[12:18] <willvdl> well, we want to lower the bariier for folks to vet apps
[12:18] <willvdl> but make sure that devs can maintain the queues in the background
[12:18] <pips1> HedgeMage: the sign-on thing is high priority...
[12:18] <ogra-classmate> i'll rather say goodnight now ..... ciao
[12:18] <HedgeMage> Either it's moot or it's high priority...
[12:18] <HedgeMage> nn ogra-classmate
[12:18] <willvdl> pips1, why high?
[12:19] <pips1> sorry, *not* high priority
[12:19] <pips1> sorry
[12:19] <willvdl> :)
[12:19] <pips1> HedgeMage: explain what you mean by everything you want already exists as drupal contrib modules
[12:20] <willvdl> HedgeMage, our main concern is scalability and leveraging biggest developer pool
[12:21] <pips1> willvdl: by scalability, I suppose you mean, you want the performance of the application database to scale well?
[12:21] <HedgeMage> pips1: If I'm understanding what you want correctly, someone could submit a node with an application description, link to the app home page, possibly an attached file (package), and it should be rated and reviewed by many people, then passed on for review by someone of a special role, correct?
[12:21] <willvdl> pips1, no, I mean if we move to 6.0 or if we move parts of our webforms to the ubuntu-education site... flexibility more like
[12:22] <willvdl> HedgeMage, yes. It would be rated etc.
[12:22] <pips1> well, if it is done as a drupal module, we could easily use it at both edubuntu.org and ubuntu-education
[12:23] <willvdl> HedgeMage, the review process would tag it as: in Main? in Universe? need packaging? with reasons as to why it's held up or waiting etc.
[12:24] <HedgeMage> willvdl: that's easy to add, it's just a CCK taxonomy form field (you could use a standard CCK field, but making it a taxonomy thing improves performance and allows more flexible searching/viewing by status)
[12:24] <willvdl> HedgeMage, the more I think on it, it could be really easy in drupal
[12:24] <willvdl> I like the taxonomy idea
[12:24] <LaserJock> but in the end how easy would it be to get the data *out* of drupal?
[12:25] <LaserJock> can we just do a DB dump?
[12:25] <willvdl> matt nuzum reckons no LP authentication module yet, but openid should be easy and LP might get there
[12:25] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: yep
[12:25] <willvdl> LaserJock, yep
[12:25] <willvdl> custom commandline query if you want
[12:25] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: basically to get everything you'd need two things: a DB dump and a copy of the files/ dir where the uploaded files are kept
[12:25] <willvdl> HedgeMage, it uses either postgres or mysql right? there is a choice?
[12:25] <pips1> HedgeMage: yes, I understand the drupal modules you are suggesting, but we are talking about validation ... i.e. we want to query dynamically if debian packages for a certain (edu) application exist already before a community member creates a new entry in the app db...
[12:26] <HedgeMage> willvdl: mysql support gets a little more attention than Postgres, but postgres is still supported.
[12:26] <willvdl> HedgeMage, the files would stay in archive.ubuntu.com or packages.u.c or whereever
[12:26] <willvdl> we would only link meta-data and our own commenting/vetting etc.
[12:26] <HedgeMage> willvdl: ahh, so we're just linking to them?
[12:26] <willvdl> yip
[12:26] <willvdl> don't want to reinvent LP :)
[12:27] <HedgeMage> In that case, just slap together a custom CCK type for it -- I'd have to code a submodule for the linking to a package field interface to make it more non-coder friendly, but that's certainly do-able
[12:27] <HedgeMage> (It'd probably be a weekend project, not horribly complicated)
[12:27] <HedgeMage> What kind of API does LP provide for pulling that sort of information?
[12:28] <willvdl> dunno.
[12:28] <willvdl> but we wouldn't have to link to LP I don't think
[12:28] <HedgeMage> oh, just put in a link to the LP page?
[12:28] <willvdl> except maybe to get the seed file per release
[12:29] <willvdl> the only way to check if a package is on a CD is to query the seed
[12:30] <pips1> guys.. I need to go.. HedgeMage, I'm glad you're pitching in with this... but please, before you jump to any solutions, do read the specification in depth first, and we should elaborate the spec and the implementation bits a bit further before coming to any conclusions / hackfests :-)
[12:30] <HedgeMage> pips1: definitely... I don't have time for a hackfest for a couple of weeks anyway
[12:30] <willvdl> HedgeMage, meta-data like age applicability, localisation concerns etc. are not in LP
[12:30] <willvdl> they have to go in by hand
[12:30] <HedgeMage> okay
[12:30] <HedgeMage> I have to go too
[12:30] <willvdl> pips1, nighty. I will wrk on the spec more tomorrow
[12:30] <willvdl> HedgeMage, thanks a million
[12:31] <pips1> thanks guys.
