[01:31] <concept10> LjL, what you do that for?
[01:31] <LjL> concept10: i was ready
[01:31] <concept10> LjL, heh
[01:32] <PriceChild> Yeah... I noticed that first and am confused... /me reads even further back
[01:32] <concept10> LjL, i wasnt about to launch an attack or something.. I meant are you ready for the question of the day
[01:33] <LjL> concept10: well, i thought you meant ready to kick you, it's not like you specified
[01:33] <concept10> heh
[01:33] <LjL> PriceChild: there's nothing to read, it was just the random -offtopic kick of the day.
[01:33] <PriceChild> ah ok
[01:35] <umulia> Im here because of the topic on #Ubuntu : Please follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit to fix it, and then join #ubuntu-ops and ask to be tested
[01:36] <LjL> umulia: join ##ljl please
[01:37] <LjL> umulia: you can join, thank you
[01:37] <umulia> thank you :)
[02:04] <gnomefreak> anyone have a clue what a snafus is?
[02:04] <mc44> situation normal: all f*d up
[02:04] <gnomefreak> yeah it finally opened
[02:05] <gnomefreak> the dictionary applet wasnt opening
[02:05] <gnomefreak> ty
[02:12] <Jordan_U> Looks like ubotu is down
[02:12] <Hobbsee> !bot
[02:15] <gnomefreak> yep hes dead in pm too
[02:26] <PriceChild> woo ubotwo's working then :)
[02:27] <LjL> err... kind of
[02:27] <PriceChild> just replied in #ubuntu
[02:27] <LjL> yeah, i saw
[02:27] <LjL> it's laggy as hell for some reason however
[02:27] <PriceChild> still syncing?
[02:27] <LjL> no, i don't think it's that
[02:27] <LjL> the disconnects shouldn't have happened either
[02:27] <LjL> i think it's metabot that's loading the server too much - i've killed it now
[02:28] <LjL> supybot is for some reason very sensitive to cpu load...
[02:29] <gnomefreak> bblame pythonn for that :)
[02:29] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:29] <gnomefreak> damn talk about lag
[02:29] <PriceChild> haha
[02:30] <Jordan_U> It's back :)
[02:30] <Jordan_U> I just got my PM from 5 minutes ago :)
[02:30] <gnomefreak> me too
[02:30] <gnomefreak> but im lagging really bad too
[02:30] <gnomefreak> and thats not pythons fault its OO.o's fault
[02:32] <PriceChild> he seems to be pretty fine now...?
[02:32] <LjL> @lart PriceChild
[02:32] <LjL> yes, he is
[02:33] <PriceChild> hey i was writing that as you unbanned him
[02:33] <LjL> @pity PriceChild
[02:33] <LjL> it's responsive, and doesn't backfire. fine really
[02:34] <LjL> @shakespeare
[02:34] <ubotu> Thou mewling doghearted whey-face!
[02:36] <Hobbsee> oookay..
[05:39] <ubotu> In ubotu, pike_ said: scanners is Scanners are people with telepathic and telekinetic abilities, with a total of 236 of them documented by ConSec, a corporation specialising in weaponry and security systems.
[05:41] <ubotu> In ubotu, pike_ said: scanner is a person with telepathic and telekinetic abilities, with a total of 236 of them documented by ConSec, a corporation specialising in weaponry and security systems.
[05:58] <Hobbsee> oh no, it's Amaranth
[05:58] <Hobbsee> !
[05:58] <Amaranth> leaving :P
[06:49] <tonyyarusso> apokryphos: ping - know much about supybot and rss feeds?
[06:52] <tonyyarusso> apokryphos: specifically, tonyybot in ##tonyyarusso is "Unable to download feed" for blogs on LiveJournal or Blogger, but works for Wordpress, Xanga, MySpace, and a few others.  Feel free to poke around with it - I'm baffled.  (The control character is ~ )
[07:07] <Hobbsee> hi weaselboy
[07:08] <Burgundavia> hey Hobbsee
[07:08] <Burgundavia> hmm, gutsy is boring
[07:08] <Burgundavia> is there a new kernel yet?
