[12:25] <crimsun> SimonAnibal: back up both /var/lib/dpkg/available, cp available-old to available? If available-old exhibits it, too, back up both, remove both, then apt-get update
[12:27] <SimonAnibal> Phew!
[12:27] <SimonAnibal> the available-old works
[12:28] <SimonAnibal> :-/
[12:28] <SimonAnibal> maybe not, give me a sec
[12:46] <happywithed> Hello there
[12:47] <happywithed> Can anyone here direct me to the documentation read to enable the USB ports on my thin clients?
[12:52] <happywithed> Anyone? I am using Edubuntu Feisty
[07:33] <crimsun> ogra: taking the pulseaudio merge if you don't mind. I've backported the DoS vuln fixes (pA ticket 67).
[08:17] <willvdl> Morning folks
[08:18] <LaserJock> uh oh
[08:18] <LaserJock> it must be getting a bit late
[08:18] <LaserJock> I saw will go to bed and now I see him getting up
[08:21] <willvdl> nah, you didn't see me last night ...
[08:21] <willvdl> had dinner party
[08:21] <willvdl> LaserJock, what's your local time?
[08:24] <RichEd> g'morning
[08:25] <`6og> hi
[08:25] <RichEd> mr kryptic kurt ... wassup with the nick ?
[08:26] <`6og> my connection must have reset. this is one of my spare nicks
[08:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> and while i'm `6og i get some time off ;)
[08:28] <RichEd> sneaky sneaky
[08:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> sometimes you have to be ;)
[08:32] <highvoltage> morning RichEd and Kamping_Kaiser
[08:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> morning/arvo highvoltage
[08:32] <RichEd> hi highvoltage
[08:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol :|
[08:34] <willvdl> :) it's called "arvie" over here
[08:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[08:42] <RichEd> hi willvdl ... vodacom behaving now ?
[08:43] <willvdl> RichEd, seems it wasn't vodacom...
[08:44] <RichEd> was your equipment faulty ;) ?
[08:44] <willvdl> pcmcia buggy in feisty
[08:44] <willvdl> and a virus in windows :)
[08:44] <highvoltage> willvdl: will you be around next week? people are pesting me for videos, I'll have to do something about that!
[08:59] <LaserJock> willvdl: 12:00am
[11:16] <ogra> LaserJock, still around ?
[11:18] <highvoltage> ogra: about those videos (saw you mentioned it in meeting-hilights), I'm ~1000km from home atm, and willvdl has my camera and tapes, I'm getting it from him on monday, then I can get it all ripped
[11:19] <ogra> highvoltage, no hurry
[11:19] <ogra> its great they exist, if they are online one day in the far future thats fine as well :)
[11:20] <highvoltage> ok. it should be by the end of next weekend at the latest.
[11:23] <ogra> oooh sillyness ....
[11:24] <ogra> this release would have been the first one where we didnt need to touch gcompris ...
[11:25] <ogra> but now gnome-games provides gnuchess which didnt exist in main before so it wasnt a build dependency ...
[11:26] <ogra> if you build it now, it finds something that provides gnuchess (gnome-games) and indeed it tries to build against it ... which doesnt work because there is only a gnuchess replacement
[11:33] <highvoltage> oho.
[11:33] <highvoltage> ohno, even.
[11:34] <ogra> hey, and its only 100M source
[11:35] <ogra> fun to upload if we get a new upstream in the middle of the release cycle
[11:52] <willvdl> 100M source for a chess game?
[11:52] <willvdl> that's one intelligent chess game
[02:00] <moquist> ogra-classmate: what exactly am I ampersanding to get nbd to run in the background? I'm looking at /opt/lt.../etc/init.d/nbd-client but it's non-obvious...
[02:01] <moquist> ogra-classmate: I'm guessing just "$0 activate", though.
[02:04] <moquist> ogra: ^^^^ (whichever of you is here :)
[02:07] <moquist> ogra: no reduction in time to monitor detection from adding nolapic noacpi
[02:08] <ogra-classmate> moquist: ltsp-client-setup is where you want to look
[02:18] <moquist> ogra-classmate: k; i ampersanded nbd-client in ltsp-client-setup
[02:20] <moquist> most of the time leading up to the monitor detection comes after 'nbd_server" in syslog on the server; I guess X is probably being configured then.
