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jmganyone know how to print a range in awk?01:05
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Hobbseemorning all01:44
bhalehi Hobbsee 01:45
Hobbseebhale: :)01:45
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micahcowanping BenC02:20
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keescookg'night folks03:46
ajmitchnight keescook 03:46
keescookcya ajmitch 03:47
Hobbseenight keescook 03:47
keescookbye Hobbsee03:47
keescookoh, ajmitch, did you happen to snag the SELinux initramfs stuff off your laptop?03:47
ajmitchkeescook: I should grab it now 03:49
ajmitchit's on there somewhere :)03:49
ajmitchkeescook: dget http://ajmitch.net.nz/debuild/selinux/selinux-basics_0.3.0ubuntu1.dsc03:52
ajmitchI haven't really changed anything except adding in the hook 03:52
ajmitchso don't upload it as-is :)03:52
BenCmicahcowan: pong04:04
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keescookajmitch: thanks (though the tar.gz is missing.)04:11
ajmitchhm, shouldn't be, I put it there04:14
keescookthe ubuntu1 tar.gz was missing04:14
ajmitchit's there now :)04:15
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keescook+mount -t proc ${rootmnt}/proc ${rootmnt}/proc04:31
keescook+umount /root/proc04:31
keescookshould that last one be umount ${rootmnt}/proc  ?04:32
Hobbseekeescook: you dont appear to be giong to bed... :P04:32
keescookHobbsee: yeah, there does seem to be that problem.  :P04:33
ajmitchkeescook: quite likely, this was more along the lines of an experiment :)04:33
keescookajmitch: very cool.  Now I can experiment too.  :)  thanks!04:33
ajmitchhave fun!04:33
ajmitchnb: it won't work if you have / & /usr on separate partitions04:34
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djf_jeffhi, maybe not at the right place but I have a small question : is there a reason why libevent is still at the version 1.1a and not the lastest?04:44
Hobbseedjf_jeff: because no one has updated it?04:45
djf_jeffHobbsee: I already guess this ;) Just want to know if there was a compatibility reason for this04:46
Hobbseeno idea04:46
djf_jeffHobbsee: ok, thank you, checking the package page on the debian website show some reasons, I should have check there first04:50
Hobbseeno problem :)04:50
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micahcowanBenC, did you see my recent response on my patch submission?05:32
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BenCmicahcowan: yeah, but at the same time, I'd rather patches like that make their way down through -mm and finally to Linus' tree06:03
micahcowanBenC, okay, understood. It's currently in -mm. I'll let you know when it's in the main tree.06:13
BenCmicahcowan: if it makes it into 2.6.22, it'll get into gutsy06:13
micahcowanBenC, yeah, that's what I figured. It's not like we don't have plenty of time. :) Just want to keep progress going on it so I can eventually close the bug.06:15
micahcowanThanks, Ben.06:15
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tepsipakkihow come does MoM claim a package to be on the normal merge list when the tarballs differ?06:23
tepsipakkithe package being x-x-v-suncg606:23
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Burgundaviais powernowd not run by default for a reason?07:55
HobbseeBurgundavia: it's in universe...07:56
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Burgundaviainstalled by default07:57
MithrandirBurgundavia: we use the ondemand governor by default.07:57
Burgundaviawhich doesn't scale my celeron M07:58
Burgundaviaguess that is a bug07:58
Mithrandirsounds like a bug, yes08:00
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Burgundaviawould that be a laptop-detect bug, or a kernel one?08:05
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dholbachgood morning08:06
Burgundaviamorning dholbach08:06
Hobbseemorning dholbach 08:06
dholbachhey Burgundavia, hey Hobbsee08:06
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pittiGood morning08:09
Hobbseehiya pitti!08:10
BurgundaviaMithrandir: what should I report the bug against. It doesn't look like the proper module is being loaded08:10
pittihey Hobbsee 08:10
MithrandirBurgundavia: if there's a kernel that's not being loaded, but should be, it's a kernel bug.08:10
Mithrandirmorning Martin, Daniel08:11
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tepsipakkimorning folks, I'll repeat the earlier question; any idea why MoM shows x-x-v-suncg6 to be on the main merge queue when it should be on main-manual (different tarball)?08:13
pittihi Tollef08:13
pittitepsipakki: that should only happen if it ever shared a tarball with Debian; an earlier version perhaps?08:13
StevenKI note that MoM still shows python-xml for main.08:14
tepsipakkipitti: no, same version (1.1.0)08:14
FujitsuStevenK: Is it not in main? It seems to be here...08:15
StevenKFujitsu: Compare the versions in LP versus MoM for python-xml.08:15
FujitsuHm, right.08:16
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hydanwhat's the status of zfs being ported?08:19
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dholbachgrrrrrrr network-manager grrrrrrrrr08:44
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Burgundaviadholbach: has it been hardlocking your X as well?08:45
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dholbach_Burgundavia: no, not that - but it seems it can only connect to my wireless once, if I want to reconnect or if it disconnects for some reason, I have to remove the key from gnome-keyring-manager, then re-add it again08:47
dholbach_back on cable network *GRRRRR*08:47
Hobbseeit just hates you08:47
dholbachmaybe somebody is going to updated nm to the newest version in gutsy and all will be good08:48
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Hobbseedholbach: you volunteering?08:56
dholbachHobbsee: maybe not08:57
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pittidholbach: is 0.7 actually released now?09:13
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dholbachpitti: 0.6.509:13
pittidholbach: if someone beats me to it hard enough I might give it a try09:14
pittifixing the broken zeroconf negotiation is on my wishlist for a long time anyway09:14
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Jim7J1AJHWhere should I go to find out about python-central and python-support?  (I packaged my app on Feisty, but want to make versions installable on Dapper.  I'm wondering if I should have stuck with the dummy package and underlying python2.n- binaries scheme.)09:28
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pittiJim7J1AJH: dapper didn't have central/support and the new-world python policy yet09:29
pittiJim7J1AJH: so I'm afraid that's the case09:29
Jim7J1AJHThanks.  I didn't think to check that until after packaging.09:30
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doko_dholbach, seb128: will you do the glade merge?09:44
dholbachdoko: yes09:46
pittidholbach: hm, ISTR that you already talked about the solution of that '<fdopen>' attachment problem (bug 115347); do you already have something in mind, API-wise?09:46
dokodholbach: thx09:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 115347 in apport "retracer needs to hint at MIME type text/plain" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11534709:46
