[12:24] <meven_> one hundred dollars question How can i release the process after execution using kind of int result = proc.start( KProcess::Block );
[12:26] <meven_> do i have to connect le kprocess to a slot or is there another way ?
[12:35] <meven_> i am not lucky
[01:44] <Hobbsee> morning all
[01:45] <RadiantFire> good morning
[01:46] <jjesse> :)
[01:46] <jjesse> good evening
[01:47] <Hobbsee> hiya
[01:48] <Hobbsee> darn, kdeedu ftbfs due to other merges
[01:48] <jjesse> Hobbsee: if i want to be running the bleeding edge version of debian is that unstable or testing?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> testing, i believe
[01:49] <Hobbsee> although things seem to get uploaded to unstable a lot, and nto to testing
[01:49] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure
[01:49] <rbrunhuber_> jjesse: the bleeding edge is unstable (aka sid)
[01:50] <jjesse> rbrunhuber_: thanks
[01:52] <rbrunhuber_> jjesse: but it can be really unstable so you may want to have a look on sidux. which is sid but a bit "moderated"
[01:54] <jjesse> rbrunhuber_: if i'm trying to work on dcoumenting both keep and adept which should i use?
[01:56] <rbrunhuber_> jjesse: you should use debian unstable then. Because debian is upstream for a lot of packages and not sidux (which is independent of debian)
[01:56] <jjesse> rbrunhuber_: thanks thats what i thought, but wanted to make sure
[01:57] <rbrunhuber_> jjesse: It's dangerous though because maybe ubuntu is upstream for debian on your packages. So you have to be careful.
[01:57] <jjesse> rbrunhuber_: its just a vm for both gutsy and debian unstable
[01:57] <jjesse> so if it crashes or bombs out i can just revert the snapshot
[01:58] <rbrunhuber_> jjesse: I did not mean dangerous as crashing but be careful who is upstream to whom the ubuntu packages may come from debian or kde directly.
[01:58] <jjesse> rbrunhuber_: thanks i will be
[01:59] <rbrunhuber_> jjesse: This mean if you document the latest and greatest feature in debian this may not land in ubuntu and the other way round.
[01:59] <jjesse> rbrunhuber_: i understand
[02:00] <jjesse> for adept i have to document different for debian and ubuntu because they have moved very far apart
[02:00] <rbrunhuber_> jjesse: but good luck on your docu writing. Thats always very appreciated.
[02:00] <jjesse> rbrunhuber_: thanks
[02:40] <jjesse> i hate it when i'm working in a vm and it always repeat key strokes :(
[05:16] <Hobbsee> http://www.ereslibre.es/?p=47 is seriously cool.
[05:16] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: ^
[05:19] <Jucato> radial menu! kool! :)
[05:19] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:19] <Jucato> although they're too far from the center, imho
[05:20] <Jucato> unless hovering over a pie-section is the same as clicking/hovering over the icon itself
[05:22] <Hobbsee> it's here for me
[05:22] <Jucato> ah there...
[05:22] <Jucato> I set it to fetch every hour only...
[05:23] <Jucato> I bet the kcontrol kultists will be saying something :)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:25] <Hobbsee> yeah - shiny :)
[06:05] <ajmitch> go for it
[06:37] <Hobbsee> iirc that was done with kwifimanager
[06:51] <nixternal> http://www.ereslibre.es/?p=47
[06:51] <nixternal> that is pretty sharp actually
[09:35] <mhb> good morning
[09:38] <Jucato> moin mhb
[09:43] <mhb> Jucato: what's up in here? Any important&cool stuff I missed? :o)
[09:43] <Jucato> um.. none that I know of :)
[09:54] <Tonio_> hey
[09:54] <Tonio_> fdoving: your patch works nicelly
[09:54] <Tonio_> fdoving: I didn't notice any regression, so I'll probably include it tomorrow
[09:58] <fdoving> Tonio_: great. as i explained in the mail, it's an issue when refreshing.
[09:59] <fdoving> and htis is a workaround only.
[09:59] <fdoving> grrr.. dead dsl and unstable gprs. :|
[10:00] <Tonio_> I don't expect a real bug fixing on kde3 now....
[10:00] <Tonio_> fdoving: even if we have to report to kde
[10:01] <Tonio_> fdoving: btw the workarround is fine
[10:01] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'll be on my contrib day tomorrow, so I'll push the patch in
[10:01] <Tonio_> fdoving: and hopefully, as soon as I get my internet connection back at home (in 2 weeks) I'll be able to contribute every evening
[10:02] <Tonio_> just sucks that it takes so long to get someone to fix my internet connection issue.....
