[12:26] <superm1> oh check your spam majoridiot
[12:26] <superm1> i did get an answer 7 min ago
[12:26] <superm1> and gmail flagged it spam
[12:28] <majoridiot> yup.  flagged mine as spam, too... it didn't forward.
[12:28] <superm1> i think it is because there is no sender on it
[12:29] <superm1> so once your in
[12:30] <majoridiot> ok... set up.
[12:30] <superm1> there is a wysiwyg editor available for editting pages, but i dont like it much myself
[12:30] <superm1> i've done most of the pages in google docs and then copied and pasted the html
[12:30] <superm1> but if you find a better method or a plugin or anything, we can install whatever we want on the box
[12:31] <majoridiot> i'll play with it later and see
[12:31] <superm1> I'm not sure if there is a mechanism for easily uploading files on it as of yet (for pictures), but that is something else that we will need to investigate
[12:31] <superm1> haha DaveMorris
[12:31] <majoridiot> just what i need... another freakin editor to learn. ;)
[12:31] <DaveMorris> and I'm only 24
[12:31] <superm1> yea thats why i just do mine in google docs :)
[12:32] <superm1> it uses what it calls filtered html
[12:33] <majoridiot> 24... meh.  'tis but a kid
[12:34] <majoridiot> :P
[12:34] <superm1> but anyway.  i think the most ideal thing to do would be a few simple docs.  Mythbuntu should be pretty straightforward on its own, but we should at least have a FAQ, a Release Notes, and a short little install guide that walks you through the procedure and outlines the steps a bit more
[12:34] <DaveMorris> anyone here use latex?
[12:34] <superm1> i'm going to start using it this fall
[12:34] <superm1> on the todo list to learn
[12:34] <DaveMorris> its nice, esp combined with SC
[12:35] <DaveMorris> but I'm trying to work out how to do source code syntax highlighing
[12:35] <majoridiot> well, be sure to holla as soon as there is a semi-final image to burn and install...
[12:35] <majoridiot> (as far as steps and procedures go)
[12:36] <superm1> k majoridiot
[12:36] <superm1> ah great :)
[12:36] <superm1> i think whats needed also is to identify everyone that we should list on there
[12:36] <superm1> as contributing (since they aren't all in the LP groups)
[12:37] <superm1> because we'll get rogue780|mythsvr and tgm4883 in here every so often chatting away with some people, and gardengnome (laga) needs to be listed as working on svn packaging now
[12:37] <majoridiot> someone will need to compile that list... i only know of the ones listed.
[12:37] <superm1> ah ok
[12:37] <superm1> well i was wondering if I should poke newlinux and a few of the other guys that have been all over the forums
[12:37] <superm1> like i've logged in once or twice every day or two, and they just handle all the posts, there is little for me to help with now :)
[12:38] <superm1> because then we can get a good breakdown of where people are contributing (support, docs, packaging, mythbuntu, etc)
[12:38] <superm1> and list that as well
[12:40] <majoridiot> agreed
[12:40] <superm1> all in all i think the we'll have 8-12 people listed then on that page
[12:40] <superm1> i'll send out some pms tonight when i get hoem
[12:40] <majoridiot> i haven't had the time or energy to do much in the forums lately- at least not new topics.
[12:41] <DaveMorris> You just gonna put the irc names, or irc, full name, email, site?
[12:41] <majoridiot> only 7 now
[12:41] <superm1> DaveMorris, we should do as much as possible
[12:41] <majoridiot> and there are certainly as many more that should be listed, if they so choose
[12:41] <superm1> so probably irc, full name and emali
[12:42] <superm1> majoridiot, understandable, you can spend hours on the forums and just barely scratch the surface of how many people can use a hand ;)
[12:42] <superm1> lately i've been more working on mythbuntu related items than having time for support myself
[12:42] <majoridiot> (not counting the ones that want to immediately disregard or argue with your proposed solutions) :S
[12:44] <DaveMorris> btw do we have backups of the servers taking place?
[12:44] <superm1> i'm not sure if imbrandon is handling backups or not
[12:45] <superm1> all of our code that is in use is in bzr
[12:45] <superm1> so in the event something died, that is simple checkout
[12:45] <DaveMorris> if not I've got a machine here which can download them, I've got about 300GB left on my raid 5 atm
[12:45] <DaveMorris> but I'm sitting on the end of DSL, so only 2Mbit/sec
[12:46] <superm1> DaveMorris, we should check with imbrandon if he is handling it or not.  If not, at least backing up drupal, /home,  and a few things in /etc would be a good idea
[12:47] <DaveMorris> I still need to sort out the dumping my mythtv databases nightly
[12:48] <superm1> the packages do it for you
[12:48] <superm1> they back it up to a directory in /var
[12:48] <superm1> i think weekly
[12:53] <DaveMorris> do they
[12:53] <DaveMorris> still on the same drive though ;)
[12:54] <superm1> well you set up a cron job to scp them out
[12:54] <superm1> somewhere else
[12:54] <superm1> or to at least move them somewhere else
[12:58] <DaveMorris> yeah I know
[12:59] <DaveMorris> jsut not got around to doing it yet
[12:59] <superm1> ah
[01:00] <superm1> DaveMorris, you said next week you'll be able to look more into mythdora and knoppmyth's method of presetup and module loading order right/
[01:00] <DaveMorris> bendaily is checking out mythdora
[01:01] <DaveMorris> I've got knoppmyth
[01:01] <DaveMorris> but yeah netx week
[01:01] <superm1> k
[01:01] <superm1> well i'll be ready to drop in whatever you find out by next week hopefully
[01:01] <superm1> with where i'm at with ubiquity thus far
[01:01] <DaveMorris> I've got a ncie box setup to try it on etc
[01:02] <superm1> doesn't even need to necessarily be on a box, you can do it all in a VM
[01:02] <superm1> i think
[01:02] <DaveMorris> the only problem I can see, is that we won't have a big enough databases of devices etc
[01:02] <DaveMorris> I'd rather put it into fesity+2
[01:03] <DaveMorris> and put in feisty+1 a way fro peple to report back the settings  they have to get  cards working etc along with details of cards
[01:03] <superm1> well the database will be there already from these other distros i'd tihnk
[01:03] <superm1> but won't really know untli you look into it
[01:05] <DaveMorris> yeah, but we might not be able to steal there databases etc
[01:05] <DaveMorris> I've no idea what the licenicing side of things are
[01:05] <superm1> well i'd imagine they are GPL, but you'll have to see
[01:05] <superm1> if they are some other license, we can always adapt too
[01:06] <ompaul> superm1, anything else I can help with, btw he had removed the TV card :-( but we will put it in on the next visit
[01:07] <superm1> ah good ompaul .  I think thus far we're good for channel stuff
[01:07] <superm1> thanks for stopping in and getting all of this going for us
[01:07] <ompaul> well I had the joys of UDS and 3 years of ubuntu now so I kind of do some payback ;-)
[01:08] <ompaul> one has to build ones gnewsense from ubuntu you know ;-)
[01:08] <superm1> oh is gnewsense based from ubuntu?