[02:20] <moquist> ogra-classmate: static X config is the last of the things that we've discussed that I haven't tried, so hopefully that will help.
[02:22] <ogra-classmate> it will
[02:22] <moquist> Oy. It was *slower* with nbd& and nolapic noacpi
[02:23] <ogra-classmate> but still, there is a kernel issue, i'm sure
[02:23] <moquist> yep
[02:23] <ogra-classmate> are you actually sure its the -386 kernel, not the -generic one /
[02:23] <ogra-classmate> ?
[02:24] <ogra-classmate> there were some issues with the kernel package during feisty dev
[02:24] <ogra-classmate> so if you installed from an early pre version you might have the wrong kernel
[02:24] <ogra-classmate> check that
[02:24] <moquist> edubuntu 2.6.20-15-386
[02:25] <moquist> ogra-classmate: No, this is the released version.
[02:25] <ogra-classmate> ok
[02:26] <moquist> ogra-classmate: so what is involved in me using static xorg.conf? If I just copy the generated one into the chroot, will that get used, or do I need to tell it somewhere not to do all the detection stuff?
[02:26] <ogra-classmate> you need to add an entry to lts.conf
[02:27] <ogra-classmate> like it was in 4.2
[02:27] <moquist> right
[02:36] <moquist> ogra-classmate: we shaved off a minute with static xorg.conf
[02:36] <moquist> now: 238: seconds after DHCP success to login prompt
[02:46] <moquist> ogra-classmate: list of modules loaded on the TC (in case you're interested, or in case you see anything immediately suspicous): http://n01se.net/paste/99?pretty=yes
[03:18] <willvdl> ogra, at what stage in the devel cycle do apps get considered for main inclusion? anytime before the freeze?
[03:18] <ogra-classmate> any time
[03:19] <ogra-classmate> until very short before release
[03:19] <ogra-classmate> it really depnds on the complexity
[03:19] <moquist> CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=40 really makes use of those processors... ;)
[03:20] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, thanks
[03:20] <willvdl> would have thought before feature freeze
[03:20] <ogra-classmate> no, it really depends on the app
[03:21] <ogra-classmate> its favorable to have it done before FF though
[03:21] <ogra-classmate> so you get more testing
[03:22] <willvdl> gotcha
[03:37] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, last one: when does the process of choosing apps for the CDs usually start and end?
[03:37] <willvdl> at UDS we were implying that that would happen at each UDS but I can't see how
[03:37] <ogra-classmate> there was no such process yet, we just added stuff if we thought it would fit until now
[03:38] <ogra-classmate> the *plan* was that it *should* happen in the future at every UDS
[03:38] <willvdl> hmmm, just thinking of chickens and eggs :)
[03:38] <willvdl> not to worry, I'm being cryptic.
[03:38] <ogra-classmate> for feisty for example, LaserJock and me just sat down and he suggested science apps from universe
[03:39] <ogra-classmate> the last poackage went in shortly after beta iirc
[03:39] <moquist> mmmmm. chicken. eggs.
[03:39] <ogra-classmate> stop taklking about food
[03:39] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, I think I have a solution
[03:39] <willvdl> moquist, gnaw on your fingers, that should take the hunger away
[03:40] <ogra-classmate> we shouldnt do anything this time but get the voting mechanism up
[03:40] <ogra-classmate> then next time we have a list toreview and compare against what we currently have
[03:41] <willvdl> ogra-classmate,yeah. I'm just putting finishing touches on the spec
[03:42] <moquist> willvdl: I'm still hungry, and now I'm getting blood on my keyboard.
[03:42] <willvdl> had a really good look at appdb.winehq.com and have stolen some ideas from there
[03:42] <willvdl> moquist, try swallowing the finger. that should also work
[03:42] <ogra-classmate> did i say i got the wireless card on the classmate working ?
[03:42] <moquist> what did it take?
[03:42] <ogra-classmate> willvdl: uuuh, that could lead to bowl hugs
[03:42] <willvdl> liquid laughs
[03:43] <ogra-classmate> moquist: compiling the upstream source from serialmonkey.com
[03:43] <ogra-classmate> it doesnt work with NM but is usable vial the network-admin tool
[03:44] <moquist> 4 procs at 99%, and this is *still* taking a while.
