[12:12] <jmg> an ftp
[12:14] <beuno> theirs no official mirror in Argentina, and I was wondering if there was any requieremnts
[12:14] <LaserJock> anybody know if you have to have a core-dev OK a sync request of a Main package?
[12:14] <beuno> (as in bandwidth, for example)
[12:15] <jmg> http://debcentral.org/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=6&start=120
[12:16] <beuno> jmg: so just setup the mirror, and publish it on the wiki?
[12:17] <Nafallo> beuno: #ubuntu-mirrors is probably a better place to ask. but I'd guess most people are asleep now.
[12:17] <beuno> Nafallo: right, didn't know that even existed, I'll hang around there, thanks!
[12:18] <pochu> LaserJock: the wiki page says any core should, yes. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[12:18] <Nafallo> np :-). would be good to have one I think :-)
[12:19] <beuno> Nafallo: I've got a 10mbit connection available and some hardware, I'm just not sure if it will sufice  :D
[12:19] <Nafallo> hehe, not me either, but I live in Sweden :-)
[12:19] <ajmitch> morning
[12:20] <Nafallo> we have atleast three gigabit sites and the official at 2gbit :-P
[12:20] <beuno> Nafallo: heh, I don't see anything even remotely close being available here  :(
[12:21] <Nafallo> indeed. but Sweden has fiber everywhere so... :-)
[12:29] <TheMuso> Hey all.
[12:29] <ajmitch> hey TheMuso 
[12:32] <Lutin> hey TheMuso 
[01:44] <Hobbsee> morning all
[01:44] <ajmitch> hey Hobbsee 
[01:44] <jmg> hi
[01:44] <ScottK> Good morning Hobbsee
[01:44] <TheMuso> Heya Hobbsee, ScottK.
[01:45] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:45] <ScottK> Hello TheMuso
[01:46] <TheMuso> grrr!!
[01:47] <ajmitch> hm, almost lunchtime already
[01:47] <ScottK> If anyone from the Australia/NZ contigent is up for it, I put the "almost builds" edition of clamav-alt up on REVU... http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5254
[01:47] <jmg> ajmitch: yes
[01:47] <ajmitch> the morning goes fast when you only get into work at 9:30
[01:47] <ajmitch> (and was up until nearly 4am)
[01:47] <jmg> ajmitch: were
[01:47] <ajmitch> pirates of the caribbean 3 wasn't too bad
[01:48] <ScottK> Was it better than #2?
[01:48] <ajmitch> ScottK: yeah, I think so
[01:48] <ajmitch> it was long though
[01:48] <jmg> did they leave it open for pirates4?
[01:49] <ajmitch> jmg: oh yes
[01:49] <ScottK> Did it have an actual ending as opposed to we're just pausing in the story for a moment?
[01:49] <ajmitch> ScottK: thankfully it did, but it was still left open
[01:49] <ScottK> Of course.  It has to be left open.
[01:50] <ajmitch> so it would work just having 3 movies, rather than the 1 & 1/2 that we did have
[01:50] <ajmitch> since this one was nearly 3 hours
[01:50] <ScottK> Any opinion on the violence level compared to #2?  #2 was IMO marginal for my 13 year old to go to.
[01:50] <ajmitch> fairly violent
[01:51] <ajmitch> not too much blood & guts though
[01:51] <ajmitch> yay, ia32-libs conflict
[01:51] <tritium> ajmitch: you've already seen 3?
[01:51] <tritium> It's not even open here yet!
[01:51] <ajmitch> tritium: I'm in NZ, of course
[01:52] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: it shouldnt be today..
[01:52] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Right.
[01:52] <ajmitch> saw it at midnight
[01:52] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: however, i've been using it extensively in the past few days
[01:53] <TheMuso> Interesting... I can't seem to connect. Its just sitting there doing nothing.
[01:54] <TheMuso> bah! Conection timed out!
[01:55] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i was having slight problems with that yesterday too - not sure if he's torrenting or something
[01:55] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Right.
[01:55] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i'm thinking it's delayed
[01:55] <TheMuso> Are all these net oddities a coincidence?
[01:56] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: possibly
[01:56] <Hobbsee> some of kde stuff has come back delayed
[01:56] <ajmitch> launchpad slow, or just the mailserver?
[01:58] <LaserJock> hmm, 144 updates for my sarge box
[02:00] <Ademan> anyone familiar with frostwire?  is there an itp for that or what?
[02:09] <PriceChild> Any motu's willing to take a look over http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5249 ? persia mentioned "special attention to the copyright provisions and the compliance with python policy." would be good :)
[02:13] <fernando> hey all
[02:13] <Hobbsee> hiya
[02:18] <popey> moo
[02:19] <welshbyte> This channel does not have supercow powers
[02:19] <joejaxx> :P
[02:19] <Hobbsee> hi popey 
[02:19] <joejaxx> welshbyte: how can it not? we use apt
[02:19] <jmg> -vvvvvvvv moo
[02:20] <popey> :)
[02:20] <LaserJock> I don't suppose there is anybody with a gutsy amd64 pbuilder and a fast connection around?
[02:20] <welshbyte> :)
[02:21] <tritium> LaserJock: I intend to set one up very soon
[02:21] <tritium> (maybe this weekend)
[02:22] <LaserJock> that's not soon enough :-)
[02:22] <tritium> heh, sorry ;)
[02:22] <LaserJock> I need one NOW!
[02:23] <LaserJock> well, I think I'll just do this without
[02:23] <LaserJock> there's still plenty of time to fix Main packages I break, right?
[02:23] <LaserJock> ;-)
[02:23] <joejaxx> LaserJock: last resort: qemu-x64 
[02:23] <welshbyte> LaserJock: sure, while you're fixing the rest of them ;)
[02:23] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: StevenK's at home, else i''d suggest him.
[02:24] <Hobbsee> er, at work
[02:24] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: imbrandon's aurora is i386, right?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: what do you need to do?
[02:26] <LaserJock> well, I'm doing a merge of gcompris
[02:26] <LaserJock> and one of the ubuntu changes was to fix a python 64bit problem
[02:26] <LaserJock> I'm basically positive that it's fixed in the new Debian version
[02:27] <LaserJock> but I still feel a tad silly saying "Yep, builds fine on my i386" ;-)
[02:27] <LaserJock> it's not a big deal though
[02:28] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: put the sources somewhere, and i can get it to build on StevenK's machine
[02:28] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: (being that he cant/wont add people whne he's not at home)
[02:29] <LaserJock> is bandwidth a concern for him?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: local mirror
[02:30] <LaserJock> well, it's a debian package
[02:30] <LaserJock> .orig.tar.gz is ~100MB
[02:30] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[02:30] <micahcowan> Is there any reason why I shouldn't have my soruces.list deb lines point at feisty, while my deb-src lines point at gutsy? If I'm patching stuff, I'll typically want to pull the latter.
[02:30] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: do you think that'd be ok?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> not sure
[02:35] <StevenK> My mirror doesn't have sources, due to hard drive concerns.
[02:35] <StevenK> However, downloading 100Mb is fine. Uploading on the other hand ...
[02:35] <LaserJock> I just need to know if it builds
[02:36] <StevenK> I can do it if Hobbsee doesn't want to.
[02:36] <LaserJock> dget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcompris/gcompris_8.3.1-3.dsc
[02:36] <LaserJock> ^^ is what I need
[02:55] <StevenK> LaserJock: Builds fine.
[02:55] <StevenK> LaserJock: On amd64, at least.
[03:22] <hewhocutsdown> wow, the MOTU/Documentation is kinda daunting
[03:23] <Hobbsee> hewhocutsdown: it's gotten better, but it's still bad, yes.
[03:24] <hewhocutsdown> it doesn't look too hard, but it's just a lot all at once *chuckles*
[03:24] <Hobbsee> heh, true
[03:25] <hewhocutsdown> i'm fairly failure with Linux/Ubuntu, but I haven't ever delved this deep into package creation; I've built some of my own programs from source on occasion, but the times I've gotten stuck I've eventually given up and waited for a package
[03:25] <hewhocutsdown> heh heh.. I've been reading the MOTU-Schools/Mentoring pages as well
[03:25] <hewhocutsdown> what kind of commitment [time wise, after initial learning]  does it usually take for managing a package?
[03:26] <crimsun> the only documentation you need is /msg Hobbsee help!
[03:26] <LaserJock> hah
[03:26] <crimsun> before you try Hobbsee, however, /msg LaserJock help!
[03:26] <hewhocutsdown> *laughs* I'm sure he loves that
[03:26] <LaserJock> crimsun: doh
[03:26] <nixternal> haha
[03:26] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:26] <LaserJock> StevenK: thanks
[03:26] <nixternal> double haha
[03:27] <LaserJock> mwuahahaha
[03:27] <nixternal> you caught that I see
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hewhocutsdown: just updating the apckage, dealing with the bugs
[03:29] <hewhocutsdown> hmmm... I've been lurking/submitting bug reports on the Thoggen-devel list, and there's been some updates in upstream versions of gst-plugins-ugly and theora-tools that greatly enhance use on thoggen
[03:30] <hewhocutsdown> I started with wanting to install them myself, but I figured it may be better for all if I sit down and learn package creation and work it that way
[03:30] <hewhocutsdown> does that sound like a reasonable idea, or am I coming at things the wrong way around?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> sounds reasonable to me
[03:31] <crimsun> oh, how "just updating...dealing with..bugs" is a euphemism
[03:31] <crimsun> oops, I sound like a bitter old man
[03:33] <hewhocutsdown> how would I figure out if someone is already working on it?
[03:33] <Burgundavia> thoggen or gstreamer?
