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| willvdl | Hola compadres! | 10:03 |
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| ogra-classmate | heya | 10:03 |
| willvdl | pips1! | 10:03 |
| pips1 | hi | 10:03 |
| === juliux want also a classmate ;) | ||
| LaserJock | hola | 10:03 |
| juliux | hi all | 10:03 |
| pips1 | hey juliux | 10:03 |
| willvdl | Let's kick it off. Nice and quick? | 10:04 |
| pips1 | who will drive this meeting? | 10:04 |
| willvdl | T-T-T-TECH | 10:04 |
| === pips1 is pressed for time | ||
| ogra-classmate | not much from my side, most work i did the last week was classmate related | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | tech is hhhawt | 10:05 |
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| ogra-classmate | the basic squashfs image is done and runs nice | 10:05 |
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| willvdl | vagrantc, alright | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | is that going to be made available somewhere at some point? | 10:05 |
| pips1 | ogra-classmate: how about the wireless interface on the classmate? | 10:06 |
| ogra-classmate | it will still need some tweakage and i need to package the classmate-initramfs changes as well as classmate-artwork and -settings stuff | 10:06 |
| ogra-classmate | we got a new driver today, i think BenC is on it | 10:06 |
| willvdl | ogra-classmate, how do things look with their "custom" software for teacher student management? | 10:06 |
| pips1 | vagrantc: you here? or is that just your screen session? ;-) | 10:06 |
| ogra-classmate | the squashfs setup i have currently leaves about 1gig freespace for the user data | 10:07 |
| LaserJock | this is on a 2GB drive? | 10:07 |
| ogra-classmate | and about 300 for additional software you can install | 10:07 |
| ogra-classmate | yes, thats the 2gig fklashdrive | 10:07 |
| vagrantc | pips1: oh, i'm here alright | 10:07 |
| pips1 | :-) | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | hi vagrantc | 10:08 |
| === vagrantc waves | ||
| ogra-classmate | the image runs at a reasonable speed and should be good for an initial edubuntu-classmate 1.0 version | 10:08 |
| ogra-classmate | indeed all will be better if i can work from ground up on a classmate os (i.e. gutsy) | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | so are you working on a seperate os? | 10:09 |
| ogra-classmate | well, its based on edubuntu, but needs some tweaks for the classmate | 10:10 |
| LaserJock | so a respun Edubuntu squashfs image? | 10:10 |
| pips1 | ogra-classmate: wow, is that commissioned work?! | 10:10 |
| ogra-classmate | taking such tweaks and low memory usahge into account from trhe beginning of a release cycle will gain better results | 10:10 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 10:10 |
| ogra-classmate | right, its a classmate-ified edubuntu live | 10:11 |
| ogra-classmate | anyway, enough classmate for now | 10:11 |
| willvdl | classmate-ified edubuntu live (TM) | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | ogra-classmate: I put in a request to Justin to get one as I'd like to also help with some of the images | 10:11 |
| ogra-classmate | as you all can see i committing less time to ltsp | 10:11 |
| ogra-classmate | that has a reason .... | 10:11 |
| ogra-classmate | we will soon have a new employee taking care of most of the ltsp world ... i will still work on it but he will do the major stuff i guess :) | 10:12 |
| ogra-classmate | so people, meet vagrantc (if you havent already) | 10:12 |
| willvdl | when's it official? | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | oh, wow | 10:13 |
| ogra-classmate | willvdl: if paper was signed | 10:13 |
| === vagrantc is having trouble with paper | ||
| willvdl | vagrantc, and dirty bathwater? | 10:13 |
| ogra-classmate | but there is a mouth-agreement on both sides | 10:13 |
| willvdl | sweet | 10:13 |
| === vagrantc is a little slow on the draw | ||
| ogra-classmate | so meet vagrantc inofficially :P | 10:13 |
| === pips1 cheers for vagrantc | ||
| willvdl | vagrantc, ++ | 10:14 |
| ogra-classmate | vagrantc, took over the awful work of merging the ltsp branches | 10:14 |
| ogra-classmate | that deserves a huge applause | 10:14 |
| LaserJock | welcome vagrantc | 10:14 |
| vagrantc | thanks folks :) | 10:15 |
| ogra-classmate | beyond that i wouldnt knoew any actual tech news .... | 10:16 |
| ogra-classmate | hmm | 10:16 |
| ogra-classmate | LaserJock started some bugsquashing and merges :) | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | oh, the roadmap | 10:16 |