dholbachdoko: did you have a chance to find out why and how the python-dbg packages are broken?09:47
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tepsipakkidoko: I've done the syslinux-merge, grabbed an updated patch from suse and the gfxboot works with the new syslinux. I've been in touch with colin about it09:48
pittislomo: argh, texlive-bin still has this weird 'multiple _init/_fini' problem; argh09:48
dokotepsipakki: very cool, I did move that one to the end of my merge list ...09:49
tepsipakkidoko: heh, can't blame you :)09:49
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dholbachpitti: hum... shouldn't MultipartPostHandler pass the mime-type?09:52
pittitepsipakki: rock! I'm TIL for it, but traded it with cjwatson09:53
pittidholbach: I'll think about it, I just want to avoid double work, since I remember you saying something about it09:53
dholbachpitti: I don't know what I should have said about it :)09:53
pittiok; nevermind then :)09:54
dholbachMultipartPostHandler already does   contenttype = mimetypes.guess_type(filename)[0]  or 'application/octet-stream'  - maybe it doesn't get called?09:55
pittiI'll look into it09:55
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dholbachheya seb12809:59
seb128hi dholbach10:00
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Keybukseb128: was the Debian menu supposed to have turned up?10:08
tepsipakkipitti: about syslinux&no-stack-protector; it seems that upstream has set -fno-stack-protector in some of the Makefiles, but not in all of them. Do you think the rest should still have that?10:08
seb128Keybuk: no10:08
seb128Keybuk: and it's not on my desktop10:08
pittitepsipakki: as long as it builds, it's fine10:08
pittitepsipakki: i. e. just try ;)10:08
tepsipakkipitti: ah, ok10:08
pittitepsipakki: you'll get a linker failure about a missing __stack_chk_fail() if it's missing somewhere10:09
tepsipakkiI've built it but maybe the gentoo-patch was applied then10:09
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tepsipakkiyep, I'll try dropping that10:09
Keybukseb128: odd; I clicked the Revert button in Edit Menus by accident, and it turned up10:09
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seb128Keybuk: looks like an alacarte bug then10:10
Keybukyeah could be10:10
KeybukI removed the .local/share/applications/X-Debian-blah-blah.desktop it created, and it went away again10:11
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slomopitti: yes... no idea why :)10:41
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dholbachdoko: glade merge done11:13
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Keybukwhen did Ctrl+Shift+Unicode break?11:37
Keybukyou have to put a U now?11:38
pittiKeybuk: since edgy or so11:38
pittiKeybuk: yep, Ctrl+Shift+u, then enter the digits11:38
seb128Keybuk: 11:41
seb128* gtk/gtkimcontextsimple.c: Rework the Unicode hex input11:41
seb128code. Now we only steal a single key combination, Ctrl-Shift-U,11:41
seb128instead of sixteen. 11:41
seb128that's since dapper11:41
Keybukfortunately I don't remember the numbers of many Unicode characters,11:42
Keybukand those I do, I don't feel the need to type very often11:42
pittiseb128: too bad that it doesn't work in xchat11:42
pittiKeybuk: 11:42
Keybukctrl-shift-U then type the numbers11:42
Keybukit's nice that you don't need to hold down ctrl-shift afterwards11:42
seb128pitti: weird, it should work in any GTK+ application11:42
pittioh, indeed, it just looks confusing11:43
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Keybuknow if only we could fix Mono's lame-arse-broken keybindings, I'd be happy11:43
Keybuk(shift-delete, control-insert & shift-insert don't work)11:43
pittimvo: can you please take a look at bug 107474? when would apt.Cache()[pkg] ._lookupRecord() fail?11:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 107474 in apport "[apport]  apport-retrace crashed with AssertionError in install_missing_packages()" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10747411:46
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pittimvo_: can you please take a look at bug 107474? when would apt.Cache()[pkg] ._lookupRecord() fail?11:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 107474 in apport "[apport]  apport-retrace crashed with AssertionError in install_missing_packages()" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10747411:47
mvo_pitti: yes11:48
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mvo_pitti: it could fail if a) no version can be found in the cache b) if it can't find a indexfile for it. the most likely cause is that there is no version, but that is strnage because there should be at least the CurrentVer from /var/lib/dkg/status11:55
dokopitti: would you mind doing the pbbuttonsd merge?11:55
pittidoko: no, I wouldn't11:55
dokonot sure if we really want to drop the i386 packages11:55
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pittidoko: ... mind doing it11:55
pittidoko: I'm not sure to which extend it is useful on the x86 apples11:56
pittiI'll have a look11:56
pittimvo_: hm, that sounds a bit strange; would that happen if someone dpkg -i's a package?11:58
pittimvo_: NB that it is not a KeyError, apt.Cache() has an entry for it11:58
mvo_pitti: that is fine, apt will look into its own lists/ dir and into the dpkg status file12:00
pittiah, so if I dpkg -i a package which is not in the lists, apt.Cache() will pick up the entry from /v/l/dpkg/status12:00
mvo_pitti: yes12:00
pittibut _lookupRecord() would fail in that case?12:01
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mvo_pitti: no, it should pickup the record from /v/l/dpkg/status12:01
pittimvo_: (that's why I added that assert, since I could not think of a situration where the function would fail)12:02
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mvo_pitti: let me do a bit more research12:03
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mvo_pitti: it happens for virtual packages too. they have no version. and it can happen if a package is denoted in dpkg status but no information can be obtained about it (e.g. old conflicts etc)12:08
pittimvo_: ah, good12:09
pittimvo_: but usually virtual packages generate a KeyError12:09
pittimvo_: but if it's a removed-but-not-purged package, that could happen12:09
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mvo_mvo_: yes12:10
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mvo_pitti: there seems to have been a amanda package but its gone now. that seems to cause the issue12:10
mvo_pitti: heh :)12:10
pittimvo_: alright; thank you!12:11
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carlosmvo_: hi12:25
mvo_hey carl12:25
mvo_hey carlos12:25
carlosmvo_: We did a merge this week to fix the problem with that huge file from ddtp12:26
mvo_carlos: cool! so I can try to import that again?12:26
carlosmvo_: I think it's going to be deployed today or tomorrow12:26
carloslet me check, I think I just left it 'blocked' so It's just a matter of change its status once the change lands on production12:27
carlosmvo_: indeed, it's blocked12:28
carlosmvo_: if you don't have updates, you don't need to upload it again12:28
carlosI will care to get it imported12:28