[03:34] <ajmitch> crimsun: not bitter at all
[03:34] <ajmitch> crimsun: I didn't realise you were doing a 3 year world tour of fame
[03:34] <PriceChild> I'm looking for a second advocate of gizmod at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5249 Anyone free to take a look?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: ajmitch is volunteering
[03:36] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: you are pure evil
[03:36] <hewhocutsdown> either, really
[03:36] <Burgundavia> right
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: i'm the purely evil, sexy psycopathic bitch from au, thankyouverymuch.
[03:36] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: haha 
[03:36] <Burgundavia> wow
[03:37] <hewhocutsdown> au? whereabouts?
[03:37] <joejaxx> Lol
[03:37] <Hobbsee> hewhocutsdown: sydney
[03:37] <hewhocutsdown> I was in Baulkham Hills for 2003-2004
[03:37] <persia> Hobbsee: You need to be careful.  Soon your adjective and extra clause list will exceeed the buffer :)
[03:37] <Hobbsee> ah yes.  near me. 
[03:37] <Hobbsee> persia: heh
[03:37] <Burgundavia> hewhocutsdown: for the gstreamer stuff, you need slomo
[03:37] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: sorry, not volunteering
[03:38] <hewhocutsdown> the person, or a package I'm unaware of?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: you will address me with my full title.
[03:38] <joejaxx> hewhocutsdown: person
[03:38] <Burgundavia> hewhocutsdown: slomo is also the last uploader of thoggen
[03:38] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you dont need to volunteer.  you were assigned.
[03:38] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: it is the draft now? :P
[03:39] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you wanted to be core-dev, right?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: sorry?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you already are, so you must lead by example.
[03:39] <hewhocutsdown> ok, I'll track slomo down
[03:39] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I do - I delegate
[03:39] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I reject that statement, it was sexist!
[03:39] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: oh maybe they only have that in america :\
[03:39] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i delegate more.
[03:39] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: you know, your "bad girl" image really doesn't work so much on people who know you ;-)
[03:39] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: well, my delegation overrules your delegation
[03:39] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:39] <nixternal> haha LaserJock 
[03:40] <Burgundavia> hewhocutsdown: one thing that would rock is thoggen ported to gstreamer 0.10. In general try and do as much work upstream as possible
[03:40] <ajmitch> LaserJock: she didn't poke you much, did she?
[03:40] <hewhocutsdown> ??? it already uses it
[03:40] <hewhocutsdown> the fix I was trying to add is in 0.10.1
[03:40] <Burgundavia> ahh
[03:40] <joejaxx> popey: the cdimage is 188MB
[03:41] <Burgundavia> hewhocutsdown: have you checked to see if the needed version of the gstreamer plugin is in gutsy yet?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i dont remember LaserJock complaining of sore ribs, no
[03:41] <hewhocutsdown> gutsy....that's the devel version of ubuntu, correct?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:41] <hewhocutsdown> the perpetually devel
[03:41] <Burgundavia> no, the current devel
[03:41] <Burgundavia> there is perpetual devel for Ubunt
[03:42] <Burgundavia> wow, I guess that jsut leaves me
[03:42] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: You thought of trademarking that? :p
[03:42] <ajmitch> a shame there's no pool handy
[03:43] <Hobbsee> you didtn throw me in it even when there was one
[03:43] <ajmitch> I know, it's quite a pit
[03:43] <ajmitch> s/pit/pity/
[03:43] <hewhocutsdown> thoggen is at the same version in feisty and gutsy
[03:43] <Hobbsee> good thing decent people stopped you
[03:43] <hewhocutsdown> both using gstream 0.10
[03:43] <Burgundavia> hewhocutsdown: ok
[03:44] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: they did?
[03:44] <hewhocutsdown> how did you find slomo? I'm looking through packages.ubuntu.com and can't see any connection to a maintainer
[03:44] <ajmitch> I don't recall anyone leaping to your aid
[03:44] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i seem to remember the glare of doom from tollef made you stop
[03:44] <joejaxx> ROFL
[03:44] <Burgundavia> hewhocutsdown: slomo hangs out here often
[03:44] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/~slomo
[03:44] <ajmitch> nah
[03:44] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: *grin*
[03:44] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: :D
[03:45] <Burgundavia> the ubuntu-desktop list might also be a good place to start
[03:45] <TheMuso> joejaxx: If you need sdome defence next time, I'll lend you my specially re-enforced cane.
[03:45] <Hobbsee> bah
[03:45] <TheMuso> I always manage to fend off Hobbsee with that.
[03:45] <Hobbsee> your puny cane
[03:45] <joejaxx> lol
[03:45] <TheMuso> That never works.
[03:46] <Hobbsee> sure it does!
[03:46] <Hobbsee> but it would require coming to slug again
[03:46] <TheMuso> See!!!!!!!1
[03:46] <TheMuso> Never works!!!!!
[03:46] <hewhocutsdown> ok
[03:46] <TheMuso> oh... And it would require me going to SLUG again
[03:47] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Shame on you!
[03:47] <Burgundavia> hewhocutsdown: chase me down if you cannot find slomo
[03:47] <hewhocutsdown> will do
[03:48] <joejaxx> :\
[03:48] <persia> joejaxx: The first is free :)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> s/lug/heckler/
[03:48] <cas3> do the repos have packetfence in it yet?
[03:48] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: :P
[03:49] <Hobbsee> cas3: no
[03:49] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: That was funny.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison packetfence
[03:49] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$
[03:49] <crimsun> lies, her real name is Bob.
[03:49] <cas3> Hobbsee: is there any reason why or just no one has gotten around to it?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> cas3: "because no one has put it in there"
[03:49] <TheMuso> cas3: Is it in Debian?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> and probably wont, unless tehy're interested in it
[03:50] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: no
[03:50] <joejaxx> crimsun: its Ees Bboh
[03:50] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[03:50] <cas3> thanks for the info
[03:50] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: what about apt-cache policy <package> ? :(
[03:51] <joejaxx> well actually
[03:51] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: that works too.  apt-cache madison shows more info.  well, of the kind that you want
[03:51] <joejaxx> that would mean you have to have all the components enabled
[03:51] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: ah ok
[03:51] <Hobbsee> true
[03:51] <Hobbsee> although that doesnt output the component, ie main, universe
[03:52] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Yes it does.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> oh wait, yes it does
[03:52] <Hobbsee> kdenetwork | 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu9 | feisty/universe | all
[03:52] <Hobbsee> looks wrong, though
[03:53] <Hobbsee> uh...
[03:53] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison kdenetwork
[03:53] <Hobbsee> kdenetwork | 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages
[03:53] <Hobbsee> kdenetwork | 4:3.5.6-2ubuntu1 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au gutsy/universe Packages
[03:53] <Hobbsee> kdenetwork | 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Sources
[03:53] <Hobbsee> i wonder why kdenetwork binary is in universe
[03:54] <ajmitch> why wouldn't it be?
[03:54] <ajmitch> it's not like you need it
[03:54] <Hobbsee> thought it was a dep of k-d
[03:55] <Hobbsee> seems so
[03:58] <hewhocutsdown> thanks for all the input; it water feels a little less murky and threatening. I'll try and get ahold of slomo or I'll talk to you, Burgundavia. All the best
[03:58] <hewhocutsdown> *the waters
[03:58] <Burgundavia> no worries
[04:05] <hendrixski> oh no, I think I made a boo boo with my pgp key
[04:13] <crimsun> PriceChild: under what license is gizmod-3.1/scripts/* distributed?
[04:13] <hendrixski> my account on launchpad was for a different address than I had my pgp key for
[04:13] <hendrixski> what should I do?
[04:14] <crimsun> PriceChild: excluding the references in gizmod-3.1/debian/copyright for gizmod-3.1/scripts/*
[04:14] <Hobbsee> hendrixski: use gpg --edit-key, and add the LP address, or change the address on LP
[04:14] <persia> hendrixski: You can either add you email on your key to launchpad, or add your email in launchpad to your key.
[04:14] <PriceChild> crimsun, the .py's will be Tim's and apache2'd afaik because they contain nothing else in the file.
[04:15] <crimsun> PriceChild: it seems a bit odd that the APL v2.0 boilerplate isn't in said .pys
[04:16] <PriceChild> crimsun, agreed...
[04:16] <PriceChild> crimsun, but they're all gizmod stuff and tim's work afaict
[04:16] <hendrixski> persia, oh, so I can just change my address and have launchpad re-send the verification email?
[04:16] <hendrixski> that won't break anything?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hendrixski: yep
[04:17] <persia> hendrixski: I think you have to not only add the address, but set it as preferred, but yes.
[04:17] <crimsun> PriceChild: that is my assumption, too, but the archive admins are not as forgiving
[04:17] <hendrixski> for a second I thought I totally messed everything up
[04:18] <crimsun> PriceChild: to be safe, please clarify with Tim under what license they're distributed
[04:18] <PriceChild> crimsun, what do you suggest then... ask Tim to release a source with all of those with the apache2 boilerplates? State that they're all his in /debian/copyright?
[04:18] <PriceChild> right ok
[04:18] <PriceChild> He's on holiday atm so will do that when he gets back at the weekend :)
[04:18] <PriceChild> Thanks crimsun 
[04:21] <crimsun> np
[04:21] <hendrixski> persia, Hobbsee also another quick question... I can use that one PGP key on several mail accounts? or do I need a separate key per email account that I want to have encryption on?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> nope, you can add as many emails to that key as you like
[04:22] <persia> hendrixski: You can have one key.  Hobbsee gave you the command to add email addresses earlier.
[04:22] <hendrixski> oh... the edit-key thing right right... misunderstood that one
[04:23] <Hobbsee> gpg stuff is confusing.
