[12:19] <jjesse>  evening
[12:29] <mhb> Riddell: with us being stuck with KDE3/Qt4 for two releases, a port of polyester to qt4 sounds sensible
[02:22] <ryanakca> nixternal: well, looks like we're one step closer to the groupware server :)
[03:42] <nixternal> ryanakca: rock on!
[04:04] <nixternal> Dell sucks...they offer Vista, Ubuntu, and FreeDOS, but not Kubuntu@#@ !@##@
[04:06] <ajmitch> aw
[04:06] <ajmitch> but you've got vista, what else do you need?
[04:07] <nixternal> Hobbsee and crimsun!!!!! you see what I have to put up with ^^ :)
[04:08] <nixternal> I am going to buy a system with FreeDOS...cuz it rocks
[04:08] <Hobbsee> nixternal: poor you.
[04:08] <jjesse> why does my dell w/ vista cause less :)
[04:08] <jjesse> cost
[04:08] <Hobbsee> nixternal: make sure you dual boot vista on there, so you can have your pointy-clicky sensation.
[04:09] <nixternal> jjesse: because Ubuntu is better...jeesh ;p
[04:09] <jjesse> actually i priced out a smiliar box from system76 and it was chearper on system76 then dell
[04:09] <nixternal> mey, tty1-6 doesn't have pointy-clicky
[04:09] <nixternal> System76 is the way to go...I seen their little white laptop at school...wow is that thing sweet
[04:09] <ajmitch> nixternal: gpm
[04:10] <nixternal> gpm..wth...KDM!!!
[04:10] <nixternal> haha
[04:10] <nixternal> gallons per mile
[04:10] <nixternal> meter
[08:39] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[09:35] <Tonio_> yo
[09:36] <hunger> Hmmm... kontact has file conflicts with knode.
[09:47] <Tonio_> hunger: on feisty ?
[09:47] <hunger> Tonio_: Nope, gutsy.
[09:47] <Tonio_> hunger: hum, still with the desktop file ?
[09:47] <Tonio_> I already had to fix that several times :)
[09:48] <hunger> Tonio_: I think so, the error message is no longer in my scrollback buffer though.
[09:49] <hunger> Tonio_: Ah, found it: /usr/share/services/kontact/knodeplugin.desktop
[09:50] <Tonio_> hunger: that's a common thing
[09:50] <Tonio_> hunger: are the packages for 3.5.7 released ?
[09:51] <hunger> Tonio_: There are 3.5.7 packages in gutsy. Dunno whether they are officially released or not.
[09:52] <Tonio_> hunger: okay I'll fix kontact then
[09:52] <Tonio_> hunger: give me a moment
[09:53] <Riddell> viviersf: hi
[09:53] <Tonio_> hey Riddell
[09:54] <Tonio_> hunger: I'm just fixing the issue
[09:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I worked on kaffeine yesterday, and I know why it doesn't pass the WMP detection on several websites
[09:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact it needs patching to change its identity depending the mimetype, as kmplayer does
[09:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll fix this before switching to kaffeine by default
[10:02] <LongPointyStick> hi Tonio_, Riddell
[10:10] <MidMark> guys there is some delays in linux kernel to appears in update manager? I got only updates for restricted modules, nvidia driver and linux-libc-dev
[10:10] <MidMark> this also can break things if I install only that packages
[10:10] <Hobbsee> yes....
[10:11] <Hobbsee> MidMark: l-r-m has to be built after the kernel - it always happens taht way
[10:11] <MidMark> not in this case
[10:11] <MidMark> restricted modules are here
[10:12] <MidMark> linux kernel nope
[10:12] <Hobbsee> mirror thing, or what?
[10:13] <MidMark> Hobbsee: kernel comes from security?
[10:14] <Hobbsee> gutsy security isnt open yet.
[10:14] <MidMark> I'm talking about feisty
[10:14] <Hobbsee> er, you need to actually say that, else it's assumed you're running the development release.
[10:15] <Hobbsee> then i have no idea
[10:15] <Riddell> very likely it's not a problem, but the relevant channel is #ubuntu-kernel
[10:15] <Hobbsee> my feisty is borkened.
[10:15] <Riddell> or #ubuntu
[10:15] <Hobbsee> here is *definetly* not relevant
[10:17] <Hobbsee> people are - but the default for development is gutsy...
[10:17] <Jucato> it is a devel channel, you'd expect the people here would be running devel versions most of the time :)
[10:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's your opinion on bulding kde 3.5.7 for dapper?
[10:18] <Hobbsee> it being a LTS and all, and with the improvements in kdepim
[10:18] <Jucato> (no 3.5.6 for Dapper though)
[10:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee: if someone wants to do it, go ahead
[10:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.
[10:19] <Hobbsee> i wonder how many opeople would want it
[10:39] <Tonio_> hunger: strange I can't see where is the conflict for kontact and knode...
[10:39] <Riddell> Hobbsee: probably quite a few
[10:39] <Hobbsee> hmmmm
[10:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey
[10:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: just wrote you :)
[10:40] <Tonio_> hunger: isn't the issue do to the update, I mean if the file isn't in the same package....
