[12:26] oh check your spam majoridiot [12:26] i did get an answer 7 min ago [12:26] and gmail flagged it spam [12:28] yup. flagged mine as spam, too... it didn't forward. [12:28] i think it is because there is no sender on it [12:29] so once your in [12:30] ok... set up. [12:30] there is a wysiwyg editor available for editting pages, but i dont like it much myself [12:30] i've done most of the pages in google docs and then copied and pasted the html [12:30] but if you find a better method or a plugin or anything, we can install whatever we want on the box === DaveMorris is old a remembers using notepade/gedit [12:31] i'll play with it later and see [12:31] I'm not sure if there is a mechanism for easily uploading files on it as of yet (for pictures), but that is something else that we will need to investigate [12:31] haha DaveMorris [12:31] just what i need... another freakin editor to learn. ;) [12:31] and I'm only 24 [12:31] yea thats why i just do mine in google docs :) [12:32] it uses what it calls filtered html [12:33] 24... meh. 'tis but a kid [12:34] :P [12:34] but anyway. i think the most ideal thing to do would be a few simple docs. Mythbuntu should be pretty straightforward on its own, but we should at least have a FAQ, a Release Notes, and a short little install guide that walks you through the procedure and outlines the steps a bit more [12:34] anyone here use latex? [12:34] i'm going to start using it this fall [12:34] on the todo list to learn === majoridiot wonders if condoms count [12:34] its nice, esp combined with SC [12:35] but I'm trying to work out how to do source code syntax highlighing [12:35] well, be sure to holla as soon as there is a semi-final image to burn and install... [12:35] (as far as steps and procedures go) === majoridiot udpated the team front page [12:36] k majoridiot [12:36] ah great :) [12:36] i think whats needed also is to identify everyone that we should list on there [12:36] as contributing (since they aren't all in the LP groups) [12:37] because we'll get rogue780|mythsvr and tgm4883 in here every so often chatting away with some people, and gardengnome (laga) needs to be listed as working on svn packaging now [12:37] someone will need to compile that list... i only know of the ones listed. [12:37] ah ok [12:37] well i was wondering if I should poke newlinux and a few of the other guys that have been all over the forums [12:37] like i've logged in once or twice every day or two, and they just handle all the posts, there is little for me to help with now :) [12:38] because then we can get a good breakdown of where people are contributing (support, docs, packaging, mythbuntu, etc) [12:38] and list that as well [12:40] agreed [12:40] all in all i think the we'll have 8-12 people listed then on that page [12:40] i'll send out some pms tonight when i get hoem [12:40] i haven't had the time or energy to do much in the forums lately- at least not new topics. [12:41] You just gonna put the irc names, or irc, full name, email, site? [12:41] only 7 now [12:41] DaveMorris, we should do as much as possible [12:41] and there are certainly as many more that should be listed, if they so choose [12:41] so probably irc, full name and emali [12:42] majoridiot, understandable, you can spend hours on the forums and just barely scratch the surface of how many people can use a hand ;) [12:42] lately i've been more working on mythbuntu related items than having time for support myself [12:42] (not counting the ones that want to immediately disregard or argue with your proposed solutions) :S [12:44] btw do we have backups of the servers taking place? [12:44] i'm not sure if imbrandon is handling backups or not [12:45] all of our code that is in use is in bzr [12:45] so in the event something died, that is simple checkout [12:45] if not I've got a machine here which can download them, I've got about 300GB left on my raid 5 atm === defendguin [n=supertux@cpe-72-181-7-135.