[12:17] surak: do be aware that most of how he'll be using launchpad will be in the open. [12:18] LarstiQ : I understand. [12:23] bac, LarstiQ, [12:23] thanks for your attention. Good night! [12:23] ciao! [12:23] good night surak === surak [n=surak@87.219.201.84] has left #launchpad [] === tokj [n=tk@151.82.4.173] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad [12:31] Hi, Im trying to sign the code of conduct, however I have having a problem with the OpenPGP keys part [12:31] I think that I have sent the key to keyserver.ubuntu.com, but that was 2 hours ago [12:32] however I get an error handling request when querying the ubuntu key server === laszlok [n=laszlo@CABLE-72-53-73-3.cia.com] has joined #launchpad [12:32] hey launchpad people, is there anyway to offer to mentor *all* bugs in my project (without clicking them one by one)? [12:34] how about an "Offer to mentor for this project" which would apply to everything, and then I can figure out the details when someone wants to be mentored shows up === Prognatus__ [n=bjorn@2.80-203-143.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad [01:00] laszlok, not at the moment unfortunately [01:01] but you can add words to that effect to the project description [01:02] matt001, if you still have that problem, perhaps you could ask a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad [01:02] so people can help you solve it when they're awake [01:03] k thanks mpt === laszlok [n=laszlo@CABLE-72-53-73-3.cia.com] has left #launchpad ["Konversation] [01:03] thank you [01:04] kiko-afk, that idea of yours for letting people enter why they're leaving Launchpad is brilliant === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44540.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad === Sarah [n=user@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #launchpad === tokj_ [n=tk@151.82.6.80] has joined #launchpad === tokj_ is now known as tokj === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@194.225.70.226] has joined #launchpad === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44466.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === OgMaciel [n=omaciel@ubuntu/member/gnukemist] has joined #launchpad [02:04] Hi, is there an offical kubuntu project in launchpad? [02:04] matt001: it's ubuntu [02:05] specifically, Kubuntu comes from the ubuntu software repos so most of the bug tracking, repo management, etc. is done in the same place === merriam_ [n=merriam@85-211-245-180.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === Prognatus__ [n=bjorn@2.80-203-143.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad [02:23] I see, I've found the kubuntu Users group that I have joined, thank you [02:58] mpt, thanks! [02:58] out for dinner, bbiab === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad [02:59] kiko-afk: great pictures [03:00] kiko-afk: (of UDS) [03:00] ooh, where? [03:02] ajmitch: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kikidonk/499593693/in/set-72157600217895060/ [03:04] heh, kikidonk != kiko [03:04] someone posted it in -sevilla earlier :P [03:04] so i've got no idea who kikodonk is, if it's not kiko [03:05] another mad frenchman, telepathy hacker [03:05] ahhh.... [03:06] which might explain some more of the gnome-type people pictures. [03:06] okay, ignore what i said then. [03:06] belgian, sorry === zwn1 is now known as farhang === cprov is now known as cprov-zZz === mwh_ [n=mwh@62-31-157-102.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === mholthaus [n=mholthau@64.177.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad === mwhudson [n=mwh@62-31-157-102.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === niemeyer_ [n=niemeyer@200.103.136.168] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@194.225.70.226] has joined #launchpad === fernando1 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-187b347d477d3aee] has joined #launchpad === Prognatus_ [n=bjorn@2.80-203-143.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.174.62] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.211.168.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@217.218.163.253] has joined #launchpad === fernando1 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-fdcf7430d69ca62d] has joined #launchpad === joejaxx [i=joejaxx@alpha.joejaxx.net] has joined #launchpad === Znarl [n=znarl@jewel.roundabout.org] has joined #launchpad === jkakar [n=jkakar@204-174-36-45.dhcp802.dsl.ucc-net.ca] has joined #launchpad === AlexLatchford [n=alex@82-44-193-109.cable.ubr07.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.17.8.