=== Demitar [n=demitar@c-212-031-190-120.cust.broadway.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nuu [i=neuro@host15-76.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouchi [n=gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180069182.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === micahcowan [n=micahcow@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === sn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@121.44.219.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj_ [n=robertj@97-81-96-108.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero_ [n=jga@pD9E62AC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl_ [n=phillip@unaffiliated/pkl/x-764568] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=tomb@host86-147-88-201.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=tomb@host86-147-88-201.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=tomb@host86-147-88-201.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomaszD_ [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=calc@cpe-24-162-49-93.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] hello [01:42] hi === TomB_ [n=tomb@host86-147-88-201.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Exit,] === mbiebl [n=michael@e180069182.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@76-10-132-127.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=jack@p508dbcfd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] so a close to standard config dell E1505 is $649 vs $728 but it has a intel 950 vs ati x1400 [03:08] of course for linux intel is better than the ati binary only junk anyway [03:09] too bad it appears the linux stuff is hidden on dell's site like it has been for the past ~ 7-8 years [03:09] or at least i can't find it on their page without knowing the direct url to go to === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.3.18] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j-dizzle [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] hmm actually i was a bit blind its on the main page, but its a temporary main image thing [03:13] so when it goes away it won't be easily accessible anymoe [03:13] er anymore === pkl_ [n=phillip@unaffiliated/pkl/x-764568] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmveloso [n=lmveloso@200.181.157.150] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] ah i found the permanent way to access it for a user by accident [03:15] you have the use the menu bar at the top, if you select laptops from the center of the screen it doesn't mention anything about the freedos/ubuntu hardware === calc gives dell a passing grade though it still isn't as obvious as he would like [03:27] umm, look at dell.com now [03:28] Burgundavia: nothing on frontpage [03:29] jmg: it does also redirect by country [03:29] it is part of a rotating banner [03:29] ubuntu is one of 4 options [03:29] choose 'united states', and I get a big "By Popular Demand. Ubuntu Has Arrived" [03:29] ajmitch: oic [03:29] doesn't redirect for me [03:30] Burgundavia: but that's because canada is part of the US, right? [03:30] bloody aussies [03:30] :) [03:30] :) [03:35] ajmitch: rotates for me in the US also [03:35] but it is accessible if you go to the top menu bar drop downs [03:37] which ones? [03:38] look for "open source" on the desktop and laptop menus at the top [03:38] oh yea you don't see those until you pick an item off the front page first === ajmitch doubts they'll be supplying them in NZ for awhile === calc notes he is in the US [03:40] i'll probably end up getting a gateway from best buy when they are on sale, they seem to be the best bang for the buck right now [03:40] http://www.gateway.com/retail/mt6831.php <- they put that on sale for ~ $900 USD every few weeks it seems [03:40] Heh, heh. Gateway. Gateway tried to come out here about year ago. Within six months they were gone. [03:41] gateway bought a local pc dealer & then disappeared === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:42] hehe [03:42] the E1505N isn't too bad of a deal though === zerbero5 [n=jga@pD9E621D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.145.73] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:01] Hobbsee: hi [04:01] heya calc :) === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-131-30.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === d33p__ is now known as luisbg === j-dizzle [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=jack@p508DBCFD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.41] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.160] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [n=gman@192.18.37.228] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=calc@cpe-24-162-49-93.houston.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j-dizzle [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adamant1988 [n=adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180069182.