[04:24] <StevenK> GPG stuff is very confusing at first. When you've dealt with it for a little while, it starts to make a wierd kind of sense.
[04:25] <crimsun> same can be said for alsa.
[04:25] <crimsun> so...hobbsee...
[04:25] <crimsun> :-)
[04:25] <Hobbsee> yes, crimsun?
[04:25] <StevenK> crimsun: Don't give ALSA to Hobbsee, she's insane enough.
[04:26] <StevenK> Heh
[04:27] <StevenK> Just grep for my name in the alsa-driver changelog...
[04:31] <hendrixski> Hobbsee, yeah... very confusing: so I typed in gpg --edit-key it sais I need to specify option, I check the man page and it looks like the option I'm looking for is adduid... but that doesn't seem to do anything when I type it in
[04:31] <hendrixski> aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrggggggggggg
[04:32] <Hobbsee> adduid sounds right, last i checked
[04:33] <hendrixski> that's what I thought... which is why I'm surprised that it just prints out "this is free software" and then closes
[04:34] <StevenK> hendrixski: gpg --edit-key <keyid>
[04:36] <ajmitch> sigh, why can't people on forums learn to file bugs?
[04:36] <StevenK> Because they're forum users.
[04:36] <ajmitch> obviously
[04:37] <hendrixski> StevenK, oh, I must have mis-typed my key the previous time..  it worked :-)
[04:38] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: because teh forums are The World.
[04:39] <hendrixski> ajmitch, hey I'm still a forum user... and I'm just now learning how to file bugs, and use launchpad, and all that good stuff
[04:39] <hendrixski> (and package, and digitally sign things, woot)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> hendrixski: but you've made the most important step
[04:40] <ajmitch> hendrixski: at least you try & file bugs
[04:40] <Hobbsee> hendrixski: realising that there's a world of ubuntu outside of the forums, which will often let you contribute to more people's experience than the forums do.
[04:40] <ajmitch> hendrixski: it's irritating to have to wade through forum threads to find out about a problem that should be in the bug tracker
[04:41] <hendrixski> Hobbsee, ajmitch I found out about bug filing and stuff on the forums
[04:41] <ajmitch> yes
[04:41] <hendrixski> and... practically everything else I learned about ubuntu up to this point.
[04:41] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:41] <ajmitch> but some people just don't see the notices there about how to file a bug & just put a forum thread up anyway
[04:41] <Hobbsee> hendrixski: yes - there's been a push to replicate someof the info over there, to get people off the forums, and put them into more useful endeavours
[04:42] <Hobbsee> i mean, the forums are useful to a point - and then you're just treading water.
[04:42] <SlimG> Is the priority in DEBIAN/control of a game "optional" or "extra" ?
[04:42] <hendrixski> Hobbsee, you're very right!  They're a great starting point.  But as I know more and more, I post there less and less
[04:42] <Hobbsee> exactly
[04:42] <PriceChild> hendrixski++
[04:42] <persia> SlimG: optional unless is breaks something else, then extra.
[04:43] <hendrixski> ++ ?
[04:43] <SlimG> thanks persia!
[04:43] <Hobbsee> hendrixski: i mean, by the time you can search for any answer you'll ever want on the forums, there's no net-benefit in posting there
[04:43] <Hobbsee> because everything can be found with a search
[04:43] <Hobbsee> hendrixski: means "i agree with you"
[04:43] <hendrixski> ah
[04:43] <Hobbsee> hendrixski: like hendrixski +1
[04:43] <Hobbsee> (used in c++ and such)
[04:44] <hendrixski> yeah.  The search feature on the forums is pretty useful.  And has never in history been used by anyone with a bean count of less than 50
[04:44] <persia> Hobbsee: C++ is "more than C".  +1 is newer.  Unless I'm confused, and you really like C?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> hendrixski: heh.  i probablyhave that.
[04:45] <Hobbsee> or did have
[04:46] <TheMuso> I am able to work out what a function does/where other functions are from that it calls, given well written code and comments.
[04:46] <persia> TheMuso: The easiest way is to grep -r `/usr/include $myfunction`
[04:47] <TheMuso> persia: Thats what I do, if the function is not within the projet itself.
[04:47] <persia> with the ` in the right place :)
[04:47] <TheMuso> project
[04:48] <TheMuso> Oh, and those **variables confuse me also.
[04:48] <TheMuso> I understand pointers, but those confuse me.
[04:49] <ajmitch> hendrixski: hey now, I have a bean count < 50 :)
[04:50] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:50] <Hobbsee> then they close the threads :)
[04:50] <ajmitch> a shining example of the developer community
[04:50] <hendrixski> ajmitch, I meant to say that nobody who'se new to the scene uses that
[04:51] <Hobbsee> like "i really cant see the point in this thread being open, as still no one has actually volunteered to do the work.  if they do, please write to <insert ML here> with plans, to see if there's anyone willing to help out"
[04:51] <hendrixski> like... the first couple of times I posted I was like "oh, this is kind of like a replacement for googling, right?"
[04:51] <Hobbsee> <close thread>
[04:51] <PriceChild> I like those posts Hobbsee 
[04:51] <Hobbsee> :D
[04:51] <PriceChild> there's nothing "only" about them
[04:51] <PriceChild> The more they're told the more will listen.
[04:52] <hendrixski> :-( evolution keeps crashing :-(
[04:53] <superm1> Is there any way for dpatch to represent a binary file change?
[04:53] <superm1> say a png?
[04:54] <persia> superm1: Not really.  The best way is to include foo.png.uu, and uudecode it during the build.
[04:54] <superm1> yick, but i guess it will have to do :)
[04:54] <persia> superm1: Also, for many uses of .png, you can get by with .xpm, which isn't binary :)
[04:55] <superm1> well i'm not sure if this plugin can support xpm (i'm patching mythweather) 
[04:55] <hendrixski> YAY!!!!!! I got my key on launchpad!!!
[04:55] <persia> superm1: Hence "many".  you'll probably have to uuencode in that case.
[04:55] <superm1> yup
[04:55] <superm1> thanks persia 
[04:55] <hendrixski> Now... Launchpad can see the other email address that I have on my pgp key, but can anyone else?
[04:56] <persia> hendrixski: What's your LP ID?
[04:56] <ajmitch> your key is public, so yes
[04:56] <persia> sorry - misread.  I thought the other address on LP.
[04:58] <hendrixski> oh... if that's my business addres... should I assume that nobody would care enough to email me on it once they see my launchpad email, or should I consider getting a separate key for that address?
[05:16] <leonel> good night everyone !
[06:20] <inrs> hi
[06:20] <inrs> i need some help with ndiswrapper
[06:21] <inrs> i don't have internet connection and i need to install the graphical tool: ndisgtk i think
[06:22] <Hobbsee> i think you want #ubuntu
[06:22] <inrs> Hi
[06:22] <inrs> is there someone here?
[06:23] <persia> inrs: Your exit missed the response to your question.  For support requests, #ubuntu is the appropriate channel.
[06:24] <inrs> :)
[06:24] <inrs> sorry
[06:24] <hendrixski> inrs, or #ubuntu-offtopic in case #ubuntu is too active
[06:25] <inrs> ah ok
[06:25] <inrs> but ndiswrapper is a universe package, no?
[06:25] <inrs> this is not the place for universe support?
[06:25] <inrs> Thanks
[06:26] <persia> Hobbsee: Did you ever get started with your U-U-S process documentation?  I'm planning to put up a wiki page for review prior to the meeting, and would like to capture anything you've done so far.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> persia: i didnt.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> i'm slack
[06:26] <persia> Hobbsee: OK.  Thanks.  I won't be duplicating your work then :)
[06:26] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:11] <Hobbsee> hwy so?
[07:11] <TheMuso> They die at the most spectacular and bad times.
[07:11] <TheMuso> sorry, they die in a spectacular fashion, at bad times.
[07:11] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[07:12] <TheMuso> I've just had a DVD-ROM drive die on me while being used, and it won't read CD or DVD media of any kind.
[07:12] <StevenK> [   50.111826]  scsi 0:0:0:0: CD-ROM            PIONEER  DVD-RW  DVR-109  1.01 PQ
[07:12] <StevenK> : 0 ANSI: 5
[07:12] <StevenK> Hrm. I thought it was an LG. Okay, then.
[07:13] <TheMuso> StevenK: Thats what I have now, but still had LG devices.
[07:13] <TheMuso> s/had/have/
[07:13] <TheMuso> The only LG optical drive that hasn't died, is a burner from a family member's old machine.
[07:13] <TheMuso> And that is a CD burner.
[07:15] <Burgundavia> I keep my hardware alive by never using it
[07:16] <jmg> heh
[07:16] <slomo> Burgundavia: what exactly did this hewhocutsdown guy want from me? :)
[07:16] <jmg> is that how you keep your penis alive?
[07:16] <jmg> *duck*
[07:16] <Burgundavia> he wanted to work on thoggen and thus gstreamer
[07:17] <slomo> Burgundavia: sounds good... what exactly did he think of?
[07:17] <Burgundavia> he was just a little bit lost as to who to contact and how to begin
[07:17] <Burgundavia> so we spent some time figuring out exactly what he wanted to do and thus who to contact
[07:18] <StevenK> Burgundavia: So when are you going to get your brother onto IRC? :-P
[07:19] <Hobbsee> madpilot?
[07:19] <Burgundavia> next time you get kicked by Madpilot, I will answer that question :)
[07:19] <StevenK> Oh.
[07:19] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:19] <Burgundavia> and then you protest to the CC
[07:19] <Burgundavia> where I rule against you in a giant cabal of relatives
[07:19] <Burgundavia> :)
[07:20] <StevenK> He doesn't frequent here or -devel, which are the two I do.