[10:02] <Tonio_> fdoving: your changes will be in soon :)
[10:02] <Tonio_> and once again thanks for the help
[10:02] <fdoving> ok. i think i'll have to go make some calls, my dsl is dead too. died some time this morning.
[10:02] <fdoving> you're welcome :)
[10:03] <fdoving> bye.
[11:01] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[11:03] <Riddell> hi viviersf
[11:04] <Riddell> how's impi?
[11:04] <viviersf> Riddell, just wanted to find out, what is the default kde for gutsy
[11:04] <viviersf> Riddell, its doing well :)
[11:04] <viviersf> 3.5 or 4 ?
[11:04] <Riddell> 3.5.7 (or possibly 3.5.8 if it exists)
[11:04] <Riddell> kde 4 won't be released until after gutsy
[11:04] <Riddell> so we'll put out an unsupported remastered CD when that happens
[11:05] <viviersf> cool
[11:05] <Riddell> gutsy+1 will also be KDE 3 by default since it's LTS
[11:05] <viviersf> will kubuntu kde patches be applied to the feisty branch on your site
[11:05] <Riddell> how do you mean?
[11:05] <viviersf> youve got backports for kde 3.5.7 for feisty
[11:05] <Riddell> yep
[11:06] <viviersf> does gusty patches get applied to those
[11:06] <Riddell> no
[11:06] <viviersf> k
[11:06] <viviersf> just making sure
[11:06] <viviersf> well atleast those backports work better than feisty's kde
[11:06] <Riddell> in which way?
[11:07] <viviersf> kontact/kmail
[11:07] <Riddell> ah yes, people have been saying that's improved
[11:07] <Riddell> they remove xinerama support though
[11:07] <viviersf> yeh
[11:07] <viviersf> they chose to move impi to gnome
[11:07] <viviersf> but we still use kontact
[11:07] <Riddell> grump
[11:07] <viviersf> cos of kolab etc
[11:07] <Riddell> right, I noticed you'd got into that
[11:08] <viviersf> so its very important for kontact to work 100%
[11:08] <viviersf> yeh :)
[11:21] <_StefanS_> mornings
[11:21] <_StefanS_> anyone remember what that tool for searching (and adding) non-kde programs to the kmenu ?
[11:21] <_StefanS_> cant remember it :(
[11:22] <Riddell> kappfinder?
[11:22] <Jucato> kappfinder
[11:22] <_StefanS_> ah yes !! :)
[11:22] <Jucato> although non-kde apps should be added automatically to the menu, provided they have the correct .desktop file
[11:22] <_StefanS_> thanks alot
[11:23] <_StefanS_> I was thinking Xterm and so on
[11:23] <Jucato> ah yeah
[11:23] <Jucato> xeyes :)
[11:23] <_StefanS_> nice :) exactly what I needed
[01:28] <Lure> Riddell: kdepim (kitchensync) needs opensync to build -> do you plan to request MIR for opensync?
[01:30] <Riddell> Lure: not looked at it yet, if you fancy doing the MIR please go ahead
[01:30] <Lure> Riddell: opensync in ubuntu/debian is rather old (0.19, latest is 0.22)
[01:31] <Riddell> yes, that probably also needs doing
[01:31] <Lure> Riddell: not sure if we should wait for update first (0.30 should be out soon and lifeless is debian maintainer)
[01:31] <Lure> Riddell: we could make kitchensync empty package for now...
[01:32] <Riddell> if kdepim works with .22 I don't see a point in waiting
[01:33] <Lure> Riddell: problem is we have 0.19 and I doubt it is at all useful to try
[01:33] <Lure> 0.22 is available by 3rdparties only (and it works for me and my nokia phone)
[01:34] <Lure> lifeless did not want to push 0.21/0.22 as 0.30 will change some stuff that will impact packagin, afair
[01:34] <Riddell> by 3rd parties?  it's not an official release?
[01:34] <Lure> Riddell: official release, just not in debian/ubuntu
[01:34] <Riddell> waiting for a future release is risky, it may get delayed, is there a release schedule?
[01:34] <Lure> Riddell: http://www.in.fh-merseburg.de/~jahn/opensync-0.21/
[01:36] <Lure> Riddell: according to Trac, 0.30 is "due in one week", but still 13 tickets opened, so I doubt it
[01:37] <Lure> Riddell: but there are daily commits, so it may be true
[01:37] <Lure> Riddell: but anyhow, we want working kdepim (including networkstatus) before MIR is granted (or 0.30 hits repo), right?