[07:08] <Hobbsee> that's the purely evil sexy psycopathic bitch from au, to you, thankyou!
[07:08] <Hobbsee> define borking
[07:08] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:08] <Burgundavia> no, boring
[07:08] <Hobbsee> whcih bit in particular is borking
[07:08] <tonyyarusso> ....
[07:08] <Hobbsee> aww
[07:08] <Hobbsee> drat
[07:08] <Hobbsee> sorry
[07:08] <Burgundavia> the only thing that happened my fonts broke
[07:08] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: since when are you referred to as that?
[07:09] <Burgundavia> due to hinting not working correctly
[07:09] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: i got hte two first ones today
[07:09] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: Burgundavia decided i was pure evil, earlier
[07:09] <tonyyarusso> ah
[07:10] <Burgundavia> seriously, is there a 21 or 22 kernel built yet?
[07:10] <Burgundavia> I am too lazy to check the build logs
[07:10] <nalioth> Burgundavia: you just now got to that conclusion?
[07:10] <nalioth> it is mathematically proven that women are evil
[07:10] <Hobbsee> it's either 21 or 22.  i think it migth be 22 now
[07:11] <Hobbsee> nalioth: and that we dont want them in open source?
[07:12] <tonyyarusso> Wouldn't want them turning OSS evil.  Keep 'em in Microsoft, I say!  :P
[07:13] <nalioth> no, evil women are fun
[07:14] <Jordan_U> tonyyarusso, You mean like Novelle?
[07:14] <tonyyarusso> Jordan_U: heh
[07:15] <Burgundavia> right, there has been no linux-meta built yet
[07:16] <Hobbsee> nalioth: i havent seen that?
[07:16] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: correct
[07:17] <Burgundavia> is it only the image and -r-m I need?
[07:17] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: http://maxwell.ucsc.edu/~stephanie/girls%20are%20root%20of%20evil.jpg
[07:18] <Hobbsee> hahahahaha nice
[07:28] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: your brother wants the boot in -motu
[07:28] <Madpilot> I don't have ops there, far as I konw
[07:28] <Madpilot> know, even
[07:29] <Madpilot> and do you mean 'he needs removing from -motu' or 'he wants to get ops in -motu'? Two quite different things
[07:29] <Madpilot> ;)
[07:30] <Burgundavia> hmm?
[07:30] <Burgundavia> and Hobbsee, you were thinking before I stepped out?
[07:30] <Seveas> c'est un weaslboy!
[07:31] <Hobbsee> Seveas!
[07:31] <Seveas> where?
[07:32] <Madpilot> Apparently some nicknames do stick. Imagine that.
[07:33] <Hobbsee> poor Burgundavia...
[07:34] <Burgundavia> pretty much
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> The nick is available, FYI
[07:35] <Madpilot> Hobbsee, s/not/now, I think you meant
[07:35] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:42] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, he said a number of times the other week "I should never have installed Ubuntu on his computer"
[07:45] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:45] <Hobbsee> poor Burgundavia....
[07:45] <Hobbsee> we should all go back to picking on the mad dutchman
[07:45] <elkbuntu> but that's been done to death!
[07:46] <Hobbsee> i'm sure there are new ways to pick on him
[07:55] <Burgundavia> is there a reason that powernowd is not run by default?
[10:26] <Jucato> heh ubotu's having quite a day :)
[11:12] <ubotu> h4wk0 called the ops in #ubuntu
[11:13] <Madpilot> just a bit of lag there, ubotu
[11:13] <Jucato> he's been lagging all day...
[01:27] <Seeker`> would it be possible to have !logs changed for #ubuntu-uk?
[01:28] <Seeker`> to point to http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org
[01:43] <mooky> has pricechild been in today ?
