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concept10LjL, what you do that for?01:31
LjLconcept10: i was ready01:31
concept10LjL, heh01:31
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PriceChildYeah... I noticed that first and am confused... /me reads even further back01:32
concept10LjL, i wasnt about to launch an attack or something.. I meant are you ready for the question of the day01:32
LjLconcept10: well, i thought you meant ready to kick you, it's not like you specified01:33
LjLPriceChild: there's nothing to read, it was just the random -offtopic kick of the day.01:33
PriceChildah ok01:33
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umuliaIm here because of the topic on #Ubuntu : Please follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit to fix it, and then join #ubuntu-ops and ask to be tested01:35
LjLumulia: join ##ljl please01:36
LjLumulia: you can join, thank you01:37
umuliathank you :)01:37
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gnomefreakanyone have a clue what a snafus is?02:04
mc44situation normal: all f*d up02:04
gnomefreakyeah it finally opened02:04
gnomefreakthe dictionary applet wasnt opening02:05
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Jordan_ULooks like ubotu is down02:12
gnomefreakyep hes dead in pm too02:15
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PriceChildwoo ubotwo's working then :)02:26
LjLerr... kind of02:27
PriceChildjust replied in #ubuntu02:27
LjLyeah, i saw02:27
LjLit's laggy as hell for some reason however02:27
PriceChildstill syncing?02:27
LjLno, i don't think it's that02:27
LjLthe disconnects shouldn't have happened either02:27
LjLi think it's metabot that's loading the server too much - i've killed it now02:27
LjLsupybot is for some reason very sensitive to cpu load...02:28
gnomefreakbblame pythonn for that :)02:29
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots02:29
gnomefreakdamn talk about lag02:29
Jordan_UIt's back :)02:30
Jordan_UI just got my PM from 5 minutes ago :)02:30
gnomefreakme too02:30
gnomefreakbut im lagging really bad too02:30
gnomefreakand thats not pythons fault its OO.o's fault02:30
PriceChildhe seems to be pretty fine now...?02:32
LjL@lart PriceChild02:32
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LjLyes, he is02:32
PriceChildhey i was writing that as you unbanned him02:33
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LjL@pity PriceChild02:33
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LjLit's responsive, and doesn't backfire. fine really02:33
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ubotuThou mewling doghearted whey-face!02:34
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ubotuIn ubotu, pike_ said: scanners is Scanners are people with telepathic and telekinetic abilities, with a total of 236 of them documented by ConSec, a corporation specialising in weaponry and security systems.05:39
ubotuIn ubotu, pike_ said: scanner is a person with telepathic and telekinetic abilities, with a total of 236 of them documented by ConSec, a corporation specialising in weaponry and security systems.05:41
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Hobbseeoh no, it's Amaranth05:58
Amaranthleaving :P05:58
tonyyarussoapokryphos: ping - know much about supybot and rss feeds?06:49
tonyyarussoapokryphos: specifically, tonyybot in ##tonyyarusso is "Unable to download feed" for blogs on LiveJournal or Blogger, but works for Wordpress, Xanga, MySpace, and a few others.  Feel free to poke around with it - I'm baffled.  (The control character is ~ )06:52
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Hobbseehi weaselboy07:07
Burgundaviahey Hobbsee07:08
Burgundaviahmm, gutsy is boring07:08
Burgundaviais there a new kernel yet?07:08
Hobbseethat's the purely evil sexy psycopathic bitch from au, to you, thankyou!07:08
Hobbseedefine borking07:08
Burgundaviano, boring07:08
Hobbseewhcih bit in particular is borking07:08
Burgundaviathe only thing that happened my fonts broke07:08
tonyyarussoHobbsee: since when are you referred to as that?07:08
Burgundaviadue to hinting not working correctly07:09
Hobbseetonyyarusso: i got hte two first ones today07:09