[12:31] <willvdl> sounds like we have a solution. I'll put things down more clearly on the spec wiki page asap
[12:31] <HedgeMage> willvdl, pips1 -- someone please email me a reminder if you don't hear back from me by next week
[12:31] <pips1> and just to let you know - I'm travelling from tomorrow until monday, so unfortunately, I'll only be able to pick up the ball on tuesday earliest
[12:31] <HedgeMage> I have a lot on my plate right now and don't want to let this slip :)
[12:32] <willvdl> I'm traveling from Sunday to Thursday
[12:32] <willvdl> but will flesh out the spec first
[12:32] <pips1> uh uh, too much travelling all around
[12:32] <willvdl> HedgeMage, we envision this process/spec becoming a core part of app review in general
[12:33] <HedgeMage> cool :)
[12:33] <willvdl> plus, we need a new drupal anyway :)
[12:33] <pips1> willvdl: will you compile our discussion bits from above into the spec (pros/cons, drupal possiblities that HedgeMage mentioned - they are all valid)
[12:33] <willvdl> yeah, logging this call :)
[12:33] <HedgeMage> rocking :)
[12:35] <pips1> use this info in particular HedgeMage: "HedgeMage would use core Drupal + CCK (for a special node to make the form more intuitive) + upload (optional core module) for uploading the file + either 5star, review, or another voteapi module depending on the style of voting you want, then if you want to get really fancy add workflow and event so that when the reviews/votes hit a certain threshold, moderators/decision-makers are alerted"
[12:35] <pips1> ^^^ that a good summary of what would be needed drupal wise
[12:35] <willvdl> right, it's ANOTHER very late night for me :)
[12:35] <willvdl> see you guys tomorrow
[12:36] <HedgeMage> ttyl
[12:36] <pips1> however, building "workflow" in will need a bit more effort that a weekend hackfest ;-)
[12:36] <pips1> see you next week
[12:36] <willvdl> pips1, we stage the development.
[12:37] <willvdl> bits at a time
[12:37] <pips1> righty
[12:37] <willvdl> ciao
[12:37] <pips1> cu!
[12:39] <ajmitch> hello Burgwork
[12:39] <Burgwork> hey ajmitch
[12:41] <HedgeMage> pips1: I meant that particular feature would be a weekend hackfest :P
[02:44] <Solifugus> If I want to install in a lab for diskless workstations, what version of edubuntu do I need?  edubuntu-server?
[02:45] <Burgundavia> classroom server
[02:46] <Burgundavia> hey HedgeMage
[02:46] <Solifugus> I don't see one called classroom server... just desktop, server, and server addons
[02:46] <Burgundavia> where are you looking?
[02:46] <Solifugus> http://mirrors.cat.pdx.edu/ubuntu-iso/edubuntu/feisty/
[02:47] <Solifugus> Also... is edubuntu gnome only?  I'd really strongly prefer kde
[02:47] <Burgundavia> you can install kde
[02:47] <Burgundavia> but the default is gnome
[02:47] <Solifugus> ok.. fine then..
[02:47] <Burgundavia> in this case, you need the server cd
[02:47] <Solifugus> I need capabilities that gnome doesn't have. like kio slaves
[02:47] <Burgundavia> why are not downloading from edubuntu.org?
[02:48] <HedgeMage> hi Burgundavia
[02:48] <Solifugus> Burgundavia: I just googled for "edubuntu downloads"
[02:48] <Burgundavia> right
[02:49] <Burgundavia> the first hit I get in edubuntu.org/download
[02:50] <Solifugus> Burgundavia: but doesn't that eventually lead to mirrors.. like the one i picked.
[02:50] <Burgundavia> yes, but is explains what each download is
[02:51] <Solifugus> Burgundavia: yep.. that's true..
[06:34] <encompass> Amaranth: are you the guy that made the Amaranth theme?
[08:25] <LaserJock> morning highvoltage
[08:49] <highvoltage> morning LaserJock
[03:22] <mcsd> does anyone know if the restricted drivers are loaded by default in fiesty?