pittibdmurray, seb128, asac, mvo: FYI, with today's upload, apport drops the '[apport] ' bug title prefix and instead sets tags like apport-crash, apport-packaging, apport-bug, etc.12:28
carlosmvo_: btw, do you have time to talk about the languages you are adding to ddtp ?12:28
seb128pitti: cool12:28
carloslike ru_RU, sv_SE and others...12:29
mvo_carlos: I think I have some new stuff12:29
carlosmvo_: then go ahead and upload it12:29
carloswill override what is now there12:29
carlosbut will be still blocked12:30
carlosI will unblock it once we are able to import it12:30
mvo_carlos: why is it still clocked?12:30
carlosmvo_: because the patch is not yet on production12:30
carlosso we still have that problem12:30
carlosuntil the code is actually deployed12:31
asacpitti: cool12:31
pitticu later12:31
mvo_carlos: aha, ok. I misunderstood that12:32
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mvo_carlos: what talk about languages to import do you mean exactly? I remember you pointed me to a feature request about language-selector for fallback locales, but I do not remember a ddtp discussion12:32
carlosmvo_: new topic12:33
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carlosmvo_: I saw you are uploading ru_RU.po, sv_SE.po files  and others like that 12:33
carloswhen you shouldn't...12:33
mvo_I see12:33
mvo_I will check that12:34
mvo_that could be a problem with the import script12:34
carlosmvo_: except for zh_*, pt_BR and en_* you should not use the country code at all12:46
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carlosat least those are the most common that are valid12:46
mvo_carlos: thanks, I check it12:47
carlosmvo_: ok, thanks12:48
cjwatsoncarlos: is it likely that Rosetta will stop letting people create those at some point?12:51
cjwatsonthere's a lot of junk like de + de_DE + de_AT etc. in various templates12:51
cjwatsonwhich I routinely filter out by eye when doing imports, but that's hardly ideal12:51
carloswe already prevent them to do it by default12:51
carlosautomatic approvals are not handled in those cases12:51
carlosand the UI doesn't allow you to create it directly, unless you navigate by hand to its URL12:52
carlosbut kiko wants to remove that too12:52
cjwatsone.g. https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/debian-installer/+pots/debian-installer has en_AU, en_CA, en_NZ, en_GB, en_US12:52
carloscjwatson: usually, what is there is just because we didn't cleanup old ones12:53
carloscjwatson: well12:53
carlosen_* is allowed12:53
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cjwatsonfr and fr_FR, de and de_AT and de_DE, pt and pt_PT, es and es_ES12:53
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cjwatsonen_* is the worst of it12:53
carlosnot all of them, but most of them are12:53
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cjwatsonespecially because the language packs don't currently filter out the msgid == msgstr case12:53
cjwatsonso it takes up an awful lot of unnecessary space on Ubuntu CDs12:54
cjwatsonthere are a small number of cases where en_* translations are indeed useful, but they fall victim to translation completism rather badly12:54
carloscjwatson: hmm, I guess the problem there is that we are copying it with every new distro opening12:55
carloscjwatson: hmm, English should be handled different, I know12:56
carlosso we only ship msgstr that are different from msgid12:57
carlosbut we don't have yet such feature12:57
carlosabout the others, I will request its removals12:57
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carlosmvo_: btw, now that you talked about language-selector. Should I assume that the change you did to the bug report is because it's something you should fix in language-selector?12:59
carlosmvo_: just wondering whether I could reject it for Rosetta01:00
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mvo_carlos: its something that l-s can fix, not sure what to do with rosetta01:06
carlosmvo_: well, if you can fix it quite easily with ln -s we don't need to ask for translations 01:07
carloswhich is a better solution01:07
carlosmvo_: I'm going to close our task then01:07
carlosmvo_: thanks01:07
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mvo_carlos: ok, thanks01:10
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seb128Treenaks: around? you were sort of leading the pppoe BOF at UDS, right? ;) Did you write a spec about it?01:21
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Mithrandirdoko: is it possible to permanently turn off the OOo recovery thing?01:48
ograseb128, is there a gconf-key to adjust the startu notification deay ?01:50
seb128ogra: what do you mean by "startup notification"?01:50
seb128the delay is "until the app start"01:50
ograthe clock cursor01:50
ograno, it switches back on slow systems before the app starts01:51
seb128no, it runs until the app start01:51
ogranot here01:51
seb128that would be a bug then01:51
seb128how long does it take for your app to start?01:51
ograi have about 10 seconds delay until the ff window shows up after the cursor changed back01:51
dokoMithrandir: hmm, env var OOO_DISABLE_RECOVERY might do it01:52
dokoIf set this stops the recovery dialog prompting you as OO.o starts up - instead the recovery files are just silently accumulated.01:52
ogra(the classmate has a slow flashdisk)01:52
Mithrandirdoko: ok, thanks.01:52
seb128ogra: libstartup-notification doesn't use gconf anyway, so no01:53
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Hobbseehi all02:38
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zulcool: http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/05/24/15994.aspx02:41
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enricoIf, in rc.S, mountkernfs is run before mountall, how can /var/run and /var/lock be mounted properly if /var is mounted from a separate partition?02:51
enricoThis is on feisty, where the network doesn't come up because ifup believes that the network is already up because /var/run isn't mounted from tmpfs but persists from the previous boot02:51
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cjwatson_enrico: the installer ensures that /var/run and /var/lock exist on /, so that they're mounted there02:58
cjwatson_and then IIRC we do a mount --move trick to preserve them when /var gets mounted02:58
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enricocjwatson: I see03:05
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enricocjwatson: indeed recreating those two directories fixed the problem.  You may want to add two explicit mkdirs to mountkernfs, as I'd say that when people move the /var contents to a different partition, they'd tend to remove everything left in it, without suspecting that those two directories are still needed03:14
cjwatsonunfortunately we can't, as / is read-only when mountkernfs runs03:15
cjwatsonor at least may be03:15
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KeybukI actually have a cunning plan03:21
Keybukwe can add the mkdirs to the umountfs script instead ;)03:21
Keybukor umountroot03:21
Keybukso if you shutdown a machine, when /var is unmounted, if the dirs don't exist then, they're created03:21
Keybuk(before / is made read-only again)03:22
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cjwatsonKeybuk: heh, neat idea03:24
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keescookhiya pitti03:35