| willvdl | yeah | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | can you throw out the URL willvdl | 10:17 |
| LaserJock | I don't have it one me | 10:17 |
| willvdl | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Devel/RoadMap | 10:17 |
| willvdl | central place for planning (current) tech, infrastructure, community, doc work | 10:17 |
| LaserJock | so I just wanted a place were people and devs could see what's going on for the current release | 10:18 |
| willvdl | will be "running" commentary, i.e. not tagged per release etc. | 10:18 |
| willvdl | I'm going to work on it intensively after my conference | 10:18 |
| ogra-classmate | note that the specs neeed to get approval first | 10:18 |
| ogra-classmate | il need to got through them with RichEd during this week | 10:19 |
| yuriy | should wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuKDE be added to the roadmap? | 10:19 |
| willvdl | ogra-classmate, yeah, there's some other specs that I want to look at merging etc. as well | 10:19 |
| yuriy | (hello) | 10:19 |
| ogra-classmate | yuriy: as i understood riddel he wanted to make that metapackage | 10:19 |
| ogra-classmate | in the kubuntu seeds | 10:20 |
| willvdl | yuriy, I saw Riddell was active on it over past few days | 10:20 |
| ogra-classmate | Riddell: around ? | 10:20 |
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| ogra-classmate | hmm, the spec doesnt define clearly where the work is done | 10:21 |
| ogra-classmate | it only says an edubuntu-kde seed will be created | 10:21 |
| yuriy | where meaning by whom? | 10:22 |
| ogra-classmate | can we have a 'related projects' section ? and add it there for now | 10:23 |
| ogra-classmate | yuriy: yep | 10:23 |
| yuriy | ogra-classmate: afaiu it's in looking for volunteers status | 10:24 |
| ogra-classmate | nobody in the edubuntu team has much clue about kde apps .... it would be favourable if Riddell could maintain the basic seed | 10:24 |
| willvdl | ogra-classmate, sure. LP does track it but a mention on the wiki rpoadmap is good too | 10:24 |
| yuriy | i wanted to work on the thin-client-manager, so i've been waiting for silentk to come on. i guess i'll email him. | 10:24 |
| nixternal | hello! | 10:25 |
| ogra-classmate | i'm fine with having it in the edubuntu seed branch, but it should be maitained by some kde knowledgeable person | 10:25 |
| nixternal | finally, a meeting I can attend | 10:25 |
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| nixternal | ogra-classmate: I have some experience with KDE apps...seeing as I use nothing but KDE | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | yeah, nixternal would be good to get in on this | 10:26 |
| ogra-classmate | i'm also fine with anyone suggested by Riddell, but i want it run through him so kubuntu keeps the control here | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 10:26 |
| nixternal | I am helping Debian as well with KDE apps now as a part of the KDE-Extras team | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | anyway | 10:27 |
| ogra-classmate | right | 10:27 |
| ogra-classmate | please add it under related projects | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | we should put that spec in a "Related Projects" category and let Riddell, yuriy, nixternal take care of it ;-) | 10:27 |
| ogra-classmate | so we have it on the radar | 10:27 |
| ogra-classmate | right | 10:27 |
| willvdl | shall we move to DOCS? | 10:28 |
| ogra-classmate | so any tech related questions ? | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | well, I made some progess with edubuntu-addon-enhancements | 10:28 |
| willvdl | sorry LaserJock | 10:28 |
| ogra-classmate | cool | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | I'll have the spec done today | 10:28 |
| ogra-classmate | wow, nice | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | well, not the spec all the way implemented | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | but drafted, ready for review/approval | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | but I wanted to test stuff out first | 10:29 |
| willvdl | cool | 10:29 |
| ogra-classmate | good | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | and I was able to make the sidebar do whatever I like | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | in gnome-app-install | 10:29 |
| ogra-classmate | cool | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | so I can create a new menu just for the addon cd | 10:30 |
| ogra-classmate | mvo writes good software ;) | 10:30 |
