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[01:14] hmm [01:14] we don't have strict maintainers (although we often have one or two people/groups that care for certain packages primarily) [01:14] if there's a bug, it's best filed on launchpad [01:14] or if you want to work on it, put a patch up there [01:15] not a bug, I wanna make a package for lighttpd1.5 beta [01:15] I need documentation [01:15] or if anyone care to assist me trough making one, I would appreciate that [01:15] for getting started on packaging? Use the Debian New Maintainer's Guide and the Ubuntu Packaging Guide. [01:16] Studying the existing lighttpd source package is a secondary starting place. [01:16] morphir: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html [01:16] found it :) thanks [01:18] crimson, I already did that. And I'am curious how the init.d was created [01:19] likely it was based on a template, then LSBised. === morphir nods === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TomaszD_ [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pricechild [n=pricechi@unix0.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === concept10 [n=concept1@ppp-70-247-163-181.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@h-67-102-70-2.snfccasy.covad.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Ubuntu-motu === javierder_ [n=javier@41-108-235-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] crimsun: Are you still working on bug 50393? I'm tempted to reject, but smart card failures might be considered a security vulnerability (in which case it needs help in Dapper). [03:00] Launchpad bug 50393 in openct "[dapper-updates candidate] Missing /var/run/openct directory after (re)boot aborts initscript execution" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50393 [03:01] persia: what's the grounds for rejection? [03:02] ajmitch: It's not a software security issue, and it was fixed in edgy. Depending on one's thoughts on smartcards, it may not meet the criteria for a Stable Release Update. [03:03] I'm of the opinion that there's an easy fix supplied & tested, and that it's a good thing to fix these bugs [03:04] ajmitch: OK. Still needs someone to steer the SRU process. I can't test, lacking the relevant hardware. [03:04] it's been nearly a year [03:05] neither do I, mine is a fairly basic laptop === persia dreams of a dedicated hardware testing team with every possible piece of hardware and sufficient available time to test everything on request. [03:06] asac, why is lightning a higher priority then sunbird? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.3.18] has joined #ubuntu-motu === j-dizzle [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === javierder_ is now known as javierder [03:21] heh, i almost forgot about that pygmy bug. i'll cook up a debdiff [03:25] welshbyte: That would be great. Thanks. [03:31] persia: done. should i subscribe u-u-s again or are you on the case? :) === crdlb [n=crdlb@pool-72-82-101-127.nrflva.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:34] welshbyte: I recommending subscribing U-U-S again. I'll get bugmail and look at it when it rises to the top of the queue, but someone else might be faster :) [03:34] will do === welshbyte goes to get some sleep, g'night folks === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:41] persia: If you're busy, I'll have a look. === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:43] TheMuso: I'm just processing mentee sponsorships right not. Thanks. [03:43] s/not/now/ [03:43] persia: np. [03:44] Not that there is actually anything that needs doing.. === TheMuso was looking a little earlier. [03:44] TheMuso: for pygmy? or for UUS? [03:44] persia: uus === persia sees 63 bugs outstanding :) [03:47] once you're finished with those, the next challenge is to search for all bugs in universe with a patch attached [03:48] many of those do not have u-u-s subscribed [03:48] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_contact=&field.component=4&field.component=3&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.status_upstream=&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_du [03:48] yay for LP urls === ajmitch sees a number of duplicate bug tasks [03:52] ajmitch: Actually, would you mind tagging all those "patch"? One of my mentees is working on packaging, and is using the "patch" tag to prepare debdiffs for things. Thanks. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:53] persia: that will take awhile :) [03:53] maybe Hobbsee could do some? [03:53] ajmitch: Thanks Hobbsee :) === ajmitch delegates [03:54] Heya Hobbsee [03:55] what's this? [03:55] hi ajmitch, persia, TheMuso [03:56] Hobbsee: bugs with patches attached, tagging them with 'patch' [03:56] is chkconfig being replaced with anything? [03:56] something that would best be automated with bughelper if possible [03:57] ahh [03:57] morphir: you mean the system of update-rc.d/invoke-rc.d ? [03:57] ajmitch: Actually that's true. Us telling each other to do it doesn't help so much. === persia files bug against bughelper [03:57] ajmitch, I prbly do, don't I === morphir scratches head [03:58] not sure of the value of tagging them with 'patch' when it's simple to search for bugs with patches attached [03:58] tbh, i dont know why you....damn you, ajmitch [03:58] Hobbsee: hm? [03:58] you beat me to what i was going to say. [03:58] heh [03:58] that's why I pasted a long url just before you came in [03:58] the list of bugs with patches === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.145.73] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:58] of course it repeats a lot === persia thinks https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=patch is a nice short URL for pasting. === ajmitch should lart jdong [03:59] there's plenty of xserver-xgl stuff that he promised to care for :) [03:59] yep [03:59] isn't xgl dead? [03:59] sadly no === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:00] where do I sign up to kill it? [04:01] ATI (now AMD) === ajmitch should sort his LP bug mail better [04:03] sort it via /dev/null [04:03] split out stuff I receive from the firehose (ubuntu-bugs) === persia goes to visit a client === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:08] VISTA LOVE! [04:08] oops, did I say that out loud === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:34] no, you said it on irc === j-dizzle [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === suppressingfire [n=burner@cpe-24-24-95-18.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === suppressingfire [n=burner@cpe-24-24-95-18.stny.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.41] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:02] persia: I'll look at it in an hour. [05:02] d'oh [05:08] crimsun: do you have any idea what Ubuntu's position on -nonfree doc packages from Debian? [05:09] LaserJock: I haven't heard anything different to Debian WRT policy, but I'm not a core -doc member. [05:10] afaic, we don't consider that stuff nonfree [05:10] hmm [05:11] I don't know of any documentation of that [05:11] chat with Keybuk [05:11] I've got lots of -nonfree doc related stuff in TeX [05:11] some of it is invariant FDL [05:16] ugh [05:16] poor you [05:19] Good evening all. [05:19] hi ScottK [05:19] Hello Hobbsee. [05:21] hello [05:22] hi ajmitch [05:22] causing trouble again, are you? [05:22] yep! [05:22] it's what I do best === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === man-di [n=mkoch@dynadsl-080-228-200-079.ewetel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SlimG [n=robert@84.205.58.245] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:40] Should all the results from "ldd " be added to "Depends:" in DEBIAN/control ? [05:40] god no. [05:41] why? [05:41] because dpkg-shlibdeps does that automatically when you do things properly [05:41] done properly, it should be the _minimal_ set of runtime dependencies. Package X will depend on Y, and if you include both packages X & Y in the Depends: field, it's redundant. === j-dizzle [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:45] well, my first Main sync ended with FTBFS on all archs [05:45] don't I rock ;-) [05:45] Does it make any difference that I'm creating a binary package? (closed-source), how can I know what dependencies to add/not add from ldd ? [05:46] Doesn't the binary require all the libs listed by ldd to work? [05:46] LaserJock: don't worry, I've screwed up worse than that [05:47] well, I don't think it was me, at least === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:47] LaserJock: in this case, it was all me [05:47] does anyone know the command to create a Debian (sid) pbuilder enviroment in Ubuntu? I can't seem to get it working :( [05:47] the package built fine in my pbuilder and StevenK's amd64 pbuilder === ajmitch has to spend a weekend on ubuntu & debian, I think [05:48] LaserJock: oh, one of those [05:48] but it puked on the buildds [05:48] got a build log? === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:49] http://librarian.launchpad.net/7824279/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.gcompris_8.3.1-3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch looks [05:51] that's the one with the large tarball, right? :) [05:51] couldn't find gnuchess? interesting === ajmitch will grab on imbrandon's box if possible === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:55] gnuchess