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === allenap [n=gavin@212.233.37.33] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@host-87-74-54-146.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #launchpad === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@217.218.163.253] has joined #launchpad === carlos_ [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #launchpad [09:12] morning === carlos_ is now known as carlos === Prognatus__ [n=bjorn@2.80-203-143.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad === adeuring [n=abel@Fc1d4.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@217.218.163.253] has joined #launchpad === Prognatus_ [n=bjorn@2.80-203-143.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@194.225.70.226] has joined #launchpad === dneary [n=dneary@195.70.5.235] has joined #launchpad === mwh_ is now known as mwh === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad === pochu [n=emilio@94.Red-88-3-50.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad [10:02] Hi there! Is there any problem with librarian.lp.net? It doesn't load here, but every other lp page opens fine. === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad [10:07] launchpad seems to have problems [10:07] it's sloooooow === bigjools [n=ed@canonical/launchpad/bigjools] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@194.225.70.226] has joined #launchpad [10:08] And it's giving proxy errors for librarian.lp.net [10:10] Works now :) === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-128-178.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === mholthaus_ [n=mholthau@johnny33.dersbach.ch] has joined #launchpad === jonathank [n=jonathan@client-82-26-66-94.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #launchpad === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === Prognatus__ [n=bjorn@2.80-203-143.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad === AlexLatchford [n=alex@82-44-193-109.cable.ubr07.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === rdale [n=rdale@158.Red-88-2-176.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-145.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #launchpad === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === Prognatus__ [n=bjorn@2.80-203-143.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad === jcs [n=jcspray@dot1x-135.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #launchpad === Prognatus_ [n=bjorn@2.80-203-143.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad === kiko-afk is now known as kiko === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad === Prognatus__ [n=bjorn@2.80-203-143.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44466.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === habeeb [n=habeeb@athedsl-110364.home.otenet.gr] has joined #launchpad === kiko is now known as kiko-afk === Kittisak [n=Kittisak@ppp-124.121.160.22.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === Kittisak [n=Kittisak@ppp-124.121.160.22.revip2.asianet.co.th] has left #launchpad ["Kopete] === Prognatus_ [n=bjorn@2.80-203-143.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad [01:57] bac, was my feedback on the download page design useful? [01:57] mpt: yes, in parts, thank you. [01:58] i don't think i'd given you complete context, so some of what you suggested wasn't applicable [01:58] i'm open to further improvements, of course === matsubara [n=matsubar@canonical/launchpad/matsubara] has joined #launchpad === fernando1 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-c6b9ba655bce732d] has joined #launchpad === carlos -> lunch === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad === salgado [n=salgado@canonical/launchpad/salgado] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad [02:21] moin [02:25] is there any way to remove a deactivated member of a team, e.g. it is no longer listed on +members? === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200.103.136.168] has joined #launchpad [02:28] TeTeT, not yet, but since the status is deactivated (s)he is not actually a member [02:28] I have a branch which make that clearer by listing inactive members as "Former members" [02:28] salgado: ok, so it's safe to leave them alone [02:28] yep, it is === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad === bigjools [n=ed@canonical/launchpad/bigjools] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@194.225.70.226] has joined #launchpad [02:59] how do I add a milestone for a project? [03:02] jamesh: are you still allocating reviews? I get back next week. [03:02] Spads: you should be back to normal now in terms of reviews - you still have a holiday listed [03:03] Spads: sorry [03:03] spiv: ^ meant you [03:03] salgado: can I ask for an insta-review? [03:03] lifeless, sure. can it be in 15 minutes? [03:04] kk === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable040.144-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [03:08] let me rephrase my question: how do I get to +milestones without entering the URL manually? === Prognatus__ [n=bjorn@2.80-203-143.