[01:38] <Lure> therefore shipping empty kitchensync package as a workaround would be fine
[01:39] <Lure> Riddell: btw, I see that you do not ship kitchensyn in your feisty repo at all...
[01:40] <Riddell> no, I just removed it from feisty
[01:40] <Riddell> I don't mind removing it from gutsy if that's the right thing to do just now
[01:50] <hunger> Hmmm... updating KDE without restarting the KDE apps is no fun:-)
[02:14] <Riddell> kwwii: could i get an eps of http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu_akademy_banner.png ?
[02:15] <Riddell> (at some point soon, no immediate rush)
[02:15] <sebas> Urgh. The slogan totally sucks.
[02:15] <kwwii> wait till you see the real one
[02:16] <Riddell> kwwii: we want that slogan, not the other one
[02:16] <Riddell> or a better one if sebas has one to hand
[02:16] <kwwii> Riddell: did you clear that with Gerry?
[02:16] <Riddell> kwwii: no, but then he never cleared his one with me
[02:17] <Riddell> and nobody that I've asked likes it
[02:17] <sebas> Should I post them here and have people bike-shed about it, or just privmail? :-)
[02:17] <kwwii> I think that you and Riddell can pick one :-)
[02:17] <sebas> Last time slogans were discussed on-list, it was a mess, everyone knows better, even if they don't.
[02:18] <kwwii> Riddell: I have to basically redraw the whole thing in adobe illustrator, I'll try to get it done by tomorrow, ok?
[02:19] <Riddell> kwwii: you do?  why?  tomorrow is fine
[02:19] <sebas> That's for the aKademy banner, right?
[02:19] <sebas> So target group is developers, not users?
[02:19] <Riddell> sebas: yes
[02:20] <kwwii> Riddell: because inkscape cannot create an eps
[02:20] <Riddell> kwwii: but can't AI import inkscape's SVG?
[02:20] <sebas> Should we go the community way then? I think so
[02:20] <kwwii> Riddell: yes, but it will not support the kind of transparency I am using
[02:21] <kwwii> and I still have to redo the cutting of the paths for the bleed
[02:21] <kwwii> it is not a real problem, but I am working on something else atm :-)
[02:21] <kwwii> I also need to touch up the advert from last year
[02:22] <sebas> Hm, what about "Our desktop." ?
[02:22] <sebas> I'm not sure as to what to communicate, is there anything known from Canonical why they sponsor aKademy, what they want to express with that?
[02:23] <sebas> We could otherwise get real geeky. As in "Downstream loves you!" or something similar
[02:24] <Riddell> sebas: they deliberately sponsor akademy higher than guadec to show their support for KDE to the otherwise skeptical developers
[02:24] <sebas> Then I'd say something snappy with 'downstream' of this meaning would be cool
[02:25] <Riddell> "all our customers choose KDE" :)
[02:25] <sebas> Hehehe
[02:25] <Riddell> (except Dell, but what do they know)
[02:26] <sebas> Kubuntu - all our users use KDE
[02:26] <sebas> Or maybe "Eat *this*, Novell!" ;-)
[02:26] <Riddell> provocative :)
[02:26] <sebas> Yes, and pretty much not done as well.
[02:27] <sebas> I'd do "Downstream loves you!"
[02:27] <Riddell> I do quite like that
[02:28] <sebas> It's definitely better than easy, good, perfect (or what was it?)
[02:28] <Riddell> random words that kwwii had in his head
[02:28] <Riddell> which is better than http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu_akademy_banner_1.png
[02:28] <sebas> I usually check slogans by putting them next to a brick and see if that applies. If it does, the slogan sucks.
[02:29] <sebas> Hehehe, make that Ubuntu - GNOME and it's funny again.
[02:29] <Riddell> yes, the equation is wrong anyway
[02:29] <sebas> Actually, that's one of the things Chris mentioned as well.
[02:29] <Riddell> which is?
[02:30] <sebas> He talked about "star buntu"
[02:30] <Riddell> would be nice
[02:30] <Riddell> well, no, it would be a crappy brand, but would be nice to make things equal
[02:30] <sebas> But hard, it's a messy identity that needs to be fixed.
[02:30] <sebas> Exactly.
[02:31] <sebas> One would need to put quite some thought into this, goes with technical stuff such as "what's a desktop"?
[02:32] <sebas> I'd say "the company is Canonical, the products are Ubuntu, antlbagguz (the new name for Kubuntu) and Snurkfroggl (the new xfce thing)" would work much better
[02:33] <sebas> People understand that a company can have different product lines for different needs (target groups), they don't understand than different desktops run on the same base system.