[03:23] <`6og> i would expect them to be
[03:26] <mcsd> hmmm lspci shows: 01:00.0 VGA comapatible controller: ATI TECH INC RV380 [Radeon X600 (PCIE)
[03:26] <mcsd> 01:00.1 Display Controller: ATI Tech I
[03:27] <mcsd> 01:00.1 Display Controller: ATI Tech Inc RV380 [Radeon X600
[03:27] <`6og> does `lsmod |grep ati` or `lsmod |grep fgl` return anything?
[03:27] <mcsd> but my resolution only goes up to 1024 x 768
[03:28] <`6og> sigh. i have to stop siwtching gui/sli irc clients
[03:28] <mcsd> lsmod |grep ati: cpufreq_conservative      8200   0
[03:28] <`6og> i was /trying/ to say: you probalby only need to reconfigure xorg
[03:31] <mcsd> ...but then everytime I reboot the live cd it will revert back to the incorrect xorg.conf
[03:32] <mcsd> is there a way to include the correct xorg.conf into a live cd?
[03:32] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:32] <`6og> um. there was some work done on that, but i dont know anything about it
[03:32] <`6og> hi sbalneav
[03:33] <`6og> how you going mate?
[03:33] <sbalneav> Doing ok
[03:56] <ha> Do you know somebody a programm for nuclear chart like kalzium for periodic table?
[03:56] <ha> (for isotop table)
[05:20] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: did you see my sync request bug for gcompris?
[05:20] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: all it needs is an ACK from you and for you to subscribe ubuntu-archive
[05:20] <ogra-classmate> nope, i have 110unread bugmails in my bugfolder atm let me look it up
[05:22] <ogra-classmate> there you got your ACK :)
[05:23] <ogra-classmate> the deps are right as well ?
[05:23] <ogra-classmate> (python version)
[05:23] <LaserJock> I'm pretty sure
[05:23] <ogra-classmate> good
[05:23] <LaserJock> for 2.5 it was just a rebuild
[05:24] <ogra-classmate> right
[05:24] <LaserJock> I had StevenK build it on amd64 for me
[05:24] <LaserJock> just to make sure the 64bit python problem was fixed
[05:24] <ogra-classmate> great
[05:24] <LaserJock> and I installed it and everything seemed ok
[05:24] <ogra-classmate> worst case ping me for such stuff
[05:24] <ogra-classmate> i have an qamd64 (even no amd64 os atm)
[05:25] <LaserJock> ah
[05:27] <ogra-classmate> LaserJock: any clue what bug 115704 might be about ??
[05:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115704 in gcompris "use gcompris on logout" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115704
[05:27] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: not yeat
[05:27] <ogra-classmate> heh
[05:27] <LaserJock> when i was doing the sync I noticed that there were 24 gcompris bugs!
[05:27] <ogra-classmate> its a *bit* sparse
[05:28] <LaserJock> I'm going to try to go through those and see what can be closed, etc.
[05:28] <ogra-classmate> there should be a bunch that is just leftover paperwork
[05:28] <ogra-classmate> i.e. fixed upstream
[05:28] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:31] <ogra-classmate> `anyway, i have to go mowing now ... else i"ll have a bad evening .... grass is starting to grow up to the window sill at points
[05:31] <ogra-classmate> and i'm overdue
[07:40] <tristan_> can anyone tell me if sound is supported at the edubuntu thin clients?
[07:40] <yuriy> it is
[07:40] <tristan_> ok
[07:41] <tristan_> how do those thin client work? just with a xserver client on a remote server or what?
[07:41] <tristan_> didn't read the manual and stuff.. I know ;p
[07:41] <LaserJock> basically
[07:42] <tristan_> ok
[07:42] <LaserJock> the thin client gets a basic environment, kernel, X
[07:42] <LaserJock> then sets up an ssh connection back to the server
[07:42] <tristan_> so it's actually the same as a normal setup?
[07:43] <LaserJock> in what way?
[07:43] <LaserJock> I mean, what the client sees should be normal
[07:43] <tristan_> well, like I installed with the debian netinstall in the past
[07:43] <tristan_> hmmz
[07:43] <LaserJock> but there's a lot of complications
[07:43] <LaserJock> sound is one of them
[07:43] <LaserJock> devices on the client is another
[07:43] <ogra-classmate> complications ?
[07:44] <LaserJock> well, it's not like doing it on a normal machine
[07:44] <LaserJock> you had to build that stuff in
[07:44] <ogra-classmate> indeed
[07:44] <tristan_> hmmz... not just installing Linux with a x-client?