[07:20] <Burgundavia> anyway, enough evil planning for tonight
[07:20] <ajmitch> there can never be enough
[07:20] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: fix some bugs, now.
[07:21] <Burgundavia> need to wash the dishes
[07:21] <Burgundavia> gf said I needed to
[07:22] <Burgundavia> but first I want to play with this powertop stuff
[07:24] <Burgundavia> nah, spit it out
[07:25] <Burgundavia> back in a flash
[07:27] <Hobbsee> no, no, i'm sure i shouldnt
[07:29] <Seveas> Hobbsee, now you can :)
[07:30] <StevenK> Seveas: Are you still elmo-coloured?
[08:00] <jussi01> good morning motu's
[08:00] <jussi01> hello Hobbsee!!
[08:00] <Hobbsee> hi jussi01!
[08:01] <jussi01> I have a question, Im using cdbs, but it doesnt seem to pick up my man pages, anyone have anyideas why?/how to fix?
[08:02] <jussi01> Fujitsu: am i really that boring...
[08:02] <jussi01> ??
[08:02] <Hobbsee> we're keeping you up, are we Fujitsu?
[08:02] <jussi01> :P
[08:02] <Fujitsu> No, just returned from talking to an architect at school. Booooooooooring.
[08:02] <jussi01> lol
[08:03] <Fujitsu> But at least it means we'll likely get sane network cabling when the school is refurbished.
[08:03] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:03] <jussi01> :P
[08:03] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: is this for careers day, or?
[08:04] <Fujitsu> No, it's for the plans for the school refurbishment. It seems I was deemed most qualified to talk to the architect about network cabling throughout the campus.
[08:04] <jussi01> heh...
[08:04] <Hobbsee> ahhh....right...
[08:04] <Hobbsee> then you say "give us free wifi, and ignore the cabling"
[08:05] <Fujitsu> Sure, wifi for 200 PCs.
[08:05] <Fujitsu> We do have wifi, but mostly for staff.
[08:05] <Hobbsee> awww
[08:05] <Hobbsee> ours didnt at all
[08:06] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <Fujitsu> The Department of Education rolled it out to all Victorian schools a couple of years back.
[08:06] <Fujitsu> Hi dholbach.
[08:06] <jussi01> good morning dholbach
[08:06] <Hobbsee> neat...
[08:06] <dholbach> hey Fujitsu, hey jussi01
[08:06] <jussi01> Fujitsu: you in Oz??
[08:06] <Fujitsu> jussi01: Right.
[08:06] <jussi01> where in vic?
[08:06] <Fujitsu> Eastern suburbs of Melbourne.
[08:07] <minghua> jussi01: do you have a debian/<package>.manpages file?
[08:07] <jussi01> minghua: yes
[08:08] <minghua> jussi01: no idea then, CDBS is black magic to me
[08:08] <jussi01> minghua: yeah
[08:08] <jussi01> minghua: its python....
[08:08] <jussi01> :D
[08:08] <Hobbsee> and cdbs documentation, if it still exists
[08:08] <jussi01> Hobbsee: looked at the doc... no help...
[08:09] <jussi01> do you have a reccomendation for a cdbs package to look at?
[08:09] <StevenK> I note that wireless didn't exist when I was in high school...
[08:09] <Hobbsee> StevenK: yes, but you're old and decrepit.
[08:09] <jussi01> lol
[08:09] <minghua> poor StevenK
[08:09] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Hah
[08:10] <minghua> we didn't even have internet when I was in high school
[08:10] <jussi01> [09:09]  * Hobbsee runs ???? where is your pointy stick?
[08:10] <persia> StevenK: Are you sure?  Data transfer via radio is fairly old (albeit at rates starting as low as 10 baud).
[08:10] <StevenK> persia: Okay, I mean 802.11{a,b}
[08:10] <highvolt1ge> packet radio!
[08:11] <jussi01> hehehe
[08:11] <dholbach> heya highvolt1ge
[08:11] <jussi01> you guys are old... :P
[08:11] <highvolt1ge> hey dholbach 
[08:11] <highvolt1ge> and viviersf 
[08:12] <Hobbsee> "messages via dinasour"
[08:12] <viviersf> lo highvolt1ge 
[08:13] <StevenK> Nah, it would have been "OSI over dinosaur transport"
[08:20] <persia> I've put an intiial draft for U-U-S Processing up at w.u.c/MOTU/SandBox/UniverseSponsorsQueue.  Could anyone suggest where the page really belongs?  I'd like to link to it in the agenda (but Sandbox rules prohibit this).  Also, let me know if there are any issues: I'd like to get it approved tomorrow.  Thank you.
[08:22] <StevenK> persia: I'd argue that untargeted bug should be for the latest development.
[08:23] <StevenK> Mainly because it requires a -core-dev to approve targeted bugs.
[08:23] <persia> StevenK: I agree with that.  What wording do you suggest for contributor note #2
[08:23] <persia> Hobbsee: Great!  What?
[08:25] <StevenK> persia: Not sure.
[08:25] <StevenK> persia: patch -p0 or -p1, I'd suggest
[08:25] <persia> StevenK: OK.  If I can make it clearer, I'll clean it up.  Otherwise, we can collect consensus at the meeting.
[08:25] <StevenK> persia: In-process -> In Progress
[08:25] <Hobbsee> the most recent revision should probalby add that it's of the development release
[08:26] <persia> StevenK: Ah, right, -p1 for native packages.
[08:26] <Hobbsee> patch is uaully used with -p1
[08:26] <persia> Hobbsee: OK.
[08:26] <StevenK> I agree with Hobbsee -p1 is more "normal"
[08:26] <persia> That needs to run inside the package directory, right?
[08:26] <StevenK> Does sync have to be in capitials?
[08:26] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:27] <StevenK> persia: I will usually do patch -p1 ../debdiff
[08:27] <persia> SYNC -> sync
[08:27] <Hobbsee> it seems like a lot of red tape, tbh.  will have to look more later
[08:27] <StevenK> persia: That way if I screw up, the debdiff doesn't turn up in the .diff.gz
[08:27] <StevenK> Hobbsee: It doesn't to me. It looks like documenting what we already do.
[08:27] <Hobbsee> true
[08:28] <persia> StevenK: OK.  `I'll suggest patch -p1 < ../debdiff` rather than `patch -p0 < debdiff`
[08:28] <StevenK> Great.
[08:28] <persia> Hobbsee: There is some red tape, but we've had a couple collisions recently, and I'd like to avoid those.
[08:28] <StevenK> persia: Good work, it looks good for a first stab.
[08:29] <Hobbsee> t does!
[08:29] <Hobbsee> persia: i've filed a bug about that, yes
[08:29] <persia> OK.  Back to my primary question: Where does this page belong.
[08:29] <persia> Hobbsee: :)
[08:30] <StevenK> persia: MOTU/Sponsoring/SponsorsQueue ?
[08:30] <persia> StevenK: Thanks.  I'll put it there.
[08:30] <StevenK> Maybe it's MOTU/Sponsorship, I'm not sure.
[08:30] <Hobbsee> i'd think the latter
[08:31] <persia> OK.  It will become MOTU/Sponsorship/SponsorsQueue once I clean up the spelling, capitalisation,  and patch testing recommendation.
[08:33] <StevenK> Sounds good to me.
[08:35] <LaserJock> man I hate LPs changelog handling
[08:36] <Hobbsee> it shows the full changelog now, doesnt ti?
[08:40] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I don't see it
[08:40] <LaserJock> but it's supposed
[08:41] <Hobbsee> ahh
[08:41] <Hobbsee> it's in a fiddly location
[08:41] <Hobbsee> go into the release, and find it that awy, iirc
[08:56] <mumbly> hello !
[08:57] <jussi01> hi mumbly
[08:58] <jussi01> if the rules file is missing a separator, what am i actually missing?
[08:58] <jussi01> nm, i figured it...
[09:17] <jussi01> ok, am i missing a build dep or something?
[09:17] <jussi01> dh_installman -pmnemosyne
[09:17] <jussi01> .": No such file or directory at /usr/bin/dh_installman line 120.
[09:19] <crimsun> please post your source package somewhere.
[09:20] <persia> jussi01: That usually means that dh_installman cannot find the files you specified.  You might want `dh_installmanpages -ppackagename` instead.
[09:20] <StevenK> persia: dh_installmanpages is deprecated in favour of dh_installman
[09:21] <persia> StevenK: Ah.  My understanding was the opposite.  Thanks
[09:21] <persia> jussi01: Ignore what I previously said.
[09:21] <jussi01> persia: StevenK, its cdbs black magic, i have debian/mnemosyne.manpages. Im a little unsure of how to proceed
[09:22] <StevenK> What's in debian/mnemosyne.manpages?
[09:22] <jussi01> StevenK: the manpages file i created
[09:22] <crimsun> can you pastebin it?  (That's why I was asking you to post the source package earlier.)
[09:23] <StevenK> jussi01: What's *in*, not what *is*. :-P
[09:23] <jussi01> sure: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22265/
[09:23] <jussi01> StevenK: :P
[09:24] <StevenK> jussi01: .manpages shouldn't be a manual page itself.
[09:24] <StevenK> jussi01: .manpages should be a list of files to install as manual pages.
[09:24] <jussi01> StevenK: ahhh.... I just remembered..
[09:24] <jussi01> gotcha
[09:26] <jussi01> Ive been struggling wit this for several days, and it turns out something stupidly basic. Thanks a million StevenK persia crimsun
[09:26] <crimsun> np.