[02:33] <sebas> We've been through that, though :)
[02:33] <Riddell> changing the Kubuntu brand is pretty much a non-starter
[02:33] <Riddell> but creating an umbrella brand would be nice
[02:34] <sebas> Umbrella branding is really hard to do, and I think it's quite impossible with the current situation (without renaming *all* desktop, which is even more a non-starter)
[02:35] <sebas> ANother problem is that I'm not aware of a real product vision, such as "Ubuntu is for boring business use while Kubuntu is for exciting home users and extrovert weirdo's" or something like that.
[02:36] <sebas> To me, currently it's "we'd lose customers if we don't offer KDE", and that's hardly a product vision
[02:37] <Riddell> that's because both desktops are trying to cover as much market as possible
[02:37] <Riddell> no point in Kubuntu specialising if KDE isn't, and I don't want KDE to specialise
[02:37] <Riddell> same for Ubuntu/gnome I'm sure
[02:38] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:39] <Riddell> morning
[02:39] <jjesse> morning Hobbsee
[02:39] <sebas> Riddell: Well, it's not about specialising KDE, but specialising the product.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> :(
[02:39] <Riddell> but I want everyone to love us!
[02:39] <Hobbsee> * :)
[02:39] <sebas> KDE is raw product, to make it a 'real' product, specialising is good.
[02:40] <sebas> Sure, it should be generally usable, but from a business POV, it makes sense to specialise.
[02:40] <sebas> Breadth can be bad, because it makes you lose profile.
[02:40] <mhb> IMHO we'd lose a lot of users if we specialised Kubuntu, which would result in less volunteers, etc
[02:41] <sebas> For KDE, we're trying to create sub-brands and get those out.
[02:41] <sebas> For example showing KDE EDU as its own brand (sure it has other specialised software available, but by showing too much, you blur the strong message)
[02:42] <sebas> I'm not talking "let's do this", by the way. Only clarifying general concepts.
[02:43] <mhb> sebas: is there anyone in the distro market having a specialised KDE version?
[02:43] <mhb> most of them have KDE and GNOME as (mostly) equal choices
[02:44] <sebas> mhb: Skolelinux for example, Xandros and Linspire as well
[02:44] <sebas> Don't think in distro's, think in products for target markets, then it makes sense.
[02:45] <sebas> For desktops, it's also a geographical thing, Europe is more KDE territory, not offering KDE makes you lose large parts of the european market.
[02:45] <sebas> Likewise South America, lots of KDE fans there.
[02:46] <_marseillais> :) a friend of mine just told me that she wants mandriva in place of kubuntu because of kde's dragon missing in kdm login and delog.....
[02:46] <sebas> Point is, you don't need to target those that ask for KDE, just make sure everyone knows that you're offering good KDE stuff
[02:46] <sebas> marseillai: There you see KDE's strategy succeeding :-)
[02:46] <sebas> Which is Make people aware and love KDE, then have them choose a distro which offers KDE
[02:46] <Riddell> marseillai: show her our web site front page
[02:47] <mhb> sebas: IRC's no good for long ramblings .o)
[02:47] <sebas> Right.
[02:48] <sebas> I'm escaping dealing with badly written webforms though.
[02:48] <sebas> Kind of elusive behaviour
[02:48] <mhb> sebas: but you are having at least a bit of a point IMO
[02:49] <sebas> Thanks :P
[02:51] <_marseillais> Riddell, she find it just lovely!
[02:51] <Riddell> should be enough dragons for everyone
[02:51] <_marseillais> the same in kdm and she's almost the happiest girl in the world
[02:52] <_marseillais> but she prefer kde's dragon
[02:52] <Jucato> give me a few secs...
[02:52] <_marseillais> what's his name ?
[02:52] <_marseillais> of kde's gradon
[02:53] <Jucato> Konqi
[02:53] <Hobbsee> mmm...dragons...
[02:53] <_marseillais> yes Jucato now i remember
[02:53] <_marseillais> thanks
[02:54] <Jucato> _marseillais: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3080988.msg59783#msg59783
[02:58] <mhb> sebas: I thought the goal is "to provide the best KDE around"
[02:59] <mhb> sebas: best probably as in balanced in performance, usability and features
[02:59] <sebas> That's hardly a goal, that's a means.
[03:00] <sebas> A goal would be  "Get 40% of computer users worldwide to use KDE desktops"
[03:00] <sebas> Just as an example, of course the 40% is just a joke, far too low.
[03:01] <_marseillais> Jucato, she find that very cool
[03:01] <_marseillais> :)
[03:01] <_marseillais> she's happy
[03:01] <Jucato> I thought she'd be :)
[03:01] <mhb> sebas: yes, that's a goal of a product ... truth is, I sometimes think of kubuntu as a project, not a product
[03:02] <_marseillais> and happy girl is just making me happy....