is now part of gnome-games [05:55] and it build-deps on gnome-games? [05:56] sounds ugly [05:56] it build deps on gnuchess === ajmitch is trying to fetch source [05:56] so why are you surprised that it breaks? [05:56] good luck, it's 100MB [05:56] ] 23,624,832 126.96K/s ETA 07:10 [05:56] another few minutes [05:56] because pbuilder and the buildds pick up gnome-games [05:56] grabbing with wget === ajmitch wouldn't be surprised if it's environment related [05:58] the buildd gives this when looking for gnuchess: [05:58] Note, selecting gnome-games instead of gnuchess [05:59] I know [06:01] crimsun: so I should ldd , ignore the one's that's installed out-of-box in ex. feisty and add the rest to "Depends:" in DEBIAN/control ? I don't quite understand your answer, I'm not going to add the current application to it's own "Depends:" [06:02] SlimG: I recommend you take a look at what dpkg-shlibdeps(1) does, as ajmitch referred to it. [06:03] crimsun: ok [06:10] LaserJock: I'm sure that configure.in is wrong [06:11] AC_PATH_PROG(GNUCHESS, gnuchess,no,[/usr/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/bin:$PATH] ) [06:11] but my autotools knowledge is lacking [06:11] I have gnome-games and no gnuchess here. [06:12] quite right, I don't either [06:12] perhaps only debian moved gnuchess into gnome-games? :) [06:13] It's possible. === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:16] StevenK: but why did it work for you and me? [06:17] That's a damn good question. === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:20] ajmitch: does dpkg-shlibdeps find all the dependencies in , and discards the one's that is installed by default in ex. feisty ? just curious on how it works, I've managed to get dpkg-shlibdeps to work just fine. [06:33] ajmitch: /d:MONONATIVE did the trick :) === apacheLAGger [n=me@N864P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:06] Gotta love renovations. === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:24] ... moins all === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F70525.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:35] GOOD MORNING! [07:37] morning dholbach! [07:37] hey lionel === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-185-45.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:42] moins dholbach [07:42] heya imbrandon [07:42] hey jussi01 [07:43] good morning dholbach [08:02] in a good mood today dholbach? [08:02] Hello motu's. I have just noticed a small problem with my package, that I dont know how to fix. I have a menu file, and it seems to be ok, but when i install the deb, nothing appears in the menu. I havent restarted x, but that shouldnt be necessary? anyone got an idea about this? [08:03] elkbuntu: YES :) [08:04] dholbach: I assume you got my email? :D [08:04] jussi01: do you call dh_installmenu in debian/rules? === elkbuntu larts dholbach's caps lock key === Fujitsu wonders why on earth he got a maxima bug report emailed directly to him. [08:04] dholbach: Im using cdbs [08:04] jussi01: menu, or .desktop? [08:04] menu [08:04] jussi01: yes, I'm working my way through my inbox steadily [08:04] dholbach: :D [08:04] jussi01: does sudo update-menus fix it? [08:05] dholbach: that gives me command not found. Does it make a difference if im on kde? [08:06] do you have the 'menu' package installed? [08:06] if your on kde kicker has to be restarted [08:06] sudo killall kicker && kicker & [08:06] if you don't have 'menu', then you have no debian menus, which is where a .menu file entry should turn up [08:06] kde doesnt use menu [08:06] aha? [08:07] what does it use for the debian menu thing then? [08:07] it dosent [08:07] how do you get .menu entries in kde then? [08:07] they dont show by default [08:07] you dont , you use the .desktop [08:07] heh [08:07] and there's no way to get them? [08:08] well you can install menu, but it will dupe all menu entries then [08:08] in the kmenu [08:08] ok, so 'menu' gets you the Debian menu entries [08:08] ok, methinks i need a .desktop [08:08] ? [08:08] jussi01: using dh_installmenu will generate bits in the postinst which calls update-menus (if it's there) [08:08] but yeah, better to have a .desktop [08:09] dholbach: does cdbs not already call that dh_ command? [08:09] yes it does [08:09] I just wanted to point out what the command does [08:09] ok, well since the program is in the section kde, i think maybe I should actually put a .desktop [08:09] dholbach: thanks [08:09] :D [08:10] righto === jussi01 doesnt know how to make a .desktop hmmm, someone got the syntax somewhere? [08:10] good luck with that :) [08:10] look in /usr/share/applications :) [08:11] heh [08:11] thanks [08:11] bah, may