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [12:45] but I'm sitting on the end of DSL, so only 2Mbit/sec [12:46] DaveMorris, we should check with imbrandon if he is handling it or not. If not, at least backing up drupal, /home, and a few things in /etc would be a good idea [12:47] I still need to sort out the dumping my mythtv databases nightly [12:48] the packages do it for you [12:48] they back it up to a directory in /var [12:48] i think weekly [12:53] do they [12:53] still on the same drive though ;) [12:54] well you set up a cron job to scp them out [12:54] somewhere else [12:54] or to at least move them somewhere else [12:58] yeah I know [12:59] jsut not got around to doing it yet [12:59] ah [01:00] DaveMorris, you said next week you'll be able to look more into mythdora and knoppmyth's method of presetup and module loading order right/ [01:00] bendaily is checking out mythdora [01:01] I've got knoppmyth [01:01] but yeah netx week [01:01] k [01:01] well i'll be ready to drop in whatever you find out by next week hopefully [01:01] with where i'm at with ubiquity thus far [01:01] I've got a ncie box setup to try it on etc [01:02] doesn't even need to necessarily be on a box, you can do it all in a VM [01:02] i think [01:02] the only problem I can see, is that we won't have a big enough databases of devices etc [01:02] I'd rather put it into fesity+2 [01:03] and put in feisty+1 a way fro peple to report back the settings they have to get cards working etc along with details of cards [01:03] well the database will be there already from these other distros i'd tihnk [01:03] but won't really know untli you look into it [01:05] yeah, but we might not be able to steal there databases etc [01:05] I've no idea what the licenicing side of things are [01:05] well i'd imagine they are GPL, but you'll have to see [01:05] if they are some other license, we can always adapt too === a5benwillis [n=benwilli@71-12-14-250.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:06] superm1, anything else I can help with, btw he had removed the TV card :-( but we will put it in on the next visit [01:07] ah good ompaul . I think thus far we're good for channel stuff [01:07] thanks for stopping in and getting all of this going for us [01:07] well I had the joys of UDS and 3 years of ubuntu now so I kind of do some payback ;-) [01:08] one has to build ones gnewsense from ubuntu you know ;-) [01:08] oh is gnewsense based from ubuntu? [01:08] most certainly === superm1 looks at gnewsense.org [01:09] when stallman and shuttleworth met in tunis at some summit (internet society thing I think) they both said gnubuntu and meant different things [01:10] thats the first thing that came to mind for me too [01:10] gnubuntu [01:10] so whose idea is this more like? [01:10] well I had an audience of one for the distro [01:11] and he now runs it [01:11] I told the guy with the multiple of millions of users I would get the audience of one running ubuntu by code if it was not by name [01:12] it seems I managed to do that [01:12] this looks like a very neat project you've got going here [01:12] with the help of the brains of the outfit [01:12] brian brazil [01:12] or is that brain brazil :) [01:12] so now ya know [01:13] the fact that the fsf runs it on servers now and so forth is kinda cool [01:13] I got ubuntu dapper and feisty gnewsense and gnusense-kde running on different boxes [01:13] kind of mad [01:14] but you can't make an omlette without breaking eggs [01:14] or was that smashing kernels [01:14] heh [01:14] thats gotta feel great to know you've got big guys like that using it [01:14] haha [01:14] it has its moments [01:14] lets just say my name is well known in some places [01:15] ohh no get him off the phone :) [01:15] when i moved up to my current location and started my internship, i was talking to some guys that work up here about what i do with mythtv and ubuntu. and their reaction was wow! so i'm using your packages, nice job dude! [01:17] ompaul, wha's the difference between gnewsense and debian? [01:17] Daviey, the debian kernel is more polluted [01:17] with non-free stuff or just bloat? [01:17] non free [01:17] that is our only bug [01:18] like intel's wifi module? [01:18] ehh are you on the gns site? [01:18] no [01:18] maybe i should see if you have a FAQ :) [01:18] gnus not solaris (ohh yes it is) [01:18] or will be some day [01:19] Daviey, go to the "builder script" stuff and checkout the gen kernel script [01:19] it tells you the crack we remove [01:19] yes sir [01:19] dude chill :-) [01:19] you can as easy tell me to shhhhhh :) [01:20] Oh don't worry, i say "yes sir" to everybody === ompaul has short hair and a management job when he is not suffering with a flu like bug [01:20] poor ompaul [01:20] I filed it but the doc said