Hobbseetonyyarusso: Burgundavia decided i was pure evil, earlier07:09
Burgundaviaseriously, is there a 21 or 22 kernel built yet?07:10
BurgundaviaI am too lazy to check the build logs07:10
naliothBurgundavia: you just now got to that conclusion?07:10
naliothit is mathematically proven that women are evil07:10
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Hobbseeit's either 21 or 22.  i think it migth be 22 now07:10
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Hobbseenalioth: and that we dont want them in open source?07:11
tonyyarussoWouldn't want them turning OSS evil.  Keep 'em in Microsoft, I say!  :P07:12
naliothno, evil women are fun07:13
Jordan_Utonyyarusso, You mean like Novelle?07:14
tonyyarussoJordan_U: heh07:14
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Burgundaviaright, there has been no linux-meta built yet07:15
Hobbseenalioth: i havent seen that?07:16
HobbseeBurgundavia: correct07:16
Burgundaviais it only the image and -r-m I need?07:17
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tonyyarussoHobbsee: http://maxwell.ucsc.edu/~stephanie/girls%20are%20root%20of%20evil.jpg07:17
Hobbseehahahahaha nice07:18
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HobbseeMadpilot: your brother wants the boot in -motu07:28
MadpilotI don't have ops there, far as I konw07:28
Madpilotknow, even07:28
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Madpilotand do you mean 'he needs removing from -motu' or 'he wants to get ops in -motu'? Two quite different things07:29
Burgundaviaand Hobbsee, you were thinking before I stepped out?07:30
Seveasc'est un weaslboy!07:30
MadpilotApparently some nicknames do stick. Imagine that.07:32
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Hobbseepoor Burgundavia...07:33
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Burgundaviapretty much07:34
tonyyarussoThe nick is available, FYI07:34
MadpilotHobbsee, s/not/now, I think you meant07:35
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elkbuntuMadpilot, he said a number of times the other week "I should never have installed Ubuntu on his computer"07:42
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Hobbseepoor Burgundavia....07:45
Hobbseewe should all go back to picking on the mad dutchman07:45
elkbuntubut that's been done to death!07:45
Hobbseei'm sure there are new ways to pick on him07:46
Burgundaviais there a reason that powernowd is not run by default?07:55
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Jucatoheh ubotu's having quite a day :)10:26
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ubotuh4wk0 called the ops in #ubuntu11:12
Madpilotjust a bit of lag there, ubotu11:13
Jucatohe's been lagging all day...11:13
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Seeker`would it be possible to have !logs changed for #ubuntu-uk?01:27
Seeker`to point to http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org01:28
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mookyhas pricechild been in today ?01:43
Seeker`I haven't seen him01:43
ikonia_logged in with someone elses account01:44
ompaulikonia, :)01:46
ikonia_you called01:47
ompaulna just saying hi01:47
ikonia_ahh, hello ompaul01:47
ikonia_hope all is well01:47
ompaulgetting therte01:48
ikonia_good good01:48
ubotuIn #ubuntu, Nom- said: ubotu: fakeraid is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto01:48
ikonia_ughh irssis is very alien01:48
ikonia_irssi even01:50
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Seeker`is anyone here able to change the bot responses?02:37
ikonia_a few people can02:39
ikonia_what response is bad?02:39
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Seeker`the repsonse to !logs in #ubuntu-uk02:39
Seeker`it should be http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org02:39
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ubotuChannel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs02:40
Hobbsee!logs-#ubuntu-uk is <reply> Channel logs can be found at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/02:40
ubotuI'll remember that, Hobbsee02:40
Hobbseethere you go :)02:41