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.17.8.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bonii [n=boni@unaffiliated/bonii] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F70525.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:35] GOOD MORNING! === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:37] Good morning === amitk [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:00] are uploads being queued? [08:00] crimsun: how do you mean? [08:01] (yes, they always land in a queue until soyuz accepts them, every 5 mins) [08:01] oh, nm, just saw the accept. [08:02] pitti: I didn't think I missed the processor at :55 (.upload's timestamp is :53) === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEFA1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl_ [n=phillip@unaffiliated/pkl/x-764568] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@88.252-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero_2 [n=jga@pD9E63010.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra_ [n=zdra@76.239-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti nags Riddell about bug 64695; by policy it needs to be fixed in gutsy before I accept it into feisty-updates [09:21] pitti, guess that message is not for me ;) [09:22] nags: nope; get a nick which is not an English verb :-P === thekorn [n=thekorn@vpn116.mip.uni-hannover.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@vpn116.mip.uni-hannover.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bonii [n=boni@210.211.148.11] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bonii [n=boni@unaffiliated/bonii] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === bonii [n=boni@unaffiliated/bonii] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.116.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] Launchpad bug 64695 in kdebase "If GDM is the default display manager KDE logout dialog is missing shutdown and restart options" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64695 [09:40] Nice lag, ubotu. === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-132-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] Fujitsu, it is having other problems at the moment, I've called the doctor for ubotu === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-113-187.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nuu [n=neuro@85-18-14-28.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A675F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=mvo@p54a675f2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:15] slomo: yay, Debian bug 425863 solves the amd64 FTBFS of texlive-bin [10:15] Debian bug 425863 in texlive-bin "FTBFS: teckit/libtool yields multiple definition errors" [Serious,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/425863 [10:15] slomo: so I'll see to fixing that .la problem so that it'll finally build for ia64, too [10:16] pitti: I've got a stupid question about scribus if you've got a sec. [10:16] StevenK: "don't ask to ask, just ask" :) [10:16] !ask [10:16] pitti: Bah. :-P === Fujitsu greases the bot. [10:17] pitti: One of the changelog entries you added for scribus was, "Scribus.pot: Add strings from desktop file.", I'm just wondering if you can give me a cluebat? [10:17] StevenK: ah, sure === StevenK waits for "*whack*" :-P [10:18] StevenK: do you know what a .pot is? [10:18] pitti: Sure. I managed to hack gettext support into Linda. === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEFA1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:18] I even have scars from it. [10:18] StevenK: so, since hoary we use langpacks for translating .desktop files [10:19] StevenK: i. e. we add the gettext domain to the *.desktop files and have gettext translate Name/Comment, instead of (or, rather, in addition to) using the static translations in them [10:19] I'm sure StevenK knows what pot is ;-) [10:19] dholbach: Bah. [10:19] StevenK: that's why we need the Name/Comment C strings in the POT, so that Rosetta sees them [10:19] pitti: Sure, I've added the X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain to the .desktop, it's just how to get them from the .desktop into the .pot [10:19] StevenK: sorry; I just wanted to know at which level I start the explanation [10:20] StevenK: that might have been one of the packages which are not intltool'ized, thus I just copied the strings manually, I think [10:20] ideally the build system would take the desktop.in and have it in POTFILES [10:21] so if scribus is intltoolized now, that would be indeed much better [10:21] No POTFILES{,.in}, so I doubt it. [10:21] but if it does not rebuild the .pot during package build, then copying the strings manually works [10:21] I don't think it does, no mention of .pot in debian/rules. [10:22] so that hasn't changed then [10:22] pitti: kdebase and hwdb-client updated in gutsy with patches from -updates [10:22] Riddell: yay, thanks [10:22] Riddell: (I already accepted them in feisty-updates) [10:22] thanks [10:22] pitti: The build system jumped from autobork to cmake, just to make the merge more interesting. [10:23] lol [10:23] And the 2.4Mb patch on patches.u.c was oh so helpful, too. [10:24] pitti: sounds good, thanks :) you might also want to sync the new texlive-bin that was uploaded yesterday [10:24] slomo: right, that's what I meant [10:25] pitti: ah the patch is in the new upload already? [10:25] slomo: but before doing that I need to understand that .la problem and fix it, so that it won't FTBFS on ia64 again [10:25] slomo: yep === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] cool :) === mbiebl [n=michael@e180069178.