[01:08] <ompaul> most certainly
[01:09] <ompaul> when stallman and shuttleworth met in tunis at some summit (internet society thing I think) they both said gnubuntu and meant different things
[01:10] <superm1> thats the first thing that came to mind for me too
[01:10] <superm1> gnubuntu
[01:10] <superm1> so whose idea is this more like?
[01:10] <ompaul> well I had an audience of one for the distro
[01:11] <ompaul> and he now runs it
[01:11] <ompaul> I told the guy with the multiple of millions of users I would get the audience of one running ubuntu by code if it was not by name
[01:12] <ompaul> it seems I managed to do that
[01:12] <superm1> this looks like a very neat project you've got going here
[01:12] <ompaul> with the help of the brains of the outfit
[01:12] <ompaul> brian brazil
[01:12] <ompaul> or is that brain brazil :)
[01:12] <ompaul> so now ya know
[01:13] <ompaul> the fact that the fsf runs it on servers now and so forth is kinda cool
[01:13] <ompaul> I got ubuntu dapper and feisty gnewsense and gnusense-kde running on different boxes
[01:13] <ompaul> kind of mad
[01:14] <ompaul> but you can't make an omlette without breaking eggs
[01:14] <ompaul> or was that smashing kernels
[01:14] <ompaul> heh
[01:14] <superm1> thats gotta feel great to know you've got big guys like that using it
[01:14] <superm1> haha
[01:14] <ompaul> it has its moments
[01:14] <ompaul> lets just say my name is well known in some places
[01:15] <ompaul> ohh no get him off the phone :)
[01:15] <superm1> when i moved up to my current location and started my internship, i was talking to some guys that work up here about what i do with mythtv and ubuntu.  and their reaction was wow! so i'm using your packages, nice job dude!
[01:17] <Daviey> ompaul, wha's the difference between gnewsense and debian?
[01:17] <ompaul> Daviey, the debian kernel is more polluted
[01:17] <Daviey> with non-free stuff or just bloat?
[01:17] <ompaul> non free
[01:17] <ompaul> that is our only bug
[01:18] <Daviey> like intel's wifi module?
[01:18] <ompaul> ehh are you on the gns site?
[01:18] <Daviey> no
[01:18] <Daviey> maybe i should see if you have a FAQ :)
[01:18] <ompaul> gnus not solaris (ohh yes it is)
[01:18] <ompaul> or will be some day
[01:19] <ompaul> Daviey, go to the "builder script" stuff and checkout the gen kernel script
[01:19] <ompaul> it tells you the crack we remove
[01:19] <Daviey> yes sir
[01:19] <ompaul> dude chill :-)
[01:19] <ompaul> you can as easy tell me to shhhhhh :)
[01:20] <Daviey> Oh don't worry, i say "yes sir" to everybody
[01:20] <Daviey> poor ompaul
[01:20] <ompaul> I filed it but the doc said Won't Fix - here have some time off work and some drugs
[01:20] <ompaul> they might help a little but its a won't fix
[01:21] <Daviey> I think the idea of a fully free OS is great!  - But i won't use it until the wireless drivers are made free :(
[01:22] <ompaul> well the chance of that as long as cards are not made on a per market basis is slim
[01:22] <ompaul> however there are people who know the story and they are not totally not listening they are pretending not to
[01:22] <ompaul> there is a market for fanatics
[01:22] <ompaul> :)
[01:23] <ompaul> the question is it wide enough to build you a card that works where ever you are on the planet
[01:23] <ompaul> which by the way is the justification for the binary blobs but there ya go
[01:23] <ompaul> well there are more politics to it than that but that is another story
[01:24] <Daviey> heh..  I guess you have your own repo's?
[01:24] <ompaul> well they are essentially ubuntu's repos with very few changes
[01:24] <Daviey> Do you merge from upstream then remove what you don't like?
[01:25] <ompaul> well kind of
[01:25] <ompaul> we take main and universe
[01:25] <ompaul> obviously not restricted
[01:25] <Daviey> heh
[01:25] <ompaul> then we remove one or two packages
[01:25] <ompaul> and kill off some files in the kernel and rebuild it
[01:25] <ompaul> and then
[01:25] <ompaul> kill off firefox and rebuild it with the name burning dog
[01:25] <Daviey> and obv. not multiverse :)
[01:26] <ompaul> it gets symlinked to firefox
[01:26] <Daviey> are mozilla foundation happy with that?
[01:26] <ompaul> they got no choice
[01:26] <Daviey> didn't debian get burned for that?
[01:26] <ompaul> it is not branding
[01:26] <ompaul> no they got burned for calling it firefox
[01:26] <ompaul> and changing stuff
[01:26] <ompaul> we got a link to not break the desktop
[01:26] <ompaul> a symlink
[01:26] <Daviey> IceWeasel?
[01:27] <ompaul> that would be an upstream thing
[01:27] <ompaul> and then we would have two problems
[01:27] <Daviey> Isn't IceWeasel firefox without the branding/logo's?
