[12:12] an ftp [12:14] theirs no official mirror in Argentina, and I was wondering if there was any requieremnts [12:14] anybody know if you have to have a core-dev OK a sync request of a Main package? [12:14] (as in bandwidth, for example) [12:15] http://debcentral.org/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=6&start=120 [12:16] jmg: so just setup the mirror, and publish it on the wiki? [12:17] beuno: #ubuntu-mirrors is probably a better place to ask. but I'd guess most people are asleep now. [12:17] Nafallo: right, didn't know that even existed, I'll hang around there, thanks! [12:18] LaserJock: the wiki page says any core should, yes. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess [12:18] np :-). would be good to have one I think :-) [12:19] Nafallo: I've got a 10mbit connection available and some hardware, I'm just not sure if it will sufice :D [12:19] hehe, not me either, but I live in Sweden :-) [12:19] morning [12:20] we have atleast three gigabit sites and the official at 2gbit :-P [12:20] Nafallo: heh, I don't see anything even remotely close being available here :( [12:21] indeed. but Sweden has fiber everywhere so... :-) === dharrigan [n=dharriga@82-71-62-76.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:29] Hey all. 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[01:45] :) [01:45] Hello TheMuso [01:46] grrr!! === TheMuso hates mirrors when they have MD5Sum mismatches. === jmg hates mirrors when they make him look fat [01:47] hm, almost lunchtime already [01:47] If anyone from the Australia/NZ contigent is up for it, I put the "almost builds" edition of clamav-alt up on REVU... http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5254 [01:47] ajmitch: yes [01:47] the morning goes fast when you only get into work at 9:30 [01:47] (and was up until nearly 4am) [01:47] ajmitch: were [01:47] pirates of the caribbean 3 wasn't too bad [01:48] Was it better than #2? === jmg is going tomorrow [01:48] ScottK: yeah, I think so [01:48] it was long though [01:48] did they leave it open for pirates4? [01:49] jmg: oh yes [01:49] Did it have an actual ending as opposed to we're just pausing in the story for a moment? === ScottK hasn't seen it and I know there's an opening for a #4... [01:49] ScottK: thankfully it did, but it was still left open [01:49] Of course. It has to be left open. [01:50] so it would work just having 3 movies, rather than the 1 & 1/2 that we did have [01:50] since this one was nearly 3 hours [01:50] Any opinion on the violence level compared to #2? #2 was IMO marginal for my 13 year old to go to. [01:50] fairly violent === TheMuso wonders if aurora is being hammered in any particular way... [01:51] not too much blood & guts though [01:51] yay, ia32-libs conflict [01:51] ajmitch: you've already seen 3? === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-117-15.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] It's not even open here yet! [01:51] tritium: I'm in NZ, of course [01:52] TheMuso: it shouldnt be today.. [01:52] Hobbsee: Right. [01:52] saw it at midnight [01:52] TheMuso: however, i've been using it extensively in the past few days [01:53] Interesting... I can't seem to connect. Its just sitting there doing nothing. === tritium will see it tomorrow [01:54] bah! Conection timed out! === ajmitch wonders where his upload disappeared to [01:55] TheMuso: i was having slight problems with that yesterday too - not sure if he's torrenting or something === ajmitch uploaded > 20 minutes ago, no mail yet [01:55] Hobbsee: Right. [01:55] ajmitch: i'm thinking it's delayed [01:55] Are all these net oddities a coincidence? [01:56] Hobbsee: possibly [01:56] some of kde stuff has come back delayed [01:56] launchpad slow, or just the mailserver? === ajmitch will look after lunch, don't care now [01:58] hmm, 144 updates for my sarge box === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-47-247.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:00] anyone familiar with frostwire? is there an itp for that or what? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-117-15.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:09] Any motu's willing to take a look over http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5249 ? persia mentioned "special attention to the copyright provisions and the compliance with python policy." would be good :) === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === concept10_ [n=concept1@ppp-70-247-163-181.