[12:13] <rodrigo_inthemix> let's go, have a good night
[12:14] <K-Ryan> Has anyone installed PlaneShift before?
[12:14] <foxx> Sergo-Kubuntu: You can add the Medibuntu repository in order to gain access to them if legal in your country.
[12:14] <K-Ryan> Sucessfully I might add...
[12:14] <foxx> Sergo-Kubuntu: If you're on 64-bit Kubuntu you can check out the w64codecs package (all the w32 codecs but in 64-bit-Ubuntu digestible form)
[12:14] <Sergo-Kubuntu> foxx: to gain access to codecs?
[12:15] <K-Ryan> It's an MMORPG, www.planeshift.it
[12:15] <Sergo-Kubuntu> i'm on 32-bit
[12:15] <foxx> Sergo-Kubuntu: By default the codecs aren't installed because they arne't open source.
[12:15] <K-Ryan> The download is a .bin, and I'm trying to install it through the terminal
[12:15] <aroo> bdgraue: I chose scim but nothing showed up in the taskbar
[12:15] <ForgeAus> foxx? even if they're not legal to simply download you can pay for them right?
[12:15] <K-Ryan> Oh hold on, I got a message from planeshift channel...
[12:15] <liam_> hi
[12:15] <foxx> ForgeAus: That depends, there are no legal paid codecs for some of them for Linux
[12:16] <bdgraue> aroo: do you have scin installed?
[12:16] <foxx> ForgeAus: The legality is "questionable," not necessarily illegal
[12:16] <bdgraue> scim
[12:16] <ForgeAus> foxx, grrr this annoys me it should be illegal for companies to do that!
[12:16] <foxx> ForgeAus: Yes, you'd imagine so, but it's the world we live in, right?
[12:16] <bdgraue> aroo: do you have scim or skim installed?
[12:16] <K-Ryan> Never mind, this guy's helping me and knows what he's talking about..
[12:16] <ForgeAus> if theres a movie in a format you get you should have access (sure even if you ahve to pay some for the codec) to view it...
[12:17] <aroo> bdgraue: one sec I might have found the problem
[12:17] <foxx> ForgeAus: They separate the codec pack (Sergo-Kubuntu, you're looking for the one named "w32codecs") because IF it ever becomes flat-out illegal nobody can shut down Ubuntu
[12:18] <Sergo-Kubuntu> what is w32codecs properly, what it contains?
[12:18] <Sergo-Kubuntu> =] 
[12:18] <Sergo-Kubuntu> the collection of codecs?
[12:18] <foxx> Sergo-Kubuntu: Basically all the 32-bit codecs from Windows.
[12:18] <ForgeAus> yeah mostly windows ones
[12:18] <foxx> Sergo-Kubuntu: WMV9, for instance
[12:18] <RawSewage> they wouldnt make it illegal.  Microsoft likes Ubuntu and the Linux community.  thats why they made a deal with Novell, so they can help us make Linux even better
[12:18] <aroo> bdgraue: I didn't have scim-canna installed whoops :)
[12:18] <ForgeAus> Raw I disagree
[12:19] <foxx> RawSewage: lol, yeah, of course.
[12:19] <foxx> ForgeAus: I think he's making a joke
[12:19] <ForgeAus> microsoft recently are saying that 40+ of their patents have been breached in the linux OS
[12:19] <bdgraue> aroo: so it works now?
[12:19] <aroo> bdgraue: yes :0
[12:19] <Sergo-Kubuntu> foxx: can i install codecs for kubuntu so: http://ubuntu.org.md/?p=4 ?
[12:19] <ForgeAus> I hope 20+ of them are simply SAMBA related
[12:19] <K-Ryan> ForgeAus: Well that's Microsoft for ya'...
[12:19] <Sergo-Kubuntu> there is a list of codecs ..
[12:19] <bdgraue> :-)
[12:19] <ForgeAus> linux can do without Samba if it needs to...
[12:20] <Sergo-Kubuntu> =] 
[12:20] <RawSewage> I like Samba
[12:20] <foxx> Sergo-Kubuntu: I'm sorry, I do not speak that language, but as long as you get a repository that has "w32codecs.deb" you're golden
[12:20] <ForgeAus> me 2 raw
[12:20] <foxx> ForgeAus: I like my Samba.
[12:20] <foxx> It's one of the few things MS has made that's actually kinda nice (not Samba itself, the protocol used, SMB)
[12:21] <RawSewage> is Samba patented
[12:21] <ForgeAus> possibly
[12:21] <foxx> RawSewage: Nope, it's a complete impelentation from the ground up
[12:21] <ForgeAus> foxx sure might be
[12:21] <foxx> RawSewage: Or heck, I suppose it COULD be
[12:22] <ForgeAus> but it still might use patented functionality
[12:22] <foxx> ForgeAus: I doubt it.  When's the last time someone patented a network protocol?
[12:22] <ForgeAus> even if developed independantly from it
[12:22] <K-Ryan> "cd PlaneShift/" "Permission denied"
[12:22] <K-Ryan> Err?
[12:22] <ForgeAus> foxx maybe not the protocol itself
[12:22] <ForgeAus> but an aspect that makes the protocol unworkable?
[12:22] <foxx> ForgeAus: Sure there's software patents but I've never heard of one on a protocol.  Provided you don't have a patented protocol you can implement it any way you like
[12:23] <LucianSolaris> ANYONE: Here's something that's pissing me off, in Kubuntu, under kcontrol, i've disabled the power option to turn off my screen, except it seems to have no effect in not turning off my screen!  is there anything else that would make my screen turn off (it isn't hardware)?
[12:23] <foxx> Sergo-Kubuntu: Ah, here we are.  This is the Medibuntu repository.  Follow the "Repository How-To" and you'll be in good shape to get the w32codec packs and anything else you need:  http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[12:23] <K-Ryan> Turn off like, screen saver turn off?
[12:24] <foxx> Oh yeah, I have a question.  Is anyone here using Aquamarine and Beryl?
[12:24] <Sergo-Kubuntu> foxx: ye thanks i'm downloading now those close-sources
[12:24] <Sergo-Kubuntu> :)
[12:24] <foxx> Sergo-Kubuntu: Good stuff, glad we could help.
[12:24] <foxx> Sergo-Kubuntu: You *may* need to point Kaffeine at the w32codecs but it should be automatic.  Just fire up your favorites
[12:24] <K-Ryan> I can't changedir to a directory, permission denied
[12:24] <K-Ryan> how do i fix it?
[12:24] <foxx> Sergo-Kubuntu: IF for some reason you still can't, there's a final solution
[12:24] <Sergo-Kubuntu> K-Ryan: sudo su
[12:25] <Sergo-Kubuntu> to become an root
[12:25] <foxx> Sergo-Kubuntu: The VideoLAN Client (called "VLC") has built-in codec support for...well...just about ANYTHING.
[12:25] <LucianSolaris> k-ryan: i mean 'turning off the screen', not a screensaver
[12:25] <LucianSolaris> i want it to quit killing my screen
[12:25] <foxx> Sergo-Kubuntu: It's also free, open-source, and on every platform just about
[12:25] <LucianSolaris> i want my screen saver to be there 6 hours from when i leave it
[12:25] <LucianSolaris> not a black screen
[12:25] <K-Ryan> Yes, that's what I was talking about
[12:25] <LucianSolaris> ok
[12:25] <foxx> Sergo-Kubuntu: I'd recommend installing VLC (will be called "vlc" in the repository) just in case you come across something you can't play.
[12:25] <K-Ryan> right click your desktop and goto configure desktop
[12:26] <luckyone> after following this: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/ruby/2007/04/26/ruby-on-rails-meets-eclipse.html?page=3 , eclipse just eats 100% of my processor - does anyone know what is going on?
[12:26] <foxx> Sergo-Kubuntu: Guaranteed that player will work.  If it doesn't, it's flat-out not possible to play.
[12:26] <Sergo-Kubuntu> ok thanks for remembering me about vlc i just forget about vlc its' really rocks
[12:26] <LucianSolaris> olk
[12:26] <K-Ryan> Err, never mind, that's not where I saw it.
[12:26] <K-Ryan> Sorry
[12:26] <K-Ryan> I'll keep looking though.
[12:26] <LucianSolaris> it's already been disabled in kcontrol
[12:26] <Sergo-Kubuntu> forgot*
[12:26] <liam_> vlc is awesome. if it cant play a file then the file is wrong
[12:26] <LucianSolaris> under the energy start hing
[12:26] <liam_> simple as that
[12:26] <LucianSolaris> *star thing
[12:28] <Sergo-Kubuntu> how this is possible that vlc doesn't need any codecs to play something
[12:28] <Sergo-Kubuntu> it's seems it's an ultra program
[12:28] <Sergo-Kubuntu> gg
[12:28] <foxx> Sergo-Kubuntu: Heh, it is, pretty much.  Basically they built all codec support into the program already
[12:29] <foxx> Sergo-Kubuntu: This makes it difficult to extend, but on the positive side there isn't a codec out there it can't play
[12:29] <foxx> Sergo-Kubuntu: Flat-out removes all the codec guessing.  On the negative side it's not as pretty as something like Kaffeine (and my sound quality is **** with it for some unknown reason)
[12:30] <frectomex> who can guide me to install LEADTEK DTV 2000 H ? pls :)
[12:31] <foxx> I should note I still absolutely LOVE VLC, though.
[12:31] <foxx> I just hate my sound chip. =)
[12:32] <Sergo-Kubuntu> dosen't matter if vlc isn't pretty, if it's work fine this is enought :)
[12:33] <Sergo-Kubuntu> and i will remove now all w32codecs and will install probaly vlc
[12:34] <BWolf85> what problem is everyone wresting with today
[12:34] <Sergo-Kubuntu> vlc is also pretty
[12:34] <Sergo-Kubuntu> =] 
[12:35] <foxx> BWolf85: Well, I had a serious issue with my Envy24HT sound chip but crimsun helped me track down that problem (broken asound.state file)
[12:35] <foxx> Sergo-Kubuntu: Yeah, I think everyone loves VLC.  It's the only player I use in Windows now and one of hte only ones I use in Linux
[12:36] <BWolf85> VLC is good what i used in windows all the time
[12:38] <foxx> BWolf85: Any idea what would give you poor audio performance in VLC (and pretty much ONLY VLC) under Linux?
[12:38] <foxx> BWolf85: I've heard it might be a flaw in the ALSA implementation
[12:39] <david__> anyone here familiar wiht beryl?
[12:39] <BWolf85> u mean a popping or clicking
[12:39] <BWolf85> !beryl | david
[12:39] <|frectomex|> who know how to install a hybrid tv card
[12:39] <ubotu> david: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:40] <david__> thanks BWolf85, i just can't get window borders or any themes to work
[12:40] <foxx> BWolf85: popping and crackling, yeah
[12:40] <foxx> david__: Check out http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=13833.msg70914;topicseen#new as well
[12:41] <BWolf85> yah my vlc does that at times too just depends on the music file *mp3* some times it doesnt
[12:41] <liam_> im writing an scrits using bash for an assignment i have to do. Its amazing how powerful it is
[12:41] <liam_> ***scipts
[12:41] <K-Ryan> scripts? =P
[12:42] <foxx> Which reminds me of something else, is there a recommended package to install for MP3 support?  I'm not all that satisfied with the one automatickally downloaded for Amarok (if I crank the PCM output to max it sound HORRIBLE)
[12:42] <liam_> lol, i used to be able to spell
[12:42] <foxx> liam_: Yeah, scripts should be mandatory for computer usage.  They make you love the bomb.
[12:43] <liam_> true! awk and grep and my new best friends. Im hoping i can at least get a B :)
[12:44] <ReMiiRuru> Can I get OpenGL working(even if very slow) without nvidia drivers?
[12:46] <just-this-time> how do I know the version of Xserver ?
[12:46] <VSpike> does anyone recommend intalling the 3.5.7 packages on feisty?
[12:46] <VSpike> I installed 3.5.6 on edgy and had problems.  Then again, they are supposed to be mostly bugfixes and stability improvements.  So I don't know whether it's a good idea or not.
[12:46] <foxx> NOOOOOO!
[12:46] <foxx> ThinkGeek got rid of the grepmaster mugs!
[12:46] <foxx> How could they?!
[12:47] <liam_> ha! gutted
[12:47] <VSpike> just-this-time: aptitude show xserver-xorg
[12:48] <liam_> yus! just as i was saying how much i loved scripting. i have done something bad. my scripts have gone :( Always keep a baclup!
[12:48] <liam_> **backup
[12:48] <foxx> VSpike: Generally I don't think too many people have had a positive experience with Edgy.  Have you considered trying Feisty?
[12:48] <BWolf85> love the feisty!
[12:48] <BWolf85> :D
[12:48] <BWolf85> *then again its all ive used(
[12:48] <foxx> ReMiiRuru: Probably not.  You need graphics acceleration for OpenGL
[12:49] <foxx> ReMiiRuru: Depending on your card you *could* try the open source drivers (for nvidia it's "nv") but they kill my GF7800GT
[12:49] <hivemind> I've used the last four editions, Fiesty is nice ^_^
[12:49] <BWolf85> can i post a linux related link here?
[12:49] <BWolf85> i think so
[12:49] <BWolf85> http://www.cnettv.com/9710-1_53-27696.html?k=%22maker%20faire%22tag=cnetfd.vid
[12:49] <foxx> BWolf85: I've used Edgy and still do on my Media server (just don't want to upgrade until I get that external hard drive backup working...you never know)
[12:49] <BWolf85> linux open sourse cellphones
[12:49] <foxx> BWolf85: But overall Feisty is much nicer
[12:50] <ReMiiRuru> foxx: I use nv(because I can not get nvidia drivers to work) but I don't have OpenGL, I remember that on suse, when I had it year ago, I could use OpenGL without nvidia drivers, but fps was about 5~
[12:50] <BWolf85> my external HD works fine in feisty
[12:50] <s17lans> hello there
[12:50] <liam_> hi
[12:50] <foxx> BWolf85: It's not a question of it "working," it's actually getting it connected.  ;)
[12:50] <VSpike> foxx: sorry, i mean I have feisty, and I saw http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[12:50] <s17lans> i just installed kubuntu and i need some help about updating
[12:51] <VSpike> foxx: was wondering if anyone had installed.
[12:51] <BWolf85> whats up s17lans
[12:51] <foxx> BWolf85: I need to get an enclosure to make my hard drive external, plug it in, then put it in the cron to do it regularly
[12:51] <s17lans> how i do updates ?
[12:51] <VSpike> foxx: when I had edgy, I installed the kde 3.5.6 packages which were backported, but I had some problems with them
[12:51] <foxx> VSpike: Ah, I apologize then.
[12:51] <VSpike> foxx: np :)
[12:51] <s17lans> i dont mean apt-get etc
[12:52] <VSpike> foxx: I agree, on the whole feisty works better for me
[12:52] <ulmolavender> how do I scan images? I've got an hp all-in one, xsane says "Failed to open device hpaio:/usb/psc......." Error during device I/O.
[12:52] <foxx> Alright, it was great hanging out with you all but I have yet more things to break (I've come to the conclusion that anyone using Linux probably enjoys breaking things)
[12:52] <BWolf85> !update
[12:52] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[12:52] <VSpike> foxx: ain't that the truth
[12:52] <liam_> i agree
[12:52] <ulmolavender> !scan
[12:52] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[12:52] <BWolf85> my computer tells me when there is an update needed
[12:53] <ReMiiRuru> Anyone can think of linux/BIOS/whatever magic needed to fix it http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21594/
[12:53] <foxx> VSpike: Yeah, pretty much.  You figure it this way...you had a functional system, and you PURPOSEFULLY broke it to put Linux on it
[12:53] <|frectomex|> who knows how to install a hybrid tv card ?
[12:53] <VSpike> foxx: also true :)
[12:53] <foxx> VSpike: Looking at it from that perspective I think there's probably just something in us that inherently likes broken things. ;)
[12:53] <VSpike> foxx: or enjoys a challenge
[12:54] <foxx> Yes...of how to break it.  ;P
[12:54] <liam_> or is really bored
[12:54] <VSpike> liam_: that too
[12:54] <BWolf85> my computer breaks all the time by me making mistakes...ive learned more that way then any
[12:54] <BWolf85> keep info backed up and can always just reinstall and reformat if all else fails hah
[12:54] <liam_> same here! teaches you the importance of backing up too
[12:54] <foxx> While not directly Kubuntu related I also wanted to relate a victory for Open Source.  As of yesterday my household is now completely Windows-free
[12:54] <liam_> nice one foxx
[12:54] <ulmolavender> yay
[12:55] <foxx> My wife just got her first Linux installation up and running, Slackware 11.0.  Complete with Wireless!
[12:55] <foxx> Now I just have to make my 360 play nice with my media server and we'll be golden. ;)
[12:55] <VSpike> mine is still asking "where has Word gone?"
[12:55] <foxx> VSpike: lol
[12:55] <liam_> wireless is evil! feisty sems to handle it better though
[12:55] <foxx> VSpike: Tell it about Kate, she's pretty. ;P
[12:55] <BWolf85> i have a windows partition for school because its what me university used to use all the time. though i also use winders for my website server.
[12:56] <foxx> liam_: We used ndiswrapper and wpa_supplicant to get our Broadcom working
[12:56] <VSpike> She's coming to an accomodation with OpenOffice
[12:56] <liam_> i had a bad ralink chipset
[12:56] <BWolf85> i used ndiswrapper for my wireless
[12:56] <liam_> not even the drivers form tha ralink site worked
[12:56] <ReMiiRuru> I have to use windows for school/work, but 95% of my PC uptime is on linux.
[12:56] <foxx> For us since we got a 360 we haven't felt like doing pretty much gaming on the pc at all.
[12:56] <liam_> in the end i bought a new card :)
[12:57] <BWolf85> my pc is pure business i have ps3 and 360 for games hah
[12:57] <foxx> After using the system for awhile now i've been thinking MS should just pull out of Windows and just do game systems...they're shockingly good for it
[12:57] <foxx> I hated to say it back when we bought an XBox but console systems seem to be where their ideology flourishes.
[12:57] <BWolf85> PS3 kills xbox 360 but needs better games
[12:58] <foxx> I dunno, I disagree from a hardware and third party perspective, but that's another story.  I'm just glad we have two systems to choose from. ;)
[12:58] <ReMiiRuru> foxx: it's three, I like to count Wii in as well.
[12:58] <BWolf85> i wish i had a wii too hah
[12:59] <foxx> ReMiiRuru: I like the Wii, I just don't compare it to those.  Just doesn't seem fair since PS3/360 are for a totally different audience.
[12:59] <foxx> For what the Wii does there's just nothing that competes.  class of its own
[12:59] <BWolf85> though i do agree 360/ps3 would eat a wii for breakfast if you truely compare the systems
[12:59] <BWolf85> THOUGH you can put ubuntu on PS3
[12:59] <ReMiiRuru> Actually for me it was more like a joice of 360+Wii VS ps3
[12:59] <ReMiiRuru> *choice
[01:00] <foxx> Yeah, that's for us, too.  PS3 just doesn't have the hardware or the software I want.  I'm glad it's there though for people that like it...wouldn't be fun console gaming without variety, after all
[01:00] <foxx> When Sony puts God of War on PS3 I'll say it's time for us to get one.  ;)
[01:01] <VSpike> mm that's quite nice: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KIO+Slave+sysinfo:++-+Kubuntu+7.04+pkg?content=58704
[01:01] <BWolf85> god of war 2 was ehh but i love gw
[01:01] <Sergo-Kubuntu> i use kopete and i don't know how to exit icq and use irc
[01:01] <ReMiiRuru> But anyway I use DS the most, I just don't seem to have time to play games at home.
[01:01] <Sergo-Kubuntu> anyone now
[01:01] <Sergo-Kubuntu> know
[01:01] <BWolf85> what do u mean exit icq and use irc
[01:02] <BWolf85> isnt there an icon at the bottom of the program u can right click on then choose disconnect
[01:02] <RawSewage> BWolf85, use Konversation
[01:02] <BWolf85> i use konversation for irc
[01:02] <RawSewage> oh
[01:02] <BWolf85> was referting to sergo's question
[01:02] <VSpike> RawSewage: you meant that for Sergo-Kubuntu I think
[01:02] <BWolf85> or so i though lol
[01:03] <RawSewage> sorry
[01:03] <Sergo-Kubuntu> how to exit ICQ kopete and to use back irc anyone know
[01:03] <Sergo-Kubuntu> kopete irc
[01:03] <foxx> ReMiiRuru: I know what you mean.  We're the opposite way, no time for portable systems, lots of time for home consoles.
[01:04] <BWolf85> portable system seemed limited to me but trust me they did come in handy during highschool
[01:04] <ReMiiRuru> foxx: Yeah, I know people like that as well :)
[01:04] <foxx> Yeah, we just live on an island quite literally in the middle of nowhere.
[01:04] <foxx> Not exactly anywhere to use one.
[01:04] <foxx> And if we're at home...well, it's 360 + Linux time for us.
[01:04] <sayers> I was inable to get WiFi to work on the laptop. Anything special I had to do?
[01:05] <illriginal> Hey what's up guys? I have a question about Edgy Vs. Fiesty which is more reliable as of now?
[01:05] <foxx> sayers: That depends.  Are you using ndiswrapper?
[01:05] <foxx> illriginal: Feisty, easily
[01:05] <illriginal> really?
[01:05] <luca> hi everyone
[01:05] <sayers> foxx: not sure, I never installed it. Just the CD
[01:05] <luca> is it possible to make firefox more integrated in KDE?
[01:05] <foxx> illriginal: Well, Check out the UbuntuForums.  Number of Edgy problems reported are far more than Feisty problems
[01:05] <BWolf85> fiesty is the newer version illriginal so it will be supported more now. if there were improvements needed to be made then the wouldnt have updated
[01:06] <illriginal> well that's good to know foxx and BWolf85 :D
[01:06] <luca> I'd like to use Konqueror for file browsing and Kmail for mail instead of Firefox firing up Nautilus and Evolution
[01:06] <illriginal> yeah foxx... I've seen a quite a lot of complaints on Edgy
[01:06] <foxx> illriginal: Sure thing. I really like Feisty and this is coming from a Gentoo user
[01:06] <Sergo-Kubuntu> RawSewage i know about Konvestation but Kopete have more advantages
[01:06] <illriginal> niiiice
[01:06] <sayers> !wifi|Sayers
[01:06] <BWolf85> get feisty illriginal
[01:06] <RawSewage> Sergo-Kubuntu, ok
[01:06] <illriginal> yeah I downloaded and I'm gonna burn it onto a disc
[01:06] <foxx> Well, Gentoo and Slackware.  (Oh yeah, we don't use use Linux, we USE Linux)
[01:07] <illriginal> just a quick question, have they made it easier on the compatibility of Wireless connections?
[01:07] <sayers> ?
[01:07] <BWolf85> yes from what i hear they are better at wifi
[01:07] <nitro4ce> is it possible to convert my disk (ext3) to ext4?
[01:07] <illriginal> sweeet
[01:07] <foxx> illriginal: As much as possible.  *Most* will work out of the box.  Sometimes you may still need to open up a wpa_supplicant.conf but pretty much, yeah
[01:07] <illriginal> that's good to read :D
[01:08] <illriginal> very good gentlemen, thank you very much for answering my questions
[01:08] <BWolf85> the ubuntu site offeres a LOT of information about wifi
[01:08] <sayers> How would I install the ndiswrapper foxx ? If it doesnt have connections to the interweb
[01:08] <VSpike> luca: I'm sure I found an article on that once, but I can't find it now :/
[01:08] <illriginal> thanks again foxx and BWolf85
[01:08] <luca> VSpike ok thanks anyway :) anyone else?
[01:08] <BWolf85> np ill
[01:09] <foxx> sayers: Chances are it'll be available off the CD
[01:09] <foxx> sayers: If not you'll need to get it to the wpa_supplicant and ndiswrapper DEB files to the system some other way, like by way of USB key
[01:09] <nitro4ce> does anyone know?
[01:09] <VSpike> luca: http://konquefox.free.fr/ looks interesting
[01:10] <foxx> sayers: At least, this is how to do it the "hard" way in Slackware (if it works in one it should work in another)
[01:10] <VSpike> luca: I know what you mean, especially on the GTK file picker.  I also use Evolution, and have the same problem
[01:10] <foxx> If you've got a Windows-only driver board (like a Broadcom) then you'll need to use NDISwrapper to use it
[01:10] <discernir> Hi. Newbie here. How do I enable 3d acceleration for nvidia card (on a toshiba m200)?
[01:11] <BWolf85> yes i have a broadcom and you do ndiswrapper
[01:11] <VSpike> So really, none of you serial upgrade junkies intstalled the KDE 3.5.7 packages yet?  That's amazing!
[01:11] <sayers> foxx: how would I run it with it then if it Comes with the cd
[01:11] <foxx> VSpike: When it's available for update I'll do it, but otherwise KDE 3.5 is KDE 3.5 to me.
[01:11] <foxx> sayers: chances are it's already installed.  Easy way to tell is pull up a console and type "lspci" or "sudo lspci"
[01:12] <VSpike> foxx: What do you mean, available for update?  Add one lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list and it will be
[01:12] <foxx> If you see your WiFi card there in the output then congrats, your WiFi card is recognized.
[01:12] <foxx> VSpike: I mean in the standard universe/multiverse/medibuntu repositories.  Honestly I don't really venture outside of those much.
[01:12] <luca> VSpike: it is interesting, but still not what I look for :) thanks anyway :)
[01:13] <foxx> VSpike: If I muck with a sources.list too much I might forget just what exactly is installed on the system and that's a scary state for me
[01:13] <foxx> VSpike: not to mention installing Kubuntu on another system would mean I'd need to remember what repositories to use in case I don't have a backup...the little inconveniences continue.
[01:14] <discernir> Hi and greetings from Bolivia  :) Could anyone help me on enabling 3D acceleration in Kubuntu for a laptop with a geforce card? Thanks, Badi
[01:14] <foxx> sayers: Now if you DON'T see your WiFi card then there's some trouble.  You can check to see if ndiswrapper is installed from the LiveCD but chances are it already is
[01:14] <VSpike> foxx: I know what you mean. I went a little crazy on adding new repos to my edgy system, and it became very flakey
[01:14] <VSpike> foxx: That's why I want someone *else* to test these for me first!
[01:15] <foxx> sayers: If it's not connecting but you see your WiFi card don't worry, that just means it's an actual connection issue instead of a hardware recognition issue (much easier to fix than hardware)
[01:15] <foxx> VSpike: Yeah, I tend to like to keep the standard repos.  If I absolutely HAVE to have something not in the multiverse I'll just download the .deb so I know exactly where it is
[01:16] <foxx> VSpike: I've had enough systems die on me for various reasons to make me paranoid about getting too complacent with any one
[01:16] <VSpike> foxx: http://dot.kde.org/1179831426/ makes it sound tempting though ;)
[01:16] <maltaethiron> Hey, how do I relaunch the desktop if it's failed?
[01:17] <foxx> VSpike: I dunno, nothing in there I care too terribly much about minus KDevelop.
[01:17] <foxx> VSpike: I don't use the PIM suite.  Storing those kinds of things *generally* speaking always strikes me as a bad idea
[01:17] <XBehave> if im using an edgy install instead ofa fiesty lvie cd will i need to change my repos to use bootstrap or will i be ok?
[01:18] <bdgraue> so, no one can help me with isdn in feisty, avm fritzcard pci? then i have to try other distros?  :-((
[01:19] <BWolf85> isdn? sorry im TERRIBLE with acronyms
[01:19] <VSpike> maltaethiron: depends what you mean.. are you at a command prompt?
[01:19] <cavveman> Hi. I can't use my soundcard. I have a SoundMax AD1986a. How do I configure Alsa so it can work in kubuntu?
[01:19] <BWolf85> !sound
[01:19] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:19] <VSpike> maltaethiron: or you want to kill a running session?
[01:19] <delight> are there plans for debs of kdevelop 3.4.1 on kubuntu.org ?
[01:19] <Rictoo__> guys
[01:20] <BWolf85> yes rictoo
[01:20] <Rictoo__> how would I get aprocess list from console?
[01:20] <maltaethiron> VSpike: well, i booted my computer, and everything is working fine, but there was a KDE crash message up when i started, and it said the desktop crashed
[01:20] <Rictoo__> how would I get a process list from console?
[01:20] <BWolf85> rictoo: K > system > KSysGuard
[01:20] <Rictoo__> no
[01:20] <Rictoo__> from console
[01:20] <delight> Rictoo__: ps or maybe pstree
[01:21] <delight> ps aux
[01:21] <BWolf85> ksysguard in console will do it
[01:21] <Rictoo__> nope
[01:21] <Rictoo__> oh, BWolf85 I'll try
[01:21] <VSpike> delight: http://dot.kde.org/1179831426/ & http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[01:22] <Rictoo__> no
[01:22] <Rictoo__> Of course it won't work
[01:22] <Rictoo__> IM IN CONSOLE
[01:22] <Rictoo__> NO KDE OR ANYTHING -.-'
[01:22] <BWolf85> just worked for me hah
[01:22] <VSpike> Rictoo__: htop is the best process manager for console.  sudo apt-get install htop
[01:23] <achille> qualche italiano?
[01:23] <delight> VSpike: I got this repo and kde 3.5.7 installed but there was no kdevelop 3.4.1 in it yet ... question is are they on the way?
[01:23] <BWolf85> yes ricto do what vspike said i just followed it and it does work
[01:24] <VSpike> delight: hmm that's odd the first link definitely says it's included
[01:24] <achille> kkmok
[01:24] <VSpike> delight: I haven't installed those repos yet - was just trying to find if anyone had
[01:24] <delight> the first link is from kde ... the second from kubuntu ... kubuntu only got the kde packages up till now in there repos
[01:25] <delight> VSpike: i did on my feisty i386
[01:25] <delight> works great for me
[01:25] <delight> and i got tons of software isntalled on my box
[01:26] <KevinAlaska> How do I type with a keyboard? ;)
[01:26] <VSpike> delight: if they are in gutsy you can use prevu to backport them
[01:26] <VSpike> I only discovered that recently. It's very neat
[01:26] <delight> VSpike: don't know about prevu ... what is that ?
[01:26] <maltaethiron> vspike: so is there any hope for my desktop? lol
[01:27] <sayers_> !wifi|sayers
[01:27] <ubotu> sayers: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:27] <VSpike> !prevu
[01:27] <ubotu> prevu is an automated, personal backporting utility. Check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Prevu for more details
[01:27] <maltaethiron> !kde
[01:27] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.6 for Feisty and Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[01:27] <maltaethiron> !desktop
[01:27] <ubotu> A desktop environment is what "puts the pieces of a !GUI together". The available desktop environments in Ubuntu are !GNOME (ubuntu-desktop), !KDE (kubuntu-desktop), !Xfce (xubuntu-desktop), IceWM, !Fluxbox, WindowMaker (wmaker), FVWM  and others.
[01:28] <VSpike> delight: the wiki is pretty detailed.  I used it to backport the gutsy packages of dovecot-imap 1.0 release to feisty
[01:28] <delight> VSpike: thnx ;) strange thing is they have the new umbrello in it but not the new kdevelop
[01:28] <BWolf85> where is everyone from
[01:28] <VSpike> maltaethiron: so you say everything is working OK now? Do you know what the exact error was?
[01:28] <KevinAlaska> are there problems installing gnome with a native kubuntu installation?
[01:29] <delight> VSpike: i backported a lot of things on my debian box ... kept it in stable and got me packages from testing / unstable ;)
[01:29] <delight> VSpike: this looks even more easy ;)
[01:30] <VSpike> delight: I guess sometimes they will work without recompiling, but this recompiles them from source against the libs on your system.  I think
[01:34] <maltaethiron> vspike: i know that it said "KDE Crash Handler" and said something about the desktop crashing.  All my apps work just fine, but i can't see any icons on the desktop, or right click, for example.
[01:34] <K-Ryan> The desktop process probably isn't running
[01:35] <K-Ryan> Tried restarting X?
[01:35] <KevinAlaska> How do you register in Freenode?
[01:35] <VSpike> maltaethiron: you could do alt-F2 and run "kdestop"
[01:35] <VSpike> maltaethiron: "kdesktop" i mean
[01:35] <maltaethiron> vspike: if i do that, will it end this current session?
[01:35] <K-Ryan> Try what VSpike said maltaethiron
[01:35] <VSpike> maltaethiron: nope
[01:35] <K-Ryan> No, it won't
[01:36] <K-Ryan> It will just restart the desktop process
[01:36] <VSpike> maltaethiron: that's the next step if all else fails.. just log out and back in again :)
[01:36] <maltaethiron> ok, and how do i get out of alt-F2, because ive been stuck in there before
[01:36] <maltaethiron> lol
[01:36] <K-Ryan> Hit escape
[01:36] <maltaethiron> k
[01:36] <RawSewage> maltaethiron, are you on a laptop
[01:36] <VSpike> must go sleep... good luck maltaethiron
[01:36] <VSpike> night all
[01:36] <K-Ryan> Night VSpike
[01:36] <maltaethiron> yes RawSewage, thanks vspike
[01:37] <RawSewage> I installed Kubuntu on my laptop the other day, and it works fine, but I have some random crashes
[01:37] <RawSewage> I dont have crashes on my destop, which also has Kubuntu
[01:37] <K-Ryan> maltaethiron: did running kdesktop fix it?
[01:37] <RawSewage> run kicker too
[01:38] <maltaethiron> alt f2 didnt work, ima try to run it from Konsole
[01:38] <RawSewage> maltaethiron, what kind of laptop
[01:38] <maltaethiron> a Dell Latitude D505
[01:38] <RawSewage> oh
[01:38] <RawSewage> mine's a Toshiba
[01:39] <RawSewage> I bet it has something to do with laptop power management app
[01:39] <K-Ryan> maltaethiron: Unless ending your current session is a big deal you can always just ctrl+alt+backspace(restart X)
[01:39] <klobster> anyone try an install on a fujitsu stylistic 3400?
[01:39] <BWolf85> anyone like to know my biggest excitement with kubuntu?
[01:40] <maltaethiron> k-ryan, rawsewage: i ran kdesktop from Konsole, and it worked fine
[01:40] <K-Ryan> Sure BWolf85
[01:40] <klobster> BWolf85 yeah
[01:40] <K-Ryan> maltaethiron: Ah, then all is well. Glad to hear.
[01:40] <BWolf85> I can make my P4 laptop last almost 2 and a half hours
[01:40] <K-Ryan> Cool
[01:40] <maltaethiron> Thanks, now I get to go write my Senior Project on Dorian Gray and Macbeth....fun fun
[01:40] <maltaethiron> peace
[01:40] <klobster> BWolf85 not bad!
[01:40] <BWolf85> yah compaired with windows i could barely make a full hour
[01:41] <K-Ryan> See ya' maltaethiron
[01:41] <ReMiiRuru> What is the simplest way to setup writing with japanese input? Something like windows IME, I don't know how stuff like that is called under linux...
[01:42] <RadiantFire> ReMiiRuru: scim/skim
[01:42] <RadiantFire> ReMiiRuru: there are some really complicated instructions floating around somewhere on how to do it
[01:43] <ReMiiRuru> RadiantFire: Well, good to know how it's called, bad thing is it's complicated @_@
[01:44] <joey_> gay
[01:45] <RadiantFire> ReMiiRuru: there are indepth i nstructions, they are just long
[01:45] <RadiantFire> ReMiiRuru: I think there are 4 or 5 steps, but I know my technologically illiterate friend was able to do it without help
[01:45] <RadiantFire> ReMiiRuru: they are floating around on the forums
[01:46] <BWolf85> wheres the batter ap
[01:46] <sergiu> it is possible to replace konqueror with dolphin?
[01:47] <RawSewage> no
[01:47] <sergiu> for kubuntu
[01:47] <RawSewage> KDE4 will have both
[01:47] <RawSewage> you can install Dolphin
[01:47] <ReMiiRuru> RadiantFire: Oh, thats much better, now I'm not discouraged to try ^_^
[01:47] <RawSewage> Dolphin isnt meant as a Konq replacement
[01:47] <sergiu> RawSewage: do you mean that kde4 when will be realised will include dolphin as file manager
[01:47] <sergiu> ?
[01:47] <RawSewage> yes
[01:48] <RawSewage> but it will still have Konqueror
[01:48] <RawSewage> you can install Dolphin now if you want
[01:48] <RadiantFire> the current incarnation of dolphin is highly... unimpressive
[01:48] <RadiantFire> most of the development is happening for KDE4
[01:48] <RadiantFire> which the current version of dolphin doesn't have
[01:49] <RawSewage> is that why Kubuntu didnt get all those new features that Ubuntu did
[01:49] <RadiantFire> ?
[01:49] <RadiantFire> what do you mean?
[01:49] <RawSewage> Restricted Driver Manager, for one
[01:49] <RawSewage> Compiz 1-click enable
[01:50] <RawSewage> and some other things
[01:50] <RadiantFire> they are coming for gutsy I think
[01:50] <RawSewage> oh
[01:50] <BWolf85> im bored
[01:50] <RadiantFire> but yeah, but we got an xserver configurator and they didn't
[01:50] <Minataku> Heehee... Gassy Giraffe. That can be the next version. XD
[01:50] <RawSewage> RadiantFire, Whats that.  I dont know about that
[01:51] <RadiantFire> RawSewage: the display & monitor module in system settings has no corresponding gnome equivalent
[01:51] <RadiantFire> well, it does, but its not default installed yet
[01:51] <RawSewage> you mean the thing that lists all the different brands of monitors
[01:52] <RawSewage> thats new for Feisty?
[01:52] <sergiu> who have xp with kopete..
[01:52] <RadiantFire> RawSewage: it has new powers
[01:52] <RawSewage> oh
[01:53] <tj__> hello everyone
[01:53] <RadiantFire> i personally think being able to control resolutio from the gui is more useful than a restircted manager, but thas just me
[01:53] <K-Ryan> Hi there tj__!
[01:53] <RadiantFire> hello tj__
[01:54] <Minataku> tj__, come on down, you're the next contestant on... THE PRICE IS RIGHT
[01:54] <Minataku> Not that it'll be the same after this year
[01:54] <Minataku> Though it really hasn't been the same since Rod Roddy died :(
[01:54] <tj__> sorry at work and on the phones lol
[01:55] <tj__> simple question ok well not really but go with it lol
[01:55] <Sergo-Kubuntu> when i lunch kopete there is icq windows but i want to chose another messenger
[01:55] <Sergo-Kubuntu> how to do
[01:55] <RawSewage> Controlling resolution in Monitor panel isnt new to Feisty though
[01:57] <tj__> when sitting at the pc and starting beryl-manager it says detected NVIDIA but if for just testing purposes i loaunch while in an NX session it says detected AIGLX does anyone know if there is really any difference??
[01:57] <j1tters> hey all. can someone help with a quick stupid question.
[01:57] <Minataku> j1tters: As long as it's not too stupid.
[01:57] <ni1s> j1tters: sure
[01:58] <j1tters> ok. usb 2.0 drive plugged in. formatted. shows everywhere. how in the heck to i get it to show in thunar or krusader or whatever. i can see it under /dev/sda but cant actuall open it.
[01:58] <j1tters> am i just a retard
[01:59] <Minataku> You need to mount it, or if it automounts, open up where it gets mounted to
[01:59] <j1tters> all i want to do is copy a drive over to it. but im just looking for an icon or something.
[01:59] <K-Ryan> No j1tters, you aren't a retard =P
[01:59] <j1tters> it shows under gparted. its formated etc.
[01:59] <klobster> it should automount, did it create an icon on your desktop?  where is this "everywhere" you are seeing it?
[02:00] <j1tters> no. no icon on desktop.
[02:00] <klobster> check in /media?
[02:00] <j1tters> nope
[02:00] <j1tters> not there
[02:00] <tj__> hmmm guess no one has the answer to mine huh.... grrrr lol
[02:00] <Sergo-Kubuntu> anyone know how to change kopete protocol
[02:00] <j1tters> can i mount it under gparted or ... another way?
[02:00] <K-Ryan> tj__: Ask again or wait around, someone is bound to have an answer.
[02:00] <tj__> lol
[02:01] <tj__> when sitting at the pc and starting beryl-manager it says detected NVIDIA but if for just testing purposes i loaunch while in an NX session it says detected AIGLX does anyone know if there is really any difference??
[02:01] <BWolf85> tj questions get lost with a fast chat
[02:01] <j1tters> gparted shows it as unmounted but gives me no way to mount it.
[02:02] <tazz> i am having a problem configuring my eth1 interface, is there any lan configuration tool for kubuntu as there is one for ubuntu?
[02:02] <klobster> tj_ sorry, thats a tough one
[02:02] <BWolf85> eth1 being wifi tazz
[02:02] <Sergo-Kubuntu> can i remove kopete from kubuntu?
[02:02] <tazz> BWolf85, no its my rj45 lancard
[02:02] <j1tters> whats the best way to mount /dev/sda
[02:02] <klobster> j1tters no gparted won't mount it.  hold on
[02:02] <j1tters> k
[02:02] <BWolf85> oh eth1 on my laptop is wifi sorry
[02:03] <tazz> np
[02:03] <pulaski> hello
[02:03] <zarilion> Im having some trouble loging in after installing the nvidia drivers>< running irssi from command line now:P
[02:03] <K-Ryan> Hi there pulaski!
[02:03] <Minataku> /dev/sdb1 on /mnt/external type ufs (ro)
[02:03] <Minataku> Heehee
[02:03] <BWolf85> whats the card doing though taxx
[02:04] <zarilion> dont seeme to be able to start x-server
[02:04] <tj__> zarilion
[02:04] <tj__> hey
[02:04] <tj__> same prob with NVIDIA a while back
[02:04] <K-Ryan> zarilion: Did you modify your xorg.conf?
[02:04] <Minataku> I formatted a floppy on my Sun Ultra 2 to have a UFS filesystem
[02:04] <tj__> what did you install restricted drivers or ??
[02:04] <zarilion> K-Ryan: no. dunno if the installer did it but
[02:04] <Minataku> As a result it also has a Solaris SPARC disklabel
[02:04] <K-Ryan> zarilion: Installer?
[02:05] <zarilion> tj__: did a sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[02:05] <tazz> BWolf85, i have to configure dns - 202.144.115.4, but i dont know how to do this.
[02:05] <tj__> weird
[02:05] <K-Ryan> Oh okay, that kind of an installer...
[02:05] <pulaski> Hi K-Ryan, I need to use kubuntu feisty fawn efax to send a fax using my modem.  My /dev/ttyS0 is not the correct device.  Do you know what kubuntu calls the modem or how I can find out?
[02:05] <K-Ryan> zarilion: There is a different package, are you sure that's not what you needed?
[02:05] <tj__> remove that...... and try ... wait have to find mine lol
[02:05] <Minataku> Thankfully I have support for that compiled into my kernel
[02:05] <K-Ryan> Then there are also the legacy drivers.
[02:06] <K-Ryan> pulaski: I myself have not dealt with efax, but I'm sure someone in the channel has so stick around and someone is bound to help you.
[02:06] <pulaski> thanks
[02:06] <tj__> hmmm you know hwat i used automatix for that actually.....
[02:06] <tj__> opps what
[02:06] <zarilion> K-Ryan: i have been using ubuntu for about 2 months now and always have been using those drivers.. but today i installed kubuntu and got this problem:P
[02:07] <tj__> download automatix... use the nvidia drivers from it... gthat gives you the nvidia control panel too
[02:07] <K-Ryan> zarilion: Strange... Uninstall them for now.
[02:07] <K-Ryan> Never ever ever use automatix!
[02:07] <Minataku> NO
[02:07] <Minataku> !automatix
[02:07] <K-Ryan> !automatix | tj__
[02:07] <zarilion> K-Ryan: didnt:P
[02:07] <tinin> could someone tell me how do i install a few packages at the same time inside a folder?
[02:07] <j1tters> i need to walk away. be back in a bit.
[02:08] <tj__> well the long way takes a while to explain that at least gets things started in the right direction
[02:08] <klobster> doh!
[02:08] <Minataku> tj__: No, it just breaks things
[02:08] <ni1s> Why should I avoid automatix?
[02:08] <Minataku> Very badly
[02:08] <ni1s> ah
[02:08] <tj__> wow really
[02:08] <Minataku> Yes
[02:08] <K-Ryan> Yes really
[02:08] <tj__> never had a prob yet since 5.04 i think lol
[02:08] <K-Ryan> Often times it breaks stuff so bad you need to do a clean isntall.
[02:08] <Minataku> ubotu would tell you that if it wasn't completely dead
[02:08] <zarilion> K-Ryan: dont kubuntu have the restricted drivers manager as ubuntu have?
[02:08] <pulaski> K-Ryan, efax is not my problem. I need to know how to find out what the /dev/name is for my modem?
[02:08] <tj__> got tired of spending an hour in the shell typing building etc etc....