[01:27] <ompaul> IW from debian --- ehhhh or IW from the FSF
[01:27] <ompaul> we have no branding or logos
[01:27] <ompaul> we also don't do extention downloads
[01:27] <ompaul> as most of them are non free
[01:28] <ompaul> so you can't download extentions with bd
[01:28] <ompaul> so we looked at that
[01:28] <ompaul> and we though you know we could but we have this thing called binary compatibity with upstream as far as possible
[01:28] <ompaul> so there is a third way
[01:29] <Daviey> ;)
[01:29] <ompaul> burning dog
[01:29] <ompaul> fire       fox
[01:29] <ompaul> any one see the pun?
[01:29] <ompaul> any two see the pun?
[01:29] <ompaul> :)
[01:29] <Daviey> burning vixon :)
[01:29] <ompaul> no
[01:29] <ompaul> that would be aluding to the species
[01:30] <ompaul> burning bob would have been possible but not very PC
[01:30] <Daviey> ;)
[01:30] <ompaul> and the logo for "bob" with the pipe
[01:31] <Daviey> ompaul, sounds like a great project..  wish you luck :)
[01:31] <ompaul> ohh noooooes its jono
[01:31] <ompaul> :)
[01:38] <ompaul> right I am off to the land of sleep cheers
[01:40] <superm1> Daviey, any chance ot poke around with setting up the metas today o no?
[01:40] <Daviey> superm1, which ones?!
[01:40] <Daviey> heh
[01:40] <jono> :)
[01:40] <superm1> haha very funny
[01:41] <Daviey> I've got meta's coming out my ears.  ;)
[01:41] <superm1> out your ears and into bzr?
[01:41] <Daviey> hopefully
[01:41] <Daviey> You mean the theme meta's?
[01:41] <superm1> the build script metas
[01:41] <Daviey> oh..  I haven't started that yet
[01:42] <superm1> ohok
[01:42] <Daviey> Almost finished the theme meta's tho ;)
[01:42] <superm1> oh forgot to tell you today
[01:42] <superm1> guess what was uploaded ?
[01:42] <superm1> (finally)
[01:42] <Daviey> no
[01:42] <Daviey> your lieing
[01:42] <superm1> mythbuntu-artwork-usplash is coming into gutsy!!!!!
[01:42] <Daviey> *surely* there was _something_ wrong
[01:42] <superm1> crimsun uploaded it yesterday evening
[01:43] <Daviey> An extra space character at EOF or something...
[01:43] <superm1> lol
[01:43] <superm1> well if there was, he let it go
[01:44] <Daviey> jono, are you still here?
[01:44] <jono> Daviey: about to go
[01:44] <Daviey> As community rep - can you do us a favour?
[01:44] <jono> Daviey: what?
[01:44] <Daviey> kick canonical's mailing list admins into touch?
[01:44] <Daviey> been waiting 2months + for a ML
[01:44] <Daviey> for ubuntu-mythtv
[01:45] <superm1> (@l.u.c of course)
[01:52] <Daviey> jono ?
[01:54] <jono> Daviey: I can try
[01:54] <jono> did you file an RT?
[01:54] <superm1> i did jono
[01:54] <jono> right
[01:54] <jono> will check into it tomorrow
[01:54] <jono> I am off to bed now
[01:54] <jono> night
[01:54] <jono> :)
[01:55] <superm1> night jono
[01:55] <Daviey> nn, thanks jono
[01:56] <jono> np :)
[02:08] <superm1> okay majoridiot i'm gonna take off from work for the evening.  i'll be back on an hr or two
[02:08] <superm1> when i get home and eat
[02:08] <superm1> night~
[02:08] <majoridiot> nite
[02:08] <majoridiot> (on phone)
[02:21] <a5benwillis> Either of you guys good with getting php5 to work with edgy?
[02:21] <a5benwillis> its killing me here
[02:21] <a5benwillis> oh no's, super left already
[03:17] <a5benwillis> anybody here tonight?
[03:17] <QuadForce> help please
[03:17] <QuadForce> I'm trying to rip a dvd using mythdvd... i have the disc in the drive, but it just says "No jobs. Checking and/or waiting for DVD. anyone got an idea?
[03:29] <superm1> QuadForce, try starting mtd
[03:29] <superm1> before mythfrontend
[03:29] <superm1> a5benwillis, i'm here
[03:29] <superm1> whats up?
[03:29] <a5benwillis> trying to help this guy with mythdvd
[03:29] <a5benwillis> I got my apache issue fixed :-)
[03:30] <a5benwillis> I have the same issue with mythdvd so it would be nice to see how to fix it
[03:31] <a5benwillis> or make it work if it aint broke
[03:32] <superm1> Well can't say i've ripped a dvd ever with it.
[03:32] <superm1> Its been on my todo for ages
[03:32] <defendguin> is it just me or is the music player interface for mythtv lame?
[03:32] <superm1> actually there is a bug opened about it that i was supposed to look into a while ago
[03:33] <superm1> a5benwillis, if you dont get it sussed out by later on, i'll see if i can look at it.  i'm merging d-m packages right now with us
[03:33] <superm1> defendguin, yes it is
[03:33] <QuadForce> when I try "mtd" I get a bunch of libread errors
[03:33] <a5benwillis> did you use sudo?
[03:34] <QuadForce> yes
[03:34] <QuadForce> libdvdread: checkvalue failed
[03:35] <a5benwillis> sudo apt-get install libdvdread
[03:36] <a5benwillis> that may have to be done from source... cant remember
[03:36] <QuadForce> cant find package
[03:36] <a5benwillis> I have it installed. let me see if I still have the link
[03:36] <superm1> sudo apt-get install libdvdread3
[03:36] <superm1> you'll probably also need libdvdcss2 (but i'm not sure about that)
[03:37] <a5benwillis> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[03:37] <rogue780|mythsvr> !libdvdcss
[03:37] <a5benwillis> that links for libdvdcss2
[03:37] <rogue780|mythsvr> so...ubotu works different here?
[03:39] <rogue780|mythsvr> whoa...what the heck happened?
[03:42] <rogue780|mythsvr> ok...um, so sorry about that paste thing. I have NO idea how it happened. I was at work from 7:00AM 'til 5:00PM....so, again. quite sorry
[03:43] <rogue780|mythsvr> anyone have any theories on what could have caused it?
