=== T` [i=total@pdpc/supporter/student/T] has joined #xubuntu === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust150.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #xubuntu === zials [n=amistr@bas3-windsor12-1128740933.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #xubuntu === GrueTamer [n=gruetame@CPE-72-133-203-78.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === boxnetnet_ [n=box@81-228-28-154-o1110.telia.com] has joined #xubuntu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #xubuntu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #xubuntu === Terrin [n=Terrin@c-69-248-221-99.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:42] Hello, I am having an issue on using ubuntu partition tool, when i go to partition it states (even with guided) that my free space is not large enough to partition, which...is bogus seeing as i have about 70gigs free, any assistance would be appriciated =] === GrueTamer [n=gruetame@CPE-72-133-203-78.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-76-193-190-32.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:52] Hello? === ZeroXR [n=deathMia@pool-71-96-146-214.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === raptor45 [n=devin@66-189-94-121.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu === ZeroXR [n=deathMia@pool-71-96-146-214.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #xubuntu [] === unikon [n=unikon@CPE-75-87-102-98.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:56] any idea why my laptops speakers work on some programs but not others? === bitter [n=none@c-76-111-184-170.hsd1.wv.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:09] is there no xubuntu 7.04 for ppc, or just the beta? === maxamillion [n=adam@r74-192-178-37.htvlcmta01.hnvitx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #xubuntu === bitter [n=none@c-76-111-184-170.hsd1.wv.comcast.net] has left #xubuntu [] === Jim___ [n=chatzill@pool-141-153-138-104.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:20] nickserv [02:20] testing testing [02:21] Jim___: try /msg nickserve . . . if you want to talk to the nickserv [02:21] thx [02:21] sorry... /msg nickserv (no "e" at the end) [02:21] if you want to change your nick, just type /nick "your new nick" w/o the quotes. [02:21] i have a general problem in xubuntu, do i need to register with nickserv to get assistance? (newb question) [02:22] nope. what's the issue? [02:23] I as well have an issue =] . if maybe when you are finished with Jim you could assist? I am having an issue on using ubuntu partition tool, when i go to partition it states (even with guided) that my free space is not large enough to partition, which...is bogus seeing as i have about 70gigs free, it is slightly annoying [02:23] Jim___: you still there? [02:23] For some reason, any window that opens up is automatically attacked to the top of the screen. [02:23] I'm uploading an image so you can get a better idea what I mean [02:24] http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktoprn5.jpg [02:24] That should work. [02:25] Jim___: are you running beryl or compiz? [02:25] Nope. Although this only happened after I ran my first update on the system. I installed 7.04. === pricechild [n=pricechi@unix0.york.ac.uk] has joined #xubuntu [02:26] Jim___: unfortunately, i'm not sure what the problem is. have you tried rebooting? [02:26] i'm not a total expert, though. [02:27] Yes. And it starts up the same. [02:27] Jim___: hit alt+f2, that will bring open a run dialog, enter "xfwm4 &" (without the quotes) and hit enter, that should fix it .... and then you are going to want to make sure you check "save session for future login" next time you logout and the issue should not come back [02:28] THANK YOU SO MUCH! This has been annoying me for some time. === sayers [n=sayers@76.20.133.246] has joined #xubuntu [02:28] How simple was that, heh. [02:28] But thank you very much, I appreciate it very much. === raptor45 [n=devin@66-189-94-121.