[03:44] <ogra-classmate> i'm looking around, there seem to exist NM patches as well somewhere
[03:44] <moquist> It's been 2.5 years since I ran gentoo. I'd forgotten how long this takes.
[03:44] <ogra-classmate> heh
[03:45] <ogra-classmate> but i'm compiling my stuff directly here .... on the classmate ... its not as badd as one would think :)
[03:45] <ogra-classmate> s/but/btw/
[03:45] <moquist> Of course, at that point the only modules I built were the ones I explicitly configured. Now I'm getting everything in Ubuntu *minus* what I got rid of.
[03:47] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, it's an 800MHz cpu right?
[03:47] <moquist> 900 IIRC
[03:47] <willvdl> L2 cache?
[03:47] <ogra-classmate> yep 900
[03:47] <ogra-classmate> 64k :P
[03:47] <willvdl> ah
[03:47] <willvdl> sounds like my desktop at home
[03:48] <ogra-classmate> heh
[03:48] <willvdl> I'm not kidding
[03:48] <ogra-classmate> well,m the screen is a bit smaller i guess ....
[03:48] <ogra-classmate> but then you have a handle ....
[03:48] <willvdl> the whole thing is a bit smaller!
[03:48] <ogra-classmate> heh, yes
[03:48] <willvdl> and infinitely cooler
[03:49] <ogra-classmate> zeah
[03:49] <ogra-classmate> err
[03:49] <ogra-classmate> yeah
[03:49] <willvdl> btw, some merchant banker buddies of mine want some classmates too...
[03:49] <ogra-classmate> well, the keyboard needs some trainiong
[03:49] <willvdl> gnaw on your fingers until their thinner
[03:49] <ogra-classmate> i'm still not good enough
[03:49] <moquist> I emailed larry and ajit to see if we could get some as SFD prizes, but no response so far. :(
[03:50] <willvdl> que es SFD prize?
[03:50] <ogra-classmate> software freedom day
[03:50] <moquist> willvdl: http://softwarefreedomday.org <-- we run some contests in association with the day
[03:50] <willvdl> por supuesta
[03:59] <moquist> SCOTTY!!!!!!!!!
[03:59] <sbalneav> hey moquist!
[03:59] <moquist> sbalneav: didja get jibraltar?
[04:00] <sbalneav> Sure did!  Thanks!
[04:00] <moquist> coolies</pia>
[04:02] <willvdl> hhhhawt
[04:29] <DShepherd> I want to install the kde edutainment package on ubuntu. What is the name of the package?
[04:29] <ogra-classmate> kdeedu
[04:31] <DShepherd> ogra-classmate, thanks
[05:38] <SimonAnibal> So, does anyone else feel a little strange about Ubuntu's main site being a screaming advertisement for Dell, while Dell's main site says not a thing about Ubuntu???
[05:39] <SimonAnibal> And by screaming, I mean that the entire screen is an advertisement in 1024x768
[05:40] <SimonAnibal> Oh, wait a minute, I guess they just recently did put Ubuntu up on the first page
[05:44] <Hilmar> Enyone from Denmark inhere!?!?!?!
[05:44] <Hilmar> Anyone...*
[05:45] <willvdl> sorry...
[05:45] <willvdl> maybe ask in Danish :)
[05:47] <Hilmar> nogen herinde fra danmark??
[05:49] <Hilmar> A friend and I just started a project for getting linux in schools and we would like to use edubuntu.dk for the webpage
[05:50] <Hilmar> we will be testing skolelinux and edubuntu to find the best solution... If edubuntu turns out to be it, well then edubuntu.dk would be optimal
[05:51] <Hilmar> whos doing the edubuntu.com webpage?
[05:52] <yuriy> Hilmar: you might want to see what your loco is doing too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanishTeam/
[05:55] <Hilmar> Im part of the loco team... we just got the page up and running :)
[05:56] <willvdl> awesome.
[05:56] <willvdl> you listed on the LoCo team pages?
[05:56] <Hilmar> yeah... Hows the progress on edubuntu? and does anyone know about skolelinux?