| === willvdl hopes to bend a minibar to his will | ||
| LaserJock | and as long as we do the .desktops right it'll be easy | 10:30 |
| === mvo hugs ogra-classmate | ||
| ogra-classmate | ?me hugs mvo | 10:30 |
| ogra-classmate | heh | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | the other part of the spec is just making meta-packages to pull in the young, primary, secondary apps/themes | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | I have a variety of meta-packages I'd like to make for Main and Universe | 10:31 |
| ogra-classmate | well, our artwork package supports preseeding for the theme selection | 10:31 |
| willvdl | ogra-classmate, meaning it becomes easier for derivitives? | 10:32 |
| ogra-classmate | (at least it did in dapper, i didnt test it since ... urgh) | 10:32 |
| ogra-classmate | willvdl: meaning i have a variable i can set to default,young or plain | 10:33 |
| willvdl | on install? | 10:33 |
| ogra-classmate | which then makes the package use the rrespective default theme | 10:33 |
| ogra-classmate | on install or through dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork | 10:33 |
| willvdl | gotcha, thanks | 10:33 |
| LaserJock | ideally I'd like to be able to pop in the addon cd | 10:34 |
| ogra-classmate | i'm not sure something like preseeding is possible via .dewsktop files though | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | and select Edubuntu Young in g-a-i | 10:34 |
| willvdl | nice | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | and it'd install the edubuntu-addon-young package | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | and perhaps the postinst could set the theme to young | 10:35 |
| ogra-classmate | but if it would, you would just have to install the package three times with three different preseed values and different icons for the .desktop | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | is that plausible ogra-classmate ? | 10:35 |
| ogra-classmate | indeed it is | 10:35 |
| ogra-classmate | but note that you can only set the system default | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | that's fine I think | 10:36 |
| ogra-classmate | users that have change d the theme manually wont see the change | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | I don't want to go mucking around with user's stuff | 10:36 |
| ogra-classmate | yeah, its fine, i just wanted to point that fact out | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | I just want to make it so that if you're setting up an Edubuntu machine from scratch it's easy to set the system default theme | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | as you are getting the appropriate apps installed too | 10:37 |
| willvdl | besides, kids don't grow _that_ quickly | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | ok, I think I'm done there except for one question | 10:37 |
| ogra-classmate | yep | 10:37 |
| ogra-classmate | willvdl: well, not to fast for an ubuntu non-LTS lifecycle | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | should/could we do a metapackage/task to install the set of apps that was on edgy/dapper? | 10:38 |
| ogra-classmate | yes we should | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | I've seen a number of people in #edubuntu go "Where's the apps that were on Edubunt in {Dapper,Edgy}?" | 10:38 |
| willvdl | LaserJock, aren't they all in AddOn? | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | yes, but you can't just install something that puts them back the way they were | 10:38 |
| ogra-classmate | i want to talk with cjwatson about the livecd situation first and see if that will need any changes or new seeds first | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | is a meta-package a bad idea here | 10:39 |
| ogra-classmate | after that i'll be able to make a judgement about how we'll do it | 10:39 |
| LaserJock | I'm quickly seeing where we could end up with a lot of metapackages :/ | 10:39 |
| willvdl | maybe with one meta-package to Rule Them All | 10:39 |
| ogra-classmate | i dont think its a bad idea but we'll probably have to introduce one anyway | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | I'll have to make a wiki page with a list of metapackages I'd like to introduce | 10:40 |
| willvdl | g-a-i -> Install Everything | 10:40 |
| ogra-classmate | so i'd like to have the time to check the livecd thing first | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | so we can debate them | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | ogra-classmate: ok, yeah, that makes sense | 10:40 |