Seeker`thanks :D02:41
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-ops: Welcome to the home of the operators of all Ubuntu (and derivatives) channels | This channel is for operator/abuse questions only | Support in #ubuntu, #kubuntu etc... | IRC team info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam
=== Topic (#ubuntu-ops): set by Seveas at Fri May 11 11:21:21 2007
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karanhey, y am i redirected to #ubuntu-read-topic08:29
karani am unable to join #ubuntu08:29
karansome help plz08:30
Seveasdid you rad the topic in #ubuntu-read-topic?08:31
naliothkaran: join ##nalioth please08:31
SportChickSeveas: heh, I was about to ask that :)08:31
SeveasSportChick, :)08:31
karanSEveas:i have changed the port08:31
Seveaskaran, excellent :)08:32
Seveasthen join ##nalioth for a test08:32
SportChickSeveas: got a sec? :)08:33
karani am the only user there :(08:33
SportChickkaran: did you join #nalioth or ##nalioth?08:33
naliothSportChick: ##nalioth08:33
SeveasSportChick, sure08:33
SportChickk :)08:33
karanSeveas:wats next?08:34
naliothkaran: you need to type /j ##nalioth <enter>08:34
Seveaskaran, if nalioth tested you, he'll unban you08:34
karansorry i made a typo error :)08:36
karannalioth,u can check now08:36
naliothkaran: you can join #ubuntu now, thanks for you patience08:37
karannalioth:wat its all about?08:37
karando u really find a bug?08:38
naliothkaran: no bugs on you  :)08:38
karanmay i know the reason ,why i am banned?08:39
naliothkaran: you apparently were vulnerable08:40
karanwat do you meant ;)08:40
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ubotuDuckFart_ called the ops in #ubuntu10:27
ompaulduckfart is not in #ubuntu anymore10:29
ompaulmneptok, go back to sleep :)10:29
mneptokompaul: yes, dear.10:29
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PriceChildWhat's going on? :)10:32
DavieyPriceChild, few things - http://www.bbc.co.uk/whatson/10:32
PriceChild@lart Daviey10:32
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Davieyompaul, /dev/urandom10:34
DuckFarti believe i've been unfairly kicked from the #ubuntu room10:34
Seveasno, you abused the !ops command -- that always gets you banned10:34
DuckFarti simply asked for help be because my nick was locked out from me and I didn't know the command to release it. does that deserve being banned from a room?10:35
DuckFartyou could have simply refused10:35
Seveasthe !ops command is not for help. It's for emergencies10:36
DuckFartor offered the correct command so i could help myself10:36
DuckFartSeveas: i'm not getting an answer here10:38
Seveasthis channel is not for support10:39
Seveasand I explained why you were bannd10:39
DuckFarti understand your explanation, but i don't understand your intolerance.10:39
LjLi wonder how you could know about the existence of an !ops command without knowing when it must [not]  be used10:40
DuckFarti guessed10:40
DuckFarti was originally expecting a reply from a bot, not from an actual op10:41
DuckFartthat's what the "!" was for10:41
mneptokDuckFart: so now you know. case closed.10:41
DuckFartmneptok: thank you.10:42
DavieyI think what DuckFart wants to know - how long will the ban last?10:42
SeveasDaviey, there are no set times for that10:42
mneptokDuckFart: my pleasure10:43
DuckFartthe length of the ban doesn't concern me. i not happy with the fact that i've been banned because i asked for help the *wrong way*10:43
LjLi wonder why the other 1000 people in #ubuntu, most of who, obviously, are there to get help, don't come up with typing !ops to get their help10:43
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mneptokDuckFart: i'm not happy that i don't have a pony. life is like that. when i get upset about it, i usually try to stop thinking about ponies.10:44
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DuckFartconsidering i've only been on irc a few times, feel free to expect a few errors on my part10:44
DuckFartLjL: if ops aren't there to deal with problems, then what are they there for?10:45
DuckFarti had a problem, i asked ops for help.10:45
mneptokDuckFart: your first mistake is thinking Ubuntu ops can do anything about Freenode issues10:45