pittihey keescook; early for you03:35
keescookpitti: indeed.  I drove my wife to the airport early, figured I'd stay up and try to help get the kernel update sorted.  :)03:36
StevenKkeescook: For which release?03:36
keescookStevenK: yes.  :)03:36
pittikeescook: I'm not sure about it either; you got my mail with the log except?03:37
pittikeescook: cprov wasn't there yet when I left, let's try now03:37
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keescookStevenK: feisty is getting an ABI bump, but not the others.03:37
pittikeescook: how come that we have so many ABI bumps now?03:37
StevenKOh feisty I can deal with.03:37
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StevenKpitti: You can smell those? :-P03:38
pittiStevenK: very few security patches need to bump the ABI03:38
StevenKThat's a point.03:38
keescookpitti: funny, I could barely find the security patches in the feisty kernel update.  I think the changelog is 2 pages long.  :)03:38
pittiand TBH I'd rather avoid smuggling complicated updates into -security, without a proper SRU03:38
pittikeescook: we should not accept those; they need staging in -proposed even more than the other SRUs we are doing03:39
keescookyeah, I was really surprised to find that stuff.03:39
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StevenKGratious kernel changes so the ABI can turn even? :-P03:40
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ograMithrandir, why do you disable readahead on the liveCD exactly ? because all ram is already taken or because squashfs preforms badly with it ?03:41
Mithrandirit blew up with squashfs03:41
ograwell, on which side ?03:42
ograi have plenty of ram in my classmate image, but still use squashfs in the back03:43
Mithrandir"blew up" as in kernel oops03:43
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ograah, k03:43
ograbut i guess you only tried with tmpfs /cow ?03:44
Mithrandirtmpfs and real filesystems there, yes.03:44
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keescookit really confuses me to see "cow" as a meaningful file.  I (used to) use it as my "foo"-like temp file name.  :)03:47
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mvosiretart: do you have experience with cryptsetup? I need some help debuging a problem with luksFormat in feisty04:09
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tkamppetersomeone has added Plug'n'Print (printer auto-install) to GNOME? See bug 116616. It seems not to recognize whether there is already a print queue.04:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 116616 in gnome-cups-manager "Cups runs into a printer detection loop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11661604:11
slomomjg59: hi... you're aware that your gst-plugins-base patch for the alsa stuff breaks API and ABI? :) imho we should better wait until upstream found a good solution for this... and until now this is still under discussion04:12
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siretartmvo: sort-of04:15
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mvosiretart: in a nutshell luksFormat is not working and I wonder why. opening existing luks device works fine apparently. I get  loads of stat64("/dev/mapper/temporary-cryptsetup-7931", 0xbff94848) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)04:16
mvostock feisty04:16
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tkamppeterno one here who knows who has added printer auto-installation to GNOME?04:18
siretartmvo: I didn't see this, but it looks like a typical device node creation race, which was introduced in feisty04:19
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mvosiretart: wonderful, any idea what I could do to a) debug it further or b) workaround the problem?04:19
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tkamppeterpitti, do you know perhaps from the UDS Sevilla talk who has added printer auto-installation?04:20
siretartmvo: that's indeed a good question. in theory, libdevmapper (which cryptsetup hopefully uses) is patched to not create the device node04:20
siretartmvo: since feisty, there should be some udev rules creating them04:21
siretartto debug the problem you first need to check if that is correct, and if yes, craft udev rules to create the nodes04:21
tkamppeterpitti, in Ubuntu up to Feisty nothing happened when I connected a USB printer. I had to call the printer setup tool manually.04:21
siretartmvo: are you using pitti's script to format an usb stick?04:22
pittitkamppeter: right04:22
tkamppeterpitti, and now (probably Gutsy or some Feisty/Gutsy mix-up) a user reports bug 11661604:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 116616 in gnome-cups-manager "Cups runs into a printer detection loop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11661604:22
pittitkamppeter: and I'm not aware of anyone else working on that04:22
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mvosiretart: I tried both (luksformat and cryptsetup) 04:23
tkamppeterUnfortunately I cannot see the screenshot of the notification window as librarian seems to be down.04:23
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siretartmvo: that's indeed strange.04:24
siretartmvo: it looks to me that cryptsetup expects libdevmapper to create the devicenode. Keybuk changed libdevmapper to not do that anymore04:24
tkamppeterOr did GNOME have plug'n'print all the time, only deactivated by default?04:24
siretartmvo: so maybe he can help a bit out here04:24
mvosiretart: thanks, that is quite helpful04:25
tritiumHow is /etc/papersize set?  A new feisty install with en_US locale has a4 set, and openoffice insists that I use a4 paper, despite cups and gnome-cups-manager settings to the contrary.04:25
Keybuksiretart: depends04:26
tritium(contrary being letter)04:26
Keybuksiretart: in edgy, devmapper created the devices nodes and udev ignored them04:26
Keybukin feisty, devmapper waited for udev to create the devices nodes (spinning in a loop)04:26
cjwatsontritium: known bug, fixed in gutsy ubiquity04:26
cjwatsonreconfigure libpaper1 to fix it04:26
Keybukin gutsy, devmapper creates the device nodes, and udev turns it into a symlink to a device node with better permissions04:26
tritiumcjwatson: great.  Thanks.04:26
cjwatsonbug 10416004:26
ubotuLaunchpad bug 104160 in ubiquity "/etc/papersize incorrecly configured" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10416004:26
Keybuk(the symlink thing may not work if something lstat()s and checks the type *shrug* if so, it can always just make the device node)04:26
pittitkamppeter: gnome-volume-manager supports it, but we never set the 'autoprinter' gconf key04:27
pittitkamppeter: just because so far we did not have anything sensible to put in04:27
tritiumI wanted to know what to report a bug against, but I guess I don't have to :)04:27
tkamppeterNote that OpenOffice saves printer defaults per-document, so if you continue on a document with paper size set to A4 it will continue with A4, also if you have changed the paper size option in another document in the meantime.04:27
tritiumtkamppeter: I rarely create openoffice documents.  I mostly open attachments in my email.04:28
tkamppeterpitti, can it then simply be that the reporter of the bug turned the feature on by himself?04:28