[03:43] <superm1> !dvd
[03:43] <superm1> hm guess ubotu decided to break
 For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:45] <superm1> rogue780|mythsvr, no ideas how that could have happend
[03:45] <superm1> as keescook said, my xchat window turned into a xmas tree: )
[03:47] <keescook> rogue780|mythsvr: cats?  :)
[03:48] <a5benwillis> superm1: still getting a funny error with mtd
[03:48] <a5benwillis> "*** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in ifo_read.c:1417 ***
[03:48] <a5benwillis> *** for c_adt->cell_adr_table[i] .cell_id > 0 ***
[03:48] <a5benwillis> "
[03:48] <a5benwillis> installed libdvdread and css
[03:51] <superm1> a5benwillis, do you have another dvd to try?
[03:54] <a5benwillis> sure
[03:54] <superm1> one that you know is rippable at least
[03:56] <Daviey> superm1, come quick
[03:56] <Daviey> you there?
[03:56] <superm1> yea
[03:56] <superm1> whats up?
[03:56] <a5benwillis> as in unencrypted
[03:58] <Daviey> arg http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_org_opening_to_the_public_soon
[03:59] <superm1> oh no.....
[03:59] <Daviey> oh yes :(
[03:59] <superm1> imbrandon,  you there?
[03:59] <superm1> you might want to be ready with pegasus
[04:00] <Daviey> need a new hamster?
[04:00] <Daviey> Trying to formulate a 'reply' - but so tired can'
[04:00] <Daviey> t
[04:00] <Daviey> Want to say - 'it's very alpha atm' etc
[04:00] <superm1> why are you awake still?
[04:01] <Daviey> My RSS - mythbuntu alarm clock woke me
[04:01] <Daviey> monitors RSS feeds and sets off an alarm if mentioned
[04:02] <superm1> lol
[04:02] <superm1> rss alarm clock
[04:02] <superm1> thats a new one
[04:02] <Daviey> not really - daughter woke up
[04:03] <superm1> ah
[04:04] <superm1> are there two other mythtv derivatives that i dont know about?
[04:04] <superm1> for ubuntu or is this person just very poorly mistaken?
[04:04] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[04:04] <superm1> woah ubotu, that was so 20 minutes ago
[04:06] <Daviey> mistaken
[04:06] <Daviey> i'm sure
[04:08] <Daviey> I would like to make a warning to anybody intending to try the ISO - it's still very alpha.  Currently it can be used as a Mythtv fronted directly from the livecd.
[04:08] <Daviey> However, we are still working on the installation procedure for a frontend/backend install.  So i would advise people hold off really testing it for the time being.
[04:08] <Daviey> Soon we should have a mailing list, that we can announce a beta iso on - watch this space.
[04:09] <Daviey> doh.. bleedin xchat
[04:09] <a5benwillis> thanks Daviey
[04:09] <superm1> haha
[04:09] <a5benwillis> :-)
[04:09] <superm1> thats good, beat met to finding my digg pw
[04:09] <Daviey> first line went pm, others went here.  sorry a5benwillis
[04:10] <Daviey> superm1, gotta love cookies
[04:10] <Daviey> no idea what mine is either
[04:10] <superm1> my desktop has it saved, but that desktop is in the living room since my frontend died.  its my current fe now
[04:10] <Daviey> heh
[04:12] <Daviey> anyway, gonna try bed again
[04:12] <Daviey> nn
[04:17] <superm1> a5benwillis, yes unencrypted is the best bet to make sure everything else is sane
[04:19] <a5benwillis> QuadForce is the one trying it... Im just helping
[04:19] <QuadForce> got an older movie to show up
[04:20] <QuadForce> how do you "Process Selected title" ?
[04:20] <QuadForce> i hit tab, but it never goes there
[04:20] <QuadForce> lol
[04:52] <superm1> ls
[04:52] <superm1> oops
[04:53] <frank23> If I install the mythweb in feisty, is the web interface only visible from my computer or can others (on the internet) connect?
[04:53] <frank23> what are the default settings?
[04:53] <superm1> all
[04:53] <superm1> your computer and the internet
[04:54] <a5benwillis> if your computer is internet accessible yes
[04:54] <frank23> superm1: How can I disable access from the internet?
[04:55] <frank23> superm1: (or at least protect it)
[04:55] <superm1> put it behind a router
[04:55] <superm1> is the easiest way
[04:55] <superm1> or create a htaccess file
[04:55] <superm1> or just bind apache to the localhost interface
[04:55] <superm1> rather than all interfaces
[04:56] <frank23> superm1: it's already behind a router...
[04:56] <superm1> then dont forward port 80
[04:56] <superm1> and you'll be fine
[04:56] <frank23> superm1: ok
[04:58] <frank23> superm1: How would I bind apache to localhost? do you mean the loopback interface?
[04:59] <frank23> It works!
[05:08] <frank23> I was wondering... why was the automatic daily mythfilldatabase disabled for datadirect? Wouldn't the once a day update with the 'let server decide when' setting be a suitable default?
[05:11] <superm1> u have to set it up in the frontend now
[05:13] <frank23> If the frontend is never on, the backend would not get schedule updates?
[06:07] <superm1> imbrandon, you there?
[06:07] <imbrandon> superm1: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
[06:07] <superm1> imbrandon,I was going to ask you about ulive, how soon do hotels and such fill up for these sorts of things?
[06:33] <superm1> frank23, its just for setting up for the first time
[06:33] <superm1> the backend handles doing the job
[06:33] <superm1> its because it will get data from datadirect indicating when to do a guide update next
[06:34] <superm1> based on tms's rotation schedule
[09:03] <superm1> Daviey, your up early?
[09:04] <superm1> or maybe i'm going to bed late again....
[09:04] <Daviey> @work :(
[09:04] <superm1> i dont know the difference anymore
[09:04] <Daviey> heh
[09:10] <Daviey> Must be silly o'clock for then superm1 ?
[09:10] <Daviey> - for you...