| willvdl | LaserJock, thinking we could even (in future) track meta-packages in the AppReviewEngine | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | willvdl: of course ;-) | 10:41 |
| willvdl | hmmm, might be difficult with dependencies that aren't traditional apps | 10:41 |
| willvdl | shall we move one? | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | yep | 10:42 |
| willvdl | DOCS | 10:42 |
| ogra-classmate | i'm fine | 10:42 |
| willvdl | I've come across a fair amount of documentation lately | 10:43 |
| willvdl | that I need to read still and sift through | 10:43 |
| willvdl | been swamped with other pressing tasks though, however... | 10:43 |
| willvdl | we decided in UDS to set up a wiki space for edubuntu doc collaborations again and I have some ideas | 10:44 |
| willvdl | anyone got suggestions on how to tap valuable information that is getting answered on the ML? | 10:45 |
| nixternal | willvdl: I use strigi and search for anything ending with \? | 10:45 |
| nixternal | I typically scour the *-users lists and grab all of the questions, break them down in a file...and put the most common answers in there | 10:46 |
| willvdl | into the help.u.c/userdocs? | 10:46 |
| nixternal | well I have only been compiling them locally here | 10:47 |
| willvdl | cool. was toying with the idea of an FAQ...but... | 10:47 |
| nixternal | would be nice if we could setup some type of form for people to ask questions that would format the email automagically with QUESTION: | 10:47 |
| nixternal | well, an FAQ is great to create in order to build your documentation or the content you plan on inserting into your documentation | 10:48 |
| willvdl | well, often one has to delve into the situation to find the solution | 10:48 |
| willvdl | nixternal, mind you, Launchpad has that...answers.lp.net? | 10:48 |
| nixternal | willvdl: hopefully that will be taken care of with the topic based help | 10:48 |
| nixternal | yes, answers as well | 10:48 |
| nixternal | but I have found a majority of the questions on answers are either not doc worthy, or have been covered a hundred or so times elsewhere | 10:49 |
| willvdl | well, TBH would kinda do it, but not at first. | 10:49 |
| willvdl | or are actually bug fixes :) | 10:49 |
| nixternal | lol, ya | 10:49 |
| willvdl | well, what do you think of an FAQ style wiki space? that can be tapped for info | 10:50 |
| nixternal | I have a year and a half worth of *-users..which is nice | 10:50 |
| nixternal | I thought there was an FAQ somewhere already | 10:50 |
| willvdl | on the www but not maintained. focus moved to Handbook | 10:50 |
| nixternal | TBH would curb the FAQ feeling as well, as you can list on your main page (Yelp for Edubuntu) a rotating session of FAQs if needbe as well...rotating would take some hacking of course | 10:51 |
| willvdl | I'm thinking of FAQ style on help.u.com/community just to capture info | 10:51 |
| willvdl | TBH is always going to take some serious thought and planning | 10:51 |
| nixternal | take it to the forums...I think moer people tap the forums for info than they do the wikis | 10:51 |
| nixternal | also, a lot of our users don't edit the wiki, or don't know how to edit the wiki. or don't even have an LP account | 10:52 |
| willvdl | hmmm, true but if it's in the wiki then it's easier to compile into TBH | 10:52 |
| willvdl | is also easier for guys on the ML to point to answers | 10:52 |
| nixternal | doesn't matter where it is really, as to put it into system docs, we would have to manually code the xml anyways...moin2docbook doesn't work...nothing wiki2docbook really works | 10:53 |
| willvdl | yeah, still need to write up chats at UDS but we came to that conclusion | 10:53 |
| pips1 | I think drupal does docbook export, but I haven't tested it | 10:53 |
| nixternal | it isn't pretty | 10:53 |
| nixternal | truthfully, it is easier to take plain text and manually add the tags...plus everyone who uses DocBook/XML does so with various standards | 10:54 |
| nixternal | the *2docbook typically use generic <book> and <chapter> tags, when we don't use that with topic based help | 10:55 |
| willvdl | which is why we thought wiki and then a manual scrape of info into xml at set times | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | the moint2docbook stuff I've done seemed to work ok | 10:55 |
| nixternal | also, they seem to use <section> instead of <sec*> where * = 1-5 | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | I had to do some cleanup but it wasn't bad | 10:55 |
| nixternal | which one did you use? | 10:55 |