as well do this security fix and forego sleep. [08:11] heya crimsun === dholbach hugs crimsun [08:12] crimsun: better take a nap, no? [08:12] I know I said I'd make the meeting 5 hours from now, but since I've had 7 hours of sleep in the past 75 hours I don't think there's much chance that I'll be in a non-horizontal position at 1100 UTC. [08:12] crimsun, shawarma: go to sleep! :-) [08:12] shawarma: to make it at 1200 UTC? Ok, sleep well. [08:12] lol [08:13] crimsun: It's 1100UTC, no? [08:13] the meeting's at 1200 UTC. [08:13] if it were 1100, I wouldn't have even contemplated sleep [08:13] Ah. I've got to hand in a paper by 10 UTC, so I won't be sleeping until then. [08:15] shawarma: good luck with all that [08:15] dholbach: Thanks. It's going to be good to get this over with. :) [08:16] I think I know what you mean :-) [08:17] Yes, I have some more interesting business to attend to. :) Oh, well, better get back to the books. === shawarma staggers off again === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:31] 523 scribus_1.3.3.9.dfsg-1ubuntu1_source.changes [08:32] Mmmm, yummy. [08:32] hello, I'm following the ubuntu packaging guide, and I'm stuck with "/usr/bin/fakeroot: 152: debian/rules: Permission denied", what am I doing wrong? [08:32] StevenK: ? [08:33] RAOF: wc -l on a .changes [08:33] (this is while doing "dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot") [08:33] beuno: debian/rules needs to be executable. === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:35] StevenK: you are right, thanks! (shouldn't that be specified in the guide?) [08:35] That's a nice big changes file. :) [08:37] RAOF: Yes. It contains changelog entries from 72 releases. :-) [08:37] beuno: yes it should [08:37] debuild -S -sa -v0.0? ;-) [08:37] dholbach: scribus 1.2.5 -> 1.3.3.9 [08:37] minghua: it's not a wiki, so I can't edit, should I file a bug? [08:38] Wow. Took a long while for scribus-ng to be considered stable, eh? [08:38] beuno: that's the problem, I don't know how to file a bug against the packaging guide [08:39] beuno: I usually just pester LaserJock to fix it, but he isn't here now [08:39] beuno: if you can figure out how to file the bug, let me know [08:39] minghua: I'll take up that challenge as soon as I finish going through the guide, :D [08:40] RAOF: Looks that way. [08:40] Hrm. === StevenK wonders how that change was made. [08:40] minghua, beuno: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+filebug === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-185-45.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:41] dholbach: thanks, filing now! [08:41] thanks dholbach [08:41] de rien [08:41] hmph. Current -security practice seems conflicting just upon inspecting debian/changelog entries. === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:42] methinks SecurityUpdateProcedures needs clarification. [08:42] oi [08:42] what do you all think about having something like http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes - where we walk people through say 1) doing a simple change and generate a debdiff from there, 2) update a package to a new version, 3) drop in a dpatch, etc.? === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:43] dholbach: +1 to anything that helps us newcommers to packaging :D [08:43] um yeah. "Subscribe to and send a notification to the security review mailing list ([WWW] security-review@lists.ubuntu.com)" would work better if we hadn't _deleted_ the mailing list. === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:46] dholbach: yes, that would be nice. We should link to pitti's classroom lecture on patching, too. [08:47] [in that appropriate section] [08:47] Should this be discussed at the meeting, too? [08:48] yeah why not === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:48] although we'll have QUITE a long agenda this time === mumbly2 [n=olivier@centresocialcosne.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:48] but this just shows how much activity we have at the moment :-) [08:50] well, I've just restocked my tea cabinet, so I should be good. :-) [08:50] added :) [08:50] hmmmmm, tea - good idea [08:50] mt dew flavord tea ? :) === dholbach wanders off to make some [08:51] ok, #116754 prepared & tested/verified; uploaded to gutsy. Time for my morning run. [08:51] mmm a Ubuntu Development "Cookbook", what a great idea, i love the O'Reilly Cookbook series [08:53] dholbach: btw, thanks for getting back to me so quickly about the UWN interview ;D [08:55] dholbach: Is the Agenda in the wiki? If it is, I'd suggest a link is added here and to #ubuntu-meeting before the meeting starts. === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings [08:56] it's also linked on the fridge node. [08:58] (also linked from https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2007-May/000978.html) [08:58] I meant in the /topic, actually. [08:58] crimsun: I've got a dorky question if you have a sec. [08:59] the meeting is in +5 hours from now correct ? ( just making sure i have my time info right ) [09:01] crimsun: One of the Ubuntu changes for Scribus is "Scribus.pot: Add strings from desktop file."; I'm just entirely unsure how this is done, and wouldn't mind a pointer or cluebat. [09:02] imbrandon: The fridge agrees. [09:02] beuno: no problem :-) [09:02] k === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o dholbach] by ChanServ [09:03] we should have a MOTU/GettingStarted === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:03] we could add most of the links of the topic there === dholbach starts it off [09:04] dholbach: Sounds good to me. [09:04] StevenK: I haven't looked at scribus; was it added manually? (I'm not aware of an automated procedure to add from desktop files.) [09:04] guys if i wanna upload stuff to universe [09:04] whats the process in doing that === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:05] crimsun: I'm unsure. I'm quite tempted to ask pitii. [09:05] viviersf, well first you have to be a MOTU , or have a MOTU to sponsor your upload [09:05] viviersf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment [09:05] StevenK, crimsun: most likely it's a intltool-update thing [09:05] imbrandon, cool ill irritate ajmitch then :) === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:dholbach] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted | Meeting today: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o dholbach] by dholbach [09:08] intltool-extract on the .desktop doesn't give me a thing. [09:09] gah, im all confused... [09:09] whats the correct way to tell the package to install the desktop file? [09:10] jussi01: A .install file if the package has one. [09:10] StevenK: it doesnt, should I just make one? [09:11] It's one way. Another way is to run cp in debian/rules. [09:11] In either case, dh_desktop should be called in binary-indep, which will update the postinst and postrm. [09:12] StevenK: ok, Ill try the install file [09:13] StevenK: I assume .desktop file goes in the package dir, not debian dir? [09:13] If it isn't from upstream, it's usually placed in the debian dir. [09:13] oh, alright then [09:13] thanks [09:15] StevenK: not necessarily binary-indep if it only builds one arch:any package === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-33-243.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:15] minghua: Well, I guessed. :-) === StevenK goes to brave peak-hour traffic. [09:17] StevenK: Hah, what a stupid idea. [09:17] Fujitsu: Like you're even old enough to drive. :-P [09:17] Pfft. [09:17] I should probably get a learner permit soon. [09:18] To be honest, it usually isn't too bad on the way home. === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:24] hmm [09:25] MOTU meeting in 4 hrs === thekorn [n=thekorn@vpn116.mip.uni-hannover.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:25] LaserJock: Right. You might want to go to bed now. [09:25] dholbach: I just saw your little "MOTU Recipies" addition to the agenda [09:25] Fujitsu: not much of a chance of me making that [09:26] Aw.. === thekorn [n=thekorn@vpn116.mip.uni-hannover.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [09:27] since I'm not going to make the meeting [09:27] I had a thought [09:27] actually, I've been thinking about it for some time [09:28] LaserJock, sure you'll be awake :) [09:28] what if the packaging guide turned into a guid on the wiki [09:28] *guide === minghua is not sure it's a good idea [09:29] but then again, I did almost nothing for packaging guide [09:30] the thing for me [09:31] is that I don't get a lot of help with it and I don't have a ton of time to write it myself [09:31] you have to learn docbook and get somewhat involved with the Doc team if you want to work on it much [09:31] and then some material gets outdated fast [09:31] how hard would it be to convert wikispeak to docbook? [09:32] it depends [09:32] right now it could be a decently big deal if I wanted to do everything in moin and then convert to docbook [09:32] but for a section at a time it's reasonably easy [09:32] an alternative thought [09:33] would be to maintain a short, "Getting Started" kind of doc in docbook [09:33] Hmmm, If someone has time, could they review my package? It is mnemosyne http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5267 Thanks a lot [09:33] the kind people could print out, etc. [09:33] so if we used the wiki