[02:09] <K-Ryan> pulaski: Sorry, not sure =/
[02:09] <pulaski> ok good enough
[02:09] <Minataku> pulaski: IS there a /dev/modem ?
[02:09] <pulaski> no
[02:09] <K-Ryan> zarilion: I'm not sure, I was trying to figure that out the other day
[02:10] <tj__> zarilion... check xorg file and see what default res is setr to
[02:10] <zarilion> K-Ryan: whats the command to start up KDM from the terminal to see what the loader says?
[02:10] <K-Ryan> Err....
[02:11] <Minataku> pulaski: Hm
[02:11] <Minataku> I don't happen to have a working modem, so I can't help either... sorry :(
[02:11] <tj__> if default res is set to 16 or 24 nvidia drivers usually wont start... mine has to be set to 32 to have X start.... dont know why im not that deep into it but only thing that works on this end on a geforce 7
[02:11] <pulaski> thanks for considering this Minataku
[02:12] <Minataku> np
[02:12] <pulaski> it is a standard data/fax us robotics modem that kubunt had a driver for
[02:12] <Minataku> pulaski: You can keep poking things and see if any of them are it
[02:12] <klobster> pulaski: did you look here? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=133409
[02:12] <zarilion> how do i open the xorg.conf file? im in the dir but dunno how to open it:P
[02:12] <david2> edit it as root
[02:12] <tj__> sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:12] <Minataku> It might also not be set to "COM1" aka ttyS0
[02:12] <K-Ryan> you need to be in root
[02:13] <david2> in a text editor
[02:13] <pulaski> well yes thanks
[02:13] <K-Ryan> sudo nano /ect/X11/xorg.conf
[02:13] <Minataku> Try the other ttySn devices
[02:13] <Minataku> One of them might be it
[02:13] <tj__> to escape type <esc> :q! to exit or <esc> :x to save
[02:13] <tj__> lol
[02:13] <tj__> nevermind hehehe
[02:13] <klobster> pulaski: sorry, wrong click https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[02:14] <pulaski> good thanks klobster
[02:14] <zarilion> default its set to 640x480><
[02:14] <K-Ryan> I wish I had something to type up, I want to play with nano =)
[02:14] <tj__> no not res... the default depth sorry
[02:16] <Minataku> Heehee, I have a floppy disk with a Solaris SPARC disklabel and a UFS filesystem :3
[02:16] <zarilion> tj__: 24
[02:16] <tj__> change to 32 see what happens
[02:17] <klobster> pulaski: HTH
[02:18] <tj__> zarilion can i send my xorg file through here to you... never really used this... but you could use for comparision
[02:18] <K-Ryan> !pastebin
[02:18] <K-Ryan> Oh yeah, ubotu is dead
[02:19] <K-Ryan> paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[02:19] <K-Ryan> I'm not sure if he could view it though..
[02:19] <tj__> hmmm
[02:20] <klobster> !ubotu dead?
[02:21] <ivanaldo> e aeeeeeeeeeee
[02:21] <Minataku> Yep
[02:21] <Minataku> ubotu is completely unresponsive
[02:21] <ivanaldo> it
[02:21] <ivanaldo> by
[02:21] <tj__> did that work?
[02:21] <klobster> ?
[02:22] <tj__> sorry.... zarilion did that work changing to 32
[02:22] <zarilion> tj__: hmm. nop. still only get a blinking bar on the top of the screen
[02:23] <Zeelot> helooooooooooo
[02:23] <zarilion> tj__: where is the backup xorg.conf file?? its gone:P
[02:23] <K-Ryan> It should be in the same place as the xorg.conf
[02:23] <tj__> should be in the same direct. call xorg.conf.1 or something
[02:23] <Solifugus> Anyone get vmware server to install?
[02:23] <Solifugus> on feisty fawn, that is
[02:23] <Zeelot> vmware workstation?
[02:24] <Zeelot> or is that different
[02:24] <Minataku> No, server
[02:24] <Minataku> The free one
[02:24] <zarilion> tj__: ahh. found it:) now how do i swap em out again?
[02:24] <Zeelot> omg there's a free one >_<
[02:24] <Solifugus> Does workstation let you create images and run them or just run them?
[02:24] <Minataku> Solifugus: No, that's server
[02:24] <Zeelot> create images?
[02:24] <Zeelot> from what
[02:24] <tj__> you have mc installed??
[02:24] <Solifugus> install operating systems
[02:25] <Zeelot> yea can
[02:25] <Zeelot> you can*
[02:25] <Solifugus> oh wait.. workstation in not freely available.. is it?
[02:25] <Zeelot> guess not
[02:25] <Solifugus> well then.. server...
[02:25] <Zeelot> since it's not free? =P
[02:25] <zarilion> tj__: mc?
[02:25] <Zeelot> never used server
[02:25] <tj__> man lol i just blanked on how to rename file from command line lol
[02:25] <Solifugus> I had it server worked on the previous kubuntu
[02:25] <zarilion> hehe
[02:26] <Zeelot> mv?
[02:26] <tj__> i always use MC aka midnight commander
[02:26] <Solifugus> tj__:   mv  filefrom fileto
[02:26] <Minataku> I've used VMWare Server
[02:26] <tj__> thanks.... ok whats the file name for the backup xorg file
[02:26] <Minataku> If you don't mind having proprietary modules taint the kernel, it's fairly excellent
[02:26] <zarilion> its xorg.conf.1
[02:27] <K-Ryan> See ya' guys
[02:27] <tj__> ok so first sudo rm xorg.conf
[02:27] <zarilion> bb:)
[02:27] <Solifugus> Minataku: i don't.. but it says it fails in building the vmmon kernel module
[02:27] <tj__> then mv xorg.conf.1 xorg.conf
[02:27] <Minataku> Solifugus: The whole error being...?
[02:27] <underdog5004> how can I check to see how much of my disk is free?
[02:28] <Minataku> df
[02:28] <tj__> ok dumb question... private (red messages) how? lol
[02:28] <Minataku> underdog5004: Better is df -h
[02:28] <underdog5004> lol, I was so close...I was thinking mf...thanks!
[02:28] <zarilion> tj__: tnx:) ill try now:)
[02:28] <Minataku> no problem
[02:28] <underdog5004> Minataku, I know...I've asked here like 4 times already...
[02:28] <underdog5004> thank you thank you thank you
[02:28] <Minataku> I like the one Gentoo provides
[02:28] <Minataku> "di"
[02:28] <Minataku> Much better
[02:29] <tj__> zarilion good luck ;)
[02:29] <osiris> any idea how to remedy this
[02:29] <osiris> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ExceptionInInitializerError
[02:29] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[02:29] <ubotu> tj__: please see above
[02:29] <Solifugus> Minataku: The last line is "Unable to build the vmmon module"
[02:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dead? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:30] <Minataku> Believe me, ub^Hbotu, I _don't_ think you're intelligent
[02:30] <killux> can you get quickbooks on kubuntu
[02:30] <tj__> huh? was that directed to me?
[02:30] <Minataku> tj__: Ignore it
[02:30] <tj__> lol
[02:30] <Minataku> It's waaaaaaaaaay lagged out
[02:30] <killux> what is quickbooks
[02:30] <killux> ?
[02:31] <zarilion> tj__: no change:(
[02:31] <tj__> hey minataku is that a private message that you sent or ???
[02:31] <tj__> hmmmmm
[02:31] <Solifugus> Minataku: The error in compilation seems to be three lines, similar to this error: /tmp/vmware-config4/vmmon-only/./include/compat_kernel.h:21: error: expected declaration specifiers or ... before compat_exit
[02:31] <klobster> !gnucash
[02:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnucash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:31] <tj__> well do this
[02:31] <Minataku> tj__: If you're using XChat, messages are in red when your nickname is in them
[02:31] <tj__> sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:31] <tj__> that will get you back to basics at least
[02:31] <tj__> start fresh
[02:32] <tj__> oh ok
[02:32] <klobster> killux: ? no quickbooks for linux, gnucash is similar or kmymoney
[02:32] <tj__> thought it was a private or something lol
[02:32] <Minataku> Nah
[02:32] <Minataku> Just a feature
[02:32] <killux> klobster: can you emulate it?
[02:33] <tj__> thats actually good especially with all the text rolling out on here
[02:33] <tj__> brb
[02:33] <Minataku> Indeed
[02:33] <klobster> http://appdb.winehq.org/search.php?sSearchQuery=quicken
[02:33] <Solifugus> Maybe I will need to re-install the older version of kubuntu... and say good bye to fiesty fawn.
[02:34] <klobster> killux: ^^ see above
[02:34] <klobster> erp over 20 sec lag
[02:34] <zarilion> tj__: what now? pretty new to all the command stuff:P
[02:34] <tinin> how do i instal a lot of packages that i have inside a folder please?
[02:34] <don> it?
[02:35] <Minataku> !it | don
[02:35] <ubotu> don: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:35] <tj__> well if you did all that sucessfully start x
[02:35] <tj__> dpkg -i<then select all and drag to command line> at least thats the way i do it ;)
[02:36] <klobster> tinin: right click on said package, choose actions - install
[02:36] <jaevel> is there a way to check if my kernel and nvidia driver are the same version?
[02:36] <tinin> they are a lot of compiz git packages
[02:37] <tinin> tj__ i'll try that
[02:37] <tj__> well why not use the repository the just apt-get compiz etc.... i use trevinos repo and just apt-get beryl everything else needed installs on its own
[02:38] <tinin> mmmm
[02:38] <tj__> last time i donwloaded all the packages from there then did the install for all and wow a a nightmare for cleanup that was hrhehehe
[02:38] <Zeelot> is there a way to play a sound from the console?
[02:38] <Minataku> !info sox
[02:39] <tj__> ohhh good question that would be nice!!!
[02:39] <ubotu> sox: A universal sound sample translator. In component universe, is optional. Version 12.18.2-1 (feisty), package size 323 kB, installed size 748 kB
[02:39] <Minataku> Try that
[02:39] <Solifugus> Zeelot: I sometimes fart in my chair, while at the console.. that works..
[02:39] <Zeelot> aha
[02:39] <Minataku> It should provide a "play" command
[02:39] <tinin> tj__ i use that repo too, but i wanted to test compiz git with this: http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/xtra-debs/compiz-compcomm+git20070510-3v1test.tar.gz
[02:39] <Zeelot> Minataku: thanks
[02:39] <tinin> copy paste worked thanx
[02:40] <tinin> i hope compiz too
[02:40] <Minataku> Zeelot: np
[02:40] <Solifugus> Zeelot: (sorry.. i am having a bad day today)
[02:40] <tj__> well thats cool
[02:40] <Zeelot> =P
[02:41] <tj__> but those are all the core files you get when you apt-get compiz or something like beryl... when i do beryl it gives me emrerald, the kde controller etc... that package is for all the different parts you COULD need but many are useless depending on what "Buntu" youre using
[02:41] <zarilion> tj__: when i do the sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg i get the message: dpkg: unknown command --reconfigure
[02:42] <Zeelot> dpkg-reconfigure
[02:42] <tj__> lol opps sorry
[02:42] <Zeelot> ^_^
[02:43] <tinin> tj__ kubuntu, and beryl/compiz sux here, so i'm always looking something new and better
[02:43] <tj__> thanks zeelot was not thinking when i typoed that.....
[02:43] <tj__> really
[02:43] <tj__> wow wish i could let you see mine in action......
[02:44] <tj__> toned down the things not needed and rmaped up everything else.... works so fluid like and at my spped its nice
[02:44] <Zeelot> mine runs good exept videos with mplayer open up with 3 times the width they should for some reason...
[02:44] <tj__> but ok regardless (rabbit trail) try that package but be carefull al LOT of packages in there will not work with each other
[02:45] <Zeelot> I have to resize, drag resize, drag resize
[02:45] <tj__> hmmmmm  see with Automatix, then trevinos repo etc etc... aka the things everyone stays away from because they dont work> works great for me....  and all this wilth no probs on a DELL LAPTOP  ;)
[02:45] <zarilion> trying again then:P
[02:46] <jaevel> can someone help me figure out why my nvidia-glx driver is not working?
[02:47] <Minataku> Well, either way
[02:47] <tj__> see all previous conversation with zarlion....  whats going on
[02:47] <Minataku> !automatix
[02:47] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[02:47] <Minataku> !worksforme
[02:47] <tj__> ok that bot gets annoying FAST!
[02:47] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[02:47] <Zeelot> hehe
[02:47] <Minataku> Keep those both in mind, tj__
[02:47] <j1tters> can anyone tell me how to mount a usb drive?
[02:48] <Minataku> If you're gonna push Automatix I may ask you be removed from the channel
[02:48] <tj__> no i was commenting on how someone said that their beryl on kubuntu messed up and i.... ok whatever no pushing anything
[02:49] <zarilion> tj__: got it up now.. but cant get better resolution than 1024x768:P
[02:49] <tj__> well its a generic driver running right now......
[02:49] <dragonfly7> What file extension means it is a MPEG1 file?
[02:50] <dragonfly7> .mpeg1?
[02:50] <klobster> .mpg?
[02:50] <tj__> you could always go the long way..... my PREFRENCE let me repeat for clairty to thers PREFRENCE would then to be using the nvidia install
[02:50] <Minataku> dragonfly7: You don't need to give it one at all
[02:50] <Minataku> But yeah, .mpg is a good choice
[02:51] <jaevel> ok, i had the driver working, then i installed the newest driver and that killed it. so ive been trying to get it back to the original kernel and driver for the last few days....
[02:51] <dragonfly7> So if I had a program convert it to MPEG, and saved it as *.mpeg, I can just change it to *.mpg and it will be recognized as such by other programs? I am trying to create a video CD and k3b did not recognize it.
[02:52] <Minataku> dragonfly7: It has to be a specific format of MPEG for a VideoCD
[02:52] <Minataku> It has to be a certain resolution, bitrate, etc
[02:52] <dragonfly7> I am using avidemux, do you know anything about it?
[02:53] <Minataku> If you saw the file in k3b and it rejected it, changing the extension won't help, the file is encoded wrong
[02:53] <Minataku> Not a thing, sorry
[02:53] <dragonfly7> Ok, will I guess I will play around with these other formats.
[02:53] <j1tters> mount ? anyone?
[02:53] <dragonfly7> Does MPEG PS A+V sound right?
[02:54] <zarilion> tj__: the last line of questions from me:P how do i install the proper nvidia drivers so i dont get this f*** up again?
[02:54] <Minataku> dragonfly7: Look up VideoCD on Google
[02:54] <Minataku> And get the correct setup for a VCD friendly video file
[02:54] <Minataku> Then when you encode the file, use those settings
[02:54] <klobster> j1tters: what version of kubuntu are you running?
[02:55] <underdog5004> I'm just starting on shell scripting, and I was wondering if anyone would take a look at this and tell me that it's ok?        http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/22248/
[02:55] <Minataku> underdog5004: Well, does it run?
[02:55] <Minataku> If it runs and does what it's supposed to, it's okay. If not, then it's not. ;3
[02:56] <tj__> zarilion you can used the nvidia installer off nvidia website just make sure you have your kernel sources so it can compile a driver for your kernel or you could use the program that no one mentions its up to you... i have to log off my nx session and get out of work... will be home shortly and log back in if youre still here and need help ill be back in like 25 mins
[02:56] <underdog5004> Minataku, lol, I just wanted to make sure it's not gonna bork my system when I do run it
[02:56] <underdog5004> low chance, I know
[02:56] <Minataku> underdog5004: Well, that's why you don't write crap that could be dangerous when you're just starting :3
[02:56] <Solifugus> Version 6.06 Dapper was the one just before feisty fawn, right?
[02:56] <underdog5004> I guess...
[02:57] <tj__> 6.10 wasnt it?
[02:57] <zarilion> tj__: thanks for all your help:) ill try and get back to you if i fuck it up:P
[02:57] <tj__> lol
[02:57] <tj__> if you dont have the right stuff the nvidia wont work anyways
[02:57] <Solifugus> tj__: I am seeing 6.06.1 at http://ftp.wwc.edu/pub/mirrors/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/dapper/
[02:57] <tj__> if it does succed
[02:58] <Solifugus> I need to revert to the older kubuntu, so I can get vmware-server working.
[02:58] <tj__> it most likely will work
[02:58] <Solifugus> I know it works on the older version, cause i had it working before...
[02:59] <Solifugus> Or.. I could wipe out my second hard disk and put windows xp on it.
[02:59] <tj__> yeah tlook at the directory your in the one FOR dapper that was 6.06 then edgy eft 6.10 i think thien feisty
[02:59] <tj__> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh NO XP
[02:59] <tj__> lol
[03:00] <Solifugus> tj__: I need to do visual studio programming for me work... that's why i need the stinking vmware working..
[03:00] <tj__> oh
[03:00] <Solifugus> it's sad.. i really like feisty fawn
[03:00] <tj__> i use vmware workstation... you could try innotex virtual box it works really well to (at least for me)
[03:02] <tj__> solifugus i must admit i  bought vmware workstation.... my cell phone (go figure) and my video software (Vegas) just could not run under wine and no equiv. on linux
[03:03] <tj__> ok gotta run cant stay at work anyomre ahhhh lol
[03:03] <CraZy675> I've updated using Adept Updater to 7.04 from 6.10 now k3b, xine, vlc, adept don't seem to be working.  Starting with Adept I get the following error message:
[03:03] <CraZy675> its not able to commit the changes
[03:18] <polto> hello all
[03:18] <klobster> hello
[03:19] <phisrow> Greetings.
[03:20] <generic_noob01> Does anyone here have time to answer a quick question for me?
[03:20] <phisrow> I'll do my best.
[03:20] <generic_noob01> Is there anyway to get sound blaster x-fi fatal1ty xtremegamer profess1onal to work with kubuntu?
[03:20] <generic_noob01> There currently is no official support for it
[03:20] <polto> can sb help me? I'm doing a customized version of kubuntu LiveDVD. things are going well but i have a little question. How can i show partitions and not mounted disks on the KDE desktop ?
[03:22] <sayers_> Are there any tools that will record my mouse movement and clicks so it can repeat somthing
[03:22] <K-Ryan> Guess who!
[03:22] <phisrow> If there is some way to get an x-fi working at the moment, I don't know what they are.
[03:23] <klobster> polto: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-239981.html
[03:23] <phisrow> I know creative plans on doing something about that(probably a ghastly binary thing); but no dice as yet(so far as I know).
[03:23] <generic_noob01> ok :/
[03:23] <orlo> sayers - there must be a way to trap it
[03:24] <generic_noob01> klobster gave me a link that seems relevant
[03:24] <phisrow> Ok.
[03:24] <KanRiNiN> Hey, I unplugged my usb hard drive and it unmounted.  Is there a way to make it automount
[03:25] <generic_noob01> I guess i'll stay with xp until creative releases that driver
[03:26] <generic_noob01> My onboard soundcard doesn't work
[03:26] <generic_noob01> Thanks for all the help
[03:27] <klobster> oops, I must have addressed that to the wrong person, sorry.  Check the ALSA boards, maybe try the current driver?
[03:27] <polto> :)
[03:27] <polto> klobster, do you have some link for me ?
[03:28] <klobster> polto: I'm researching for you now.  I assume these partitions are already mounted (not usb, or firewire)?
[03:28] <ismail> hi all
[03:28] <klobster> generic_noob01: try the liveCD and see how it runs, it won't cvhange your system
[03:28] <ismail> im having troube making beryl work properly
[03:29] <ismail> emerald doesnt work
[03:29] <klobster> ismail: Nvidia, or ATI?
[03:29] <ismail> nvidia
[03:29] <klobster> beryl is running?
[03:29] <ismail> yeah
[03:29] <ismail> the engin is runing
[03:29] <ismail> but the decoration is not there
[03:30] <ismail> it disapear
[03:30] <ismail> s
[03:30] <generic_noob01> Card delivered to developers. Completely new architecture. Creative actively preventing support due to no datasheets being released to ALSA developers. Reverse engineering work not started due to lack of time.
[03:30] <polto> klobster, no . if i connect a flash it mount it and show it on the Desktop, but how to show linux and windows partitions of my computer from liveDVD on the Desktop ?
[03:31] <klobster> right click on the beryl ruby and tell me what window managers and window decorators are selected.
[03:31] <ismail> beryl
[03:31] <generic_noob01> Oh well, I guess i'll be back when new drivers come out or when i change my computer
[03:31] <ismail> and emerald
[03:32] <klobster> generic_noob01: try the liveCD and see how it runs, it won't cvhange your system
[03:32] <draik> Anyone here know how to get the Firefox plugin of DivX?
[03:32] <draik> !divx
[03:32] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:32] <klobster> ismail: it did this to me, let's see.
[03:32] <klobster> ismail: give me a sec.
[03:33] <ismail> wait in the konsol i get this
[03:33] <klobster> polto: and you are building a custom DVD?
[03:33] <ismail> No GLXFBConfig for depth 32
[03:33] <ismail> beryl: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32
[03:33] <klobster> ismail: when doing what?
[03:35] <klobster> polto:?
[03:35] <K-Ryan> Hey guys, earlier on I had opened up KInfoCenter and checked the Memory tab
[03:35] <K-Ryan> It says I have 0 kb of Swap
[03:35] <ismail> sorry
[03:35] <K-Ryan> But in the Partitions tab my Swap partition DOES show up
[03:36] <ismail> when i run beryl from the konsol
[03:36] <K-Ryan> How can I fix?
[03:37] <polto> klobster,  yes sorry i was out of my computer.
[03:37] <K-Ryan> Heheh
[03:37] <klobster> polto: you are building a custom DVD?
[03:37] <polto> klobster, yes i did.
[03:38] <klobster> did or are planning to?
[03:38] <polto> it work, i just need to show not mounted disks on the desktop
[03:38] <polto> did
[03:39] <K-Ryan> Anyone know what to do about my swap?
[03:39] <klobster> polto: I am afraid I don't quite understand what you are meaning
[03:40] <klobster> k-ryan do they show up under partitions
[03:40] <K-Ryan> Yeah the partition shows there
[03:41] <aroo>   Does anyone know why someone on my friends list can't read my Canna characters that I input with SCIM, but he can receive them from others?
[03:41] <aroo> (Kopete)
[03:41] <rubyat> K-Ryan: tried the swapon command?
[03:41] <klobster> what does it say about your swap(s) in partitions?
[03:41] <K-Ryan> Don't know how to use it
[03:41] <polto> klobster, i have my modified DVD, it boot work etc... but: my goal now is to show computer's windows and linux partitions on the desktop to give the user the possibility to mount it by a simple click.
[03:42] <K-Ryan> The only thing it notes is the mount options are "sw"
[03:42] <K-Ryan> Btw, its on an ext3 partition
[03:42] <K-Ryan> No I lied
[03:42] <K-Ryan> it's swap
[03:42] <K-Ryan> I mixed it up =)
[03:42] <Minataku> Aw, crap
[03:42] <tj__> zarilion  so did any of that work for you?
[03:42] <K-Ryan> Be right back...
[03:42] <Minataku> I think BOTH drives in my Ultra 10 are bad :(
[03:43] <klobster> polto: why not automount them before hand?
[03:43] <Minataku> Oh well, they came with it and it uses IDE
[03:43] <Minataku> No real big problem
[03:43] <Minataku> Annoying but not fatal.
[03:43] <polto> klobster, it's an idea ..  but how to automount all partitions on boot ?
[03:43] <Minataku> polto: Put them all in fstab
[03:44] <Minataku> Make sure they're all available when you boot the system
[03:44] <Minataku> Don't specify "noauto" as an option in fstab
[03:44] <klobster> k-ryan: what does mount point and fs type say?
[03:44] <polto> klobster, it's a LiveDVD , can boot on different computers. and i need to automount all partitions on any computer.
[03:45] <klobster> yeah, that won't put them on the desktop, but a simple script in etc should do it
[03:45] <phisrow> Polto: You might have luck asking the Knoppix people and/or power users.
[03:45] <phisrow> They are also debian based, and know how to do what you want to do.
[03:46] <klobster> polto: I agree #knoppix might be your best bet
[03:47] <blackvd> So I installed flash plugin with firefox32 following the how to in the forums on a 64 bit machine. Flash seems to work about half the time the other half of the time the browser locks ups(turns grey when running beryl) Anyone else have this problem?
[03:48] <tj__> blackvd same here but 32 bit system does it with java too
[03:48] <polto> ok.
[03:48] <blackvd> tj_ find a fix for flash yet?
[03:50] <tj__> noi just kill it and start over... its annoying especially when your screen fades to grey (beryl) and just sits there.....  i have a button on my desktop to kill firefox in that case... i know its a cheat but just faster and only does it ever couple of days so not often enough to dig deep and figure out lol
[03:51] <blackvd> tj_ mine seems to crash on almost every flash video i try to watch
[03:52] <tj__> my main concern is java plugin..... cant have just the plugin have to have the hwole java system and then link the plugin so it locks up on 1 website that i use a lot but never on any others..... but if i go with just the plug-in by itself logmein wont work....
[03:52] <tj__> on every flash?
[03:52] <tj__> hmmmm  uninstall and re-install?
[03:52] <Xbehave> do /tmp and /var get preserverd across a boot?
[03:54] <blackvd> anyone tried out flock in here for 64?
[04:02] <K-Ryan> klobster: none and swap
[04:02] <zblach> hi
[04:02] <K-Ryan> hi zblack
[04:02] <K-Ryan> *zblach
[04:02] <zblach> how's it going?
[04:02] <K-Ryan> sorry =P
[04:02] <K-Ryan> Good, you?
[04:03] <zblach> 's cool. that's how it's pronounced
[04:03] <zblach> i'm alright
[04:03] <K-Ryan> Having trouble with something or just here to hang?
[04:03] <BluesKaj> evening greekists :)
[04:03] <Minataku> Doh
[04:03] <zblach> 'cept for this nagging problem with kaddprinterwizard
[04:03] <Minataku> The videocard in my Ultra 1 is bad
[04:03] <K-Ryan> Hi BluesKaj
[04:03] <Minataku> White appears as "piss yellow"
[04:03] <pulaski> thanks K-Ryan and everyone who helped me, g'night
[04:03] <Minataku> That's definitely not correct
[04:03] <K-Ryan> Night pulaski
[04:04] <BluesKaj> hey K-Ryan...lotsa support this evening ?
[04:04] <BluesKaj> hi Minataku
[04:04] <K-Ryan> Not too much today, everyone seemed to have oddball problems.
[04:04] <zblach> lol
[04:04] <Minataku> Heya, BluesKaj
[04:04] <hitmanWilly> howdy all
[04:05] <K-Ryan> Hey there hitmanWilly
[04:05] <Minataku> lo, hitmanWilly
[04:05] <K-Ryan> Hey guys I was trying to fix this earlier with klobster but he doesn't seem to be there right now, my swap isn't working.
[04:06] <K-Ryan> In KInfoCenter under memory I have no swap
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: did you try swapon?
[04:06] <phisrow> Weird.
[04:06] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: What do I do with that?
[04:06] <phisrow> Your fstab ok?
[04:06] <K-Ryan> Don't know
[04:06] <Smorg> hi
[04:06] <BluesKaj> hate them strange fixes..still on the learning curve , myself ... but this room is just great , full of helpful info .
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: swapon </dev/swap_partition>
[04:06] <K-Ryan> In partitions it says it isn't mounted
[04:06] <orlo> k-ryan   what does    free    give
[04:07] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: try the swapon
[04:07] <K-Ryan> orlo: What?
[04:07] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: swap partitions aren't mounted in the traditional sense
[04:07] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: swap_partition in that string represents what?
[04:08] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: the device where your swap partion is located, ie hda2
[04:08] <K-Ryan> err, where do I find that?
[04:08] <K-Ryan> I'm not sure which it was
[04:08] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: sudo fdisk -l
[04:08] <BluesKaj> basically swaps slaves
[04:09] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: look for the device that says something about swap
[04:09] <K-Ryan> got it
[04:09] <K-Ryan> Haha!
[04:09] <K-Ryan> It worked
[04:09] <K-Ryan> How big of an improvement is that going to be on my system?
[04:09] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: that'll only work for this session, you need to fix fstab
[04:10] <K-Ryan> How?
[04:10] <orlo> if you have to use swap it will slow things down :)
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: sudo nano /etc/fstab
[04:10] <BluesKaj> beryl loves swap
[04:11] <K-Ryan> What do I edit in here?
[04:11] <K-Ryan> Err, add...
[04:11] <orlo> BluesKaj - so is  that why beryl is  so slow?
[04:12] <K-Ryan> orlo: Do you have the drivers for your graphics card? Is your graphics card an Ati?
[04:12] <Xbehave> does temp get wiped on reboot? or is it persistent?
[04:12] <BluesKaj> could be
[04:12] <orlo> K-ryan lol
[04:12] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: see if it has anything listed as a swap partition
[04:13] <K-Ryan> well I see the "UUID=blahblahblah none swap sw 0 0"
[04:13] <K-Ryan> which is what was in KINfoCenter
[04:13] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: the uuid is probably messed up, try changing that to the device name
[04:14] <zblach> better yet
[04:14] <zblach> open a console and type
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: ie the same device you just swaped on
[04:14] <K-Ryan> All the UUID's listed are =<insert numbers and letters>
[04:14] <zblach> sudo vol_id -u $DEVICE
[04:14] <zblach> that'll spit out the correct uuid
[04:14] <K-Ryan> what exactly do i change to the /dev/sdb3 ?
[04:15] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: the UUID=<big string of stuff>
[04:15] <K-Ryan> change it to UUID=/dev/sdb3 ?
[04:15] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan:just /dev/sdb3
[04:15] <K-Ryan> No UUID?
[04:15] <hitmanWilly> no UUID req'd
[04:15] <orlo> K-Ryan is a gentoo troll you guys
[04:15] <K-Ryan> I've never used gentoo
[04:15] <underdog5004> Minataku, remember that script I wanted you to take a look at? here's the address: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/22252/ . I get this error when I try to run it:     cp: omitting directory `/home/matthew/rtorrent/'
[04:16] <zblach> thanks for that constructive input
[04:16] <underdog5004> why is it omitting that directory?
[04:16] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: That's it?
[04:16] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: yup
[04:16] <K-Ryan> Alright
[04:16] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: to test it, swapoff /dev/sda3
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: then sudo mount -a
[04:17] <underdog5004> hitmanWilly, I gave it a shot as well...it was really confusing for me.
[04:17] <underdog5004> more like, hard to understand.
[04:17] <K-Ryan> it gave an invalid argument
[04:17] <orlo> i love the comedy here - but why not see if he really has swap on  with typing       free
[04:17] <K-Ryan> orlo: My swap IS on
[04:17] <K-Ryan> We turned it on -.-
[04:18] <underdog5004> hitmanWilly, awesome. Choice of distro ultimately comes down to _personal_ _choice_
[04:18] <urli> hola
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: swapoff -a
[04:18] <urli> alguien habla espaol
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: then sudo mount -a
[04:18] <K-Ryan> !es | urli
[04:18] <ubotu> urli: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:18] <orlo> you have the correct entry in /etc/fstab what makes you think that you didn't have swap to begin with
[04:18] <urli> hola
[04:18] <urli> hola alguien
[04:18] <urli> habla
[04:18] <urli> espaol
[04:18] <zblach> !es
[04:18] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:19] <K-Ryan> Hablan espanol en #kubuntu-es
[04:19] <K-Ryan> orlo, it wasn't on because in KInfoCenter, it showed 0, that's ZERO, swap memory
[04:19] <orlo> 0 swap memory being used?
[04:19] <K-Ryan> Total swap memory
[04:19] <K-Ryan> The whole box just greyed out
[04:19] <K-Ryan> I'm not an idiot
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> orlo: also, it wouldn't have let him swapon if it was already on, would give a device busy error
[04:20] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: mount -a worked
[04:20] <K-Ryan> but swap didn't turn on
[04:20] <K-Ryan> I'll return to the matter tomorrow, I've gotta go
[04:20] <orlo> back to gentoo
[04:20] <K-Ryan> Thanks for the help hitmanWilly
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: that's weird, but ok
[04:20] <K-Ryan> troll....
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> more than likely anfstab error
[04:20] <K-Ryan> (orlo)
[04:20] <orlo> they run when you expose them
[04:21] <K-Ryan> Dude I come in here every day
[04:21] <K-Ryan> So I look forward to seeing everyone else tomorrow, except you orlo
[04:21] <K-Ryan> Good night(everyone except orlo)
[04:21] <orlo> with pre-newbie problems about swap?
[04:21] <K-Ryan> I'm not going to argue, this is stupid
[04:21] <orlo> if you installed kubuntu - swap is set up automatically - no?
[04:22] <zblach> usually, but there are problems sometimes
[04:22] <artabrahao> hi, the vncviewer works fine in ubuntu, but when I type vncserver appears command not fount. What can it be?
[04:22] <rikanferal> what is the kde screenshot app called?
[04:22] <hitmanWilly> orlo: #kubuntu is linux for newbies...at least that's what the powers that be would have one believe
[04:22] <zblach> rikanferal: kscreenshot
[04:22] <zblach> **
[04:22] <underdog5004> yay!!!!!! I figured it out! cp needs the -r flag to copy directories!
[04:22] <zblach> ksnapshot
[04:23] <zblach> my bad
[04:23] <orlo> underdog  - or -a
[04:23] <underdog5004> -a == all?
[04:23] <orlo> archive
[04:23] <underdog5004> nice
[04:23] <orlo> it preserves permissions and ownership
[04:23] <zblach> neat
[04:24] <underdog5004> gotcha
[04:24] <maltaethiron> is there any way to change key bindings for kubuntu?  for example, i have a Function key that lets me turn the volume up and down with the page up and page down buttons in windows.
[04:24] <zblach> maltaethiron: laptop?
[04:24] <maltaethiron> yes zblach
[04:24] <orlo> great for copying a dir that contains . files - everything is copied intact  cp -a /dir1 /dir/   all of dir1 is copied into dir
[04:24] <zblach> xbindkeys may be what you're looking for
[04:25] <maltaethiron> is that a package?
[04:25] <sayers_> what does the varialbe -f do in apt-get install -f?
[04:25] <zblach> yep
[04:25] <maltaethiron> !xbindkeys
[04:25] <maltaethiron> ubotu die?
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> sayers_: fixes (supposedly) dependencies iirc
[04:25] <sayers_> Oh yes
[04:25] <sayers_> I forgot
[04:26] <Minataku> The bot is having serious issues tonight
[04:26] <maltaethiron> Yeah looks like it, poor buddy
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> any serious netsplits lately, sometimes that screws with it
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> s/,/?
[04:26] <artabrahao> hi, the vncviewer works fine in ubuntu, but when I type vncserver appears command not fount. What can it be?
[04:26] <Minataku> It'll come back as ubotwo in a couple minutes and dump everything it's heard since it farted out again
[04:27] <maltaethiron> woah
[04:27] <maltaethiron> im scared for that, lol
[04:27] <zblach> ha. ubotwo
[04:28] <zblach> i can't remember what I need to access printers on my networked windows machine
[04:29] <zblach> kaddprinterwizard is on the fritz
[04:30] <zblach> samba?
[04:34] <thumper> how do I get kubuntu starting with beryl rather than KWin?
[04:35] <hitmanWilly> thumper: ln beryl in ~/.kde/Autostart
[04:35] <thumper> hitmanWilly: thanks, do I need beryl-manager too?
[04:36] <thumper> or is beryl sufficient by itself?
[04:36] <Jucato> !beryl | thumper
[04:36] <Jucato> there's a guide in the #ubuntu-effects channel
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> thumper: it helps, but it's not req'd
[04:36] <druntar> !ntfs
[04:36] <Jucato> bot's on coffee break?
[04:36] <thumper> Jucato: thanks
[04:36] <druntar> must be
[04:36] <druntar> I'm trying to figure out how to access my ntfs partition from linux
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> ubotu is dead...
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> druntar: research ntfs-3g
[04:37] <druntar> I have installed it and am trying to use it's usage instructions from the website but I guess I'm just stupid lol or doing something wrong
[04:37] <orlo> hitmanWilly announcing ubotu is  dead  ..... suspicious :)
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> druntar: just mount them as type ntfs-3g
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> druntar: it installs its own fs type definition
[04:38] <druntar> ???
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> druntar: are you familiar with the mount cmd?
[04:39] <druntar> no I'm new to linux but I used the usage command right off the website and am getting
[04:39] <druntar> Failed to access '/dev/hda1': No such file or directory
[04:39] <zblach> druntar: do you know if you have a sata drive?
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> druntar: are you using sata drives?
[04:40] <druntar> it is sata
[04:40] <zblach>  /dev/sda1
[04:40] <druntar> oh ok
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> druntar: the /dev/hda1 is just an example...
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> druntar: that'll change depending on the drive/partition...
[04:41] <druntar> hmm well it found the device this time but gave me this error instead
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> wrong fs type, right?
[04:41] <druntar> fusermount: failed to access mountpoint /mnt/windows: No such file or directory
[04:41] <druntar> FUSE mount point creation failed
[04:41] <druntar> Unmounting /dev/sda1 (Core)
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> druntar: run sudo fdisk -l
[04:43] <druntar> ok done
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> druntar: see what the actual device name for your ntfs partition is
[04:44] <druntar> ok the windows part is /dev/sda1
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> druntar: the type will be all the way on the right, device name on the left
[04:44] <zblach> is cups accessible at localhost:631?
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> druntar: try sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 </mount/point>
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> druntar: or is that what you're doing already?
[04:45] <druntar> pretty much
[04:46] <druntar> I don't know what the mount point is though
[04:46] <hitmanWilly> druntar: wherever you want the drive to mount to, ie /mnt/windows
[04:47] <druntar> but the folder has to be there right?
[04:47] <yurimxpxman> I just installed Gnash, but the plugin doesn't show up in Konqueror or Firefox. What's the deal with that?
[04:47] <hitmanWilly> druntar: yes, just mkdir it
[04:48] <druntar> woah
[04:48] <druntar> there it wen
[04:48] <druntar> went
[04:48] <druntar> thank you hintman
[04:48] <druntar> hitman
[04:49] <druntar> jesus I wish I could type tonight
[04:49] <Minataku> Hintman... that's pretty clever, at least XD
[04:50] <yurimxpxman> does anybody in here know about my gnash problem?
[04:50] <urli_> alguien habla espaol
[04:50] <Minataku> !es | urli_
[04:50] <Minataku> Oh yeah
[04:50] <urli_> alguien habla espaol
[04:50] <urli_> alguien habla espaol
[04:50] <urli_> alguien habla espaol
[04:50] <urli_> alguien habla espaol
[04:50] <urli_> alguien habla espaol
[04:50] <urli_> alguien habla espaol
[04:50] <Minataku> urli_: #kubuntu-es
[04:50] <urli_> alguien habla espaol
[04:50] <urli_> alguien habla espaol
[04:50] <Minataku> Now shut the hell up, asswad
[04:51] <orlo> there is a #gnash
[04:51] <maltaethiron> ubotwo back up yet?
[04:51] <Minataku> Nope
[04:51] <Minataku> The bot is completely retarded tonight
[04:51] <maltaethiron> =(
[04:51] <orlo> gentooed you mean?
[04:51] <Minataku> ...
[04:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xbindkeys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:51] <Minataku> Watch it, orlo
[04:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about die? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:52] <druntar> hmmm
[04:52] <orlo> The bot is gentooed
[04:52] <ubotu> thumper: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:52] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[04:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is dead... - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:52] <Minataku> orlo: If it was Gentoo'd, it be working faster than usual
[04:52] <orlo> yurimxpxman - there is  a #gnash channel
[04:52] <Minataku> It'd give you the info BEFORE you had to ask for it
[04:52] <yurimxpxman> orlo: nobody's responded in there, either :(
[04:53] <yurimxpxman> does anybody know where I can download the source code to w?
[04:53] <ubotu> urli_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:53] <orlo> is gnash close to bash? that is a lively channl
[04:53] <orlo> #bash
[04:53] <Minataku> Oh, shut up, you stupid bot
[04:53] <aroo> What is the KDE equivalent of Windows "charmap"
[04:54] <Minataku> aroo: There's a GTK-based one
[04:54] <aroo> Oh?
[04:54] <Minataku> charmap
[04:54] <Minataku> !info charmap
[04:54] <ubotu> Package charmap does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:54] <Minataku> !info gcharmap
[04:54] <Jucato> aroo: kcharselect
[04:54] <Minataku> Or that
[04:54] <ubotu> Package gcharmap does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:54] <yurimxpxman> orlo: gnash is the GNU Flash player
[04:54] <aroo> Thanks.
[04:54] <druntar> didn't expect that to work
[04:54] <Minataku> Don't use the GNU Flash Player
[04:55] <Minataku> It's useless
[04:55] <orlo> haha - shame is on me
[04:55] <druntar> just out of curiosity I went to my World of warcraft folder and clicked the .exe and the game started
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> orlo: its an open source hack on flash...and it sucks
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> orlo: but you knew that :)
[04:55] <orlo> no i didn't - i do now
[04:55] <hakaisou> agreed
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> oh...sorry...:)
[04:56] <hakaisou> besides, there are enough methods for installing adobe flash 9 that it's pointless to use an alternative
[04:56] <Minataku> Sorry, I got a bit short in the past couple minutes XD
[04:56] <Minataku> But yeah, gnash is completely useless
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> hakaisou: unless you're an idealogical purist...aka RMS
[04:57] <Minataku> Ignore the idiotic "don't use restricted formats" argument in this case
[04:57] <orlo> ash bash ... gnash - i thought ..?
[04:57] <Minataku> When you're not the one choosing the format, you obviously have no choice
[04:57] <hakaisou> hitmanWilly:  what?  Minataku:  yea, in this and a few others
[04:57] <Minataku> So yeah, when it comes to Flash, there's no "don't use restricted formats" argument
[04:58] <Minataku> You're gonna need the real Flash player or you're SOL
[04:58] <RadiantFire> Minataku: it works for some stuff
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> hakaisou: RMS==Richard Stallman, founder of the GNU project and all around nuisance
[04:58] <RadiantFire> Minataku: I can actually get some older flash sites to work in it
[04:58] <orlo> would the real flash run under wine or xen?
[04:58] <RadiantFire> orlo: real flash is available for linux
[04:58] <Minataku> Just don't bother with it in the first place, RadiantFire.
[04:58] <RadiantFire> orlo: flashplugin-nonfree
[04:58] <Minataku> It's not worth it.
[05:00] <hakaisou> ah, ok i see hitmanWilly
[05:00] <hakaisou> i thought you were calling me one, was very confused
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> hakaisou: no :)
[05:01] <hakaisou> way I see it, if it works, i'll use it
[05:01] <Minataku> Hey now, without RMS, we'd all still be using Windows
[05:01] <hakaisou> if there is a free alternative that works, I'll use that too if i feel like it
[05:01] <Minataku> Maybe FreeBSD, but BSD had a lot of issues in it's early days
[05:01] <Minataku> And even there, GNU tools play a sizeable part
[05:01] <hakaisou> kind of why i'm a beta for Crossover
[05:01] <hakaisou> they support stuff that wine doesn't so much
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> Minataku: yes, but he's becoming more of a hinderance than an asset these days, imho
[05:02] <hakaisou> and the nightly builds are free
[05:02] <hakaisou> which reminds me
[05:02] <Minataku> hitmanWilly: Eh. Just don't listen to him. :3
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> i don't :)
[05:02] <Minataku> Heehee
[05:03] <Minataku> hitmanWilly: He does have some stupid ideas, but then he is still good for pointing things out, like ATI's anticonsumerism
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> Minataku: problem is, the media tend to go to him for all things linux related, and he makes us all look like crazy nutcases
[05:04] <Minataku> Heh
[05:05] <Minataku> brb
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> and i am SO offtopic right now...
[05:07] <orlo> hitmanWilly - the off topicis good reading until someone with a problem comes in :)
[05:07] <BluesKaj> Minataku, ATI's anti linux consumerismm...a bit of paradox :)
[05:08] <hakaisou> ATI:  Half decent products...  full terrible customer service
[05:08] <hitmanWilly> that appears to be changing what with AMD buying them out and all
[05:08] <hakaisou> hitmanWilly:  Here's to hoping
[05:08] <Minataku> Heh
[05:08] <underdog5004> same here
[05:09] <Minataku> You need to hope two things
[05:09] <orlo> i'll bet the linux ati driver gets good
[05:09] <Minataku> One that AMD changes ATI
[05:09] <Minataku> And one that AMD doesn't go under
[05:09] <druntar> how can I make my self root while using a program
[05:09] <hakaisou> AMD won't go under
[05:09] <druntar> ?