[03:02] <_marseillais> :)
[03:02] <sebas> In branding terms compared to the other Ubuntu things, it's more a product.
[03:02] <sebas> A project is quite a bad name for that, btw.
[03:02] <sebas> A project has a well-defined ending
[03:02] <mhb> sebas: yes, but compared to ubuntu a lot of things are lacking, no kubuntu marketing team for instance
[03:02] <sebas> Which Kubuntu I think has not
[03:02] <sebas> Right, no marketing, exactly my point.
[03:08] <mhb> sebas: but if canonical supports the development of kubuntu, they have to have a good reason for that
[03:08] <sebas> Yes, customers that want KDE
[03:09] <Lure> Riddell, Hobbsee: kdepim temporary fix for build failure: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/gutsy/kdepim.debdiff
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Lure: +++ /tmp/Ox7XvvA4y5/kdepim-3.5.7/debian/kdepim-dev.install	2007-05-24 13:06:46.000000000 +0000 isnt needed, against my latest packages
[03:10] <mhb> sebas: then "providing the best KDE around" is the goal, isn't it? That's exactly what the customers desire.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> but those are correct against the current archive version
[03:10] <mhb> sebas: and customers are the reason why C. supports Kubuntu
[03:11] <sebas> That's reacting to existing markets, while the biggest opportunities lie in new markets.
[03:12] <mhb> sebas: could be - the goals can be reshaped, of course
[03:13] <Lure> Hobbsee: right, I have used the version from archive
[03:13] <Lure> Hobbsee: feel free to adopt it to your version to fix build
[03:18] <Lure> _marseillais: you can switch back to old konqi logout with config file change...
[03:18] <_marseillais> Lure, yes Jucato show me how to do
[03:19] <Lure> _marseillais: yep, I see the link now... ;-)
[03:19] <Jucato> :)
[03:19] <Riddell> Lure: great, uploading
[03:19] <Jucato> _StefanS_ is so going to kill me :)
[03:21] <Lure> Jucato: it is his fault anyhow - he has implemented the config option ;-)
[03:21] <Jucato> hehe :)
[03:35] <mhb> sebas: what are your suggestion for the goals of Kubuntu?
[03:36] <mhb> suggetions
[03:41] <mhb> sebas: we would have to define the goals, define the target audience, then perhaps an analysis of what the audience wants, then create specs (in LP) in accordance with the needs of the audience...
[03:41] <sebas> Jep. That's the right way (roughly)
[03:41] <jjesse> shouldn't that be further discussed at the kubuntu mtg?
[03:41] <sebas> And a lot of work, too.
[03:41] <sebas> What's an MTG?
[03:41] <mhb> sebas: this topic fits well for the UDS discussion, I thought you were there
[03:41] <mhb> sebas: did you not talk about that?
[03:42] <sebas> I was there, yes, not really.
[03:42] <mhb> mtg = meeting
[03:42] <mhb> probably
[03:43] <sebas> Uhm, why during the meeting?
[03:43] <jjesse> isn't that were the kubuntu team discusses this so more people can add contrstutive criticism?
[03:43] <sebas> This kind of stuff starts endless discussion of people who want to tell what they think while they totally lack the background. The perfect way to destroy a meeting.
[03:44] <sebas> No, that's where decisions are being made. I don't see this.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> seems like ML material, maybe
[03:44] <sebas> Especially not when nobody wants to put work into it.
[03:44] <sebas> For me, I don't really have time I can put into it.
[03:45] <sebas> It would be cool if some people started thinking about this, I can probably lend some experience then.
[03:45] <sebas> But that means a lot of work.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> jjesse: that's teh ML.  not all kubuntu people can make the mtg
[03:50] <mhb> Hobbsee: I don't think there is a target audience for kubuntu yet
[03:50] <sebas> I think there is, only nobody thought how to align Kubuntu with that.
[03:50] <Hobbsee> wlel, no, but who would we want the target audience to be?
[03:50] <sebas> Which means first finding out what it is.
[03:51] <mhb> Hobbsee: that is the question
[03:51] <Hobbsee> 42!
[03:53] <Lure> Hobbsee: that is the answer
[03:53] <Hobbsee> exactly!
[04:02] <mhb> sebas: IMHO we need to spread the word (what you said) a bit, in order to gain more attention and perhaps those sought volunteers
[04:03] <mhb> sebas: a mail into the ML perhaps
[04:05] <sebas> That might work
[04:17] <jjesse> isn't that what mailing lists are for?