[01:43] <mooky> oops
[01:43] <Seeker`> I haven't seen him
[01:44] <ikonia_> logged in with someone elses account
[01:46] <ompaul> ikonia, :)
[01:47] <ikonia_> hello
[01:47] <ikonia_> you called
[01:47] <ompaul> na just saying hi
[01:47] <ikonia_> ahh, hello ompaul
[01:47] <ikonia_> hope all is well
[01:48] <ompaul> getting therte
[01:48] <ompaul> there
[01:48] <ikonia_> good good
[01:48] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, Nom- said: ubotu: fakeraid is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto
[01:48] <ikonia_> ughh irssis is very alien
[01:50] <ikonia_> irssi even
[02:37] <Seeker`> is anyone here able to change the bot responses?
[02:39] <ikonia_> a few people can
[02:39] <ikonia_> what response is bad?
[02:39] <Seeker`> the repsonse to !logs in #ubuntu-uk
[02:39] <Seeker`> it should be http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org
[02:40] <Hobbsee> !logs
[02:40] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[02:40] <Hobbsee> !logs-#ubuntu-uk is <reply> Channel logs can be found at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/
[02:40] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[02:41] <Hobbsee> there you go :)
[02:41] <Seeker`> thanks :D
[08:29] <karan> hey, y am i redirected to #ubuntu-read-topic
[08:29] <karan> i am unable to join #ubuntu
[08:30] <karan> some help plz
[08:31] <Seveas> did you rad the topic in #ubuntu-read-topic?
[08:31] <nalioth> karan: join ##nalioth please
[08:31] <SportChick> Seveas: heh, I was about to ask that :)
[08:31] <Seveas> SportChick, :)
[08:31] <karan> SEveas:i have changed the port
[08:32] <Seveas> karan, excellent :)
[08:32] <Seveas> then join ##nalioth for a test
[08:32] <karan> okie
[08:33] <SportChick> Seveas: got a sec? :)
[08:33] <karan> i am the only user there :(
[08:33] <SportChick> karan: did you join #nalioth or ##nalioth?
[08:33] <nalioth> SportChick: ##nalioth
[08:33] <Seveas> SportChick, sure
[08:33] <karan> ##nalioth
[08:33] <SportChick> k :)
[08:34] <karan> Seveas:wats next?
[08:34] <nalioth> karan: you need to type /j ##nalioth <enter>
[08:34] <Seveas> karan, if nalioth tested you, he'll unban you
[08:36] <karan> sorry i made a typo error :)
[08:36] <karan> nalioth,u can check now
[08:37] <nalioth> karan: you can join #ubuntu now, thanks for you patience
[08:37] <karan> nalioth:wat its all about?
[08:38] <karan> do u really find a bug?
[08:38] <nalioth> karan: no bugs on you  :)
[08:39] <karan> may i know the reason ,why i am banned?
[08:40] <nalioth> karan: you apparently were vulnerable
[08:40] <karan> wat do you meant ;)
[10:27] <ubotu> DuckFart_ called the ops in #ubuntu
[10:29] <ompaul> duckfart is not in #ubuntu anymore
[10:29] <ompaul> mneptok, go back to sleep :)
[10:29] <mneptok> ompaul: yes, dear.
[10:32] <PriceChild> What's going on? :)
[10:32] <Daviey> PriceChild, few things - http://www.bbc.co.uk/whatson/
[10:32] <PriceChild> @lart Daviey
[10:34] <Daviey> ompaul, /dev/urandom
[10:34] <DuckFart> i believe i've been unfairly kicked from the #ubuntu room
[10:34] <Seveas> no, you abused the !ops command -- that always gets you banned
[10:35] <DuckFart> i simply asked for help be because my nick was locked out from me and I didn't know the command to release it. does that deserve being banned from a room?
[10:35] <DuckFart> you could have simply refused
[10:36] <Seveas> the !ops command is not for help. It's for emergencies
[10:36] <DuckFart> or offered the correct command so i could help myself
[10:38] <DuckFart> Seveas: i'm not getting an answer here
[10:39] <Seveas> indeed
[10:39] <Seveas> this channel is not for support
[10:39] <Seveas> and I explained why you were bannd
[10:39] <DuckFart> i understand your explanation, but i don't understand your intolerance.