[09:11] <superm1> well i've been kludging at this merge all night
[09:11] <superm1> with mythtv and mythplugins
[09:11] <superm1> running into little things here and there that are turning into trouble
[09:11] <superm1> and requiring a rebuild
[09:11] <superm1> at the same time i was trying to fix mythweather usign the patch on trac
[09:12] <superm1> but its turning out to be a packaging mess because it also introduces several new binary files
[09:14] <Daviey> oh, that's a point have you merged the changes that IMDB require?
[09:15] <Daviey> What merge are you doing with mythtv & plugins?
[09:16] <Daviey> - imdb, i see it has :)
[09:17] <Daviey> old news eh?
[09:18] <superm1> yes
[09:18] <superm1> w/ new version at debian multimedia.  its been a long time since i merged with christian's changes
[09:19] <superm1> so i also want to send him back up a list of the stuff we changed
[09:19] <Daviey> I was wondering about debian upstream actually
[09:19] <Daviey> Are you supply a diff?  Or list of changes?
[09:20] <superm1> well the way that we've been doing it is a list of changes
[09:20] <superm1> and what he is interested in upstream i give him more info
[09:21] <superm1> in the mythtv packages i'm making all the depends on msttcorefonts change already
[09:21] <superm1> to fake-msttcorefonts | msttcorefonts
[09:21] <superm1> so your locked in at that name now :)
[09:21] <Daviey> ahhh
[09:21] <Daviey> I was going to question that name
[09:22] <superm1> well actually i havent committed to bzr yet
[09:22] <Daviey> Wasn't sure if -motu would like it
[09:22] <superm1> you've got about 40 minutes to decide
[09:22] <superm1> :)
[09:22] <Daviey> heh
[09:22] <superm1> well can you think of a better name?
[09:22] <superm1> er more appropriate name
[09:23] <Daviey> not easily..
[09:23] <superm1> well i'm just going to commit this for now, it can always be changed though
[09:23] <Daviey> ;)
[09:23] <Daviey> np
[09:25] <Daviey> that scared me
[09:25] <superm1> haha
[09:26] <superm1> i was just going to comment that i need to learn to work on one thing at a time, or get a bigger workspace.  its bad when two monitors isn't enough
[09:26] <Daviey> hehe - i can't see it easily
[09:28] <Daviey> A note on the recent db bug
[09:28] <Daviey> bug 109950
[09:28] <Daviey> - that affects all kubuntu users?
[09:29] <Daviey> ubotu's being slow eh?
[09:29] <superm1> I've got the fix for that one in this upload though
[09:29] <superm1> if i'm remembering it correctly
[09:29] <superm1> about update-notifier
[09:29] <Daviey> yes
[09:30] <Daviey> Isn't update-notifier a KDE thing?
[09:30] <Daviey> sorry
[09:30] <Daviey> gnome
[09:30] <superm1> I didn't think it was
[09:30] <Daviey> I'm wrong
[09:30] <superm1> well its partk of ubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-desktop depends only
[09:30] <superm1> so perhaps
[09:31] <superm1> well what is the comparable product in kubuntu then?
[09:31] <Daviey> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/update-notifier
[09:31] <Daviey> Supports gnome, kde and xfce :)
[09:31] <superm1> oh good
[09:31] <Daviey> so it should be fine :)
[09:32] <superm1> okay then depend on update-notifier isn't a big deal
[09:32] <superm1> its only needed for mythtv-database anyhow
[09:32] <superm1> so a frontend only kde system won't getit
[09:32] <Daviey> hmm
[09:32] <Daviey> does that mean a backend requires X?
[09:32] <superm1> well not necessarily
[09:33] <superm1> yay. the mythweather fix i did works
[09:34] <Daviey> Oh this is silly..... update-notifier is any WM but depends on - 'update-manager' which is gnome centric!
[09:34] <Daviey> What was the problem with mythweather?
[09:34] <superm1> it broke a month or two ago
[09:34] <superm1> when msnbc changed their site
[09:35] <superm1> it also depend on a ton of gtk things
[09:35] <superm1> that is really silly
[09:36] <Daviey> Does seem a suitable fix - but i won't be surprised if kder's file a bug
[09:37] <superm1> well there is no other way to really do it
[09:37] <superm1> if we are going to use update notifier to tell the user via a gui
[09:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109950 in mythtv "mythtv-database configuration cannot connect to MySQL database" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109950
[09:38] <superm1> wow that was literally 10 minutes delayed
[09:38] <Daviey> That sounds like a bug itself
[09:39] <Daviey> let's file a bug against the bug bot :)
[09:39] <superm1> maybe it caught the same thing that majoridiot got
[09:39] <superm1> he was in here for a bit earlier....
[09:40] <Daviey> Think i was 'bout
[09:41] <Daviey> I created his mythbuntu.org account :)
[09:41] <superm1> right.  hopefully you dont catch his bug too then!
[09:44] <Daviey> bug 116574
[09:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116574 in ubuntu-bots "Recently ubotu has become very slow are echoing bug info" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116574
[09:44] <Daviey> crazy!
[09:44] <superm1> ironically.....
[09:44] <superm1> haha
[09:44] <superm1> its not just bug info though, they were slow with things like
[09:44] <superm1> !mythtv
[09:44] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[09:44] <superm1> or !dvd
[09:44] <superm1> dude!
[09:45] <superm1> ubotu, you are bad at letting me make examples
[09:45] <Daviey> heh
[09:45] <Daviey> please don't think he's intelligent :)
[09:47] <superm1> ls
[09:47] <superm1> echk
[09:48] <superm1> okay i need to learn which is xchat
[09:48] <superm1> and which is gnome-terminal
[09:48] <superm1> like make one black or something
[10:02] <superm1> damn that was a long email to christian
[10:03] <superm1> ended up with 23 attachments
[10:09] <superm1> gardengnome, you here?
[10:27] <gardengnome> superm1: yes
[10:27] <superm1> gardengnome, I just finished merging with d-m for our packages
[10:28] <superm1> so the results are in bzr if you want to use them towards the svn ones as well
[10:28] <superm1> and the mythweather patch *did* work
[10:28] <superm1> for 0.20-fixes
[10:28] <gardengnome> nice
[10:29] <gardengnome> superm1: FYI, people (developers) were concerned about legal issues.