[07:45] <ogra-classmate> but it functions like normal
[07:45] <LaserJock> yes
[07:45] <ogra-classmate> tristan_: not completely, but basically :)
[07:45] <LaserJock> I'm just saying it's a bit more complicated than doing X forwarding
[07:45] <ogra-classmate> the chroot we use is tweaked in many ways from a normal basic linux system
[07:46] <ogra-classmate> but the base is a mini ubuntu
[07:47] <tristan_> ok
[07:47] <tristan_> :)
[07:47] <LaserJock> tristan_: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-theory.html might be a good read
[08:36] <t94xr> http://digg.com/software/Sue_me_first_Microsoft
[11:21] <ogra> LaserJock, http://librarian.launchpad.net/7824279/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.gcompris_8.3.1-3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz :(
[11:26] <LaserJock> what?!?
[11:26] <LaserJock> configure: error: Couldn't find gnuchess
[11:26] <ogra> well, i suspect its the one after that
[11:27] <ogra> ./configure: line 27762: exit: please: numeric argument required
[11:27] <ogra> ./configure: line 27762: exit: please: numeric argument required
[11:28] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah
[11:28] <LaserJock> well darn it, I built it on an updated i386 gutsy pbuilder
[11:28] <ogra> i'll look into it on the weekend
[11:28] <LaserJock> I wonder if it's a buildd problem
[11:28] <LaserJock> I don't see why it would, but I know there have been issues
[11:36] <LaserJock> ogra: what about tuxpaint? think you can get that uploaded before the weekend?
[11:37] <ogra> nope, next week is my big merge and spec review week
[11:37] <ogra> i'm unlikely to find time before
[11:39] <ogra> the gcompris error goes over all arches
[11:39] <LaserJock> blah
[11:39] <LaserJock> ok, I'll try to look at it as well
[11:40] <LaserJock> I don't understand why it worked in my pbuilder though
[11:40] <ogra-classmate> well, worst case we just add gnuchess to the build deps
[11:40] <ogra-classmate> might make sense anyway
[11:42] <LaserJock> hmm, that line 27762 in ./configure is:
[11:42] <LaserJock>   { (exit please install the gnuchess package version 5 or above); exit please install the gnuchess package version 5 or above; }; }
[11:42] <ogra-classmate> hmm
[11:43] <ogra-classmate> how does debian handle that then if its not a build-dep
[11:44] <ogra-classmate> hmm, there is a build-dep
[11:45] <LaserJock> so did the buildd just not find gnuchess?
[11:45] <ogra-classmate> URHG
[11:45] <ogra-classmate> there is no gnuchess anymore
[11:46] <LaserJock> in the log I see: Note, selecting gnome-games instead of gnuchess
[11:46] <ogra-classmate> teacher@edubuntu:~$ apt-cache show gnome-games|grep Replaces
[11:46] <ogra-classmate> Replaces: gnuchess, gnome-sudoku
[11:46] <LaserJock> well heck
[11:46] <ogra-classmate> hmm
[11:47] <LaserJock> gnuchess is old
[11:47] <LaserJock> but it's still in unstable it seems
[11:47] <ogra-classmate> well, i"ll talk to seb tomorrow if he"s around again
[11:48] <ogra-classmate> there should be a transition plan
[11:49] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah
[11:49] <LaserJock> I'll have to take a look at my pbuilder
[11:49] <LaserJock> it should have picked that up I think
[11:50] <ogra-classmate> zeah
[11:50] <ogra-classmate> s/z/y
[11:50] <LaserJock> well, I'm sorry oliver
[11:50] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:50] <ogra-classmate> not your fault :)
[11:50] <LaserJock> it also built on Stevenk's gutsy amd64 pbuilder
[11:50] <LaserJock> so 2 gutsy pbuilders built it fine
[11:51] <ogra-classmate> its probably gone since the most recent gnome/games upload
[11:52] <LaserJock> the last gnome-games was built on the 16th
[11:52] <ogra-classmate> hmm
[11:53] <LaserJock> anyway, I think seb128 or dholbach should know more about it
[11:53] <LaserJock> it looks to me to be a gnuchess -> gnome-games transition issue
[11:54] <ogra-classmate> yeah
[11:54] <ogra-classmate> its very likely
[12:17] <SimonAnibal> Ouch!!! Anyone familiar with APT enough to know what one's supposed to do when dpkg has a parse error in /var/lib/dpkg/available, and when you go check out the line it references you realize from there to the end of the file is the slightest bit garbled and corrupt?
[12:19] <SimonAnibal> I have no idea what could have done this...