[04:20] <viviersf> Riddell, can we talk about kubuntu kde packages tomorrow plz
[04:21] <Riddell> viviersf: sure
[04:21] <sebas> Did I miss the date for a meeting, btw?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Lure: did you want to push that kdepim update, or do i?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> sebas: i suck.   you havent missed it.
[04:22] <Lure> Hobbsee: Riddell already did
[04:22] <Hobbsee> right
[04:22] <sebas> Would a note be sent to kubuntu-devel? (That'd work for me.)
[04:22] <Hobbsee> sebas: of course.
[04:22] <sebas> Cool :)
[04:22] <Hobbsee> sebas: the problem is that i suck, and really havent gotten back in control of anything since i get back.
[04:23] <Lure> meeting? we didn't have one for a long time... ;-)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Lure: yes.
[04:23] <sebas> Hobbsee: Not a problem, I was just asking myself if I missed something, which I didn
[04:24] <sebas> t, which in turn, is fine. :-)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> sebas: heh.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> it's really bad - i need to get in control again.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> but, i've done a lot of the kde packages for gutsy, so at least that's something.
[04:25] <Riddell> makes me happy :)
[04:25] <Riddell> time for me to 0wn gutsy-changes, kde-i18n uploading
[04:25] <Hobbsee> woo!
[04:27] <Hobbsee> uh oh.  i'm being emailed by the tech board.
[04:27] <Riddell> oh, do we need to all give testimony on how you should be a core-dev?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> think it's already been done, for the most part.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> but a word from you probably wouldnt hurt, being Mr Kubuntu, and all.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> seeing as everyone else has replied isnt a kubuntu-specifc person, for the most part
[04:29] <Riddell> where does this happen?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> motu-council mailing list, i think, who then sent it to the tech board
[04:30] <Hobbsee> The MOTU Council notified us of your interest in joining the core
[04:30] <Hobbsee> development team.  Thanks for expressing your interest in further
[04:30] <Hobbsee> contributions to the development of Ubuntu.
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Typically, we interview core developer applicants on IRC during a regularly
[04:30] <Hobbsee> scheduled meeting.  However, based on the time zone you have indicated in
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Launchpad, this would be at 0500 local time, so I'm open to making a
[04:30] <Hobbsee> different arrangement for you to meet with us at a more reasonable time of
[04:30] <Hobbsee> day.
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Would you like to propose a time?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> sebas: dunno.  tech board is busy, so they fob work off to motu council.  motu council is also busy, but everyhting is on their ML anyway.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> sebas: it's very beurocratic now, yes.
[04:33] <sebas> I've no idea how all that works, and somehow I refuse to learn it.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> !sru
[04:33] <ubotu> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:51] <mhb> manchicken_: I've had a thought ... adept (especially updater) usually prompts a kdesu passcheck before any window opens...
[04:52] <mhb> manchicken_: I think there should be a window before that, telling people why do they have to input their password
[04:52] <sebas> Can't that be passed to kdesu somehow?
[04:52] <mhb> sebas: not at this moment, I'm afraid
[04:52] <mhb> sebas: gksudo does that, kdesu don't, AFAIK
[04:53] <manchicken_> mhb: I'm wondering if kdesu had that in.
[04:53] <sebas> Hm, it's dumb
[04:54] <mhb> manchicken_: and another thing, why does adept_updater have a welcome screen?
[04:54] <manchicken_> A better question :)
[04:55] <mhb> the user should know what it is before he submits the password...afterwards it's pretty clear he wants the upgrade to happen
[04:55] <Jucato> :)
[04:55] <manchicken_> Well, it's good to give the "these are the packages needing updates, wanna do it?
[04:55] <manchicken_> "
[04:55] <sebas> Another dialogue you have to click away sounds annoying to me
[04:56] <manchicken_> sebas: Agreed.
[04:56] <manchicken_> I think maybe have better text in kdesu's dialog may be a better choice.
[04:56] <Jucato> manchicken_: maybe you don't have to click fetch updates to actually fetch the upates, just present the Apply Updates or Forget it button?
[04:57] <manchicken_> Jucato: My thoughts exactly.
[04:57] <manchicken_> Someone should draw up a spec for this :)
[04:57] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:57] <manchicken_> *cough*mhb*cough*
[04:58] <mhb> yeah, I can do it
[04:58] <Jucato> *cough*yay*cough*
[04:58] <manchicken_> heh
[04:58] <mhb> manchicken_: but I think one dialog is enough
[04:59] <mhb> manchicken_: and we can't get rid of the kdesu dialog, so I'd vote for better description on that one
[05:00] <mhb> something like - "Insert your password to upgrade your system." Command: adept_updater
[05:00] <manchicken_> Yeah.