[10:29] <superm1> regarding?
[10:29] <gardengnome> seems that the patch breaks the TOS of the data sources
[10:29] <gardengnome> or something
[10:30] <superm1> I thought that it came off of weather.com sources
[10:30] <superm1> which were open xml feeds
[10:30] <gardengnome> sorry, i just woke up because someone didn't understand the "call first" that was put under the delivery address of a new windows.
[10:30] <gardengnome> s/windows/window/
[10:30] <gardengnome> maybe they were concerned about the radar images
[10:31] <gardengnome> i'll try to see if i can locate it in my backlog
[10:32] <superm1> well radar images have been coming from weather.com for a long long time
[10:32] <superm1> this is new to get the data from them though
[10:36] <gardengnome> i've asked for the logs
[10:36] <gardengnome> i can't recall any details.
[10:36] <superm1> Ok
[10:36] <superm1> well that will really suck then if we cant use this patch
[10:37] <superm1> it was annoying to put together :)
[10:37] <gardengnome> don't worry until you've seen the details :)
[10:37] <superm1> there are new images in it, so they had to be tgz'ed and then uuencoded.  so during build after applying the patch, they have to be uudecoded and then extracted
[10:38] <gardengnome> ugh
[10:38] <gardengnome> ugly++
[10:38] <superm1> well not a big deal for you to add to svn though.... i got the leg work here done :)
[10:38] <gardengnome> thanks ;)
[10:39] <superm1> just make sure to catch the build-dep on sharutils and a few changes to debian/rules to reflect it
[10:48] <gardengnome> superm1: was that #3327?
[10:49] <superm1> sounds right
[10:49] <superm1> yes
[11:22] <Daviey> superm1, still here?
[11:22] <superm1> shouldnt be....
[11:22] <Daviey> hah
[11:22] <superm1> i was just in bed and heard the laptop start beeping :)
[11:22] <Daviey> bug 46992
[11:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 46992 in mythtv "Make mythtv depend on xmltv-util" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46992
[11:23] <Daviey> been re-opened
[11:23] <superm1> I dont think determining locations is possible by apt
[11:23] <superm1> when installing a package like that
[11:24] <Daviey> well afaik i don't need xmltv for dvb over the air transmission of tv guide
[11:24] <Daviey> do i?
[11:24] <superm1> Nope
[11:24] <Daviey> so even location is no good
[11:24] <superm1> its in the recommends for mythtv-backend already anyway
[11:24] <Daviey> i would say that most uk myther's use dvb cards
[11:25] <Daviey> anyway, whats the time there?
[11:25] <superm1> night Daviey ......
[11:25] <Daviey> nn
[11:25] <Daviey> or dd
[11:25] <superm1> lol
[06:53] <rogue780|mythsvr> ompaul, um, I would have said sorry if I had been home and not at work
[06:53] <rogue780|mythsvr> ompaul, and what do you want to talk about?
[06:54] <ompaul> rogue780|mythsvr, you seemed to have a pasting issue happen yesterday
[06:55] <ompaul> just a little one ;-)
[06:55] <rogue780|mythsvr> right. can't explain it. I was at work in a secure area for 14 hours yesterday
[06:55] <ompaul> wow
[06:55] <rogue780|mythsvr> and no cats
[06:56] <ompaul> so someone moved the keyboard or whatever
[06:56] <rogue780|mythsvr> no one could have though. my dogs stay down stairs, and my wife was also at work
[06:57] <ompaul> so it suddenly had a case of the I will repeat the last X lines in the channel
[06:57] <ompaul> which client?
[06:57] <rogue780|mythsvr> X Chat
[06:58] <ompaul> I have it set up here to back scroll 10k lines
[06:58] <rogue780|mythsvr> so now I sit with my ubotu pm window active instead of this channel
[06:58] <rogue780|mythsvr> I have it set up 3k, and everything is logged
[06:59] <ompaul> ctrl alt and L might be useful walking away from the keyboard, it is my guess that someone moved the keyboard or  mouse or both
[07:00] <ompaul> I have dogs but they leave the keyboards alone, all they want is my seat
[07:02] <rogue780|mythsvr> there is no keyboard or mouse attached to this computer
[07:03] <rogue780|mythsvr> it's controlled through vnc
[07:04] <rogue780|mythsvr> there might have been an erroneous command sent then VNC timed-out yesterday about the same time though
[07:04] <rogue780|mythsvr> that's my best  guess as I look back through the logs
[07:20] <ompaul> thats interesting
[07:34] <tgm4883_> is there a good book on linux?
[07:39] <ompaul> tgm4883_, there are many, depends on your knowledge, and aims
[07:39] <tgm4883_> ah
[07:40] <ompaul> tgm4883_, join me in #ubuntu-offtopic for this one :-)
[07:40] <tgm4883_> ok
[07:40] <ompaul> 5 mins and we will have you with at least two if not three books that will get you started / sorted
[08:30] <gardengnome> tgm4883_: in the status screen
[08:31] <tgm4883_> do i need to be looking through the frontend?
[08:32] <gardengnome> tgm4883_: it's also accessible in mythweb. or just enter "uptime" in a shell
[08:33] <tgm4883_> hmm, cause im checking mythweb and cant find it.  In the backend status or the statistics
[08:33] <gardengnome> backend status
[08:33] <tgm4883_> i must be blind, i still dont see it
[08:34] <gardengnome> i don't have a mythtv box handy at the moment. i can't look it up for you
[08:35] <tgm4883_> yea it's not there, ill check my frontend
[08:36] <tgm4883_> found it on the frontend, but not through mythweb.  Only 8 days here
[08:44] <superm1> keescook, ping
[08:45] <keescook> superm1: pong
[08:45] <superm1> keescook, I've got the two packages added here: http://pegasus.imbrandon.com/~supermario/personal/dists/feisty/mythtv_testing/
[08:45] <superm1> There are orig.tar.gz's and dsc's and diff.tar.gz's
[08:45] <superm1> since its a new upstream versoin
[08:45] <superm1> (and test builds on feisty if you were interested in running)
[08:45] <keescook> ah, cool!