[09:27] <StevenK> jussi01: You'll never ever forget, now. :-)
[09:27] <jussi01> hehe, StevenK your right...
[09:43] <jussi01> ok, i uploded a copy to revu: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5257 its still giving me that error. maybe someone could have a look?
[09:50] <persia> jussi01: Try using the syntax debian/mnemosyne.1 in debian/mnemosyne.manpages
[09:52] <jussi01> persia: trying that now
[09:55] <jussi01> persia: works perfectly now! thank you very much
[09:57] <persia> jussi01: The debhelper helper files (used for CDBS "magic") assume all pathnames to be relative to the project directory, rather than the debian directory.  It's the same for package.install, etc.
[09:57] <jussi01> persia: thanks, ill remember that. 
[10:05] <knix> Who do I talk to about getting openbox linked with Xrandr?
[10:08] <persia> knix: If you don't get another answer here, your best option is to file a bug.  If you include a patch, it is more likely to be applied.
[10:13] <knix> will do, thanks
[10:13] <knix> Do I just submit the patch to motu@?
[10:14] <persia> knix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openbox is the best place.
[10:14] <superm1> knix, out of curiosity what do you mean by getting linked with xrandr?  Does it have support for xrandr that isn't currently activated?
[10:14] <knix> yes
[10:14] <superm1> have you done a test build with it on and not seen any breakage?
[10:15] <knix> I've run openbox svn and it's very stable
[10:15] <knix> And no one has reported bugs on it to openbox
[10:15] <knix> I haven't actually tried rebuilding the package from apt though
[10:15] <superm1> so the support is only in svn?
[10:15] <knix> I don't believe so
[10:16] <knix> I haven't done a lot of homework :)
[10:16] <knix> No, it's had xrandr support for a very long time
[10:16] <superm1> You sure its not built with it?
[10:16] <superm1> looking at http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/o/openbox/openbox_3.3-2.1ubuntu1/changelog
[10:16] <superm1> xrandr support was enabled back in feb 2004
[10:16] <knix> jimmym@lappy:~ > ldd `which openbox` |grep Xrand
[10:16] <knix> jimmym@lappy:~ > 
[10:17] <knix> that's the ubuntu package in feisty
[10:19] <persia> It might have been that the change in 3.2-8 accidentally dropped it.
[10:19] <knix> Yea, libxrandr2 isnt' listed as a dep or anything
[10:19] <superm1> well your right, http://librarian.launchpad.net/5912256/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.openbox_3.3-2.1ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[10:19] <superm1> no XRandR support during the configure step
[10:20] <knix> heh
[10:20] <superm1> knix, go ahead and file a bug for this
[10:21] <knix> k
[10:21] <knix> I sent a mail to the list a couple days ago, but I wasn't a member so I don't know if it got posted, I just subscribed :F
[10:22] <superm1> knix, i'll make a quick build with that extra build dep on it
[10:22] <superm1> assign the bug to me and i'll put the debdiff with it
[10:23] <knix> hehe k
[10:23] <persia> knix: Thanks a lot for pointing out the issue.
[10:24] <jussi01> ok, Im having trouble with my menu file. Ive been reading the debian menu manual, and it seems i have it correct. however, lintian is still giving me warnings. here is a pastebin of my menu file, with the warnings lintian is giving me pasted on the end http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22271/
[10:24] <knix> superm1: who are you?
[10:25] <superm1> superm1 (Mario Limonciello)
[10:25] <superm1> on lp
[10:26] <pochu> superm1: section="Apps/Education"
[10:26] <knix> alright, submitted and assigned
[10:26] <pochu> you're missing a \ at the end
[10:26] <superm1> thx knix 
[10:26] <pochu> superm1: and command="/usr/bin/mnemosyne"\ (you don't need a final slash :))
[10:27] <pochu> err jussi01 ^ :)
[10:27] <superm1> huh pochu ?
[10:27] <jussi01> :D
[10:27] <superm1> oh
[10:27] <superm1> lol
[10:27] <pochu> superm1: hehe, sorry :)
[10:27] <superm1> i was particularly confused, i thought you were telling me to recategorize openbox as Apps/Education at first :)
[10:27] <pochu> lol :)
[10:27] <jussi01> alright, thanks, ill let you know when it works :D
[10:27] <pochu> !openbox
[10:27] <ubotu> openbox is a lightweight window manager. For instructions and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox. To replace metacity with Openbox please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Replace_Metacity_with_Openbox_in_gnome
[10:33] <knix> There's a bug with some gnome package and xrandr as well, at least I"m inclined to believe it's xrandr
[10:33] <knix> THe background utility maintains the old screen size
[10:34] <knix> So if I move to a larger res my background is tiled
[10:34] <knix> And if I choose a small bg and center it I have multiple centered BGs in their tiles
[10:35] <knix> And I"m not using nautilus, so it's just whayever handles the backgrounds
[10:36] <superm1> I thought nautilus was what handled the backgrounds
[10:36] <jussi01> hmmm, pochu its still giving me the line 5 error. 
[10:37] <knix> Well, it does on other platforms, so I have no idea
[10:37] <knix> But I don't have nautilus in my session and I have a background :P
[10:38] <knix> gnome-background-properties is linked against xrandr, so I dunno
[10:39] <pochu> jussi01: do you have a final empty file?
[10:40] <jussi01> pochu: a what?
[10:40] <jussi01> I dont think so
[10:40] <superm1> knix, there is a setting in the gnome background manager to tile or center or stretch
[10:41] <pochu> jussi01: after "/usr/bin/command" add a new line (empty).
[10:42] <jussi01> pochu: yeah, ive got that
[10:42] <pochu> can you pastebin the file again? :)
[10:42] <jussi01> sure
[10:44] <jussi01> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22275/ it does have the extra line, pastebin just doesnt put it there
[10:44] <superm1> persia, could I bug you to sponsor uploading this debdiff for openbox?  Just finished building and testing it.  bug 116578
[10:44] <jussi01> pochu: ^^
[10:44] <persia> superm1: I was just waiting for the bugmail.  I'll take a look at it now.
[10:45] <superm1> man ubotu really is going slow today.
[10:46] <knix> superm1: no, that's not it
[10:46] <pochu> jussi01: does it display the same error?
[10:46] <knix> It doesn't recognize the screen as larger
[10:46] <knix> eg. if I pick center, it's not actually centered
[10:46] <knix> here, let me take a screenshot
[10:46] <jussi01> pochu: it gives E: mnemosyne: bad-test-in-menu-item /usr/share/menu/mnemosyne:5
[10:47] <superm1> knix, I think I get what your saying.  You'll have to identify what app is not doing it right though to file a bug on it
[10:47] <jussi01> lintian that is
[10:47] <persia> superm1: Why are you updating debian/compat?  Does it not work with 4?
[10:48] <pochu> jussi01: use lintian -i, it'll give you a more descriptive report.
[10:48] <superm1> persia, that's what i've been generally doing with older packages as they are brought up to newer versions
[10:49] <pochu> jussi01: I know now :)
[10:49] <pochu> the :5 was confusing me ;)
[10:49] <superm1> I dont remember who had recommended I do it, it was almost a year ago
[10:49] <persia> superm1: I tend to believe in smallest difference to Debian, personally, but OK.  Could you also open a Debian bug for this?
[10:49] <jussi01> pochu: ?
[10:50] <knix> superm1: http://knix.mine.nu/gnome_bg_1.png
[10:50] <superm1> persia, sure
[10:50] <pochu> jussi01: you have to remove the first tab, so the first character is the "?package..."
[10:50] <jussi01> ahhh
[10:50] <knix> superm1: http://knix.mine.nu/gnome_bg_2.png
[10:50] <pochu> jussi01: you can also remove the space after the tabs in the other lines. You don't need them :)
[10:51] <jussi01> ok thanks
[10:51] <superm1> knix, that might be directly related to openbox not having randr support ( as it appears you have a *box variant running there)
[10:52] <superm1> the background drawing is likely asking the window manager for the resolution
[10:52] <knix> Yea, that's openbox, but openbox doesn't do anytyhing with xroot
[10:53] <knix> nah, it's not
[10:53] <knix> openbox is using 1680x1050, I just restarted it
[10:54] <jussi01> pochu: bingo!! that fixe it. thanks a lot!!
[10:55] <knix> yay another bug
[10:56] <knix> gnome-screenshot -w segfaults :D
[10:56] <pochu> jussi01: you're welcome :)
[10:56] <knix> someone confirm, heh
[10:56] <pochu> jussi01: oh, and remember to use lintian -i, instead of just lintian, when you don't know how to fix an error :)
[10:56] <jussi01> pochu: yeah, i just noticed how nice that can be
[10:56] <jussi01> :D
[10:57] <pochu> :)
[10:58] <knix> looks like it's screenshot_get_pixbuf()
[10:58] <knix> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-utils/+bug/22321
[10:58] <knix> filed in '05 ...
[11:00] <persia> knix: Not every bug is as easy to fix as 116578 :)
[11:00] <knix> heh
[11:02] <knix> I should look at it, but the gnome code is so massive it scares me
[11:02] <knix> I was looking to fix some of the system monitoring applets and things for the obsd 2.18 port, but it's like 50mb of code
[11:10] <superm1> persia, debian bug 425816
[11:11] <persia> superm1: Thanks.  Could you link it to bug 116578?
[11:11] <superm1> sure
[11:11] <superm1> will do
[11:11] <persia> superm1: Thank you.