[10:40] <LjL> i wonder how you could know about the existence of an !ops command without knowing when it must [not]  be used
[10:40] <DuckFart> i guessed
[10:40] <Seveas> ha-ha
[10:40] <Seveas> credibility--
[10:41] <DuckFart> i was originally expecting a reply from a bot, not from an actual op
[10:41] <DuckFart> that's what the "!" was for
[10:41] <LjL> ...
[10:41] <mneptok> DuckFart: so now you know. case closed.
[10:42] <DuckFart> mneptok: thank you.
[10:42] <Daviey> I think what DuckFart wants to know - how long will the ban last?
[10:42] <Seveas> Daviey, there are no set times for that
[10:43] <mneptok> DuckFart: my pleasure
[10:43] <DuckFart> the length of the ban doesn't concern me. i not happy with the fact that i've been banned because i asked for help the *wrong way*
[10:43] <LjL> i wonder why the other 1000 people in #ubuntu, most of who, obviously, are there to get help, don't come up with typing !ops to get their help
[10:44] <mneptok> DuckFart: i'm not happy that i don't have a pony. life is like that. when i get upset about it, i usually try to stop thinking about ponies.
[10:44] <DuckFart> considering i've only been on irc a few times, feel free to expect a few errors on my part
[10:45] <DuckFart> LjL: if ops aren't there to deal with problems, then what are they there for?
[10:45] <DuckFart> i had a problem, i asked ops for help.
[10:45] <mneptok> DuckFart: your first mistake is thinking Ubuntu ops can do anything about Freenode issues
[10:45] <nalioth> freenode issues?
[10:45] <LjL> DuckFart: you've got it totally wrong. totally.
[10:45] <mneptok> nalioth: nick ghosting
[10:46] <LjL> nalioth: no issues, he just wanted his nick back
[10:46] <DuckFart> LjL; then educatation is good, banning isn't
[10:46] <nalioth> ah
[10:46] <ompaul> DuckFart, it is not an issue for education in #ubuntu however
[10:46] <LjL> DuckFart, well, if i were a new user on irc (or on anything), i would *not* try typing random commands
[10:46] <DuckFart> nalioth. for some reasion, i got disconnected, but my nick was still active, i couldn't sign in as myself
[10:47] <LjL> DuckFart: you surely know of a command called "rm" in Unix. maybe you want to randomly try it with some options?
[10:47] <mneptok> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mneptok
[10:47] <gnomefreak> new users know ther eis a bot in there and what the trigger is?
[10:47] <ompaul> DuckFart, that is what /ns ghost $username $pass is for
[10:47] <mc44> mneptok: bah, the world didn't blow up :(
[10:47] <ompaul> DuckFart, you know this place exists, and you could ask here or in -offtopic it was not a ubuntu support issue or even in #freenode
[10:47] <DuckFart> again, i'm new to irc. i don't know all the commands. i simply went to #ubuntu for help, and was able to give some help in return. i wasn't expecting to know all the irc in the process
[10:48] <mneptok> mc44: didn't it? ... DIDN'T IT?!??!
[10:48] <mc44> mneptok: I should go outside and check
[10:48] <ompaul> DuckFart, your learning ;-)
[10:48] <DuckFart> ompaul. i didn't know this placed existed until seveas pointed out to me about 10 mins ago.
[10:49] <ompaul> and I get to say it again :)
[10:49] <mneptok> DuckFart: before randomly entering bot commands you might want to acquaint yourself with what they actually do. lest you piss people off. which you did.
[10:50] <DuckFart> mneptok. i simply asked for help. if they don't like it, perhaps they shouldn't be in a position to kick.
[10:50] <mneptok> DuckFart: and arguing about it is not going to get you any results you want. that's a certainty.
[10:50] <ompaul> DuckFart, the thing is when !opz is hit up to 20 people get a highlight and stop whatever they are doing and arrive
[10:50] <DuckFart> ompaul: i didn't know requesting for ops would do that. it's not exaclty posted in the MOTD
[10:50] <mneptok> DuckFart: then you should not have typed the command?