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has left #xubuntu [] === sayers [n=sayers@76.20.133.246] has left #xubuntu [] [02:29] Now that the issue is solved, I am sorry to be annoying about this =] but would somone mind giving me a couple minutes of there time to help me with my annoying issue =] [02:29] ? [02:29] Jim___: anytime :) [02:29] Terrin: shoot [02:29] I am having an issue on using ubuntu partition tool, when i go to partition it states (even with guided) that my free space is not large enough to partition, which...is bogus seeing as i have about 70gigs free, It seems odd to me [02:30] Terrin: you running the live cd? [02:30] any ideas what might cause that particular issue? [02:31] yes [02:31] I am running the live CD === South [n=malandme@219-90-207-16.static.adam.com.au] has joined #xubuntu [02:32] Terrin: ok, well what i assume is that the free space might still be held in the partition table for some reason, so go to Applications->System->Gnome Partition Manager and erase all partitions off the disk (assuming you want xubuntu as the only OS on the drive, if not then just clear the extra space) and then try running the installer again [02:32] ok I would like to duel boot in to windows =] I am new to linux, a coworker keeps raving about it, and it sound awesome =] [02:33] Terrin: oh it is ... it is :) [02:33] so assuming I want to run both opperating systems for now? [02:33] what do I need to do? [02:33] *confused* [02:33] =] [02:35] hmmm [02:35] Terrin: it would be soooo much easier to show then to explain [02:35] im not sure how to give remote access via Linux =P [02:35] or I would [02:36] Terrin: have you seen this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot? [02:36] err... minus the '?' [02:36] Terrin: that might help you [02:37] excelent I am reading it [02:37] Terrin: awesome :) ... sorry i wasn't of more help, i literally haven't installed windows on a machine i own in over 7 years === maxamillion has been linux-only for some time now [02:38] alright ill try that =] see what the issue is [02:38] and ill come back in a bit [02:38] =] [02:38] thank you very much [02:39] no problem, anytime :) === South [n=malandme@219-90-207-16.static.adam.com.au] has left #xubuntu [] === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-76-193-190-32.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has left #xubuntu [] === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-76-193-190-32.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-76-193-190-32.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has left #xubuntu [] === South [n=malandme@219-90-207-16.static.adam.com.au] has joined #xubuntu === South [n=malandme@219-90-207-16.static.adam.com.au] has left #xubuntu [] === Laibsc1 [n=Laibsch@c-134-229-28.d.dsl.de.ignite.net] has joined #xubuntu === Laibsc1 is now known as Laibsch === Laibsc1 [n=Laibsch@p54b96ea3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu === Laibsc1 is now known as Laibsch === archangelpetro [n=bleh@82.153.65.210] has joined #xubuntu === GrueTamer [n=gruetame@CPE-72-133-203-78.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === GrueTamer [n=gruetame@CPE-72-133-203-78.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === SurfnKid [n=SurfnKid@unaffiliated/surfnkid] has joined #xubuntu [03:58] hi anyone know how to kill the tty terminals [03:58] and not have them load/ [03:59] SurfnKid: why? [04:00] ah just the man i want to speak [04:00] with === wheels3572 [n=wheels@dsl-69-50-51-206.pivot.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:00] someone ( forget his name ) said you knew how to disable them [04:00] cuz i cant find the /etc/inittab file [04:00] im on ubuntu edgy [04:00] trying to free up resources [04:01] SurfnKid: it's there, at least for me [04:01] in /etc [04:01] wth.. [04:01] inittab? [04:01] ubuntu edgy? [04:01] sheep@ghostwheel:~$ ls -al /etc/inittab [04:01] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2008 2006-05-23 12:39 /etc/inittab === Clarrisa_2008 [n=Administ@c-67-166-115-133.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:02] does xubuntu have a LAMP server option install? [04:02] hmm [04:02] Clarrisa_2008: yes, it's the same as ubuntu [04:02] !lamp | Clarrisa_2008 [04:02] Clarrisa_2008: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+) [04:03] no such file or directory [04:03] SurfnKid: looking at the modification date of that file, maybe it's a leftover from dapper... [04:03] yeh agentone said it was removed but you knew how to tweak that [04:05] thesheep, I know what lamp stands for. but I have an older pc, and I've been running ubuntu 6.06, Lamp server only, with no guy, because it was too slow when I installed the desktop ubuntu. so eveyrthing is running fine for over a year. then I get this bright idea to upgrade to 6.1. now I can't see the network anymore... I can't get to my data, etc. etc.. [04:05] SurfnKid: ah, it seems the config is moved into /etc/event.d [04:05] !