for updating/changing it in the team and converted fed changes back into docbook - how sensible would that be? [09:33] I'm hesitant to do that for the whole thing [09:33] at least at this point [09:34] but I think some sections at least could be [09:35] do people prefer to have the packaging guide non-wiki? [09:35] it's definatly easier to print when it's not wiki === Tonio_ [n=tonio@81.185.116.8] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:35] it might be a good idea to discuss that on the list [09:35] to get even more input on it [09:35] mhm [09:35] and maybe we find a good solution there [09:35] I wanted to add an agenda item [09:35] but I'm not going to make the meeting so I hate adding items [09:35] right [09:36] best to discuss on the list then [09:36] k [09:36] I think it might be best, in any case, to tie together the great stuff that's going on in the MOTU wiki with the packaging guide [09:37] jussi01: You refer to the GPL rather than GPL-2 in your debian/copyright. [09:38] jussi01: Your copyright file also doesn't list copyright holders. It's not necessarily the same as the authors. [09:38] this is what I use - maybe it's useful to you: [09:38] daniel@lovegood:~$ cat bin/check-copyright [09:38] find . -name '*.c' -o -name '*.h' -o -name '*.cpp' -o -name '*.cc' -o -name '*.hh' -o -name '*.py' | xargs head | less [09:38] daniel@lovegood:~$ [09:39] dholbach: thank you, I didnt even know that could be done [09:39] shawarma: Ill have a look at it [09:40] jussi01: :) === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:41] hmmm, do i ned to have some package to do that? that command doesnt like me... [09:42] jussi01: What's the problem? [09:42] jussi@jussi-laptop:~$ cat bin/check-copyright [09:42] cat: bin/check-copyright: No such file or directory [09:42] Ah, leave that bit out. [09:43] That's just dholbach showing that he has it in a script. [09:43] ahhhh... [09:43] Just start from the "find" command. [09:43] :D === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:46] shawarma: I understood that i referred to the gpl2.... ie. [09:46] either version 2 of the License, or [09:46] (at your option) any later version. [09:46] Yes. You refer to version 1. [09:46] Doh. [09:46] No, you didn't. === shawarma takes of his reviewer hat. [09:47] I'm way too tired to be doing this. :) [09:47] heh, I did, on the bottom... === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-132-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:48] shawarma: no probs, thanks a lot anyway :D [09:49] ok, I'm still following the packaging guide, and I'm getting this when trying to build in a pbuilder enviroment: gzip: debian/tmp/usr/share/man: No such file or directory [09:49] make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1 === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:50] I can imagine it's a problem with the "rules" file, but I'm not sure if that should be happening if I followed the guide... [09:51] hmm [09:51] you're building hello? [09:51] or hello-debhelper? [09:51] LaserJock: hello [09:53] hello's makefile should install man pages, I think === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-113-187.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:54] ok, I just found a difference between the one in Ubuntu and in the guide (from which I copied), might be due to that === pricechild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:54] (still not sure if that should end up in an error though) [09:54] ping6 ping6 [09:54] err [09:54] umm [09:55] kill -9 kill -9 [09:55] I can rap too ;-) [09:55] lol was supose to be `ping6 2001:618:400::4887:85` but not in irssi [09:55] :) [09:55] crimsun: sweet, thanks for preparing the pulseaudio debdiff! === Fujitsu thinks ISPs should get their acts together and provide v6. [09:56] Fujitsu, no doubt [09:56] tb are a pita [09:56] But I can't see that happening soon. [09:56] Heh, yeah. [09:56] High latency, often completely stuffed routing... [09:56] Fujitsu, you have v6 connecttivity ? [09:57] Affirmative. [09:57] can you ping that addr i just pasted [09:57] or try to === Fujitsu tries. [09:58] aaargh... either something's not right with the packaging guide, or I go the ubuntu source package from some weird place, it now mentions "postinst" and "prerm" files, which are not in the ubuntu source... [09:59] (the document problem gets solved by *not* using the ubuntu package rules file, and copy & pasting from the guide) [09:59] bah [09:59] that means I'm getting farther behind [09:59] has this been tested in Feisty? [09:59] I need a "Packaging Guide" cleanup day [09:59] beuno: not particularly [10:00] LaserJock: sorry to bring it up then :( [10:00] no, it's fine [10:00]