| willvdl | given that we don't have that much contrib compared to ubuntu | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: the one that comes with the newer versions of moin | 10:56 |
| nixternal | plus we don't have moin2docbook, and the current wait to get anything implemented into our wiki is....well you would ahve a better chance of bill gates demolishing MS and becoming a FSF member | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | bah, it's not *that* bad | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | I just set up a local desktop moin | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | grabed what was on wiki.u.c | 10:56 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: I remember tryin to use for the TBH stuff...to the point the moinmoin people told me to take it elsewhere ;) | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | and did an export | 10:56 |
| nixternal | orly | 10:57 |
| nixternal | I haven't messed with desktop moin in a while...I am guessng it is time...seeing as I have been working on a tomboy port to qt4 | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | anyway, that's probably beyond this meeting | 10:57 |
| nixternal | well then..it may not be a bad idea | 10:57 |
| willvdl | well, just watching the time.. we can keep this alive on ML but just wanted to point out that we are hoping to keep handbook in XML with wiki contribs (possibly in FAQ style) and want to generate user stories of typical edubuntu configurations | 10:57 |
| nixternal | willvdl: we can fancy up someting I am sure | 10:58 |
| nixternal | OK, I am ready to give my intro to become a member | 10:58 |
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| nixternal | ;) | 10:58 |
| willvdl | :) | 10:58 |
| willvdl | anyway, I'll post some info somewhere. probably on new roadmap pages or docteam pages | 10:59 |
| nixternal | OK willvdl, if you need any help let me know | 11:00 |
| nixternal | in between losing hair trying to do dev stuff, I need to do some documentation..it is the only thing that keeps me sane | 11:00 |
| willvdl | nixternal, we'll need some help with TBH. Not too sure how to write Edubuntu specific topics on top of ubuntu | 11:00 |
| willvdl | line is not always that clear | 11:00 |
| nixternal | ya, I am sure we can make LaserJock do it :) | 11:01 |
| willvdl | awesome | 11:01 |
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| nixternal | yes | 11:01 |
| willvdl | ogra-classmate, I thought hairy palms was insane | 11:01 |
| ogra-classmate | heh | 11:01 |
| nixternal | ahhahaa | 11:01 |
| nixternal | hairy palms is far from insane..just another word for "busy" | 11:01 |
| willvdl | Quick word on websites... newz2000 will be helping with the new drupal template (saw the mail from highvoltage) | 11:02 |
| willvdl | pips1, any thoughts? | 11:03 |
| pips1 | oops, sorry, I was distracted | 11:03 |
| nixternal | let him know if he needs drupal help to give me a call...although i think he already knows I am avail to help him | 11:03 |
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| pips1 | willvdl: I also saw highvoltage's email | 11:05 |
| willvdl | yeah, they hope to have something up by next week | 11:05 |
| pips1 | seems like he's happy to do the theme tweaking for edubuntu.org... | 11:05 |
| willvdl | which will be great! | 11:05 |
| pips1 | yep | 11:06 |
| willvdl | Artwork folks! some nice banners for the website? MAybe revolving pics like one of the locos... | 11:06 |
| willvdl | it's going ot be great | 11:06 |
| pips1 | now, about the community site: I need some meaty content from the summit! | 11:06 |
| willvdl | nixternal, you did the chi.ubuntu loco page? | 11:06 |
| nixternal | yes | 11:07 |
| willvdl | nice example of maintaining consistency | 11:07 |
| willvdl | inspired us to do same (and kubuntu I think) | 11:07 |
| pips1 | willvdl: what do you think: I would like to get the people who attended the education summit, to be our contributers to the beta site... | 11:08 |
| pips1 | david has already posted a second blog post, but we need more participants ! | 11:08 |
| nixternal | that theme was a bare to recreate though to mimic | 11:08 |
| pips1 | I'm also glad that the ICT school coordinator has joined... | 11:08 |
| willvdl | pips1, I think we need to actually put some info up somewhere to tell people what it is... | 11:08 |
| willvdl | pips1, maybe use some nice blogrolls from similar sites? | 11:09 |
| pips1 | willvdl: well, let's get some quality content on the site, and *then* announce the site somewhere | 11:09 |