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] hey all [02:13] hiya === popey [n=alan@ubuntu/member/popey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] moo [02:19] This channel does not have supercow powers [02:19] :P [02:19] hi popey [02:19] welshbyte: how can it not? we use apt [02:19] -vvvvvvvv moo [02:20] :) [02:20] I don't suppose there is anybody with a gutsy amd64 pbuilder and a fast connection around? [02:20] :) [02:21] LaserJock: I intend to set one up very soon [02:21] (maybe this weekend) [02:22] that's not soon enough :-) [02:22] heh, sorry ;) [02:22] I need one NOW! [02:23] well, I think I'll just do this without [02:23] there's still plenty of time to fix Main packages I break, right? [02:23] ;-) [02:23] LaserJock: last resort: qemu-x64 [02:23] LaserJock: sure, while you're fixing the rest of them ;) === welshbyte ducks [02:23] LaserJock: StevenK's at home, else i''d suggest him. [02:24] er, at work [02:24] LaserJock: imbrandon's aurora is i386, right? [02:24] LaserJock: what do you need to do? [02:26] well, I'm doing a merge of gcompris [02:26] and one of the ubuntu changes was to fix a python 64bit problem [02:26] I'm basically positive that it's fixed in the new Debian version [02:27] but I still feel a tad silly saying "Yep, builds fine on my i386" ;-) [02:27] it's not a big deal though [02:28] LaserJock: put the sources somewhere, and i can get it to build on StevenK's machine [02:28] LaserJock: (being that he cant/wont add people whne he's not at home) [02:29] is bandwidth a concern for him? [02:29] LaserJock: local mirror [02:30] well, it's a debian package [02:30] .orig.tar.gz is ~100MB [02:30] ahhh [02:30] Is there any reason why I shouldn't have my soruces.list deb lines point at feisty, while my deb-src lines point at gutsy? If I'm patching stuff, I'll typically want to pull the latter. [02:30] Hobbsee: do you think that'd be ok? [02:31] not sure === Hobbsee asks === LaserJock twiddles thumbs === StevenK appears. === LaserJock startles [02:35] My mirror doesn't have sources, due to hard drive concerns. [02:35] However, downloading 100Mb is fine. Uploading on the other hand ... [02:35] I just need to know if it builds [02:36] I can do it if Hobbsee doesn't want to. [02:36] dget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcompris/gcompris_8.3.1-3.dsc [02:36] ^^ is what I need === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch returns from lunch [02:55] LaserJock: Builds fine. [02:55] LaserJock: On amd64, at least. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@124.64.106.49] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hewhocutsdown [n=hewhocut@216-250-178-97.dsl.iphouse.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mattva01 [n=matthew@c-69-143-121-184.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@h-67-102-70-2.snfccasy.covad.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:22] wow, the MOTU/Documentation is kinda daunting [03:23] hewhocutsdown: it's gotten better, but it's still bad, yes. [03:24] it doesn't look too hard, but it's just a lot all at once *chuckles* [03:24] heh, true [03:25] i'm fairly failure with Linux/Ubuntu, but I haven't ever delved this deep into package creation; I've built some of my own programs from source on occasion, but the times I've gotten stuck I've eventually given up and waited for a package [03:25] heh heh.. I've been reading the MOTU-Schools/Mentoring pages as well [03:25] what kind of commitment [time wise, after initial learning] does it usually take for managing a package? [03:26] the only documentation you need is /msg Hobbsee help! [03:26] hah [03:26] before you try Hobbsee, however, /msg LaserJock help! [03:26] *laughs* I'm sure he loves that [03:26] crimsun: doh [03:26] haha [03:26] hah [03:26] StevenK: thanks [03:26] double haha [03:27] mwuahahaha [03:27] you caught that I see [03:27] hewhocutsdown: just updating the apckage, dealing with the bugs [03:29] hmmm... I've been lurking/submitting bug reports on the Thoggen-devel list, and there's been some updates in upstream versions of gst-plugins-ugly and theora-tools that greatly enhance use on thoggen [03:30] I started with wanting to install them myself, but I figured it may be better for all if I sit down and learn package creation and work it that way [03:30] does that sound like a reasonable idea, or am I coming at things the wrong way around? [03:31] sounds reasonable to me [03:31] oh, how "just updating...dealing