[05:00] <mhb> instead of the "Insert your password" line
[05:00] <manchicken_> I think those would be two different specs.
[05:00] <manchicken_> One for the kdesu issue and one for the adept welcome screen.
[05:00] <manchicken_> I'll do the adept welcome screen spec if you do the kdesu
[05:03] <mhb> sounds fair
[05:03] <manchicken_> Best wiki page URL ever
[05:03] <manchicken_> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAdeptUpdateWelcomeScreenNeedsToDie
[05:04] <Jucato> lol
[05:04] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:20] <manchicken_> Wow, the spec template got longer.
[05:21] <DaSkreech> manchicken_: I haven't looked at the spec for Gib Yet. I'm betting we want Kubuntu to look prettier?
[05:31] <manchicken_> Gib?
[05:31] <yuriy> manchicken,mhb: any idea how to do the kdesu thing? i was thinking about that too but i couldn't think of a very good way to do it
[05:33] <manchicken_> yuriy: No idea.  Worst comes to worse we could just subclass the kdesu dialog and modify it :)
[05:33] <yuriy> because one of the things with it should be that when the user sees that, they should know that they are launching the updater
[05:34] <yuriy> like some way to prevent having somebody else making a dialog that gives the same text the actual one does and have the user put in a password
[05:34] <yuriy> or am i thinking too much into this?
[05:34] <manchicken_> Well, I think that's a good question.
[05:34] <manchicken_> We should probably try to find some newer users and ask them these questions.
[05:35] <hunger> yuriy: How will you make sure that nobody else just imitates what you are going to do?
[05:35] <yuriy> hunger: exactly.. no idea.
[05:36] <hunger> But that was not X based;-)
[05:36] <yuriy> but anyways, other than _that, could we ship a file with descriptions for the commands that are launched with kdesu from the kmenu and patch kdesu to search that?
[05:36] <mhb> yuriy: well
[05:36] <mhb> yuriy: kdesu can already display a custom icon
[05:36] <mhb> we could use the adept "package" icon to show that something with packages is about to happen
[05:36] <yuriy> mhb: oh that's nice. does it? i've never noticed
[05:37] <mhb> yuriy: it does, AFAIK - try kdesu --help
[05:38] <DaSkreech> manchicken_: Gutsy
[05:38] <mhb> yuriy: then we could patch kdesu to be able to display a custom message instead of the "Insert your password." line
[05:38] <yuriy> i mean, on kubuntu right now, it doesn't show the adept icon when launching adept. would that just be a matter of changing the shortcut?
[05:38] <manchicken_> Gotcha.
[05:40] <mhb> yuriy: most likely
[05:42] <mhb> yuriy: you never noticed? :o) some guidance tools (userconfig) uses this particular feature
[05:42] <yuriy> ah, with the administrator button?
[05:44] <hunger> No updates today? What is wrong? Buildds still busy chewing through KDE?
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Hi hunger
[05:45] <hunger> Hi DaSkreech.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> hunger: means i've been at uni, and no one else has done them.  although i thought kdepim went thru
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: that's what you were building?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:47] <yuriy> hmm, there isn't really anything other than adept that uses kdesu in the kmenu is there, heh.
[05:47] <Hobbsee> i havent touched kdepim in a day or so
[05:47] <hunger> Anyone working on a fix for knetworkmanager by the way?
[05:48] <Hobbsee> hunger: already done in kdepim
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Qtparted?
[05:50] <yuriy> if adept is the only thing, then patching to add descriptions might be overboard, the icon would be nice though. <- manchicken
[05:52] <mhb> well, patching to add descriptions will be useful elsewhere, too
[05:53] <mhb> nobody uses it because it doesn't exist - but if it did, I'm sure more apps could make use of it
[05:54] <nixternal> oi oi mornin' mornin'!
[05:55] <mhb> nixternal: good morning!
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Hi nixternal
[05:55] <nixternal> hola!
[05:55] <DaSkreech> still not telling mewhere tochange the files?
[05:56] <manchicken_> That spec is done.
[05:57] <mhb> nixternal: I'm triaging a report which states that Debian's KDE is faster than Kubuntu's ... you seem to be working with debian folks lately (IIRC), did you notice something like that?
[05:57] <nixternal> hrmm
[05:58] <nixternal> my Debian KDE isn't faster
[05:58] <nixternal> it is the same if you ask me
[05:58] <nixternal> Debian KDE == stripped all to hell
[05:58] <nixternal> well not stripped...but vanilla
[05:59] <mhb> nixternal: that's what I thought
[05:59] <nixternal> mhb: do you have any examples on what may be quicker?