| willvdl | perhaps an aggregater would fill info in in no time | 11:09 |
| pips1 | willvdl: do you know if RichEd has received slides from the talks? that would be greast content to have... | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | pips1: I think you just need to advertise and clearly explain the purpose and what you want | 11:10 |
| willvdl | would still be good to have a planning page so that people know what to contrib | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | I have an account on there (I think) but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be doing with it | 11:10 |
| pips1 | LaserJock: i see | 11:10 |
| pips1 | ok, I'll do a "what to contribute" page | 11:11 |
| willvdl | shweet | 11:11 |
| willvdl | folks are a bit confused between the beta site and the www.e.org site | 11:11 |
| pips1 | since I'm travelling so much, I didn't even have time to upload my own images of the presentations, and I wanted to write some summaries of the presentations, about the spanish derivitives, about classmate, etc. | 11:12 |
| willvdl | same here | 11:12 |
| pips1 | yeah | 11:12 |
| willvdl | while we're on the subject: the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuApplicationReview spec is coming along | 11:13 |
| willvdl | anyone got thoughts on "how" we shoud do it? | 11:13 |
| willvdl | i.e. drupal module vs. mysql with python cgi | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | well, now that ogra-classmate free ... ;-) | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | *is free | 11:14 |
| pips1 | think about it this way: everything that would go onto 'ubuntu.com' should go on 'edubuntu.com', everything that is community-driven (i.e. discussions / q&a ) should go on the new beta site... | 11:14 |
| willvdl | pips1, saw that mail from Jim Hutchinson...perhaps OSS lesson plans etc could go there? | 11:15 |
| ogra-classmate | LaserJock: i am ? | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | pips1: hmm, I'm a little unclear on that | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | ogra-classmate: hehe | 11:15 |
| === ogra-classmate didnt know | ||
| ogra-classmate | :) | 11:15 |
| ogra-classmate | the spec looks really good to me | 11:16 |
| willvdl | edubuntu.org stuff *is* our community | 11:16 |
| pips1 | so the beta site could be an easily accessible site for educators, integrating everything education-relevant that in the "normal" ubuntu universe is spread out over "planet.u.c", ubuntuforums, etc. | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | pips1: it would seem to me that edubuntu.org would have everything that is edubuntu-specific and the beta site would be for stuff that's more education-specific | 11:16 |
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| willvdl | ogra-classmate, I got tied up in the details, ask LaserJock :) but I jsut need to plan a timed release scope | 11:16 |
| ogra-classmate | willvdl: i think our server admins would be happier to only main tain one DB | 11:17 |
| ogra-classmate | that would be postgresql | 11:17 |
| willvdl | ogra-classmate, drupal uses mysql already | 11:17 |
| ogra-classmate | oh,ok | 11:17 |
| willvdl | or postgresql, don't care | 11:17 |
| ogra-classmate | ignore me then :) | 11:17 |
| willvdl | ogra-classmate, it is a very valid concern... | 11:17 |
| pips1 | LaserJock: yes, well spotted. | 11:18 |
| willvdl | you're right that we need to choose a DB that can easily be moved if need be | 11:18 |
| ogra-classmate | willvdl: only for the person writing the app :) | 11:18 |
| pips1 | Laserjock: but the idea is that the beta site will be a "brainstorming" pool for anything related to education, open source and open content... and anything that crops up that is highly relevant / specific to edubuntu, we (manually) copy over to edubuntu.org. Makes sense? | 11:19 |
| willvdl | ogra-classmate, will chat quick afterwards about it if OK | 11:19 |
| ogra-classmate | sure | 11:19 |
| willvdl | pips1, as long as edubuntu and edubuntu education stuff is clearly in our space, we don't want to dilute our community | 11:21 |
| pips1 | LaserJock: think of it as edubuntu.org = consolidated information. beta = very dynamic information...? | 11:21 |
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| LaserJock | pips1: but what happens to dynamic information that is edubuntu-specific? | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | is it expected to be on the beta site? | 11:22 |