tritiumMy hope is to not have to change paper size to letter each time I want to print an attachment.04:28
pittitkamppeter: yes, that's likely; a gconftool -R output from the g-v-m settings will let us know04:28
siretartKeybuk: uuh, that's interesting04:29
siretartKeybuk: is that somewhere documented, like in UbuntuUdevRoadmap? 04:29
Keybuksiretart: ?04:29
siretartbecause it's very unconvinient to look for all these tiny bits of information from the changelogs of the various packages 04:29
Keybukit's documented in UdevMdadmEvmsGutsy or whatever that spec name is :p04:29
tkamppetertritium, also imported documents have printer option settings embedded, but I do not know what happens if all print queues of the sender's PC have different names to your print queues.04:29
keescookgah! failed to start lvm on boot again.  grr04:29
Keybukudev roadmap is an ancient spec04:30
Keybukin theory, you shouldn't care what happens behind the scenes04:30
ssamHobbsee, i asked a few days ago about doing an sru for goffice to fix bug #109204 are you free to ask a few questions?04:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 109204 in gnumeric "Gnumeric strange colors (purple charts) on bigendian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10920404:30
Keybuksince we've tried to preserve the libdevmapper API04:30
Keybuk(device node exists when the function call returns, WIN)04:30
tkamppeterPerhaps you should start OOo without any document and then go into "Print" or "Print Setup" to set defaults for new or imported documents.04:30
siretartKeybuk: in practice, mvo is fighting with cryptsetup to work at all! 04:30
tritiumtkamppeter: thanks.  They're almost always MS docs.04:30
Keybukcryptsetup has never worked04:30
Hobbseessam: i'm around, yes.04:31
siretartit did perfectly in dapper04:31
ssamHobbsee, :-) is a private message better than here04:31
Keybukother things didn't work in dapper04:31
siretartand every new ubuntu release broke it more. I couldn't keep up with all the changes ubuntu was doing to udev and devmapper04:31
Keybuke.g. HAL seeing devices created by cryptsetup04:31
Keybukit's only being broken because we're trying to fix it04:32
Keybukand we're messing around with things we don't understand that much04:32
Keybukbecause the people who do understand aren't helping04:32
tkamppetertritium, note also that the document itself has a paper size (to set somewhere in the "Format" menu).04:32
Hobbseessam: either04:32
tritiumtkamppeter, cjwatson: dpgk-reconfigure libpaper1, and selecting letter, worked.  MS doc attachments open up with correct printer settings now.04:32
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siretartso the solution is to revert our changes we have no clue about?04:32
Keybukbecause that leaves things in a broken state04:32
Keybukcryptsetup devices wouldn't be mounted because udev/HAL/upstart would never find out about them04:33
Keybukthat's what we're attempting to fix04:33
tkamppetertritium, can you report a bug against the tool for I18n configuration, setting/changing the locale should do this dpkg-reconfigure libpaper1 automatically.04:33
Keybukwhich requires that udev in some part knows about the device04:33
Keybukwhich requires that we solve the "when does mknod() get called?" race04:34
tritiumtkamppeter: sure, I'll do that.  Thanks for the help.04:34
Keybukand once solved, we get lots of goodies04:36
Keybuklike you can then do lvm on a cryptsetup'd md device04:36
Keybukor some such madness ;)04:36
mvoI would be happy to be able to do it on a regular CF card for now :) I think I give up for now, it just eats too much time04:37
Keybukmvo: have you tried in gutsy?04:37
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mvoKeybuk: early this week I did, let me check if I have the latest code04:38
tritiumtkamppeter: which is the tool for I18n configuration?04:44
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tkamppeterIritium, I do not know, unfortunately, go into the "System" -> "Administration" menu to start it and then look with "ps" for its executable name.04:54
mvoKeybuk: under gutsy I seem to have the same problem04:59
Keybuklet's debug!05:00
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mvoKeybuk: it might be something specific to cryptsetup05:00
Keybukwhat dm-* are in /sys/block ?05:00
mvoKeybuk: I also run 2.6.20 on gutsy the newer one does not boot for me05:00
Keybukkernel shouldn't matter much05:00
Keybukalso what command(s) are you running, and do you have strace of them?05:01
mvoKeybuk: no dm-* in /sys/block05:01
mvoKeybuk: dm-crypt, dm-mod, dm-mirror are loaded05:02
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mvoKeybuk: I use cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sdc105:02
mvoKeybuk: entirely possible05:02
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Keybukcan you strace that for me?05:03
mvoKeybuk: sure. I will upload the strace in a moment. I did it earlier and noticed that "ioctl(4, DM_TABLE_LOAD, 0x80b7508)      = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument)" looked suspicous05:04
Keybukare you sure you're running .20 ? :p05:05
Keybukthat looks a lot like .22 :p05:05
mvouname -r tells me 2.6.20-15-generic05:05
KeybukBenC: 2.6.20-15-generic has the bd_claim patch, right?05:06
ogra-classmateBenC: any news on the ralink front ?05:07
ogra-classmatei got my image nearly ready05:08
BenCogra-classmate: was trying to get around to testing the tarball last night, but didn't, so today for sure05:08
ogra-classmateonly the suspend issue, usplash and the wlan driver are missing05:08
BenCI think our whole issue may have just been firmware...so I'm trying to see what to do about that05:08
ogra-classmatedo we ship firmware for it ?05:08
ogra-classmatei didnt see any05:09
BenCno, that's the problem :)05:09
BenCbut it also doesn't use firmware-loader, and has a hardcoded firmware location05:09
mvoKeybuk: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/tmp/cryptsetup.strace05:09
mvoKeybuk: the same behvaiour on three machines (two feisty, one gutsy)05:09
Keybukmvo: right05:10
Keybukthat ioctl is the problem05:10
BenCI can include the firmware, but I need to hack the driver to use a `uname -r` based location05:10
Keybukis sdc1 mounted?05:10
ogra-classmateBenC: ah, right05:10
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mvoKeybuk: it is! and that is the only problem it seems. OMG05:12
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cjwatsontritium: great05:15
cjwatsontritium: language-selector is the thing tkamppeter is getting at, I think05:16
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lamontpitti: ping05:44
pittihey lamont05:45
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lamontpitti: re texlive-bin ftbfs on ia64...05:46
lamont1) decide wether or not we want libcairo.la to be part of the development environment05:46
lamont2) either remove it from libcairo2-dev and rebuild a few things, or fix dependencies so that libcairo2-dev comes in.05:47
lamontnote that rebuilding a few packages on i386 will trigger this issue there, too.05:47
pittilamont: in general we want to get rid of .la files05:47
lamontlibcairo2-dev has libcairo.la, and libcairo2-dev wasn't installed for the build05:47
lamontand something (/me didn't look which) was built with a current enough libcairo2-dev05:48