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] pitti: So, copy over {Name,Comment,GenericName} ? [10:25] Mithrandir: could you give back some packages where the build-deps didn't want to install at the time? kdelibs, kdegames (ia64), kdeartwork (ia64), kdeutils (ia64), kdeaddons (ia64) and kdegraphics [10:25] StevenK: yes [10:26] Riddell: Do you mind if I borrow^Wsteal your kaffeine merge? [10:26] pitti: thanks for caring for this :) [10:26] StevenK: ask tonio about that, he's the kaffeine fanboy [10:26] pitti: Thanks so much for your help. :-) [10:26] Tonio_: Mind if I look at the kaffeine merge? [10:26] seb128: alright, so libcairo.la is mentioned in libgnomecanvas-2.la, libnotify.la, libpangocairo-1.0.la, libgmodule-2.0.la, and libpoppler.la [10:27] StevenK: you're welcome, thanks [10:27] seb128: that means we need to rebuild all those source packages before texlive-bin can build? [10:27] pitti: why? [10:27] pitti: what is the bug? [10:27] seb128: still the 'libcairo.la' FTBFS of texlive-bin on ia64 [10:27] StevenK: I'm pretty sure he's already working on it, but do go ahead with any other kde package [10:27] pitti: one of those -dev should Depends on libcairo-dev and doesn't [10:28] seb128: ah, I see [10:28] pitti: if you mention libcairo.la you have to use the corresponding Depends [10:28] seb128: libgnomecanvas2-dev, for example [10:28] Riddell: Sure, I'll look at one once I've taken my dirty mitts off of scribus. [10:29] pitti: right [10:29] pitti: should we clean the .la rather than adding extra Depends? [10:29] StevenK: not at all, but I have to test a patch first [10:29] seb128: neither does libnotify-dev [10:29] Tonio_: Would you rather I left it? [10:29] seb128: I think I should rather ask you this question [10:29] StevenK: well the point is that I already have the package done here :) [10:30] pitti: yeah, I'm all for cleaning the .la [10:30] Tonio_: Ah, yeah, well. [10:30] pitti: I'm taking care of it now [10:30] StevenK: I'm just waiting a bit for upload [10:30] Tonio_: Okay, what about exiv2? [10:30] seb128: I would just like to have a working texlive on ia64, since it causes a whole lot of pacakges to ftbfs [10:30] pitti: easier way is to upload texlive with a Build-Depends on libcairo-dev [10:31] seb128: hm, that would mean reintroducing ubuntu delta [10:31] pitti: wait [10:31] StevenK: nothing about that, you can work on the package if you want :) [10:32] and texlive doesn't need cairo, so that doesn't sound justified; it only needs libpoppler === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=mvo@p54A675F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] seb128: ^ so since libpoppler.la mentions libcairo.la, but libpoppler-dev doesn't depend on libcairo-dev, should I upload a new popopler with the -dev dependency in the meantime? [10:33] pitti: yes, do that and then give a retry to texlive [10:33] seb128: that would sound more appropriate to me === agoliveira [n=adilson@201.47.49.152.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] right, I was just looking at the build log to see where to add the missing depends [10:34] seb128: right; I'll just sync the new version from Debian afterwards which also cares about the amd64 ftbfs [10:34] seb128: thanks [10:34] libpoppler-dev seems to be correct === pitti hugs seb128 === seb128 hugs pitti === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] seb128: hm, while I'm at it, shall I just merge poppler? [10:34] Tonio_: Great, thanks. [10:35] pitti: yeah [10:35] dholbach: stealing poppler merge from you [10:35] pitti: we had a discussion with dholbach some days ago [10:35] that libpoppler depends on cairo is a bug, that's what libpoppler-glib is for [10:35] pitti: Debian renamed the libs [10:35] pitti: fine with me [10:35] Riddell: it's not a real Depends, that's .la being annoying [10:36] Riddell: it's just meant to be a temporary fix until all the .la files disappear, AFAIUI [10:36] ok, that makes me happy :) [10:36] Riddell: and the Depends will be added to the -dev which should not make a difference for kubuntu CD, etc [10:37] yep === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] -Package: libpoppler-glib1 [10:39] +Package: libpoppler1-glib [10:39] erk [10:39] -Package: libpoppler-qt1 [10:39] +Package: libpoppler1-qt [10:39] -Package: libpoppler-qt4-1 [10:39] +Package: libpoppler1-qt4 [10:40] seb128: so it's these three we need to do transitions for [10:40] right [10:40] the rdepends are small though [10:40] yep, and it even seems we can sync poppler [10:40] cool [10:41] Debian doesn't install the .la file any more [10:41] so let's do it correctly right from the start [10:41] excellent [10:42] only thing I wonder about is 003_glib_pkgconfig_fix.patch [10:42] ah, that's in Debian, too, just different patch name [10:42] seb128, pitti: Do you think is 'safe' to update to Gutsy today? [10:43] carlos: it works for me at least [10:43] ok [10:43] that's enough [10:43] I upgrade every day [10:43] :-) [10:43] carlos: should be fine [10:43] thansk [10:44] siretart: ping ? [10:44] pitti: btw, next week we should be able to start exporting Gutsy language packs from Launchpad. Do you need to do anything special to handle that? [10:45] Riddell: are you fine with the poppler library transition happening now? (lib package name changes) [10:45] carlos: yay! [10:45] carlos: no, just tell me, then I'll set up the cronjobs accordingly [10:45] ok [10:45] pitti: no time like the present, what's the name change? [10:46] Riddell: (rebuilds of krita, kdegraphics, and okular) [10:46] Riddell: libpoppler1-qt -> libpoppler-qt1, libpoppler1-qt4 -> libpoppler-qt4-1 [10:46] fine with me [10:46] Riddell: I can care for that as well, I just want to tell you to avoid conflicts with your work [10:47] Riddell: should be no-change rebuilds, unless you want to update any of those three ATM anyway [10:47] pitti: however it seems that kdegraphics needs an svn version of poppler to be able to still use poppler [10:48] Riddell: not sure; when I sync the Debian package it would be more or less like the current gutsy one, except for the lib name change === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] Riddell: i. e. if it's broken after that rebuild, it's probably broken now already === nuu [n=neuro@85-18-14-28.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira [n=adilson@201.47.49.152.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero3 [n=jga@pd9e63ac0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:50] Riddell: anyway, I won't clean up archive cruft in the next few days, so we have some time for the transition [10:59] Riddell: oh, there's a kdebase upload in accepted; too bad that it'll miss the poppler upload :/ [11:00] pitti: kdebase doesn't use poppler [11:01] erm, right; sorry [11:05] seb128, dholbach, so whats that about gnuchess being replaced by gnome-games ? what do i have to do to build apps that build-depend on gnuchess (like gcompris http://librarian.launchpad.net/7824279/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.gcompris_8.3.1-3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz) ? [11:06] ogra: keep using gnuchess [11:07] ogra: that's not because gnome-games ship it that you can't use the standalone version [11:07] hmm [11:07] i just realized, there was never a gnuchess in main, so it never was build depended on it [11:07] now gnome-gam,es provides it === glatzor [n=sebi@p57aeee27.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A675F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra curses about gcompris new size ... 100M for a source package is simply to much [11:19] mdz: can you make ubuntu-dev a member of motu please? else I can't offer mentoring for ~motu (this mail would go to universe-bugs@ and not to all ubuntu-dev members) === dholbach is not a member of ~motu :-/ === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:20] and best to make ~motu-council an administrator of ~motu, so we can do polls and stuff [11:20] ogra: Compare that to linux-restricted-modules. :-P [11:21] dholbach: does launchpad allow a A to be a member of B when B is also a member of A? [11:22] dholbach: I think we should describe your problems on launchpad@ and discuss the best way to fix them, rather than trying some hacks [11:22] the bugmail thing in particular is already a hack that we've said should work differently [11:22] Personally, I dislike having two groups. [11:22] StevenK: me too [11:23] glatzor: why did you reassign bug 116751 to compiz? [11:23] Launchpad bug 116751 in beryl-core "Upgrades of Edgy systems that used the former Beryl packages fail" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116751 [11:25] ah, i see, the compiz-quinn packages might be to blame [11:26] otherwise to get compiz on edgy they'd have to be using a 3rd party repo === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:27] ogra: That's why you have two CDs these days. === shiyee [n=Shiyee@homer.cs.