naliothfreenode issues?10:45
LjLDuckFart: you've got it totally wrong. totally.10:45
mneptoknalioth: nick ghosting10:45
LjLnalioth: no issues, he just wanted his nick back10:46
DuckFartLjL; then educatation is good, banning isn't10:46
ompaulDuckFart, it is not an issue for education in #ubuntu however10:46
LjLDuckFart, well, if i were a new user on irc (or on anything), i would *not* try typing random commands10:46
DuckFartnalioth. for some reasion, i got disconnected, but my nick was still active, i couldn't sign in as myself10:46
LjLDuckFart: you surely know of a command called "rm" in Unix. maybe you want to randomly try it with some options?10:47
gnomefreaknew users know ther eis a bot in there and what the trigger is?10:47
ompaulDuckFart, that is what /ns ghost $username $pass is for10:47
mc44mneptok: bah, the world didn't blow up :(10:47
ompaulDuckFart, you know this place exists, and you could ask here or in -offtopic it was not a ubuntu support issue or even in #freenode10:47
DuckFartagain, i'm new to irc. i don't know all the commands. i simply went to #ubuntu for help, and was able to give some help in return. i wasn't expecting to know all the irc in the process10:47
mneptokmc44: didn't it? ... DIDN'T IT?!??!10:48
mc44mneptok: I should go outside and check10:48
ompaulDuckFart, your learning ;-)10:48
DuckFartompaul. i didn't know this placed existed until seveas pointed out to me about 10 mins ago.10:48
ompauland I get to say it again :)10:49
mneptokDuckFart: before randomly entering bot commands you might want to acquaint yourself with what they actually do. lest you piss people off. which you did.10:49
DuckFartmneptok. i simply asked for help. if they don't like it, perhaps they shouldn't be in a position to kick.10:50
mneptokDuckFart: and arguing about it is not going to get you any results you want. that's a certainty.10:50
ompaulDuckFart, the thing is when !opz is hit up to 20 people get a highlight and stop whatever they are doing and arrive10:50
DuckFartompaul: i didn't know requesting for ops would do that. it's not exaclty posted in the MOTD10:50
mneptokDuckFart: then you should not have typed the command?10:50
ompaulwell you do now, and as I said, you are learning, you'll get the hang of it some day10:50
mneptokDuckFart: how is that unclear?10:51
DuckFarti'm sorry if i upset anyone by simply asking for help when i got stuck, but if you're going to ban becasue you don't like it, then try finding something else to waste your time.10:51
gnomefreakwhat did you expect it to do?10:51
naliothDuckFart: what did you expect the !ops command to help you with?10:52
LjLyou didn't "ask for help", you used a command that you couldn't even have guessed existed.10:52
LjLstop thinking we're idiots.10:52
Davieygnomefreak, i used it once expecting a list of current ops - whoops10:52
LjLthere are hundreds of people on #ubuntu everyday10:52
LjLthey all ask for help10:52
LjLand they do that by *asking*10:52
LjLnot by summoning the ops10:52
ompaulgame over lets go back to work for a bit on whatever we were working on10:52
DuckFarti do know enough that operators of channels are called "ops". i asked the bot using the ! command how to get their attention.10:52
DuckFartwhich i obviously did10:53
LjLyou got our attention alright. i just wonder why you thought that, among the other 1000 people asking for help, *your* question deserved the ops' immediate attention.10:53
LjLagain - doing random things (assuming it was random) without knowing what they actually do may have consequences.10:54
DavieyI think he thought that ops could somehow help with GHOST's10:54
LjLi type a random command on my terminal: i may lose data.10:54
DuckFartif the ops command is so important, then perhaps it would be beneficial not to make it so easy to guess for people like me ;)10:54
LjLyou do random things on irc that happen to be bad: you get banned.10:54
LjLwelcome to life.10:54
mneptokDuckFart: and arguing about it is not going to get you any results you want. that's a certainty. (x2)10:54
mneptokDuckFart: i can add the <GIANT_DAMNED_HINT> tag if it would help ...10:55