Mithrandirpitti: Any reason not to have something like pkgstriptranslations which cleans .la files, then we can later remove them?05:48
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pittiMithrandir: seb128 knows more, but I think that there's a cdbs rule somewhere which does that05:49
lamontfwiw, our bootstrapping of hppa/feisty working towards gutsy ran into this very issue05:49
Mithrandirpitti: there is, but we don't use it universally05:49
lamontanyway, that one isn't ia64 specific and I have an urgent boss-task, so I'm gonna disappear05:50
seb128Mithrandir: that's basically what /usr/share/gnome-pkg-tools/1/rules/clean-la.mk do05:50
pittilamont: so we need to find all reverse build depends of libcairo2-dev which are build depends of texlive-bin? sorry, this entire libtool stuff is just black magic to me05:50
seb128Mithrandir: I'm not sure if .la are useful for some packages though05:50
pittilamont: thank you for the heads-up!05:50
lamontthe trivial way is to install all the build deps and then 'grep libcairo.la /usr/lib/*.la'05:51
Mithrandirseb128: they're useful for static builds.05:51
lamontthen see what package delivered that file05:51
seb128so we don't want to do it for everything05:51
Mithrandirbut we don't have many of those, and even fewer where something provides .la files for it.05:51
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Mithrandirso we have stuff like sash which depends on.. libc6.05:51
seb128I've to go, bbl05:52
mvopitti: could you please have a look at #116633? a small additon to luksformat, but my perl-foo is weak05:54
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pittimvo: I'm used to writing "while (<MOUNT>) { die 'bla' if /$device/; }", but if you tested your's, that's alright as well, I guess05:59
pittimvo: "$line =~ $device" actually works? I had expected /$device/ to mark it as a regexp06:00
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ion_0) <MOUNT> is bad, use <$mount> (and my $mount earlier), 1) Perhaps one of $_ eq $device, /\Q$device\E/, (split)[0]  eq $device suits you better (depending on exactly what youre trying to achieve).06:04
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ion_Each of the three examples i pasted do completely different thing.06:08
mvopitti, ion_: my perl is pretty bad :) I tested it and it work for me(tm). but I'm more than happy if someone with better perl skilz can update the patch to be more perl-ish06:08
mvoion_: the idea is just just check if the $device is in /proc/mounts 06:08
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cjwatson/\Q$device\E/ would be reasonable then06:11
cjwatson\Q ... \E is a bracketing construct that escapes whatever's inside it to avoid regexp metacharacters in $device being interpreted06:12
ion_If you want to compare the first column to the string $device, (split)[0]  eq $device06:14
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ion_You could also use Keybuks getmntent.c: getmntent -mq "$device" && echo yeah06:18
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Burgundaviamjg59: ping re: laptop cpu freq oddities06:26
mvoion_, cjwatson: thanks! 06:26
mjg59Burgundavia: Mm?06:27
mvoion_: i updated it yet again, hope its better now06:27
Burgundaviamjg59: busy trying to track down why this bug exists: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/11656206:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 116562 in linux-source-2.6.22 "celeron M system refuses to scale" [Undecided,Rejected]  06:28
mjg59Celerons don't scale06:28
Burgundaviamjg59: my celeron m claims to and apparently does06:28
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Burgundaviavia the p4-clockmod module06:29
mjg59p4-clockmod is a net-loss in energy consumption06:30
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mjg59Under almost every single possible circumstance06:30
mjg59Yeah, there's no est bit06:31
mjg59So no speedstep06:31
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mjg59clockmod drops the frequency, but not the voltage06:31
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Burgundaviaahh, ok06:32
mjg59Which results in a linear decrease in power consumption, but also a linear increase in time taken to do anything06:32
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Keybukmvo: if you're writing it in Perl, why are you using regex and not getmntent() ?06:39
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mvoKeybuk: I usually stay away from perl. but I'm happy to use that instead06:40
Keybuk(Perl having access to the C standard library)06:41
gicmoSoo, what do I do if (after upgrading to gutsy) my fonts are HUGE, Xorg reports that I have a dpi of (142, 148) and the gnome font dialog says 14506:42
gicmobut those fonts are WAY to big06:42
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mvogicmo: lucky you, mine are way too small06:43
ion_keybuk: I took a quick look at whether perl itself or the POSIX module provides getmntent, with no luck.06:43
gicmochange to fontsize (currently 10) or tweak the dpi?06:43
ion_keybuk: No luck with perldoc -q mount or mnt either. I didnt look into it any further, though.06:43
gicmomvo: haha ;-) .. well my one look like a almost blind person had set it up06:43
gicmoon the macpro machine its similar for some fonts06:44
gicmobut on the laptop, ugh,06:44
gicmoSetting every font to 8 helps but still not ideal06:45
ion_Monitors reporting their physical dimensions (so that Xorg can calculate the DPI value automatically) is great. Its a shame all monitors dont do that, and even bigger shame that some monitors lie.06:47
ion_A new strip about Dell & Ubuntu at ELER. :-)06:51
wasabiKeybuk: Ya remember that conversation we had at some point about evms/md/lvm and the mess of all of them, and using evms for everything including partitions... what became of that? Did it just disappear because nobody has time to look at it?06:56
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wasabievms seems to be rather silent lately... as in I guess nobdoy is working with it.06:58
Keybukwasabi: evms doesn't even work on plain 2.607:04
Keybukso it's a bit of a moot point really07:04
wasabiHmm. Say that again?07:04
Keybukevms doesn't even work on plain 2.607:04
wasabiI meant with more context. ;)07:04
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wasabiThought evms was in linus' tree.07:04
Keybukit tries to make devmapper devices for existing block devices07:04
Keybuke.g. /dev/mapper/sda /dev/mapper/sda1 /dev/mapper/sda2 etc.07:04
wasabiYes, it does.07:04
Keybukand fails if they're mounted07:05
wasabiWell, not `sda`, just `sda1`07:05
wasabiit does the partition mapping in userspace using dm... and yes, it redoes it.07:05
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Keybukand breaks07:05
wasabiThe conversation I seem to remember having at uds-mtv was about using evms for that, and removing the in-kernel support.07:05
Keybukbecause sda is already claimed by the internal partition stuff07:05
Keybukand sda1 is already mounted07:05
Keybuktbh, given that evms seems undermaintained, and we have almost no expertise in it, that idea scares the shit out of me07:06
wasabiWhich would give the benefit of a default install using DM< and thus being able to migrate a default install to RAID1.07:06