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HlTMAN [n=silence@unaffiliated/hltman] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] that log really sucks, i wish it's just show the output of apt-get dist-upgrade :P === mvo does the uucp merge [11:28] Fujitsu, well, this release would have been the first one since edubuntu exists where we managed to get a proper package from debian which we could just sync === Hobbsee_ waves [11:28] RUN! === LongPointyStick attacks Fujitsu [11:29] It's the attack of the clones. === Fujitsu runs faster, but is still attacked. === LongPointyStick attacks Fujitsu, and leaves him brutally murdered in the corner of #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee sharpens LongPointyStick [11:30] Amaranth: seb128 asked me already some minutes ago. [11:30] Amaranth: He wanted to reassign it to beryl [11:30] I did [11:30] ick, beryl. === ogra hands Hobbsee a mop and a bucket and points to the corner === mvo does tftp-hpa === Hobbsee delegates it to seb128. [11:31] heh [11:31] no way === LongPointyStick points in the direction of seb128... [11:32] Dude, run === LongPointyStick ponders where seb128 should be poked. === seb128 hides === ogra looks for another bucket === Fujitsu becomes undead and consumes LongPointyStick. === LongPointyStick searches seb128 out, and murders him brutally, and covers him in the dead Fujitsu [11:33] Aw... :( [11:33] Fujitsus must stay ead. [11:33] er, dead. [11:33] LongPointyStick: stop killing people! [11:33] why? [11:33] We are violent tonight, aren't we? [11:33] LongPointyStick: We have few enough human resources as it is. === LongPointyStick abducts Simira, adn brings her to australia. [11:33] Ooooooh, nasty. [11:34] see, not killing people. [11:34] not everyone, anyway. === Fujitsu 's soul departs to haunt #ubuntu-motu forever, away from the terror that is LongPointyStick. [11:35] Mithrandir: libhildon1-0-dbg_1.0.5-1ubuntu5_i386.deb is empty; to fix that, maybe you can remove it altogether? We don't need -dbg packages after all [11:36] whelp.. good to see the CoC as effective as usual in here : [11:36] Nowhere is safe! [11:36] Mithrandir: and while you are at it, could you please rename libhildon1-0 to libhildon-1-0 to match the soname? [11:38] -1-0 is ugly === Hobbsee glances at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/116789 [11:38] Launchpad bug 116789 in Ubuntu "ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com mailing list is not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [11:38] seb128: I blame upstream. [11:39] why do they need to version the name in the first place? [11:39] looks suspiciously pebkac - but it's an interesting thing to report in a place that's bugs in ubuntu [11:39] pitti: I'm not sure I want to drop -dbg, since I'd like to avoid diverging too much from upstream [11:40] Mithrandir: fine for me, but the package should not be empty [11:40] Keybuk: I take bpalogin if you don't mind (from the merges list) [11:40] pitti: that I can agree with. :-) [11:40] Mithrandir: if you want to keep the name, I'll accept them; if you want to match the soname (prefered IMHO), I'll reject the current binaries [11:41] I'll see if I can get upstream to change the soname, and if not, I'll change the package name. [11:42] Mithrandir: alright, thanks === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.5.163.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:48] Riddell: I took your xdg-utils merge === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:49] mvo: sure === mvo takes toshset and dwells in some fond memories for that package === zerbero_2 [n=jga@pD9E61E33.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:50] mvo: thanks === Hobbsee_ waits for the ghost to kick in... [11:52] there we go. === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-172.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] Hobbsee: /ns ghost Hobbsee [11:54] pitti: i use it so often that nwo i just use /ghost [11:54] :) === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] Amaranth: ping? [12:10] Keybuk: pong [12:10] Amaranth: curious about the new compiz "git" version [12:10] is this still a pre-beryl-merge thing? [12:10] compiz isn't merging :) [12:10] the 'merge' is compiz-extra and beryl [12:11] Mithrandir: could you give back kdeedu, it should be buildable now [12:11] since the compiz-extra guys had like 3 original plugins and all the beryl plugins ported to compiz [12:11] right, but that merge depends on some compiz things in git, no? [12:11] it does [12:11] is that in this git package? [12:11] this should have what they need, yes [12:12] when do we expect compiz-extra to contain the beryl guys stuff? [12:12] Riddell: given-back [12:13] thanks [12:14] I am using Acer Aspire 1641 NWLMI laptop with Feisty. It has got acerhk module loaded but though the wireless hardware switch works for on and off its led doesnt glow. Can someone help me out. I was pointed to this channel from #ubuntu [12:15] Keybuk: compiz-extra can probably be removed from the archive at this point [12:15] Keybuk: afaik there are no plans to maintain