%$^!# [04:05] :) [04:06] thesheep, I was looking into xubuntu to see if I could somehow recover my mysql, apache2, etc. installation and configuration so that I don't have to reconfigure those DAMN config files again by hand. I'd like to use a GUI only when I'm configuring, then unload it for when the server is just running [04:07] TheSheep, oops, GUI, not guy [04:08] Clarrisa_2008: wait, one step at a time [04:08] ok [04:08] Clarrisa_2008: after upgrading to 6.10 it doesn't see the network? [04:09] i'm so frustrated... I have all of my wordpress blogs on this thing, it's basically all I use it for, but I was loving it.... It's my life's journal in it. [04:09] Clarrisa_2008: we will get it working, calm down :) [04:10] Clarrisa_2008: the upgrade process wouldn't destroy any configuration without asking for confirmation [04:10] thesheep. no,it doesn't. I get a red error box that flies buy when it's booting up, that I didn't get before, and, even though I used to have the network inteface set to a static local ip address, it now only shows the ipaddres of 127.0.0.1... [04:10] TheSheep, so to stop 5 ttys do i edit all tty(1-6) and replace start with stop? [04:11] SurfnKid: not sure, I don't know this new system [04:11] SurfnKid: but you can just disable the alt+ctrl+fN switching in your xorg.conf [04:11] thesheep.... when I type ifconfig, it's 127.0.0.1.... it only did this after my apt-get update, apt-get upgrade... My netowrk card is a SMC 1244 network card. [04:12] Clarrisa_2008: what happens when you type 'ifconfig -a' ? [04:12] thesheep, it has two network lights on the card, so I no it's connected to the swithc router... [04:12] thesheep, let me try that, one sec [04:12] TheSheep, oh ok, will that disable the ttys tho? [04:13] SurfnKid: why do you need them disabled? [04:13] i read on linuxjournal they consume memory and can be freed [04:13] SurfnKid: they really take less resources than, for example, your mouse driver [04:13] oh [04:13] :/ === atarinox [n=atarinox@c-68-83-2-36.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:14] is anyone around to help me w/ a wireless problem [04:14] SurfnKid: you can chek with top how much memory they take [04:14] i can connect to my home network fine if it's secured, but can't connect if it's open [04:14] thesheep, well I get a "lo" device which is the loopback I was talking about and a sit0 device [04:14] this all happened after the upgrade. my wireless chipset is RTL8180 [04:15] atarinox: that's weird, it's usually the other way around [04:15] TheSheep, jesus, 1596 [04:15] nothing [04:15] thesheep, the sit0 device talks about ipv6, etc. [04:15] TheSheep: yeah, i'm having a hell of a time trying to find some help [04:15] atarinox: I have practically no experience with wifi myself :( [04:15] thesheep, it looks like it doesn't recognize my ethernet card anymore [04:16] Clarrisa_2008: ok, lets see if the apropriate module is loaded, try 'modprobe | grep net' [04:16] ok [04:16] Clarrisa_2008: sorry [04:16] Clarrisa_2008: it's 'lsmod' not 'modprobe' [04:16] ok [04:17] thesheep, that just puts me back to the bash prompt. returns nothing [04:17] you don't happen to know how was the module for your card called? :) [04:18] thesheep I posted this link in another forum. part of it is from my interfaces file... the middle part... I can't remember what the top and bottom are... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22368/ [04:20] Clarrisa_2008: I can see there are quite a lot people on the forums with your card and problems [04:20] thesheep, the top is what I got when I typed: lspci -v, at least it's part of what I got, I could only paste part of it in the pastebin, because I had to type the whole thing out and thought the ethernet card portion was the important part. It looks like it's loading a linksys driver for it or something. it's an SMC card as I said [04:21] thesheep an SMC card? [04:21] i thought SMC cards where great === Xjdriver69 [n=aaron@m0e5e36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:21] I can't figure out why it's says linksys, when it's an smc. [04:21] I hate linksys by the way [04:21] quit using them years ago [04:22] same chipset, I guess [04:22] thesheep, what should I do, I'm desparate [04:24] there is only one RED error that flashes buy when I reboot, but I can't pause it to see what it is saying. well actually there is two, one is about the mail server which I never ever got working in the first place. the other error is foreign to me [04:24] thesheep, doesn't ubuntu output what happens to a log or something? === punktux [n=victor@68-190-218-2.