wasabiJeff seemed to like that.07:06
wasabiYeah. It's looking pretty quiet on that front now... was just wondering what happened with that all. :007:06
ion_What benefits does evms have compared to plain md + lvm?07:07
wasabiion_: A sane UI and API.07:07
wasabiErr, s/sane/single/07:07
Keybuknobody seems to know evms well enough to really own it07:07
wasabiYeah. Seems to be the case.07:07
wasabiion_: It uses md and lvm and dm. It provides one API unifying the terms container, segment, and all that jazz... and it comprehends it all for complex operations.07:07
ion_Alright, thanks.07:07
Keybukthe fact the evms upstream basically say "la la, don't use 2.6, or apply this patch to revert a kernel feature" is kinda worrying too07:08
wasabiFor instance, it shows you a file system, and lets you resize it, and considers all that is involved. 07:08
wasabiWhether the FS supports it, online of offline, whether it's mounted, what hte underlying md and lvm stack looks like, and does it all in one move.07:08
ion_Thats quite nice.07:08
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Keybukyet is missing a "hey, evms, there's this new block device, do something with it" command <g>07:08
wasabiIt's nothing new, really. It's just comprehensive.07:08
wasabiKeybuk: Totally. It's probably just waiting for somebody to take ownership.07:09
wasabiHell, I don't particularily care if whatever solves the problem even is EVMS... but as I see it it's a pain in the ass to deal with md and lvm seperatly.07:09
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KeybukI'm kinda hoping the devmapper stuff in gutsy is gonna work07:10
wasabiAnd I think at least the concept of evms is a wonderful idea.07:10
wasabiWhether the current code base is good, I don't know.07:10
Keybukevms sounds like it should be done inside the kernel :p07:10
wasabiThe basic device mapping should be done in the kernel, and is.07:11
wasabiTHe management API, no way.07:11
Keybukthe whole md/lvm/evms thing seems inelegant to me07:11
Keybukit's layers and layers of complexity, built on the kernel block layer07:11
Keybukthere should be disks07:12
wasabiThere are pieces which should be converted to dm, no doubt.07:12
Keybukand there should be filesystems07:12
wasabimd for instance.07:12
Keybukwhere filesystems span/mirror/stripe across however many disks as necessary07:12
wasabizfs is interesting.07:12
Keybukthat seems to be the right kind of solution07:13
Keybukmerge md/dm/lvm/evms into one thing07:13
ion_That would be nice.07:13
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wasabiSure. Well, either way... on my systems that use pure EVMS, things run great. I remove lvm and md tools. evms does it all, and it's golden.07:14
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Keybukwasabi: right, pure-evms works; but mixed evms-and-non-evms is broken because of the bd_claim stuff07:15
wasabibd_claim... new stuff to lock a block device?07:18
wasabiI see.07:18
Keybuknot exactly new07:18
Keybukwe've historically patched it out of the kernel to support evms07:18
Keybukbut the wisdom of patching out a kernel feature to support a program we barely support is questionable07:18
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wasabiSo what is hte long term plan for this type of functionality, at least in Ubuntu?07:20
wasabiThat is, a nice UI for doing RAID and various LVM task.07:20
FjodorI can't seem to register a bug with launchpad. Is it in trouble, or am I doing something wrong?07:20
Keybukthere is no long term plan that I'm aware of07:21
Keybukor even a short term plan07:21
wasabiThe problem with the current EVMS approach is a subset of users Really Likes It (me) because it is seriously usable. But with support for it waning, we're left with nothing but command line md and lvm tools.07:21
wasabiWhich is certainly a downgrade.07:21
Keybukthe question is why these users aren't stepping up to help maintain it ...07:21
wasabiThat is a good question. ;)07:21
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FjodorAnyways, I seem to have hit a bug with gcc-4.1.2 (as shipped with feisty), but since I can't seem to register it on launchpad, would someone be willing to do so instead on my behalf (plus possibly look into it ^-^)?07:26
KeybukFjodor: why can't you register it?07:30
FjodorKeybuk: Thanks. I just seemed to hit timeout errors...07:31
FjodorTrying at this place now07:31
FjodorKeybuk: Done. Klose has requested preprocessed code in other similar bugs. Would you happen to know how I make those?07:38
Fjodorbug 116648 btw07:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 116648 in gcc-4.1 "internal compiler error: Illegal instruction" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11664807:39
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KeybukFjodor: -generic is the correct kernel09:10
seb128geser: there is a new kiwi upstream version in case you want to update it also ;)09:10
Keybuk-386 is only for real 386s09:10
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ogra-classmateKeybuk: not really true ... the classmate here (900 mhz celeron) crawls badly with -generic and flies with -38609:13
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Keybukthat's not a real celeron, though, right?09:17
ogra-classmatewell, /proc/cpuinfo doesnt indicate it could be something else09:18
ogra-classmatemodel name      : Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor          900MHz09:18
ogra-classmatecpu family      : 609:19
ogra-classmatethe cache size is a joke though, cache size      : 64 KB09:20
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geserseb128: I'll perhaps look at it on the weekend09:25
FjodorKeybuk: I am getting some weird errors here, though. And nothing in dmesg suggesting hardware errors09:27
Keybukhave you run a memory test?  you can do that from the ubuntu CD09:27
FjodorThat would be worth trying. Have to get it out of the closet first though. Thanks for the suggestion09:28
Keybuk(it might be a gcc bug, but it's worth testing other things while you wait for a toolchain maintainer to get to the bug)09:28
FjodorKeybuk: Indeed09:29
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FjodorStill going to try the -386 kernel though. IIRC, K6-2 had some very peculiar quirks and inconsistencies that people may have been forgetting about since it's heyday09:33
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wereHamstercan someone with wine installed please check if wine uses DT_RPATH? (I don't have ubuntu, so please don't tell me to install it and check myself ;) )09:47
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SeveaswereHamster, try #ubuntu-wine :)09:58
wereHamsternobody there :(09:58
Seveasbe patient :)09:59
wereHamster.. will I have more luck in #ubuntu?10:00
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ogra-classmateif -wine == 0 you have 1269 more chances in #ubuntu :)10:01
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KeybukMithrandir: see, this bit works10:02
Keybukwing-commander scott# hcitool scan10:02
KeybukScanning ...10:02
Keybuk        00:1A:75:92:A8:B7       Keybuk's W880i10:02
Keybukwing-commander scott# rfcomm connect rfcomm0 00:1A:75:92:A8:B710:02
KeybukConnected /dev/rfcomm0 to 00:1A:75:92:A8:B7 on channel 110:02
KeybukPress CTRL-C for hangup10:02
Keybukas does this bit10:02