[08:52] <superm1> tgm4883_, only 8 days..... my record was like 95 days for my myth box (and it only changed from a power outage)
[09:02] <superm1> keescook, I think you mentioned in one of the bug reports to make a package called mythtv-backend-utils.  I opted for mythtv-transcode-utils instead (made more sense since it's used on both backend or frontend)
[09:03] <keescook> sounds good
[09:27] <tgm4883_> superm1, yea i had some problems about 8 days ago that i had to reboot
[09:27] <superm1> ah
[09:27] <tgm4883_> i basically had an unresponsive system
[09:39] <tgm4883> My usual way of setting channels is by scanning in mythtv-setup.  Is there a way to add channels that I know are there (and are viewable by the card in a previous setup) but not by scanning?
[09:40] <superm1> you can probably force add them via mysql
[09:40] <superm1> but a scan is probably the safest way
[09:40] <tgm4883> hmm
[09:40] <superm1> analog or digital channels?
[09:40] <tgm4883> when i first set it up the scan didn't find it
[09:40] <tgm4883> digital
[09:40] <tgm4883> atsc HD
[09:40] <superm1> well you can do a scan outside of myth
[09:40] <superm1> and import a channels.conf
[09:41] <tgm4883> that sounds like the way to go
[09:41] <tgm4883> i just hope it finds them this time
[09:41] <superm1> in my experience, the myth scanner has caught everything available to me though
[09:41] <superm1> no more than i find outside
[09:42] <tgm4883> :(
[09:42] <superm1> are you sure the stations are still broadcasting?
[09:42] <tgm4883> Does the channel scanner use anything from zap2it
[09:42] <tgm4883> yea my qam capable tv still gets the channels
[09:43] <superm1> then these aren't ATSC.... they are QAM64/128/256?
[09:43] <tgm4883> my bad
[09:43] <tgm4883> sec
[09:44] <tgm4883> atsc is the HD channels?
[09:44] <superm1> are you doing a scan on *all* qam transports, or only rescanning existing?
[09:44] <superm1> ATSC is used for digital over the air
[09:44] <tgm4883> ok
[09:45] <superm1> were you doing ATSC scans (when you should have been doing QAM)?
[09:45] <tgm4883> my tv is both qam and atsc capable.
[09:45] <tgm4883> Posiblly
[09:45] <tgm4883> i want to get the OTA channels that comcast provides.
[09:45] <superm1> but via qam
[09:45] <tgm4883> yea
[09:46] <superm1> go back in the scanner and make sure you chose the right options
[09:46] <tgm4883> currently i only get a few on my HD5500
[09:46] <tgm4883> sec, i have to install vnc on it.  No keyboard on it
[09:48] <tgm4883> ? are the repos down?
[09:48] <superm1> I know ubuntuforums was getting hammered really hard this morning
[09:48] <superm1> maybe archive.ubuntu.com is too
[09:49] <superm1> consider using a different mirror perhaps
[09:49] <tgm4883> i never did change them to my country, would that help?  It's simply making it us.archive.ubuntu.com right?
[09:50] <superm1> well I usually grab a local .edu mirror
[09:50] <tgm4883> whoa, just installed
[09:50] <superm1> they seem not to have a lot of load
[09:50] <tgm4883> ah, ill grab one a little later
[09:57] <tgm4883> ok, superm1, installed and ready, full scan, cable freq, qam 256, existing channels get minimal updates
[09:57] <superm1> right
[09:57] <tgm4883> ok, its scanning
[09:57] <tgm4883> i suppose its going to give me a long list of nothing channels again
[09:57] <superm1> Yup :*(
[09:57] <tgm4883> for some reason some channels i dont get have like 30 subchannels
[09:57] <superm1> on demand channels
[09:57] <superm1> that other users are watching
[09:57] <superm1> typically
[09:57] <tgm4883> ah
[09:58] <superm1> they are kinda useless to keep in there though since they are so unpredictable
[09:58] <tgm4883> yea i manually remove them each time
[09:59] <tgm4883> i finally plan on implementing my ir transmitting this weekend to my tv
[09:59] <tgm4883> so at least one of my projects will be finished
[10:00] <superm1> hopefully it works better for you then it did for me
[10:00] <superm1> what kind of tv again? (brand)
[10:00] <tgm4883> vizio
[10:00] <tgm4883> but they use LG codes for the remotes
[10:00] <tgm4883> i think thats who makes the screen
[10:00] <superm1> oh thats very convenient
[10:01] <tgm4883> your still doing ulive right?
[10:04] <superm1> Yup
[10:04] <superm1> You coming?
[10:05] <tgm4883> trying to, i have to see what my schedule is like for work
[10:05] <tgm4883> ill make a decision around the close of early admission
[10:05] <superm1> Ah.  Airfare is getting really pricey too
[10:05] <superm1> i just picked up my ticket two days ago.
[10:06] <superm1> it went up 178 dollars from two weeks ago
[10:06] <tgm4883> wow
[10:06] <tgm4883> been there done that
[10:06] <superm1> so at this point i'm wondering if there is any chance canonical might be in the mood for reimbursement for those talking?
[10:06] <superm1> or who to even talk to about that
[10:06] <superm1> keescook, would you know ^?
[10:08] <superm1> or maybe even subsidizing hotel costs or something to that effect
[10:08] <superm1> i guess at this point, any bit would help :)
[10:09] <keescook> superm1: honestly, I'm not sure how sponsorship works.  I'll get you some details.
[10:09] <superm1> cool thanks.
[10:10] <tgm4883> awesome, it found the missing channels
[10:11] <superm1> ah so you must have been doing the wrong scan before
[10:12] <tgm4883> yep i think so
[10:14] <tgm4883> Is there something in the works for .21 (or maybe im just setup wrong).  My HD5500 Gives me Fox, NBC, CBS, CW, PBS all in HD, (so does my motorola 6200) but if i schedule a show (ie 24) it will only record on the card that i originally told it to.  I think this is cause they are different channels (HD 5500 is 12_1, STB is 712)
[10:14] <superm1> you have both firewire and the hd5500?