a 'compiz-extra' tarball any longer [12:16] ok [12:16] Amaranth: is the current compiz-extra compatible with the new compiz or should I remove it now? [12:16] so how do I get the beryl plugins for compiz? [12:17] seb128: it's not [12:18] mdz: I'm just trying to solve the universe-bugs@ thing differently. You seem to be ubuntu-bugs@ admin - is lists.u.c just slow or do you have to approve every subscriber to the list manually? [12:18] seb128: my compiz-core package has a Breaks in there for it [12:18] dholbach: that list is open subscription [12:18] dholbach: I have no idea if any part of the process is slow [12:19] mdz: don't worry - I'll try to be patient and wait then :) [12:19] Amaranth: will you update compiz-extra with the new plugins or get a new package? [12:19] bonii: please join #ubuntu and ask your question. [12:19] seb128: new set of packages from the beryl guys [12:20] k, I'll remove compiz-extra then === antonym55 [n=antony@121.35.156.46] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] Yay! Good to see that bug source disappear for now. [12:20] hehe [12:20] gnomefreak: That is what I had done but there someone pointed me here saying it might be a module problem and the developers may help me out [12:20] not in the last 4 hours [12:21] Amaranth: when do we expect the new set of packages? [12:21] bonii: they shouldnt have sent you here for support anyway [12:22] Keybuk: i dunno, whenever they do a release [12:22] or at least have a working build system [12:23] I'll talk to Robert later and find out, I guess :) [12:24] Amaranth: compiz-extra removed [12:25] i don't really want to package 0.0.0+git20070525 so i'm hoping they do a release soon :) [12:26] any particular reason? [12:26] I'm fine packaging git ;) [12:27] s/fine/ok [12:27] if that's usuable [12:27] Anyone have the 2.6.15-28.53 linux-image[s] still around? I can't seem to find them anywhere in the archive[s] , is there some special archive somewhere perhaps? [12:27] maswan: launchpad library [12:27] well, they don't even have a working build system yet so that's not much of a concern right now [12:27] but mostly just because i don't know what to name the packages :) [12:27] launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/2.6.15-28.53, probably. [12:28] i know i'm not calling them compcomm-plugins-foo [12:28] compcomm? [12:28] thanks, awesome. hopefully we can go back to something that works for the time being then [12:28] compiz-beryl-plugins? [12:28] Except for the .22 being wrong. [12:28] Keybuk: that's the temporary name [12:28] it's not beryl anymore either :) [12:29] i was thinking renaming compiz-plugins to compiz-plugins-core and calling the compcomm stuff compiz-plugins-foo [12:29] supposedly eventually non-essential plugins will move from compiz to the compcomm guys so the name will eventually make sense :) [12:35] *nods* [12:35] I'd still rather we had some package, with a temporary name, containing some plugins sooner [12:35] and sorted out issues like the name later [12:35] since that way we're spending more of the release cycle testing, debugging and fixing problems [12:35] and less waiting on a plugin drop [12:35] Fujitsu: well, that was quite easy to guess when I got a 404. :) Found it, hopefully we'll have a kernel again that doesn't fall over every 5 minutes. === lmveloso [n=lmveloso@200.181.157.150] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-3-73.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] maswan: bug #? === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] cjwatson: Working on it [12:40] Keybuk: as soon as they have a working build system and such i'll make packages === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] Amaranth: I'm getting white boxes where there should be drop-shadows [12:42] any ideas? === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@203.89.166.123] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] heh, seems like only nvidia doesn't get that now [12:42] i have no idea what's wrong, the hacky fix we had in feisty is still there === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] cjwatson: It happened to be a resonably important production system, so workaround first, bug reports later. :) [12:50] cjwatson: Now I'm just waiting for launchpad to unbreak, and I'll get you a bug #. :) [12:54] Keybuk: should we use the milestone for gutsy bugs rather than abusing critical? [12:55] seb128: I'd love to, except that the gutsy milestone was removed for some reason [12:55] seb128: we probably should create gutsy tasks [12:55] pitti: get a driver adding it back? ;) [12:55] no we shouldn't [12:56] tasks are for backport === pitti agrees [12:56] pitti: I think we had no gutsy milestone [12:56] we just need to get one created === madduck_ [n=madduck@clegg.madduck.