Mithrandirrfcomm bind is probably what you want.10:02
Mithrandirand you need a gprs chat script and pppd peers file.10:03
Keybukright, that's where I get stuck10:03
Mithrandirpossibly also a username and password10:03
MithrandirI can send you mine, no idea if they'd work for you10:03
Keybukand don't I want a 3G chat script?10:03
Mithrandirmy phone changes from gprs to 3g and back by itself10:03
Mithrandiron the fly10:04
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wereHamsteranother question.. what's the status of DT_RPATH use in ubuntu's packages? is that allowed or deprecated?10:04
Mithrandirunless you have a good reason to use rpath, avoid it.10:06
ogra-classmatedoko: i'm not registered, cant answer pm ... see bug 11656610:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 116566 in gcompris "[Sync Request]  gcompris 8.3.1-3 from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11656610:07
dokoogra-classmate: ok, thanks10:07
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MithrandirKeybuk: http://err.no/tmp/gprs.tar contains my gprs script and my chatscripts.  You probably need to google for the username and password for your provider.10:10
Mithrandir(I can provide mine, but it won't help you one bit)10:10
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Keybukit says leave blank10:11
MithrandirI think I had to put something there, BICBW10:11
ogra-classmateMithrandir: well, if he used the right country prefix he could use your login data :P10:12
Mithrandirogra-classmate: that could get expensive.10:12
Keybukwhat does that mean?10:12
ogra-classmateheh, indeed10:12
ompaulogra-classmate, mind if I pm you - given my "status" you can reply to me10:12
Mithrandirthe next line tries to call the gprs profile, AIUI10:13
Mithrandirmy phone is a nokia and not SE, though10:13
ogra-classmatedholbach: two, max three at a time, else i wont get it done with my other work10:13
ogra-classmateompaul: pm ogra after the meeting, -classmate isnt registered10:13
dholbachogra-classmate: I'll add you to the list with two and add something that says that they should be interested in edubuntu10:14
ogra-classmate(i cant answer from here atm)10:14
dholbachogra-classmate: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Mentor10:14
ogra-classmatedholbach: laserjock is on my list already10:14
dholbachogra-classmate: yeah, but he's not a new contributor who wants to become MOTU10:14
dholbachogra-classmate: make sure that you have some easy tasks at hand which you can hand out to people10:14
dholbachI added you to the list10:16
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ogra-classmatethanks :)10:17
KeybukMay 24 21:20:34 wing-commander chat[6234] : send (AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internet","",0,0^M)10:20
KeybukMay 24 21:20:34 wing-commander chat[6234] : expect (OK)10:20
pittiSeveas: so, with 0.81 I got rid of that [apport]  prefix; I guess that's what you filter on ATM?10:20
Keybukthat's as far as it gets10:20
pittiSeveas: it was commonly requested to remove this and replace it with tags10:20
pittiSeveas: so now it uses apport-<problemtype>, like apport-crash, apport-package, apport-kernel, etc.10:20
Seveaspitti, please poke some launchpad people to add tags to the RFC822 output of bugs on http://launchpad.net/bugs/bugid_here/+text10:21
Seveasotherwise I can't filter on that10:21
pittidepend on what you use; python-launchpad-bugs supports tags10:22
SeveasI use only the RFC822 format pages10:22
Keybuksee, I don't think that rfcomm0 is working10:22
Keybuksince minicom doesn't help10:22
pittihmm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/116387/+text does not seem to work here10:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 116387 in Ubuntu "austrian repository mirror broken" [Undecided,In progress]  10:23
Seveasit only works for /bugs/id/+text10:23
pittiSeveas: sweet, I didnt' know about that; right, that needs support for tags10:24
Seveaspitti, so please poke LP people :)10:24
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Keybuklesson #110:25
Keybukbind to the right port10:25
Mithrandiryeah, and occasionally, your phone will switch them around just to confuse you10:26
Keybukat+cgdcont?                                                                     10:27
Keybuk+CGDCONT: 1,"IP","general.t-mobile.uk","",0,0                            10:27
Keybuk+CGDCONT: 2,"IP","general.t-mobile.uk","",0,0           10:27
Keybukso the phone already has those programmed into it10:27
Mithrandiryeah, they're on the sim card or something10:27
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Riddellinfinity2: could you give back kdelibs, kdebase, kdegames (ia64), kdeartwork (ia64), kdeutils (ia64), kdeaddons (ia64) and kdegraphics?11:13
Riddellor, maybe not if you're sick11:13
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ograompaul, ?11:20
ompaulogra, pm11:20
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bryceyay http://www.dell.com/open/11:27
mc44and ubuntu.com is a dell advert :)11:28
bryceI like that the laptops are $200 cheaper than the windows version11:28
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BurgworkI think this attempt mike actually stick11:28
ion_bryce: Wow. I was afraid that theyd charge the same price.11:29
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mc44shame dell don't point to any ubuntu community support options but instead to their own forums11:30
ion_Re: Dell and Ubuntu, http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/wp-content/images/ep067.jpg (somewhat offtopic, sorry)11:30
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ogra-classmateenoseb :(11:46
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_3oo3can quispiam relatum mihi ut pizza peruro?11:49
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_3oo3EGO sum unfamiliar per is cella. Quam operor vos utor restruum.11:50
ion_English, please.11:51
ion_Contrary to the common misconception, not everyone on the Internet speaks your native language.11:51
azeemplus latin isn't very common as a native language these days11:52
mc44_3oo3 is a troll11:53
ogra-classmatemc44: but unlikely the most others that seems to be an educated one :)11:54
mc44ogra-classmate: we have a higher standard of troll in the ubuntu community :D11:54
pochumc44: lol :)11:54
ogra-classmateright *g*11:54
Amaranthdude is that latin?11:54
pochuIt is.11:55
ajmitchas said about 5 minutes ago, yes11:55
ajmitchor some form similar 11:55
Amaranthif i read everything said on IRC i wouldn't have time for anything else :P11:55
_3oo3Est illic a channel pro latin orator?11:55
azeemAmaranth: just ignore everybody but me11:56
_3oo3mc44: quis?11:56
Keybuksodomy non sapiens11:56
_3oo3Keybuk: quam rudis11:56
_3oo3est illic a #ubuntu-dev_ln?11:57
ajmitchif you're that bored, you can translate some stuff on rosetta into latin11:57
pochuDo we have latin lang-packs?11:58
ajmitchpochu: yes11:58
ajmitchthe translation is rather incomplete11:58
ogra-classmateonly for cds , iso-latin-111:59
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_3oo3quare mos nemo succurro mihi?12:00
Keybukdragostea din tei12:02
_3oo3Deus Frendo vos omnis!12:02
ion_Babelfish doesnt support Latin. I want my money back!12:02
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