[10:50] <ompaul> well you do now, and as I said, you are learning, you'll get the hang of it some day
[10:51] <mneptok> DuckFart: how is that unclear?
[10:51] <DuckFart> i'm sorry if i upset anyone by simply asking for help when i got stuck, but if you're going to ban becasue you don't like it, then try finding something else to waste your time.
[10:51] <gnomefreak> what did you expect it to do?
[10:52] <nalioth> DuckFart: what did you expect the !ops command to help you with?
[10:52] <LjL> you didn't "ask for help", you used a command that you couldn't even have guessed existed.
[10:52] <LjL> stop thinking we're idiots.
[10:52] <Daviey> gnomefreak, i used it once expecting a list of current ops - whoops
[10:52] <LjL> there are hundreds of people on #ubuntu everyday
[10:52] <LjL> they all ask for help
[10:52] <LjL> and they do that by *asking*
[10:52] <LjL> not by summoning the ops
[10:52] <ompaul> game over lets go back to work for a bit on whatever we were working on
[10:52] <DuckFart> i do know enough that operators of channels are called "ops". i asked the bot using the ! command how to get their attention.
[10:53] <DuckFart> which i obviously did
[10:53] <LjL> you got our attention alright. i just wonder why you thought that, among the other 1000 people asking for help, *your* question deserved the ops' immediate attention.
[10:54] <LjL> again - doing random things (assuming it was random) without knowing what they actually do may have consequences.
[10:54] <Daviey> I think he thought that ops could somehow help with GHOST's
[10:54] <LjL> i type a random command on my terminal: i may lose data.
[10:54] <DuckFart> if the ops command is so important, then perhaps it would be beneficial not to make it so easy to guess for people like me ;)
[10:54] <LjL> you do random things on irc that happen to be bad: you get banned.
[10:54] <LjL> welcome to life.
[10:54] <mneptok> DuckFart: and arguing about it is not going to get you any results you want. that's a certainty. (x2)
[10:55] <mneptok> DuckFart: i can add the <GIANT_DAMNED_HINT> tag if it would help ...
[10:55] <Daviey> Should IRC resolution plan be kicked into play?
[10:55] <DuckFart> mneptok: thank you (x2)
[10:55] <ompaul> Daviey, no
[10:56] <ompaul> Daviey, msg me if you want more details
[10:56] <DuckFart> the IRC resolution?
[10:59] <DuckFart> LjL; in answer to your earlier question, i wanted ops help because the help i required was not related to the room topic.
[11:00] <ompaul> DuckFart, okay, do you see the point that !ops is not for general use?
[11:00] <ompaul> now, not historically
[11:01] <DuckFart> yes, i do. obviously ops is for emergencies, but that is not entirely obivous for a newcomer.
[11:01] <ubotu> LjL called the ops in #ubuntu-bots
[11:02] <ompaul> LjL, why?
[11:02] <Seveas> testing I guess
[11:02] <ompaul> yah
[11:02] <LjL> ompaul: err that's a bug actually, i guess
[11:02] <LjL> i didn't use !ops
[11:02] <Seveas> yah
[11:02] <LjL> i just used !-ops
[11:02] <Seveas> it's a bug!
[11:02] <Seveas> !-ops
[11:02] <ubotu> ops aliases: kops, op, medic, calltheops, call the ops - added by Seveas on 2006-07-29 12:54:12
[11:02] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops
[11:02] <ompaul> file it
[11:02] <Seveas> no need to
[11:02] <Seveas> I'm on it :)
[11:02] <ompaul> :)
[11:03] <ompaul> file it and get karma
[11:03] <mc44> in /dev/null
[11:03] <Seveas> @pity ompaul
[11:03] <ompaul> thanks a bunch
[11:03] <DuckFart> ompaul: yes, i do. obviously ops is for emergencies, but that is not entirely obivous for a newcomer.
[11:03] <ompaul> DuckFart, so we don't get many newcomers doing it
[11:04] <ompaul> DuckFart, do you know how hard it is to treat you seriously with that nick?