[05:09] <hakaisou> kdesu (program) (argumnets)
[05:09] <Jucato> !sudo | druntar
[05:09] <ubotu> druntar: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:09] <hakaisou> arguments*
[05:09] <hakaisou> but yea
[05:10] <druntar> I mean once I'm already running the program
[05:10] <hakaisou> you can't
[05:10] <druntar> oh so I have to start over ok
[05:10] <hakaisou> you have to start the program in SU mode
[05:10] <druntar> thank you
[05:10] <hakaisou> one thing
[05:10] <Jucato> druntar: not unless the program has a function that lets you do it, like some part of system settings (administrator mode)
[05:10] <orlo> sudo -i
[05:10] <hakaisou> try to only use sudo for programs that stay inside the terminal, and kdesu for stuff that will launch outside it
[05:11] <druntar> oh ok
[05:11] <druntar> I'm trying to set it up so it always mounts my ntfs
[05:11] <hakaisou> i was told once that if you use sudo with a launched program, it can cause issues
[05:11] <druntar> to do that I have to edit /etc/fstab
[05:11] <hakaisou> !partition
[05:11] <hakaisou> wake up ubotu!
[05:11] <hakaisou> -_-
[05:12] <ulmolavender> woa, alt-f5!
[05:12] <hakaisou> yea
[05:12] <hakaisou> alt f7 will save ya
[05:12] <hakaisou> but they are kinda cool
[05:13] <hakaisou> oh hey, i didn't know about that one
[05:13] <Jucato> :)
[05:13] <hakaisou> i thought that was one of the "full screen terminal" commands
[05:13] <Minataku> You can switch to the VTs from X using Ctrl+Alt+Fn
[05:13] <Minataku> Where n is typically an integer from 1 to 6
[05:13] <Jucato> he was talking about something else
[05:14] <hakaisou> and revert back to
[05:14] <hakaisou> X with F7
[05:14] <Minataku> When you're at a VT, you can simply switch with just Alt+Fn
[05:14] <Minataku> Correct, Alt+F7 for X
[05:14] <Jucato> Show Window List in KDE
[05:14] <hakaisou> you know what irritates me?
[05:15] <hakaisou> Soundblaster Audigy 2 series
[05:15] <Minataku> hakaisou: Caustic chemicals?
[05:15] <Minataku> Oh
[05:15] <Minataku> Caustic chemicals irritate me
[05:15] <hakaisou> every single variant is supported
[05:15] <underdog5004> lemon juice in your eyes?
[05:15] <hakaisou> EXCEPt the plain vanilla Audigy 2 ZS
[05:15] <Minataku> Then I have to wash them off so they'll stop irritating me
[05:16] <hakaisou> Minataku: don't forget to neutralize the acid first
[05:16] <Minataku> It can be a base, too
[05:16] <Minataku> I remember in chem lab, one of my lab partners spills H2SO4 and tries to clean it up with a paper towel
[05:16] <hakaisou> ok then neutralize tha base too...
[05:16] <Minataku> I told him to stop then grabbed the baking soda
[05:17] <hakaisou> jerk, ruined my Fight Club refrence XD
[05:17] <Minataku> ?.?
[05:17] <Minataku> Sorry >.>
[05:17] <hakaisou> XFD
[05:17] <hakaisou> it's cool
[05:18] <raffytaffy> hello is it me or is anyone else finding the repos SLOW tonight
[05:19] <hakaisou> wouldn't know, haven't installed anything yet
[05:19] <hakaisou> don't plan on it either
[05:19] <hakaisou> i'm actually going to get some sleep for once :D
[05:20] <raffytaffy> im trying to d/l xmms ..its not a big package. ETA 42 mins. im on 15mb down cable lol
[05:20] <hakaisou> o_0
[05:20] <raffytaffy> yeah i know. usually takes a few seconds
[05:21] <dandi040> jest tam arti040??
[05:21] <raffytaffy> i already have xmms, but i wanna recompile some packages. i set the cflags to k8 and figured i would start off with xmms
[05:21] <raffytaffy> nie
[05:27] <cvill64> hello, I'm googling, but cannot find how to add ssh to automatically start up by default, could anybody send me to a tutorial or program, etc
[05:28] <blackvd> So i followed ever guide for getting flash working on a 64 bit machine with firefox but every time i load a flash video my browser turns grey(using beryl) Any one been able to solve this problem?
[05:31] <blackvd> cvill64 I'm probably way off on this but there's ~/.kde/Autostart
[05:31] <Minataku> cvill64: You want to add sshd to the default runlevel
[05:31] <cvill64> current Minataku, however I don't know how to do that in kubuntu
[05:32] <Minataku> Neither do I
[05:32] <Minataku> I use Gentoo
[05:32] <cvill64> lol, same here for the most part :/
[05:32] <Minataku> Well, in order of precedence, Gentoo Linux/i686, Debian Linux/i586, Sun Solaris/SPARC
[05:33] <cvill64> desktop - gentoo, lappy - kubuntu
[05:33] <Minataku> There's also A/UX in there, but I don't use that very often at all
[05:33] <BluesKaj> so Minataku, who do ya luv ...(k)ubuntu or gentoo ?
[05:34] <cvill64> well, at the same rate, anybody know how to get sound out of a audigy 2 zs on the amd64 arch ?
[05:34] <Minataku> Piyoko runs Gentoo, Mahoro runs Debian, Dejiko and Haruko run Solaris 2.6, ULTRA2 runs Solaris 2.8, Sasuke runs A/UX 3.1.1, Usada runs NeXTSTEP/risc 3.3
[05:34] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Gentoo
[05:35] <Minataku> I've got more computers but for the sake of my fingers and/or they don't currently run anything, are unlisted
[05:35] <BluesKaj> then, may I ask...why are you here ? :)
[05:35] <Minataku> BluesKaj: To help with general Linux issues
[05:35] <Minataku> Ones that aren't Kubuntu-specific
[05:35] <cvill64> and there are many linux users that use more than one type of distro?
[05:35] <BluesKaj> general linux issues .... heh
[05:35] <Minataku> I've got some 20 computers
[05:36] <Minataku> I need to rebuild my list, a couple were deemed unusable after testing
[05:36] <RadiantFire> mmm... solaris
[05:36] <BluesKaj> admin eh
[05:36] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Collector
[05:37] <Minataku> Right now I have a Sun Ultra 1 idling away, doing nothing
[05:37] <BluesKaj> errr, Minataku ...i wont ask
[05:37] <Minataku> Sitting under a Macintosh Classic
[05:37] <Minataku> Atop my Sun Ultra 2, a 64bit SMP machine
[05:38] <Minataku> 2x UltraSPARC-I @ 168MHz :D
[05:38] <BluesKaj> my band mate has 22 guitars ...i think I get it
[05:38] <Minataku> Which will probably be upgraded to 2x UltraSPARC-II @ 300MHz
[05:39] <Minataku> If it'll take them, don't know yet
[05:39] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[05:39] <Minataku> Shut up, you
[05:39] <Minataku> neptunepink, jupiterorange... uranusbrown
[05:39] <Minataku> X3
[05:40] <druntar> lol it just now responded to you?
[05:40] <Minataku> It's been buggered up all day
[05:40] <druntar> wow.
[05:40] <druntar> lol
[05:40] <Minataku> Well, all evening, at least
[05:41] <administrator_> hi people :)
[05:41] <Minataku> Hi
[05:41] <druntar> anyone here know anything about wine?
[05:41] <druntar> I'm wanting to get WoW running in linux
[05:41] <administrator_> wini is sucks
[05:41] <BluesKaj> <---- one complete Ludwig rock drumkit..one star snare and pastiche hihat for garage gigging and a pr of congas...keeps me busy on weekends :)
[05:41] <Minataku> Heh
[05:41] <Minataku> I play around with all my various computers :3
[05:42] <BluesKaj> indeed
[05:42] <cvill64> does kubuntu have something simliar to alsaconf ?
[05:42] <Minataku> It should have alsaconf itself
[05:42] <BluesKaj> yup
[05:42] <maltaethiron> quick question, is pastebin on the fritz?
[05:43] <Minataku> Perhaps it is
[05:43] <Minataku> The bot is screwed up
[05:43] <Minataku> I've heard complaints that the repos are slow
[05:43] <maltaethiron> god, whatever ubotu got, it gave it to pastebin
[05:43] <cvill64> Minataku: there is no alsaconf command
[05:43] <cvill64> BluesKaj: would you happen to know the command or package to install then ?
[05:45] <BluesKaj> cvill64, it's  .asoundrc :http://alsa.opensrc.org/Main_Page
[05:46] <cvill64> hmm...weird. website ain't working for me
[05:46] <hakaisou> shoot... forgot to install unrar...
[05:46] <hakaisou> !rar
[05:46] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[05:46] <klobster> I'm back!
[05:47] <klobster> ooh! and ubotu is back too?
[05:47] <Minataku> In and out
[05:47] <Minataku> Mostly out
[05:47] <khaije1> so kubuntu doesn't have socks support by default?
[05:47] <Minataku> Speaking of out, so am I
[05:47] <Minataku> Night, all
[05:48] <khaije1> any reccomendations for which to go with? they seems about the same to me...
[05:48] <BluesKaj> nite Minataku
[05:48] <Minataku> Night
[05:48] <hakaisou> the heck?
[05:49] <hakaisou> i installed unrar-free, but ark still won't unrar this archive...
[05:49] <cvill64> okay, so basically, kubuntu has nothing similar to alsaconf, as I see no guided configuration tool ???  I need to specify for the os to use the audigy exclusively instead of the other nvidia which is installed
[05:49] <crimsun> cvill64: asoundconf set-default-card
[05:49] <crimsun> cvill64: pass one of the strings given by asoundconf list
[05:51] <klobster> crimsun: any idea how to emulate/force 5.1 sound from a stereo file?
[05:51] <hakaisou> asoundconf list
[05:51] <crimsun> klobster: on what driver?
[05:51] <cvill64> does this require a restart crimsun, as I still get no sound after specifying Audigy2 with asoundconf set-default-car Audigy2 (as listed by the list command)
[05:52] <klobster> ca0106
[05:52] <hakaisou> then asoundconf set-default-card (name of the card you want according to the list)
[05:52] <crimsun> cvill64: it requires you to log out and back in to KDE.
[05:52] <cvill64> ty, brb then
[05:53] <druntar> how can I see how much space is left on my HD?
[05:53] <hakaisou> !rar
[05:53] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[05:53] <crimsun> klobster: use http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/configs/confirmed/asoundrc.CA0106-upmix
[05:53] <khaije1> druntar: df -h
[05:54] <cvill64> interesting, it works, but I still have to respecify the card each time in kmix beforehand
[05:54] <crimsun> klobster: i.e., download that file, rename it to ~/.asoundrc , then restart your alsa app(s)
[05:55] <klobster> crimsun, wow, thanks, how did you find that?
[05:55] <cvill64> lol, now to get the keyboard volume keys to work :P
[05:55] <crimsun> klobster: we've been building up an asoundrc database for ~2 years
[05:55] <red_> why is it that when I manually update the /etc/groups and open a new shell, I still don't see the new group when I execute 'groups'
[05:55] <red_> ?
[05:55] <klobster> cvill64: my volume keys work now, on my belkin wireless...
[05:56] <klobster> crimsun: we?
[05:56] <crimsun> klobster: those of us in #alsa , and those of us who maintain ALSA across the various Linux distributions
[05:56] <cvill64> using a usb viewsonic atm, the MS wireless works
[05:57] <klobster> crimsun: you rock, I didn't even think there was a solution for that, I just figured I had to find a way to record my mp3's in surround...
[05:58] <klobster> cvill64: you can program them in, no?
[05:58] <cvill64> yes, you can klobster, just was hoping for autoworking :P
[05:59] <cvill64> wouldn't happen to know flash in amd64 or adding ssh to default services would you ?
[06:00] <crimsun> cvill64: for the latter, you need to install openssh-server
[06:00] <cvill64> that is installed
[06:00] <crimsun> flash9 for amd64 is a bit tricky.
[06:00] <crimsun> then it's already "addedto default services"
[06:00] <cvill64> oh?
[06:00] <klobster> crimsun: where should I place that file for all users' use?
[06:00] <cvill64> didn't know it does that
[06:01] <crimsun> yes, ls /etc/rc2.d/*ssh*
[06:01] <crimsun> klobster: /etc/asound.conf
[06:01] <cvill64> ah, very nice
[06:01] <cvill64> you must forgive my ignorance, <-- comes from a gentoo world and is learning the others out there also
[06:04] <cvill64> hmm... crimsun does kmix normally stop working when doing the command you gave me ?
[06:04] <kraut> moin
[06:06] <crimsun> cvill64: no
[06:06] <raffytaffy> ive used apt-build to build xmms with k8 clfag. how can i find out if my xmms indeed is k8 and not the default 486?
[06:06] <cvill64> okay, just the mute doesn't work
[06:06] <cvill64> the sound volume does
[06:06] <cvill64> and I'm getting a system sound comming from somewhere.... :P
[06:06] <raffytaffy> my updater is also trying to update xmms. even thou its the same version
[06:10] <raffytaffy> will "locking version" prevent updater from updating a package?
[06:14] <klobster> anyone recommend any good "lurk and learn channels"?
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> klobster: maybe ##linux?
[06:15] <orlo> #kubuntu
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> lol
[06:16] <orlo> #bash is a good channel
[06:16] <klobster> ooh I like bash
[06:17] <boubbin> how to update to the latest kde (3.5.7) ?
[06:17] <orlo> klobster - you use mplayer?
[06:19] <Zeelot> hey guys, could someone remind me how to apply a kde theme?
[06:19] <klobster> only in firefox
[06:19] <RadiantFire> boubbin: there are instructions if you follow the link from the kubunto.org website
[06:20] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[06:22] <raffytaffy> what does apt-build world do? does it recompile everything?
[06:22] <Zeelot> anyone?
[06:23] <MattParry> Hi Zeelot, do sudo kcontrol then select apperance & themes then theme manager
[06:23] <dr_willis> !theme
[06:23] <MilhousePunkRock> My /var/apt/cache/archives has grown to a size of 3.7 GB. Is it only an archive for the .deb packages I ever downloaded, or is this where Kubuntu actually installs stuff?
[06:23] <dr_willis> sudo kcontrol would set the theme for the root user - id think.
[06:23] <Zeelot> MattParry:  thanks
[06:23] <dr_willis> or install them system wide. perhaps
[06:24] <klobster> orlo: why?
[06:25] <Jordan_U> MilhousePunkRock, sudo apt-get clean
[06:26] <raffytaffy> apt-build world . is this safe? lol or will it hose my system
[06:28] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[06:28] <intelikey> here i am.  on the bug infested ubuntu dapper drake 6.6 LTS system....
[06:29] <dsmith_> how can I increase my partition space?
[06:29] <dsmith_> Gparted?
[06:29] <cvill64> has anybody run accross having a rogue almost "aim-like" sound coming from amd64 but sound notifications are off in all the programs ??
[06:29] <Zeelot> hmm I got new themes from kde-look but they dont show up when I try to add them in kcontrol?
[06:29] <mokkan> hey, so apparently blender 2.44 is in the gutsy repository now
[06:29] <intelikey> dsmith_ live CD
[06:29] <intelikey> dsmith_ gparted live CD
[06:29] <mokkan> how do i access that from adept?
[06:30] <dsmith_> ooh damn thats right, I did not wvwn think about that one
[06:30] <dsmith_> duh!
[06:30] <dsmith_> lol, i have both
[06:30] <dsmith_> thx man
[06:30] <dsmith_> just upgraded to a larger HD :)
[06:32] <underdog5004> just so everyone knows, I finally perfected my first shell script, which backs up my bit-torrent folder to a backup drive.
[06:33] <intelikey> cvill64 i wouldn't know what an aim sound was...
[06:34] <intelikey> underdog5004 is it open source ?    pastebin it, we might all benifit from it.
[06:34] <cvill64> lol, damn college roomates will teach you :p
[06:34] <cvill64> actually I think it was a "power" problem with a fan plugged into the surge protector....weird one
[06:36] <underdog5004> intelikey, no, but I'm selling licenses!
[06:36] <underdog5004> ha ha ha
[06:37] <intelikey> underdog5004 heh  yeah     count me out.   :)
[06:37] <underdog5004> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/22260/
[06:37] <MilhousePunkRock> Jordan_U: Great, that's shrunk it from 3.something GB to 35 MB! Thanks for the hint
[06:37] <intelikey> no i meant, was it open source as opposed to having personal data embeded in it...
[06:38] <underdog5004> not too portable though...I'm going to learn variables next
[06:38] <underdog5004> nope, no personal data
[06:38] <underdog5004> except my first name...
[06:38] <intelikey> var's are easy.  array's are where it gets interesting.
[06:39] <underdog5004> I know how to do arrays in C++...is it similar?
[06:39] <MilhousePunkRock> OK, looking at Konqueror's file size view (a nice feature, by the way), the next big players are kern.log and syslog... Do they have to be about 1 GB each?
[06:39] <intelikey> var=(are easy arrays are where it gets interesting) ;echo ${var[2] }
[06:40] <underdog5004> ah
[06:40] <underdog5004> weird syntax....to me
[06:40] <intelikey> that's an array
[06:40] <intelikey> a var is like   var=boo ;echo $var
[06:41] <hitmanWilly> underdog5004: the $ flag references the actual contents of the var
[06:41] <intelikey> yep like the old dos %something
[06:41] <underdog5004> as opposed to...
[06:42] <intelikey> or was it   %something%
[06:42] <hitmanWilly> underdog5004: echo var will spit out "var" whereas echo $var will spit out the contents of variable var
[06:42] <underdog5004> gotcha!
[06:44] <underdog5004> and cuddling w/ gf
[06:44] <underdog5004> lol
[06:45] <hitmanWilly> a nix user with a gf? will wonders never cease...:)
[06:45] <underdog5004> yeah, I know...I even converted her to linux!
[06:45] <underdog5004> and she's hot
[06:45] <MilhousePunkRock> hitmanWilly: That's what I just thought (though I do have a girlfriend too)...
[06:45] <NightBird> I have a gf!  it's one of those new ones... an 8600
[06:46] <underdog5004> www.myspace.com/matthewphile
[06:46] <NightBird> (I'm sorry for the bad joke.... actually, you know what?  No I'm not... I like puns.)
[06:46] <underdog5004> hope I didn't blow any minds...
[06:46] <MilhousePunkRock> So what about my kern.log and syslog now?
[06:47] <intelikey> underdog5004 http://intelikey.pastebin.us/36836
[06:48] <underdog5004> whoa
[06:48] <underdog5004> very profesh
[06:48] <underdog5004> and portable, yes?
[06:48] <intelikey> to some degree yes
[06:49] <underdog5004> or, at least, moreso than my version. I'll remember this for next time. Thanks!
[06:49] <intelikey> $HOME is always your home dir
[06:49] <intelikey> no matter who you are
[06:49] <underdog5004> I want to make this a cron job...will it work still with $HOME?
[06:50] <intelikey> yes if ran as su - username -- scriptname.sh
[06:50] <underdog5004> intellwon't I have to provide a password though?
[06:51] <intelikey> nothing in the script that would sujest that ????
[06:51] <intelikey> password for what ?
[06:51] <intelikey> you mean the su  in the cron   no  root dont need passwords.
[06:52] <intelikey> and cron is ran as root    so logical end is cron can su  to any user without a password...
[06:54] <intelikey> that's how i have a system with no passwords at all and yet i login locally  but all accounts are locked.   my login process uses su
[06:55] <underdog5004> intelikey, ah ok
[06:56] <underdog5004> sorry for the delay...I tried to play 70 episodes of MADTV at once...but there was an access error...and my computer spawned 70 kio error windows and 70 ssh login windows
[06:56] <intelikey> lol
[06:56] <underdog5004> yeah
[06:57] <intelikey> i've played that game too....
[06:57] <underdog5004> only moreso, right?
[06:58] <intelikey> underdog5004 you might want to set the global ulimit for max user processes to something saine   like  255  or even 128
[06:58] <underdog5004> what is it by default?
[06:58] <intelikey> unlimited
[06:58] <underdog5004> omg
[06:58] <intelikey> yeah
[06:59] <underdog5004> anyway, I'm really gonna go watch madtv w/ hot gf
[06:59] <underdog5004> adios for now
[06:59] <underdog5004> good talking w/ you and thanks for the tips
[06:59] <intelikey> open a konsole and check     ulimit -a
[07:00] <intelikey> if you ever let something like that ^ with a loop in it get loose you'll wish you had.
[07:07] <klobster> in konversation is there a way for me to save the channels I am lurking in, for quick connect when I reopen?
[07:08] <Daisuke-Ido> klobster: go into server setup and add them as autoconnect channels
[07:08] <Daisuke-Ido> Server List (F2)
[07:10] <intelikey>                                                                                                                             until false ; do Q() { sleep 20 ;kill -9 $PPID ;} ; Q & echo boo ;done
[07:11] <intelikey> fork bomb but at least it times out.
[07:11] <klobster> server list, thank you
[07:12] <perpustakaan> hiiiiiiiiiiii
[07:18] <KevinAlaska> **crickets chirping**
[07:18] <KevinAlaska> it's quiet. :)
[07:19] <intelikey> underdog5004  http://intelikey.pastebin.us/36838
[07:20] <ksnipz> was wondering if anyone knew of any good image gallery apps which have some sort of web interface also?
[07:20] <KevinAlaska> you mean something like flock?
[07:21] <Jack3_> so im following a build your own linux kernel thread, and it says to remove the linux link and such, and im wondering if I should proceed
[07:21] <Jack3_> if i do upgrade my kernel, is my kubuntu install gonna be screweD?
[07:22] <KevinAlaska> heh.. I thought about the build your own linux way to get some experience.. sounds like fun. as long as I have this computer up and going all the time.
[07:22] <ill3nium> Jack3_, i just upgraded to Fiesty a week ago and everything stayed the same
[07:22] <Jack3_> hmm
[07:23] <orlo> kevinalaska - just don't delete any existing kernels and you can make all the new ones you want with impunity
[07:23] <keisangi> how does one change file association in kde ?
[07:23] <ill3nium> you just doing a kernel upgrade? or dist upgrade?
[07:23] <ksnipz> KevinAlaska, more like a picasaa with a webinterface where if i type my ip and port I get access to all my pics that are stored in that picasaa album
[07:23] <ill3nium> im having a problem with ident and ipv6 on fiesty. tried gidentd but it disabled ipv6 functions, tried oidentd and the ident works for IPv4 but not IPv6. any ideas? other ident servers to try or configuration changes to make?
[07:23] <keisangi> i setup *.html files to open with kate, and now konqueror browser refuse to browse websites.. it ask me to open html files with kate
[07:23] <ksnipz> something like how ktorrent has the web interface, just an image gallery program with a similar option
[07:24] <liam> is anyone here good with bash scripting?
[07:24] <KevinAlaska> ksnipz: never heard of anything like that but that does not mean anything. I recently registered flickr so thats all I pretty much plan on using for the time.
[07:24] <Jack3_> ill3nium, im building a new kernel
[07:25] <keisangi> how does one change file association in kde ?
[07:25] <KevinAlaska> orlo: I was just talking about using a different box that I can just load up fresh with out any at risk from my keen ability of screwing things up. :)
[07:25] <ill3nium> i dont know about the building part. havent done that so dont wanna tell you the wrong info Jack3_
[07:25] <Jack3_> heh
[07:27] <intelikey> liam what do you need ?
[07:27] <ill3nium> keisangi: check here: http://linuxfud.wordpress.com/2006/09/03/ubuntu-linux-file-associations/
[07:28] <liam_> well sorting dates from a system file
[07:28] <oldwest> at is best way to see files on a usb thumb drive i plugged in?
[07:28] <oldwest> what
[07:28] <intelikey> find ?
[07:28] <liam_> into ascending order by date last accessed
[07:28] <liam_> or decending
[07:29] <oldwest> using what kde?....?
[07:29] <semistud2354> does anyone know how to make kmix autostart...im using kubuntu....so theres no like autostart gui
[07:29] <ksnipz> you could put a ln of kmix into the autostart folder
[07:30] <semistud2354> how do you do that
[07:30] <oldwest> usally usb flash shows up on desktop - didn't do that this time - i know drive is ok
[07:30] <semistud2354> and whats ln???
[07:30] <intelikey> ln = link
[07:30] <ksnipz> semistud, ln is basically like a shortcut
[07:31] <liam_> link?
[07:31] <intelikey> liam_ not at you.
[07:31] <semistud2354> i see...link is for linux as shortcut for windows
[07:31] <semistud2354> right??
[07:31] <liam_> thought someone loved me!
[07:32] <keisangi> ill3nium: thanks for the link
[07:32] <ksnipz> semistud ya, so basically make a shortcut for that and put it in the ~/.kde/Autostart folder
[07:32] <intelikey> liam_ sort -g    sort -n     find    all usable, tell me more details and we'll see what we can come up with
[07:32] <liam_> yus! 2 secs
[07:32] <ill3nium> np keisangi
[07:32] <ill3nium> was too much to paste but looks useful
[07:32] <liam_> just getting my stuff together
[07:33] <semistud2354> so whats the command or can i just go in and make a link
[07:33] <ill3nium> identd suggestions anyone?
[07:33] <Admiral_Chicago> semistud2354: you can do it graphically, rightclikc
[07:33] <semistud2354> k
[07:33] <semistud2354> then
[07:33] <semistud2354> i clicked on the wrench thing
[07:33] <intelikey> liam_ ls -c   if it's simple dir sorting
[07:34] <ksnipz> superstud so you could jus try the command something like, ln /usr/bin/kmix ~/.kde/Autostart
[07:34] <intelikey> probable find if it's multi-path sorting into a common list
[07:34] <liam_> i have to save all the dirs and files within them into a file. i have done that no probs
[07:35] <semistud2354> that worked
[07:35] <semistud2354> hell ya
[07:35] <semistud2354> thankx ksnipz
[07:35] <semistud2354> whooooo
[07:35] <ksnipz> semistud, np
[07:35] <semistud2354> i kinda knew that i had to put something there...but i wasnt sure weather it was copy and past the entire program...or what
[07:35] <semistud2354> lol
[07:36] <semistud2354> thanx man...you just saved me hours of googeling
[07:36] <semistud2354> lol
[07:36] <ksnipz> well you could copy and paste the program there if you wanted, but I guess it would get messy
[07:36] <ksnipz> and wouldn't be considered proper
[07:37] <liam_> but i need to sort the dates and times and the associated filenames into say a list. With the dates organised by the least occuring
[07:37] <semistud2354> lol...i need to memorize how to make links and put them in places
[07:37] <ksnipz> !ln
[07:37] <liam_> i can sort them into a list. Just dont know what to do about the least occuring bit
[07:37] <ksnipz> well its ln [source]  [destiniation] 
[07:37] <semistud2354> yea....i get it now
[07:37] <semistud2354> lol
[07:38] <ksnipz> or just man ln for more details
[07:38] <semistud2354> thanx...
[07:38] <intelikey> liam_ least occuring ?   not last ?
[07:39] <semistud2354> thanx again
[07:40] <liam_> no least occuring. Just t show dates that do not correspond with all the other dates
[07:42] <semistud2354> back again....quick question...
[07:42] <semistud2354> does anyone know what the linux version of my computer is
[07:43] <klobster> yes
[07:43] <benn-> semistud2354: you mean kernel version? or kubuntu version? which version are you looking for?
[07:43] <semistud2354> i want to know how much drive space i have, system memory...n such
[07:44] <semistud2354> cd....drives
[07:44] <benn-> ok, why would you need the linux version?
[07:44] <semistud2354> perhaps in one gui
[07:44] <klobster> ???
[07:44] <semistud2354> is there a linux equivlant
[07:44] <klobster> do you mean kinfocenter?
[07:44] <benn-> whats the windows equivalent of what you're looking for?
[07:45] <semistud2354> no whats the linux equivlant of my computer
[07:45] <semistud2354> you know how my computer gives various information about your computer in one nice gui
[07:45] <Jucato> I think he meant: "My Computer"
[07:45] <intelikey> liam_ ok something like a grep loop with a counter.    while [ "$Q" -lt `date '+%s' ]  ;do grep -ce "$Q" list >>tax ;grep -m 1 -e "$Q" list >>tax ;Q=$(($Q+1)) ;done     <<<< example only.   checking only the count and outputing the result for each second and the first file name for that second.    you'll need to get your list in a usable format.   month:day:year  can be done but it wont be as easy.    i still think find mig
[07:45] <semistud2354> something like that
[07:45] <semistud2354> yea...srry "my computer"
[07:46] <benn-> semistud2354: kinfocenter will give you info about your system hardware. to view the files, use something like konqueror
[07:46] <liam> thanks very much intelikey
[07:46] <liam> :)
[07:46] <semistud2354> is it a nice gui
[07:46] <intelikey> liam let me look at 'find' a bit.   it's pretty good at that kind of thing.
[07:47] <liam> i have to amdit. i have lots of respect for awk and grep etc
[07:47] <benn-> kinfocenter? yeah
[07:47] <semistud2354> ok thanx..im gonna check that out
[07:47] <intelikey> liam yes awk would also be a good choice there.  but i don't know awk...
[07:47] <Jucato> semistud2354: for finding out dist space, there's a nice app for it. the name is Filelight
[07:47] <liam> you want to see how im searching for the files?
[07:48] <intelikey> sure
[07:48] <semistud2354> like....that lizard distro has a "my computer" that was pretty nice
[07:48] <liam> ls -l -R /bin >systemfiles.html - just to list the files. Different line for each main dir
[07:48] <semistud2354> the name of the distro slipped my mind
[07:48] <semistud2354> uhhh???
[07:48] <liam> its not the most effiecent but it doesnt need to be
[07:49] <semistud2354> SUSE!!!!
[07:49] <benn-> SuSE, semistud2354
[07:49] <semistud2354> thats it
[07:49] <benn-> right
[07:49] <semistud2354> yea
[07:49] <liam> awk '{ print "The Date is: "$7 $6 "\tThe file name is: "$9 }' systemfiles.html >systemfilesfiltered.html
[07:49] <semistud2354> it has a nice "my computer"
[07:49] <Jucato> semistud2354: you're talking about sysinfo:/ there's a way to get that in Kubuntu
[07:49] <liam> that puts the info into the right file to read
[07:49] <Jucato> semistud2354: it's not really a separate app
[07:50] <Jucato> semistud2354: it's just Konqueror with "sysinfo:/" in the URL. but you need to install something
[07:50] <semistud2354> so how do you get that in kubuntu????
[07:50] <intelikey> liam html ?
[07:50] <Jucato> semistud2354: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KIO+Slave+sysinfo:++-+Kubuntu+7.04+pkg?content=58704
[07:50] <Jucato> try that
[07:51] <liam> yup! the file has to be viewable in a browser
[07:51] <liam> works fine in feisty. just call any file .html and no matter what is in it, linux just opens it. no prbs
[07:51] <intelikey> liam the date there contains no year does it ?
[07:51] <semistud2354> yea thats it
[07:52] <semistud2354> do i download it from the websight or do i ge it from adept
[07:52] <intelikey> liam yes i understand the concept of plain text html files...
[07:52] <intelikey> liam  this is a school project ?
[07:52] <liam> well kinda
[07:52] <liam> im doing this at uni. some of my coursework
[07:52] <liam> i got the rest no bother
[07:52] <liam> just cant get this!!
[07:53] <liam> so im asking for help if thats ok
[07:53] <liam> you will be referenced in my report!
[07:53] <liam> thats correct, only the day and month are displayed
[07:53] <K`zan> How difficult / involved is it to swap an Nvidia card for an ATI in feisty under X?
[07:54] <semistud2354> ok i downloaded the package...
[07:54] <semistud2354> and installed it
[07:55] <Daisuke-Ido> K`zan: i'm going to pray you're not removing an nvidia and replacing it with an ATI
[07:55] <semistud2354> and i dont see a mycomputer or anything
[07:55] <sunux> hello
[07:55] <benn-> semistud2354: go into konqueror, and in the location bar type sysinfo://
[07:55] <benn-> and see if that works. If that does, we can make a shortcut for it
[07:55] <Jucato> sysinfo:/ (single /)
[07:56] <benn-> my bad
[07:56] <Jucato> semistud2354: like I said, it's is not a separate app. it's just Konqueror with "sysinfo:/" in the address bar
[07:56] <semistud2354> it doesnt work
[07:56] <semistud2354> lol
[07:57] <K`zan> Daisuke-Ido: Not yet, but I want to try it, I think the additional RAM will outperform the nvidia card - worked MUCH better in windoz for m$fsx than the nvidia card with 1/2 the RAM (128M) even though the nvidia card is supposed to be faster core and memory.
[07:57] <semistud2354> its an error
[07:57] <Daisuke-Ido> O_O
[07:57] <Daisuke-Ido> K`zan: man, you're fooling yourself
[07:57] <benn-> semistud2354: did you do sysinfo:/ or sysinfo://
[07:57] <semistud2354> i downloaded the
[07:57] <semistud2354> uhh
[07:57] <benn-> i mistakenly said to do it with //
[07:57] <semistud2354> sysinfo with one slash
[07:57] <Daisuke-Ido> it might have worked better in WINDOWS.
[07:57] <Daisuke-Ido> this isn't windows.
[07:57] <semistud2354> i tryed both actually
[07:57] <Jucato> semistud2354: you didn't forget the ':' (colon)?
[07:57] <semistud2354> i copied and pasted
[07:57] <semistud2354> nothing
[07:58] <Daisuke-Ido> this is much different than windows.  and ati hates linux.  hates them with a vengeance
[07:58] <K`zan> Daisuke-Ido: Don't think so, def got better frame rates.  Since there are no games I play under linux that isn't a real consideration.
[07:58] <semistud2354> 58704-kio-sysinfo_1.3-2_i386.deb
[07:58] <intelikey> liam try      ls --time-style '+%s'  --sort=time -l     and use awk to parse it.
[07:58] <semistud2354> thats the package i downloaded form the sight
[07:58] <Daisuke-Ido> K`zan: you're not listening to me.  ati's drivers are the WORST pieces of garbage under linux
[07:58] <K`zan> Daisuke-Ido: Only think I keep wincrap for anymore is m$fs...
[07:58] <semistud2354> theres another one
[07:58] <benn-> for (k)ubuntu for for debian, semistud2354?
[07:59] <underdog5004> http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[07:59] <semistud2354> sysinfo_1.3_powerpc
[07:59] <intelikey> or what ever format you need liam
[07:59] <Daisuke-Ido> you will have so many more problems with ati, and this isn't nvidia fanboying here
[07:59] <benn-> sorry, replace the first for with or?
[07:59] <underdog5004> K`zan, http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[07:59] <K`zan> Daisuke-Ido: Err, dunno what to say, had no problem with the ATI card under gentoo.
[07:59] <benn-> semistud2354: if you use an older mac, do the ppc.  if you use a PC or a macbook, go with the i386
[07:59] <administrator_> hi
[07:59] <intelikey> liam the time format is the same as date.   man date  for the  '+% '  info
[07:59] <K`zan> underdog5004: Checking now, thanks.
[07:59] <semistud2354> i use a regular laptop
[07:59] <semistud2354> lol
[08:00] <semistud2354> so i guess the i386
[08:00] <benn-> pc would come with windows
[08:00] <underdog5004> np
[08:00] <benn-> yeah
[08:00] <K`zan> underdog5004: aware of that, but it is unlikely that I'll be running m$fsx under linux :).
[08:00] <Friend> Hello.
[08:00] <intelikey> liam that will get you a usable time format that you can easily grep -c    and therefor be able to compare the freq. of occurance.
[08:00] <underdog5004> K`zan, sorry, I misunderstood
[08:01] <semistud2354> ill try reinstalling
[08:01] <Daisuke-Ido> now, if you just want to use the basic drivers and don't want any 3d, you're okay with ati...  though it hurts to say that.  but in that case the extra ram on the card isn't going to make a bit of difference
[08:01] <semistud2354> see if that works
[08:01] <Friend> Guys, does anyone know why booting with LiveCD doesn't load GUI/tells me that X server won't start?
[08:01] <benn-> semistud2354: i wish i could be more help, im using fedora at the moment so i cant really install it along with you
[08:01] <Daisuke-Ido> and elaborate, instead of shrinking down to m$fs(x)
[08:01] <K`zan> I guess I just swap cards and if X doesn't start try dpkg-reconfig x (I think).  Worse case is that I put the nvidia card back in.
[08:01] <Daisuke-Ido> what exactly do you run under windows?
[08:01] <semistud2354> its iight
[08:01] <intelikey> liam   if you need any more help on that you can ask; but for obvious reasons i don't want to just "do your home work for you"  :)
[08:01] <Daisuke-Ido> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:02] <liam> thanks alot! cheers for the help
[08:02] <K`zan> Daisuke-Ido: Understand, I am just not willing to dump a really decent machine in the trash to go with a PCIE video card at this point.
[08:02] <intelikey> np
[08:02] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[08:02] <benn-> Friend: sometimes it can't probe the videocard correctly, passing the kernel parameter of video=vesa should help if it just wont boot at all.  If you get a prompt, try Daisuke-Ido's suggestion
[08:02] <liam> i really wanna get this done by myself
[08:02] <semistud2354> wait....i got it to work
[08:02] <semistud2354> for some reason reinstalling it worked
[08:02] <intelikey> you can.   i just pointed you at some tools that will help.
[08:02] <benn-> semistud2354: well thats good
[08:02] <semistud2354> now how do i make it on my desktop
[08:03] <Friend> How do I pass a kernel parameter?
[08:03] <semistud2354> like a nice computer icon
[08:03] <intelikey> Friend at the boot prompt.
[08:03] <Friend> Is that like a shell variable?
[08:03] <liam> but thanks for your help. i jsu hit a wall
[08:03] <klobster> anyone know of a good frontend for building 3gp videos?
[08:03] <intelikey> Friend sorta,
[08:03] <Daisuke-Ido> K`zan: it's a matter of what will work best for you.  i was just pointing out that ati + linux != happy ending :)
[08:03] <liam> cheers again
[08:03] <K`zan> Daisuke-Ido: Or spend 1.5-2x the price for an inferior but better nvidia card.
[08:03] <Daisuke-Ido> at least not with the proprietary drivers
[08:03] <Daisuke-Ido> 2d should be fine under linux
[08:03] <Friend> Would I do something like export video=vesa??
[08:04] <Friend> Or where do I need to do it...?
[08:04] <liam> what are you trying to do friend?
[08:04] <K`zan> Daisuke-Ido: That will be good enough, nothing of significance that needs 3D under linux.
[08:04] <intelikey> Friend you can add it dirrectly into the menu.lst file or at the boot prompt exit the kernel line and add the pram.
[08:04] <semistud2354> now how do i make it on my desktop
[08:04] <Daisuke-Ido> nothing of significance that you use, perhaps :)
[08:04] <Friend> Well when I try booting with the Kubuntu LiveCD, X server won't start.
[08:04] <Friend> So I am wondering how to get it to work.
[08:04] <intelikey> Friend the syntax is the same either place.    video=vesa
[08:04] <K`zan> Daisuke-Ido: :-) just never found anything other than perhaps fgfs and x-plane that I would need it for...
[08:05] <Daisuke-Ido> fair enough :)
[08:05] <K`zan> :-)
[08:05] <liam> bye everyone! cheers for the help intelikey
[08:05] <Daisuke-Ido> i just can't let someone install an ati card in linux without letting them know about the downside
[08:05] <semistud2354> now how do i make sysinfo:/ on my desktop
[08:05] <andymeows> hey, can feisty fawn safely resize my windows partition?
[08:06] <Friend> intelikey: So when I boot with the LiveCD, I can only access the command-line, so where do I need to set "video=vesa"?
[08:06] <intelikey> Friend you can also reconfigure the xserver on the live CD.   when it boots (assuming its not a boot issue)  you can run    sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    in the console.
[08:06] <Jucato> semistud2354: right-click on the desktop -> Create New -> Link to location (URL), then put sysinfo:/ in the location. name it whatever you want
[08:06] <semistud2354> i did that
[08:06] <semistud2354> it wouldnt accept sysinfo as an option
[08:06] <intelikey> Friend   note the differance in  'boot prompt'  and  console.
[08:07] <Friend> I see.
[08:07] <semistud2354> thats workpath right
[08:07] <semistud2354> ??
[08:07] <K`zan> Thanks folks!
[08:07] <K`zan> Night
[08:07] <Friend> My memory is a little hazy. It is possible that I couldn't access the boot prompt either/
[08:07] <Jucato> semistud2354: I said, "Link to location" not Link to Application
[08:07] <Friend> I would just get the menu with the options of what I could do.
[08:07] <intelikey> Friend at the console do the reconfig    at the boot prompt (before anything loads)  you can add the kernel prametor   not after.
[08:07] <Jucato> sysinfo:/ is *NOT* as separate application
[08:09] <benn_> Friend and semistud2354: sorry internet crapped on me just there
[08:09] <benn_> Friend: when it's booting and asking if you want to start/install kubuntu, boot from harddrive etc, there should be another option in that list where you get to set the command yourself.  make it say 'linux video=vesa'
[08:09] <benn_> semistud2354: right click on the desktop, goto create new, then link to application
[08:09] <intelikey> Friend i say before anything loads.   actually grub has loaded and shows you the options if you hit f1.   that's the boot prompt.
[08:09] <benn_> semistud2354: under general, give it a name 'Computer' or 'My Computer', then on the Application tab, set it's command to be 'konqueror sysinfo:/' without quotes (double check me plz Jucato)
[08:10] <Jucato> benn_: I don't have sysinfo:/ installed. but he could just make a Link to location. it will open in Konqi anyway :)
[08:10] <Friend> Okay. I didn't know about F1.
[08:10] <Friend> Okay, thanks for all the advice.
[08:10] <semistud2354> just "konqueror sysinfo:/"
[08:10] <semistud2354> thats it
[08:10] <intelikey> Friend if you try to boot and after loading the kernel and all the modules it dumps you in a text only command thingy.   with  [ubuntu@localhost~]      or simular prompt.  that's a console.
[08:11] <Jucato> of course he never did listen to me... so *shrugs*
[08:11] <benn_> under the command section, yeah...
[08:11] <benn_> haha
[08:11] <Friend> I understand now.
[08:11] <Friend> Thanks :)
[08:11] <semistud2354> whats about work path
[08:11] <TryingToInstallU> is it easy to swap over to zfs?
[08:11] <intelikey> you bet.
[08:11] <semistud2354> ??
[08:11] <benn_> semistud2354: doesnt matter
[08:11] <benn_> leave it blank for default
[08:11] <semistud2354> ok sweet it works
[08:11] <semistud2354> thanx much guys
[08:11] <benn_> cool
[08:11] <benn_> you're welcome
[08:12] <benn_> Jucato: you started konqi hacking yet?
[08:12] <Jucato> nope. I'm trying to hack my brain first
[08:12] <benn_> yeah its tough, poorly written API
[08:12] <benn_> for the brain
[08:12] <intelikey> hack hack hack   don't you people ever get tired of that....
[08:12] <benn_> rarely
[08:12] <Jucato> not really
[08:13] <Jucato> I get tired of "intelikey" more than "hacking" :)
[08:13] <intelikey> lol
[08:13] <intelikey> probably true.
[08:13] <benn-> though my fun Qt4 project for the summer has turned into an unfun Qt4 project...
[08:13] <semistud2354> thanx again.....LONG LIVE LINUX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:13] <intelikey> :)
[08:14] <Daisuke-Ido> getting a creepy gestapo vibe from that one, sir.
[08:14] <KevinAlaska> Question here... any ubuntu basicly is considered a Debian OS, so you use .deb files for installation?
[08:14] <semistud2354> lin-HEIL
[08:14] <benn-> Daisuke-Ido: which one?
[08:14] <semistud2354> lol
[08:14] <benn-> ah, nevermind
[08:14] <semistud2354> that one??
[08:14] <benn-> haha
[08:14] <Daisuke-Ido> i rest my case
[08:14] <Jucato> KevinAlaska: it's based on Debian.yes
[08:14] <Friend> My other issue is, if I install Debian then I don't get this problem and I can start KDE. But at that point I can't get my sound/wireless adapter to work. The wireless adapter thing I think I have figured out (ndiswrapper). However, the sound is still and issue. It's on-board audio (Intel motherboard), but intel web site doesn't have Linux drivers listed for this motherboard.
[08:14] <intelikey> KevinAlaska no.
[08:15] <defrysk> KevinAlaska, ubuntu = debian based
[08:15] <Daisuke-Ido> and uses the apt packaging system
[08:15] <KevinAlaska> O.O
[08:15] <Daisuke-Ido> but not debian packages, for the most part.
[08:15] <intelikey> KevinAlaska based on debian. != basically debian
[08:15] <KevinAlaska> doh... looking at the http://www.aim.com/get_aim/linux/latest_linux.adp#deb2 download
[08:15] <Jucato> not Debian's packages. but the DEB package management system
[08:16] <kane__> hey i installed the newest nvidia drivers via envy and now upon rebooting i have to rmmod nvidia and then modprobe nvidia to get X to boot back up.  how can i correct that?