[11:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116578 in openbox "Missing Xrandr support" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116578
[11:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 22321 in gnome-utils "segmentation fault in gnome-screenshot" [Low,Confirmed]  
[11:13] <ubotu> Debian bug 425816 in openbox "Openbox is missing randr support" [Unknown,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/425816
[11:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116578 in openbox "Missing Xrandr support" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116578
[11:14] <knix> =)
[11:24] <jussi01> Hei Motu's. if someones got time to review my package, that would be great! http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5257 (mnemosyne)
[11:24] <jussi01> sorry, should be http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5259
[11:25] <VoX> ok, im a little confused about something :(
[11:25] <VoX> im building a package to be reviewe
[11:25] <VoX> d
[11:25] <VoX> it's for the logitech G15 keyboard, and incorporates several different sources(g15daemon, libg15, lcdproc, etc)
[11:26] <VoX> when debuild is looking for the changelog, is it looking for my changelog, or the changelog of the sources i've used to build the package?
[11:26] <persia> VoX: You'll find life easiest if you have different packages for each upstream source.  Also, lcdproc is already in the archives, so you probably want to patch rather than make a new package.
[11:27] <persia> VoX: debuild is looking for debian/changelog
[11:28] <VoX> gah it is too
[11:29] <VoX> hmm im still a little confused about the whole process
[11:31] <persia> VoX: I recommend starting with packages that aren't libraries and don't have lots of interaction with other parts of the system.  Most of the documentation is geared at this type of package, and it provides a good opportunity to become familiar with things prior to trying larger projects.
[11:35] <VoX> persia: the actual compiling etc wasnt that hard, i've just not really looked at the process involved in contributing to revu before
[12:00] <persia> Could anyone point me to the backports request process?
[12:02] <ScottK> persia: File a bug in LP against the appropriate project (e.g. feisty-backports).  It's in the wiki somewhere IIRC
[12:03] <persia> ScottK: Thanks.  I didn't see it, but I'll search a little harder.
[12:05] <ScottK> persia: Title search on backport: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackportRequestProcess
[12:07] <persia> ScottK: Thanks - I found that after your previous encouragement.  Now I just have to decide if I really want to backport, or to tell the poor user that they should wait 5 months, and all the problems will go away :)
[12:08] <ScottK> persia: What package?
[12:08] <ScottK> jussi01: You forgot to remove the build-dep on pycentral.
[12:09] <ScottK> persia: If it's gaphor, I'd say go for it.
[12:10] <persia> ScottK: Audacity (and XMMS).  GTK 1.2+ doesn't seem to be working well for a few people, and while there are alternatives to XMMS, Audacity is sufficiently different that it might be interesting.  I'm leaning towards not backporting, but there are a couple private backports out there...
[12:11] <persia> ScottK: For gaphor, it's been broken since dapper, which might qualify for more, but I still don't like my gaphor packages :)  I need to remember to stay away from python.
[12:11] <ScottK> No, you remember to learn the Python better.
[12:11] <ScottK> OK
[12:11] <persia> ScottK: Perhaps :)
[12:12] <ScottK> If there are private backports, that's an arguement for doing an official one I'd say.
[12:14] <persia> ScottK: Maybe.  I have to make sure that ours works properly in feisty - if not, I'd rather not offer it as an official backport.
[12:15] <ScottK> Sure.  Won't break stuff is more important than providing official crack in place of unofficial crack.
[12:15] <persia> ScottK: depending on the definition of break, I agree.  I wish I understood why there are GTK+ 1.2 issues: it's probably a configuration thing, or a package selection thing, and a backport seems a drastic way to solve it.
[12:19] <StevenK> You mean we haven't booted GTK+ 1.2 out of the archive?
[12:21] <persia> StevenK: As far as I know the current blockers are wx2.4 and XMMS, for which an impassioned argument was recently made.  Unfortunately, XMMS is the most popular manually installed music player (by a factor of xis or more - I forget exactly).
[12:21] <persia> s/xis/six/
[12:21] <StevenK> Oh geez.
[12:22] <StevenK> xmms is even in main.
[12:22] <persia> Yep, and lots & lots of things build xmms plugins.  The community that uses XMMS really has to choose one of the GTK+ 2 replacements - as far as I can tell, it's still a free-for-all.
[12:23] <persia> bmpx, beep-meida-player (dead but in the archive), audacious, xmms2, etc.
[12:39] <ScottK> jussi01: Just posted another comment set on your package.  You are getting close.  It's in pretty good shape.
[12:48] <jussi01> ScottK: thanks! I just cam back in and saw that. :D
[12:56] <Q-FUNK> could someone look at bug 116528 and tell me what i'm missing?  what would be the fix to make to the script?
[12:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116528 in numlockx "Deinstalling numlockx breaks X startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116528
[12:57] <Q-FUNK> to make it "exit 0" regardless?
[12:58] <persia> Q-FUNK: add `... || /bin/true` in the right place?
[01:00] <Q-FUNK> true already is there
[01:01] <Q-FUNK> persia: can you look at the actual script?
[01:01] <persia> Q-FUNK: That's later in the script.  As I understand it, under set -e you need to make each command succeed.
[01:02] <persia> Q-FUNK: I'd specifically put an ||  between the subshell and the call to true, just to force it.
[01:04] <Q-FUNK> test -x /usr/bin/numlockx && /usr/bin/numlockx on || /bin/true
[01:04] <Q-FUNK> this?
[01:04] <persia> Q-FUNK: I think so.
[01:04] <Q-FUNK> or leave the true where it is and add || in fornt of it?
[01:05] <persia> Q-FUNK: Sorry, no.  ( test -x /usr/bin/numlockx && /usr/bin/numlockx on ) || /bin/true
[01:06] <Q-FUNK> ah, right, testing for the whole operation
[01:08] <Kaloz> yo Q
[01:08] <Kaloz> :)
[01:08] <Q-FUNK> Kaloz: :)
[01:15] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Isn't FastCGI non-free?
[01:15] <StevenK> Fujitsu: I have no idea.
[01:15] <Fujitsu> I'm pretty sure it is.
[01:16] <StevenK> It looks GPL incompatible, anyway
[01:16] <Fujitsu> Pretty much.
[01:16] <Fujitsu> DFSG non-free in some respect, I guess.
[01:16] <StevenK> Exactly. It's free, just not DFSG-free
[01:17] <Fujitsu> But the DFSG seems to be the reference implementation of freedom these days.
[01:18] <StevenK> Well, point.
[01:18] <jussi01> alright then; if a motu could take another look at my package, that would be wonderful! http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5261
[01:18] <jussi01> (mnemosyne)
[01:23] <ScottK> jussi01: +1 from me.  My first package to advocate as a MOTU...
[01:23] <ScottK> See you all later, off to be stuck in meetings all day...
[01:24] <StevenK> Sounds fun...
[01:35] <ScottK> StevenK: You got the first two letters of the phrase I was thinking of correct.
[01:41] <StevenK> ScottK: :-P
[01:41] <StevenK> ScottK: The phrase being 'Sounds fire truck'ed' ?
[01:44] <ScottK> StevenK: Yeah.  That's the one.
[01:45] <StevenK> Oh fire truck. Now I get why Rails doesn't work on this machine.
[01:46] <persia> StevenK: It doesn't like you?
[01:46] <ScottK> Demonic possession.
[01:46] <StevenK> persia: No, the rails fcgi module isn't installed.
[01:47] <StevenK> Then again, this is my Rails deployment, so I'm having to learn as I go.
[01:47] <StevenK> Er, first deployment
[01:48] <persia> StevenK: I used http://www.urbanpuddle.com/articles/2006/12/07/install-ruby-rails-on-ubuntu-edgy-eft, and everything went pretty smoothly, until I realised I didn't actually want to write code for database driven web pages.
[01:48] <StevenK> Hah
[01:48] <persia> At least I was able to do the tutorials, etc.
[01:49] <StevenK> Oh, I've written all of the code and everything, this is throwing it out there and trying to get it running under Apache.
[01:49] <persia> StevenK: Apache?  That's the issue.  Have fun :)
[01:51] <StevenK> persia: Hey! I *like* Apache.
[01:52] <persia> StevenK: But does Apache like you?  I like Apache too, but I've become convinced it really doesn't like me, and have been settling for other web servers.
[01:53] <jussi01> ScottK: brilliant!! thanks a lot
[01:54] <StevenK> persia: Such as?
[01:54] <persia> For Rails, I'm using lighthttpd.
[01:54] <StevenK> persia: I think Apache respects me. I've managed to bend it to my will an awful lot.
[01:55] <persia> Rather, lighttpd
[01:55] <jussi01> Ok, motu's, just one more. :D http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5261
[01:55] <persia> StevenK: If you can get along, by all means.  Apache is more flexible and more capable.
[01:58] <jussi01> hmmm, now thats weird, ScottKhas avocated my package, but it shows up as 0(0), so no advocates. weird?
[01:59] <persia> jussi01: You uploaded a new version, and so you need an ACK from ScottK for the advocation.  There's no way the system can tell you didn't put a tricky trojan in the new version.
[02:00] <jussi01> ahhh, heh, i think maybe ScottK put it there accidentally
[02:00] <jussi01> because it was after i uploaded that that he advocated it. the version before there was still stuff to be done
[02:01] <xxxxx1> morning people!
[02:03] <persia> jussi01: Maybe.  ScottK should be back in 6 or 7 hours, and would probably be willing to advocate the current version then.  I'm not able to properly review python packages, but I like watch files (man uscan for format, etc.) in packages.
[02:04] <jussi01> persia: ok, Ill have a read up of watch files (since i have no idea what they are)
[02:05] <StevenK> persia: For Apache, you just need to remember that the log files don't tell the complete story. strace -s 1500 apache2 -X will have it spilling its guts out and telling you what is really happening.