with..bugs" is a euphemism [03:31] oops, I sound like a bitter old man [03:33] how would I figure out if someone is already working on it? [03:33] thoggen or gstreamer? [03:34] crimsun: not bitter at all [03:34] crimsun: I didn't realise you were doing a 3 year world tour of fame [03:34] I'm looking for a second advocate of gizmod at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5249 Anyone free to take a look? [03:36] PriceChild: ajmitch is volunteering [03:36] Hobbsee: you are pure evil [03:36] either, really [03:36] right [03:36] Burgundavia: i'm the purely evil, sexy psycopathic bitch from au, thankyouverymuch. [03:36] Hobbsee: haha [03:36] wow [03:37] au? whereabouts? [03:37] Lol === PriceChild wonders why everyone always repeats that Hobbsee is evil... everyone knows yet everyone is always surprised [03:37] hewhocutsdown: sydney [03:37] I was in Baulkham Hills for 2003-2004 [03:37] Hobbsee: You need to be careful. Soon your adjective and extra clause list will exceeed the buffer :) [03:37] ah yes. near me. [03:37] persia: heh [03:37] hewhocutsdown: for the gstreamer stuff, you need slomo [03:37] Hobbsee: sorry, not volunteering [03:38] the person, or a package I'm unaware of? [03:38] Burgundavia: you will address me with my full title. [03:38] hewhocutsdown: person [03:38] hewhocutsdown: slomo is also the last uploader of thoggen [03:38] ajmitch: you dont need to volunteer. you were assigned. [03:38] Hobbsee: it is the draft now? :P === TheMuso chuckles at more of Hobbsee's dominate the world talk. [03:39] Hobbsee: you wanted to be core-dev, right? [03:39] joejaxx: sorry? [03:39] ajmitch: you already are, so you must lead by example. [03:39] ok, I'll track slomo down [03:39] Hobbsee: I do - I delegate [03:39] Hobbsee: I reject that statement, it was sexist! === nixternal hides [03:39] Hobbsee: oh maybe they only have that in america :\ [03:39] ajmitch: i delegate more. [03:39] Hobbsee: you know, your "bad girl" image really doesn't work so much on people who know you ;-) [03:39] ajmitch: well, my delegation overrules your delegation === ajmitch delegates checking the package to LaserJock [03:39] haha [03:39] haha LaserJock === Hobbsee ^5's ajmitch [03:40] hewhocutsdown: one thing that would rock is thoggen ported to gstreamer 0.10. In general try and do as much work upstream as possible [03:40] LaserJock: she didn't poke you much, did she? [03:40] ??? it already uses it [03:40] the fix I was trying to add is in 0.10.1 [03:40] ahh [03:40] popey: the cdimage is 188MB [03:41] hewhocutsdown: have you checked to see if the needed version of the gstreamer plugin is in gutsy yet? [03:41] ajmitch: i dont remember LaserJock complaining of sore ribs, no [03:41] gutsy....that's the devel version of ubuntu, correct? === j-dizzle [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:41] yes [03:41] the perpetually devel [03:41] no, the current devel [03:41] there is perpetual devel for Ubunt === joejaxx has been lucky to have never experienced TLPSOD(TM(TM)) === Hobbsee attacks joejaxx with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so he doesnt feel left out. === joejaxx doges === joejaxx [n=joejaxx@fluxbuntu/founder/joejaxx] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:42] wow, I guess that jsut leaves me === joejaxx [n=joejaxx@fluxbuntu/founder/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] Hobbsee: You thought of trademarking that? :p [03:42] a shame there's no pool handy [03:43] you didtn throw me in it even when there was one [03:43] I know, it's quite a pit [03:43] s/pit/pity/ [03:43] thoggen is at the same version in feisty and gutsy [03:43] good thing decent people stopped you [03:43] both using gstream 0.10 [03:43] hewhocutsdown: ok [03:44] Hobbsee: they did? [03:44] how did you find slomo? I'm looking through packages.ubuntu.com and can't see any connection to a maintainer === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === joejaxx was kicked off #ubuntu-motu by Hobbsee (YOU FAIL YOUR DODGING ATTEMPT) === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o Hobbsee] by Hobbsee [03:44] I don't recall anyone leaping to your aid === joejaxx [n=joejaxx@fluxbuntu/founder/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] ajmitch: i seem to remember the glare of doom from tollef made you stop [03:44] ROFL [03:44] hewhocutsdown: slomo hangs out here often [03:44] https://launchpad.net/~slomo [03:44] nah [03:44] joejaxx: *grin* [03:44] Hobbsee: :D [03:45] the