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] seb128: we did have one, it was renamed 'obsolete' and then removed === mvo [n=mvo@p54A675F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] pitti: hum, weird, what happened to bugs using it? [12:58] seb128: we've been told we can't use it for this [12:58] !? [12:58] so bug importance will have to do for now [12:58] heh [12:58] how come we can use milestone? [12:58] s/can/can't === mvo wondered that too [12:59] I'll have to use a note on my desktop to keep track of bugs now? that's plainly stupid .... [12:59] seb128: it's progress - means you cant have unlimited bugs to keep progress of. [12:59] the purpose of milestones is different from the purpose of tasks, at least in my interpretation [12:59] tasks -> version tracking; milestones -> release management [01:00] tasks are for backport === Keybuk doesn't know [01:00] it's confused the buggery out of me :p [01:00] there is not point to use a gutsy task since bugs apply to gutsy by default [01:00] seb128: well, 'version tracking' for bugs we want to backport, yes [01:00] we weren't using it the way the Malone people thought we should be, or something [01:00] Keybuk: who decided the change? can we discuss that somewhere? [01:01] well, the normal way would be to provide us an another way before removing the one we are using [01:01] *shrug* indeed [01:01] I really don't know the full story though === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] Keybuk: who knows? [01:01] the summary I have is "use Importance for now" [01:01] I don't want to use importance [01:01] pitti knows more than I? [01:01] I've plenty of polish bugs I want to look at for gutsy === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] I'll no mark hundred of bugs critical just to keep them on my list === mvo (ab)uses "later" for this currently, but he really wants a 7.10 milestone [01:02] A tag might work, if you just want a list of bugs, but that is probably a different type of Malone abuse. [01:02] persia: it would be even worse, since less structure [01:02] and anybody can abuse from tags [01:03] where milestone has access control [01:03] the access control for milestone is ubuntu-drivers, no? [01:03] no [01:03] the problem with the milestone is it's what the release manager uses [01:03] it was broader, not sure how broad; ubuntu-qa maybe? [01:03] I think it's ubuntu-core-dev [01:03] might be qa [01:03] so if anyone can post to the milestone, then the release manager suddenly has 1,000 "must be fixed for release" bugs [01:03] all I know is 'it worked for me' [01:04] Keybuk: let's as Mithrandir, but I don't think that happened so far [01:04] Keybuk: well, it used to be that only trusted people could set it [01:04] to the contrary, we were often encouraged to milestone bugs === pitti apologizes to Keybuk for complaining to him; wrong target [01:04] the "must be fixed" is important bugs milestoned [01:05] seb128: we defined that really late in the cycle as a hack around the problem that anyone could target to a milestone [01:05] I've plenty of low importance bugs milestone as my "todo for next stable" [01:05] Keybuk: I don't think it was an open setting, it has always been restricted [01:05] maybe to ubuntu-qa which is too much [01:05] Keybuk: while it has been abused slightly in the past for non-rc items, it's always been my position that I'd much rather have too many bugs nominated and have them turned down than miss important bugs. [01:05] but it was not open [01:06] Mithrandir: do you know where the ubuntu-7.10 milestone went, ooi? [01:06] we ended up defining critical + high + milestone as RC, where critical + milestone is "will hold up", high + milestone as "fix or document workaround". === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] Keybuk: no, I thought I added one, but I can't have, or launchpad have turned forgetful. I can't see the knob I've used to add them in the past, so I wonder if that's linked to -drivers. [01:07] Mithrandir: I'm 100% sure that there had been an ubuntu-7.10 milestone in the past [01:07] then LP ate it [01:07] since I added it to a few bugs, and now they have a tag 'ubuntu-obsolete-milestone' [01:07] I've asked on #launchpad [01:08] even more so since I haven't been able to find a way to remove milestones in the past. [01:08] the interesting thing in this period is defining release criticalness on a per-feature basis [01:08] Critical Milestoned bugs on a package before FF should mean that if the bug isn't fixed, the feature is dropped [01:08] Mithrandir: then someone needs to feed launchpad more often! === eggauah [n=daniel@201.72.62.244] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] Keybuk: maybe not as categorically, but as a rule of thumb, yes. We expect new features to have bugs, even serious ones. === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] right, I'm trying to define a way to make certain bugs highly visible [01:10] the metacity->compiz migration bugs, specifically [01:10] high importance, ubuntu-7.10 milestone [01:10]