[05:56] <willvdl> very familiar with skole
[05:57] <Hilmar> okay... I havent tried anything out yet.. doing the final project this week
[05:59] <Hilmar> are there any big differences?
[05:59] <willvdl> between edubuntu and skole?
[05:59] <Hilmar> yes
[05:59] <willvdl> I personally haven't used skole but I know the apps involved
[06:00] <willvdl> you looking into thin-clients at all?
[06:00] <Hilmar> my buddy and I have borrowed a class room and 24 computer for the summer... We are going to test different setups for at school
[06:01] <Hilmar> we start in a month since we both have examinations til then...
[06:01] <willvdl> great! We'd love to hear about your experiences.
[06:01] <willvdl> Please send us news on edubuntu-users mailing list :)
[06:02] <Hilmar> I will
[06:02] <willvdl> excellent.
[06:02] <SimonAnibal> Erm, wait, no, Dell has a rotating banner that shows Ubuntu every fifth or so visit, maybe less, and no other indicators that it is offering Ubuntu as an option unless you get that banner and click on it
[06:02] <Hilmar> maybe we'll create a #edubuntu-dk channel
[06:02] <willvdl> SimonAnibal, www.ubuntu.com
[06:03] <willvdl> oh, that's what you're talking about
[06:03] <willvdl> :)
[06:03] <willvdl> the "big" picture
[06:03] <SimonAnibal> willvdl, Precisely.
[06:03] <SimonAnibal> It's not big, it's my entire browser real estate
[06:04] <SimonAnibal> And if Dell's site had at least some consistent acknowledgement that it's offering Ubuntu as an option, I guess I wouldn't feel like this was so one-sided
[06:04] <willvdl> pic is 653 x 360
[06:05] <willvdl> well, it becomes a Canonical support question I guess
[06:05] <SimonAnibal> Well, the point is I hit ubuntu.com, and besides the header, it's the only thing I see
[06:05] <SimonAnibal> And in my experience, people don'
[06:05] <SimonAnibal> t scroll down
[06:06] <ogra-classmate> looks fine on the 800x480 display here
[06:06] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, half of my 19"
[06:08] <SimonAnibal> :-/ the reason I bring it up isn't how it looks. It's pretty and I would have definitely expected Ubuntu to advertise the fact that it's available on Dells now.
[06:08] <SimonAnibal> But I guess the entire "above the fold" on the main page does seem a little extreme
[06:08] <SimonAnibal> Especially when Dell doesn't mention it on their main page unless you happen to get that one random banner
[06:09] <SimonAnibal> I can't see how anyone who went to Dell's site would notice the Ubuntu option unless they either followed an external link directly to it, or they happened to be in the 20% or so of people who actually see that banner when they go there
[06:10] <willvdl> SimonAnibal, it won't be there like that permanently
[06:10] <ogra-classmate> SimonAnibal: well, it pays my loan so i wont complain
[06:10] <willvdl> lol
[06:11] <SimonAnibal> I guess I am the only one who's bothered by the one-sidedness of this relationship
[06:11] <SimonAnibal> Does Dell ship world-wide?
[06:12] <ogra-classmate> only us
[06:12] <ogra-classmate> for now
[06:12] <ogra-classmate> http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/ubuntu?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
[06:13] <ogra-classmate> i dont find it to one sided if you compare the sizes of the companies at least
[06:13] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: I'm here now for a minute
[06:13] <ogra-classmate> LaserJock: so
[06:14] <ogra-classmate> LaserJock: gnuchess was never in main
[06:14] <ogra-classmate> so gcompris never bothered to use it as a build-dep
[06:14] <willvdl> why would gcompris have gnuchess as a dep?
[06:14] <LaserJock> doh, I wondered why it was gnuches ould be in Main
[06:15] <ogra-classmate> now gnome-games provides gnuchess, gcompris finds it but doesnt find any headers (indeed, since the chess shipped in gnome-games isnt gnuchess)
[06:15] <LaserJock> *why gnuchess would be in Main
[06:15] <ogra-classmate> so it fails ....
[06:15] <ogra-classmate> silly silly silly /:
[06:16] <LaserJock> so we should just remove the dep on gnuchess?