ubuntu-desktop list might also be a good place to start [03:45] joejaxx: If you need sdome defence next time, I'll lend you my specially re-enforced cane. [03:45] bah [03:45] I always manage to fend off Hobbsee with that. [03:45] your puny cane [03:45] lol === Hobbsee was thinking of stealing that. [03:45] That never works. [03:46] sure it does! [03:46] but it would require coming to slug again [03:46] See!!!!!!!1 [03:46] Never works!!!!! [03:46] ok [03:46] oh... And it would require me going to SLUG again === ajmitch hasn't been to a dunlug meeting for a long long time [03:47] ajmitch: Shame on you! [03:47] hewhocutsdown: chase me down if you cannot find slomo === suppressingfire [n=burner@cpe-24-24-95-18.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cas3 [n=cas3@adsl-072-148-034-250.sip.tys.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] will do === suppressingfire [n=burner@cpe-24-24-95-18.stny.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === joejaxx has never been to any lug meetings [03:48] :\ [03:48] joejaxx: The first is free :) [03:48] s/lug/heckler/ [03:48] do the repos have packetfence in it yet? [03:48] Hobbsee: :P [03:49] cas3: no [03:49] Hobbsee: That was funny. [03:49] sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison packetfence [03:49] sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ [03:49] lies, her real name is Bob. [03:49] Hobbsee: is there any reason why or just no one has gotten around to it? [03:49] cas3: "because no one has put it in there" [03:49] cas3: Is it in Debian? [03:49] and probably wont, unless tehy're interested in it [03:50] TheMuso: no [03:50] crimsun: its Ees Bboh [03:50] Ah ok. === Hobbsee cheers at madison-lite [03:50] thanks for the info [03:50] Hobbsee: what about apt-cache policy ? :( [03:51] well actually [03:51] joejaxx: that works too. apt-cache madison shows more info. well, of the kind that you want [03:51] that would mean you have to have all the components enabled [03:51] Hobbsee: ah ok [03:51] true === Hobbsee uses madison-lite for checking which release, etc [03:51] although that doesnt output the component, ie main, universe [03:52] Hobbsee: Yes it does. [03:52] oh wait, yes it does [03:52] kdenetwork | 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu9 | feisty/universe | all [03:52] looks wrong, though [03:53] uh... [03:53] sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison kdenetwork [03:53] kdenetwork | 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages [03:53] kdenetwork | 4:3.5.6-2ubuntu1 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au gutsy/universe Packages [03:53] kdenetwork | 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Sources [03:53] i wonder why kdenetwork binary is in universe [03:54] why wouldn't it be? [03:54] it's not like you need it [03:54] thought it was a dep of k-d === ajmitch guesses that individual packages were promoted to main, not the metapackages [03:55] seems so [03:58] thanks for all the input; it water feels a little less murky and threatening. I'll try and get ahold of slomo or I'll talk to you, Burgundavia. All the best [03:58] *the waters [03:58] no worries === hendrixski [n=hendrixs@cpe-66-66-116-69.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:05] oh no, I think I made a boo boo with my pgp key [04:13] PriceChild: under what license is gizmod-3.1/scripts/* distributed? [04:13] my account on launchpad was for a different address than I had my pgp key for [04:13] what should I do? [04:14] PriceChild: excluding the references in gizmod-3.1/debian/copyright for gizmod-3.1/scripts/* [04:14] hendrixski: use gpg --edit-key, and add the LP address, or change the address on LP [04:14] hendrixski: You can either add you email on your key to launchpad, or add your email in launchpad to your key. [04:14] crimsun, the .py's will be Tim's and apache2'd afaik because they contain nothing else in the file. [04:15] PriceChild: it seems a bit odd that the APL v2.0 boilerplate isn't in said .pys [04:16] crimsun, agreed... [04:16] crimsun, but they're all gizmod stuff and tim's work afaict [04:16] persia, oh, so I can just change my address and have launchpad re-send the verification email? [04:16] that won't break anything? [04:16] hendrixski: yep [04:17] hendrixski: I think you have to not only add the address, but set it as preferred, but yes. [04:17] PriceChild: that is my assumption, too, but the archive admins are not as forgiving === hendrixski wipes brow [04:17] for a second I thought I totally messed everything up [04:18] PriceChild: to be safe, please clarify with Tim under what license they're distributed [04:18] crimsun, what do you suggest then... ask Tim to release a source with all of those with the apache2 boilerplates? State that they're all his in /debian/copyright? [04:18] right ok [04:18] He's on holiday atm so will do that when he gets back at the weekend :) [04:18] Thanks crimsun [04:21] np [04:21] persia, Hobbsee also another quick question... I can use that one PGP key on several mail accounts? or do I need a separate key per email account that I want to have encryption on? [04:22] nope, you can add as many emails to that key as you like [04:22] hendrixski: You can have one key. Hobbsee gave you the command to add email addresses earlier. === Jucato [n=jucato@210.213.223.169] has joined #ubuntu-motu === concept10 [n=concept1@ppp-70-247-163-181.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:22] oh... the edit-key thing right right... misunderstood that one === hendrixski should change his name to stupidNewbie... 'cause I'm definately feeling dense lately [04:23] gpg stuff is confusing. [04:24] GPG stuff is very confusing at first. When you've dealt with it for a little while, it starts to make a wierd kind of sense. [04:25] same can be said for alsa. [04:25] so...hobbsee... [04:25] :-) === Hobbsee gives crimsun the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! treatment. [04:25] yes, crimsun? [04:25] crimsun: Don't give ALSA to Hobbsee, she's insane enough. === Hobbsee will find other sharp implements to use if attempted to be given ALSA too much. [04:26] Heh [04:27] Just grep for my name in the alsa-driver changelog... [04:31] Hobbsee, yeah... very confusing: so I typed in gpg --edit-key it sais I need to specify option, I check the man page and it looks like the option I'm looking for is adduid... but that doesn't seem to do anything when I type it in [04:31] aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrggggggggggg === hendrixski throws things at GPG [04:32] adduid sounds right, last i checked [04:33] that's what I thought... which is why I'm surprised that it just prints out "this is free software" and then closes [04:34] hendrixski: gpg --edit-key [04:36] sigh, why can't people on forums learn to file bugs? [04:36] Because they're forum users. === StevenK ducks. [04:36] obviously [04:37] StevenK, oh, I must have mis-typed my key the previous time.. it worked :-) === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:38] ajmitch: because teh forums are The World. [04:39] ajmitch, hey I'm still a forum user... and I'm just now learning how to file bugs, and use launchpad, and all that good stuff [04:39] (and package, and digitally sign things, woot) [04:39] hendrixski: but you've made the most important step [04:40] hendrixski: at least you try & file bugs [04:40] hendrixski: realising that there's a world of ubuntu outside of the forums, which will often let you contribute to more people's experience than the forums do. [04:40] hendrixski: it's irritating to have to wade through forum threads to find out about a problem that should be in the bug tracker [04:41] Hobbsee, ajmitch I found out about bug filing and stuff on the forums [04:41] yes [04:41] and... practically everything else I learned about ubuntu up to this point. [04:41] :) === SlimG [n=robert@84.205.58.245] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:41] but some people just don't see the notices there about how to file a bug & just put a forum thread up anyway [04:41] hendrixski: yes - there's been a push to replicate someof the info over there, to get people off the forums, and put them into more useful endeavours [04:42] i mean, the forums are useful to a point - and then you're just treading water. [04:42] Is the priority in DEBIAN/control of a game "optional" or "extra" ? [04:42] Hobbsee, you're very right! They're a great starting point. But as I know more and more, I post there less and less [04:42] exactly [04:42] hendrixski++ [04:42] SlimG: optional unless is breaks something else, then extra. [04:43] ++ ? [04:43] thanks persia! [04:43] hendrixski: i mean, by the time you can search for any answer you'll ever want on the forums, there's no net-benefit in posting there [04:43] because everything can be found with a search [04:43] hendrixski: means "i agree with you" [04:43] ah [04:43] hendrixski: like hendrixski +1 [04:43] (used in c++ and such) [04:44] yeah. The search feature on the forums is pretty useful. And has never in history been used by anyone with a bean count of less than 50 [04:44] Hobbsee: C++ is "more than C". +1 is newer. Unless I'm confused, and you really like C? === Hobbsee hasnt done C [04:45] hendrixski: heh. i probablyhave that. [04:45] or did have === TheMuso understands the syntax of C, but just doesn't know all the necessary .h files one has to include for many things. [04:46] I am able to work out what a function does/where other functions are from that it calls, given well written code and comments. [04:46] TheMuso: The easiest way is to grep -r `/usr/include $myfunction` [04:47] persia: Thats what I do, if the function is not within the projet itself. [04:47] with the ` in the right place :) [04:47] project === persia has the same problem for C++ === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:48] Oh, and those **variables confuse me also. [04:48] I understand pointers, but those confuse me. [04:49] hendrixski: hey now, I have a bean count < 50 :) === TheMuso is sure he also has a bean count of < 50. === ajmitch isn't a super top active forums contributor like Hobbsee [04:50] hah === Hobbsee just posts sarcastic and bomb'd replies [04:50] then they close the threads :) [04:50] a shining example of the developer community [04:50] ajmitch, I meant to say that nobody who'se new to the scene uses that [04:51] like "i really cant see the point in this thread being open, as still no one has actually volunteered to do the work. if they do, please write to with plans, to see if there's anyone willing to help out" [04:51] like... the first couple of times I posted I was like "oh, this is kind of like a replacement for googling, right?" [04:51] === ajmitch has only been on the forums since 2005 [04:51] I like those posts Hobbsee [04:51] :D [04:51] there's nothing "only" about them [04:51] The more they're told the more will listen. [04:52] :-( evolution keeps crashing :-( [04:53] Is there any way for dpatch to represent a binary file change? [04:53] say a png? [04:54] superm1: Not really. The best way is to include foo.png.uu, and uudecode it during the build. [04:54] yick, but i guess it will have to do :) [04:54] superm1: Also, for many uses of .png, you can get by with .xpm, which isn't binary :) [04:55] well i'm not sure if this plugin can support xpm (i'm patching mythweather) [04:55] YAY!!!!!! I got my key on launchpad!!! === hendrixski does a little dance [04:55] superm1: Hence "many". you'll probably have to uuencode in that case. [04:55] yup [04:55] thanks persia [04:55] Now... Launchpad can see the other email address that I have on my pgp key, but can anyone else? [04:56] hendrixski: What's your LP ID? [04:56] your key is public, so yes [04:56] sorry - misread. I thought the other address on LP. [04:58] oh... if that's my business addres... should I assume that nobody would care enough to email me on it once they see my launchpad email, or should I consider getting a separate key for that address? === Pumpernickel [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matthew_ [n=matthew@c-69-143-121-184.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:16] good night everyone ! === freeflying [n=freeflyi@124.64.106.49] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-b67aefb9adf132c5] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === macd_ [n=d@adsl-222-63-74.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.174.62] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium_ [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === inrs [n=ubun@bas11-montreal02-1096595598.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:20] hi [06:20] i need some help with ndiswrapper [06:21] i don't have internet connection and i need to install the graphical tool: ndisgtk i think === inrs [n=ubun@bas11-montreal02-1096595598.dsl.bell.ca] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [06:22] i think you want #ubuntu === inrs [n=ubun@bas11-montreal02-1096595598.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:22] Hi [06:22] is there someone here? [06:23] inrs: Your exit missed the response to your question. For support requests, #ubuntu is the appropriate channel. [06:24] :) [06:24] sorry [06:24] inrs, or #ubuntu-offtopic in case #ubuntu is too active [06:25] ah ok [06:25] but ndiswrapper is a universe package, no? [06:25] this is not the place for universe support? [06:25] Thanks [06:26]