| pips1 | well, yes, at least now, that we want to get the dynamic beta site going! | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | so people will have to go to 2 different site to get info on Edubuntu? | 11:23 |
| willvdl | like app selection? I know Richard wants it on the "beta" site and can see the logic, but I'm not sure if we can logically do it | 11:23 |
| pips1 | willvdl: noted | 11:23 |
| willvdl | sorry, don't want to sound like a rant :) just think we should make the whole philosophy very clear somewhere | 11:23 |
| LaserJock | edubuntu.org vs ubuntueducation.com doesn't really indicate that there is a difference in consolidation, only difference in topic | 11:24 |
| pips1 | LaserJock: well, yes, we will reference both sites from each other... | 11:24 |
| LaserJock | hehe, good luck with that ;-) | 11:24 |
| pips1 | LaserJock: expand | 11:25 |
| LaserJock | you're doing twice as much work | 11:25 |
| LaserJock | it will soon become outdated | 11:25 |
| LaserJock | unless you really keep track of it | 11:25 |
| LaserJock | which we don't exactly have a great track-record of as a community (*buntu in general) | 11:25 |
| pips1 | LaserJock: well, I intend to focus on the community (site)... the "product" (site) needs some cleaning up (theme + content tagged for "dapper" and "latest"), but it won't be the focus of the activity... | 11:27 |
| willvdl | oh, pips1: I'm going to www.elearning-africa.com next week and will be sure to collect as much info/links as possible | 11:27 |
| LaserJock | pips1: but Edubuntu isn't just a product, you have to remember that | 11:28 |
| pips1 | LaserJock: noted | 11:28 |
| pips1 | keep reminding me though :-) | 11:28 |
| LaserJock | of course ;-) | 11:28 |
| pips1 | so, to wrap things up for now. | 11:29 |
| LaserJock | just let us know what the plans for the beta site are and what you want us to do with it | 11:29 |
| pips1 | highvoltage: will modify matt's theme for edubuntu.org | 11:29 |
| willvdl | sweet | 11:29 |
| pips1 | I will blog about the education summit on the beta site | 11:30 |
| pips1 | plus add that podcast from the school visit... | 11:31 |
| ogra-classmate | what about all the podcasts and the movies highvoltage made ? | 11:31 |
| willvdl | pips1, let's consider something with blogrolls/aggregators... could work out well | 11:31 |
| ogra-classmate | ah :) | 11:31 |
| willvdl | ogra-classmate, we should post on ubuntu-videos | 11:31 |
| pips1 | sure, I'm up for aggregating blog | 11:31 |
| ogra-classmate | ah, right | 11:31 |
| willvdl | paul sladen is still editing the UDS vids | 11:31 |
| ogra-classmate | damned and i missed my interview with him | 11:32 |
| willvdl | we can do it online. we have the internet :) | 11:32 |
| pips1 | paul sladen is in austria and did a surprise visit in switzerland last monday :-) | 11:32 |
| pips1 | he crashed a my place before catching the first train from zurich yesterday morning. | 11:33 |
| willvdl | Oh, and from a community/web/tech angle: I've got a cunning plan for Byte-Sized Tasks | 11:33 |
| willvdl | pips1, he' s an interesting dude | 11:33 |
| pips1 | heh | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | oh? do tell | 11:33 |
| pips1 | yep | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | about bite-size | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | I know about sladen ;-) | 11:33 |
| ogra-classmate | heh | 11:34 |
| willvdl | LaserJock, got some ideas on categorising them and a nested submission queue which *should* work on a wiki | 11:34 |
| willvdl | maybe a byte-sized-task-engine for gutsy(+) | 11:34 |
| willvdl | :) | 11:35 |
| willvdl | but I have no time next week, so I hope to have a cunning plan described by Friday | 11:35 |
| pips1 | willvdl: question: do you know if matt's drupal theme works for drupal 5.1? or is it a 4.7 theme? | 11:36 |
| willvdl | I'm not sure. nixternal? ^^^ | 11:36 |
| willvdl | I think 4.7 but might not be a "train-smash" to port | 11:36 |
| nixternal | 5.1 | 11:36 |
| willvdl | ah | 11:37 |
| nixternal | i.e. => http://chi.ubuntu-us.org | 11:37 |
| pips1 | I don't mind that highvoltage is doing the theme modification - highvoltage is really good that that - but I would really like to scratch the drupal 4.7 install that is currently running edubuntu.org, and do a clean and proper re-install of drupal 5.1... there isn't much content to migrate, but we would benefit from a proper install... | 11:38 |
| willvdl | somebody made a Matt Nuzum theme site with revolving pics... looked good | 11:38 |
| willvdl | pips1 ++ | 11:38 |
| nixternal | I am working on a revolving pics header now | 11:38 |
| willvdl | we need an overhaul | 11:38 |