Won't Fix - here have some time off work and some drugs [01:20] they might help a little but its a won't fix === ompaul has a phb kind of role as the only techie / it manager in his job [01:21] I think the idea of a fully free OS is great! - But i won't use it until the wireless drivers are made free :( [01:22] well the chance of that as long as cards are not made on a per market basis is slim [01:22] however there are people who know the story and they are not totally not listening they are pretending not to [01:22] there is a market for fanatics [01:22] :) [01:23] the question is it wide enough to build you a card that works where ever you are on the planet [01:23] which by the way is the justification for the binary blobs but there ya go [01:23] well there are more politics to it than that but that is another story [01:24] heh.. I guess you have your own repo's? [01:24] well they are essentially ubuntu's repos with very few changes [01:24] Do you merge from upstream then remove what you don't like? [01:25] well kind of [01:25] we take main and universe [01:25] obviously not restricted [01:25] heh [01:25] then we remove one or two packages [01:25] and kill off some files in the kernel and rebuild it [01:25] and then [01:25] kill off firefox and rebuild it with the name burning dog [01:25] and obv. not multiverse :) [01:26] it gets symlinked to firefox [01:26] are mozilla foundation happy with that? [01:26] they got no choice [01:26] didn't debian get burned for that? [01:26] it is not branding [01:26] no they got burned for calling it firefox [01:26] and changing stuff [01:26] we got a link to not break the desktop [01:26] a symlink [01:26] IceWeasel? [01:27] that would be an upstream thing [01:27] and then we would have two problems [01:27] Isn't IceWeasel firefox without the branding/logo's? [01:27] IW from debian --- ehhhh or IW from the FSF [01:27] we have no branding or logos [01:27] we also don't do extention downloads [01:27] as most of them are non free [01:28] so you can't download extentions with bd [01:28] so we looked at that [01:28] and we though you know we could but we have this thing called binary compatibity with upstream as far as possible [01:28] so there is a third way [01:29] ;) [01:29] burning dog [01:29] fire fox [01:29] any one see the pun? [01:29] any two see the pun? [01:29] :) [01:29] burning vixon :) [01:29] no [01:29] that would be aluding to the species [01:30] burning bob would have been possible but not very PC [01:30] ;) [01:30] and the logo for "bob" with the pipe [01:31] ompaul, sounds like a great project.. wish you luck :) === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:31] ohh noooooes its jono [01:31] :) === DaveMorris [n=dave@host-212-158-244-26.bulldogdsl.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === ompaul runs [01:38] right I am off to the land of sleep cheers [01:40] Daviey, any chance ot poke around with setting up the metas today o no? [01:40] superm1, which ones?! [01:40] heh [01:40] :) [01:40] haha very funny [01:41] I've got meta's coming out my ears. ;) [01:41] out your ears and into bzr? [01:41] hopefully [01:41] You mean the theme meta's? [01:41] the build script metas [01:41] oh.. I haven't started that yet [01:42] ohok [01:42] Almost finished the theme meta's tho ;) [01:42] oh forgot to tell you today [01:42] guess what was uploaded ? [01:42] (finally) [01:42] no [01:42] your lieing [01:42] mythbuntu-artwork-usplash is coming into gutsy!!!!! === Hugolp [n=jo@89.129.137.117] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:42] *surely* there was _something_ wrong [01:42] crimsun uploaded it yesterday evening [01:43] An extra space character at EOF or something... [01:43] lol [01:43] well if there was, he let it go === Daviey checks for bug reports [01:44] jono, are you still here? [01:44] Daviey: about to go [01:44] As community rep - can you do us a favour? [01:44] Daviey: what? [01:44] kick canonical's mailing list admins into touch? [01:44] been waiting 2months + for a ML [01:44] for ubuntu-mythtv [01:45] (@l.u.c of course) === MegaQuark_ [n=gary@pool-71-117-203-17.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:52] jono ? === MegaQuark__ [n=gary@pool-71-117-203-17.