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad === svaksha [n=svaksha@unaffiliated/svaksha] has joined #launchpad [03:13] TeTeT, the top-level menu has an item which links to milestones === bigjools-afk [n=ed@82-71-93-254.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [03:14] TeTeT, the "Active milestones" portlet also has a link to that page === bigjools-afk is now known as bigjools [03:16] salgado: the top-level as in overview/code/bugs/...? === bigjools [n=ed@canonical/launchpad/bigjools] has joined #launchpad [03:17] TeTeT, no, that's not a menu. the (well hidden?) menu is displayed when you hover the mouse over the breadcrumbs on the top of the page [03:18] salgado: oerks, thanks [03:18] salgado: so I see there is no milestone [03:19] I go to blueprints, select one and want to register it's implementation as milestone, but this does not seem to be the right place === ddaa [n=david@canonical/launchpad/ddaa] has joined #launchpad === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@194.225.70.226] has joined #launchpad === provetza [n=provetza@195.251.166.191] has joined #launchpad === kiko-afk is now known as kiko === Rinchen [n=joey@canonical/launchpad/rinchen] has joined #launchpad === OgMaciel [n=omaciel@ubuntu/member/gnukemist] has joined #launchpad [03:56] OgMaciel, congrats dude. [03:57] thanks Rinchen [03:57] :) [03:57] I don't think the developer meeting date in the topic is right. Maybe I'm a week late. [03:57] hello hello === ..[topic/#launchpad:Rinchen] : Launchpad 1.0, https://launchpad.net/ | Next developer meeting: Thu 24 May 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 [03:57] hi [03:57] am I in the right place? === jtv [n=jtv@125-24-220-125.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #launchpad [03:58] statik: yeah, you just picked the wrong time ;) [03:58] statik, feeling better? === statik runs for his life [03:58] Rinchen: yes, thanks [03:58] danilos: I don't see the "filter option for 'new suggestions'" bug [03:59] carlos: I'd spec that up, I don't think there's a bug... or do you think a bug is enough? [03:59] statik, great. Cool tool alert: http://us.kensington.com/html/12632.html [04:00] statik - fits inside your pcmcia slot :-) [04:00] danilos: a bug should be enough, it's not so complex, is it? [04:00] carlos: no, ok [04:00] Rinchen: neat! will it work with ekiga, or does it need special software on the PC? [04:00] statik, I'll let you know when it arrives next week. :-) Just Stephane's program should do the trick. [04:00] SteveA: meeting time? [04:01] welcome to this week's Launchpad Developers' meeting! === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #launchpad [04:01] For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating launchpad development [04:01] clap clap [04:01] who is here today? [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:01] me [04:02] me [04:02] mwhudson: ? [04:02] thanks [04:02] 20-odd people [04:02] me [04:02] Yes, we're very odd [04:02] Rinchen: ? [04:02] me [04:02] so you are, thanks === kiko throws SteveA a lunette [04:03] I'm seeing double. [04:03] with so many people, I'd like to ask that people look out for their team-mates at these meetings [04:03] be responsible for seeing that your team-mates are here === kiko looks for his partner in crime [04:03] lifeless apologizes, he will be 20 min late. [04:03] on to het agenda [04:03] ack === barry pokes barry: hey! pay attention! [04:03] um, the agenda. getting a bit dutch there [04:03] :-) [04:04] mrevell sends apologies -- on vacation [04:04] == Agenda == [04:04] * Roll call [04:04] * Agenda [04:04] * Next meeting [04:04] * Actions from last meeting [04:04] * Oops report (Matsubara) [04:04] * Bug report ([wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] ) [04:04] * Bug tags [04:04] * Production update (mthaddon) [04:04] * DB update (stub) [04:04] * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] ) [04:04] ---- [04:04] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [04:04] * Launchpad buzz report (mrevell) [04:04] * Encouraging more pre-implementation phone calls (barry) [04:04] * (other items) [04:04] ---- [04:04] * Team three sentences ([wiki:ProjectTeams Team List] ) [04:04] [04:04] I have a note about the meeting agenda. When you add items to the meeting agenda, please preserve the line: [04:04] jamesh: ping? [04:04] * your item (name) [04:04] rather than replacing it with your proposed item [04:05] * Next meeting [04:05] SteveA: oops [04:05] pong [04:05] same time next week [04:05] yes [04:05] who will have difficulty attending? [04:05] matsubara: sorry, wasn't watching the clock [04:05] ok [04:05] * Actions from last meeting [04:06] * SteveA to mail a formal announcement to the list about monthly releases [04:06] * stub to rebuild `TeamParticipation` table [04:06] I sent the announcement [04:06] was it agreed to rebuild that table? I don't remember that [04:06] Problem sorted without rebuilding [04:06] ok, thanks === stu1 is now known as stub [04:06] * OOPS report from matsubara [04:06] salgado, matsubara declared it to be a MeetingAction. [04:07] mpt, yes I followed up with stub after the meeting and stub solved it without rebuilding. [04:07] great [04:07] thanks stub for sorting that out [04:07] thanks BjornT for fixing bug 102862. [04:07] Launchpad bug 102862 in malone "OOPS when trying to file a bug from a product series page" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102862 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt) [04:07] Today's oops report is about bug 86361 [04:08] Launchpad bug 86361 in malone "Search for duplicate and similar bugs on +filebug sometimes timeout" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86361 - Assigned to Stuart Bishop (stub) [04:08] stub, bug 86361 is assigned to you. I added a couple of more recent OOPSes and increased the importance. Could you take a look? Francis suggested in the report that some indexes might help. [04:08] I'll have a look [04:09] thanks stub [04:09] I'm still checking some complains from people trying to file bugs using apport and getting a 500 internal server error. [04:09] apart from that, I'm done here SteveA [04:09] ok [04:10] on the subject of oopses, I want to check, is the librarian connected to our oops infrastructure? [04:10] as in, if the librarian has a problem, do we get an oops report? [04:10] there's a bug open about it. let me dig the number [04:10] SteveA: No [04:11] New bug: #116619 in blueprint "Oops adding blueprint to a product series" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116619 [04:11] ok. I'd like to see this done in for the next release, if that's possible. [04:11] bug 86185? [04:11] Launchpad bug 86185 in launchpad "Librarian "500 Internal server error"s (when uploading) should generate an OOPS, and include the OOPS code in the error to the client." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86185 [04:11] thanks mpt [04:11] that one [04:11] MeetingAction: kiko, get this fix scheduled for some release soon [04:11] pretty please [04:12] * Bug report, Rinchen [04:12] I have 3 for today. [04:12] Bug #90384 (Private) - stub - 2007-03-07 - Critical, in progress. Stu to invalidate sessions. Code cherrypicked 2007-05-17 so this should happen shortly. stub, will that close with the current roll-out? [04:12] Bug 90384 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90384 is private [04:12] Bug #107912, first reported on 2007-04-19, (Private), mthaddon - Critical, in progress. Bug needs to be updated. Tom, how is this progressing? I see they released the domains. [04:12] Bug 107912 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/107912 is private [04:12] Rinchen: Still in progress. Code landing with pqm now. [04:12] Bug #115174, first reported on 2007-05-17, (Private), mwhudson - Critical, not started. ddaa/mwhudson - How soon can you get to this? Will this require a cherry pick? [04:12] Bug 115174 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/115174 is private [04:12] stub, great, thanks [04:13] Rinchen: it's fixed as of a couple of hours ago [04:13] mwhudson, great, thanks. [04:13] yay for no test suite or pqm :/ [04:13] Rinchen: domain has just been purchased, so I'll be pushing ahead with this now [04:13] makes it quicker to fix things sometimes... [04:13] it doesn't require a cherry pick as it's not RF code, nor run on lpnet servers [04:13] mthaddon, great, thanks. [04:14] mwhudson, ok. Got it. [04:14] Thanks [04:14] Rinchen, note my MeetingAction above [04:14] SteveA, back to you [04:14] kiko, right-o [04:14] thanks Rinchen [04:14] * Bug tags [04:15] no new bugs tags were proposed === bigjools-lunch [n=bigjools@82-71-93-249.