[08:16] <Daisuke-Ido> oh man
[08:16] <intelikey> but to some degree it is basically debian...    not an oximoron    but definatly moronic...
[08:16] <benn-> Debian 2.1??
[08:16] <Daisuke-Ido> their newest aim version is for debian woody?
[08:16] <Daisuke-Ido> ouch
[08:16] <KevinAlaska> heh.. intelikey
[08:16] <defrysk> kane__, envy is not supported by ubuntu
[08:16] <reldruh> hi. I'm having an issue using a remote with kubuntu. I have the drivers loaded and I installed IRKick, which is picking up every time I press a button. I just can't figure out how to map the buttons being pressed to actual actions in an application. The gui is confusing. Has anybody used it before?
[08:16] <Daisuke-Ido> KevinAlaska: Gaim/Pidgin or Kopete are your friends.
[08:16] <Friend> It was the last stable Debian before the newest one they release in April.
[08:17] <KevinAlaska> well Kopete does not seem to let me log in with my AIM account
[08:17] <benn-> KevinAlaska: i'd recommend GAIM if you're using ubuntu and Kopete if you're using Kubuntu as replacements to AIM
[08:17] <Daisuke-Ido> Friend: not true, Sarge came out back in 2004/5
[08:17] <KevinAlaska> keeps giving a bad password
[08:17] <benn-> KevinAlaska: checking my AIM now...
[08:17] <intelikey> Friend ?    woody sarge and now etch   ????
[08:17] <kane__> defrysk: i knows, but there is a config file floating around somewhere in my kubuntu system that is loading the wrong nvidia kernal module.
[08:17] <kane__> i just would like to know where its at.
[08:17] <benn-> KevinAlaska: mine works,kopete 0.12.4
[08:18] <Friend> I think it was sarge.
[08:18] <KevinAlaska> okay how do people send me the tells of sorts that make teh sounds so I know its directed to me?
[08:18] <defrysk> kane__, ask in alberto milone's forum in ubuntuforum.org
[08:18] <Friend> It was sarge.
[08:18] <defrysk> or whatever the url is
[08:18] <Jucato> KevinAlaska: we just mention your nick in the line
[08:18] <Daisuke-Ido> sarge was 3.0, 2004, woody was 2.1, back in what, 2001?
[08:18] <intelikey> sarge was 3.*   iirc
[08:18] <intelikey> yeah that
[08:18] <Jucato> etch is 4.0. that I'm sure :)
[08:18] <Friend> sarge is 3.1
[08:18] <Daisuke-Ido> true
[08:19] <intelikey> the subversion is not relevent to the release name.   just 2.   3.   4.
[08:19] <KevinAlaska> ahh.. thank you Jucato. :)
[08:19] <administrator_> hi
[08:19] <defrysk> kane__, I wrote a blog about envy actually , read http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2007/05/15/installing-nvidia-drivers-with-eny-on-ubuntu-feisty-fawn/ maybe it helps
[08:19] <Daisuke-Ido> and sid, of course, is forever unstable :D
[08:19] <Friend> The reason I am asking here is because the Debian irc/forums aren't helpful at all and only seem to have support for older hardware.
[08:19] <Daisuke-Ido> and i JUST got that >_>
[08:19] <Daisuke-Ido> o
[08:20] <administrator_> i need ti play Mp3 files by kubuntu....
[08:20] <Daisuke-Ido> i'm friggin slow tonight :\
[08:20] <kane__> defrysk: thanks.
[08:20] <defrysk> kane__, i use anvy myself so its your lucky day ;p
[08:20] <Daisuke-Ido> administrator_: install libxine-extracodecs
[08:20] <KevinAlaska> well I have fiesty and its all updated but kopete does not let me log in with my user name.  Probably not a software error but I am sure its not my error.  I checked it by logging in the www.aim.com site to check it out
[08:20] <intelikey> Daisuke-Ido lol
[08:20] <perpustakaan_> holah] 
[08:20] <benn-> Friend: if, in a console, you type lspci, what does it give for vendor/model of the sound/multimedia controller?
[08:20] <kane__> hehe, the drivers provided by ubuntu do not support my card : )
[08:20] <sfm39> Hello everyone! Would you please lead me to a right direction: I have my Internet connection lost every 10-15 minutes. It seems to happen only with web-browsers, and lynx has the same problem. When konqueror loses connection and unable to load a page, Kopete seems fine and I can use it well enough. wget do not seem to have this problem too, I've downloaded Kubuntu Feisty using wget; it worked the whole day (I have slow 64kbps connection) and it ran on one Inter
[08:20] <sfm39> ction. On Ubuntuforums nobody can give a clue on the same problem, so I decided to try here. If somebody can help it will be awesome.
[08:21] <Friend> For example, if I asked about my wireless adapter, on the Debian forums they would tell me to go away because there aren't any open-source drivers. But the ubuntu forums pointed me to ndiswrapper.
[08:21] <Daisuke-Ido> Friend: that's a huge difference in philosophy between the two distros
[08:21] <benn-> Friend: which card is the wireless card?
[08:21] <intelikey> yeah that's the debian mentality.
[08:21] <administrator_> benn do you with me>?
[08:21] <shadaab> hall! ich bin shadaab
[08:21] <Friend> It's one of those usb adapters. That isn't so much the problem as my sound not working.
[08:22] <administrator_> shadaaab
[08:22] <kane__> defrysk: yeah, actually that does help, i bet its because i didnt purge the old drivers
[08:22] <defrysk> kane__, thought so ;)
[08:22] <defcon> all I gotta do to install kubuntu on ubuntu is apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and apt-get install kde right?
[08:22] <benn-> administrator_: um... im trying to remember the package names. open adept and search for xine and install the nonfree package i think...
[08:22] <Friend> I'm pretty sure it would work because there are many threads on the ubuntu forums that talk about the same adapter and ndiswrapper working.
[08:22] <defrysk> defcon, and apt-get install kdm too
[08:22] <Friend> However, my sound problem is still not resolved.
[08:22] <Daisuke-Ido> defcon: just the first part
[08:22] <intelikey> defcon no
[08:22] <Daisuke-Ido> kubuntu-desktop installs kde
[08:23] <Daisuke-Ido> however
[08:23] <Daisuke-Ido> use aptitude
[08:23] <benn-> Friend: do you know what linux reports the soundcard as? the lspci command?
[08:23] <intelikey> defcon either part   but both is slightly redundant
[08:23] <defrysk> Daisuke-Ido, apt-get is safer to use
[08:23] <Daisuke-Ido> sudo aptitude install kubuntu desktop
[08:23] <defcon> kdm?
[08:23] <defcon> !kdm
[08:23] <administrator_> i need to play mp3 files on kubuntu............
[08:23] <administrator_> i need to play mp3 files on kubuntu............
[08:23] <administrator_> i need to play mp3 files on kubuntu............
[08:23] <administrator_> i need to play mp3 files on kubuntu............
[08:23] <administrator_> i need to play mp3 files on kubuntu............
[08:23] <benn-> Friend: type 'lspci | grep Audio' in a console and tell me the output
[08:23] <administrator_> i need to play mp3 files on kubuntu............
[08:23] <administrator_> i need to play mp3 files on kubuntu............
[08:23] <Friend> No, I don't. I haven't tried re-installing Kubuntu or Debian since then.
[08:23] <administrator_> i need to play mp3 files on kubuntu............
[08:23] <intelikey> defcon also   if you already have ubuntu-desktop  you may want   kde  rather than kubuntu-desktop
[08:23] <administrator_> i need to play mp3 files on kubuntu............
[08:24] <Daisuke-Ido> administrator_: GO AWAY
[08:24] <administrator_> i need to play mp3 files on kubuntu............
[08:24] <intelikey> administrator_ you need kicked out of here.
[08:24] <benn-> jeez and i even told him how.
[08:24] <Friend> I guess I won't get any help until I re-install. :)
[08:24] <Daisuke-Ido> me too
[08:24] <shadaab> hellooooooooo
[08:24] <kane__> doesnt kubuntu come with native m-3 support now?
[08:24] <defcon> intelikey, differenced?
[08:24] <kane__> er mp3.
[08:24] <perpustakaan_> mari membaca bukku
[08:24] <perpustakaan_> dsffadfds
[08:24] <perpustakaan_> hello there
[08:24] <Daisuke-Ido> okay, now, back to the kdm issue
[08:24] <intelikey> defcon the default apps.
[08:24] <Friend> But thanks for pointing me to lspi
[08:24] <benn-> Friend: can you see what i write?
[08:24] <defrysk> defcon, kde is kde desktop manager (for loggin in)
[08:24] <Daisuke-Ido> you don't NEED kdm, it will work fine with gdm
[08:24] <defrysk> kdm that is
[08:25] <benn-> Friend: i'd like to know the name of the card so i can help.
[08:25] <Friend> Sorry, I didn't see the last thing you said
[08:25] <sfm39> I'm sorry, would you please point me to a right direction?
[08:25] <benn-> Friend: type 'lspci | grep Audio' in a console and tell me the output
[08:25] <defrysk> kdm works better with kde
[08:25] <defcon> i know what kde is, but whats the diff between kde and kubuntu
[08:25] <Friend> It went by too fast
[08:25] <Jucato> defcon: (and defrysk) KDM = KDE Display Manager. the login manager for KDE
[08:25] <defrysk> Jucato, yes
[08:25] <Friend> Okay, well, it's on-board audio not a separate soundcard
[08:25] <Daisuke-Ido> defcon: kde is ubuntu + kde
[08:25] <intelikey> defcon both will give kde   but kubuntu-desktop will install all the default kubuntu apps too and change some of your settings.    kde wont.   it will give you all of kde without changing your defaults.
[08:25] <defcon> so install KDM and kubuntu ?
[08:25] <KevinAlaska> How can I make my numlock on my default when I start the computer and log in to KDE?
[08:25] <defrysk> defcon, yup
[08:25] <Daisuke-Ido> and as i was saying about aptitude
[08:25] <kane__> defcon: kubuntu is the distro Ubuntu with KDE Installed.  while ubuntu uses gnome.
[08:25] <benn-> Friend: i know, it should report vendor/model anyway
[08:25] <Jucato> KevinAlaska: System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard
[08:26] <intelikey> defcon not kdm.  no.
[08:26] <defcon> KDM first then Kubuntu?
[08:26] <Daisuke-Ido> using aptitude to install it will give you a better way to remove it if you don't like it
[08:26] <KevinAlaska> sweet.. thanks. :)
[08:26] <kane__> Ive always found the naming silly, they dont name it suse and Ksuse....
[08:26] <Friend> I am on WinXP right now, so I can't check until I re-install Debian/Kubuntu.
[08:26] <defcon> intelikey, ok so just kubuntu
[08:26] <defrysk> defcon, if you wish to switch between gdm and kdm remember this command : sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[08:26] <Jucato> KevinAlaska: but that only works after you've logged in
[08:26] <intelikey> defcon just   kde
[08:26] <defrysk> defcon, might com in hande
[08:26] <Friend> But I think it uses Sigmatel audio codec....
[08:26] <benn-> Friend: oh, ok. sorry for the confusion
[08:26] <intelikey> tru it you'll like it.
[08:26] <defrysk> handy
[08:26] <KevinAlaska> jucato thank you yet again! :)
[08:26] <benn-> Friend: its crazy in here tonight :)
[08:26] <Friend> :)
[08:27] <Friend> It is an intel sound chip
[08:27] <Friend> in any case
[08:27] <sfm39> I'm very sorry, is it possible to make Internet connection not being lost by browsers all the time?
[08:27] <benn-> ah, so it *should* use the snd-intel or snd-hda-intel alsa driver
[08:27] <Friend> And it didn't work on WinXP until I installed drivers for the motherboard. But, as I've said, Intel web site doesn't have Linux drivers for this motherboard.
[08:27] <benn-> it shouldn't need them
[08:28] <Friend> So it should work with Kubuntu?
[08:28] <benn-> which was the last you tried it with?
[08:28] <benn-> last linux you tried it with*
[08:29] <Friend> I only tried Debian. Kubuntu I couldn't get working because x server wouldn't start (the thing I was talking about before).
[08:29] <Friend> So chances are, if I install Kubuntu that it might work.
[08:29] <benn-> ah ok, which kubuntu did you try before? edgy or feisty? or older?
[08:29] <sfm39> All right, sorry to bother
[08:29] <Friend> edgy
[08:29] <Friend> and debian sarge
[08:29] <defcon> kubuntu-desktop wont interfere with gnome when I switch etc?
[08:30] <Jucato> it won't
[08:30] <defcon> good
[08:30] <benn-> give feisty a try, and remember the video=vesa thing if X doesn't work
[08:30] <Friend> Yeah thanks :)
[08:30] <defcon> is there a fluxbox ubuntu
[08:30] <Friend> Funny thing. Since then, they've also released a new Debian, so that might work too.
[08:30] <Daisuke-Ido> actually, there is, but it isn't official i don't think
[08:30] <defcon> ok
[08:31] <defcon> i was just wondering
[08:31] <defcon> i like kde/gnome
[08:31] <benn-> true, ive noticed kubuntu generally supports *more* hardware at least, but it would be worth a shot.
[08:31] <Friend> The problem with the debian community is that it isn't nearly as helpful as the k/ubuntu communities.
[08:31] <Daisuke-Ido> http://fluxbuntu.org/
[08:31] <Daisuke-Ido> that's the problem with almost every linux community
[08:31] <Friend> Well, thank you. I will all these things.
[08:32] <defcon> wgen I apt-get does the install packages stay in my system or do they delete themselves
[08:32] <defcon> ?
[08:32] <benn-> Daisuke-Ido: Splintering?
[08:32] <Friend> ...try all these things...
[08:32] <benn-> Daisuke-Ido: nvm im bad at keeping up] 
[08:32] <Daisuke-Ido> benn-: no, being kind to new users
[08:32] <Daisuke-Ido> :D
[08:32] <Jucato> defcon: they go to /var/cache/apt/archives until you "sudo apt-get clean" or when it periodically cleans it
[08:33] <defcon> Jucato, thankyou
[08:33] <benn-> yeah debian can be an offender at that.  The #fedora channel is pretty bad at it too, though the forums are good.
[08:33] <Daisuke-Ido> oh lord, it's 2:30 in the morning :\
[08:33] <Daisuke-Ido> it's so very much time for bed.
[08:33] <benn-> I'm generally in there helping new people, and someone's always making snide comments about how they should be able to figure it out themselves...
[08:34] <defcon> will I be able to access all my gnome apps in kubuntu
[08:35] <intelikey> underdog5004 oh did i put the 15 on mon  sorry meant for dom    my bad.
[08:35] <defcon> and is there a app that will better organize the kde menu's
[08:35] <defcon> kde menu's are quite annoying at times
[08:35] <defcon> with so many apps
[08:35] <benn-> defcon: gnome apps should be accessible, and no, the kde menus will probably be cluttered
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> defcon: you may want to look at kbfx
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> !kbfx
[08:36] <defcon> !kbfx >>defcon
[08:36] <usor> what happend?
[08:36] <defcon> !info
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> bots are not cooperating tonight
[08:36] <defcon> its cool
[08:36] <defcon> i got google
[08:36] <defcon> ;] 
[08:36] <benn-> theyre rising against us!
[08:36] <benn-> defcon: might also be in the repos, universe or multiverse
[08:36] <defcon> http://www.kbfx.org/
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> bbl
[08:37] <usor> people, what instant message is the best?
[08:37] <defcon> i wish I could Kill gnome and keep apps running and switch to kubuntu
[08:37] <defcon> but I guess thats not possible
[08:37] <reldruh> usor: what instant message program or protocol?
[08:38] <intelikey> defcon it is but you have to start them with something like screen   and/or  --nohup
[08:38] <usor> program.. any protocol..
[08:38] <defcon> intelikey, ok
[08:38] <defcon> Admiral_Chicago, do u use kbfx?
[08:39] <benn-> woot
[08:40] <reldruh> usor: I'm fond of kopete
[08:40] <sorush20> kdeinit could not launch konsole
[08:40] <sorush20> why?
[08:40] <Friend> See you later guys :)
[08:41] <usor> gaim?, monkey messenger?, amsn?
[08:42] <reldruh> usor: gaim is a gnome-centric messenger, I've never heard of monkey messenger and I think amsn is the name of the library used by kopete to connect to windows messenger, but I could be wrong
[08:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kbfx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:54] <weedar> reldruh: amsn is a different msn-clone, just like kopete (now you know)
[08:59] <reldruh> weedar: thanks :-)
[08:59] <reldruh> does anybody know of any IM programs (preferably KDE based) that support voice chats with google talk or aim?
[09:02] <KevinAlaska> finally... figured out what was causing the problem in logging into AIM through Kopete... seems that no matter how many characters your password IS.......... you only type in the first 8.  My password has 9 in it. I am sorry but that is lame.  You would think they would just trunk that last character
[09:02] <KevinAlaska> yeah.. I want google talk to be on Kopete. =/
[09:03] <spawn57> KevinAlaska: open a bug report
[09:04] <KevinAlaska> spawn57 don't know if it is a bug.  it read it off the kopete.kde.org website on the wiki part
[09:04] <spawn57> have any of you tried changing the icon for any of the folders in KDE?  They don't seem to work
[09:04] <KevinAlaska> it was said 'as a matter of fact' style.
[09:04] <spawn57> KevinAlaska: I think I've read about it, I think it's the server side the truncates the password to the first 8
[09:05] <KevinAlaska> or you mean that it 'should' trunk it
[09:05] <Edulix> spawn57: wow security to the max :P
[09:05] <spawn57> Edulix: yeah, go figure heh
[09:06] <reldruh> spawn57: I just changed the icon for a random folder and it worked fine
[09:06] <spawn57> where is the folder? in your home dir?
[09:07] <reldruh> spawn57: yes
[09:07] <KevinAlaska> I have to say... I think linux peeps are almost always good folk! :)
[09:07] <spawn57> reldruh: got acls on?
[09:07] <KevinAlaska> okay I said my nice thing for the day... :/
[09:08] <reldruh> spawn57: I'm not sure, I don't know what that is. if it's on by default, I haven't messed with it
[09:08] <spawn57> ..strange, i dunno why mine isn't working
[09:08] <spawn57> seems like it creates the .directory file, but it doesn't write anything in t
[09:09] <KevinAlaska> have you tried ducktape or a hammer to fix the problem? :P
[09:09] <intelikey> KevinAlaska no.   you have seen the better   not the worse.  both exist.
[09:09] <Jucato> KevinAlaska: you obviously haven't known intelikey long enough... :/
[09:09] <intelikey> Jucato !
[09:09] <intelikey> oh all the things.
[09:09] <Jucato> ok I'm gone. bye :)
[09:10] <KevinAlaska> intelikey, oh I know they are jerks in all walks of life. but in the linux world they are much much less to be found
[09:10] <intelikey> my mannor seems to be rubing off on you.
[09:10] <Jucato> intelikey: yes.. all kinds of manners :)
[09:10] <KevinAlaska> take care Juncato
[09:10] <Jucato> KevinAlaska: I was just kidding :)
[09:10] <intelikey> i know.  that's what's scary
[09:11] <KevinAlaska> <--- slower then a herd of wild rampaging turtles.
[09:11] <Jucato> KevinAlaska: btw, hang around regularly for a month... we'll see how fast that changes :)
[09:11] <KevinAlaska> juncato, can't you just tell me how fast?  I am to impatient
[09:11] <intelikey> i have gouged you so much that it's starting to return upon my own head....
[09:12] <Jucato> KevinAlaska: no I won't tell you. not after you misspelled my nick :P
[09:12] <Jucato> anyway, I'm really gone... back to studying
[09:12] <KevinAlaska> DOH!
[09:12] <KevinAlaska> Jucato.. I didnt' miss spell it.. I was simply providing an alternative way of spelling it. :)
[09:12] <intelikey> :)
[09:12] <Jucato> brilliant save :)
 juncato,  <<<<<  looks mispelled to me
[09:13] <KevinAlaska> :P
[09:13] <KevinAlaska> heh
[09:13] <Jucato> unfortnately, my name disagrees :)
[09:13] <KevinAlaska> ummm.. is your name telling you this, Jucato?
[09:13] <KevinAlaska> the voices have returned
[09:13] <intelikey> KevinAlaska they never left...
[09:13] <KevinAlaska> heh
[09:14] <intelikey> :)
[09:14] <Jucato> hush! you're drowning out the voices
[09:14] <KevinAlaska> shoot.. I cant think of anything witty.. :(
[09:14] <intelikey> did i mention that Jucato is our local networking professional guru  ?
[09:14] <KevinAlaska> no.. just adding to the voices.. I should know I have them as well.  Just no volume control.
[09:15] <Jucato> you forgot to mention that it isn't true as well :)
[09:15] <intelikey> some times i get around to that....
[09:15] <KevinAlaska> heh.. so basicly just send all my questions of my new found Newbie live over to Jucato... let me write that down (scribbles a note)
[09:16] <intelikey> specally the networking Q's
[09:16] <KevinAlaska> so how do you spell Jucato.. I need it for my notes
[09:16] <KevinAlaska> ?
[09:16] <Jucato> G-O-D... Jucato
[09:16] <intelikey> yes and what's that nine one one  number again,  we may need it.
[09:16] <KevinAlaska> got it.. D... O.. G... thanks
[09:17] <Jucato> dyslexic...
[09:17] <intelikey> lysdexic you mean ?
[09:18] <KevinAlaska> you are ... I K N E W IT!!!  I am good and finding things like that out about others.. =P
[09:18] <KevinAlaska> :P
[09:19] <MrC_> Hello fellas
[09:19] <intelikey> MrC_
[09:19] <KevinAlaska> howdy MrC_ :)
[09:19] <MrC_> I was just wondering how to install
[09:20] <intelikey> what ?
[09:20] <KevinAlaska> is there a way to see if my name got registered on the server?
[09:20] <MrC_> Windows applications on wine
[09:20] <intelikey> KevinAlaska  /nick bologan      and  /nick KevinAlaska
[09:20] <MrC_> Can i install any .EXE applications on Wine?
[09:20] <intelikey> if it's regestered you'll be messaged that you should identify.
[09:20] <MrC_> and how to install it?
[09:21] <intelikey> KevinAlaska also you can pm someone
[09:21] <KevinAlaska> ahhh.
[09:21] <intelikey> if it works you are registered
[09:21] <intelikey> no not me.
[09:21] <intelikey> someone.
[09:22] <KevinAlaska> lol
[09:22] <intelikey> :)
[09:22] <intelikey> MrC_ wine /path/to/file.exe
[09:22] <KevinAlaska> actually I looked at the list and you were the first name that came up that I could bother
[09:23] <dizzzz> hello, I'm having a bad dependency problem (between python) when I tried to upgrade from edgy to feisty
[09:23] <KevinAlaska> so what is the difference between wine and crossover... both are made by the same people right?
[09:23] <dizzzz> can anybody give me some hints please?
[09:23] <intelikey> yeah i started to just say /msg me  but that sounded like an open invite   and  i don't want the whole channel pinging me off the web
[09:24] <martinjh99> Morning - How do I play application/x-mplayer Unknown plugin files in firefox..?
[09:24] <dizzzz> the error is apt-get -f install => unmet dependencies: gconf2: Depends: python (>= 2.5) but 2.4.3-11ubuntu3 is to be installed
[09:25] <intelikey> dizzzz dpkg --configure -a | head -35  and see what hung it up.
[09:25] <alx_> dizzzz, sources.list?
[09:26] <intelikey> alx_ kinda looks like it don't it.
[09:26] <dizzzz> thanks guys
[09:26] <intelikey> dizzzz  aptitude install -f
[09:27] <intelikey> the differance should be a recommended solution to the issue.
[09:27] <KevinAlaska> okay... I have configured the KDE for as much as I know that I can configure it.. now to try the USB NTFS drive I have had problems with getting to come up.  Worked last saturday night and when I turned on the puter the next day I had the problem where KDE would not even show it up except to be seen in "NTFS Configuration" program.  I would select it in there but 'nothing' came up in KDE or in media. so wish me luck. =/
[09:28] <dizzzz> ok ... progressing !!
[09:28] <spawn57> KevinAlaska: a usb ntfs drive? giving problems?
[09:28] <spawn57> ..strange
[09:28] <secret> Hey guys
[09:29] <intelikey> sssh
[09:29] <secret> Does anyone know how I add a new kubuntu theme?
[09:29] <intelikey> it's a secret
[09:29] <secret> Thanks
[09:29] <secret> ;)
[09:29] <intelikey> !themes
[09:29] <spawn57> hehe
[09:29] <KevinAlaska> spawn57 ... he.. I was in a sentence responding to you when I "SLOWLY" picked out the sarcasm...
[09:29] <secret> I mean, I download the TZ.GZ file, then what?
[09:30] <intelikey> !ubotu
[09:30] <intelikey> where is the bot....
[09:30] <intelikey> well there is a wiki page all about that.
[09:30] <secret> link thankyou friend?
[09:30] <intelikey> i don't have the address.   the bot is down.
[09:31] <secret> what's the bot?
[09:31] <intelikey> ubotu
[09:31] <secret> tnew to linux :)
[09:31] <spawn57> secret: system settings -> appearence -> theme manager
[09:31] <secret> ok
[09:31] <secret> Yes, but can't seem to add a new theme.. dosen't recognise the tz.gz file
[09:32] <Jucato> !changethemes | secret
[09:32] <Jucato> bah forgot the bot is down
[09:32] <Jucato> secret: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[09:32] <intelikey> wiki.ubuntu.com   <<< secret good to search there for any ubuntu question
[09:32] <secret> thanks for the link, I will read now. Appreciated
[09:32] <secret> thanks guys peace
[09:33] <Jucato> intelikey: er... kinda no.
[09:33] <intelikey> and help.ubuntu.com
[09:33] <Jucato> wiki.ubuntu.com is now just used for development-related pages (specs, projects, teams, people)
[09:33] <KevinAlaska> FRICKEN FRACKEN & Something else that ends with cken... =/  stupid NTFS USB Drive does not come up on this puter anymore in kubuntu and with a new installation, even those it works on this puter with WinXP
[09:33] <intelikey> Jucato ?   oh.   sorry my bad.
[09:34] <Jucato> help.ubuntu.com is the official documentation site, and help.ubuntu.com/community is the community/user-written documentation
[09:34] <intelikey> secret just help.ubuntu.com    not wiki.ubuntu.com    i stand corrected.
[09:34] <KevinAlaska> your standing???
[09:34] <spawn57> KevinAlaska: type in dmesg in a console window erad the last 10 lines or so, it'll show something about a new drive being detected
[09:34] <intelikey> you don't stand under me do you ?
[09:35] <intelikey> @ KevinAlaska
[09:35] <KevinAlaska> Pft!
[09:35] <KevinAlaska> I have USB business to attend to now. :P
[09:36] <KevinAlaska> dmesg shows something about a scsi generic sg0 type 0 attached.. but this is USB?
[09:36] <KevinAlaska> spawn57
[09:37] <spawn57> that can't be right
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8334.472521]  usbcore: registered new interface driver libusual
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8334.490241]  Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8334.490298]  scsi4 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8334.490341]  usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8334.490344]  USB Mass Storage support registered.
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8334.490457]  usb-storage: device found at 5
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8334.490459]  usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8339.492237]  usb-storage: device scan complete
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8339.492614]  scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access     Maxtor 6 Y160P0                PQ: 0 ANSI: 0
[09:37] <spawn57> whoa whoa
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8339.521211]  SCSI device sda: 320173056 512-byte hdwr sectors (163929 MB)
[09:37] <spawn57> hold the pasting
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8339.522456]  sda: Write Protect is off
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8339.522458]  sda: Mode Sense: 33 00 00 00
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8339.522460]  sda: assuming drive cache: write through
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8339.523704]  SCSI device sda: 320173056 512-byte hdwr sectors (163929 MB)
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8339.525715]  sda: Write Protect is off
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8339.525720]  sda: Mode Sense: 33 00 00 00
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8339.525722]  sda: assuming drive cache: write through
[09:37] <intelikey> KevinAlaska all hd's are running through scsi emulation.
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8339.526183]   sda: sda1
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8339.547635]  sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sda
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> [ 8339.561255]  sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> some usb stuf fup there too
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> doh.. sorry. (sniff sniff)
[09:37] <spawn57> haha
[09:38] <spawn57> you gotta use pastebin.com if you're going to paste those many lines
[09:38] <KevinAlaska> ahhh.. sounds like an odd thing to do.... but what do I know... well not much.
[09:38] <KevinAlaska> pastebin.com?  ahhh.. I will check it out.
[09:38] <spawn57> [ 8339.523704]  SCSI device sda: 320173056 512-byte hdwr sectors (163929 MB) <-- could that be your usb hard drive?
[09:38] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[09:38] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:38] <ubotu> secret: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy for a guide. [Kubuntu]  For a Kubuntu guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[09:38] <intelikey> talk about lag
[09:39] <intelikey> yaay for ubotu...
[09:39] <KevinAlaska> yes. :)
[09:39] <spawn57> no icon on your desktop when you plug it in?
[09:40] <KevinAlaska> nope.. no icon sense saturday night... two installs ago
[09:40] <spawn57> alright
[09:40] <intelikey> KevinAlaska does unpluging and repluging it add anything in the dmesg output.    just answer don't show us.
[09:40] <spawn57> unplug the mofo again, open up a console
[09:40] <spawn57> do sudo -i
[09:40] <spawn57> and type in udevmonitor
[09:40] <spawn57> and plug in that bad boy
[09:40] <MrC_> Ubotu keep your hands off the keyboard
[09:41] <KevinAlaska> ahhh.. but I want to P A S T E ! !  fine. one sec.
[09:41] <intelikey> MrC_ it's a bot
[09:41] <MrC_> i know
[09:41] <dizzzz> thanks **A LOT** intelikey -- it all worked perfectly !!!!
[09:41] <MrC_> I was just kidding
[09:41] <intelikey> it will answer you tho
[09:41] <intelikey> dizzzz well.  good on ya mate
[09:42] <dizzzz> :-D
[09:42] <KevinAlaska> need to compare the two outputs of dmesg.. one moment
[09:44] <intelikey> KevinAlaska if the last line is the same there is no change
[09:45] <KevinAlaska> okay .. heh.. then no change
[09:45] <intelikey> hmmmm.
[09:45] <MrC_> hey intelikey i am thinking to install MintLinux as well on my laptop,do you think it will work well with Ubuntu/Kubuntu?
[09:46] <KevinAlaska> thought about mounting it internally just to get teh stuff off of it. but it sees the drive though.. just on on the desktop or in the 'storage media' folder
[09:46] <intelikey> test what spawn57 said KevinAlaska unplug .. open up a konsole ... sudo udevmonitor ... and plug in that bad boy
[09:46] <KevinAlaska> badboy is correct.. okay. will try it out intelikey
[09:47] <MrC_> Can i get MintLinux via terminal?
[09:47] <spawn57> one sec on the phone
[09:47] <intelikey> spawn57 he's now running your test.   next output will prolly be from that....
[09:48] <spawn57> Hwen you plug it you'll get feedback
[09:48] <spawn57> it'll be detected
[09:48] <intelikey> we hope
[09:48] <intelikey> ;/
[09:48] <KevinAlaska> OOOohhh!!! Nifty!!! I saw stuff come up! ((my simple mind enjoys these simple pleasures!!))
[09:49] <intelikey> does it give a device name ?   /dev/sd<something>
[09:50] <spawn57> do you have an entry in your fstab for it?
[09:50] <KevinAlaska> gives about 30 different lines with 30 different paths..
[09:51] <spawn57> KevinAlaska: as in you plug in, the drive, and udevmonitor spits out a whole lot of crap?
[09:51] <KevinAlaska> yeppers
[09:51] <defcon> where do I find the desktop widgets in kde
[09:52] <spawn57> that bascially means that linux detects the new device, ..the mounting part depends on a program called pmount
[09:52] <intelikey> Q wouldn't a line in the fstab that has the " $uuid $mountpoint ntfs3g noauto,user,users,dmask=000,fmask=111 0 0  "   work for a usb drive ?   allowing any user to mount it at will by addressing the mountpoint ?
[09:52] <Jucato> !superkaramba | defcon
[09:52] <ubotu> defcon: superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[09:53] <spawn57> intelikey: you don't need a line your fstab for it, it'll be detected and mounted automatically by pmount
[09:53] <spawn57> KevinAlaska: so if you have have a line in your fstab for that usb drive, comment it out.  Unplug it and plug it in again
[09:53] <intelikey> spawn57 i didn't ask about pmount.   i asked about using fstab
[09:54] <intelikey> wouldn't it work ?
[09:54] <KevinAlaska> and... umm.. heh... fstab is located where?
[09:54] <spawn57> hmm not sure what dmask and fmask do..
[09:54] <spawn57> KevinAlaska: all configuration files are located in /etc
[09:54] <defcon> !defaultapps
[09:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about defaultapps - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:54] <KevinAlaska> got it.. looking up
[09:54] <defcon> !kde-defaults
[09:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde-defaults - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:55] <defcon> hmm where can I find default app launch for firefox
[09:55] <PhinnFort> defcon: ?
[09:55] <PhinnFort> defcon: what do you mean
[09:55] <defcon> when I click a link it opens opera
[09:55] <spawn57> intelikey: but my point was, if you have a removeable device, don't bother adding lines to fstab
[09:55] <intelikey> spawn57 the *masks are ok  that's not really the Q  the idea of using the uuid for the fs so that it doesn't need a static device node was the Q
[09:55] <defcon> i want it to open firefox
[09:55] <PhinnFort> defcon: where?
[09:55] <Jucato> defcon: System Settings -> Default Applications
[09:55] <spawn57> intelikey: ahh I see
[09:56] <intelikey> spawn57 you assume kde  well you assume a gui.  which i dont normally use
[09:56] <defcon> I dont have that Jucato do I need to install kde on top of kubuntu desktop?
[09:56] <PhinnFort> defcon: alt+f2, kcontrol, search for default, and set the default browser
[09:56] <Jucato> defcon: if you have installed kubuntu-desktop you should have that
[09:56] <spawn57> intelikey: gotcha
[09:56] <Jucato> K Menu -> System Settings
[09:56] <spawn57> spawn57: i assume hal specifically =D
[09:57] <KevinAlaska> there is listed in /etc a /etc/fstab.pre-ntfs-config... not sure if it means anything but I thought I would throw that out there
[09:57] <intelikey> yeah which i don't use either.
[09:57] <spawn57> KevinAlaska: back up before you isntalled ntfs.3g
[09:57] <KevinAlaska> nothing i there about it
[09:57] <spawn57> you don't have an /etc/fstab at all?
[09:57] <KevinAlaska> no worries.. dont have anything on here work saving
[09:58] <defcon> if I apt-get kde to get the kde default apps on top of kubuntu desktop will I have any issues?
[09:58] <spawn57> defcon: nope
[09:58] <intelikey> KevinAlaska looks like you probably want to copy the /etc/fstab.pre-ntfs-config  over the /etc/fstab   but you want to make sure that's what you need first.
[09:58] <defcon> ok
[09:58] <spawn57> intelikey: he left =|
[09:58] <intelikey> indeed
[09:59] <spawn57> i'm gonan go out, later guys
[09:59] <defcon> looks like he rebooted
[09:59] <defcon> or something
[09:59] <defcon> lol
[09:59] <spawn57> hehe without an /etc/fstab
[09:59] <spawn57> that's not good....
[09:59] <defcon> HAHA
[09:59] <intelikey> fstab is not needed
[09:59] <spawn57> hope he has his install cd handy hehe
[09:59] <PhinnFort> he will probably be dropped to root shell
[09:59] <intelikey> nope
[09:59] <intelikey> fstab is not needed
[09:59] <PhinnFort> root is supplied in grub
[09:59] <spawn57> linux mounts the root parition?
[09:59] <spawn57> ahhhhh
[10:00] <spawn57> so many layers in linux/unix
[10:00] <PhinnFort> but any other partitions (like my /home) wouldn't be mounted
[10:00] <defcon> any easy way to encrypt my whole hdd and ask for a password before booting into ubuntu?
[10:00] <PhinnFort> !encrypt
[10:00] <Jucato> defcon: once you installed kubuntu-desktop, it has installed kubuntu's default settings, which always takes priority (overrides) any KDE default setting if the two ever conflict
[10:00] <intelikey> he may not have a home   but the system will run just fine
[10:00] <PhinnFort> defcon: there should be
[10:00] <PhinnFort> defcon: long time since I looked into it, but it's absolutely very possible
[10:01] <PhinnFort> !botsnack
[10:01] <PhinnFort> !luks
[10:01] <defcon> yea Ive looked into it, there is allot of command line crap to do
[10:01] <PhinnFort> defcon: http://luks.endorphin.org/
[10:01] <defcon> im not that good yet in command line
[10:01] <intelikey> now.  if /usr  is on another fs then you'll have issues   or /var   but other than that you pretty much can run fstab'less
[10:01] <PhinnFort> defcon: command line is good, it's the most efficient way to do stuff
[10:01] <defcon> PhinnFort, any tips and tricks site for command line
[10:01] <Jucato> "effecient" being a subjective term...
[10:01] <PhinnFort> and now also the Xorg in Ubuntu is patched to run without an xorg.conf
[10:01] <defcon> i know the basics
[10:01] <intelikey> fstab'less    almost sounds dirty...
[10:02] <PhinnFort> !cli
[10:02] <PhinnFort> where is that darn bot?
[10:02] <defcon> overloaded
[10:02] <PhinnFort> :P
[10:02] <defcon> bufferoverflow
[10:02] <PhinnFort> http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[10:02] <RadiantFire> it isn't patched to run without, its development from upstream
[10:02] <spawn57> intelikey: fsck you, mount my ..um..
[10:02] <spawn57> anyway I'm off
[10:02] <spawn57> later guys
[10:02] <PhinnFort> RadiantFire: ah, ok
[10:02] <defcon> PhinnFort, thankyou
[10:02] <PhinnFort> yw;)
[10:03] <RadiantFire> PhinnFort: 7.3 is expected to be able to run without an xorg.conf period
[10:03] <RadiantFire> I'm excited...
[10:03] <intelikey> later spawn57
[10:03] <PhinnFort> RadiantFire: how to specificy server flags et al then?
[10:03] <RadiantFire> PhinnFort: I think it will save its state somehow
[10:03] <PhinnFort> sounds very nice
[10:03] <RadiantFire> PhinnFort: so it'll just reload with a last known good state
[10:04] <PhinnFort> I read about it a long time ago, when 7.2 came out or something
[10:04] <RadiantFire> PhinnFort: yeah, we'll finally be caught up to the rest of the commercial operating systems
[10:04] <PhinnFort> ;)
[10:04] <RadiantFire> I'm just happy that the resolution detection on the fly works so well in system settings
[10:04] <PhinnFort> well, Xorg is a huge beast
[10:04] <RadiantFire> that I can use an external projector now, without having to do all sorts of config file hacking
[10:04] <intelikey> PhinnFort not so bad when you remove all the unused modules
[10:04] <hydan> is there a kubuntu iso under 650mb?
[10:05] <KevinAlaska2> hummm... was it me or my ISP .. who knows.
[10:05] <RadiantFire> hydan: bo
[10:05] <RadiantFire> hydan: o
[10:05] <PhinnFort> *no
[10:05] <hydan> boo?
[10:05] <PhinnFort> :P
[10:05] <RadiantFire> hydan: sorry, having typing troubles
[10:05] <RadiantFire> no
[10:05] <intelikey> KevinAlaska2 ! i
[10:05] <hydan> eek,
[10:05] <hydan> net install?
[10:05] <RadiantFire> well, third times the charm, and I did finally get it
[10:05] <hydan> anyting?
[10:05] <epimeth> and a good morning fellow lurkers!
[10:05] <KevinAlaska2> heh.. yeah yeah.. stupid ISP
[10:05] <PhinnFort> it's 10:06
[10:05] <RadiantFire> hydan: I don't think so, although tghere is always "debbootstrap"
[10:05] <KevinAlaska2> good old Alaska technology
[10:05] <epimeth> 11:06, actually :-)
[10:06] <PhinnFort> ;)
[10:06] <intelikey> hydan yes there is a net install i think.   check ubuntu.com
[10:06] <Jucato> !netinstall | hydan
[10:06] <Jucato> ugh! I keep forgettng...
[10:06] <intelikey> epimeth
[10:06] <intelikey> Jucato how old are you ?
[10:06] <Jucato> that's classified information
[10:07] <KevinAlaska2> so did I loose #57?
[10:07] <epimeth> yes intelikey?
[10:07] <intelikey> you're not old enough to keep forgetting that one thing every 3 minutes
 and a good morning fellow lurkers!
[10:07] <flake> is the ext3 partition is my main personal stuff ?
[10:07] <intelikey> so i spoke
[10:07] <Jucato> intelikey: not when calling the bot is like 2nd nature...
[10:07] <epimeth> there's no such thing... as long as he's older than 18 he's allowed to forget anything he wants to
[10:07] <flake> it's the biggest
[10:07] <epimeth> ah of course :-)
[10:08] <intelikey> Jucato and it's not for me ?
[10:08] <hydan> well. here's another option, but i really the community to help me on this. i've got a fresh ubuntu install, and i could easily apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, and then remove ubuntu-desktop, but that'd leave so many files on the system that i don't want.
[10:08] <hydan> unless someone knows a better way to do this.
[10:08] <hydan> ....
[10:08] <hydan> ?
[10:08] <Jucato> hydan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/ and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[10:08] <epimeth> Jucato: problem is, sometimes I can't log into irc and then I get pissed off that ubotu can't help me
[10:09] <epimeth> hydan: it's too late for this, but you could have installed a "command line only" from the alternate install disk... that way ubuntu-desktop wouldn't have been installed
[10:09] <Jucato> hydan: for your second question: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[10:09] <PhinnFort> ubotu: GOOD MORNING!
[10:09] <hydan> Jucato: sweet, does this offer the partition option?
[10:09] <Jucato> epimeth: he can't erase his cd-rw to burn kubuntu on it
[10:09] <Jucato> hydan: dunno. just looked it up
[10:09] <epimeth> who besides doctors and architects still use RWs???
[10:10] <Jucato> er.. just one hand
[10:10] <epimeth> why???
[10:10] <Jucato> just for temporary stuff I know I won't need again for some time
[10:10] <hydan> Jucato: wow.
[10:10] <PhinnFort> \o/
[10:10] <epimeth> lol
[10:10] <Jucato> but not to burn something as important as Kubuntu :)
[10:10] <PhinnFort> because I love livecd
[10:10] <PhinnFort> s
[10:11] <epimeth> it's like "oh! oh! pick me! me me me! ohpleaseohpleasepickme!!!!!
[10:11] <KevinAlaska2> Jucato... my networking guru friend... if I use a wireless doggle and my cable modem.  is there a way to combine the bandwidth if they are from two different sources?  Dont need a howto though, at least not tonight
[10:11] <epimeth> "
[10:11] <Jucato> KevinAlaska2: you believe in intelikey too much. I know nothing about networking
[10:11] <PhinnFort> he's lying!
[10:11] <KevinAlaska2> INTELIKEY!!!! May I have a word with you?
[10:12] <PhinnFort> he has lots of friends
[10:12] <intelikey> hydan you can drop to a console, sudo -i  to put you in a root shell,  apt-get remove libgnome* && apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ;apt-get install deborphan ;while deborphan | grep [A-z]  ;do $SU apt-get --purge remove `deborphan` ;done
[10:12] <epimeth> problem with burning kubuntu is that you know that in 3 months you're gonna grab the alpha, then the beta, then the beta, then the beta, and then you'll have to chuck them all and get the new release...
[10:12] <KevinAlaska2> I feel like a child being bounced back adn forth between his parents.. "go ask your father" and "go ask your mother".. =/
[10:12] <intelikey> that should affectively change a ubuntu boxen to a kubuntu boxen
[10:13] <intelikey> PhinnFort not a matter of preferance.  seems to be a matter of avalability for him.
[10:13] <PhinnFort> well, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde answered quite nicely;)
[10:14] <epimeth> KevinAlaska2: yea, it's called "load balancing" and you need a load balancer for that... its definitely possible but way beyond my current expertice
[10:14] <KevinAlaska2> brb
[10:14] <intelikey> ya do what you can with what you have to do it with
[10:14] <KevinAlaska2> doh.. okay thank you though. I will look it up though. :)
[10:14] <PhinnFort> !loadbalancing
[10:14] <epimeth> lol
[10:14] <PhinnFort> :D
[10:14] <epimeth> ubotu's smart, but not *that* smart
[10:14] <PhinnFort> well, he's dead
[10:15] <intelikey> ubotu is dead today
[10:15] <intelikey> we got a post from him hour or so ago
[10:15] <intelikey> it was several minutes behind
[10:15] <Jucato> he's not dead. just goofing around
[10:15] <intelikey> :)
[10:15] <epimeth> yea... just pm'ed him, he isn't responding
[10:15] <intelikey> prolly being cracked
[10:16] <PhinnFort> well, would someone be allowed to write a simple python bot that just queried http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?