DavieyShould IRC resolution plan be kicked into play?10:55
DuckFartmneptok: thank you (x2)10:55
ompaulDaviey, no10:55
ompaulDaviey, msg me if you want more details10:56
DuckFartthe IRC resolution?10:56
DuckFartLjL; in answer to your earlier question, i wanted ops help because the help i required was not related to the room topic.10:59
ompaulDuckFart, okay, do you see the point that !ops is not for general use?11:00
ompaulnow, not historically11:00
DuckFartyes, i do. obviously ops is for emergencies, but that is not entirely obivous for a newcomer.11:01
ubotuLjL called the ops in #ubuntu-bots11:01
ompaulLjL, why?11:02
Seveastesting I guess11:02
LjLompaul: err that's a bug actually, i guess11:02
LjLi didn't use !ops11:02
LjLi just used !-ops11:02
Seveasit's a bug!11:02
ubotuops aliases: kops, op, medic, calltheops, call the ops - added by Seveas on 2006-07-29 12:54:1211:02
ubotuSeveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops11:02
ompaulfile it11:02
Seveasno need to11:02
SeveasI'm on it :)11:02
ompaulfile it and get karma11:03
mc44in /dev/null11:03
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Seveas@pity ompaul11:03
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ompaulthanks a bunch11:03
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DuckFartompaul: yes, i do. obviously ops is for emergencies, but that is not entirely obivous for a newcomer.11:03
ompaulDuckFart, so we don't get many newcomers doing it11:03
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ompaulDuckFart, do you know how hard it is to treat you seriously with that nick?11:04
ubotuSeveas called the ops in #ubuntu-bots11:04
DuckFartlike i said, i guessed at the command because i know operators are called ops, and i asked the bot via ! to get the help i asked for11:04
ubotuops aliases: kops, op, medic, calltheops, call the ops - added by Seveas on 2006-07-29 12:54:1211:04
DuckFartompaul: i have a twisted sense of humour11:04
ompaulDuckFart, and you are dealing with people from many many countries and cultures11:05
DuckFartompaul: i have no doubt of that11:05
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SeveasI PITY THE FOWL!11:06
ompaulthat is brilliant11:06
ompaulSeveas, that is pitti the duck11:06
DuckFartlook for the "Vicar of Dibley" and the duck fart scene, might find it on YouTube11:06
ompaulna, I got worse things to be doing, it is not an issue11:06
ompauljust hard to convince me to be serious11:07
DuckFartompaul: fair enough. i don't take myself seriously half the time. but it's only a nick11:07
naliothjust like your name is only a name11:08
DuckFartas long as it put a smile on your face11:08
ompaulDuckFart, no, it is just I can't take this person seriously11:08
ompauland if you say vicar of dibley then I really can't take you seriously11:08
DuckFartompaul: ...11:09
ompaulDuckFart, I know Dawn F et al11:09
ompaulnot in real life11:10
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ompaulohh noes we are all dooomed it is mneptok with vioce11:11
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ompaulvoice even11:11
Seveasdoom gone11:11
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Davieynice sign off eh?11:13
ubotuHelp! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti or mneptok11:13
ubotumneptok called the ops in #ubuntu-ops11:13
PriceChild@lart mneptok11:13
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Seveas@pity mneptok11:13
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Davieyyou'd have thought that we would have avoided anything controversial, after what has just happend!11:14
Seveasmneptok, bnd over11:14
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Amaranth/cs k mneptok11:14
mneptokSeveas: 'tis better to give than to recieve ...11:14
ompaulDaviey, perhaps11:14
ompaulhis quit message is a bit "off"11:14
gnomefreakhes been around alot lately maybe last 2 weeks or so11:15
gnomefreaki remember that quit message11:15
mneptokbah. Bucharest is too hot.11:15
LjLmeh don't make such a deal of a quit message with an ellypsis at a sensible place now11:16
PriceChildthey call jenda "bullet"11:16
jendaPriceChild: 3 minute response time is ok :)11:16