[02:05] <persia> jussi01: They're just extra files in debian/ that keep track of upstream, and can be used to automatically check if a new upstream version is available.  Debian uses this as art of their QA infrastructure, but it's just extra candy for Ubuntu.
[02:06] <persia> StevenK: I'm not quite that much of a sadist :)
[02:06] <jussi01> persia: ok, so its not _necessary_ but nice to have ?
[02:06] <persia> jussi01: Exactly.
[02:07] <jussi01> ok then
[02:26] <StevenK> Oh, twitch.
[02:26] <StevenK> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11M May 24 22:25 dbg
[02:26] <persia> StevenK: That's only 10 times the length of a good novel.  Shouldn't take more than a week :)
[02:27] <StevenK> You can't grep a novel. :-P
[02:28] <persia> StevenK: http://www.baen.com/library/, http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main_Page
[02:28] <StevenK> Shush.
[02:35] <Q-FUNK> would anyone care to comment on Bug #116528 WRT the two alternate solutions?
[02:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116528 in numlockx "Deinstalling numlockx breaks X startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116528
[02:35] <persia> Grrr..  Offering to mentor a bug should automatically subscribe one to that bug.
[02:37] <persia> Q-FUNK: I think the second method is easier to read, although I'm more likely to generate the first method when writing scripts.
[02:38] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:38] <dholbach> hi Hobbsee
[02:38] <persia> hey Hobbsee
[02:39] <Hobbsee> heya dholbach, persia!
[02:39] <zul> HEY Hobbsee 
[02:40] <zul> doh..
[02:40] <zul> stupid cap locks
[02:40] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:44] <bmm> Hi everybody. I've got a package in REVU and have had a few reviews already. It now seems that it's completly bug free ;-)
[02:44] <persia> bmm: That's great.  Congratulations.
[02:44] <bmm> Should I keep asking people to take a look at it until it gets advocated?
[02:44] <bmm> (Or just wait for it to be advocated)
[02:44] <bmm> persia: thanks!
[02:45] <Hobbsee> bmm: ask
[02:45] <bmm> It's ccbuild http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5125
[02:45] <persia> bmm: The general practice is that after each upload (if you think it's fixed), make an annoucement here requesting review.  Try not to request review more than once a day.  After you get your first advocation, announce you are looking for a second advocate here (with the same timing rules).
[02:46] <bmm> Ah, ok. Didn't want to push you people ;-)
[02:46] <persia> REVU is also checked regularly by our dedicated REVU team, so if you miss a day or two, it may receive treatment anyway.
[02:47] <StevenK> Oh, fracking suexec.
[02:51] <StevenK> Hrm. Changing the suexec docroot, and recompiling apache, or moving the install. I wonder what I'll pick.
[02:52] <jussi01> recompile... its lots of fun...:P
[02:52] <StevenK> Not for apache it isn't.
[02:54] <jussi01> hehe
[02:55] <persia> I think it was compiling Apache for Alpha that made me install Potato in the first place...
[02:55] <StevenK> Heh
[03:10] <bmm> Just for those who havn't noticed yet: dell is now really going to push Ubuntu computers http://www.dell.com/open :-D
[03:19] <viviersf> oi i wanna strangle my pc
[03:42] <jekil> hello
[03:57] <alfredoj69> hello everybody
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hiya
[03:59] <Baby> what is the alias for the latest ubuntu repository? (i mean like debian's sid)
[04:00] <persia> Baby: There's no alias.  It changes with each new expected release.
[04:01] <Baby> hmm so i'll have to change it each time?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:01] <Baby> thanks
[04:12] <pochu> Hobbsee: good luck with your core application!
[04:12] <Hobbsee> pochu: thankyou :)
[04:19] <mruiz> hey dholbach, How're you? I read about motu-mentoring-reception team -> "If you want to become a MOTU and would like somebody to mentor you, just mail one member of the team and get started today." Are you available as mentor?
[04:28] <persia> mruiz: He appears to be away from the channel right now.  If you are interested in seeking a mentor, I would recommend sending email to any of the members of motu-mentoring-reception, and they will put you in touch with someone who is available as a mentor, as soon as a slot is available.
[04:30] <mruiz> thanks persia, I will do it
[04:36] <jekil> current release for upload in revu is gutsy, right?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:37] <jekil> so, why this: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/tablelist-0705231750/lintian
[04:37] <Hobbsee> persia: where was the documentation on debdiffs and such?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> jekil: because lintian is out of date on that machine
[04:37] <Hobbsee> it's only running dapper, iirc
[04:38] <jekil> Hobbsee: thanks, i am supposing this :)
[04:38] <persia> Hobbsee: Which documentation?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> persia: i thought you had some documentation on writing debdiffs, as part of u-u-s
[04:38] <persia> Hobbsee: Do you mean the UUS queue contributor guidelines?
[04:39] <persia> Right.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sponsorship/SponsorsQueue
[04:41] <leonel> hello  Good Ubuntureros !
[04:43] <jekil> someone can review, please? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5255
[04:46] <Hobbsee> persia: kidna
[04:47] <persia> Hobbsee: What are you looking for.  I might be able to find it.
[04:51] <persia> jekil: That looks lovely.  I've left a couple notes, which require a new upload.
[04:52] <Hobbsee> persia: what a patch is, what a debdiff is, i think.
[04:55] <persia> Hobbsee: I'm not finding that.  MOTU/HowToPatch only covers patch systems, Bugs/HowToFix assumes the reader knows nothing about packaging, and MOTU/Bugs assumes you already know how to make a debdiff.  I'll draft one, but it'll likely be a few days (I want to flesh out MOTU/Contributing anyway).
[04:56] <Hobbsee> cool..  sounds good to me
[04:56] <Hobbsee> it's long overdue, so a few more days wont hurt
[04:56] <jekil> persia: good :) thank you :)
[04:57] <persia> Hobbsee: Yeah.  We have all that "Hopeful" stuff, but most of it was cleaned up to point to the new process, and we don't seem to have anything that helps those interested in helping (other than #ubuntu-motu, but that's horribly redundant :) )
[04:57] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:05] <persia> jekil: I finally figured out the formatting.  The comment is more correct now (although the content is the same).
[05:07] <pochu> Amaranth: rock on :)
[05:08] <jekil> persia: thanks a lot, but i have already uploaded the new package.. but revu dont show it.. is a my error? or depends to version change?
[05:08] <persia> jekil: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5262
[05:09] <jekil> persia: ops, sorry :) i was refreshing the old page, i am a revu newbie
[05:09] <vijay2000> can anybody tel me how to read a encrypted mail
[05:10] <persia> jekil: On the old page, look at the bottom, and the new link is shown.
[05:10] <vijay2000> i am using galeon
[05:10] <Hobbsee> vijay2000: sounds like a #ubuntu type question
[05:11] <vijay2000> i am trying to complete the launchpad registration
[05:12] <jekil> persia: thanks, now you think that the package and my style of packaging can be right for ubuntu? (i learn in debian)
[05:12] <persia> vijay2000: Still, this channel will provide you with help in working with the packages, but for using your software you'll probably get a better answer in #ubuntu (or the documentation, or the wiki, or the forums, etc.)
[05:14] <persia> jekil: I listed the only important differences in packaging between Ubuntu and Debian.  The big reasons are 1)  If your package gets into Debian (as -1), it's better to use the Debian package also in Ubuntu, and 2) If Ubuntu users have trouble, they should not contact the Debian Maintainer (especially if the package is different in Ubuntu than in Debian).
[05:14] <vijay2000> oh thanks persia..
[05:15] <vijay2000> i still get this error when i try to debuild clamtk
[05:15] <vijay2000> dpkg-source: building clamtk in clamtk_2.32-0Ubuntu1.tar.gz
[05:15] <vijay2000> dpkg-source: building clamtk in clamtk_2.32-0Ubuntu1.dsc
[05:15] <vijay2000>  dpkg-genchanges -S -sa
[05:15] <vijay2000> dpkg-genchanges: including full source code in upload
[05:15] <vijay2000> dpkg-buildpackage: source only upload: Debian-native package
[05:15] <vijay2000> Now signing changes and any dsc files...
[05:15] <vijay2000>  signfile clamtk_2.32-0Ubuntu1.dsc Vijay <vijay2000@gmail.com>
[05:15] <vijay2000> gpg: skipped "Vijay <vijay2000@gmail.com>": secret key not available
[05:15] <jekil> persia: thanks a lot
[05:15] <vijay2000> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[05:15] <vijay2000> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[05:15] <vijay2000> debuild: fatal error at line 791:
[05:15] <vijay2000> running debsign failed
[05:16] <persia> vijay2000: Don't do that.  Use a pastebing.
[05:17] <vijay2000> what is pastebin
[05:17] <persia> !pastebin
[05:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> grah...use a damned pastebin
[05:17] <Hobbsee> means that debsign failed, but the build didnt.
[05:17] <vijay2000> now i am yet to build it
[05:17] <Hobbsee> however, you are building it natively
[05:18] <Hobbsee> whcih you dont want to
[05:18] <persia> vijay2000: If you put the output in a pastebin, Hobbsee won't be confused, and will be able to help you better :)
[05:18] <vijay2000> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22311/
[05:19] <vijay2000> hope i am making some sense now
[05:20] <persia> vijay2000: Your source package appears to have build correctly, but your description and changes files could not be signed, because debsign could not find a secret key that matched the address in the changelog.
[05:21] <vijay2000> what will be the solution for this ? :(
[05:21] <persia> vijay2000: The name and address in your changelog must match the name and one of the addresses in your key.
[05:23] <vijay2000> let me try it out
[05:24] <Hobbsee> vijay2000: specify it with -k<yourkeyid> in the build
[05:24] <Hobbsee> it seems a bit tempramental, at times?