[10:16] <intelikey> epimeth yes but he may respond to that pm in about 15 minutes and you'll have forgotten doing it...
[10:16] <KevinAlaska2> doh.. its late for me.. my USB woes will have to be put on hold until another day of IRC looney chat. :)  best wishes everyone,
[10:16] <epimeth> that psychocats article is damn useful... thanks PhinnFort... I'll keep it saved for future "how do I erase gnome and install kde" questions :-)
[10:16] <KevinAlaska2> Remember.. all questions should be submitted to intelikey first..
[10:17] <intelikey> oh KevinAlaska2
[10:17] <intelikey> wait you missed my post
[10:17] <PhinnFort> epimeth: it was Jucato who posted it first
[10:17] <KevinAlaska2> O.O
[10:17] <PhinnFort> ;)
[10:17] <intelikey> KevinAlaska looks like you probably want to copy the /etc/fstab.pre-ntfs-config  over the /etc/fstab   but you want to make sure that's what you need first.
[10:17] <KevinAlaska2> what post?  ((taps foot impatiently))
[10:17] <intelikey> reposted for you   ^
[10:17] <epimeth> well thanks Jucato!
[10:17] <Jucato> O.o
[10:17] <Jucato> :)
[10:18] <KevinAlaska2> okay.. I will try it and see what happens..
[10:18] <Jucato> thank my bookmarks :P
[10:18] <epimeth> hehe
[10:19] <epimeth> I'm impressed... nothing was broken today... usually I have to fight with either amarok or knetman... everything loaded just fine this time!
[10:19] <KevinAlaska2> is there a way to load into ubuntu wiht out going into X first but just into BASH I guess?  meaning if something happens when I copy the file over?  I dont mind looseing my current config and jsut reinstalling but hay.. if I can avoid it? :)
[10:19] <epimeth> KevinAlaska2: alt+ctrl+f1/2/3/4/5 at any point
[10:19] <KevinAlaska2> EPIMETH.. FIND WOOD FAST and KNOCK on it.. :) just twice though.
[10:19] <flake> ctrl - alt - F1  from the login screen
[10:19] <KevinAlaska2> ahh.. right.. thanks. forgot about those
[10:19] <intelikey> PhinnFort that page is for getting "back to kde" he never had it yet...     and yes i know it has useful info on his Q  don't get me wrong.  just having to wade through the non-pertanant to get there.
[10:20] <Jucato> hm... my head is made of Polyester...
[10:20] <Jucato> previously it was made of Plastik
[10:20] <PhinnFort> ;)
[10:20] <KevinAlaska2> polyester is an oil by product.. :P
[10:20] <PhinnFort> my head was previously made of QtCurve, which makes absolutely no sense
[10:20] <epimeth> KevinAlaska2: but x will still be running in the 6th terminal... in order to not start x at all you have to either set a different default initlevel or remove kdm from initlevel 6
[10:20] <epimeth> or is it 7th terminal?  I can never remenber
[10:20] <KevinAlaska2> right.. init 5 and 3 right?
[10:20] <Jucato> 7th
[10:21] <KevinAlaska2> just not zero
[10:21] <Jucato> actually I heard Kubuntu does something weird with runlevels...
[10:21] <intelikey> :)
[10:21] <Jucato> or rather Ubuntu (Kubuntu follows suit)
[10:21] <epimeth> btw... inittab doesn't exist anymore... where can I set/get my default init level nowadays?
[10:21] <flake> I do who -a  and I get me plus tty0-tty6, system boot and something else.. guess that's normal
[10:21] <epimeth> Jucato: it's not weird... just different from most distros
[10:22] <KevinAlaska2> Intelikey, should I try that copy of pre-ntfs in the terminal then now?  and with or with otu the plug in of the USB?
[10:22] <Jucato> epimeth: no I meant that it starts kdm from runlevel 3 or something instead of 5.. or something like that...
[10:22] <Jucato> I can't recall exactly.. and I'm not a runlevel kind of guy
[10:22] <Jucato> I just run :)
[10:22] <flake> dammt I need another machine to spearmint on...  i count 3 i have full control over, and all 3 are as i like them
[10:23] <KevinAlaska2> jucato is bragging.. heh.. as I would. :)
[10:23] <intelikey> KevinAlaska2 may i sujest; sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak ;sudo cp /etc/fstab.pre-ntfs-config /etc/fstab
[10:23] <flake> oww.oowww..  quit fstabbing me
[10:24] <intelikey> KevinAlaska2 and you'll prolly find it the most simple to "reboot" to affect that change.   it's not mandatory if you don't like to reboot.
[10:24] <KevinAlaska2> humm.. let me think about if you can sujest that or not.. .... .... ..... ... ahh hell.. sure you can. :)  (all serious.. thanks for the help)
[10:24] <KevinAlaska2> full reboot or control plus alt plus backspace?
[10:24] <intelikey> full
[10:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about encrypt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:25] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[10:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about luks - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:25] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[10:25] <epimeth> who... look who just woke up!
[10:25] <ubotu> hydan: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[10:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about good morning! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about loadbalancing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is dead today - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:26] <intelikey> one could    sudo umount -a ;sudo umount `cut -d' ' -f2 /proc/mounts `   ;sudo mount -a
[10:27] <defcon> wow
[10:27] <defcon> talk about lag
[10:27] <defcon> lol
[10:27] <intelikey> errr the second may cause issues if you don't   sudo /etc/init.d/mountver* start
[10:27] <intelikey> defcon yes.
[10:27] <PhinnFort> but is it stable now?
[10:27] <PhinnFort> !botsnack
[10:27] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[10:27] <PhinnFort> hurray
[10:28] <KevinAlaska2> intelikey, rebooting and will be back to let you know about it.
[10:28] <intelikey> hacker/cracker got tired and left... or got what they wanted...
[10:28] <intelikey> KevinAlaska2 ok.
[10:29] <intelikey> or the owner put a stop to it ?   who knows
[10:29] <PhinnFort> seveas just probably restarted it
[10:29] <dregorth> what might you be speaking of intelikey?
[10:30] <intelikey> if so and my guess is correct it will soon be lagging again
[10:30] <intelikey> dregorth ubotu
[10:30] <dregorth> ahh
[10:30] <dregorth> this is first time here so just sitting back and reading things to get the feel for this place
[10:30] <dregorth> :)
[10:31] <PhinnFort> hmm, i can't seem to access the ubotu database with pysqlite
[10:31] <intelikey> it looked to me like either a serious malfunction (in which case it shouldn't be here right now) or a brute force attack
[10:31] <hydan> i don't need postfix do i?
[10:31] <hydan> i selected no configuration.
[10:32] <intelikey> hydan prolly not.
[10:32] <hydan> good, i want to do delete it then.
[10:32] <intelikey> but something may depend on it.
[10:32] <hydan> *but likes so many.
[10:32] <intelikey> better read the list of things it will take with it.
[10:32] <hydan> will do.
[10:33] <epimeth> heh... "I'm leaving!  And I'm taking libc6 with me!"
[10:33] <_4strO> yop yop
[10:33] <epimeth> ahoy _4strO
[10:33] <epimeth> !
[10:33] <intelikey> well not that bad...  Package postfix is not installed, so not removed
[10:34] <intelikey> but i think something in kde does depend on it
[10:34] <LordDeLaCepa> hiii
[10:34] <epimeth> hii yourself!
[10:34] <intelikey> KevinAlaska what's the word
[10:35] <epimeth> ain't you heard? the birds the word!
[10:35] <LordDeLaCepa> Hi
[10:35] <KevinAlaska> intelikey "they" say (who the hell ever 'THEY' are!) no word is good word.. but in this case.. I don't think that holds true
[10:35] <LordDeLaCepa> I need help
[10:35] <KevinAlaska> no sign of the elusive USB drive....
[10:36] <epimeth> !ask | LordDeLaCepa
[10:36] <ubotu> LordDeLaCepa: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:36] <intelikey> KevinAlaska ouch
[10:36] <intelikey> KevinAlaska pastebin your persent fstab for me.
[10:36] <LordDeLaCepa> I need the nodes, gwebcaches and hostiles.txt lists for giFT, for any net... someone could help me? please...
[10:36] <KevinAlaska> heh... :)  fast question on mounting it via IDE... anything special to that?
[10:36] <KevinAlaska> sure.. one ec
[10:36] <KevinAlaska> sec
[10:36] <boeroe> hi i have a qtek s200 pda . iwant to synchronise my date with my laptop. anyone knows a progarma like activesync from microsoft that can work unde3r kubyntu?
[10:37] <intelikey> KevinAlaska no nothing special to that.   shouldn't be to this either....
[10:37] <intelikey> boeroe ntpdat
[10:37] <intelikey> boeroe ntpdate
[10:38] <KevinAlaska> there is also one other fstab file in there... called /etc/fstab.uuid
[10:38] <boeroe> thx will check it out
[10:38] <intelikey> KevinAlaska they can't be long   pastebin them all.
[10:38] <intelikey> boeroe you can sync them both with the network.   pool.ntp.org
[10:39] <intelikey> ntp.org has info about that
[10:39] <intelikey> man ntpdate
[10:40] <boeroe> i pute my question wrong, i mean data not DATE, date like adresses pictures etc which are on my pda i want to sync with my laptop
[10:40] <KevinAlaska> wait.. correctin.. /etc/stab.pre-uuid
[10:40] <raul> hello please
[10:40] <raul> do u know way for works projector in kubuntu?
[10:41] <raul> videoprojector
[10:41] <raul> not works for me
[10:41] <KevinAlaska> sorry.. was afk with son waking up.
[10:41] <hydan> brb
[10:41] <raul> i don want use win for presentation :(
[10:41] <intelikey> boeroe :)
[10:41] <intelikey> !pda
[10:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pda - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:42] <intelikey> !sync
[10:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sync - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:42] <KevinAlaska> for pastebin.com .. just paste in field and give name right?
[10:42] <KevinAlaska> er.. or wrong
[10:42] <intelikey> yes
[10:43] <intelikey> and give us the URL
[10:43] <KevinAlaska> I get a --> Query failure: Can't open file: 'recent.MYI'. (errno: 145)
[10:43] <KevinAlaska> lock tables recent write
[10:43] <KevinAlaska> figures.. heh
[10:43] <KevinAlaska> let me try another browser.. firefox instead
[10:44] <boeroe> oke thx ubotu
[10:44] <intelikey> NightVVulf you and KevinAlaska are in the same boat.   is this a conspiracy ?
[10:45] <KevinAlaska> same error different font. figures :(
[10:45] <NightVVulf> must be
[10:45] <KevinAlaska> are you tracking our location now? O.O
[10:46] <Kimppa> Hello. Does anyone know a good software for kubuntu for merging pdfs?
[10:46] <flake> Kimppa - openoffice ?
[10:47] <intelikey> pdf   yuch.
[10:47] <PhinnFort> !mergepdf
[10:47] <PhinnFort> darn that bot!
[10:47] <flake> why do people put ! in front of words, is it like an info thing?
[10:47] <KevinAlaska> what the hell.. works in ubuntu.pastebin.com but not jsut pastebin.com?
[10:47] <KevinAlaska> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/36839
[10:47] <PhinnFort> flake: it should query the bot
[10:47] <flake> !gotthatthingIsentyou?
[10:48] <PhinnFort> flake: the bot parses anything that begins with an !, and should react
[10:48] <intelikey> flake  the bot ubotu recognizes !word as a quarry yes
[10:48] <PhinnFort> but something has happened
[10:48] <PhinnFort> and now I try to make a temporary replacement, but I can't read that darn database
[10:48] <KevinAlaska> to get themselves first in line in the list.. :)
[10:48] <PhinnFort> "pysqlite2.dbapi2.DatabaseError: file is encrypted or is not a database"
[10:49] <flake> cool - wonder if someone thought up an irc channel that parses it like a text adventure -  a mmorpg text adventure game
[10:49] <flake> lol
[10:49] <PhinnFort> flake: probably;)
[10:49] <KevinAlaska> heh
[10:49] <intelikey> KevinAlaska that's the now present fstab ?
[10:49] <Kimppa> flake: oh, is there really a pdf merge tool in OO?
[10:49] <flake> don't know, i cut and paste
[10:49] <KevinAlaska> correct Intelikey
[10:50] <intelikey> KevinAlaska the problem is not there.
[10:50] <Kimppa> flake: who said I'm trying to merge pdf files containg text? :)
[10:50] <flake> never tried it
[10:50] <Kimppa> *containing
[10:50] <intelikey> KevinAlaska you need to file a bug report on that.
[10:50] <epimeth> "you find yourself on an island by a place wreck, people are milling about confused"
[10:50] <PhinnFort> Kimppa: sqlite
[10:50] <epimeth> "there is a large turbine spinning off to one side"
[10:51] <PhinnFort> Kimppa: http://ktmatu.com/info/merge-pdf-files/
[10:51] <flake> !jump into turbine
[10:51] <PhinnFort> i mean
[10:51] <epimeth> "you see your third grade teacher, she hands you a shoe"
[10:51] <intelikey> NightVVulf you should confirm KevinAlaska's bug report and/or add your info to it.
[10:51] <epimeth> "you can't, as both the shoe and your teacher have dissapeared"
[10:53] <intelikey> NightVVulf and KevinAlaska in the mean while you can both try to manually mount the drives.      the command syntax is;  sudo mount /dev/something /media/something       where the 'something' can be sdb  or sdb1   or the like.   sudo fdisk -l    should help you find the 'something'
[10:54] <intelikey> all commands specified are for konsole
[10:54] <NightVVulf> yups. I can do that fine. I was just getting tired of doing that every time
[10:54] <KevinAlaska> I am nto sure if this helps any.. but I had this USB drive at my kids school when I was putting there yearbook together.. I had a strange problem on a pair of MacOS 10 computers. computer A all of a sudden cut off the connection I had with the USB drive and they could not be brought up back on the computer (no matter how hard I and a Mac person tried)... but after visiting computer b... it worked again when I went over to computer A
[10:55] <intelikey> NightVVulf may i sujest for your convienance a script that does the command and a launcher on the desktop
[10:55] <KevinAlaska> also now that I have had this problem with this drive.. to get it to work on WinXP.. I have to turn on winxp.. then restart and then unmount it.. at that point it will work again at this comptuer
[10:55] <epimeth> KevinAlaska: who knows?  give it a shot... plug it into a different kubuntu box and plug it back into yours....
[10:56] <NightVVulf> KevinAlaska: what kind of drive is it?
[10:56] <KevinAlaska> maxtor 160
[10:56] <intelikey> NightVVulf what command do you type to mount it ?
[10:56] <KevinAlaska> ide.. exact model I can get
[10:56] <NightVVulf> heh... I am using a Mastor as well...
[10:56] <NightVVulf> maxtor*
[10:57] <NightVVulf> I was using the standard mount >drive name< to >/home/location name<
[10:58] <intelikey> NightVVulf yes if you give me the exact command i'll write the script for you
[10:58] <NightVVulf> ok
[10:58] <NightVVulf> hold on... let me find the locations again
[10:58] <KevinAlaska> I should try that exactly like that.. into the other I set up for my kids use... but for being late.. I am thinking I did try that... er.. maybe I dont.. hell time to find out.. brb on useing the usb hdd on the other puter
[10:59] <intelikey> KevinAlaska are you watching this too ?
[10:59] <KevinAlaska> er... ahh.. that "this" part in your question troubles my understanding of yoru words... :(
[10:59] <NightVVulf> does it matter where I mount it?
[10:59] <intelikey> KevinAlaska :)
[11:00] <NightVVulf> I was trying to have it availible with the KDE GUI
[11:00] <intelikey> KevinAlaska i'm about to give NightVVulf a command to make him a script to manually mount his'n
[11:00] <KevinAlaska> ahhh.. spifty
[11:00] <flake> Kimba - 14 day free trial http://www.tucows.com/preview/406709
[11:00] <intelikey> NightVVulf location of the mountpoint doesn't matter to me.
[11:01] <flake> course have to try it in wine
[11:01] <flake> nite
[11:01] <NightVVulf> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/
[11:02] <heath__> how do you get back to the setup which allows you to specify that you want kde to use little system resources as possible on desktop effects
[11:02] <intelikey> ok the netxt thing i post will be the full command.  copy and paste it in a konsole.
[11:02] <heath__> it has a bar and at the highest end it says that it is recommended for systems with lotos resources
[11:02] <PhinnFort> heath__: run "kpersonalizer"
[11:03] <heath__> thanks PhinnFort
[11:03] <PhinnFort> heath__: you might have to install it
[11:03] <PhinnFort> yw
[11:03] <heath__> PhinnFort: it's working :)
[11:03] <PhinnFort> :D
[11:03] <KevinAlaska> NightVvulf, was that ment for me to type in? Sorry getting late here...
[11:04] <NightVVulf> that was the mounting command... intelikey was putting together the script
[11:04] <intelikey> echo -e '#!/bin/sh \n\ngksu mount /dev/sda1 /media/ ' > ~/mounter.sh ;chmod 755 ~/monter.sh
[11:04] <heath__> perfect
[11:04] <heath__> thank you again :)
[11:04] <PhinnFort> ;)
[11:04] <NightVVulf> so... for my learning poposes ... what does this command do?
[11:05] <PhinnFort> NightVVulf: it puts the command and some other stuff into a file
[11:05] <PhinnFort> echo just outputs text somewhere
[11:05] <intelikey> NightVVulf when you run that.   then in konqueror file manager navagate to your home and right click on mounter.sh   drag it to the desktop  and link there
[11:05] <NightVVulf> does it matter if the drive is mounted or un-mounted at the moment?
[11:05] <PhinnFort> the > means it pipes it into the file
[11:06] <KevinAlaska> I am guessing it mounts the physical device of the sda1 to the usable errrr.. file system location at which it is part of the working computer?  my best guess
[11:06] <PhinnFort> intelikey: shouldn't it be "kdesu"
[11:06] <PhinnFort> ?
[11:06] <intelikey> oh
[11:06] <intelikey> yes
[11:07] <intelikey> this is kde
[11:07] <PhinnFort> :P
[11:07] <KevinAlaska> heh... palm to forhead moment? :)
[11:07] <intelikey> echo -e '#!/bin/sh \n\nkdesu mount /dev/sda1 /media/ ' > ~/mounter.sh ;chmod 755 ~/monter.sh
[11:07] <intelikey> look better ?
[11:07] <KevinAlaska> did you just type some form of hyroglyphics?  (spelling??)
[11:08] <PhinnFort> yup
[11:08] <NightVVulf> mmm...  [ chmod: cannot access `/home/nightvvulf/monter.sh': No such file or directory ] 
[11:08] <intelikey> you can tell i don't actually use kde...
[11:08] <NightVVulf> should I just create the location?
[11:08] <PhinnFort> ;)
[11:08] <RawSewage> http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSN2429802920070524?feedType=RSS
[11:08] <intelikey> echo -e '#!/bin/sh \n\nkdesu mount /dev/sda1 /media/ ' > ~/mounter.sh ;chmod 755 ~/mounter.sh
[11:08] <KevinAlaska> what do you use?
[11:08] <intelikey> you left out the u   *
[11:09] <intelikey> KevinAlaska linus
[11:09] <PhinnFort> NightVVulf: just open Kate, type in "#!/bin/bash" on the first line and "kdesu mount /dev/sda1 /media/" on the second line
[11:09] <intelikey> linux
[11:09] <intelikey> and typos
[11:09] <KevinAlaska> heh.. dell now. :)
[11:09] <intelikey> i get flustered.   when i hurry
[11:09] <PhinnFort> NightVVulf: then save it as monter.sh or something, go to the dir in konqueror, and right-click and set executable
[11:10] <NightVVulf> ah...... *smiles sheepishly* still learning
[11:10] <intelikey> PhinnFort you did it.  you pointed out a gnome/kde aside and i typoed after correcting...
[11:11] <intelikey> :)
[11:11] <PhinnFort> everone blames me;)
[11:11] <KevinAlaska> oh the shame.. heh
[11:11] <KevinAlaska> if only I could be so shameful
[11:12] <PhinnFort> if someone sees seveas sometime soon, tell him his code repository is a mess;)
[11:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mergepdf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:12] <PhinnFort> yeah, thanks
[11:13] <dhq> how do i create a virtual lan
[11:13] <PhinnFort> !virtuallan
[11:13] <intelikey> NightVVulf http://intelikey.pastebin.us/36840
[11:13] <dhq> PhinnFort, ???
[11:13] <intelikey> you might want PhinnFort to proff read it first
[11:13] <KevinAlaska> well I hate doing it but I am all out of finger typing power.  Time for me to pull the computer over before I hurt some kubuntu OS that might be infront of me.
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about virtuallan - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:14] <PhinnFort> green light from me;)
[11:14] <intelikey> KevinAlaska well said.
[11:14] <dhq> PhinnFort, help me out
[11:14] <KevinAlaska> hay.. dont agree with me on such a statement of sell ill will.
[11:15] <defcon> is guarddog better than firestarter?
[11:15] <KevinAlaska> er.. self ill will
[11:15] <defcon> can I activly view logs?
[11:15] <KevinAlaska> see what I mean... logging.. cheers
[11:15] <defcon> and will it autostart on logon?
[11:15] <intelikey> KevinAlaska only safe pinguin is one that isn't in contact with me....
[11:15] <dhq> !virtualnetwork
[11:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about virtualnetwork - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:16] <KevinAlaska> well in a virtual way you are in contact with each and everyone person logged in this room .. even those who are ''away''.
[11:16] <intelikey> !guarddog
[11:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[11:16] <intelikey> firestarter is the gnome version of that  as far as i know
[11:16] <KevinAlaska> bye
[11:17] <defcon> Setting up guarddog (2.5.0-1ubuntu1) ...
[11:17] <defcon> Unable to start guarddog firewall - /etc/rc.firewall does not exist
[11:18] <intelikey> why does his nick still autocomplete ?
[11:18] <PhinnFort> doesn't here
[11:18] <intelikey> defcon you'll have to configure it
[11:19] <intelikey> oh.  he left the channel but not the network   hehhe    now he's gone.
[11:19] <intelikey> i've dont that too...
[11:20] <NightVVulf> so... the script works great. Thanks. but I guess I still have a problem. I can't access the mounted drive through the GUI. it needs root privileges. should I just make a root user... or is there a way to make Konqueror promt for a password everytime ?
[11:21] <intelikey> NightVVulf hehhe  wait i'll give you a replacement.  that was your command.  try mine.   oh and do you have ntfs3g installed ?
[11:21] <intelikey> !ntfs
[11:21] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[11:21] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g
[11:21] <NightVVulf> not sure... checking
[11:21] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[11:21] <intelikey> make it ntfs-3g
[11:22] <NightVVulf> I do now
[11:23] <NightVVulf> yeah sorry about that... I just realized that I am using the standard user setup without root and all... so I can't directly access that location without a superuser status
[11:23] <intelikey> here   http://intelikey.pastebin.us/36841    open the script   and open this page and copy and paste the new script into your and save it.    http://intelikey.pastebin.us/36841
[11:23] <heath__> is there a way to configure two desktops simultaneously? or, is there a way to install plugins for all users' browsers through root?
[11:23] <intelikey> yours
[11:23] <sheldon> hi, I'm new to ubuntu, downloaded and installed the fiesty fawn dvd, I can't seem to get adept to use the repositories on the dvd instead of downloading packages, even though I've added the dvd repository, can anyone help?
[11:24] <intelikey> NightVVulf with that one you can
[11:25] <NightVVulf> so basically you want to replace the entire script with your new one?
[11:25] <intelikey> sheldon i could be wrong,  but i don't think you can unless you comment out the net repos.
[11:25] <intelikey> NightVVulf yep
[11:26] <intelikey> NightVVulf the new one will both mount and unmount it plus has a setting so you can access it as user without root permission
[11:26] <sheldon> that seems odd, why download the big dvd if I can't install packages off it easily :(
[11:27] <sheldon> thanks for the advice though, I'll give it a try quick
[11:27] <intelikey> sheldon.  np.
[11:27] <Jucato> sheldon: I think you need to disable the online repositories first
[11:27] <NightVVulf> mmm... now there is no right click option to make it a exe
[11:27] <Jucato> NightVVulf: in Konqueror?
[11:27] <intelikey> NightVVulf doesn't need to be.  you didn't change that did you ?
[11:28] <sheldon> well, I tried putting the dvd repo above all the others, in the hope that if the version online wasn't an upgrade it would use the dvd, and use the net repo's for upgrades from the dvd... but no luck :(
[11:28] <NightVVulf> its saved as an .sh file now
[11:28] <NightVVulf> is that what it needed to be?
[11:28] <Jucato> sheldon: then just disabled the "main" repositories, those that don't have -updates or -security
[11:28] <intelikey> you edited the one on the desktop not the one in your home ?
[11:29] <NightVVulf> I used kate to make a new one
[11:29] <intelikey> oh new one.   where ?
[11:30] <intelikey> desktop ?
[11:30] <NightVVulf> just in the home folder
[11:30] <dhq> !vlan
[11:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vlan - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:30] <intelikey> same name ?
[11:30] <NightVVulf> yeah.
[11:30] <sheldon> Jucato: e.g. I tried to install firefox, where the online version is exactly the same as the one on the dvd, and it started downloading the .deb file from the online repo... the exact one that's on the dvd :( but I'll just disable all the online repos. thanks guys.
[11:30] <intelikey> you deleted the old one ?
[11:31] <intelikey> help me see what you did !
[11:31] <intelikey> then i can answer what you need to do.
[11:31] <NightVVulf> mmm... you want to recap those instructions for me one more time? I must have missed something... as simple as what you have showed me is... I'm tired and might have messed up somewhere
[11:32] <NightVVulf> I copied the script into the text editor... then saved it as a .sh file in my users home directory
[11:32] <intelikey> open the script in your home.   open this webpage "blah" copy the script from the webpage to the editor and save it.
[11:32] <intelikey> well clear the file first cause it was a full rewrite
[11:32] <NightVVulf> and I want to save it as what? just double checking
[11:33] <intelikey> same file
[11:33] <intelikey> mounter.sh
[11:33] <intelikey> or what ever the name was
[11:33] <NightVVulf> ok
[11:34] <intelikey> that way the perms are still right.  the link on the desktop is still right.  and you are good to go
[11:34] <reldruh> is there a way to tell the computer to shut itself off via dcop?
[11:34] <reldruh> or to hibernate?
[11:34] <intelikey> can dcop send a command ?
[11:34] <Maruko> hi peopl
[11:34] <Maruko> just a question
[11:35] <reldruh> that would work. If it could send a command I could turn it off that way
[11:35] <intelikey> tell it to    init 0
[11:35] <Maruko> I don't have a NVIDIA or ATI card...but a S3 video card...can I install Beryl/Compiz anyway?
[11:35] <reldruh> intelikey: come again?
[11:36] <intelikey> reldruh the command   init 0     switches the boxen to runlevel 0 (power off mode)
[11:37] <reldruh> intelikey: and how do I make dcop execute that command?
[11:37] <intelikey> reldruh idk    i asked can you get it to send a command ?
[11:38] <intelikey> what about an arg to kdesu ?
[11:38] <reldruh> oh, I thought you were asking if getting it send a command would solve my problem
[11:38] <intelikey> or konsole ?
[11:39] <intelikey> reldruh it will.  if you can use dcop to send a command you can send  init 0  and the box will halt
[11:39] <reldruh> right, but I don't know how to make it execute a command
[11:40] <intelikey> nope
[11:40] <reldruh> you can't run kdcop?
[11:40] <reldruh> I thought it was an integral part of kde
[11:40] <intelikey> so of course no docs on it either
[11:40] <intelikey> reldruh it probably is
[11:41] <reldruh> mmm
[11:41] <reldruh> I see
[11:41] <intelikey> -root: kdcop: command not found
[11:41] <intelikey> -root: dcop: command not found
[11:42] <intelikey> you have dcop you read the docs
[11:42] <intelikey> :)
[11:42] <reldruh> haha, I'm going through them now but all of my searches have turned up naught
[11:43] <NightVVulf> intelikey: well apparently I am being an idiot at the moment. I can't seem to make the script work... I will continue trying at a later date. but you think you might be able to tell me what the command in Konsole would be just by itself. I think I can manage with manually doing it for now.
[11:43] <intelikey> NightVVulf chmod 755 ~/mo*
[11:44] <intelikey> then try
[11:44] <intelikey> reldruh  dcop kdesu init 0
[11:44] <intelikey> see if that works ^
[11:45] <intelikey> and when you get back i'll be gone.
[11:45] <intelikey> :)
[11:45] <reldruh> intelikey: kdesu isn't one of my options
[11:45] <intelikey> konsole
[11:46] <NightVVulf> thanks for the help by the way.
[11:46] <intelikey> reldruh wait !   that just reeks of fish.   why do you want to halt someone elses computer ?
[11:46] <reldruh> intelikey: not somebody else's, mine
[11:46] <intelikey> reldruh then why not kdesu ?
[11:46] <intelikey> NightVVulf np.
[11:46] <reldruh> there's a gui utility to set up what commands each button executes
[11:47] <reldruh> and kdesu isn't one of the dcop options
[11:47] <reldruh> it's IRKick
[11:48] <intelikey> i don't think i followed that......
[11:48] <intelikey> reldruh are you trying to setup a hotkey for power off ?
[11:48] <reldruh> no, a button on a remote
[11:48] <reldruh> the utility I'm using to set up which button does what is IRKick
[11:48] <intelikey> ok.
[11:49] <reldruh> and when I tell IRKick that I want a particular button to execute something over DCOP, it gives me a list of applications, and then a list of objects and finally a list of functions
[11:49] <reldruh> kdesu isn't one of the applications I can choose
[11:49] <intelikey> now it makes more sense.    pastebin the list
[11:53] <reldruh> intelikey: http://pastebin.ca/507019
[11:53] <reldruh> perhaps it's ksmserver?
[11:54] <reldruh> there's a logout command there, I'm looking up what the parameters do now
[11:54] <Maruko> nobody loves me here?
[11:55] <intelikey> reldruh yes ksmserver should work.
[11:55] <intelikey> reldruh kdesktop probably will too  not sure
[11:56] <intelikey> 18. klauncer  ??? is that a typo ?
[11:56] <reldruh> klauncher, I think it's supposed to be
[11:56] <reldruh> yes, a typo on my part
[11:57] <intelikey> klauncher surely will
[11:57] <reldruh> wow, I had no idea alll that functionality was in klauncher
[11:58] <intelikey> hehhe  it's about like   /bin/sh  for the gui
[11:58] <reldruh> crazy
[11:59] <intelikey> all it does is "launch" things
[11:59] <reldruh> I just wish I could find better documentation on all this
[11:59] <se7en> what do i have to do if i would like to format a fat32 inro ext3 the device is /dev/sda8
[11:59] <reldruh> the kdcop browser isn't so great at explaining things
[11:59] <intelikey> se7en sudo mke2fs -cj /dev/sda8
[12:00] <intelikey> but you should change the partition type first
[12:00] <intelikey> sudo cfdisk /dev/sda
[12:00] <se7en> thanks intelikey
[12:01] <intelikey> and only change the partition type on that partition   then write changes to disk and quit   then run the mkfs command
[12:01] <n0n4m3-> dudes
[12:01] <n0n4m3-> can someone help me ?
[12:01] <n0n4m3-> http://shrani.si/files/posnetek17111av.png
[12:01] <n0n4m3-> in this screen you see
[12:01] <n0n4m3-> the xchat
[12:01] <n0n4m3-> image
[12:01] <intelikey> i assumed you wanted to let it check the drive for errors.   if not drop the c
[12:01] <n0n4m3-> why is it on a
[12:01] <n0n4m3-> gray
[12:02] <n0n4m3-> background ?
[12:02] <intelikey> n0n4m3- you can change the colours of the app.  look in the menu bar
[12:02] <n0n4m3-> how i change it ?
[12:02] <intelikey> in it's menu
[12:03] <n0n4m3-> i don't understand you
[12:03] <intelikey> something like     edit > preferances > color
[12:03] <intelikey> i don't even use a GUI.
[12:03] <n0n4m3-> ok
[12:04] <n0n4m3-> but how do i change then
[12:04] <n0n4m3-> the
[12:04] <n0n4m3-> that the names you see
[12:04] <n0n4m3-> that it will be in white
[12:04] <n0n4m3-> not in black
[12:04] <intelikey> it's all there in the settings
[12:04] <n0n4m3-> i can't find it
[12:04] <n0n4m3-> i try it
[12:04] <intelikey> it's there
[12:04] <n0n4m3-> yesterday
[12:04] <intelikey> yes i did try it yesterday,  it's there
[12:05] <intelikey> ok i'm left
[12:05] <intelikey> i'm went
[12:05] <Friend> Hello.
[12:05] <Friend> Anyone here?
[12:06] <Friend> logout
[12:08] <n0n4m3-> someone here ?:/
[12:11] <unam> hello la room
[12:17] <h3ath> will someone please help me.
[12:17] <n0n4m3-> will somneone
[12:17] <n0n4m3-> please help me ?:D
[12:18] <n0n4m3-> someone*:)
[12:18] <h3ath> i'm assuming you need some help to? :P
[12:19] <adaptr> sorry, non help here 4 you
[12:19] <adaptr> smart nick...
[12:19] <adaptr> !ask
[12:19] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:19] <n0n4m3-> h3ath,  yes:P
[12:19] <n0n4m3-> ubotu,
[12:19] <n0n4m3-> i asked
[12:19] <n0n4m3-> already
[12:19] <n0n4m3-> http://shrani.si/files/posnetek17111av.png
[12:19] <n0n4m3-> you see
[12:19] <n0n4m3-> the xchat
[12:19] <n0n4m3-> in the right corner
[12:20] <h3ath>  /sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list crashes and this is the output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22281/
[12:20] <n0n4m3-> it has a gray background how can i change it ?
[12:20] <n0n4m3-> to black
[12:20] <meuhlol> hi all, i need your help to install Epson Stylus CX3200 multifunction printer to my kubuntu feisty fawn
[12:20] <meuhlol> please help
[12:20] <meuhlol> it's urgent
[12:20] <h3ath> i'm trying to configure this system for the family, but it's near impossible w/out the extra repositories.
[12:21] <n0n4m3-> :)
[12:22] <meuhlol> h3ath: it's normal xD
[12:22] <meuhlol> for bad device it's for wacom tablets
[12:23] <Jucato> h3ath: use "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[12:23] <n0n4m3-> can anyone help
[12:23] <n0n4m3-> me with my problem ?
[12:23] <secret> Is the guy here who was helping me before with installing Kubuntu themes?
[12:24] <meuhlol> h3ath: better: go to /etc/apt right click on sources.list and in Action sub menu do: edit in root mode
[12:24] <secret> cant remember his name, dang
[12:24] <secret> anyways, i need help with connecting to the network
[12:24] <secret> ti have an ibm thinkpad laptop with wifi?
[12:25] <secret> anyone with links to readable material?
[12:26] <secret> hello?
[12:27] <secret> no one here?
[12:27] <meuhlol> hi
[12:27] <secret> hi
[12:27] <meuhlol> whats prob?
[12:27] <secret> need help connecting to my network
[12:27] <meuhlol> what you use as wifi manager?
[12:28] <secret> ti have an ibm thinkpad with wifi
[12:28] <secret> Iknetwork manager?
[12:28] <secret> I dont know, new to kubuntu
[12:29] <meuhlol> wait
[12:29] <secret> ok then
[12:29] <meuhlol> secret you using wpa or wep?
[12:29] <secret> how do know this friend?
[12:30] <secret> i have no idea
[12:30] <secret> wep
[12:30] <secret> security?
[12:30] <meuhlol> http://kwifimanager.sourceforge.net/
[12:30] <meuhlol> try this
[12:30] <secret> ok then, thanks
[12:31] <secret> also do i need drivers for my client wifi
[12:31] <secret> cisco aironet
[12:31] <secret> ill read thanks
[12:32] <meuhlol> secret for drivers & others: http://www.google.fr/linux?hl=fr&q=cisco+aironet&btnG=Rechercher&meta=
[12:32] <secret> ok great, thanks for the help meuglol
[12:32] <meuhlol> google linux :p
[12:32] <secret> i did, but too confusing man my bad
[12:33] <meuhlol> huh
[12:33] <secret> but i really like linux now
[12:33] <meuhlol> here
[12:33] <meuhlol> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/wireless/wlan_adapter/350_cb20a/user/linux/configuration/guide/instlcfg.html
[12:33] <secret> ok thanks for all of your help, much appreciated
[12:33] <secret> :)
[12:33] <secret> ;S
[12:33] <secret> ;D
[12:34] <meuhlol> i didnt help you i just googled xD
[12:34] <meuhlol> for wifi i prefer to use kWifiManager
[12:34] <MrC_> hi there,wifi radar also is very good
[12:35] <MrC_> you can get it from Synaptic
[12:35] <secret> woah man, im going back to windows...
[12:35] <meuhlol> MrC_: yes :)
[12:35] <meuhlol> lol
[12:35] <meuhlol> you scare him :p
[12:36] <MrC_> Does anyone knows how to change the windows style or just install window styles?
[12:39] <Jucato> MrC_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[12:41] <meuhlol> MrC_: lol System Config > Appariance
[12:41] <Jucato> (actually System Settings)
[12:45] <n0n4m3-> can
[12:45] <n0n4m3-> someone please help me ?
[12:45] <heath_> now i'm at a loss for what to do, i've uninstalled kubuntu-desktop, and reinstalled.
[12:46] <heath_> still kate crashes when it's ran.
[12:46] <meuhlol> please help me to install epson stylus cx3200 :/ i need only scanner
[12:46] <meuhlol> from this mfp
[12:46] <meuhlol> heath_: reinstall kate xD
[12:47] <n0n4m3-> please READ me now
[12:47] <n0n4m3-> http://shrani.si/files/posnetek17111av.png
[12:47] <n0n4m3-> you see in the tray
[12:47] <n0n4m3-> the xchat icon
[12:47] <n0n4m3-> on a gray background? how can i change this
[12:47] <n0n4m3-> ?
[12:48] <meuhlol> system config and apparance
[12:48] <n0n4m3-> i try it
[12:48] <n0n4m3-> but what then ?
[12:48] <meuhlol> or right click on bottom taskbar
[12:48] <meuhlol> and do Config
[12:48] <n0n4m3-> did it..
[12:48] <meuhlol> or Settings something like that
[12:49] <meuhlol> after go to apparance
[12:49] <meuhlol> to choose look
[12:49] <n0n4m3-> i don't know what to do
[12:49] <n0n4m3-> damn
[12:49] <n0n4m3-> i tryed
[12:49] <n0n4m3-> everything
[12:49] <n0n4m3-> !
[12:49] <meuhlol> jucato sorry, im in french xD
[12:50] <eeos>  Is there a way to scan / refresh the parallel ports manually from the command line in kubuntu?
[12:50] <Jucato> n0n4m3-: if I'm not mistaken, I don't think there's a fix for that. not really sure though. maybe because XChat isn't a KDE or Qt app, so it doesn't blend in well. not really sure though
[12:50] <n0n4m3-> ok
[12:50] <n0n4m3-> but i know
[12:50] <n0n4m3-> some time
[12:50] <n0n4m3-> it was white
[12:50] <n0n4m3-> but then suddenly
[12:50] <n0n4m3-> gray
[12:50] <n0n4m3-> but when i installed it
[12:50] <eeos> I have a problem with a parallel printer. If we switch the printer off and then on, Mandriva does not realise that the printer has changed status. it simply says the parallel port is busy.
[12:50] <n0n4m3-> it was normall
[12:50] <n0n4m3-> weird..
[12:50] <Jucato> n0n4m3-: please stop using your Enter key as a punctuation mark...
[12:50] <n0n4m3-> but do you know how to change
[12:50] <n0n4m3-> ok sorry sorry:D
[12:51] <ejkoo[izlezi] > can anybody help me a liitle bit about KUBUNTU?
[12:51] <Jucato> (I presume you can tpoe in complete sentences on one line anyway)
[12:51] <n0n4m3-> well do you know how to change then in the taskbar you see the firefox as an example it's written in dark
[12:51] <n0n4m3-> do you know how to change it in white ?
[12:53] <Jucato> n0n4m3-: are you on KDE 3.5.6?
[12:53] <n0n4m3-> yes
[12:53] <Jucato> n0n4m3-: because if you are on 3.5.7, I think there's an option now to change the color of the text in the taskbar
[12:53] <Jucato> but I can't say for sure, because I'm still on 3.5.6 :)
[12:53] <n0n4m3-> I'm on
[12:53] <n0n4m3-> 3.5.7
[12:53] <n0n4m3-> well
[12:53] <n0n4m3-> eh  it's not that but
[12:53] <n0n4m3-> bad*
[12:54] <n0n4m3-> only the xchat thingy is... so out because of the gray background:D
[12:57] <meuhlol> try KVIrc ;)
[01:12] <ura> someone can help me with my wireles card?
[01:12] <ura> i have configured my wireless with ndiswrapper
[01:12] <ura> and i have noticed that the eth1 is up
[01:14] <ura> but i cannot assign an ip..
[01:14] <ura> why?
[01:17] <eeos> how do you try to assig it
[01:19] <eeos> ura:
[01:24] <sayers> How do I burn a bin/cue with K3B on to a DVD
[01:24] <meuhlol> huh
[01:24] <meuhlol> hello :)
[01:25] <meuhlol> sayers: launch k3b, click on "other functions" (dont know how is in english i'm on french)
[01:25] <meuhlol> after choose "CD Image"
[01:26] <sayers> meuhlol: okay but that is a CD image. I need it to burn on a dvd
[01:28] <meuhlol> choose your dvd recorder
[01:29] <meuhlol> choose "Burn DVD Iso" something like that
[01:38] <aleks_> youhou !!
[01:39] <aleks_> coucou !
[01:39] <aleks_> ya du monde didons !
[01:39] <aleks_> mais personne qui parle
[01:39] <aleks_> trop pur ! ;)
[01:39] <BluesKaj> personne parle francais
[01:40] <BluesKaj> !fr
[01:40] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[02:02] <ccoffey> I have a question. In kubuntu (7.04 anyway) what is handling the XF86 keyboard shortcuts? currently XF86AudioMedia is foregrounding amarok. I would instead like to call the "dcop amarok player showOSD". Where are these shortcuts managed?
[02:10] <eeos>  Is there a way to rescan / refresh the parallel ports manually from the command line in kubuntu or using a kde tool?
[02:14] <coolzgeek> Can anyone help me get X to start on boot?
[02:15] <coolzgeek> Hey
[02:15] <coolzgeek> HELLO???
[02:15] <coolzgeek> Is anyone there?
[02:30] <martijn> hello
[02:30] <Moniker42> hi, how do i change keyboard type (US/UK) in feisty kubuntu?
[02:30] <martijn> anyone here knows why kdevelop 3.4.1 is not part of the kde357 update?
[02:30] <Jucato> Moniker42: System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout
[02:31] <Jucato> martijn: probably because it hasn't been packaged for feisty yet... still pending I believe
[02:31] <Moniker42> Jucato: 'system' and 'settings' are to seperate menus
[02:31] <Jucato> Moniker42: no, the one directly in the K Menu
[02:31] <Moniker42> *two
[02:31] <Jucato> (presuming you have a default Kubuntu)
[02:32] <Moniker42> K menu?
[02:32] <BluesKaj> Moniker42, are you using gnome ?
[02:32] <martijn> @jucatol; ok, then i'll wait a few days
[02:32] <Jucato> I meant the "System Settings" app
[02:32] <Moniker42> ah
[02:32] <Jucato> K Menu - KDE Main menu
[02:32] <martijn> start menu :)
[02:32] <Jucato> the blue square witha white K and a gear logo
[02:33] <Moniker42> yes, yes i'm not that clueless ;)
[02:33] <Moniker42> but it is my first time using kde...
[02:33] <Jucato> just trying to be more specific :)
[02:33] <Moniker42> ah
[02:33] <Moniker42> i never noticed that
[02:33] <Moniker42> i was trawling through everything else...
[02:34] <Moniker42> @"
[02:34] <Moniker42> woot, UK ;)
[02:35] <Moniker42> Jucato: can i add a minimise-everything-to-desktop button?
[02:37] <icecruncher> Moniker42: there should be a little button at the bottom
[02:38] <Moniker42> icecruncher: KDE not gnome
[02:38] <Moniker42> unless i'm mistaken...
[02:38] <Moniker42> and it's so little i can't see it...
[02:38] <SlimeyPete> there is one on my screen.
[02:38] <icecruncher> blue square with a pencil and paper
[02:38] <SlimeyPete> it's big, thrid from left
[02:38] <icecruncher> yup
[02:38] <SlimeyPete> it's a blue square with a pen & paper on it
[02:39] <Moniker42> hmmm
[02:39] <Moniker42> well it's not on mine
[02:39] <Moniker42> SlimeyPete: icecruncher: any idea how to add it then?