| ogra-classmate | nixternal: nice ! | 11:38 |
| nixternal | thanks | 11:38 |
| LaserJock | drupal 5.1 is really nice | 11:39 |
| willvdl | folks, there is a UDS spec out somewhere for this consistent theme idea... | 11:39 |
| nixternal | definitely much cleaner code I will admit | 11:39 |
| pips1 | willvdl: yes, we really do. there is no https: set up, which is unsafe. also, I think the mail sending never worked, etc, etc. | 11:39 |
| willvdl | bummed if I can find it | 11:39 |
| nixternal | they can enable the mail sending on the server...I had to get it done on the chi.ubuntu one | 11:39 |
| pips1 | to cut it short: we need a fresh install, either matt doing it, or me doing it and documenting it cleanly for matt! | 11:39 |
| willvdl | pips1, was thinking more in terms of info and links | 11:39 |
| pips1 | willvdl: well, we can clean up the content in the process, but the install is a bit botched if you ask me | 11:40 |
| willvdl | is it possible to do in bzr? under the edubuntu-website team or some project? that way we can track using usability bugs like they do with ubuntu.com | 11:40 |
| nixternal | yup..at least we do it with kubuntu-website | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | how do you mean bzr? | 11:41 |
| pips1 | sure, that would be even better (but then I'd need to dive into using bzr, phew) ;-) | 11:41 |
| nixternal | just store it though, make the edits there, and then upload as needed to the website server | 11:41 |
| nixternal | or possibly setup a cron job on the webserver to pull from the bzr dir | 11:41 |
| pips1 | nixternal: noted | 11:41 |
| willvdl | doesn't have to be bzr but at least hosted off a LP product with a team to catch bug assignments | 11:42 |
| pips1 | nixternal: are talking about the theme only? | 11:42 |
| nixternal | pips1: you would have to..because sites/ wouldn't be good on bzr | 11:42 |
| willvdl | pips1, whole site | 11:42 |
| willvdl | oh | 11:42 |
| willvdl | :) | 11:42 |
| nixternal | yes, sites/* holds the usernames, passwords, and db names | 11:43 |
| nixternal | db username and password that is | 11:43 |
| willvdl | imagine the app-review-engine stored in postgresql... synced to bzr | 11:43 |
| pips1 | nixternal: we could do sites/ if we use a separate directory path for the content files... | 11:43 |
| nixternal | although, you could still put the entire site up there, and only sync (using cron if possible) the themes or other subdirectories that you would change | 11:43 |
| pips1 | ^^ could do sites/ in bzr | 11:44 |
| nixternal | true | 11:44 |
| willvdl | and encrypted sensitive stuff? | 11:44 |
| pips1 | willvdl: huh? | 11:44 |
| nixternal | sites/ is the only thing that contains sensative stuff | 11:44 |
| willvdl | encrypt rather | 11:45 |
| willvdl | just a thought | 11:45 |
| LaserJock | ok, sounds like were' getting inot implementation details again | 11:45 |
| pips1 | yep | 11:45 |
| LaserJock | are we done with the meeting stuff? | 11:45 |
| willvdl | I'm done | 11:45 |
| LaserJock | we almost made 2hrs | 11:45 |
| willvdl | This has been a most fruitful meeting! | 11:45 |
| LaserJock | for sure | 11:45 |
| willvdl | minutes are done. | 11:45 |
| pips1 | they are?! | 11:45 |
| willvdl | does anyone actually read them? | 11:45 |
| LaserJock | let's continue drupal discussion in #edubuntu and/or edubuntu-devel | 11:45 |
| LaserJock | sure | 11:46 |
| willvdl | not posted yet | 11:46 |
| willvdl | sweet | 11:46 |
| LaserJock | overall I'd like to encourage everybody to use the edubuntu-devel mailing list | 11:46 |
| LaserJock | it makes things easier to track | 11:46 |
| LaserJock | more transparent | 11:46 |
| LaserJock | and helps get people involved | 11:46 |
| pips1 | there *is* a edubuntu-devel? | 11:46 |
| pips1 | LaserJock: you are joking | 11:46 |
| pips1 | dudu | 11:47 |
| pips1 | dude | 11:47 |
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| willvdl | dudu | 11:47 |
| pips1 | ah, you're talking about the mailing lists | 11:47 |
| === willvdl points to sarcasm in the dictionary | ||
| pips1 | I thought you're talking about irc | 11:47 |
| === willvdl stops pointing to sarcasm in the dictionary :) | ||
| LaserJock | no, that's why I said "edubuntu-devel mailing list" | 11:48 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 11:48 |
| willvdl | ok. reverting to #edu | 11:48 |
| willvdl | ciao | 11:48 |
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| pips1 | ciao | 11:49 |
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| ogra-classmate | ciao | 11:52 |
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