[11:04] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-bots
[11:04] <DuckFart> like i said, i guessed at the command because i know operators are called ops, and i asked the bot via ! to get the help i asked for
[11:04] <Seveas> !-ops
[11:04] <ubotu> ops aliases: kops, op, medic, calltheops, call the ops - added by Seveas on 2006-07-29 12:54:12
[11:04] <Seveas> fixed
[11:04] <DuckFart> ompaul: i have a twisted sense of humour
[11:05] <ompaul> DuckFart, and you are dealing with people from many many countries and cultures
[11:05] <DuckFart> ompaul: i have no doubt of that
[11:05] <PriceChild> *groan*
[11:05] <ompaul> hahaha
[11:05] <Seveas> ROFL
[11:06] <Seveas> I PITY THE FOWL!
[11:06] <ompaul> that is brilliant
[11:06] <ompaul> Seveas, that is pitti the duck
[11:06] <DuckFart> look for the "Vicar of Dibley" and the duck fart scene, might find it on YouTube
[11:06] <ompaul> na, I got worse things to be doing, it is not an issue
[11:07] <ompaul> just hard to convince me to be serious
[11:07] <DuckFart> ompaul: fair enough. i don't take myself seriously half the time. but it's only a nick
[11:08] <nalioth> just like your name is only a name
[11:08] <DuckFart> as long as it put a smile on your face
[11:08] <ompaul> DuckFart, no, it is just I can't take this person seriously
[11:08] <ompaul> and if you say vicar of dibley then I really can't take you seriously
[11:09] <DuckFart> ompaul: ...
[11:09] <ompaul> DuckFart, I know Dawn F et al
[11:10] <ompaul> not in real life
[11:11] <ompaul> ohh noes we are all dooomed it is mneptok with vioce
[11:11] <ompaul> voice even
[11:11] <Seveas> doom gone
[11:13] <Daviey> nice sign off eh?
[11:13] <mneptok> !ops
[11:13] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti or mneptok
[11:13] <ubotu> mneptok called the ops in #ubuntu-ops
[11:13] <PriceChild> @lart mneptok
[11:13] <Seveas> @pity mneptok
[11:13] <LjL> fnnng
[11:13] <mneptok> THAT QUIT MESSAGE ANNOYS ME!
[11:14] <Daviey> you'd have thought that we would have avoided anything controversial, after what has just happend!
[11:14] <Seveas> mneptok, bnd over
[11:14] <Amaranth> /cs k mneptok
[11:14] <mneptok> Seveas: 'tis better to give than to recieve ...
[11:14] <ompaul> Daviey, perhaps
[11:14] <ompaul> his quit message is a bit "off"
[11:15] <gnomefreak> hes been around alot lately maybe last 2 weeks or so
[11:15] <gnomefreak> i remember that quit message
[11:15] <mneptok> bah. Bucharest is too hot.
[11:16] <jenda> mneptok?
[11:16] <mneptok> jenda?
[11:16] <LjL> meh don't make such a deal of a quit message with an ellypsis at a sensible place now
[11:16] <PriceChild> they call jenda "bullet"
[11:16] <jenda> O_o
[11:16] <jenda> PriceChild: 3 minute response time is ok :)
[11:16] <PriceChild> hehe it'll do :P
[11:25] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: what was your issue with compiz before?
[11:26] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, it wasn't compiz problem... fixed now... my fault I'm sure :)
[11:26] <gnomefreak> compiz has issues on gutsy is why i ask
[11:26] <PriceChild> I haven't used compiz for a while
[11:26] <gnomefreak> .reload
[11:26] <gnomefreak> darn
[11:27] <gnomefreak> upgrade depends borked
[11:32] <mneptok> gnomefreak: no worries. there are other brands of adult diapers.
[11:32] <gnomefreak> lol :)
[11:34] <mneptok> better than the pkgsrc "make clean-depends" command
[11:41] <mneptok> bedtime. noapte buna!