[02:40] <SlimeyPete> if you right-click the bar, you can probably add it from the configuration menus, I imagine
[02:40] <icecruncher> yes
[02:40] <icecruncher> add applet and its called
[02:40] <icecruncher> show desktop
[02:40] <Moniker42> ah
[02:40] <Moniker42> thanks
[02:41] <icecruncher> np
[02:41] <Moniker42> very customisable...
[02:41] <icecruncher> lol
[02:41] <icecruncher> same here
[02:42] <icecruncher> and now can anybody ell me how to bake the konsole part of the desktop, so it's in the background
[02:43] <Jucato> Moniker42: sorry went afk for a bit. Ctrl+Alt+D also does it
[02:44] <Jucato> icecruncher: what do you mean?
[02:47] <icecruncher> Jucato: as in make the konsole part of the desktop
[02:47] <Jucato> run a Konsole window fullscreen, without borders, with (fake) translucency (so you can see the wallpaper), and always at the bottom
[02:47] <Jucato> or you could use Yakuake :)
[02:48] <AutoMatriX> does anybody know if the 'gnome' screensaver called sonar could be used with the KDE desktop ?
[02:48] <icecruncher> k
[02:50] <Moniker42> time to enable beryl/compiz
[02:50] <Moniker42> how do i do that?
[02:50] <Moniker42> apt-get beryl-manager?
[02:50] <Jucato> !beryl | Moniker42
[02:50] <ubotu> Moniker42: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:51] <Jucato> bah!
[02:51] <Jucato> oh there
[02:51] <Jucato> see the topic in that channel
[02:51] <Moniker42> thanks Jucato
[02:52] <Moniker42> what's happening with beryl and compiz right now?
[02:52] <Moniker42> i thought they were merging again
[02:53] <icecruncher> dunno, aint running it myself
[02:54] <ubuntu_> will beryl run properly with Kubuntu ????
[02:54] <icecruncher> maybe...:)
[02:54] <marc> I've got beryl running with kubuntu it works pretty good
[02:54] <vbgunz> I cannot eject my cdrom tray. when I tried eject -r at the command line, I get this: eject: unable to eject, last error: Input/output error
[02:55] <marc> even on my laptop with the lowly i815 driver it runs well although I've not got it tweaked outyet
[02:55] <vbgunz> can someone help me eject my tray?
[02:55] <Moniker42> vbgunz: if it's just a one-time error you could just stick a pin/paperclip/smallscrewdriver into the little hole on the front of the drive
[02:56] <Moniker42> it ejects it manually
[02:56] <ubuntu_> will it work with Nvidia ?
[02:56] <ubuntu_> i got lots of problems when trying to run it on Suse with Gnome
[02:56] <Moniker42> but if you experience the problem repeatedly it might be something to bother about :P
[02:56] <marc> yes it works especially well with nvidia but you need to use the propriatory driver
[02:56] <vbgunz> Moniker42: I really dont want to manually take out the tray
[02:57] <vbgunz> theres got to be something to make this errro go away or force it to eject
[02:57] <Moniker42> vbgunz: it's not a drastic last resort of anything
[02:57] <Moniker42> there's nothing wrong with ejecting your drive like that afaik
[02:57] <Moniker42> *or
[02:57] <icecruncher> ubuntu_: try on #beryl
[02:58] <vbgunz> Moniker I do not have a pinhole or anything that'll help me eject my tray. it looks like I'll have to yank it out or something :(
[02:58] <ubuntu_> oh there is a channel __
[02:58] <ubuntu_> ??
[02:58] <nomad__> any suggestions ?
[02:59] <icecruncher> ubuntu_: yes
[02:59] <icecruncher> nomad__: ?
[02:59] <ubuntu_> wow
[02:59] <Jucato> there's also #ubuntu-effects
[02:59] <jovans> can i use the gutsy/dev kernel in feisty?
[02:59] <Jucato> for beryl and compiz
[02:59] <nomad__> [14:51]  <nomad> Mjello
[02:59] <nomad__> [14:53]  <nomad> has anyone tried the LMCE1.1beta installer on kubuntu7.04 ?
[02:59] <nomad__> [14:53]  <nomad> got some issues with the initial part of the setup, namely the nvidia driver change
[02:59] <nomad__> [14:54]  <nomad> it just sits there, and nothing happens :)
[02:59] <jovans> or anybody know an third par. mirror/inofficial
[02:59] <jovans> ?
[02:59] <nomad__> looks like it got lost somehow :)
[03:00] <nomad__> sry4spam
[03:01] <icecruncher> jovans: please explain
[03:01] <icecruncher> nomad__: sorry no
[03:01] <nomad__> Ok
[03:02] <nomad__> the lmce wiki mentions IRC support, but it didn't give the network or channel :)
[03:02] <jovans> explain??? Hm i want u use a newr kernek 2.6.22 from gutsy does it works on feisty?
[03:03] <HymnToLife> jovans, most likely not, just build your own
[03:03] <nomad__> anyone with knowledge of their whereabouts ?
[03:03] <jovans> hm any inofficial or third par. repos avalib.?
[03:04] <HymnToLife> jovans, not that I know of, and please try to write correct english
[03:04] <jovans> ok
[03:04] <Moniker42> "write correct english"?
[03:04] <Feldegast> does the kubuntu dvd have a repair option to fix a broken kubuntu install?
[03:05] <icecruncher> Feldegast: is it live or alternate?
[03:05] <Feldegast> it's the DVD
[03:05] <Feldegast> my understanding is the DVD has both
[03:06] <icecruncher> Feldegast: k then it should have the option, yes
[03:06] <Feldegast> how do i use it then? my problem is i can't start X as non root
[03:09] <icecruncher> Feldegast: you don;t need to use x
[03:09] <icecruncher> it should be part of the boot options
[03:09] <Feldegast> to re-install i know
[03:09] <icecruncher> no
[03:09] <Maruko> hi everyboody
[03:09] <Maruko> I just installed beryl-manager
[03:10] <Maruko> but don't know where tostart
[03:10] <Maruko> can you help me configure it?
[03:10] <icecruncher> Maruko: pls try  #ubuntu-effects
[03:12] <felix_e> hmm, the folders kubuntu.org/packages/kde-stable and kde-latest are still outdated...
[03:12] <icecruncher> Feldegast: work?
[03:12] <icecruncher> felix_e: you mean 3.57?
[03:12] <felix_e> icecruncher: jep
[03:13] <icecruncher> mine updated yesterday
[03:13] <icecruncher> and today for that matter
[03:13] <felix_e> http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest/ <-- thats not 3.5.7
[03:14] <felix_e> icecruncher: you changed your sources.list, right?
[03:14] <Torres> Alguem do Brasil ?
[03:15] <Torres> someone of Brazil ?
[03:15] <icecruncher> I just updated them then upgraded
[03:15] <gnomefreak> !br | Torres
[03:15] <ubotu> Torres: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[03:15] <Torres> #ubutun-pt
[03:15] <felix_e> ya, sure. my point is: the symlinks kde-latest and kde-stable don't point to the correct location
[03:15] <Daisuke_Ido> that's because the latest available for edgy, to my knowledge, is 3.5.6
[03:15] <crazy_bus> is there any way to clean the memory in linux or something.  Because a program isn't loading because of a seg fault.  And leaving it for around 15minutes usually fixes it.  Is there any way to speed this up?
[03:17] <Torres> #Zegames
[03:17] <felix_e> Daisuke_Ido: ok but what's the point? isn't kde-latest supposed to be pointing to the latest kde? i mean... kubuntu's latest version(s) are feisty and dapper. why edgy?
[03:19] <kdeFREAK> Feldegast reinstall keeping the /home intact
[03:20] <Daisuke_Ido> k-buh wha?
[03:20] <Daisuke_Ido> dapper's older than edgy.
[03:20] <felix_e> Daisuke_Ido: dapper is LTS
[03:20] <Daisuke_Ido> right, and is only supported with security and bugfix updates
[03:20] <Daisuke_Ido> so no kde 3.5.7
[03:21] <Daisuke_Ido> edgy has been replaced with feisty, so no 3.5.7 in edgy either
[03:21] <felix_e> right. that's why i don't understand why kde-latest points to 3.5.6 for edgy instead of 3.5.7 for feisty
[03:21] <Daisuke_Ido> feisty defaults to 3.5.6, but there are repos for 3.5.7
[03:21] <Feldegast> k
[03:21] <felix_e> i think you're missing the point
[03:21] <sjapbnc5> Anyone know a good Unrarrer
[03:21] <Daisuke_Ido> because they haven't updated it to show feisty?
[03:21] <Jucato> felix_e: because kde-latest points to the latest kde for the particular release
[03:22] <Daisuke_Ido> sjapbnc5: unrar.
[03:22] <sjapbnc5> with graphical interface
[03:22] <Daisuke_Ido> unrar with ark
[03:22] <sjapbnc5> Yea i dont know how to use that.
[03:22] <sjapbnc5> Well ark
[03:22] <Jucato> sjapbnc5: install unrar and you can do it with ark
[03:22] <sjapbnc5> aah ok
[03:22] <sjapbnc5> ;p
[03:22] <felix_e> Jucato: no. kde-latest points to the latest kde for edgy.
[03:22] <Jucato> felix_e: yes. edgy's kde-latest will point to the latest KDE for Edgy. it will not point to the kde-latest for Feisty
[03:22] <Jucato> as that will break things
[03:22] <felix_e> there is no "edgy's kde-latest"
[03:23] <felix_e> there is exactly one kde-latest
[03:23] <felix_e> it is located here: http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest/
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> because kde-latest for feisty is installed by default
[03:23] <felix_e> and it points to the wrong location
[03:24] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: nope. feisty installs kde 3.5.6
[03:24] <Daisuke_Ido> 3.5.7 hasn't made it into the official repos yet
[03:24] <Jucato> felix_e: then probably that mirror has not be updated
[03:24] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: if you mean by official, the ubuntu.com repos, they never do
[03:24] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[03:24] <bernier> Hi, I know i have 1168,8mb of unused space on my disk. Is there a way I can create  a swap file with it?
[03:25] <Jucato> and there's not 3.5.7 for edgy. whether there will be.. I don't know
[03:25] <felix_e> Jucato: isn't kubuntu.org the main download site for (unofficial) kubuntu-packages? also, kubuntu.org already has 3.5.7.
[03:25] <felix_e> i don't think its an synchonisation issue.
[03:25] <felix_e> somebody forgot to update the symlink.
[03:25] <crazy_bus> I typed clearlinks and accidently deleted around 10 empty folders.  Is there anyway to undo this?
[03:25] <felix_e> i just wanted to report that.
[03:25] <crazy_bus> *cleanlinks
[03:26] <felix_e> but it seem jriddel isn't here anyway
[03:26] <Jucato> felix_e: because his IRC nick is Riddell
[03:27] <felix_e> *gna*
[03:27] <felix_e> Riddell: could you update kde-latest and kde-stable? thanks.
[03:29] <Daisuke_Ido> felix_e: if you use edgy, you won't be getting 3.5.7 right away if at all, and if you use feisty, the repos are already there.  so what exactly are you complaining about?
[03:30] <felix_e> Daisuke_Ido: the transition 3.5.6 -> 3.5.7 should be happening automatically for a feisty user who uses kde-latest.
[03:30] <felix_e> that's the whole point of this symlink.
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Daisuke_Ido: wont be at all.
[03:33] <Jucato> oh hi Hobbsee!! taking this chance to ask you about kdevelop 3.4.1 :D
[03:33] <Jucato> (on feisty of course :P)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: build it..
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: build it in a chroot, and get Ridde*ll to upload it.
[03:35] <Jucato> ah ok. :)
[03:41] <sean> I'm trying to play a DVD and the picture has the green of the picture in the top-left, with a purple shadow in the bottom right. Is this region protection or something?
[03:44] <sean> I also get this from kaffeine: libdvdnav: Suspected RCE Region Protection!!!
[03:44] <sean> but my DVD drive played dvd's before..
[03:48] <sivaji> what is the command to display root password
[03:48] <ardchoille> sivaji: There is no root password, use sudo
[03:48] <Jucato> there is no such command
[03:49] <ardchoille> !sudo | sivaji
[03:49] <sivaji> what is command will do "sudo passwd -l  root"
[03:49] <ardchoille> Is ubotu not displaying bot triggers anymore?
[03:50] <ardchoille> sivaji: That is not recommended nor supported.
[03:50] <ardchoille> sivaji: That will lock the root account, but it should already be locked.
[03:54] <Jucato> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[03:58] <acp_> hey ppl, someone can help me selecting my default sound card ? in gnome I just simply enter to the configuration panel and select if I want onboard sound or my soundblaster, but In KDE i can't find it via GUI
[04:00] <deichgraf> moin
[04:01] <acp_> hey ppl, someone can help me selecting my default sound card ? in gnome I just simply enter to the configuration panel and select if I want onboard sound or my soundblaster, but In KDE i can't find it via GUI
[04:02] <afd__> hi guys! I'm using kubuntu and all the gtk open file dialogs are 1.) very small windows (although can be resized) 2.) it hides everything except the media and home folder in the root.
[04:02] <dr_willis> i wonder if im the only one in the world that disables obboard sound in the bios settings.. :)
[04:03] <afd__> what can be done about my problems
[04:03] <afd__> ?
[04:08] <dr_willis> the hiding stuff in root is a feature
[04:08] <dr_willis> !hide
[04:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:08] <dr_willis> !hidden
[04:08] <ubotu> Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles . This will be removed in Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[04:08] <dr_willis> it was a feature. removed in feisty now.
[04:08] <afd__> dr_willis: I'm using feisty
[04:08] <dr_willis> did you upgrade? or do a clean install?
[04:08] <afd__> upgrade from dapper > edgy > feisty
[04:09] <dr_willis> thats proberly the issue then. check that wiki page on how to disable the hidden feature
[04:09] <afd__> I may even had had breezy here
[04:09] <afd__> :)
[04:09] <afd__> which wiki page?
[04:09] <afd__> oh, sorry
[04:09] <Daisuke-Ido> you truly are a masochist
[04:09] <afd__> I saw it now
[04:10] <afd__> well, the upgrade sometimes fails (actually almost always) but I usually remove with dpkg -r the packages that are broken and then continue the upgrade
[04:10] <dr_willis> i tend to keep /home on its own hd. and just do clean reinstalls. :)
[04:10] <afd__> it never happened that I got a broken machine
[04:10] <afd__> although I usually upgrade to the alphas
[04:10] <afd__> or betas
[04:11] <afd__> dr_willis: thanks :)
[04:12] <afd__> I thought gtk doesn't have right click menus in file dialogs, so I didn't even check that
[04:12] <sparrw> where might i get the efivars kernel module?
[04:15] <epimeth> is anybody using the kde 4 beta?  just want to hear about experiences and suggestions on whether or not to jump into it?
[04:15] <MrC_> hi there
[04:15] <epimeth> hi
[04:15] <MrC_> I have a question to ask,
[04:15] <epimeth> !ask | MrC_
[04:15] <ubotu> MrC_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:16] <MrC_> I was doing the update via terminal and it appear this line The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[04:16] <MrC_>   liborbit2-dev libsm-dev gstreamer0.8-jpeg libgnomeui-dev plib1.8.4-dev
[04:16] <MrC_>   libice-dev x11proto-xext-dev libneon26 libtasn1-3-dev gstreamer0.8-festival
[04:16] <MrC_> is it safe to remove them?
[04:17] <dr_willis> proberly
[04:17] <dr_willis> but they proberly aint hurting anything either.
[04:17] <MrC_> and then Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them
[04:17] <Lennings> Hello, i have a problem... Ive downloaded cinelerra 2.1 and extracted... But when i type sudo ./configure this output comes up:kim@Uber:~$ cd '/home/kim/vrigt/cinelerra-2.1'kim@Uber:~/vrigt/cinelerra-2.1$ sudo ./configure./configure: 47: Syntax error: Bad fd number    What's wrong?
[04:18] <pag> epimeth, kde4 is still alpha ;) And afaik it's rather unstable, so I wouldn't reccomend using it as a main system
[04:18] <Lennings> Anyone?
[04:19] <Feldegast> so if i do a fresh install and don't format /home i won't loose any of my stuff in /home?
[04:19] <Feldegast> .... /home is a seperate partition
[04:20] <dr_willis> i keep /home on its own drive. and tel the installer to NOT format it.
[04:20] <dr_willis> actually i dont even let the isntaller  mount it. I edit the fstab later to mount it..
[04:20] <dr_willis> that way im extra sure. :)
[04:20] <Feldegast> do u add the user in the installer or do it later?
[04:20] <linuxbomb> dr_willis: whooo
[04:20] <dr_willis> i add the one user i use. :)
[04:21] <Feldegast> k
[04:21] <dr_willis> then i fix /home tobe where i want it to be.
[04:21] <Feldegast> kewl
[04:21] <Feldegast> here goes a format then
[04:22] <dr_willis> of coursei always backup my /home just in case. :)
[04:23] <Feldegast> it's prolly time i did 1, havn't formatted since i installed 6.06
[04:23] <Feldegast> :)
[04:23] <epimeth> pag: I coulda sworn I heard it was beta now... whups :-)
[04:24] <epimeth> I gotta say, I can't wait for it to come out... the icons are stunning and I'm already using dolphin, anyway... so I won't have any new things to have to get used to :-0
[04:24] <epimeth> s/:-0/:-)
[04:25] <amachu> hi
[04:25] <amachu> i cannot burn DVD-R using K3B
[04:26] <amachu> while it sails smooth with regard to DVD-RW
[04:26] <amachu> why?
[04:26] <sudobash> try DVD+R
[04:26] <amachu> DVD+R?
[04:26] <sudobash> your drive might be better suited with dvr+r use
[04:27] <amachu> sudobash: means?
[04:27] <ura> please help me to understand this problem: SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
[04:28] <ura> this error appear when i write : sudo ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1 up
[04:28] <ura> someone can help me?
[04:29] <MrC_> Has anyone in the US(in here) already bough the Dell pc/notebook with Ubuntu pre-installed already?
[04:29] <dr_willis> i dident think you used the up option that way
[04:29] <dr_willis> MrC_,  given that they just came out today.. :)
[04:29] <dr_willis> i d frogotten about them! thanks Mc!
[04:29] <dr_willis> i gotta go look
[04:30] <MrC_> i know it just comed today,but some freaks my buy it
[04:30] <Lennings> After release of Vista. there were 2 million downloads of fedora Linux a week during release of Vista, and 8 million new users to Ubuntu in the last 3 months. This was their plan when buddying up with Novell, do use legal issues to attempt to either scare to control their market share. MAC sales increased also (which I'm sure you knew) Also Best Buy increased their models of MAC in stores nation wide. DOD, California, Indiana, French
[04:30] <Lennings> Parliament, Cuba have switched to Linux. MS has lost ground.
[04:31] <Lennings> Hello, i have a problem... Ive downloaded cinelerra 2.1 and extracted... But when i type sudo ./configure this output comes up:kim@Uber:~$ cd '/home/kim/vrigt/cinelerra-2.1'kim@Uber:~/vrigt/cinelerra-2.1$ sudo ./configure./configure: 47: Syntax error: Bad fd number    What's wrong?
[04:31] <MrC_> I know,Bill Gates is rich already ,i don't think he will mind about that
[04:32] <dr_willis> MicroSoft is allready ticked off about it.
[04:32] <dr_willis> Starting price for the E520n desktop and the E1505n notebook is $599; the XPS 410n starts at $899.
[04:33] <Lennings> lol
[04:34] <dr_willis> Starting price for the E520n desktop and the E1505n notebook is $599; the XPS 410n starts at $899.
[04:34] <dr_willis> so.. im guessing that NO ONE has bouight one yet. :)
[04:34] <dr_willis> These systems will be available at www.dell.com/open by 4pm CST today.
[04:35] <MrC_> Some friend of my in the UK bought a pc and her got some money back because he didn't want Vista
[04:35] <arafat> !gdc
[04:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gdc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:38] <dr_willis> i dont even see the specs for the E520n on their web site
[04:39] <dr_willis> ahh that is in the desktop area! :0
[04:39] <Lennings> How do you know how to install cinnerella?
[04:39] <dr_willis> !invo cinnerella
[04:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about invo cinnerella - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:39] <Lennings> I cant figure it out
[04:39] <dr_willis> that a video editing program?
[04:39] <Lennings> yes
[04:40] <dr_willis> I recall it being rather dumb in that are last i used it.
[04:40] <dr_willis> !info cinnerella
[04:40] <ubotu> Package cinnerella does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:40] <dr_willis> unless itsin the repos by now. guess not
[04:40] <Lennings> i tryd extracting and typing: ./configure
[04:40] <Lennings> i got this syntax error thing
[04:40] <ScottishDuckHunt> lo kubuntu helpers
[04:41] <dr_willis> http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/lofiversion/index.php?t13334.html  has some info on it.. but they install the rpms which is not a good idea
[04:41] <kumamoto> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=294007
[04:41] <kumamoto> don't know if that will help on the cinelerra issue
[04:41] <kumamoto> How to install Cinelerra on Ubuntu 6.10 Edgy Eft
[04:42] <ScottishDuckHunt> I'm having burning issues with my feisty DVD,i checked the MD5, tried X1 burn speed etc but no success, any halp?
[04:42] <kumamoto> !cinelerra
[04:42] <ubotu> cinelerra is a video editor and compositor. Install instructions can be found on http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu
[04:42] <dr_willis> there ya go! :0
[04:42] <dr_willis> ScottishDuckHunt,  i never bother with the dvd. the cd works good enough forme.
[04:42] <dr_willis> ScottishDuckHunt,  what is it not doing? what program are ya burning it with?
[04:43] <ScottishDuckHunt> I have tried alcohol 120%
[04:43] <ScottishDuckHunt> i believe i need the DVD because i need ndiswrapper for my usb wireless adapter
[04:43] <ScottishDuckHunt> and installing ndiswrapper offline is a pain
[04:44] <dr_willis> ScottishDuckHunt,  im not even sure the dvd includes that stuff.
[04:44] <ScottishDuckHunt> i checked the list, it does :)
[04:44] <dr_willis> you my want to try some different burning software.  - IF you got the dvd burnt. you could install from a cd. then access the packages from the dvd
[04:45] <dr_willis> Then again - ive about given up on wireless totally for now. :P
[04:45] <ScottishDuckHunt> lol
[04:45] <ScottishDuckHunt> maybe you can help me with ndiswrapper instead?
[04:45] <dr_willis> never used it.
[04:45] <ScottishDuckHunt> i cant ever get it to install in (K)ubuntu
[04:45] <Lennings> Sry i was afk
[04:46] <dr_willis> only recently has using the wireless in my Laptop became easy
[04:46] <pisq> AmyRose, what KDE are you using?
[04:46] <ScottishDuckHunt> compiling simply doesnt work :/
[04:46] <dr_willis> feisty + fwcutter worked good.
[04:46] <dr_willis> but wireless networking cards are the new Win-modem-Fiasco
[04:46] <dr_willis> but it IS getting better
[04:46] <ScottishDuckHunt> yes
[04:47] <ScottishDuckHunt> that is true
[04:47] <ScottishDuckHunt> i wish i had a laptop, linux has all the drivers for laptop hardware :(
[04:48] <ScottishDuckHunt> i might just roam around some distros, try my luck :)
[04:48] <ScottishDuckHunt> Linux Mint has always been good to me :)
[04:48] <dr_willis> Huh.. all the drivers for laptop?
[04:48] <ScottishDuckHunt> pretty much
[04:48] <dr_willis> not exactly. :) but its getting better
[04:48] <DaSkreech> dr_willis: Just had that discussion last night
[04:48] <kumamoto> Luv Mint too
[04:48] <ScottishDuckHunt> Laptop > PC for linux though
[04:49] <dr_willis> Linux Mint - is ubuntu + some perhaps less then legal stuff on it..  ive tested it out. In fact its Onmy laptop at the moment.
[04:49] <Lennings> Gah! im fucking tired of all these install problems... Fuck this shit! im out for a smoke
[04:49] <dr_willis> UBUNTU is one of the BEST disrots ive had running on my laptop.
[04:49] <kumamoto> Does the Mint with KDE look better than kubuntu
[04:49] <pisq> I want a laptop too. but people still want me to pay  for it. I want something for nothing.
[04:49] <LjL> !language | Lennings
[04:49] <ubotu> Lennings: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:49] <DaSkreech> !language
[04:49] <ScottishDuckHunt> i know its a flavour of ubuntu and, yes, the codec support does seem less than legal
[04:49] <dr_willis> kumamoto,  mint + kubuntu desktop = identical look to kubuntu
[04:50] <ben_> hey
[04:50] <dr_willis> LinuxMint is the neat kind of project.. that could .. err.. vanish. over night. :)
[04:50] <kumamoto> dr_willis: really?
[04:50] <ben_> can anyone here help me to get madwifi working?
[04:50] <dr_willis> kumamoto,  thats what i got on my laptop
[04:50] <ScottishDuckHunt> PCLinuxOS is by far the best looking KDE desktop imo :)
[04:50] <dr_willis> Mint + ubuntu-desktop+kiubuntu-desktop+xubuntu-desktop
[04:50] <dr_willis> last i tried PClinuxOS it wouldent eveb boot/install properly
[04:50] <ScottishDuckHunt> lol
[04:51] <dr_willis> its seems to be one of the.. well.. lets say..  not as well done disrtos out.
[04:51] <kumamoto> I have Mint on VM and it looks way cooler than ubuntu itself
[04:51] <ScottishDuckHunt> My problem with PCLinucOS is that it was just TOO easy, no freedom, a bit like mac
[04:51] <dr_willis> of course I would Love to see the disrto makers have a "Vanilla KDE/Gnome" option
[04:51] <kumamoto> am talking here default install and not customization
[04:51] <dr_willis> ScottishDuckHunt,  my problem with it was withit not working at all. :)
[04:51] <ScottishDuckHunt> lol
[04:51] <kumamoto> anyway as long as they work
[04:51] <ben_> anyone know how to setup madwifi? i can't seem to get it working
[04:51] <DaSkreech> dr_willis: you can install vaniall kde
[04:52] <ScottishDuckHunt> If i had the choice i would use SUSE, its the perfect distro in my opinion, it just lacks the driver support i need :(
[04:52] <dr_willis> DaSkreech,  yep. id love to see all disrto makers have it as a simple option however.
[04:52] <DaSkreech> dr_willis: kinda goes against the point of a Distro :)
[04:53] <ben_> madwifi anyone?
[04:53] <dr_willis> DaSkreech,  not really. "click here for the standard kde desktop"  - "Click here for our bastarized variant that the books/docs/help you get - will not know where stuff is at"
[04:53] <dr_willis> :)
[04:53] <dr_willis> plus from what ive seen of the kde/gnome customizations done by most disrtos.. they dont add much more then frills and bells..
[04:54] <dr_willis> Guess its getting where  the only outstanding feature OF many disrtos is the bells/whistles/extras
[04:54] <ScottishDuckHunt> Dr. Willis: there is, in the end, only 5 or so ACTUAL varients of linux though.
[04:54] <DaSkreech> dr_willis: yeah but if the main point of the distro is to give you a new version why would htye have an option for vanilla?
[04:54] <Feldegast> "downloading package lists" the cancel buton should be "skip" not "cancel"
[04:54] <dr_willis> DaSkreech,    new version of the Standard/Vanilla KDE  :)
[04:55] <Feldegast> as cancel to me is like abort everything
[04:55] <dr_willis> that reminds me - the new kde is out now.. 3.5.7?
[04:55] <ScottishDuckHunt> KDE 4 soon *_*
[04:55] <Chousuke> Feldegast: You should file a bug report then.
[04:55] <ScottishDuckHunt> yes 3.5.7 is out
[04:55] <ScottishDuckHunt> The main reason i use KDE is for Amarok lol
[04:55] <dr_willis> just bug fix's mainly aint it?
[04:56] <ScottishDuckHunt> yea
[04:56] <DaSkreech> ScottishDuckHunt: You know you can install it in Gnome Right?
[04:56] <ScottishDuckHunt> no real need for upgrade
[04:56] <ScottishDuckHunt> Daskreech: yes, but it runs through a KDE style emulator :)
[04:56] <KMoniker42> can i get a KDE skin for firefox?
[04:57] <DaSkreech> ScottishDuckHunt: What?
[04:57] <ScottishDuckHunt> Plus KDE is shinyer :)
[04:57] <The_Machine> heh
[04:57] <DaSkreech> What emulator?
[04:57] <DaSkreech> the greenphone?
[04:57] <The_Machine> I'm using kubuntu feisty and it isn't autodetecting USB drives that i'm plugging in - little help?
[04:57] <Feldegast> !bug
[04:57] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:57] <DaSkreech> !usb
[04:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:57] <DaSkreech> heehee
[04:57] <The_Machine> :/
[04:58] <The_Machine> heh
[04:58] <ScottishDuckHunt> DaScreech: In order for Amarok to run in a GNOME enviroment it requires the KDE enviroment to (sort of) run in the backround, a bit of a rescource hoar :)
[04:58] <The_Machine> heh@hoar
[04:58] <ScottishDuckHunt> im tryin to keep it clean =/
[04:58] <Jucato> not all of KDE. just kdelibs. and that's not big
[04:58] <ScottishDuckHunt> i failed
[04:59] <The_Machine> it's okay, you're Scottish.
[04:59] <ScottishDuckHunt> :)
[04:59] <The_Machine> we understand.
[04:59] <DaSkreech> ScottishDuckHunt: Yeah as all my friends say if you are going to use one KDE app you might as well jsut start getting used to them
[04:59] <DaSkreech> Either pure gnome or KDE
[04:59] <ScottishDuckHunt> yep
[04:59] <dr_willis> first thing i do is install kubuntu-destop,ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop :)
[05:00] <ScottishDuckHunt> lol
[05:00] <dr_willis> I want a WindowMaker-Desktop!
[05:00] <ScottishDuckHunt> why XFCe?
[05:00] <rothchild> @The_Machine usb drives is a bug
[05:00] <dr_willis> for the wife. :)
[05:00] <ScottishDuckHunt> its kinda useless imo
[05:00] <DaSkreech> #Elbuntu
[05:00] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:00] <ScottishDuckHunt> i used Xubuntu once, it was hellish =/
[05:00] <rothchild> it's in launchpad but doesn't look like there's gonna be anything done about it
[05:00] <dr_willis> i also tend to use xfce for my vnc sessions
[05:01] <ScottishDuckHunt> any1 here tried Sabayon?
[05:01] <The_Machine> :/
[05:01] <Feldegast> well the re-install failed, i still have the bug, so it must be in my user
[05:01] <The_Machine> it is?  that sucks!
[05:01] <The_Machine> i need to get info off of it!
[05:01] <The_Machine> do i have to boot into windows? :/
[05:02] <rothchild> nah there's a work around
[05:02] <rothchild> hold up I'm just looking for ya
[05:02] <The_Machine> sweet - it's showing up in KInfoCenter
[05:04] <rothchild> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/102097
[05:04] <rothchild> pmount-hal /dev/sdb
[05:04] <rothchild> is what you're looking for I think
[05:04] <rothchild> obviously replace sdb with whatever your drive has been assigned in /dv
[05:05] <rothchild> sorry /dev
[05:07] <rothchild> it's not a showstopper but it's not newb friendly either, it's not gonna encourage converts imo all this type of stuff should 'just work'
[05:08] <marko> which pakeges i need for qt development
[05:08] <marko> i try to compile qt code
[05:08] <marko> but it doesent work
[05:08] <epimeth> oohhhhh.... finally, something about the automount thing!  pmount!  now I'm wondering if it has any conf files?
[05:08] <epimeth> you know, so I can tell it to mount my ipod to /media/ipod instead of /media/FRED
[05:09] <epimeth> rothchild: you know anything about it?
[05:10] <Chousuke> no ;P
[05:10] <LjL> DaSkreech, unless you have like 4 gigs of ram, no it's not...
[05:10] <LjL> you'll run out of RAM in no time
[05:10] <DaSkreech> damn
[05:10] <DaSkreech> 3.5 :-(
[05:10] <Chousuke> but I can't afford anything like that :(
[05:10] <DaSkreech> Chousuke: I'd like enough money to buy The South pacific as well :)
[05:11] <rothchild> sorry I'm little more than noob myself my ipod (well my girls) mounts to media/sarahs_Ipod
[05:11] <Chousuke> a real nice solution would be a laptop with ~8GB of RAM and some 10GB solid state disk
[05:11] <The_Machine> one moment
[05:11] <rothchild> maybe if you rename your ipod to ipod it'll work
[05:11] <Chousuke> boot the OS from the solid state disk and save documents to it on shutdown
[05:12] <DaSkreech> Chousuke: And cry when there is an Electrical storm
[05:12] <The_Machine> my system doesn't run completely off of ram
[05:12] <The_Machine> but with 2.5 GB
[05:12] <The_Machine> my swapfile use is 1%
[05:12] <The_Machine> just upgraded
[05:12] <The_Machine> nice stuff :)
[05:12] <The_Machine> running a vmware server with a gig dedicated to it
[05:12] <epimeth> actually... you can build a relatively cheap beuwulf cluster with a whole lot of ram... that should be enough to run kubuntu off of ram...
[05:12] <Chousuke> DaSkreech: would that affect laptops with a battery? :)
[05:13] <Chousuke> 1GB should be enough to run Kubuntu off RAM
[05:13] <epimeth> rothchild: so you're a comedian, eh? :-p
[05:13] <Chousuke> but more would be nicer.
[05:13] <epimeth> Chousuke: yea, but not update to 3.5.7 :-0
[05:13] <epimeth> why do I keep missing the shift lately???
[05:13] <epimeth> s/0/)
[05:14] <Chousuke> well, obviously not.
[05:14] <Ace2016> Hi all
[05:14] <epimeth> hi Ace2016
[05:15] <Ace2016> Anyone know what the requirements for suspend to work are? do i need any swap, and does it have to be bigger than my ram? i have 900mb of swap at the mo but i have 1.25 gb of ram
[05:16] <Chousuke> you need at least as much swap as you have RAM
[05:16] <epimeth> shouldn't you have ~2x swap:ram ratio?
[05:16] <Ace2016> Chousuke: oh :( and all my partitions are xfs :(    (apart from boot but thats almost all full up of kernels)
[05:16] <Chousuke> Ace2016: you can make a swap file
[05:17] <Chousuke> or is there something wrong with making swapfiles on xs?
[05:17] <Chousuke> xfs*
[05:17] <Ace2016> epimeth: nope, that was in the old days when systems had very little ram, like 64mb of ram
[05:17] <Ace2016> you can make a swap file???? i thought it had to be a partition
[05:17] <Chousuke> Ace2016: nah, any file will do
[05:17] <rothchild> nah just dumb sorry! ;-)
[05:17] <epimeth> thats what I was told is ideal for most configurations... of course the ratio goes down as your ram increases...
[05:18] <Chousuke> Ace2016: you create a empty file full of zeros, and then mkfs.swap it, and mount it like you would a swap partition :)
[05:18] <Chousuke> or I think it's mkswap
[05:18] <Ace2016> thats great thanks
[05:18] <Chousuke> Ace2016: you can use dd to make the file
[05:18] <epimeth> Ace2016: but the O/S is still geared towards using the swap file in a certain way... specifics I won't get into as we had a 3 hour lesson just for that :-)
[05:20] <Ace2016> epimeth: where can i get a lesson?
[05:20] <epimeth> so while its not necessary to have a 2x swap, you might actually experience a slower speed because your swap file isn't big enough...
[05:20] <sivaji> hi
[05:20] <Ace2016> hi
[05:20] <epimeth> Ace2016: at uni... the course is called "Operating Systems"
[05:20] <Ace2016> oh, they do a course on how to use a computer?
[05:21] <epimeth> got an 82 on the final.... stupid multiple choice questions....
[05:21] <epimeth> Ace2016: no, its about theory of operating systems... now and then he'll say "windows does this, linux does that" but no specifics really...
[05:21] <Ace2016> oh
[05:22] <epimeth> its more like "so what are some ways to organize files on a hard disk?"
[05:22] <Ace2016> ...
[05:23] <epimeth> "at first we started with a file access table (FAT).  Hard drives were so-and-so sized so 8 bits per file were enough (FAT8)"
[05:23] <rothchild> The_Machine did you get your drive mounted?
[05:23] <epimeth> "then hard drives got bigger so we expanded to 16 bits per file"
[05:23] <LjL> windows keeps your interactive applications in RAM. linux on the other hand, if it deems an application unnecessarily, will swap it out into oblivion with no mercy :)
[05:24] <epimeth> a question on the exam would be "given a hard drive with size so-and-so, how big would a FAT16 table be in order to store all the data?"
[05:24] <michael> can someone tell me what this lin e means
[05:24] <michael> DIR=$(sed -ne "s:^FIRMWARE_DIR=\([^, ] *\).*:\1:p" \
[05:24] <michael> 		/etc/hotplug/firmware.agent)
[05:24] <LjL> epimeth: interesting topics *yawn* :P
[05:24] <Ace2016> epimeth: makes you wonder why no one just thought, well since we're going to have to jump to 16 bits, why not just add support for everything up to 1mb already so that everone starts using this filesystem
[05:24] <michael> that is the line in my ipw3945 install that it says after, wget, but i dont get that
[05:24] <epimeth> Ace2016: because "nobody will ever need more than 64Kb"
[05:25] <defrysk> epimeth, whats the point of that question , fat16 is obsolete
[05:25] <LjL> michael: assigns to a variable called DIR the output of a sed command which reads the file /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent and does something to it before outputting it
[05:26] <michael> confusing, eitherway, it didnt seem to work right
[05:26] <epimeth> I was giving a simple example... the only question about hard drives on the exam was "Linux uses which schema for file and directoy management? a)inode b)fat32 c)ntfs"
[05:26] <epimeth> :-)
[05:27] <LjL> michael: i'm not entirely sure what sed does, as i don't know what the "p" flag is
[05:27] <dr_willis> schema ?
[05:27] <Ace2016> inode
[05:27] <epimeth> first word that came to mind... its all in hebrew!
[05:27] <dr_willis> sed is the stream/editor
[05:27] <michael> ljl, when i put that command in it basically brings up a prompt /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent >
[05:27] <lucky_lucas> hi
[05:27] <michael> so i dunno what to do there
[05:28] <LjL> uhm, i'd put the word "inodes" into a different category than "fat32" and "ntfs"
[05:28] <Ace2016> yea fat32 and ntfs are file systems
[05:29] <LjL> michael: i don't know either, but the "prompt" is probably just due to you mis-splitting the command. try just doing it in a single line
[05:29] <LjL> michael: DIR=$(sed -ne "s:^FIRMWARE_DIR=\([^, ] *\).*:\1:p" /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent)
[05:29] <LjL> (note there is no \ anymore)
[05:30] <amachu> hi
[05:31] <amachu> how do i enable root login in Kubuntu edgy
[05:31] <epimeth> LjL Ace2016: you're right, but I think the spirit of what I was saying is there...
[05:31] <dr_willis> for a beginner its best to learn to use the 'sudo' system
[05:31] <LjL> amachu: why would you want to do that?
[05:31] <epimeth> just explaining to Ace2016 what the course was about....
[05:31] <LjL> for a beginner and for a non-beginner
[05:32] <amachu> LjL: i need it.. want to try
[05:32] <LjL> need it?
[05:32] <LjL> try? what is there to try?
[05:32] <amachu> LjL: i want to try logging in as root
[05:32] <dr_willis> sudo -s
[05:32] <epimeth> amachu: you can log in as root with $sudo -i
[05:32] <dr_willis> there ya go - a root shell
[05:32] <dr_willis> or was it -i? i forget.
[05:32] <epimeth> i :-)
[05:32] <amachu> not in command prompt
[05:32] <amachu> in GUI
[05:33] <amachu> from the login screen
[05:33] <epimeth> amachu: absolutely no reason for you to do that
[05:33] <dr_willis> direct logging in as root from the KDM/GDM stuff is disabled in the GDM/KDM configs
[05:33] <rothchild> kdesu 'yourapp'
[05:33] <LjL> amachu: that is a totally. bad. idea.
[05:33] <amachu> LjL: i know
[05:33] <amachu> but want to do it once
[05:33] <amachu> LjL: how do i
[05:33] <michael> ljl, now i get  /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent: No such file or directory
[05:33] <LjL> and i want to feel the emotion of wiping my entire hard drive once
[05:33] <LjL> i still won't do it though
[05:34] <LjL> michael: yes that's the same as i get
[05:34] <epimeth> amachu: there is absolutely nothing to see, mate... it is *exactly* the same as logging in as a regular user
[05:34] <amachu> LjL: tell me the way...
[05:34] <michael> isnt that wrong :(?
[05:34] <amachu> epimeth: wanna try once
[05:34] <imagine_> epimeth: with the added risk of screwin up your system;)
[05:34] <LjL> michael: how could i know, i don't even know what that command is *supposed* to do
[05:34] <michael> haha
[05:34] <epimeth> amachu: older distros had it enabled and defaulted with a red background and a big warning saying "YOU ARE LOGGED IN AS ROOT. BE CAREFUL, DIPSTICK!"
[05:35] <LjL> amachu, if you really want to do that, take the time to find out how to do it by yourself
[05:35] <dr_willis> or just kill kdm, login as root to a console. and run startx
[05:36] <dr_willis> dont expect anything amazing however.
[05:36] <epimeth> LjL: I did that once... low level format... I'm still shaking, but happily it *did* fix my corrupted sectors :-)
[05:36] <rothchild> lol@kilrae
[05:36] <joshua__> hello people
[05:36] <epimeth> kilrae_: I agree... it is awesome :-)
[05:36] <epimeth> joshua__: ahoy!
[05:36] <amachu> LjL: :-)
[05:37] <joshua__> epimeth hey
[05:37] <amachu> i got i suppose
[05:37] <joshua__> new to this just got kubuntu set up seems ok
[05:38] <epimeth> joshua__: congrats!  and welcome :-)
[05:38] <joshua__> first walk outside of windows
[05:38] <eeanm> haha ESR just quit using Fedora and threatens to use Ubuntu
[05:38] <eeanm> everyone watch out
[05:38] <eeanm> though actually this is old news
[05:38] <eeanm> so never mind :P
[05:38] <rothchild> good stuff joshua__ stick at it
[05:39] <joshua__> kubuntu is good yes ?
[05:39] <BWolf85> yes
[05:39] <joshua__> cool
[05:39] <rothchild> uh hu it's good
[05:40] <epimeth> meh... wikipedia says ESR's a bit of an @ss... I'll take their word for it :-)
[05:40] <rothchild> ESR?
[05:40] <epimeth> eric s. raymond
[05:40] <epimeth> http://www.catb.org/~esr/
[05:42] <rothchild> ooh pretty prolific
[05:42] <dr_willis> that will really make Fedora act better... not.
[05:43] <epimeth> dr_willis: its like smacking their wrist with a sweedish fish :-D
[05:43] <dthacker> bork bork bork!
[05:44] <sivaji> speaker is not working in kubuntu but  it is fine in windows
[05:45] <dr_willis> Egads Its a WindowsOnly Speaker!
[05:45] <dr_willis> :)
[05:45] <dr_willis> Or are you refering to the SoundCard?
[05:47] <epimeth> sivaji: you just need the drivers...
[05:48] <sivaji> can u tell me driver package name
[05:48] <dr_willis> and the sound card is?
[05:49] <sivaji> i could hear sound before i halt my system last time
[05:49] <Neil-> anyone here use terminatorX or similar dj programme?
[05:49] <Neil-> its majorly chuggy when playing mp3s
[05:50] <Neil-> theinterface is fast, but mp3s are so jerky
[05:50] <Jucato> Dhraakellian: are you using Konversation?
[05:50] <Dhraakellian> yes
[05:50] <Jucato> you can see the topic without typing /topic
[05:51] <Dhraakellian> Jucato: if you're not already in the channel?
[05:51] <Jucato> ah you mean you just left?
[05:51] <Jucato> oh ok (weird usage :P)
[05:51] <Dhraakellian> just joined
[05:52] <sivaji> jucato help me i got some problem with speaker and headset
[05:52] <Jucato> sivaji: sorry, no idea. (i've been watching... but no idea sorry)
[05:52] <sivaji> ok
[05:53] <malik__> have they released the erata fix for fiesty yet?
[05:53] <sivaji> LjL  i got some problem with speaker and headset
[05:53] <LjL> sivaji, i suggest you stop highlighting people randomly.
[05:54] <sivaji> u r always finding some fault
[05:54] <LjL> and yet you're still in this channel
[05:54] <LjL> so, don't complain and don't be annoying.