[10:14] <superm1> i'm taking it
[10:15] <tgm4883> yea
[10:15] <superm1> well two possible solutions
[10:15] <superm1> either rename the channels on the hd5500 to match up with the stb
[10:15] <tgm4883> i thought about setting them both up using the same zap2it profile, but heard somewhere that it caused problems
[10:15] <superm1> or when scheduling, have it be allowed to record on any channel
[10:15] <tgm4883> ah
[10:16] <superm1> and just set the SD variant channels to lower priority
[10:16] <superm1> make sure its like -15 or -20
[10:16] <superm1> i got bit by that with heroes a week ago
[10:16] <tgm4883> i can set a channel priority?
[10:16] <superm1> yes
[10:16] <superm1> in the frontend
[10:16] <tgm4883> nice
[10:30] <superm1> good evenin Daviey
[10:31] <Daviey> evening, night or afternoon?
[10:31] <superm1> well you wanted me to start working UTC time sooo
[10:31] <superm1> lol
[10:31] <Daviey> arg. my main email server is down
[10:33] <superm1> ompaul, I was a bit curious, if I didn't turn on my IRC cloak, I get this message during login to freenode: You are exempt from K/D/G lines. congrats.
[10:33] <superm1> What does that actually mean?
[10:34] <ompaul> superm1, that is a strange one - let me see
[10:34] <ompaul> superm1, looks like a bug
[10:34] <ompaul> :)
[10:34] <Daviey> Sounds like a good thing!
[10:34] <superm1> it appears that i get some sort of native cloak too "nat/ibm/x-2da15b152997841b"
[10:35] <Daviey> ibm get special exception?
[10:36] <ompaul> ahh
[10:36] <ompaul> that might explain it all
[10:36] <ompaul> the node is not going to get killed
[10:36] <superm1> does ibm have an exemption from it?
[10:36] <ompaul> but if you cause grief from there
[10:37] <ompaul> normally the kline would do some kind of work around the ip
[10:37] <Daviey> ompaul, he's a known trouble maker IMHO
[10:37] <superm1> haha
[10:37] <ompaul> Daviey, this we know
[10:38] <ompaul> superm1,  it is like a condeference
[10:38] <ompaul> you can't take out 100 people if one of them is a fool but you can have the 99 looking for the one
[10:38] <ompaul> :)
[10:38] <ompaul> conference that is
[10:38] <superm1> ah
[10:40] <tgm4883> how do you add channel data to a channel that has the same station id as another channel?
[10:40] <tgm4883> that made no sense
[10:41] <superm1> huh
[10:41] <Daviey> why would it have the same station id?
[10:42] <tgm4883> if i have a tuner with some channels, and add a second tuner with the same stations (but on different channels) how do i go about adding channel data to those channels?
[10:42] <tgm4883> did that make more sense or more confusion?
[10:45] <tgm4883> superm1, basically the channels that i rescanned and found, they have no channel data (the have the same stnnum as on the STB 6200)
[10:45] <Daviey> if the channels are the same, you can share the data source
[10:46] <Daviey> don't need to repopulate
[10:46] <Daviey> that's one of the great things with relational databases :)
[10:46] <tgm4883> you mean a single zap2it profile?
[10:48] <tgm4883> I'm looking mythweb under channel info, but the only thing im comfortable changing in there is the xmltvid and name.
[10:50] <tgm4883> there is just not alot of info about that page, is there a manual or something for mythweb?
[11:31] <superm1> Daviey, did you run the iso yesterday and see the new options for the interface in ubiqiuty?
[11:32] <Daviey> no :(
[11:32] <Daviey> i've dl it tho
[11:32] <Daviey> need to reinstall vmplayer or something
[11:33] <Daviey> i wanted to do it today - but haven't really had a chance
[11:33] <superm1> just try virtualbox
[11:34] <superm1> its a pretty quick install
[11:34] <superm1> works as good (or better) than vmplayer
[11:34] <superm1> http://www.virtualbox.org/download/1.3.8/VirtualBox_1.3.8_Ubuntu_feisty_i386.deb
[11:37] <tgm4883> virtualbox no worky for me :(  it is  a great program though
[11:37] <DaveMorris> evening
[11:37] <superm1> afternoon DaveMorris
[11:37] <superm1> saw your comments on that bug about xmtv
[11:38] <superm1> thx
[11:38] <superm1> s/xmtv/xmltv
[11:38] <Daviey> virtualbox did give me hassle last time i tried. - it's based of qemu & kemu - so should be fast :)
[11:45] <DaveMorris> superm1: I assume I was correct about what I said
[11:45] <superm1> yes
[11:45] <superm1> i mean i dont know any way that we could go around it.  it really is an extra dep for a lot of people
[11:45] <DaveMorris> I don't use it, as I use the OTA packages in the UK
[11:46] <DaveMorris> also does Mythtv work without tv listings?
[11:46] <superm1> well it can function without them i'm pretty sure
[11:46] <DaveMorris> normal TV works without it, and is perfectly usable.
[11:46] <superm1> but i cant say i've ever tried
[11:47] <DaveMorris> btw whats expect of me in the CC meeting?
[11:48] <Daviey> 0.21 seems to split everything into 30min segments without listings (Unknown)
[11:48] <DaveMorris> actally my .20 worked without listings when the radio times stuff broke
[11:50] <superm1> DaveMorris, well show up, and speak up if they start asking questions :)
[12:02] <rogue780|mythsvr> tgm4883, where do I see what?
[12:02] <tgm4883> lol, the uptime, but that was resolved a while ago
[12:02] <tgm4883> thanks for the reply though
[12:04] <rogue780|mythsvr> sorry
[12:04] <rogue780|mythsvr> lol
[12:04] <rogue780|mythsvr> tgm4883, I'm actually looking at the display on gkrellm though
[12:04] <tgm4883> we got it figured out though, although i still cant find it though mythweb
[12:04] <tgm4883> ah
[12:04] <tgm4883> found it in the frontend
[12:05] <tgm4883> i only had 8 days, but had to restart today :(
[12:05] <tgm4883> i dont think something is working right and plan on needing another reboot in about 8 days