[11:42] <mc44> mneptok: when you wake up there'll be millions of dell customers waiting for you :)
[11:43] <mneptok> mneptok: not in Romania there ain't ;)
[11:43] <mc44> mneptok: no wonder you are talking to yourself :P
[11:45] <Pici> _3oo3 is trolling again in #ubuntu
[11:45] <Pici> nevermind
[11:53] <Amaranth> how do i make ubotu update it's package listing? :)
[11:58] <SportChick> win stick off
[11:59] <Amaranth> lose stick off :P
[11:59] <mc44> win stick on!
[11:59] <Pici> wax off
[12:00] <Amaranth> wax on
[12:01] <Seveas> Amaranth, you don't -- that's done weekly
[12:01] <Amaranth> aww
[12:02] <Amaranth> !info compiz gutsy
[12:02] <ubotu> compiz: OpenGL window and compositing manager. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.3.6-1ubuntu13 (gutsy), package size 26 kB, installed size 60 kB
[12:02] <Seveas> I could change it to daily
[12:05] <Seveas> !info compiz gutsy
[12:05] <ubotu> compiz: OpenGL window and compositing manager. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.5.0+git20070516-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 26 kB, installed size 60 kB
[12:05] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: dpkg failure in update to compiz (depends issue on compiz-gtk
[12:06] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: dpkg is being weird
[12:06] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:06] <Amaranth> compiz 0.5.0+git20070516 doesn't depend on compiz-gtk and compiz-gnome has a Conflicts/Replaces for compiz-gtk anyway
[12:06] <Amaranth> so it doesn't make much sense
[12:07] <Amaranth> i did a successful upgrade from 0.3.6 to this package before giving it to seb128
[12:07] <gnomefreak> !info compiz-gtk
[12:07] <gnomefreak> !info compiz-gtk gutsy
[12:07] <ubotu> compiz-gtk: OpenGL window and compositing manager - Gtk window decorator. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.3.6-1ubuntu13 (feisty), package size 60 kB, installed size 188 kB
[12:07] <Amaranth> i merged compiz-gtk into compiz-gnome
[12:08] <Amaranth> since it only had gtk-window-decorator which we build with a metacity dependency
[12:08] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[12:08] <Amaranth> maybe i was supposed to add a Provides too?
[12:08] <gnomefreak> that would be why the error
[12:08] <gnomefreak> compiz depends on compiz-gtk; however: Package compiz-gtk is to be removed.
[12:08] <Amaranth> i thought Conflicts/Replaces would be enough but i guess that's only for file ownership
[12:08] <gnomefreak> since compiz-gtk is no longer its own package dpkg wants to remove it
[12:09] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: should have been enough afaik
[12:09] <Amaranth> right, but the new compiz metapackage doesn't depend on compiz-gtk
[12:09] <Amaranth> so it's upgrading things in the wrong order
[12:10] <gnomefreak> thats not that abnormal though thats why sometimes you have to run dpkg --configure after upgrades sometimes
[12:11] <gnomefreak> but normally thats more of the release to release upgrades that you see that
[12:11] <Amaranth> the real wtf is that the workspace switching keybindings are gone (because i change it to use viewports by default and dropped that huge patch)
[12:11] <Amaranth> so i need some way to override user settings for active_plugins, number_of_desktops, hsize, and vsize
[12:12] <gnomefreak> i havent played with compiz/beryl on my gutsy sys yet
[12:12] <Amaranth> ah
[12:12] <Amaranth> well the workspace switching keybindings added 39 options to compiz-core
[12:13] <Amaranth> each option is at least 5 lines of code before you even write the function to make it do something
[12:13] <Amaranth> and ~3-5 lines of XML
[12:13] <Amaranth> so i said screw that and dropped it, we're using viewports now :)
[12:13] <gnomefreak> good move
[12:13] <Amaranth> right now it does 2x2 viewports with the plane plugin
[12:14] <Amaranth> because we want to use wall/expo and 2x2 is the best way to layout your viewports for that effect
[12:14] <Amaranth> but wall/expo don't have a release yet so plane is filling in