[05:55] <sivaji> ok help me if u can
[05:55] <joshua__> amarok plays mp3's good
[05:55] <joshua__> listening to that esr dude
[05:56] <Dhraakellian> lame
[05:57] <SlimeyPete> I wouldn't listen to ESR.... it's only a short step from that to listening to Richard Stallman singing about Free Software.
[05:57] <rothchild> sivaji is the volume turned up?
[05:57] <Dhraakellian> And that's not good, hackers. That's not good
[05:58] <dr_willis> Lenard Nemoy Singing about BillBo Baggins!
[05:58] <blue_chicken> hi guys :) i have a 2.6.20-15-generic kernel and i need to get its sources ... but there's only 2.6.20 and 2.6.20.[1...11]  versions on kernel.org ... so what version should i download? thanks
[05:58] <dr_willis> :0
[05:58] <SlimeyPete> blue_chicken: there're source packages in the repos
[05:58] <Dhraakellian> dr_willis: not as bad
[05:58] <Dhraakellian> Nimoy actually has some talent
[05:58] <rothchild> I think I'd rather hear Stallman sing about software than ESR rant on about his (alleged) race hatred
[05:58] <LjL> !kernel > blue_chicken    (blue_chicken, see the private message from Ubotu)
[05:58] <dr_willis> http://youtube.com/watch?v=OFM90ZbWUek
[05:58] <dr_willis> :)
[05:59] <Dhraakellian> and it's available in better quality than RMS's song
[05:59] <dr_willis> gotta love the wacked out  70's
[06:00] <blue_chicken> SlimeyPete, are u sure? i searched ubuntu's site and found no deb packs with kernel source... :(
[06:00] <blue_chicken> SlimeyPete, are there any special apt-egt command to download MY kernel source version?
[06:00] <LjL> blue_chicken, there are source packages for *every* binary package
[06:00] <SlimeyPete> blue_chicken: yep. "linux-source" or "linux-source-2.6.20"
[06:01] <SlimeyPete> though they won't show up if you don't have the source repository enabled (you probably do)
[06:01] <LjL> !info linux-source-2.6.20
[06:01] <ubotu> linux-source-2.6.20: Linux kernel source for version 2.6.20 with Ubuntu patches. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.20-15.27 (feisty), package size 46684 kB, installed size 46816 kB
[06:01] <blue_chicken> oh... i searched kernel-source pack... lol :) thankjs :_)
[06:01] <blue_chicken> THANKS! :)
[06:01] <SlimeyPete> blue_chicken: the packages will shove the source in /usr/src, IIRC
[06:02] <LjL> blue_chicken, the guide i had Ubotu send you has them anyway
[06:02] <compilerwriter> Open Office just hung on me what is my best option?
[06:02] <Daisuke-Ido> pray
[06:03] <SlimeyPete> kill it and start again.
[06:03] <Daisuke-Ido> fortunately the document recovery works most of the time
[06:03] <SlimeyPete> it can recover files, iirc
[06:04] <Daisuke-Ido> i eventually just started using abiword :\  better for writing quick papers
[06:04] <ahmed> hi guys, i have just installed ubuntu,, i have  2gb core duo intel processor ,wat should i do to make ubuntu recongnize or use the daul core fully... i heard i shud recompile the kernel or so ..plz helpppp
[06:05] <dr_willis> you heard wrong.
[06:05] <dr_willis> it should see/use them from the start
[06:05] <dr_willis> try $ cat /proc/cpuinfo
[06:09] <ahmed> PCLinuxOS 2007 did any one hear abt it ????
[06:10] <Dhraakellian> cd<pageup> should bring me to the last time I used cd
[06:10] <ahmed> guys wats the difference between PCLinuxOS 2007 and ubuntu,..
[06:11] <_Shade_> i have just installed fvmw crystal... can i apply themes for fvmw and how can i do it?
[06:11] <Dhraakellian> they're different distros.  that's about all I know
[06:11] <Dhraakellian> iirc, PCLOS is rpm-based
[06:14] <PeterJB> Hi
[06:15] <dr_willis>  PCLinuxOS 2007  was well.. i will be nice and just say.. Ubuntu worked better for me...
[06:15] <dr_willis> Ive yet to see a disrto work as good on laptops as ubuntu/kubuntu does
[06:20] <Dhraakellian> is there any way to downgrade packages with adept_manager?
[06:28] <|Cugel|> apt-get upgrade shows me that 'hal' has been kept back. This has been the case for a week or two now. Anyone else who has that?
[06:30] <rothchild> Cugel try apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:31] <|Cugel|> You're right.
[06:34] <PeterJB> Anyone had any experience with installin via graphics cards
[06:38] <jussi01> PeterJB:  should be already part of the kernel IIRC.
[06:39] <PeterJB> When I set up my xorg with via as the chip upon reboot it just dumps me into a command lin
[06:39] <PeterJB> sorry line
[06:40] <PeterJB> Do I need to set it to load some modules, if so how do i do that?
[06:46] <dr_willis> via makes a lot of different chipsets/cards
[06:47] <Moniker42> hey, how do i load scripts in konversation?
[06:50] <PeterJB> It was a unichrome.  There was a package in adept which saved me going though half of via's hoops which said it supported it.  Can anyone point me to any posts on this subject?
[06:51] <blue_chicken> hi all again :) can you advice me some good benchmark tool(s) [i'm interested in Hard Drive banchmarking]  which can run both on Linux and Windows? I just want to compare results
[06:51] <BenWhitey> hey
[06:51] <BenWhitey> when i try to connect to my wireless network it deosn't get past 28%
[06:52] <blue_chicken> BenWhitey, u mean u lose 28% of data?
[06:52] <blue_chicken> hi all again :) can you advice me some good benchmark tool(s) [i'm interested in Hard Drive banchmarking]  which can run both on Linux and Windows? I just want to compare results
[06:53] <PeterJB> BenWhitey: What chipset are you using? Have you installed drivers?
[06:53] <BenWhitey> default drivers, Atheros
[06:53] <blue_chicken> hi all again :) can you advice me some good benchmark tool(s) [i'm interested in Hard Drive banchmarking]  which can run both on Linux and Windows? I just want to compare results
[06:53] <blue_chicken> sorry for flood, ppl :
[06:53] <PeterJB> try typing iwconfig in the terminal
[06:53] <iarwain_> blue_chicken: apt-cache gives me 'bonnie++'
[06:54] <PeterJB> sorry BenWhitey: See previous post
[06:54] <iarwain_> blue_chicken: don't know if it also works in Windows ;o
[06:54] <blue_chicken> iarwain, ok, thanks :)
[06:54] <BenWhitey> ok
[06:54] <iarwain_> blue_chicken: np's xD
[06:55] <blue_chicken> i just need ONE tool - i think i'd get much more trustful results if using one tool
[06:55] <PeterJB> BenWhitey: Whats the output?
[06:55] <BenWhitey> i'm on windows right now
[06:55] <BenWhitey> my laptop is next to me
[06:55] <BenWhitey> gimme a min to type it out
[06:55] <PeterJB> *laugh out loud*
[06:55] <BenWhitey> i would connect my ethernet to my laptop, except when ive done that in the past its messed up my wifi
[06:56] <PeterJB> Interesting - does that mean the wifi used to work
[06:56] <BenWhitey> it works in windows
[06:56] <PeterJB> Okay
[06:56] <BenWhitey> just got this laptop on monday
[06:57] <BenWhitey> http://rafb.net/p/AwjwwB99.html
[06:58] <blue_chicken> iarwain: i found it! :) http://www.iozone.org/ - this tool works both on win and Linux :) btw look at the screen shoots - it look just pretty :)
[06:58] <blue_chicken> ok, thank u all
[06:58] <timmay> low level question....i just installed the Matrix GL screen saver options and they aren't working, any idea why?
[07:00] <BenWhitey> any ideas peter?
[07:01] <ubuntu_> guys is that possible to mount a ntfs partition under ubuntu? i'm running ubuntu from a live cd
 knoppix does that automatically, i have no clue how to do it though
[07:02] <BenWhitey> so that you can open the files right?
[07:02] <ubuntu_> i want only to see the files
[07:02] <ubuntu_> nothing more
[07:02] <BenWhitey> yeah, i dont know how to do it, but it can be done
[07:02] <timmay> ubuntu_: yes it is, one sec while i get the command
[07:03] <PeterJB> BenWhitey: Sorry just had to take a call
[07:03] <ubuntu_> ok timmay
[07:03] <timmay> is the ntfs your primary or secondary drive?
 np, was just hoping you did leave
[07:03] <rothchild> BenWhitey try setting your kwallet password to nothing i.e. no password
[07:03] <ubuntu_> it's primary. i have only one partition
[07:03] <BenWhitey> the wifi network isn't encrypted
[07:04] <PeterJB> Is it encrypted
[07:04] <BenWhitey> nope
[07:04] <timmay> ok which ever partition is your ntfs you'll need to change the sda1 to whatever it is
[07:04] <timmay> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
[07:04] <timmay> and change it from windows to whatever it is
[07:04] <rothchild> the knetworkmanager seems to balk at having to send a key and retrieve a password at the same time
[07:05] <BenWhitey> my wifi card is AR5212 802.11abg NIC
[07:05] <timmay> ubuntu_: first do mkdir /mnt/name then mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/name
[07:06] <rothchild> BenWhitey I'm assuming the card is working and you can see you access point in the kwifimanger applet?
[07:06] <timmay> change the sda1 to whatever sd it is and name the /mnt dir to whatever you want to call it
 i don't have that aplet, but i can scan and see the network
[07:06] <PeterJB> Try the following commands:
[07:06] <PeterJB> sudo ifconfig ath0 up
[07:06] <PeterJB> sudo iwconfig ath0 esid (then type the name of you network without the bracksets)
[07:06] <PeterJB> sudo iwconfig ath0 key offsudo dhclient ath0
[07:07] <BenWhitey> kk
[07:07] <PeterJB> sory there should be an entre btween the off and the next sudo
[07:07] <BenWhitey> yeah
[07:07] <BenWhitey> essid instead of esid
[07:07] <BenWhitey> or does it not make a difference?
[07:07] <rothchild> BenWhitey PeterJB is the guru here follow him
[07:08] <PeterJB> sorry yeah, essid is the correct one
[07:08] <BenWhitey> kk
[07:08] <PeterJB> I am not a guru - tust me
[07:08] <rothchild> lol
[07:09] <rothchild> making you a guru mildly inflates my abilities so you're a gure ;-)
[07:09] <rothchild> guru
[07:09] <PeterJB> *laugh out loud*
[07:09] <BenWhitey> lol
[07:10] <BenWhitey> pl
[07:10] <BenWhitey> ok
[07:10] <BenWhitey> this will take me a sec to type all this stuff out
[07:10] <PeterJB> that is almost as bad as the logic, since squirels are grey and sharks are grey then sharks are squirels
[07:10] <ubuntu_> timmay it says that i have to mention the filesystem
[07:11] <timmay> do a man ntfs-3g
[07:12] <ubuntu_> ok. tahnks
[07:12] <ubuntu_> thanks
[07:12] <rothchild> Socrates would be proud!
[07:12] <PeterJB> *laugh out loud*
[07:12] <BenWhitey> http://rafb.net/p/7xrGU851.html
[07:12] <PeterJB> I am not convinced
[07:15] <rothchild> sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager gets my vote
[07:16] <PeterJB> BenWhitey: Have you installed madwifi
[07:16] <BenWhitey> i asked in their irc channlel
[07:16] <PhinnFort> !xorg.conf
[07:16] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:16] <BenWhitey> they said that it came inubuntu or something
[07:16] <BenWhitey> or kubuntu rather
[07:17] <BenWhitey> or something like that
[07:18] <BenWhitey> i tried installing madwifi earlier, i either did it wrong or it didn't help
[07:18] <BenWhitey> the thing is, i can scan thenetworks and it can see them
[07:18] <BenWhitey> and their MAC addresses and channels and stuf
[07:18] <PeterJB> The tools aren't installed by default.  Try connecting an ethernet cable and type:
[07:18] <PeterJB> sudo apt-get install madwifi-tools
[07:19] <BenWhitey> ok
[07:19] <BenWhitey> well, i'm going to disconnect from this then because my dekstop is using the ethernet
[07:19] <BenWhitey> let me chang eover and use wifi on my desktop
[07:19] <ehamberg> Is it possible to get a listing of config files that has been altered? (Changed from the version in the deb)
[07:19] <PeterJB> okay
[07:20] <BenWhitey1> ok
[07:20] <BenWhitey1> 1sec
[07:21] <BenWhitey1> hah
[07:21] <BenWhitey1> benwhitey will time soon
[07:21] <PeterJB> *laugh out loud*
[07:22] <vincent_> so what's up with the adept-updater tray applet? It tells me there's 1 updated package when it isn't any?
[07:22] <BenWhitey1> "couldn't find package madwifi-tools"
[07:22] <PeterJB> and you are connected to the network
[07:22] <vincent_> same problem as once before with edgy?
[07:22] <PeterJB> look at the network manager in the tray
[07:24] <PeterJB> type in sudo adept_manager
[07:24] <PeterJB> then search madwifi
[07:25] <BenWhitey1> "could not find mime type application/octet-stream"
[07:25] <dave_> is there a way to change the listening port of Remote Desktop
[07:25] <BenWhitey1> i pushed ok
[07:25] <PeterJB> okay
[07:26] <BenWhitey1> "Loading, please wait...."
[07:26] <BenWhitey1> should it really take this long?
[07:26] <PeterJB> possibly, if this is the first time you've used it
[07:27] <BenWhitey1> it is, but its still loading
[07:27] <BenWhitey1> or it says its still loading
[07:27] <PeterJB> hmm
[07:28] <PeterJB> try closing it and in the konsole type sudo apt-get update
[07:28] <BenWhitey1> Adept manager is not responding
[07:28] <BenWhitey1> terminate?
[07:28] <PeterJB> yes
[07:29] <BenWhitey1> ok
[07:29] <BenWhitey1> its going
[07:29] <BenWhitey1> ok
[07:29] <BenWhitey1> now what
[07:29] <somedude> benwitey - apt-get upgrade
[07:30] <PeterJB> now try what somedude said - make sure you are sudo
[07:30] <somedude> sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:31] <BenWhitey1> ok
[07:31] <BenWhitey1> 20sec left
[07:31] <BenWhitey1> or no
[07:31] <PeterJB> cool
[07:31] <somedude> great
[07:31] <BenWhitey1> its gonig quit eslow
[07:31] <somedude> well call the internet and ask for a refund. lol jk
[07:32] <BenWhitey1> 5/2 :)
[07:32] <somedude> the tubes of the internet must be clogged
[07:32] <somedude> =p
[07:32] <BenWhitey1> lol
[07:32] <BenWhitey1> ok done
[07:32] <PeterJB> Now try:
[07:32] <PeterJB> sudo apt-get install madwifi-tools
[07:32] <BenWhitey1> ok
[07:33] <BenWhitey1> now what?
[07:33] <somedude> anyone else use Swsscanner?
[07:34] <somedude> very unstable for me =(
[07:34] <atidem> ciao
[07:35] <PeterJB> somedude: little experience of it, what you using it for,maybe kismet would be a suitable drop in
[07:35] <somedude> yeah i use that too
[07:36] <somedude> but now there is a bug in swscanner since kubuntu 7.04
[07:36] <somedude> ugh
[07:36] <PeterJB> oh, what issues does it raise
[07:36] <BenWhitey1> peter: what now?
[07:36] <somedude> peterjb - help ben I can wait
[07:37] <somedude> thanks though. i just got a call
[07:37] <BenWhitey1> are you guys tech support?
[07:38] <PeterJB> no
[07:38] <PeterJB> try rebooting and see if wifi works afterwards
[07:38] <BenWhitey1> ok
[07:38] <BenWhitey1> should i unplug my ethernet?
[07:40] <BenWhitey1> well, i just did lets see what happens
[07:40] <PeterJB> cool
[07:40] <PeterJB> could do, it shouldn't make a difference
[07:41] <_Shade_> how can i apply an fvwm theme?
 still stuck at 28%
[07:42] <PeterJB> hmm
[07:44] <BenWhitey1> it stops at "Activation stage: Configuring device"
[07:46] <BenWhitey1> iwconfig has the same stuff as before
[08:17] (mahboob/#kubuntu) K-Ryan: basicly cant get it to run in firefox but can externaly
[08:17] (K-Ryan/#kubuntu) I missed everything, I don't know what "it" is
[08:17] (K-Ryan/#kubuntu) I only just joined the channel =P
[08:18] (mahboob/#kubuntu) K-Ryan:realplayer in firefox
[08:18] (K-Ryan/#kubuntu) hmm
[08:18] (K-Ryan/#kubuntu) !realplayer
[08:18] (ubotu/#kubuntu) For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:18] <sephnroth> hi lads n lasses
[08:18] (K-Ryan/#kubuntu) Hrmm, I'm not sure
[08:18] <K-Ryan> Hi there sephnroth
[08:18] <K-Ryan> mahboob: Stick around though I'm sure someone knows how to fix it.
[08:19] <mahboob> k
[08:19] <mahboob> thanx anyway
[08:19] <K-Ryan> Sorry I couldn't help more =/
[08:19] <Sephnroth> having a selection of problems today if anyone is feeling brave :)
[08:20] <K-Ryan> Sephnroth: Ask away and whoever can help usually will.
[08:20] <AFaith> hello you all!
[08:20] <K-Ryan> Hi there AFaith!
[08:20] <Lynoure> Sephnroth: usually a good idea to go one problem at the time
[08:20] <cvill64-laptop> mahboob: if running i386, doesn't automatix2 install and set up realplayer for you ?
[08:20] <K-Ryan> NEVER use automatix
[08:21] <K-Ryan> !automatix
[08:21] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[08:21] <K-Ryan> EVER
[08:21] <AFaith> hello K-Ryan
[08:21] <Sephnroth> well, choose an issue :) you can have: SIGSEGV on kde start after nvidia driver install (same sigsegv when trying to view displays and monitors in config).
[08:21] <cvill64-laptop> !WorksForMe
[08:21] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[08:21] <Sephnroth> you can have the simpler, is there a proper codec pack because some of my videos are just black.  or the: how to select default soundcard for all things, i have 2 and it appears to be using wrong one
[08:21] <Sephnroth> XD
[08:22] <K-Ryan> Sephnroth: libxine-extracodecs
[08:22] <Sephnroth> thats my top 3 for the moment, but not everything ;)  but anything else just confuses things.
[08:22] <Sephnroth> thankyou :)
[08:22] <rothchild> whats wrong with mplayer and the mozilla plugin?
[08:22] <AFaith> have a question
[08:22] <cvill64-laptop> Sephnroth: for sound to work for me, I had to use asoundconf
[08:22] <AFaith> what does slocate & updatedb do ?
[08:22] <K-Ryan> I'll get on the sound issue though
[08:22] <K-Ryan> AFaith: Go ahead and ask the channel.
[08:22] <Lynoure> Sephnroth: now you will probably get answers to both... =)
[08:22] <AFaith> i've asked :P
[08:22] <K-Ryan> Err, lag?
[08:23] <AFaith> K-Ryan: what does slocate & updatedb do ?
[08:23] <cvill64-laptop> AFaith: updatedb creates a nifty db for slocate to sift through and easily find files for you
[08:23] <Sephnroth> we have  video ladies and gentleman, that is indeed the starship enterprize in kaffine
[08:23] <Sephnroth> now for sound XD
[08:23] <AFaith> i see :-?
[08:23] <cvill64-laptop> e.g.: $ updatedb && locate <file name>
[08:23] <Lynoure> AFaith: do   man slocate
[08:23] <Lynoure> AFaith: and   man updatedb
[08:23] <K-Ryan> Sephnroth: Have you tried System Settings> Sound ?
[08:23] <AFaith> Lynoure: i've already done that, but i didn't understand anything
[08:24] <cvill64-laptop> Sephnroth: asoundconf
[08:24] <Sephnroth> trying
[08:24] <Sephnroth> sec
[08:24] <Lynoure> AFaith: updatedb  updates the database 'locate' uses to find things
[08:24] <cvill64-laptop> I had to run that with the list and another command for kubuntu to properly use the audigy2 instead of on board nvidia
[08:24] <AFaith> i see...
[08:24] <AFaith> thanks for the tip :)
[08:24] <Lynoure> AFaith: otherwise you could be searching from database that is no longer up to date.
[08:25] <cvill64-laptop> kernel likes to eat up memory for updatedb though ;)
[08:26] <Lynoure> AFaith: and slocate, like locate, searches for files and directories with the word you specify e.g.   slocate  .jpg   finds all the files with .jpg  in their name
[08:26] <Lynoure> AFaith: (and directories, if they have that, too)
[08:26] <AFaith> oh ... i see... indeed a very good tool
[08:26] <cvill64-laptop> Sephnroth: after the asoundconf, you need to restart kde at the very least to get sound to work
[08:26] <Sephnroth> neither help that i can see. but if i run kmixer i see the default soundcard in the dropdown box is my audiophile and not the onboard sound which is what i want
[08:26] <Sephnroth> may sound strange but
[08:26] <AFaith> !laptop
[08:26] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[08:27] <AFaith> yet another question
[08:27] <Sephnroth> the audiophile is a studio card which i use for HD recording, the onboard however supports the surround sound for my output settings
[08:27] <AFaith> whats the most linux friendly laptop ?
[08:27] <Sephnroth> so i want linux to output, by default, with the onboard
[08:27] <cvill64-laptop> Sephnroth: $ asoundconf LIST ... then asoundconf set-default-card CARD
[08:27] <K-Ryan> Can someone help me fix my fstab? Swap doesn't turn on automatically.
[08:27] <cvill64-laptop> AFaith: any lappy with linux installed by default :{
[08:27] <cvill64-laptop> :P
[08:28] <AFaith> cvill64-laptop: one of my friends bought a laptop with mandriva preinstalled
[08:28] <AFaith> and his wlan card wasn't supported
[08:28] <Sephnroth> i have sound
[08:28] <Sephnroth> thanks cvill
[08:28] <Sephnroth> perfect XD
[08:28] <AFaith> like the graphic card
[08:28] <AFaith> and like the sound card
[08:29] <cvill64-laptop> K-Ryan: I have "UUID=ffd39d53-b074-4d82-953a-9d608cec3d3d none            swap    sw              0       0" in fstab for swap
[08:29] <cvill64-laptop> but you shoud have been able to set it up during install time
[08:29] <cvill64-laptop> Sephnroth: I learned that one last night, kinda like alsaconf from gentoo :P
[08:29] <K-Ryan> I was told to get rid of UUID=blahblahblah and just put in /dev/sdb2
[08:29] <K-Ryan> the location of my swap
[08:29] <K-Ryan> mind you keeping the none    swap  sw     0    0
[08:29] <Sephnroth> XD
[08:29] <cvill64-laptop> that might work too K-Ryan
[08:29] <K-Ryan> It doesn't =)
[08:29] <Sephnroth> my sound configuration has always made things confusing for setting up
[08:30] <Sephnroth> theres this lil diagram i made for a friend to explain it: http://storage.treeofjurai.homelinux.com/storage_root/Images/davesound.jpg
[08:30] <cvill64-laptop> I have an audigy2 pci and nvidia on board sound
[08:30] <Sephnroth> its not very elegant, but lol its best i could manage XD
[08:30] <cvill64-laptop> always have problems, gentoo just run alsaconf, ubuntu with the asoundconf
[08:30] <cvill64-laptop> kmix doesn't like to mute though afaik
[08:30] <cvill64-laptop> it will do the volume though
[08:31] <cvill64-laptop> nobody knows how to downgrade a specific package do they?
[08:31] <K-Ryan> I fixed it
[08:31] <K-Ryan> It had a 3 instead of a 2...
[08:32] <PhinnFort> !downgrade
[08:32] <ubotu> Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[08:32] <K-Ryan> Worth a try I guess
[08:32] <K-Ryan> !find downgrade
[08:32] <cvill64-laptop> seems you can find uuid info from ls /dev/disk/by-uuid -l
[08:32] <ubotu> File downgrade found in inventor-clients
[08:33] <K-Ryan> Not what I wanted from ubotu, oh well
[08:33] <K-Ryan> cvill64-laptop: the /dev/sdb2 did it, it just had a 3 there for some reason...
[08:33] <cvill64-laptop> yteah, upgrade of hal messes up automounting of usb devices
[08:33] <cvill64-laptop> lol, random digits fun :P
[08:33] <K-Ryan> No it was my fault
[08:33] <Sephnroth> how can i import bookmarks in firefox?  i got ntfs read/write working so i figure i may as well import my bookmarks from my windows drive to here
[08:33] <K-Ryan> It wasn't something gone wrong =P
[08:33] <Sephnroth> but i dont see an option o.O
[08:34] <cvill64-laptop> I think there is a plugin for that Sephnroth
[08:34] <cvill64-laptop> or you may be able to just copy over your .mozilla folder
[08:34] <The_Machine> i'm having a nightmare of a time with my new nvidia card
[08:34] <K-Ryan> or at least the bookmark folder/files
[08:35] <K-Ryan> The_Machine: What card did you get?
[08:35] <The_Machine> wondering if someone who "knows" could help - i am in X now, but whenever i reboot i get these kernel mismatch errors
[08:35] <The_Machine> this is a Geforce 7300 GS
[08:35] <K-Ryan> What changes have you made so far?
[08:36] <The_Machine> i don't want to say "too many to keep track of" because they've all been related to the driver from the nvidia web site
[08:37] <K-Ryan> Yeah, you want the driver from the repos.
[08:37] <The_Machine> but i'm sure that xorg.conf is not exactly right, and nvidia keeps referencing some kinds of different kernels or something
[08:37] <The_Machine> so, how about this...
[08:37] <The_Machine> how do i just completely uninstall whatever i have installed
[08:37] <The_Machine> and install the driver from the repo? :)
[08:37] <The_Machine> heh
[08:37] <The_Machine> if i could just do that, it'd be happy
[08:37] <K-Ryan> Don't know about the uninstall part, I never made the mistake of doing that.
[08:37] <The_Machine> (or, would the repo driver uninstall what i'm using now)
[08:37] <The_Machine> okay..
[08:37] <K-Ryan> Probably wouldn't
[08:37] <K-Ryan> Hold on a sec though
[08:37] <The_Machine> k
[08:39] <AndrewsMas> hello
[08:40] <K-Ryan> I'm really not sure what to do about the drivers that you installed already The_Machine, but I would ask around about it and afterwards install the drivers from the repos.
[08:40] <K-Ryan> Hi there AndrewsMas!
[08:40] <K-Ryan> The_Machine: Keep asking around, someone is bound to know what went wrong.
[08:40] <The_Machine> K-Ryan, how does one install drivers from the repos?  I mean, when i do a search for 'nvidia' i get a ton of hits
[08:40] <The_Machine> from apt
[08:40] <The_Machine> which one is the driver?!
[08:40] <K-Ryan> Shouldn't be too many
[08:41] <K-Ryan> Hold on I'll find the ones you need
[08:41] <The_Machine> would it be okay to use Automatix2?
[08:41] <K-Ryan> Never
[08:41] <K-Ryan> EVER
[08:42] <cvill64-laptop> nvidia-glx is the name of the package
[08:42] <K-Ryan> !automatix
[08:42] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[08:42] <The_Machine> lol
[08:42] <The_Machine> lol
[08:42] <The_Machine> okay :)
[08:42] <The_Machine> thanks cvill64-laptop :)
[08:42] <K-Ryan> I'm not even kidding, I've seen more than one person as of yesterday who needed a fresh install because of it.
[08:42] <The_Machine> i'll remove it?
[08:42] <cvill64-laptop> lol, well it "worked for me" ;)
[08:42] <K-Ryan> cvill64-laptop: Aren't there 2?
[08:42] <cvill64-laptop> don't know, that's the only one I think I had to install
[08:43] <K-Ryan> Yeah, nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common
[08:43] <The_Machine> thanks K-Ryan
[08:43] <The_Machine> will try to install those now
[08:43] <The_Machine> we'll see if it craps it out
[08:43] <The_Machine> if it does
[08:43] <K-Ryan> Hope you fix 'er up.
[08:43] <The_Machine> i know how to get back to X :)
[08:43] <cvill64-laptop> remember to reinstall even after minor kernel changes
[08:43] <cvill64-laptop> reinstall nvidia stuff that is
[08:43] <The_Machine> reinstall the driver?
[08:43] <The_Machine> okay
[08:43] <The_Machine> hmm
[08:44] <cvill64-laptop> yes, nvidia and such are built to your kernel, so kernel upgrades require certain drivers to be rebuilt
[08:44] <Sephnroth> is this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WineForAMD64  safe to follow for fiesty fawn?
[08:45] <Sephnroth> it only mentions dapper and edgy at the top
[08:45] <AndrewsMas> if i donw know irc servers names how i can find servers names?
[08:45] <The_Machine> cvill64-laptop, now, these are "restricted" because it comes from Nvidia itself
[08:45] <The_Machine> and isn't as open?
[08:45] <cvill64-laptop> yes
[08:45] <The_Machine> i heard that the 'nvidia' drivers were better than the 'free' drivers
[08:45] <cvill64-laptop> they are
[08:45] <The_Machine> but i'm having a hard time differentiating them..
[08:45] <cvill64-laptop> nv only is 2d supported
[08:45] <The_Machine> ah!
[08:45] <The_Machine> :)
[08:45] <The_Machine> brb
[08:46] <cvill64-laptop> and half the time gets the resolutino correct
[08:46] <The_Machine> going to restart
[08:46] <The_Machine> and see if this is fixed!
[08:46] <sjapbnc5> Hey guys
[08:46] <cvill64-laptop> make sure you changed your xorg to nvidia from nv The_Machine
[08:47] <Haydar`> How to setup evdev
[08:47] <Haydar`> just change protocol to it ?
[08:49] <cvill64-laptop> Haydar`: you trying to set up to use synaptics pad or is this for something else?
[08:49] <Haydar`> For my mouse
[08:49] <Haydar`> MX518
[08:49] <Haydar`> Evdev driver
[08:49] <Haydar`> just change the protocol ?
[08:49] <Haydar`> or do i need to do more
[08:49] <Haydar`> !evdev
[08:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about evdev - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:50] <cvill64-laptop> have you used zeh google for it yet?
[08:50] <Haydar`> nope :P
[08:50] <cvill64-laptop> not sure ubuntu specific
[08:50] <cvill64-laptop> could try chaning it through kcontrol though
[08:51] <cvill64-laptop> or maybe just modprobe for it
[08:51] <Haydar`> modprobe :P
[08:51] <pani_alex> does exist a channel of kubuntu is spanish?
[08:52] <cvill64-laptop> seems you found it pani_alex :P
[08:53] <pani_alex> have found it
[08:53] <pani_alex> thanks
[08:53] <pani_alex> kubuntu-es
[08:53] <pani_alex> ;)
[08:54] <hyper__ch> hiho
[08:56] <cvill64-laptop> anybody that's joined know how to downgrade a package?
[08:57] <hyper_ch> cvill64-laptop: why do you want to do that?
[08:57] <The_Machine> that didn't work
[08:57] <The_Machine> :/
[08:58] <Sephnroth> ok, wine is broken - and its the same issue as my SIGSEGV on bootup i think (prolly related to my nvidia drivers) - screen_restore.py is dying
[08:58] <Sephnroth> anyone got any ideas?
[08:58] <cvill64-laptop> hyper_ch: a bad hal upgrade screwed up automounting
[08:58] <hyper_ch> Sephnroth: remove it and re-install it
[08:59] <Sephnroth> the py?
[08:59] <cvill64-laptop> The_Machine: did you change to using nvidia in your xorg ?
[08:59] <Sephnroth> or wine?
[08:59] <hyper_ch> Sephnroth: maybe both :)
[08:59] <hyper_ch> cvill64-laptop: aptitude can do it somehow
[09:00] <Sephnroth> i just this second installed wine - but i been having problems with crashes since i installed the nvidia drivers (which i dont think are setup right anyway as the only way i can change resolution is with ctrl+alt+num_- etc)
[09:00] <The_Machine> cvill64-laptop, not sure what you mean - i just reinstalled the driver using apt..
[09:00] <PhinnFort> Sephnroth: you should maybe try to run a memory test
[09:00] <The_Machine> but it still gave me the kernel mismatch on boot
[09:00] <The_Machine> like the nvidia driver was stil "taking over"
[09:01] <cvill64-laptop> The_Machine: you need to make sure the driver your xorg is using is now nvidia instead of nv
[09:01] <The_Machine> how?
[09:01] <cvill64-laptop> kernel mismatch?
[09:01] <The_Machine> opening xorg.conf?
[09:01] <The_Machine> yeah..  let me find the error
[09:01] <cvill64-laptop> that's not a xorg prob then :P
[09:01] <The_Machine> no, i don't think it is..
[09:01] <Sephnroth> how can i "uninstall" the nvidia drivers in an attempt to start again?
[09:02] <cvill64-laptop> which way did you do it Sephnroth?
[09:02] <cvill64-laptop> usually just apt-get remove <package>
[09:02] <PhinnFort> !webcam
[09:02] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[09:02] <cvill64-laptop> if you used automatix2, it has automatix2-nvidia-restore
[09:02] <Sephnroth> well whenever in my whole history of ubuntu/kubuntu using apt get to install the nvidia drivers never worked on any of my nvidia cards or boxes
[09:02] <Sephnroth> they installed but
[09:02] <Sephnroth> never did direct acceleration etc
[09:03] <Sephnroth> in this case i downloaded the package from the nvidia website
[09:03] <Sephnroth> installed my sources etc etc
[09:03] <Sephnroth> and then did:
[09:03] <cvill64-laptop> ah, I think it has a flag to downgrade but I'm not sure
[09:03] <Sephnroth> sudo ./nvidia-installer -n -s --x-prefix=/usr/lib64/xorg/ --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:03] <Sephnroth> which i found on some guide
[09:04] <Sephnroth> though i confess to ignorance of what all the switches do.
[09:04] <cvill64-laptop> you could try using "envy" to install the nvidia drivers properly
[09:04] <The_Machine> Sephnroth, sounds like we're kind of in the same boat..
[09:05] <Sephnroth> well, my nvidia drivers are installed... i get 5300 fps about on glxgears.. but kdm doesnt want to start, when i finally get everything started i get a SIGSEGV in restore_screen.py when kde boots
[09:05] <Sephnroth> i cant access monitors and displays in the system config without another SIGSEGV
[09:05] <cvill64-laptop> glxgears is not a good way to see your fps afaik
[09:05] <Sephnroth> and using nvidia x config always asks me to restart X to apply any changes to resolution etc and when i do so the settings go back to the defaults anyway
[09:06] <cvill64-laptop> I used automatix2 for nvidia on an amd64 and I've heard good things about envy
[09:06] <Sephnroth> and if i use 1280x960 as my screen res instead of 1280x1024 then i end up with a scrolly screen i move about with my mouse :(
[09:06] <cvill64-laptop> le sigh...I don't want to make a chroot to use flash :(
[09:06] <Sephnroth> beryl is not working at all but thats another story.
[09:07] <cvill64-laptop> yeah, you need nvidia for proper screen res
[09:07] <Sephnroth> do i have to download automatix from a website or can i apt-get it?
[09:07] <cvill64-laptop> just good it
[09:07] <cvill64-laptop> google it
[09:07] <Sephnroth> ok
[09:07] <cvill64-laptop> it has its own website
[09:07] <cvill64-laptop> and check out envy too
[09:07] <Sephnroth> but i think i should find a way to clean out what i got first
[09:07] <cvill64-laptop> and read the risk
[09:10] <Sephnroth> brb
[09:13] <just-this-time> hi
[09:14] <just-this-time> browsing an backup.tgz with ark is very slow, takes forever
[09:14] <just-this-time> backup.tgz is 1.600 MB or more
[09:14] <timmay> is it possible to setup a printer that it hooked up on someone else's windows box?
[09:15] <just-this-time> timmay: yes
[09:15] <logixoul> ahoy
[09:15] <timmay> how would i set it up? i'm stumped
[09:16] <logixoul> can I expect to get auto updated to kde 3.5.7 (supported and all) in reasonable time, like a week from now?
[09:20] <Skiff> hey guys I was configuring xorg.conf so I stopped KDM, now when I restart it I see the logo but the progress bar doesnt move, after 10 sec it goes into a black screen with only blinking cursor and Ican type away and it doesnt respond to any commands, except only if I ALT+F1 any idea what gives?
[09:21] <NumLk> Have you checked your Xorg.log in /var/log?
[09:21] <NumLk> Look for =E= (error) entries
[09:21] <NumLk> (or =W= warnings)
[09:21] <NumLk> They should be at the foot of the log (most recent entries)
[09:21] <PhinnFort> no, EE for error and WW warning
[09:21] <NumLk> Yeah, sorry
[09:22] <PhinnFort> Skiff: hit ctrl+alt+f1, and log in
[09:22] <PhinnFort> ;)
[09:22] <NumLk> THanks :-)
[09:22] <mhb> hi, what do I have to do to enable Java in konqueror (Kubuntu feisty)?
[09:22] <Skiff> thanks
[09:22] <PhinnFort> !java
[09:22] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[09:23] <PhinnFort> Skiff: then do a "more /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[09:23] <NumLk> Yes
[09:23] <PhinnFort> Skiff: or rather "more /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE"
[09:23] <NumLk> Skiff: Incidentally, what were you trying to alter in your xorg.conf?
[09:23] <Skiff> ok I just copied the backup and loaded kde fine, so now Im gonna sude /etc/init,d/kdm stop   I see the kubuntu logo with black progress bar
[09:24] <NumLk> Have you checked your edits for syntax problems?
[09:24] <Skiff> and then I get to the black screen
[09:24] <Skiff> with cursor
[09:24] <Skiff> and no matter what i type Im there again
[09:24] <Skiff> even though xorg.conf is fine now
[09:24] <Skiff> (I loaded backup)
[09:25] <Skiff> I needed to increase resolution
[09:25] <Skiff> because 1024xwhatever isnt nenough
[09:25] <Skiff> I can run at 1280x1024
[09:25] <Skiff> anyway everytime I stop kdm I get to that blank screen with the cursor
[09:25] <Skiff> which doesnt eccept any commands
[09:25] <Skiff> except alt f1
[09:26] <NumLk> How are you stopping KDM?
[09:27] <PhinnFort> Skiff: you shouldn't stop KDM
[09:27] <PhinnFort> Skiff: try to restart it instead
[09:27] <Skiff> I was doing this basically http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973
[09:27] <Skiff> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup
[09:27] <Skiff> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop (or kdm for KDE)
[09:27] <Skiff>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:27] <Skiff> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start (or kdm for KDE)
[09:27] <Skiff> when I do sudo /etc/init.d/kdm
[09:27] <PhinnFort> Skiff: that's a bit silly
[09:27] <Skiff> stop
[09:28] <Skiff> ok
[09:28] <Skiff> Im all up for suggestions :P
[09:28] <Skiff> all I need is a higher res
[09:28] <PhinnFort> Skiff: just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:28] <NumLk> If you're doing it this way, you shouldn't be doing it from within KDM. Cos thats why you can't complete the steps :-)
[09:28] <PhinnFort> Skiff: and *then*, afterwards, run sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[09:28] <PhinnFort> Skiff: but remember to close all open programs etc, first
[09:28] <Skiff> ok
[09:28] <Skiff> I can do it in the terminal
[09:28] <Skiff> ?
[09:29] <NumLk> Yeah, or do it from a console login so you're not relying on a WM to complete the steps
[09:29] <Skiff> yeah Im doing it from console login now
[09:29] <Skiff> actually
[09:29] <Skiff> thanks
[09:29] <PhinnFort> NumLk: why?
[09:30] <PhinnFort> Skiff: no reason to, since Xorg only reads xorg.conf on startup
[09:31] <just-this-time> skiff
[09:31] <Gobsheene> Hey All
[09:31] <NumLk> PhinnFort: Why what?
[09:31] <just-this-time> skiff may I suggest also  >> sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange  ?
[09:32] <NumLk> If his WM is crapping out when he's trying the stop/start or restart, it'd be less buggy to do it from outwith the WM to ensure bug free upgrading
[09:32] <Skiff> niiicee
[09:32] <Skiff> it worked
[09:32] <Skiff> thank you guys :)
[09:32] <just-this-time> then use it in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg advanced to pick right HRES VRES?
[09:32] <PhinnFort> NumLk: I don't understand your logic
[09:33] <NumLk> So what's not to understand, Phinn?
[09:33] <NumLk> He does a KDM Stop (which I wouldn't do anyway) and can't carry on because his WM has crapped out
[09:33] <PhinnFort> NumLk: why would it be better to edit the file when xorg is not running?
[09:33] <NumLk> Not edit the file, do the stop/start
[09:34] <PhinnFort> NumLk: I told him to edit his file, THEN restart his X
[09:34] <NumLk> From console
[09:34] <NumLk> Yes, I saw that, but I was saying that if he wants to follow the stop/start route, he should do it from console
[09:34] <NumLk> Geez. Try to help someone out and you get a load of abuse.
[09:35] <PhinnFort> sorry, I just didn't understand why you wanted him to do it the hard way;)
[09:35] <PhinnFort> thought maybe I had missed something
[09:35] <duns_s> hi, if i use mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/hda4, it won't destroy /dev/sda1, but resync hda4 to it, or not?
[09:36] <The_Machine> still $*%(^ing stuck
[09:36] <The_Machine> hehe
[09:37] <AcE13> I am trying to play .rm files via kaffeine,,, I see the audio but there is no audio
[09:37] <AcE13> any codecs that I need?
[09:37] <PhinnFort> AcE13: I believe you might need to install realplayer
[09:37] <PhinnFort> AcE13: you don't have to use it, though
[09:37] <PhinnFort> AcE13: but I think it comes with the codecs
[09:37] <timmay> heya phinn
[09:37] <PhinnFort> hey
[09:37] <AcE13> PhinnFort: I dont really like that on my system :/
[09:38] <PhinnFort> AcE13: you could try it in MPlayer  too
[09:38] <AcE13> PhinnFort: oh... I'll try that
[09:39] <xGrantx> how do I install module-assistant?
[09:39] <xGrantx> do I have to compile it?
[09:41] <LjL> xGrantx: what about typing  sudo apt-get install module-assistant  in the terminal?
[09:41] <LjL> you know, that (or Adept, which is equivalent) is the way most software is installed in Ubuntu
[09:41] <xGrantx> I searched the package with Adept but didn't find anything
[09:41] <LjL> so i suppose the specific piece of software you want, module-assistant in this case, is likely to be installed that way
[09:42] <PhinnFort> !find module
[09:42] <LjL> !info module-assistant
[09:42] <ubotu> Found: apache2-mpm-event, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-worker, libgail-gnome-module, libmodule-build-perl (and 104 others)
[09:42] <ubotu> module-assistant: tool to make module package creation easier. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.10 (feisty), package size 86 kB, installed size 428 kB
[09:42] <LjL> !universe > xGrantx    (xGrantx, see the private message from Ubotu)
[09:43] <capou> pour installer gnome ? j'installe le packet gnome-core mais pour le francais ?
[09:43] <xGrantx> so do I have to add a repository?
[09:45] <PhinnFort> !fr | capou
[09:45] <ubotu> capou: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:45] <ninHer> capou: just english :-)
[09:45] <sparrw> I need an ubuntu cd with a kernel with support for efi, specifically the efivars module.  Help?
[09:45] <capou> arf sorry,
[09:46] <LjL> !info language-pack-fr | capou
[09:46] <ubotu> capou: language-pack-fr: translation updates for language French. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.04+20070412 (feisty), package size 2 kB, installed size 36 kB
[09:46] <sephnroth> well, i have working resolution and nvidia drivers now
[09:46] <sephnroth> and i have tracked down the cause of my sigsegv but be darned if i know how to fix it
[09:46] <The_Machine> Sephnroth, fix your problems?
[09:46] <The_Machine> i'm SO stuck!
[09:46] <Sephnroth> alot of them
[09:46] <The_Machine> let me paste my problem again:
[09:47] <Sephnroth> automatix did not do a good job of installing nvidia drivers when i tried that so i uninstalled for second time
[09:47] <Sephnroth> and then used the nvidia installer script by hand
[09:47] <The_Machine> i'm using kubuntu.  I bought an nvidia Geforce 7300 GS and it's installed on my Kubuntu box.  I downloaded and installed the nvidia drivers and when i boot into X I get an error along these lines (not exact):  ERR: API mismatch: NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.9756 but this X module is version 1.0.9755.  I would like to uninstall everything related to what I got from the nvidia site from this box and just go with the repo nvidia drivers.  (or an
[09:47] <The_Machine> other equal but good fix)
[09:47] <The_Machine> nvidia installer from..  the nvidia site?