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:54] Daviey: I can try [01:54] did you file an RT? [01:54] i did jono [01:54] right [01:54] will check into it tomorrow [01:54] I am off to bed now [01:54] night [01:54] :) [01:55] night jono [01:55] nn, thanks jono === Hugol1 [n=jo@89.129.155.189] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:56] np :) === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:08] okay majoridiot i'm gonna take off from work for the evening. i'll be back on an hr or two [02:08] when i get home and eat [02:08] night~ [02:08] nite [02:08] (on phone) [02:21] Either of you guys good with getting php5 to work with edgy? [02:21] its killing me here [02:21] oh no's, super left already === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === QuadForce [n=chatzill@71-12-10-224.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:17] anybody here tonight? [03:17] help please [03:17] I'm trying to rip a dvd using mythdvd... i have the disc in the drive, but it just says "No jobs. Checking and/or waiting for DVD. anyone got an idea? [03:29] QuadForce, try starting mtd [03:29] before mythfrontend [03:29] a5benwillis, i'm here [03:29] whats up? [03:29] trying to help this guy with mythdvd [03:29] I got my apache issue fixed :-) [03:30] I have the same issue with mythdvd so it would be nice to see how to fix it [03:31] or make it work if it aint broke [03:32] Well can't say i've ripped a dvd ever with it. [03:32] Its been on my todo for ages [03:32] is it just me or is the music player interface for mythtv lame? [03:32] actually there is a bug opened about it that i was supposed to look into a while ago [03:33] a5benwillis, if you dont get it sussed out by later on, i'll see if i can look at it. i'm merging d-m packages right now with us [03:33] defendguin, yes it is [03:33] when I try "mtd" I get a bunch of libread errors [03:33] did you use sudo? [03:34] yes [03:34] libdvdread: checkvalue failed [03:35] sudo apt-get install libdvdread [03:36] that may have to be done from source... cant remember [03:36] cant find package [03:36] I have it installed. let me see if I still have the link [03:36] sudo apt-get install libdvdread3 [03:36] you'll probably also need libdvdcss2 (but i'm not sure about that) [03:37] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu [03:37] !libdvdcss [03:37] that links for libdvdcss2 [03:37] so...ubotu works different here? [03:39] whoa...what the heck happened? [03:42] ok...um, so sorry about that paste thing. I have NO idea how it happened. I was at work from 7:00AM 'til 5:00PM....so, again. quite sorry === superm1 pokes ubotu with a sharp stick [03:43] anyone have any theories on what could have caused it? [03:43] !dvd [03:43] hm guess ubotu decided to break [03:44] For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs [03:45] rogue780|mythsvr, no ideas how that could have happend [03:45] as keescook said, my xchat window turned into a xmas tree: ) [03:47] rogue780|mythsvr: cats? :) [03:48] superm1: still getting a funny error with mtd [03:48] "*** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in ifo_read.c:1417 *** [03:48] *** for c_adt->cell_adr_table[i] .cell_id > 0 *** [03:48] " [03:48] installed libdvdread and css [03:51] a5benwillis, do you have another dvd to try? === Chadarius [n=Chadariu@c-71-228-30-253.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:54] sure [03:54] one that you know is rippable at least === Daviey [n=Daviey@ubuntu/member/daviey] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:56] superm1, come quick [03:56] you there? [03:56] yea [03:56] whats up? [03:56] as in unencrypted [03:58] arg http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_org_opening_to_the_public_soon [03:59] oh no..... [03:59] oh yes :( [03:59] imbrandon, you there? [03:59] you might want to be ready with pegasus [04:00] need a new hamster? [04:00] Trying to formulate a 'reply' - but so tired can' [04:00] t [04:00] Want to say - 'it's very alpha atm' etc [04:00] why are you awake still? [04:01] My RSS - mythbuntu alarm clock woke me [04:01] monitors RSS feeds and sets off an alarm if mentioned [04:02] lol [04:02] rss alarm clock [04:02] thats a new one [04:02] not really - daughter woke up [04:03] ah [04:04] are there two other mythtv derivatives that i dont know about? [04:04] for ubuntu or is this person just very poorly mistaken? [04:04] For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs [04:04] woah ubotu, that was so 20 minutes ago [04:06] mistaken [04:06] i'm sure [04:08] I would like to make a warning to anybody intending to try the ISO - it's still very alpha. Currently it can be used as a Mythtv fronted directly from the livecd. [04:08] However, we are still working on the installation procedure for a frontend/backend install. So i would advise people hold off really testing it for the time being. [04:08] Soon we should have a mailing list, that we can announce a beta iso on - watch this space. [04:09] doh.. bleedin xchat [04:09] thanks Daviey [04:09] haha [04:09] :-) [04:09] thats good, beat met to finding my digg pw [04:09] first line went pm, others went here. sorry a5benwillis [04:10] superm1, gotta love cookies [04:10] no idea what mine is either [04:10] my desktop has it saved, but that desktop is in the living room since my frontend died. its my current fe now [04:10] heh [04:12] anyway, gonna try bed again [04:12] nn [04:17] a5benwillis, yes unencrypted is the best bet to make sure everything else is sane [04:19] QuadForce is the one trying it... Im just helping [04:19] got an older movie to show up [04:20] how do you "Process Selected title" ? [04:20] i hit tab, but it never goes there [04:20] lol [04:52] ls [04:52] oops === frank23 [n=frank@CPE001839c1904e-CM00080d26a042.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:53] If I install the mythweb in feisty, is the web interface only visible from my computer or can others (on the internet) connect? [04:53] what are the default settings? [04:53] all [04:53] your computer and the internet [04:54] if your computer is internet accessible yes [04:54] superm1: How can I disable access from the internet? [04:55] superm1: (or at least protect it) [04:55] put it behind a router [04:55] is the easiest way [04:55] or create a htaccess file [04:55] or just bind apache to the localhost interface [04:55] rather than all interfaces [04:56] superm1: it's already behind a router... [04:56] then dont forward port 80 [04:56] and you'll be fine [04:56] superm1: ok [04:58] superm1: How would I bind apache to localhost? do you mean the loopback interface? [04:59] It works! [05:08] I was wondering... why was the automatic daily mythfilldatabase disabled for datadirect? Wouldn't the once a day update with the 'let server decide when' setting be a suitable default? [05:11] u have to set it up in the frontend now [05:13] If the frontend is never on, the backend would not get schedule updates? === MegaQuark_ [n=gary@pool-71-117-203-17.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:07] imbrandon, you there? [06:07] superm1: You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. [06:07] imbrandon,I was going to ask you about ulive, how soon do hotels and such fill up for these sorts of things? [06:33] frank23, its just for setting up for the first time [06:33] the backend handles doing the job [06:33] its because it will get data from datadirect indicating when to do a guide update next [06:34] based on tms's rotation schedule === varka [n=varkatop@p54a5f2f6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Hugolp [n=jo@89.129.155.189] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Daviey [n=Daviey@ubuntu/member/daviey] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [09:03] Daviey, your up early? [09:04] or maybe i'm going to bed late again.... [09:04] @work :( [09:04] i dont know the difference anymore [09:04] heh [09:10] Must be silly o'clock for then superm1 ? [09:10] - for you... [09:11] well i've been kludging at this merge all night [09:11] with mythtv and mythplugins [09:11] running into little things here and there that are turning into trouble [09:11] and requiring a rebuild [09:11] at the same time i was trying to fix mythweather usign the patch on trac [09:12] but its turning out to be a packaging mess because it also introduces several new binary files [09:14] oh, that's a point have you merged the changes that IMDB require? [09:15] What merge are you doing with mythtv & plugins? [09:16] - imdb, i see it has :) [09:17] old news eh? [09:18] yes [09:18] w/ new version at debian multimedia. its been a long time since i merged with christian's changes [09:19] so i also want to send him back up a list of the stuff we changed [09:19] I was wondering about debian upstream actually [09:19] Are you supply a diff? Or list of changes? [09:20] well the way that we've been doing it is a list of changes [09:20]