[10:41] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato, Hobbsee !
[10:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: just answered ;)
[10:41] <Hobbsee> hiya!
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: and all
[10:41] <Jucato> _StefanS_!!!
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: wrote you again :)
[10:41] <Tonio_> hunger: according to the packaging, there shouldn't be any conflict...
[10:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: answered again :)
[10:41] <_StefanS_> what the.. :)
[10:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: two weeks
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm just merging with knm svn right now, seems to be any easy thing
[10:42] <Hobbsee>  right
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I've got the patch for kubuntu 0.1, if you want to try it out
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ofcourse you would need nm 0.6.5
[10:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nopackages for this right now no ?
[10:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I wasn't thinking about backporting latest NM for feisty :)
[10:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: only the one on the forum, but I have them compiled already if you want to try
[10:44] <Tonio_> no way to upload kaffeine right now........
[10:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I know
[10:44] <Tonio_> I have to ping siretart
[10:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: btw, i suspect you were supposed to CC the TB, at this point, seenig asthe main mail had gone thru.  or you could just come to the meeting.
[10:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it was just easier patching a known package, and the up the stuff to the svn version
[10:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sure
[10:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well I'll probably package knm from scratch when the next tarball is released...
[10:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: changes lots of things to what I know
[10:45] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, probably, should be easy though as it doesn't differ much from the current code
[10:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ah ?
[10:46] <Tonio_> thought it would change lots of things, including vpn suppoer, kwallet integration etc....
[10:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well the only changes seem to be eap two phase, and leap (plus some smaller fixes)
[10:46] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ho you talk about nm, not knm :)
[10:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I talk about knm
[10:47] <Tonio_> hum, this is not what I remember from my latest svn check..... but maybe I'm just confused...
[10:47] <Tonio_> okay let's patch kaffeine offline and wait for latest xine to reach the repos....
[10:48] <_StefanS_> sweet, the first attempt just compiled
[10:51] <Lure> _StefanS_: they have also added vpn support, right?
[10:51] <_StefanS_> Lure: uhm yep, I didn't pay much attention to it, but i think it said it wasn't supported on ubuntu yet
[10:52] <_StefanS_> they changed the kwallet interaction to be async, maybe that solves those periodic failures with knm on login
[11:05] <hunger> _StefanS_: Does knm work for you at all (on gutsy)?
[11:05] <_StefanS_> hunger: havent tried it on gutsy yet
[11:05] <_StefanS_> hunger: I know there's (or was) a bug in networkmanager ( Hobbsee?)
[11:07] <hunger> _StefanS_: It fails to load libnetworkmanager or something similar.
[11:07] <_StefanS_> hunger: I havent tested it, but I guess it is supposed to be bugged since its an alpha release
[11:16] <Lure> hunger: that should be fixed with recent kdepim upload
[11:16] <hunger> Lure: Don't see a newer version of kdepim yet.
[11:17] <Lure> hunger: dpkg -l networkstatus
[11:17] <Lure> hunger: it should be 3.5.7 something
[11:18] <Lure> hunger: it was built 18 hours ago, so it should be also on mirrors... https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/339984
[11:18] <hunger> Lure: Oh, you were refering to that problem, thought you were talking about the kontact/knode conflict.
[11:19] <Lure> hunger: knetworkmanager in gutsy
[11:19] <hunger> Lure: You are right, knetworkmanager starts again!
[11:19] <hunger> Lure: Thanks for the tip.
[11:19] <Lure> hunger: we disabled kitchecnsync temporarily (needs new opensync which is not in main) to allow build of kdepim
[11:20] <hunger> Lure: No problem for me, got nothing to sync anyway:-)
[11:27] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: fixed with a new kdepim upload, yes.
[11:28] <_StefanS_> :D
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you include the kmilo's appearance patch to your gutsy packages ?
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's to be discussed in the next meeting, maybe we should just include the patch and let the people test for feedback
[11:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KMilo+-+Customizable+DefaultSkin?content=56287
[11:34] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: whcih package against?
[11:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: kdeutils
[11:35] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: not sure if it's done for 3.5.
[11:35] <Hobbsee> 7
[11:35] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that why we should test :)
[11:35] <Hobbsee> oh, Riddell must have uploaded it.  i didnt do kdeutils, iirc
[11:35] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: works with 3.5.6, there shouldn't be lots of difference reguarding to kmilo in 357
[11:35] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay
[11:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well I test with the patch and eventually upload if it applies
[11:36] <Tonio_> would be nice to have a cool kubutu little theme for this :)
[11:40] <Hobbsee> this is true
[11:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: I did not but feel free to add
[11:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: will do
[12:10] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: 2.6.20-16 iirc
[12:11] <gnomefreak> or will be in aday or two
[12:28] <siretart> Tonio_: pong
[12:29] <Tonio_> siretart: hey ;)
[12:29] <siretart> huhu :)
[12:29] <Tonio_> siretart: wanted to know the status of xinelib 1.1.5 in gutsy
[12:29] <siretart> how are you doing?