[06:16] <ogra-classmate> well, likely even only set a configure option
[06:16] <LaserJock> mhm
[06:16] <ogra-classmate> it doesnt have a fixed build dep on gnuchess
[06:17] <ogra-classmate> (afaik)
[06:21] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: there is a Build-Depends on gnuchess
[06:21] <ogra-classmate> hmm
[06:21] <ogra-classmate> then we need to drop it, i thought there was none
[06:24] <LaserJock> ok, I'll drop the build depend, see if a ./configure flag is needed and get you a debdiff to sponsor this weekend
[06:24] <LaserJock> sound ok?
[06:24] <ogra-classmate> ok
[06:24] <highvolt1ge> weekend, weekend, IT IS THE WEEKEND!
[06:25] <ogra-classmate> good that we didnt do a manual merge btw
[06:25] <ogra-classmate> 100M are way to much to upload
[06:25] <highvolt1ge> ogra-classmate: wow, gnuchess still causing headaches?
[06:25] <ogra-classmate> highvolt1ge: nope, gcompris size rather
[06:26] <ogra-classmate> if it were a 100K package it would already be fixed
[06:27] <ogra-classmate> the fix is trivial, but pushing around 100M, doing testbuilds etc is taking ages
[07:03] <willvdl> Yeeha, got the app review spec done. up for review now
[07:03] <willvdl> it's a bit convoluted, I may just add some realistic scope planning since it's a big project
[07:07] <willvdl> ciao guys. see you all next friday!
[07:12] <moquist> ogra-classmate: is there a good way to tell the kernel *never* to load a certain module?
[07:13] <Rondom> moquist: blacklist
[07:14] <yuriy> hi cbx33
[07:14] <moquist> Rondom: where?
[07:14] <Rondom> moquist: /etc/modprobe.d/yourfilename  with the content blacklist module_name
[07:14] <moquist> Rondom: K; I was guessing that but I wasn't sure. :)
[07:14] <Rondom> moquist: what's your module with problems called?
[07:14] <moquist> last time I looked at modules configuration it was gentoo, and a 2.4 kernel... :p
[07:15] <moquist> pcmcia_core :)
[07:16] <Rondom> echo 'blacklist pcmcia_core'|sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/pcmcia_core
[07:16] <Rondom> the filename doesn't matter
[07:16] <Rondom> it's only for you to keep an overview
[07:43] <moquist> ogra-classmate: I tried blacklisting a bunch of modules and still no progress.
[07:45] <moquist> 
[07:45] <moquist> ...in case you were wondering.
[08:11] <happywithed> Hello everyone
[08:11] <happywithed> I have a beginner question
[08:12] <happywithed> How do I make a folder appear on the desktop of all the LTSP clients?
[08:12] <happywithed> In otherwords, I would like to create a folder where I can place files for all the students to see
[08:12] <happywithed> Any ideas?
[08:20] <Rondom> happywithed: I'm not familiar with the ltsp-stuff, but creating a symlink on the desktop of all users should do the trick (adjust teh permissions if you don't want them to delete the symlink)
[08:28] <happywithed> Rondon: thanks.
[09:17] <Burgundavia> this might be interesting for allow sysadmins to run random crap http://pam-sessionrun.aeruder.net/
[09:19] <ogra-classmate> uh, scary ...
[09:19] <ogra-classmate> but handy :)
[09:20] <Burgundavia> indeed, slightly scary
[09:20] <Burgundavia> but useful for a kiosk setting
[09:25] <LaserJock> bah, latest comment on bug #113719
[09:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113719 in ubiquity "Edubuntu Feisty Desktop CD install doesn't install the education suite" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113719
[09:27] <LaserJock> is it possible to have a 7.04.1 just for Edubuntu?
[09:27] <ogra-classmate> and then ?
[09:27] <LaserJock> well, if we're able to fix the Feisty Desktop CD what would we do?
[09:28] <LaserJock> just replace the current .isos or call it 7.04.1
[09:28] <ogra-classmate> how would you fix it ?
[09:28] <LaserJock> well, I don't know what exactly is wrong
[09:28] <ogra-classmate> note that more than ten lines of change in any code wont be allowed
[09:29] <ogra-classmate> there is nothing wrong it works as intended
[09:29] <LaserJock> ah, it needs to pick up more than the -desktop
[09:29] <LaserJock> right?