[09:47] <Sephnroth> yes i can help you here i think
[09:47] <Sephnroth> yes from the site
[09:47] <The_Machine> Sephnroth, i would appreciate it
[09:47] <The_Machine> thats what i have too
[09:47] <LjL> Sephnroth: so, you've used something that breaks system, broke the system, reinstalled, and did something else to break it in a new way? interesting :)
[09:47] <LjL> !automatix
[09:47] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[09:47] <LjL> !nvidia > Sephnroth    (Sephnroth, see the private message from Ubotu)
[09:47] <The_Machine> i was running NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run
[09:47] <The_Machine> and all was fine
[09:48] <Sephnroth> hold on cuz i had that problem and i downloaded a guide that helped me fix it got it printed somewhere
[09:48] <The_Machine> but then i was getting that 'mismatch' error or whatever regarding the kernels
[09:48] <The_Machine> okay
[09:48] <The_Machine> thanks!
[09:48] <Sephnroth> LjL: no
[09:48] <Sephnroth> i first installed drives from apt-get - broke.  no screen.  then i did it using automatix - same problem
[09:48] <Sephnroth> then i did it by hand and it works
[09:48] <Sephnroth> and i tracked down a -seperate- (but related) problem which i need to fix
[09:48] <kuroaoi> Hola
[09:48] <LjL> Sephnroth: except next time there's a kernel update, everything breaks again
[09:49] <The_Machine> yeah
[09:49] <The_Machine> i hear about that
[09:49] <timmay> anyone know a reason why my screen saver isn't working?
[09:49] <The_Machine> so i need to REMOVE the nvidia drivers
[09:49] <The_Machine> i don't know how to do this
[09:49] <The_Machine> as i have the repo drivers installed
[09:49] <The_Machine> but for some reason, they're not being seen or somethign when booting
[09:49] <LjL> i think you both need to install the drivers *from the repositories* and try fixing any problems you have with those, and leave nvidia.com, envy, automatix and stuff *alone*
[09:49] <LjL> file a bug if deemed necessary
[09:49] <The_Machine> as i'm still getting the "API mismatch" stuff
[09:49] <The_Machine> LjL - i have
[09:50] <LjL> The_Machine: what kernel do you have installed?
[09:50] <The_Machine> i want to!  show me how and i will!
[09:50] <Sephnroth> im happy to have it working for now - its a simple thing to fix it if i update the kernal.
[09:50] <LjL> The_Machine: uname -r
[09:50] <Sephnroth> though LjL
[09:50] <Sephnroth> if you could help the machine
[09:50] <Sephnroth> that would be good
[09:50] <The_Machine> 2.6.20-15-generic
[09:50] <The_Machine> this is a work machine :/
[09:50] <The_Machine> and my onboard vid card died so i'm using this one
[09:51] <The_Machine> and it works except for this driver insanity
[09:51] <LjL> The_Machine: that's the right kernel to have. now, you say you have the drivers from nvidia.com also installed... suppose there could be some mess between the two
[09:51] <LjL> The_Machine: install and run "debsums"
[09:51] <The_Machine> LjL, will do that now!
[09:51] <LjL> that will tell you whether you have any non-repositories files on your system
[09:51] <LjL> including leftovers from the nvidia.com driver, hopefully
[09:57] <Sephnroth> lgl:  the problem i have left is a SIGSEGV when KDE loads and another when i go system settings->monitors and displays
[09:57] <The_Machine> wow, this thing is busy..
[09:57] <The_Machine> heh
[09:57] <Sephnroth> but i found that the sigsegv only ocurs when xinerama is enabled
[09:57] <Sephnroth> so theres where the problem is - no idea where to start on fixing it though :(
[09:57] <Sephnroth> my experiance of xinerama is "it works on its own" unfortunately
[09:57] <ajross> hello everyone
[09:57] <Sephnroth> heyas
[09:57] <Sephnroth> mm
[09:57] <Sephnroth> i will try twinview someone on google suggests it
[09:57] <The_Machine> LjL, it is finished
[09:57] <LjL> Sephnroth: you aren't on 64bit?
[09:57] <Sephnroth> yes
[09:57] <LjL> Sephnroth: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sarien/+bug/71308
[09:57] <The_Machine> i see one FAILED, but it ran through so many files, i can't scroll back
[09:57] <Sephnroth> well found Ljl
[09:57] <The_Machine> debsums: can't open xserver-xorg-core file /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so (No such file or directory)
[09:57] <The_Machine> /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so                                FAILED
[09:57] <LjL> The_Machine: ah, sorry that was my fault. run  debsums | grep -v OK  to only see failed ones
[09:57] <Sephnroth> cheers mate, trying twinview (never used this before)
[09:57] <Sephnroth> brb xrestart
[09:57] <LjL> The_Machine: oh well that one looks interesting still though
[09:57] <The_Machine> yeah!
[09:57] <The_Machine> :)  I'm sorry i ever touched nvidia.com
[09:57] <LjL> !find libglx.so
[09:57] <ubotu> File libglx.so found in nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-legacy, nvidia-glx-new, xserver-xorg-core
[09:57] <LjL> The_Machine:  sudo apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-glx xserver-xorg-core 
[09:59] <pvandewyngaerde> how do i install kickoff on feisty
[10:00] <The_Machine> LjL - a couple of questions.  In order to get out of the trap that Automatix is okay - do i simply uninstall it and that's it?  Also, now that i've reinstalled nvidia-glx, etc. do i just restart X?
[10:02] <sephnroth> k twinview works ok, except for the fact my two monitors are now one big one apprantly when it comes to maximising windows - but i guess i put up with that until they fix the xinerama 64bit bug
[10:03] <LjL> The_Machine, uninstalling automatix can be... tricky, however that debsums still helps. if it says everything's ok, it's quite likely that it is
[10:03] <LjL> The_Machine: restart x, yes, but you might actually need to reboot
[10:03] <The_Machine> k
[10:03] <The_Machine> brb.  *Crosses fingers*
[10:03] <The_Machine> might be joining you in bitchx..
[10:03] <The_Machine> which i hate
[10:06] <fdoving> The_Machine: check out irssi.
[10:06] <The_Machine> brb....
[10:06] <sephnroth> kvirc ftw :x
[10:07] <LjL> he meant his X might not restart...
[10:07] <LjL> and i can't say that's terribly unlikely
[10:08] <kuwanger> How do I make an encrypted swapfile?  The instructions I've read seem to focus on swap partitions only.
[10:15] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: you have only swap partitions in linux and not swapfiles
[10:15] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: Um..you can have either or both.
[10:16] <hyper_ch> ok, for what reason should one use a swapfile?
[10:16] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: The same reason one would have to use LVM, to offer more flexability in setting up a system.
[10:17] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: if you encrypt the partiton where you have your swap file it's also encrypted
[10:17] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: Right, but then I'm back to fiddling with partitions, which I was trying to avoid in the first place. :/
[10:18] <hyper_ch> setting up encrypted partitions is simple
[10:18] <kuwanger> Uh huh.  The only partition I have is /
[10:19] <kuwanger> So, what is this "simple" approach to encrypting root?
[10:19] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: well depends on what encryption mechanism you want to use
[10:19] <hyper_ch> I wrote a small tutorial for dm-crypt/LUKS
[10:20] <chris__> i have a slight problem and I was wondering if someone had a couple of minutes to help me out
[10:20] <hyper_ch> !question | chris__
[10:20] <ubotu> chris__: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:20] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: And would this require entering a password at startup?  An encrypted swap[file]  wouldn't.
[10:20] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: well, it's up to you... either enter a pwd at the startup or not having the encrypted device available
[10:21] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: Um, encrypted swap relies upon /dev/random to avoid the need for a password.  So, it's not like it's a "choice" I should have to make.
[10:21] <chris__> i am running a machine that is dual loaded with kubuntu and windows 2k pro I recently updated ubuntu and can no longer access windows. what did i screw up?
[10:22] <hyper_ch> well, I never had encrypted a swap so far
[10:22] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: My prime issue is, once /swap/swapfile is loopbacked to /dev/loop/0 (or whatever), then cryptsetup and ilk can use it like a device just fine.  The main issue is, I don't know how to do that initial /dev/loop/0 "cleanly" within the scope of the the "proper" way to do things.
[10:22] <hyper_ch> chris__: well, there could be a lot of things... maybe you can give some more info - like what error message you get?
[10:23] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: no clue... try dm-crypt channel (if one exists)
[10:23] <chris__> no error message when the app loader comes up windows is no longer on it just 3 instances of ubuntu, their recovery modes and a mem tester
[10:23] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: None with people in them. :/
[10:24] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: had a look at truecrypt?
[10:24] <hyper_ch> chris__: you know what pastebin is?
[10:24] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: Not really.  Does truecrypt do encrypted swapfiles?
[10:24] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: dunno... but you could ask those people in there
[10:25] <chris__> hyper_ch: no..... dont think so
[10:25] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: the one advantage that I see that truecrypt has over dm-crypt is the windoze compatibility... especially when using encrypted usb sticks
[10:25] <hyper_ch> !pastebin | chris__
[10:25] <ubotu> chris__: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:26] <hyper_ch> chris__: and now plz pastebin the output of this command (executed in a terminal):    sudo fdisk -l
[10:26] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: Well, if I were sharing an encrypted swapfile on a FAT32 partiton..but truth is, the swapfile is just a container and is "random" as far as either OS is concerned.  It'd matter more if I wanted to use the swap space for hibernation, but...
[10:26] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: In any case, I can't seem to find a truecrypt channel either.  And I kind of doubt that truecrypt will be any better than dm-crypt for my needs.
[10:26] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: I was just pointing out the one advantage that truecrypt has over dm-crpyt... there might be more but I don't know
[10:27] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: Well, far as I'm aware, you can use free_otfe to use linux encrypted partitions/files in windows.  The big key, of course, is the filesystem.
[10:28] <kuwanger> hyper_ch: Maybe truecrypt has a better GUI.
[10:28] <kuwanger> *shrugs*
[10:28] <hyper_ch> kuwanger: the only reason I know of this advantage is because truecrypt was developped for windoze and then ported to linux
[10:28] <kuwanger> Thanks for trying to help, anyways.
[10:30] <chris__> hyper_ch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22336/
[10:31] <hyper_ch> chris__: and now pastebin:  cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:33] <chris__> hyper_ch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22337/
[10:34] <sephnroth> i went back to xineorama - deciding it was better to put up with the sigsegv on boot >>;
[10:34] <sephnroth> still, hope it gets fixed soon
[10:34] <hyper_ch> chris__: somehow it was commented out... let's fix that
[10:34] <hyper_ch> chris__: open the menu.lst as root:     sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:34] <hyper_ch> chris__: use page-down keys to get to the end of the file
[10:34] <sephnroth> does anyone know if i can stop wine from resizing the virtual desktop and instead to stretch? i wanna run starcraft in a 1024x768 window
[10:34] <sephnroth> but it just resizes to 640x480
[10:35] <PhinnFort> !java
[10:35] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[10:35] <chris__> hyper_ch: ok
[10:36] <hyper_ch> chris__: remove the # from the last few entires:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22338/
[10:37] <chris__> hyper_ch: done
[10:38] <hyper_ch> then press   ctrl-x  to exit nano
[10:38] <hyper_ch> it will ask you whether you want to save the file
[10:38] <hyper_ch> press "y"
[10:38] <hyper_ch> and then hit "enter" to accept the default name
[10:38] <hyper_ch> and now you should have it available
[10:39] <chris__> hyper_ch: ok im gonna reboot if i dont come back on thanx for the help u have been a life saver
[10:39] <hyper_ch> chris__:
[10:40] <hyper_ch> chris__: don't thank too early
[10:43] <chris__> hyper_ch: thanx it worked
[10:44] <hyper_ch> chris__: did it also boot?
[10:44] <chris__> hyper_ch: umm..... let you know in 10 minuets
[10:47] <azzco> I have a slight problem with wine since I upgraded to Feisty, does anyone know if they've done some configuration settings for wine?
[10:49] <audiowork> How does kubuntu do installing server apps?
[10:50] <hyper_ch> audiowork: what apps?
[10:50] <chris__> hyper_ch: loaded up just fine thank you very much
[10:51] <hyper_ch> chris__: your welcome... strange that the upgrade did uncomment the windoze entry
[10:52] <chris__> hyper_ch: im just glad that it is so easy to get help with linux apps.
[10:52] <audiowork> hyper_ch: glftpd, possibly named, squid
[10:52] <audiowork> a few eggdrops, bnc etc
[10:52] <hyper_ch> audiowork: open a terminal:   sudo apt-get install squid bind9
[10:53] <audiowork> i didnt install kubuntu yet
[10:53] <hyper_ch> audiowork: and for the rest, just do it the same way by using their names
[10:53] <audiowork> i was a slackware user years back
[10:53] <chris__> hyper_ch: again thanx
[10:53] <audiowork> not even familair with sudo apt-get command
[10:53] <hyper_ch> audiowork: well, apt-get and aptitude are the command line utilities... difference is that aptitude installs the recommended packages also... while apt-get does only the necessary ones
[10:54] <RawSewage> whats the difference between apt-get and aptitude
[10:54] <RawSewage> oh sorry
[10:54] <RawSewage> nm
[10:54] <hyper_ch> audiowork: or you can use Adept or Synaptic --> those are GUIs which access in the end all the same stuff
[10:54] <pvandewyngaerde> aptitude resolves dependencies
[10:54] <hyper_ch> pvandewyngaerde: apt-get does that also
[10:54] <RawSewage> I didnt read the whole sentence ;-/
[10:54] <audiowork> how deffierent is a debain based system then slackware
[10:55] <audiowork> it seems this kubuntu distro has lots of support and will do what i want
[10:55] <audiowork> but i know my mobo is picky even with m$
[10:55] <RadiantFire> audiowork: the init scripts are completely different, but most other tools are similar
[10:55] <hyper_ch> audiowork: for for Xubuntu ;)
[10:55] <audiowork> X is based on?
[10:55] <RadiantFire> audiowork: read the same
[10:55] <RawSewage> xfce
[10:55] <RadiantFire> audiowork: slackware is probably more solid than a debian system, but at the price of being really old
[10:55] <audiowork> never used
[10:56] <hyper_ch> audiowork: xfce is lightweight... and simple... kde is just too much eye candy and tweaking
[10:56] <hyper_ch> audiowork: at least for me
[10:56] <audiowork> i never used any gui when iw as using slack
[10:56] <RawSewage> Kubuntu is faster than Ubuntu
[10:56] <audiowork> well back in 98 i did
[10:57] <RawSewage> I couldnt even install Ubuntu on my laptop
[10:57] <RawSewage> without the alternate text installer
[10:57] <hyper_ch> RawSewage: "faster" could mean quite a lot
[10:57] <audiowork> i dont want to use gnome
[10:57] <audiowork> well this time around i want to use gui  with kde
[10:57] <audiowork> and run server apps
[10:57] <hyper_ch> audiowork: then try kde or xfce or fluxbox or or or
[10:57] <RadiantFire> Qt is a lil slimmer than gtk in my experience
[10:57] <hyper_ch> audiowork: well, to run a server yu don't need any gui based distro :)
[10:57] <audiowork> i have x1600 ati chipset video card and asus p5wdh mobo
[10:57] <audiowork> hopefully i dont get any hiccups
[10:58] <hyper_ch> audiowork: if you just want to setup servers use the server edition...
[10:58] <RadiantFire> audiowork: try it and see with slack if you want, you boot into a live shell environment
[10:58] <RawSewage> You can always see how it is before installing.  K/Ubuntu uses a Live CD
[10:58] <RawSewage> K/X/Ubuntu
[11:00] <hyper_ch> audiowork: so you want to have a GUI or not?
[11:01] <DaSkreech> how do I know if I have Pyqt bindings installed?
[11:01] <RadiantFire> DaSkreech: they come by default with kubuntu
[11:02] <audiowork> cool
[11:02] <audiowork> hyper_ch: ye si want gui
[11:03] <hyper_ch> audiowork: you want a simple straight forward GUI or a nice one?
[11:03] <coreymon77> guys
[11:03] <audiowork> i only have my desktop these days but need to run some server type apps, id like to avoid microsoft so i figured why not give linux a try again
[11:03] <audiowork> hyper_ch: nice ofcourse
[11:03] <coreymon77> when printing something through openoffice, how do i get it to print in reverse order (as in print the last page first)
[11:03] <audiowork> i remember i had a sweet desktop in 98 with linux :)
[11:03] <hyper_ch> audiowork: then get a Mac ;)
[11:03] <audiowork> what was it litestep afterstep or soemthing
[11:03] <DaSkreech> RadiantFire: ah
[11:04] <audiowork> hyper_ch: simple straight foward would work too heh
[11:04] <hyper_ch> coreymon77: isn't that in the printing options?
[11:04] <coreymon77> nope
[11:04] <audiowork> plus with KDE theres tons of stuff out there make a cool desktop
[11:04] <coreymon77> doesnt seem to be
[11:04] <hyper_ch> audiowork: nah, if you want a nice, good looking GUI (which is not Gnome) then use KDE
[11:04] <hyper_ch> audiowork: I prefer the more simplistic approach - although Ihave plenty of KDE appz running
[11:05] <coreymon77> hyper_ch: oh, nevermind
[11:05] <DaSkreech> Anyone knows a neat way of exporting your current amarok playlist/collection across a network for download/perusal ?
[11:05] <coreymon77> hyper_ch: it is, i just must have missed it the first time
[11:05] <audiowork> hyper_ch: yea no knome please
[11:05] <RadiantFire> DaSkreech: what version do you have?
[11:06] <RadiantFire> DaSkreech: the current version does DAAP export/viewing
[11:06] <animimotus> Hi
[11:06] <audiowork> thats what i was asking aobut server apps. I could always use ubuntu and take off gnome place in kde
[11:06] <hyper_ch> coreymon77: in amarok use ctrl-s to save it as a file?
[11:06] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: : in amarok use ctrl-s to save it as a file?
[11:06] <hyper_ch> coreymon77: sorry, wrong nick
[11:06] <animimotus> I have lost my kdewallet in kwalletmanage, I can create it again
[11:06] <DaSkreech> RadiantFire: Hmm ok How does one access that?
[11:06] <hyper_ch> audiowork: Then go for Kubuntu
[11:06] <animimotus> +r
[11:06] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: hmmm, email
[11:06] <suntzu> hello all. Is it possible to change the default folder of kmail?
[11:06] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: What
[11:07] <RadiantFire> DaSkreech: there is a button on the top right of the collection browser
[11:07] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: ctrl - s --> Save Playlist as....
[11:07] <bozz_> hi guy can anyone help me starting Beryl? I installed it but can't start...
[11:07] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: then you have a file
[11:07] <RadiantFire> DaSkreech: and you can add DAAP Share viewer as an audio device manually
[11:07] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: right. how does someone use that across the network to get to my music?
[11:07] <spectrumpac> hola
[11:07] <animimotus> I have rename the whole ~/.kde but I can add a new one with kcontrol or by a right clic in kwalletmanager
[11:07] <DaSkreech> RadiantFire: Yeah but how do others access it ?
[11:07] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: you want to share the music? or just the playlist?
[11:07] <rothchild> bozz you need to launch beryl-manager
[11:08] <RadiantFire> animimotus: if you go into .kde/share/apps you can delete the wallet files
[11:08] <bozz_> rothchild: yes it is running
[11:08] <RadiantFire> the next login creates a new one
[11:08] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: the music. Amarok has a built playlist exporter?
[11:08] <audiowork> hyper_ch: any page with know hardware issues
[11:08] <rothchild> and then select beryl as the window manager
[11:08] <audiowork> i know ati is the worst which i have
[11:08] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: I use gnump3d for mp3/ogg streaming
[11:08] <bozz_> rothchild I get KDE back :s
[11:08] <animimotus> RadiantFire: ah ok, I must delog/relog me ?
[11:08] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: Was just looking at that
[11:09] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: you need also apache for gnummp3dc
[11:09] <hyper_ch> (I think)
[11:09] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: ok that's too heavy
[11:09] <RadiantFire> animimotus: you might not have to
[11:09] <D1> hello I need help with my  ubuntu
[11:09] <D1> *Kubuntu
[11:09] <DaSkreech> D1: #ubuntu :)
[11:09] <DaSkreech> ok :) ./ then
[11:09] <bozz_> rothchild is there a log file somewhere for beryl?
[11:09] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: not sure about apache... but gnump3d works really well
[11:10] <rothchild> bozz__ sorry i don't know
[11:10] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: got it on my backup server so that I can listen to my music at work
[11:10] <D1> hello I need help with Kubuntu
[11:10] <bozz_> so it should start by selecting beryl there...?
[11:10] <DaSkreech> !ask | D1
[11:10] <ubotu> D1: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:11] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: I just tend to think that a webserver is needed as you then create your custom playlist through a webinterface
[11:11] <audiowork> Any orb type application for linux?
[11:11] <bozz_> does anyone know where Beryl puts its log files?
[11:11] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: most have a lightweight weight server
[11:12] <rothchild> yup I normaly start beryl manager and then right click on the diamond on kicker and select beryl as the window manager
[11:12] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: might be :) just try it :)
[11:12] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: sudo apt-get install gnump3d
[11:12] <hyper_ch> and then http://localhost:8888 (the default port)
[11:12] <D1> my Kubuntu allways show error message SU RETURNED WITH AN ERROR
[11:12] <bozz_> thx rothchild I tried the same
[11:12] <animimotus> RadiantFire: I can't, I test with a relog ;)
[11:12] <animimotus> thx
[11:13] <sayers> is there a simple weather checking app for KDE?
[11:13] <nosrednaekim> kweather.. its a panel appplet
[11:13] <nosrednaekim> and its incluede by default
[11:13] <sayers> how do I start it?
[11:14] <RadiantFire> sayers: liquidweather + superkaramba
[11:14] <rothchild> bozz what have you got in your home/username/.logsandkeys/
[11:14] <rothchild> I can see something called beryl.log in mine
[11:14] <D1> my Kubuntu allways show error message SU RETURNED WITH AN ERROR how I can fix it ???
[11:14] <DaSkreech> D1: doesn't say what error?
[11:14] <aroo> How the heck can I unmount an NFS partition when it keeps saying "device is busy"
[11:14] <Ambulance> Bonjour, j'ai un petit problme pour retrouver ma partition windows
[11:15] <Ambulance> si qq'un pouvait m'aider ce serait gnial!
[11:15] <bozz_> rothchild I don't have such a folder
[11:15] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: From the collection?
[11:15] <RadiantFire> aroo: do you have any programs running that might be using the mount point?
[11:15] <D1> e jebem vam majku
[11:15] <aroo> Not that I can tell
[11:15] <aroo> I've closed everything
[11:16] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: what do you mean "from the collection"?
[11:16] <rothchild> bozz_ ok try using find file and folders in the k start menu and search for *beryl* that'll settle it
[11:16] <RadiantFire> aroo: I think there is a force command
[11:16] <aroo> I'll check the man
[11:16] <audiowork> hows support for all sata drives hdd optical?
[11:16] <RadiantFire> aroo: try the -f flag
[11:17] <AFaith> helli people :)
[11:17] <AFaith> hello*
[11:17] <bozz_> rothchild ok running
[11:17] <RadiantFire> that seems logical
[11:17] <aroo> I did and it spams me with "Device or resource is busy"
[11:17] <AFaith> can anyone of you point me to a tutorial that i can learn how to setup a local email server ?
[11:17] <RadiantFire> try as super user
[11:17] <aroo> I am doing it as su :(
[11:17] <Ambulance> is anyone who speaks french here ?
[11:17] <RadiantFire> oh
[11:17] <RadiantFire> thats really weird
[11:17] <aroo> I know lol
[11:17] <hyper_ch> !fr | Ambulance
[11:17] <sayers> RadiantFire: where is superkaramba?
[11:18] <ubotu> Ambulance: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:18] <D1> whats wrong
[11:18] <Ambulance> merci !
[11:18] <hyper_ch> AFaith: hmm, a local one?
[11:18] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: how does it know where to get the music?
[11:18] <RadiantFire> superkaramba is available in the repositories
[11:18] <animimotus> RadiantFire: it works now, thx
[11:18] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: well, the config defines the folder where it looks for the music... by default it's /var/music
[11:18] <DaSkreech> D1: what command are you using?
[11:18] <RadiantFire> animimotus: coolness
[11:18] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: you will need to alter the /etc/gnump3d/gnump3d.conf  file
[11:18] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: ah where is that? /etc
[11:18] <RadiantFire> sayers: liquidweather you will have to download
[11:18] <DaSkreech> damn ;-(
[11:19] <D1> just show this message
[11:19] <AFaith> yes hyper_ch, a local one. only for my network :)
[11:19] <coreymon77> sayers: in other words, you have to apt it, it doesnt come preinstalled
[11:19] <DaSkreech> D1: without you doing anything?
[11:19] <D1> yes
[11:20] <david2> If I hit apply when I change any kde settings it should save it on the next reboot right?
[11:20] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: check here:   http://www.ubuntugeek.com/streaming-media-server-in-ubuntu-gnulinux-using-gnump3d.html
[11:20] <sayers> coreymon77: i know ;)
[11:20] <D1> and when try programs  for super user
[11:20] <hyper_ch> AFaith: can't help you then
[11:20] <RawSewage> david2, most take effect immediately
[11:20] <david2> It's raining cats and dogs outside
[11:20] <D1> nd when try run origrams for super users
[11:20] <AFaith> hyper_ch: why ?
[11:21] <coreymon77> david2: its boiling hot here
[11:21] <david2> I didnt ask that.. the setting should be there on the next reboot
[11:21] <DaSkreech> D1: can you type sudo ls ?
[11:21] <coreymon77> david2: theres even a smog warning
[11:21] <hyper_ch> I just followed Falco's perfect howto to setup my debian server... it includes also email server... but not sure if that works for local network only
[11:21] <david2> I have to keeo pn resetting stuff
[11:21] <RawSewage> david2, oh
[11:21] <D1> no
[11:21] <RawSewage> btw, I really think they need to make Kubuntu so it starts with an EMPTY session on reboot
[11:22] <AFaith> hyper_ch: the only difference between a local email server and a full-internet-availlble one it's that i don't have a qualified domain name
[11:22] <coreymon77> RawSewage: i believe thats a setable option
[11:22] <hyper_ch> http://www.howtoforge.com --> setup of an server to act as ISP
[11:22] <RawSewage> coreymon77, it is.  but it should be like that by default
[11:22] <coreymon77> why
[11:22] <coreymon77> i like it
[11:22] <AFaith> hyper_ch: i've already seen those pages
[11:23] <RawSewage> because you gain baggage over time
[11:23] <coreymon77> RawSewage: if you dont want it, you can set it
[11:23] <RawSewage> and your system starts getting slower and slower
[11:23] <DaSkreech> D1: can you sudo su ?
[11:23] <RawSewage> and the average user doesnt know why their system is getting slower and slower
[11:23] <RawSewage> and then they get upset, and switch to Ubuntu
[11:23] <D1> no beacuse system restart after message
[11:23] <coreymon77> RawSewage: just close programs when you reboot
[11:23] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: you saw the URL?
[11:23] <RawSewage> Another thing:  Does anyone reallly use 1-click?
[11:24] <D1> I`m now using Feisty Fawn  ubuntu
[11:24] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: Yeah but I think I killed the service
[11:24] <RawSewage> coreymon77,  there's hidden things too
[11:24] <coreymon77> RawSewage: yup
[11:24] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: what did you do?
[11:24] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: :-)
[11:24] <coreymon77> RawSewage: i do
[11:24] <RawSewage> coreymon77, runaway processes
[11:24] <rothchild> RawSewage: me too
[11:25] <RawSewage> 1-clicik?
[11:25] <RawSewage> I bet most people change it to 2-click
[11:25] <RawSewage> maybe they should have a poll
[11:26] <jarn> How do I tell if my USB ports are in use?
[11:26] <RawSewage> or ask Linus Torvalds what settings he uses
[11:26] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: what's not working anymore?
[11:27] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: Fixed
[11:27] <bruno__> hello?
[11:27] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: does it have an integrated webserver?
[11:27] <hyper_ch> hello bruno__
[11:28] <bruno__> so yeah kubuntu kinda kicks ass
[11:28] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: Si :-)
[11:28] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: good to know :)
[11:28] <Graham> Hey, Kopete is being really shitty, how can I reset it's config to when it was installed?
[11:28] <pastor> Hi ppl.
[11:28] <hyper_ch> bruno__: have you tried Xubuntu yet? ^^
[11:29] <DaSkreech> Graham: aptitude purge kopete
[11:29] <Graham> Didn't work.
[11:29] <hyper_ch> hi pastor
[11:29] <pastor> I have a wireless question for someone...
[11:29] <pastor> any takers?
[11:29] <hyper_ch> !question | pastor
[11:29] <ubotu> pastor: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:29] <Graham> pastor: Just ask.
[11:29] <bruno__> no, what exactly is xubuntu? though I have heard of it
[11:29] <Graham> I know wireless like... fairly well.
[11:29] <hyper_ch> bruno__: same as ubuntu or kubuntu just with a different Desktop Environment :)
[11:30] <pastor> ok, I have my wireless set up, and I can see the strong signal, but it won't connect. Is there something I am missing?
[11:30] <hyper_ch> bruno__: if you don't want all that eye candy stuff or have an older machine then you want to check out Xubuntu :)
[11:30] <bruno__> oh nice! well I actually run kubuntu in the gnome experience, but use a lot of kde apps. i might give xubuntu a spin, who know?
[11:30] <hyper_ch> pastor: encrypted network?
[11:30] <pastor> no
[11:30] <hyper_ch> bruno__: well, I'm using Xubuntu and plenty of kde apps :)
[11:30] <pastor> no encryption
[11:30] <Graham> pastor: Join #lf_flood
[11:31] <bruno__> sweet I might give it a run. for some reason I really like kde apps, but not the whole desktop environs
[11:32] <hyper_ch> bruno__: same here... I run konversation, kopete, amarok, konqueror, kate, kontact, ktorrent all in xubuntu :)
[11:32] <RawSewage> hyper_ch, is it faster than running it in Kubuntu
[11:32] <hyper_ch> RawSewage: no clue...
[11:33] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running Xfce 4.4.0, CPU: AMD Sempron 2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), HD: 288/897GB, RAM: 996/1010MB, 152 proc's, 1.3d up
[11:33] <bruno__> sweet, kate and kopete rock my socks off
[11:33] <sayers> How do I configure Amarok with Devices?
[11:33] <randyzlinux> hi
[11:33] <RawSewage> I use Kate-Lite  i.e.  KWrite
[11:34] <hyper_ch> !info kwrite
[11:34] <ubotu> Package kwrite does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:34] <randyzlinux> just installed kubuntu
[11:34] <RawSewage> !pastebin
[11:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:34] <hyper_ch> RawSewage: what is kwrite?
[11:35] <hyper_ch> bruno__: I like konqueror/kate combo for coding my stuff
[11:35] <RawSewage> hyper_ch, it's in the Kate directory, but it's lighter
[11:35] <bruno__> why konqueror exactly, isn't that just a web browser?
[11:35] <audiowork> will my NTFS drives be seen and useable after install?
[11:35] <DaSkreech> Bye all
[11:36] <hyper_ch> RawSewage: does it have color highlighting and code-folding?
[11:36] <hyper_ch> bruno__: konqueror for me is rather a system explorer.... it's a multi-pane file manager
[11:36] <RawSewage> it has color highlighting.  by folding , do you mean collapsing brackets
[11:36] <hyper_ch> RawSewage: yes
[11:37] <RawSewage> hyper_ch, yes, it has that
[11:37] <Ober0ne> hello
[11:37] <hyper_ch> RawSewage: and regex?
[11:37] <Ober0ne> just wondering how to change folder permissions
[11:37] <RawSewage> hyper_ch, you can just try it.  it's already installed
[11:37] <RawSewage> hyper_ch, kwrite
[11:37] <RawSewage> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KWrite
[11:38] <coreymon77> audiowork: in kubuntu you mean?
[11:38] <hyper_ch> so what's teh difference between kate and kwrite?
[11:38] <HymnToLife> hyper_ch, why don't you just see for yourself ?
[11:38] <coreymon77> hyper_ch: kinda like the diff between notepad and wordpad in doze
[11:38] <RawSewage> hyper_ch, Kwritehas less features
[11:38] <HymnToLife> basically, Kate has some features kwrite doesn't
[11:39] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: are you the same HymnToLife in ubuntuforums.org?
[11:39] <HymnToLife> like having more than one file opened in the same window, or sessions management
[11:39] <randyzlinux> do they make a verion of Audacity or Paltalk for linux?
[11:39] <HymnToLife> hyper_ch, yes
[11:39] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: the one with the cute picture and the incredible high bean count :)
[11:39] <RawSewage> randyzlinux, Audacity is basically made for Linux
[11:39] <RawSewage> it uses ALSA
[11:39] <HymnToLife> hyper_ch, that's the one :p
[11:40] <randyzlinux> what about  paltalk?
[11:40] <hyper_ch> well, thx for telling differences between kate and kwrite... Ineed multi-session support so it's kate then
[11:40] <RawSewage> randyzlinux, idk
[11:40] <coreymon77> randyzlinux: and paltalk should work with wine, you just need to install ies4linux
[11:40] <HymnToLife> only Kate is installed by default in Kubuntu IIRC
[11:41] <HymnToLife> Kwrite and Kedit aren't
[11:41] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: since you are French what is the correct why of naming/spelling that beer/soda mix?  Panache ou panach?
[11:41] <HymnToLife> hyper_ch, panach
[11:41] <RawSewage> HymnToLife, Kwrite is
[11:41] <audiowork> coreymon77> audiowork: in kubuntu you mean? < yes
[11:41] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: merci beaucoup ma chre
[11:42] <randyzlinux> where can i get ies4linux?
[11:42] <RawSewage> HymnToLife, at least it is in Feisty
[11:42] <coreymon77> audiowork: with a bit of setup,yes
[11:42] <HymnToLife> I'll take your word for it, I havent installed Kubuntu in a while
[11:42] <audiowork> as long as my sata burner works and i can burn my isos and .dvd DL files im ok
[11:42] <coreymon77> randyzlinux: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Installation
[11:42] <randyzlinux> tyvm for your help
[11:43] <coreymon77> randyzlinux: no problem, thats what we are here for
[11:43] <meloso> QUESTION does Kubunto comes with any security packages???
[11:43] <randyzlinux> how do i quit this chat
[11:43] <coreymon77> do you want to quit the program, or just the room?
[11:44] <randyzlinux> program
[11:44] <HymnToLife> meloso, define "security packages"
[11:44] <coreymon77> the "x" icon, top right corner of the program window
[11:44] <randyzlinux> ok ty
[11:44] <HymnToLife> randyzlinux, click the X at the upper right corner ?
[11:44] <OlliK> BERYL
[11:44] <meloso> as an ip sniffers etc...
[11:45] <coreymon77> OlliK: i dont think there is any reason to be yelling here
[11:45] <coreymon77> OlliK: lower case works just fine
[11:45] <hyper_ch> hmm, going to bed or watching Curse of the Golden Flower...
[11:45] <coreymon77> meloso: i believe so
[11:46] <OlliK> coreymon77: Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to yell. meloso seems to be yelling as well...
[11:46] <coreymon77> meloso: apt is your friend
[11:46] <hudsy> hi
[11:46] <coreymon77> meloso: you too, no need for caps
[11:46] <OlliK> hudsy: Hi!
[11:46] <hudsy> I have a little problem
[11:46] <HymnToLife> hudsy, state it, then ;)
[11:46] <OlliK> hudsy: Go ahead.. what kind of problem is it?
[11:46] <coreymon77> !ask | hudsy
[11:46] <ubotu> hudsy: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:46] <HymnToLife> we can't help you if you don't
[11:47] <RawSewage> I can.  Im a 4400
[11:47] <hudsy> in amsn 0.97 i cant connect i need to download smthig of tsl.sf.net but i dont know wat
[11:47] <OlliK> hudsy: It's ok to ask directly, don't worry of it being inpolite, it's easier for everyone if question comes directly. :)
[11:47] <HymnToLife> dthacker, define "little answers" ?
[11:47] <hudsy> ok
[11:47] <RawSewage> he wants to know about sound
[11:48] <dthacker> HymnToLife: the kind Ubotu gives :)
[11:48] <HymnToLife> dthacker, U-bot-u is a *bot*, don't expect it to be smart ;)
[11:49] <HymnToLife> I cannot remember the birthdays of the whole channel :p
[11:50] <Ambulance> could you give me again the french channel plz ???
[11:50] <HymnToLife> !fr
[11:50] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:50] <Ambulance> merci !
[11:50] <HymnToLife> I wonder if I should go there sometimes
[11:50] <HymnToLife> just for the fun of it :p
[11:50] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: why?
[11:50] <jarn> Is there a way to see if my USB ports are in use? Not just have stuff connected, but actually in use? Like sendingreceiving data?
[11:50] <jarn> sending/receiving, that is.
[11:51] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: Franais est vraiment difficile  comprendre
[11:51] <HymnToLife> true
[11:51] <HymnToLife> I'm glad I don't have to learn it as second language :p
[11:51] <andres__> Oh ok thanks.. ALso another questions is there a big difference between Ubunto and Kubontu OS?
[11:51] <HymnToLife> (but I learn German, which is almost as hard...)
[11:51] <jack> hi everybody
[11:52] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: especialment si "ton vis--vis" est une belle femme... c'est difficile  concentrer de quoi elle parle parce que tu admires sa beaut *g*
[11:52] <phisrow> Andres: virtually no difference. It is just a matter of GNOME or KDE being installed by default.
[11:52] <dthacker> I'm attempting to use the newexchange connection method of Kontact to connect to an Exchange server.  I'm using a webdavs URL to connect.  The webdavs URL works in konqueror.  when I hit the "syncronize folders" button, I get no feedback.  Is there a way to force it into superdebug mode?
[11:52] <HymnToLife> andres__, nothing much, just the software that's installed by default in them, the "core" is the same
[11:52] <jack> i have a little question: can someone please tell me how to rebuild the xorg.conf?
[11:52] <phisrow> Both systems use the same packages and repos.
[11:52] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: hmmm, je pense qu'allemand n'est pas si difficle :)
[11:52] <hyper_ch> jack: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:53] <jack> hyper_ch: thx!!!
[11:53] <HymnToLife> I guess we're going a bit offtopic here :p
[11:53] <andres__> phsrow: so if i watch a video tutorial of ubunto would it matter when using kubunto ?
[11:53] <HymnToLife> andres__, if it uses the GUI, yes
[11:54] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: isn't ubuntu about cultural understanding? ;) well, I don't wanna know how many mistakes that long phrase has that I wrote in french - or better tried to write
[11:54] <HymnToLife> a few, but it was still pefectly understandable
[11:55] <andres__> oh ok .. that makes more sence
[11:55] <hyper_ch> andres__: what kind of tutorial?
[11:56] <andres__> well im new to linux so im trying to get familiar with the commands. So i saw that UBUNTU has a dvd avaliable
[11:56] <hyper_ch> HymnToLife: it's been a long time since I had french at school and since I was in a mixed battery in the armed forces and visiting Reasmey 1-2 weeks per year just doesn't help improving my french a lot
[11:56] <hyper_ch> andres__: well, what do you try to achieve?
[11:56] <andres__> So i was wondering if I get that would help me at all  while i use KUBUNTU
[11:57] <phisrow> andres: Some of the user interface stuff would be different, as KDE and GNOME use different programs by default.
[11:57] <phisrow> The introduction to Linux concepts would probably carry reasonably well.
[11:57] <phisrow> And you can always install GNOME programs on KDE and vice versa.
[11:57] <hyper_ch> andres__: well, I think the dvd is only needed if you have no or a very slow internet access... you see, most software for linux you get through repositories on the net... and the DVD just has plenty of them on it
[11:58] <andres__> Well i just want to get familiar with linux Since i want to go for network security at College
[11:58] <Ace2016> phisrow: yes you can run gnome apps in kde and you can run kde apps in gnome
[11:59] <hyper_ch> andres__: just go ahead and install it... there are some differences in the desktop and default applications between ubuntu / kubuntu / xubuntu but the logic behind is for all the same
[11:59] <alxj> hi
[12:00] <Ace2016> hi
[12:00] <alxj> i have a liittle problem with kubuntu
[12:00] <hyper_ch> !question | alxj
[12:00] <ubotu> alxj: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:01] <alxj> when i copy or delete a file, i have un dialog box
[12:01] <alxj> it ok, but i dont have a progress bar
[12:01] <alxj> see my snapshot http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=122232
[12:01] <Andres1__> So what would be the best way to get familiar with linux while using kubuntu?
[12:02] <timmy> in my view
[12:02] <timmy> try searching ubuntu guides
[12:02] <coreymon77> Andres1__: by using it
[12:02] <hyper_ch> Andres1__: by using it
[12:02] <dthacker> Andres1__: pick a task that you want to do regularly, and then do that task
[12:02] <coreymon77> Andres1__: same way you get familliar with anything
[12:02] <Ace2016> Andres1__: installing gentoo next to it, kubuntu is well polished and there are few things the user has to do by himself
[12:02] <alxj> i have the same /home/me/.kde/config since long time
[12:02] <hyper_ch> alxj: it says how it progresses
[12:03] <hyper_ch> alxj: I don't see what your problem is
[12:03] <alxj> i tried to delete /home/me/.kde/config/kdeglobal  but i dont the progressbar
[12:03] <coreymon77> Andres1__: just go along with what you normally do, but instead of using windoze (i assume that is what os you just came fom) use linux
[12:03] <alxj> i want to have a progresse as when you are donloading something with firefox
[12:03] <alxj>  - un progressbar -
[12:04] <kubuntian> suppose that an application is HIDDENLY using a device like /dev/dsp for audio output
[12:04] <Ace2016> alxj: are you saying that the program used to have a progress bar and now it doesn't and you want it back? is this just that app or every app?
[12:04] <kubuntian> is there a way of killing all the applications that are keeping taht resource busy?
[12:04] <alxj> i would like to have something like that http://www.layangan.com/asfik/assignments/imk/progress.png
[12:05] <hyper_ch> alxj: then alter your skin/version... as you don't have the original one... I guess it's because of that that it displays it in %
[12:05] <Ace2016> what does >boite de dialogue de progression< mean?
[12:06] <alxj> dialog box of progressing
[12:06] <Ace2016> is that kget?
[12:07] <alxj> no installed
[12:07] <alxj> its juste coping a file form konqueror to my desktop
[12:07] <alxj> sorry: it's copiing a file from konqueror to my desktop
[12:07] <alxj> :)
[12:08] <Ace2016> it looks cool i want it like that
[12:08] <alxj> me no :)
[12:08] <dthacker> Does Kubuntu have packages for KDE 3.5.7 yet?  The Kontact folks are recommending an upgrade.
[12:08] <RadiantFire> yes it does
[12:08] <phisrow> dthacker: I think the packages came out today.
[12:08] <RawSewage> is it safe to upgrade to 3.5.7
[12:08] <phisrow> You need to enable the repository manually.
[12:08] <alxj> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[12:08] <phisrow> Check the kubuntu.org page for a bit about it.
[12:08] <dthacker> ooo, bleeding edge.   How brave do I feel?
[12:09] <RawSewage> forget that
[12:09] <RawSewage> I tried KDE4 alpha and ended up reformatting/reinstalling
[12:09] <RadiantFire> oh no
[12:09] <dthacker> KDE4 is another world RawSewage
[12:09] <hyper_ch> doesn't feisty use kde4?
[12:09] <RawSewage> KDE4 isnt out yet
[12:09] <RawSewage> it's only in alpha stage
[12:10] <RawSewage> it's coming out end of October, I believe
[12:10] <hyper_ch> oh... I thought they wanted to implement kde 4 in feisty
[12:10] <dthacker> hyper_ch: no, the best way to play with KDE4 is to download one of the Live CD's
[12:10] <RadiantFire> thats what we like virtual machines for
[12:10] <dthacker> or ^^^^^^
[12:10] <hyper_ch> dthacker: I can live without kde ^^
[12:10] <RawSewage> Now I know what Alpha means
[12:10] <hyper_ch> RawSewage: Alpha is the beginning
[12:11] <alxj> so how to config Progress Dialogs , it the question..
[12:12] <RawSewage> lol
[12:12] <RawSewage> dthacker, do you have one
[12:13] <dthacker> thank you riddell and companions
[12:13] <dthacker> RawSewage: oh yeah.  I've got one....or two....
[12:13] <_defcon> where do I find the setting to double click to open a folder or 1 click
[12:14] <_defcon> kde seems very disorganized, guess I gotta do that myself
[12:14] <_defcon> lol
[12:14] <_defcon> once organized=will rock
[12:14] <RadiantFire> _defcon: everyone says its disorganized, I disagree
[12:14] <_defcon> RadiantFire, you can organize it yourself
[12:14] <_defcon> thats why it isnt
[12:14] <_defcon> the menu's arent in abc order
[12:14] <RadiantFire> _defcon: true, but I've never had to, and things do what I tell them to generally