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [04:15] * Production update (mthaddon) [04:15] Ready to rollout beta apache load balancer (Apache 2.2 now installed on gandwana) [04:15] Launchpadlibrarian.net domain has been purchased, so need to proceed with that === bigjools-lunch is now known as bigjools_ [04:16] Upcoming Production rollout (today - how are we looking for that after testing yesterday, kiko?) [04:16] Need to also get demo and staging OOPSes to devpad (not really production, but related) [04:16] let's rename this meeting section to "operational systems report" [04:17] mthaddon: tell me when you've finished [04:17] ok [04:17] mthaddon, I'll be able to make this call later today [04:17] ok, thx kiko [04:17] mthaddon, I am waiting for results from celso and rosetta and matsubara [04:17] I'm done, SteveA [04:17] if it's a disaster [04:17] thanks mthaddon [04:17] we will reconsider the date [04:17] but the branch is cut anyway [04:17] * DB update (stub) [04:17] Database change freeze is again in affect. [04:18] This cycle db changes will need to be in my review queue about a week before db freeze is lifted, to give me time to go through all proposed changes with sabdfl. Dates will be emailed to the mailing list when they are known :) [04:18] (rename to DBA report) [04:18] FYI, the DB Open weeks are highlighted on the calendar but exact dates are TBD. [04:18] please put dates on the release calendar [04:18] ok [04:18] when you know them [04:20] so, no unexpected downtime or any problems to report from the ops or dba side? === nealmcb [n=neal@wikipedia/nealmcb] has joined #launchpad [04:20] I miss the "everything has been running smoothly" announcement [04:20] kiko: thumbs up for PPA & main-distro tasks. Everything looks fine after a SoyuzSystemTest round. [04:20] db has been running smoothly :) [04:20] cprov, congratulations! and thanks a lot to elmo for the key help yesterday. [04:21] thanks [04:21] * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] ) [04:21] Good news in this area. Several requests have been resolved this week. [04:21] kiko: indeed, I got the builders running just in time. [04:21] I'm tracking 2 high priorities. [04:21] 27951 - Elliot's prototyping machine [04:21] 27816 - "allow outgoing FTP from vostok" [WWW] Bug 109441 [04:22] thanks Rinchen [04:22] thanks, anything I can do to help that go forward? [04:22] mthaddon, fyi I'm getting 503s on LP if you could check. [04:22] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [04:22] matthew is not here, so we'll skip this [04:22] Rinchen: will do [04:22] I mean (RT 27816) [04:22] * Encouraging more pre-implementation phone calls (barry) [04:23] we want to encourage launchpad devs to do more pre-implementation phone calls [04:23] phone calls (voice contact) is preferable to irc [04:24] you should do these calls even for trivial bug fixes or features; it's okay to ask "this is trivial, do you agree?" === bigjools-afk [n=ed@82-71-93-254.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [04:24] you can do these calls with any other lp dev, in fact it's encouraged that everyone participate. [04:24] think of this as virtual pair programming in a sense [04:24] the nice thing about voice calls is that it provides a place for a reviewer and you to discuss the scope of the work, how it links with other things in launchpad, and so on, but briefly, dynamically looking at what's needed in a particular case [04:25] barry: so no need to have it with a reviewer? [04:25] carlos: correct [04:25] ok [04:25] reviewers will ask you if you've done a pre-imple call, and the PendingReviews page has an additional line in the template now [04:25] See PreMergeReviews for a fuller discussion, and i'll be sending out an email later today [04:26] is the expectation to just turn up in launchpad-code and say "i need someone to have a pre-impl call with", or find someone appropriate? === bigjools_ is now known as bigjools [04:26] although there's no need to have it with a reviewer, do choose someone who is experienced in that area of launchpad, or in designs in general [04:26] mwhudson: choose someone and ask them [04:26] mwhudson: and if they can't do it, choose someone else and ask them [04:26] SteveA: ok [04:27] and if they can't do it, choose SteveA and ask him :) [04:27] Rinchen: intermittent or constant - there were some issues on nagios, but I checked each app server out and it seems fine now [04:27] I'm very happy to be asked to do pre-implementation calls [04:27] FYI this is also recommended in the general dev process: "The developer should have a pre-implementation discussion