[06:00] <nixternal> from login to desktop is quick, but that could be because I have stuff starting up on my lappy that isn't on my desktop
[06:01] <nixternal> I just waited 30+ seconds for Adept to fire up after clicking the notifier icon on the bottom
[06:03] <mhb> nixternal: no, I'm waiting on the input from the bug reporter
[06:03] <nixternal> ahh, ok
[06:25] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Cough and look to the left?
[06:25] <nixternal> that was about 20 years ago for high school sports
[06:26] <DaSkreech> I think my eye is bleeding
[06:45] <DaSkreech> Omgoodness konqueror and gmail are broken :)
[06:48] <Hobbsee> what, again?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> It was patched?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> I'm on a live cd so no updates :)
[06:51] <Hobbsee> oh so pre .
[06:51] <Hobbsee> 7
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[07:03] <nixternal> what is the kio thing for konqi that allows you to search packages?
[07:03] <nixternal> nevermind
[07:03] <nixternal> apt:/
[07:07] <DaSkreech> apt:/
[07:09] <meven> i have a simple question about C++
[07:09] <Hobbsee> shoot
[07:09] <meven> how can i suspend a kapp until a kprocess sends its exited signal
[07:10] <Hobbsee> #kde-devel is a more appropriate place
[07:10] <meven> sory
[08:23] <yuriy> hmm i think i'm going to make a kde-media tag for media/cd bugs. or do we already have something like that?
[08:24] <Hobbsee> just file lots of things upstream
[08:24] <Hobbsee> if you're working on the buglist
[08:24] <yuriy> buglist?
[08:25] <Hobbsee> kde bugs
[08:25] <Hobbsee> bugs on malone == buglist
[08:27] <_StefanS_> evening
[08:27] <Hobbsee> hiya
[08:27] <_StefanS_> Jucato: hey, hows that new monitor of yours?
[08:27] <_StefanS_> Hey Hobbs, Jucatoh :)
[08:28] <Riddell> DaSkreech: one the CD?
[08:28] <Riddell> s/one/on/
[08:29] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Yeah I found a bug/typo
[08:29] <Riddell> DaSkreech: what's that?
[08:30] <DaSkreech> Riddell: In the disctree/en/kubuntu.html it says that Kubuntu ships with KDE 3.4
[08:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: knetworkmanager, and support for LEAP is done. I depends on features in networkmanager 0.6.5, so I dont know if its ready for gutsy yet?
[08:32] <Riddell> DaSkreech: that's just put together by heno from various places, probably about kubuntu
[08:32] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I'd really like to see about kubuntu and the those winfoss info pages improved for gutsy
[08:33] <Riddell> _StefanS_: is there a knetworkmanager release?
[08:33] <Riddell> _StefanS_: we probably have to wait for networkmanager 0.6.5 in any case
[08:33] <_StefanS_> Riddell: you're thinking 0.2 ?
[08:34] <_StefanS_> Riddell: not yet, should I just submit it upstream?
[08:34] <yuriy> Riddell: it's just html? improved looks or content?
[08:38] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Thought I'd just change it to something correct :)
[08:40] <yuriy> anyways, is someone working on a new website? then the style from the website should be used on the docs, right?
[08:42] <jjesse> the sytle for the docs and website should match in my view
[08:42] <jjesse> nixternal: what do you think?
[08:44] <Lure> _StefanS_: ubuntu still has nm 0.6.4 only, we have to wait for 0.6.5
[08:44] <Lure> _StefanS_: but you should push it upstream (for 0.2)
[08:45] <_StefanS_> Lure: I will do that, and wait for it to come downwards into kubuntu :)
[08:49] <nixternal> jjesse: +++11111
[08:50] <nixternal> reboot time
[08:53] <yuriy> (bug 103972) any chance of libarts1-mpeglib being installed by default?
[08:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103972 in kdebase "Konqueror audio preview doesnt work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103972
[08:56] <Riddell> _StefanS_: sure
[08:56] <_StefanS_> anyone know how to have previous bash history available even though you quit konsole/xterm (shouldn't it be sourced automatically?)
[08:56] <Riddell> yuriy: content for about kubuntu, it's docbook in the ubuntu docs svn repository
[08:58] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I tried :-)
[09:01] <nixternal> what did you try?
[09:02] <DaSkreech> To fix the file on the live Cd :)
[09:05] <nixternal> ahhh
[11:36] <DaSkreech> Night!
[11:39] <meven_>  www.dell.com/open that's done