PriceChildhehe it'll do :P11:16
gnomefreakPriceChild: what was your issue with compiz before?11:25
PriceChildgnomefreak, it wasn't compiz problem... fixed now... my fault I'm sure :)11:26
gnomefreakcompiz has issues on gutsy is why i ask11:26
PriceChildI haven't used compiz for a while11:26
gnomefreakupgrade depends borked11:27
mneptokgnomefreak: no worries. there are other brands of adult diapers.11:32
gnomefreaklol :)11:32
mneptokbetter than the pkgsrc "make clean-depends" command11:34
mneptokbedtime. noapte buna!11:41
mc44mneptok: when you wake up there'll be millions of dell customers waiting for you :)11:42
mneptokmneptok: not in Romania there ain't ;)11:43
mc44mneptok: no wonder you are talking to yourself :P11:43
Pici_3oo3 is trolling again in #ubuntu11:45
Amaranthhow do i make ubotu update it's package listing? :)11:53
SportChickwin stick off11:58
Amaranthlose stick off :P11:59
mc44win stick on!11:59
Piciwax off11:59
Amaranthwax on12:00
SeveasAmaranth, you don't -- that's done weekly12:01
Amaranth!info compiz gutsy12:02
ubotucompiz: OpenGL window and compositing manager. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.3.6-1ubuntu13 (gutsy), package size 26 kB, installed size 60 kB12:02
SeveasI could change it to daily12:02
Seveas!info compiz gutsy12:05
ubotucompiz: OpenGL window and compositing manager. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.5.0+git20070516-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 26 kB, installed size 60 kB12:05
gnomefreakAmaranth: dpkg failure in update to compiz (depends issue on compiz-gtk12:05
Amaranthgnomefreak: dpkg is being weird12:06
gnomefreakah ok12:06
Amaranthcompiz 0.5.0+git20070516 doesn't depend on compiz-gtk and compiz-gnome has a Conflicts/Replaces for compiz-gtk anyway12:06
Amaranthso it doesn't make much sense12:06
Amaranthi did a successful upgrade from 0.3.6 to this package before giving it to seb12812:07
gnomefreak!info compiz-gtk12:07
gnomefreak!info compiz-gtk gutsy12:07
ubotucompiz-gtk: OpenGL window and compositing manager - Gtk window decorator. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.3.6-1ubuntu13 (feisty), package size 60 kB, installed size 188 kB12:07
Amaranthi merged compiz-gtk into compiz-gnome12:07
Amaranthsince it only had gtk-window-decorator which we build with a metacity dependency12:08
Amaranthmaybe i was supposed to add a Provides too?12:08
gnomefreakthat would be why the error12:08
gnomefreakcompiz depends on compiz-gtk; however: Package compiz-gtk is to be removed.12:08
Amaranthi thought Conflicts/Replaces would be enough but i guess that's only for file ownership12:08
gnomefreaksince compiz-gtk is no longer its own package dpkg wants to remove it12:08
gnomefreakAmaranth: should have been enough afaik12:09
Amaranthright, but the new compiz metapackage doesn't depend on compiz-gtk12:09
Amaranthso it's upgrading things in the wrong order12:09
gnomefreakthats not that abnormal though thats why sometimes you have to run dpkg --configure after upgrades sometimes12:10
gnomefreakbut normally thats more of the release to release upgrades that you see that12:11
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Amaranththe real wtf is that the workspace switching keybindings are gone (because i change it to use viewports by default and dropped that huge patch)12:11
Amaranthso i need some way to override user settings for active_plugins, number_of_desktops, hsize, and vsize12:11
gnomefreaki havent played with compiz/beryl on my gutsy sys yet12:12
Amaranthwell the workspace switching keybindings added 39 options to compiz-core12:12
Amarantheach option is at least 5 lines of code before you even write the function to make it do something12:13
Amaranthand ~3-5 lines of XML12:13
Amaranthso i said screw that and dropped it, we're using viewports now :)12:13
gnomefreakgood move12:13
Amaranthright now it does 2x2 viewports with the plane plugin12:13
Amaranthbecause we want to use wall/expo and 2x2 is the best way to layout your viewports for that effect12:14
Amaranthbut wall/expo don't have a release yet so plane is filling in12:14
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