with a reviewer. This is recommended and it is preferred that this be done via a voice call." [04:27] mthaddon, intermittent [04:27] Is there any particular reason this has to be voice? I hate discussing code changes on phones - I find it much harder to articulate in that medium than, say, IRC or email. [04:27] Rinchen: can you let me know if you get any more - seems to have cleared up now... [04:28] re: pre-imp - although we could change the reference to reviewer there. Barry, that'll be your call. [04:28] mthaddon, yes sir, thanks. [04:28] stub: the review can have many components in different media. voice should be one of them. [04:28] Rinchen: nagios is confirming it's all happy again... [04:28] SteveA: is there any particular reason this has to be voice? [04:28] Rinchen: i like the way SteveA put it; i'll try to work that in [04:28] mthaddon: anything in the logs or oopses? [04:28] stub: yes. [04:29] SteveA: just checking the postgres logs [04:29] stub: I'll discuss that with you in a voice call if you like. [04:29] mthaddon, fwiw, ubotu also had 1. [04:30] one other thing i like about it not having to be a reviewer is that it gets everyone involved in the process, improves design skills and gets more people familar with how the system works [04:30] I think it better stated in the meeting or people won't know what in particular they need to be focusing in the voice calls. [04:30] SteveA: saw one statement timeout in postgres logs, other than that, nothing major [04:30] barry: I agree with that. I recommend that you find someone who has a different level of experience to you. [04:31] barry: so we get less experienced members of the team talking with more experienced. [04:31] +1 [04:31] also, seek to have these across different domains of launchpad [04:31] sometimes, anyway [04:31] mix it up [04:32] stub: I have yet to understand the motivation behind your question. So, we can discuss it in a call, and you can report back to the next meeting. [04:32] ok [04:32] so, do we have particular actions out of this...? [04:32] - extra information on the pending reviews page [04:33] - amendment to docs on how to develop on launchpad [04:33] SteveA: i will update the wiki pages and send an email to launchpad@ [04:33] ACTION ITEM: stub to discuss rational for voice calls as opposed to other mediums with stevea and report [04:33] thanks [04:33] thanks barry [04:33] moving on [04:33] i think we should have an agenda item for the next meeting (or next few meetings) to track how this is going, if people have problems with it, need more or less process, etc. [04:34] barry: okay, please add it as a proposed item for the next meeting [04:34] moving on [04:34] kiko: do you have anything to say about the development cycle stuff? [04:34] or Rinchen ? [04:34] any announcements related to where we are in the development cycle [04:35] All 1.1.6 milestones need to be rounded out today if at all possible. We're presenting to management tomorrow morning. [04:35] "morning" is kinda ambiguous [04:35] considering our spread across timezones [04:36] can you be more specific? [04:36] Ah true. Morning US, afternoon GMT [04:36] 15:00 GMT iirc [04:36] ok, thanks [04:36] * Team three sentences ([wiki:ProjectTeams Team List] ) [04:37] TEAM: FOAF [04:37] TEAM: infrastructure [04:37] DONE: Fixed a bunch of bugs on launchpad-*-dependencies packages and some more work on bug 70519 [04:37] TODO: Finish bug 70519 and start with bug 2773 [04:37] BLOCKED: no [04:37] DONE: DBA stuff, single sign on, triage, cleanup blueprints & bugs from former employees, oops reports, prep for Apache load balancer, bzr0.16 rollout, log ac [04:37] tivity for cron scripts (not yet reviewed), storm fixes to help with LP migration, DB config changes. [04:37] TODO: more single sign on, more triage, staging tests, Apache load balancer installation on beta, launchpadlibrarian.net setup, hook new database config stuff into test infrastructure, more storm migration stuff. [04:37] BLOCKED: no [04:37] Launchpad bug 70519 in launchpad "Need to allow team members to renew their own membership once it gets close to the membership's expiration date" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70519 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado) [04:37] Launchpad bug 2773 in launchpad "Let someone delete/remove/close their account" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2773 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado) [04:37] TEAM: Translations [04:37] DONE: Rolled out #83801, #88873, #112314, TranslationImportQueuePriorities [04:37] TODO: Finish