[09:29] <ogra-classmate> no
[09:30] <ogra-classmate> ubiquity deliberately uninstalls everything thats not in -minimal -standard and -desktop
[09:30] <LaserJock> right
[09:30] <ogra-classmate> the edu apps are in ship-addon and -live
[09:30] <LaserJock> but ...
[09:30] <LaserJock> you can add packages to the files it uses, I'm pretty sure
[09:30] <ogra-classmate> users are supposed to use the addon cd for the edu apps
[09:31] <LaserJock> well, *I* know what to do
[09:31] <LaserJock> but it's pretty sucky when you install an educational distro and end up with no edu apps
[09:32] <LaserJock> they are there when the person boots the CD
[09:33] <LaserJock> I'm pretty sure we could tweak the manifest files and fix this
[09:33] <LaserJock> but perhaps Colin wouldn't go for that
[09:34] <ogra-classmate> that would break ubiquity essentially
[09:34] <ogra-classmate> its like it is by design
[09:35] <ogra-classmate> i'll sit down with colin during gutsy and we'll work out a fix
[09:35] <LaserJock> well sure, but the "by design" is screwing the Desktop up
[09:35] <ogra-classmate> but for feisty it is like it is
[09:35] <LaserJock> alright
[09:36] <ogra-classmate> we failed in naming the addon cd right
[09:36] <ogra-classmate> thats the main problem here (its called "server"-addon)
[09:36] <LaserJock> it shouldn't be Server Addon is what you're saying?
[09:36] <LaserJock> well, that's true
[09:36] <ogra-classmate> the livecd should have been called demo
[09:37] <ogra-classmate> and probably not have ubiquity
[09:37] <LaserJock> but I think there is a fundamental flaw when the people don't get the same desktop they see on the LiveCD as when it is installed
[09:37] <LaserJock> at least to this radical step
[09:37] <ogra-classmate> yes
[09:37] <LaserJock> what we *should* do for feisty is adjust the download pages
[09:37] <ogra-classmate> but thats a price we had to pay for the spliut
[09:38] <ogra-classmate> the archive, soyuz and germinate as well as ubiquity cant handle it differently atm
[09:38] <LaserJock> an say that the Desktop CD is for demo purposes and that you need the Server Addon CD to get full functionallyity
[09:38] <ogra-classmate> yeah
[09:38] <ogra-classmate> something like that
[09:38] <LaserJock> to me the way a lot of the mirrors have it
[09:39] <LaserJock> the Desktop CD is the first in the list
[09:39] <LaserJock> and the wording indicates it's the one you want unless you are doing an LTSP server
[09:39] <ogra-classmate> yeah, its alphabetically i think
[09:39] <LaserJock> well, the HTML part though
[09:39] <ogra-classmate> which is clearly wrong
[09:39] <LaserJock> we *should* be able to change that
[09:40] <ogra-classmate> the livecd was alsways an unloved child of mine
[09:40] <LaserJock> I'm not sure who's in charge of those
[09:40] <ogra-classmate> colin i think
[09:40] <LaserJock> "The desktop CD allows you to try Edubuntu without changing your computer at all, and at your option to install it permanently later. This type of CD is what most people will want to use. "
[09:41] <LaserJock> ^^ is what we need to change
[09:42] <LaserJock> if we work up new text for that do you think you could get colin to change it?
[09:42] <ogra-classmate> sure
[09:42] <ogra-classmate> but talk with RichEd and will first
[09:43] <LaserJock> I think I might just email edubuntu-devel so they can weigh in
[09:43] <ogra-classmate> they are responsible for docs and marketing stuff
[09:43] <LaserJock> I just think it's a real issue for adoption if we are telling people to use a LiveCD that doesn't give them any edu apps
[09:44] <ogra-classmate> yeah
[09:44] <ogra-classmate> well, gutsy will fix it
[09:46] <LaserJock> I think personally I'm for removing ubiquity from the LiveCD and calling it a Edubuntu Demo CD
[09:47] <LaserJock> until the point where ubiquity can handle multiple CDs or we do a DVD
[09:55] <ogra-classmate> i dont think there is an opportunity to change feisty
[09:55] <ogra-classmate> gutsy will have it solved anyway
[12:14] <pygi> hi folks