[05:25] <vijay2000> u mean like debuild -S -sa -k <keyid>
[05:27] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:29] <vijay2000> when i try to change the log i get it as parsechangelog/debian: error: badly formatted trailer line, at changelog line 5
[05:29] <vijay2000> dch: fatal error at line 387:
[05:29] <vijay2000> Problem executing dpkg-parsechangelog:
[05:31] <persia> vijay2000: That's probably what caused the first error.  Did you create your changelog entry with `dch -i`?
[05:31] <vijay2000> yes
[05:31] <vijay2000> i am getting this error only now
[05:39] <persia> jekil: That looks much better.   Thanks.  A few non-blocking notes are available from http://www.pastebin.ca/507439
[05:40] <vijay2000> persia : now i get this error
[05:40] <vijay2000> Now signing changes and any dsc files...
[05:40] <vijay2000>  signfile clamtk_2.32-0ubuntu0.dsc D77BB7A8
[05:40] <vijay2000> You need a passphrase to unlock the secret key for
[05:40] <vijay2000> user: "Vijay (Vijay) <vijay2000@gmail.com>"
[05:40] <vijay2000> 1024-bit DSA key, ID D77BB7A8, created 2007-05-22
[05:41] <persia> vijay2000: Use a pastebin, or expect less help.
[05:41] <vijay2000> sorry
[05:41] <Hobbsee> vijay2000: then you put in the passphrase.  see [01:40]  <vijay2000> You need a passphrase to unlock the secret key for
[05:42] <jekil> persia: thank you a lot
[05:42] <vijay2000> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22312
[05:42] <vijay2000> how to find my passphrase . what is a passphrase
[05:43] <persia> vijay2000: When you created your GPG key, you were asked for a passphrase.  You need to enter than to sign your .dsc and .changes files.
[05:43] <pochu> vijay2000: it's a password
[05:44] <vijay2000> after entering the password i get this
[05:44] <vijay2000> signfile clamtk_2.32-0ubuntu0_source.changes D77BB7A8
[05:45] <vijay2000> can i reset my passphrase 
[05:45] <vijay2000> i think i forgot the passphrase
[05:45] <persia> vijay2000: That's good.  That's what you want.
[05:45] <vijay2000> how to reset my passphrase
[05:46] <Q-FUNK> vijay2000: signing worked.  why do you need to change the password?
[05:47] <persia> vijay2000: `gpg --edit-key passwd -kD77BB7A8` let's you change the passphrase.
[05:47] <vijay2000> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22313/
[05:48] <Hobbsee> but of course, you need to actually know the original passphrase to do it...
[05:49] <vijay2000> now i get this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22314/
[05:52] <persia> vijay2000: For 22313, it looks like you typed the password correctly the first time, but not the second time (it asks twice).  For 22314, I probably made a mistake.  `man gpg` might tell you how to do it correctly.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> the second is a syntax error.  man gpg will help.
[05:53] <vijay2000> got signed succssfully :)
[05:54] <nixternal> GOOOOOOOD MORNING VIET MOTUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[05:55] <pochu> nixternal: lol :)
[05:55] <persia> nixternal: good morning.  Please do something about bug 116108 :)
[05:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116108 in yakuake "[Gutsy Merge]  Please merge Yakuake (2.8~beta1-1ubuntu1) from Debian Unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116108
[05:55] <pochu> good evening!
[05:55] <nixternal> gotta love some Robin Williams
[05:55] <nixternal> what needs to be done?
[05:56] <nixternal> seems it was committed
[05:56] <persia> nixternal: The builds need to be checked, and either a new upload to fix the build failure, or closing the bug.
[05:56] <nixternal> it is built
[05:56] <nixternal> oh...close the bad mama jamma
[05:57] <persia> Thank you.
[05:57] <nixternal> amd64, i386, powerpc, and sparc all in the archives
[07:11] <SlimG> English game manuals goes into /usr/share/man/man6/ am I right?
[07:16] <SlimG> or should it go into /usr/share/man/en/man6 ?
[07:16] <Hobbsee> debian new maintainers guide shoudl tell you that
[07:17] <jussi01> SlimG: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/index.en.html if you havent got it already...
[07:23] <SlimG> Debain Policy Manual refers to FHS that states /usr/share/man/<locale>/man<section>/<arch> , but when I look at the existing system on feisty it lacks <arch> and throws english manuals in /usr/share/man/man<section>/ ..?
[07:40] <vijay2000> can anybody tell me wht is a .dsc file 
[07:41] <gnomefreak> source file
[07:42] <vijay2000> where can i find it for clamtk
[07:42] <gnomefreak> apt-get source clamtk
[07:42] <gnomefreak> you will get a .tar.gz a .dsc and a .diff.gz
[07:43] <vijay2000> which folder of clamtk will have this file 
[07:43] <gnomefreak> you wont need to unpack it that way
[07:43] <gnomefreak> vijay2000: i believe its the debian dir.
[07:43] <vijay2000> no i am trying to build
[07:43] <gnomefreak> vijay2000: you need it all to build it
[07:44] <gnomefreak> some dont have the .diff.gz but all need the .dsc and the .tar.gz
[07:44] <gnomefreak> !info clamtk
[07:44] <ubotu> clamtk: graphical front-end for ClamAV. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.31-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 39 kB, installed size 176 kB
[07:45] <gnomefreak> vijay2000: are you trying to build it to patch it to pratice or just feel like it?
[07:46] <vijay2000> yes i am trying to build it for practice
[07:46] <gnomefreak> vijay2000: did you read the guide?
[07:46] <vijay2000> nope
[07:46] <gnomefreak> !packaging
[07:46] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[07:47] <gnomefreak> i suggest you read it ;) some packages are harder than others
[08:42] <xxxxx1> hi all!
[08:43] <leonel> ea
[09:24] <Runlvl> exit
[09:26] <fernando> hey all
[09:26] <fernando> waa: music-applet: package-installs-python-pyc usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/musicapplet/applet.pyc
[09:26] <fernando> this is a problem?
[09:27] <fernando> s/this is/is this/
[09:28] <SlimG> Is .pdf manuals supposed to be packed?
[09:31] <gpocentek> fernando: I'm not a python packages expert but IIRC pyc are produced when the package is installed
[09:31] <gpocentek> i.e. they should not be in te .deb
[09:32] <SlimG> mkay
[09:32] <gpocentek> SlimG: it's a good idea to include pdf docs in the package I think :)
[09:33] <SlimG> Where should .pdf manuals be located?
[09:34] <gpocentek> in /usr/share/doc/<package>/ I guess
[09:37] <SlimG> gpocentek: any specific naming/rules for it?
[09:42] <gpocentek> SlimG: I don't think so
[09:42] <gpocentek> you can use dh_installdocs to install it
[09:51] <fernando> gpocentek: i'm not creating the .pyc, i don't know where in the build process its created =)
[09:57] <pochu> fernando: aren't they in the orig.tar.gz?
[09:57] <fernando> pochu: no
[10:02] <SlimG> My man page is beeing read as ISO-8859-1 instead of UTF-8, why's this?
[11:14] <bmm> If there is anybody online from MOTU. I'm looking for my first advocation on ccbuild http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5125 Thanks in advance!
[11:24] <tepsipakki> popey: ping? or anyone familiar with mono..
[11:32] <bmm> No, but you could give me a try ;)
[11:38] <ajmitch> tepsipakki: yes?
[11:39] <tepsipakki> ajmitch: hey, I'm trying to compile simias (a component of iFolder), but it fails miserably and I'm thinking that maybe some mono component is missing
[11:39] <tepsipakki> it says "The type or namespace name `Stat' could not be found"
[11:39] <tepsipakki> but shouldn't that be in Mono.Posix.dll?
[11:39] <ajmitch> probably missing some linking line
[11:40] <ajmitch> like -r:Mono.Posix
[11:40] <tepsipakki> hmm, okay
[11:42] <tepsipakki> trying to figure out where to put that.. it's for mcs?
[11:43] <ajmitch> yep
[11:48] <hendrixski> hey... is Sunbird not in the repos because it's not stable or because of that mozilla-debian falling out?
[11:50] <pochu> hendrixski: I think both :)
[11:50] <pochu> hendrixski: it wasn't built with the stable branch, and that was the reason asac hasn't built it in Debian
[11:51] <hendrixski> pochu, ah
[11:51] <hendrixski> yeah, I heard it was still in Debian experimental... though, I'm not sure how to check these thigns yet
[11:51] <pochu> hendrixski: Maybe with the coming 0.5 release :)
[11:52] <hendrixski> isn't it at 0.3.1 right now?  I'd assume .5 is a ways away
[11:54] <pochu> 0.5 is in RC stage, so it will be final really soon.
[11:56] <hendrixski> pochu, cool.  I've been fishing around their site and I can't find a development timeline.  But that's pretty much what I needed to know
[11:56] <hendrixski> thanks :)
[11:56] <pochu> hendrixski: check the developers blog :)
[12:03] <asac> sunbird for 0.5 looks good
[12:03] <asac> but top prio is more getting lightning ready for tbird
[12:03] <asac> hendrixski: pochu ^^^
[12:06] <tepsipakki> ajmitch: bah, tried giving /r:Mono.Posix.dll etc but doesn't help
[12:06] <tepsipakki> maybe I'll just ask the list
[12:06] <ajmitch> you shouldn't need the .dll
[12:06] <ajmitch> what does gacutil -l Mono.Posix
[12:06] <ajmitch> say?
[12:07] <tepsipakki> two versions installed
[12:07] <ajmitch> ok
[12:08] <jekil> someone please can review? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5264