testing, fallout: #116196, #116200; import queue UI filters [04:37] BLOCKED: no [04:37] TEAM: answer-tracker [04:37] DONE: specs discussion, allows to filter-out English requests in searches, add rationale to answer tracker notifications, cycle planning [04:37] TODO: cycle planning, get rationale branch reviewed and land it, land English filtering branches [04:37] BLOCKED: reversal of DB patch by stub/sabdlf blocks landing of answer contacts that do not want to support English [04:37] TEAM: bug tracker [04:37] DONE: Bjorn was planning for release, checking specs have enough info, helping out, doing code reviews, and assigning bugs to next milestone. David, Abel and Gavin were bug fixing. David has 2 branches in review which should land early next week. Gavin landed bug 112315 and db changes for bug 106984. [04:37] TODO: Bjorn - Bug permissions for MOTU; Abel - bug 6572; David - bug 116367, bug 116369, preliminary hardware db stuff; Gavin - bug 106984, bug 81014 [04:37] BLOCKED: no [04:37] TEAM: mailing lists [04:37] DONE: had review of phase 3 spec w/joey and steve. [04:37] TODO: one more round of updates, and then review w/mark [04:37] BLOCKED: still having trouble merging changes to sourcecode/mailman [04:37] Launchpad bug 112315 in launchpad "OffsiteFormPostError raised for referer with square braces in query" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112315 - Assigned to Gavin Panella (allenap) [04:37] TEAM: Commercialization [04:37] DONE: vacation, reviews, landed file downloads, spec writing, sf integration, planning for next release cycle, blueprints bug fixing. [04:37] TODO: more blueprints for next release cycle, reviews, private bugs. [04:37] BLOCKED: no. [04:37] Bug 106984 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/106984 is private [04:37] Launchpad bug 6572 in malone "In distribution bug searches, it should be possible to filter out bugs with open upstream tasks" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6572 - Assigned to abel (adeuring) [04:37] Launchpad bug 116367 in malone "Apport should be able to report private bugs" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116367 - Assigned to Dave Murphy (schwuk) [04:37] Launchpad bug 116369 in malone "Apport should be able to subscribe people to bug reports" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116369 - Assigned to Dave Murphy (schwuk) [04:37] Bug 106984 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/106984 is private [04:37] Launchpad bug 81014 in malone "Don't assume entered package is a binary package" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81014 - Assigned to Gavin Panella (allenap) [04:37] TEAM: Code Antipodeans [04:37] DONE: auto-bug-branch DB refactoring, smartserver on the supermirror, some private branch UI work, release planning, Raised RT (#28084) about securing supermirror access over http. [04:37] TODO: finish work on smartserver on supermirror, refactor private branch branches following DB change agreed with sabdfl [04:37] BLOCKED: no [04:37] DONE: Answers spec feedback and interface design, bug page work [04:37] TODO: login/registration redesign, finish bug page [04:37] BLOCKED: no [04:38] TEAM: Soyuz [04:38] DONE: PPA (DB + compatibilty) and general fixing [04:38] TODO: Deploy PPA & BuildMaster sprint [04:38] BLOCKED: no [04:38] TEAM: Code Europeans [04:38] DONE: sprint, small loggerhead bugs, discuss packaging imports, discuss mailman import, supermirror/importd doc, release planning. [04:38] TODO: branch-puller activity reporting, finish bye-bye-hct, finish supermirror/importd doc, code import speccing, [04:38] BLOCKED: RT 27816 - "allow outgoing FTP from vostok" [04:38] flacoste, barry ddaa - blocked [04:40] barry: let's see if we can get mthaddon and lifeless to sort that out [04:40] SteveA: mthaddon did try to help, i think we decided it's a lifeless issue [04:41] lifeless: will you help barry with this today? [04:42] looking [04:42] ddaa: I appreciate your "Code Europeans" report this week. I want to see one team three sentences for the bzrlp team next week. [04:42] SteveA: Do we have a voice call today? [04:42] I will help. I was unaware that it was an issue. [04:42] stub: yes, infrastructure team call. [04:42] barry: is it possible that you aren't using quite the right pqm branch? (have a slash at the end when you shouldn't, or vice versa? [04:43] SteveA: you mean combining europeans and antipodeans? [04:43] SteveA: talk about post meeting [04:43] one report, one bzrlp team [04:43] jamesh: anything's possible. i'm sure it's some function of "barry.is_doing_something_stupid" [04:43]