[12:29] <Tonio_> siretart: well very nice :)
[12:30] <Tonio_> I hope you do so :)
[12:30] <siretart> Tonio_: xine-lib 1.1.6 is already in gutsy
[12:31] <siretart> since weeks
[12:31] <Tonio_> siretart: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libxine1&searchon=names&subword=1&version=gutsy&release=all
[12:32] <Tonio_> siretart: are you sure of this ? ;)
[12:33] <Tonio_> siretart: build problem maybe ?
[12:34] <siretart> Tonio_: as I already told you at UDS, the problem is that it is waiting for ffmpeg
[12:35] <Tonio_> siretart: ho, okay I forgot that, right ;)
[12:35] <Tonio_> siretart: let's wait together then :)
[12:35] <siretart> since you need something quick, you could apt-get source the current source (1.1.6-1ubuntu1, which is in gutsy), remove the ffmpeg build dependencies and comment out the '--with-external-ffmpeg' part and reupload
[12:36] <siretart> I'd prefer patches to fix ffmpeg in debian/experimental, though
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you know that pyqt4 seems to be broken again?
[01:27] <Riddell> can't say I do
[01:30] <Hobbsee> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[01:30] <Hobbsee>   apport-qt hwdb-client-kde kubuntu-desktop language-selector-qt python-qt4 software-properties-kde
[01:30] <Hobbsee> The following packages will be upgraded:
[01:30] <Hobbsee>   python-sip4
[01:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: pyqt4 needs the build-deps updated for pysip4.  assuming that doesnt break the universe.
[01:30] <Hobbsee> (same thing as feisty, i expect)
[01:32] <Riddell> debdiffs accepted :)
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: heh.  i dont know python, so have no real way of telling if it works or not
[01:34] <Hobbsee> with just a rebuild
[01:34] <Hobbsee> which is precisely why i havent done anything with it, so far
[01:34] <Riddell> actually pyqt4 needs synced from debian
[01:36] <Hobbsee> even better
[02:18] <allee> Riddell, Hobbsee, Tonio_ etc: starting tomorrow I'll be away for 10 days and I assume without any internet access.  I'll enjoy it ;)
[02:18] <Hobbsee> allee: have fun!
[02:19] <allee> Hobbsee: thx
[02:20] <Lure> allee: nice
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Lure: how'd that MIR filing with opensync go?
[02:24] <Lure> Hobbsee: we should wait at least for 0.22 (or 0.30 to be released soon) first
[02:24] <Riddell> allee: you're down for merges of kipi-plugins and digikam, likely to do them before tomorrow or shall we steal them off you?
[02:24] <Lure> Hobbsee: 0.19 is of not much use
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Lure: right.  the ETA on that was?
[02:25] <Lure> Riddell: not sure if it is workthwhile to merge, but I can do them if needed
[02:25] <allee> Lure: my reason is slightly different.  I'll enjoy it, because my family will not complain.  If they would not complain ..., then my feelings would be different
[02:25] <Riddell> Lure: why not?
[02:25] <Lure> Riddell: 0.9.2 (released in june) will merge dk in dkimageplugins
[02:26] <Lure> oh, but debian already have beta1...
[02:26] <Lure> so it might make sense to do it already...
[02:27] <Lure> allee: ;-) - I still like completely off-line times ;-)
[02:27] <Riddell> allee: oh yes, kdebluetooth dbus, should we upload that?
[02:28] <jjesse> wow large updates today
[02:29] <allee> Riddell: there no release yet only svn
[02:30] <allee> Riddell: dgollub plan to merge to extragear soon.  But there are some ugly bugs (maybe due to me using bluez 3.9 not  3.10.1 or even 3.11/12
[03:10] <allee> Riddell, Tonio_: fwiw: http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/kdebluetooth-dbus-integration_debian.tar.gz  contains the adapted debian dir I use together with an svn checkout.
[03:13] <Tonio_> allee: downloaded, will work on that next week ;)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: krita done, therefore koffice and co should be installable now
[04:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: done in which way?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: um, rebuild as it wasnt installable?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> from -devel, hours ago?
[04:01] <Riddell> ok
[04:01] <Hobbsee> i'm assuming there wasnt more that pitti said
[04:01] <Hobbsee> er, didnt say
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you introduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/116771 with your feisty packages?  i didnt see this in the gutsy ones
[04:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116771 in kdepim "kontact can't be updated due to file conflict with knode" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[06:46] <nixternal> groovy
[07:00] <nixternal> I have never seen anyone dnace b4 ;)
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Well I have dnace +3 :)
[07:24] <Lure> Riddell: is anybody working on python-qt4 (it makes several packages uninstallable)?
[10:55] <_StefanS_> evenings
[11:03] <DaSkreech> Yo
[11:11] <_StefanS_> heyho DaSkreech
[11:15] <DaSkreech> what you heard?
[11:15] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: about what?
[11:16] <DaSkreech> never mind :)
[11:21] <_StefanS_> bah :P
[11:24] <DaSkreech> :-)