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu [04:25] If I could somehow copy that log to a floppy or something.... or, would a livecd help me here? [04:25] how come xscreensaver daemon is not running by default on beryl on xubuntu? [04:25] that pastebin gives me most of the info I need [04:26] Clarrisa_2008: I'm searching now for a solution :) [04:26] ok [04:26] crossing my fingers [04:27] Clarrisa_2008: try typing 'sudo modprobe tulip' [04:27] Clarrisa_2008: and then 'dmesg | tail' and see the last line [04:28] I'm logged in as root right now.. so I typed modprobe tulip....nothing returned... just the bash prompt [04:29] Clarrisa_2008: yes, it writes to dmesg [04:29] thesheep the second command returned a screen full of info [04:29] Clarrisa_2008: you want the last line [04:29] it will take me a minute to type it in to a pastebin [04:29] ok [04:30] Clarrisa_2008: here is the howto, by the way: http://www.linuxforums.org/network/ask_dr._unx.html [04:30] Clarrisa_2008: seems he's got the smae problem [04:31] Clarrisa_2008: if modprobing tulip brought your eth, you can just add it to your /etc/modules and it will be ok [04:32] well I'm confused. the last line, says * reloading postfix configuration [04:32] the line before that reads: [04:32] hang on [04:33] Clarrisa_2008: check 'ifconfig' if it lists your card now [04:35] the sheep. the second to last line reads: (I had to actually type this myself as I can't paste of course, no network connectiong): [42954112.960000] eth0: ADMtek Comet rev 17 at 0001b800, 00:50:bf:FE:91:A4, IRQ 11 [04:35] Clarrisa_2008: ok, you should see eth0 now [04:35] ifconfig still shows the lo device which is only the loopback/ [04:35] Clarrisa_2008: ifconfig -a [04:36] Clarrisa_2008: type /etc/init.d/network restart to have your network up now [04:37] Clarrisa_2008: add a line with 'tulip' in it at the end of /etc/modules to have it loaded automatically on every startup [04:38] um I must be typing in something wrong... /etc/init.d/network restart returns "no such file or directory" === punktux [n=victor@68-190-218-2.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com] has left #xubuntu [] [04:38] fun [04:39] Clarrisa_2008: but 'ifconfig -a' does list eth0 now? === Catoptromancy [n=Miranda@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:39] yes, it does [04:39] no ip address for it that I can see though [04:39] Clarrisa_2008: then just add it to the /etc/modules and restart [04:40] add what? [04:40] oh the tulip [04:40] wonder why it is not loaded automatically [04:40] some autodetection must fail === mindframe_ [n=mindfram@ip68-106-174-142.br.br.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:42] it's rebooting [04:43] Clarrisa_2008: wonder why you lack the /etc/init.d/network [04:43] Clarrisa_2008: maybe not all packages were installed properly during the upgrade? [04:43] I don't get it, I'm sure I used that command a few moments ago [04:44] I think that might be the case [04:44] because I didn't get a "reboot now" message that I read I was supposed to get after a successful upgrade [04:44] Clarrisa_2008: try doing 'apt-get -f install' when it comes up [04:44] Clarrisa_2008: it will lst errors if there were any [04:48] ok..hang on [04:53] is the network working, by the way? [04:53] THEsheep... OK, we are making progress I think!!! after rebooting it twice. on the second time, it said something that the volume had been mounted like 30 times but never been check...so what was cool. is that I was able to type what the error was before it finished the disk check... [04:54] thesheep AND I now see my network card when I type ifconfig and it's at 192.168.176.210 which is the static ip address I gave it a long way back a year ago... [04:54] YES, I can ping it and it's replying [04:54] now I can finally putty into it... [04:55] Here is the error that sweeps by on boot up: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22374/ [04:56] Clarrisa_2008: looks like you need to finish that upgrade [04:57] thesheep....something is screwy though... I can't putty in because I get a bunch of: flashing on the putty screen: [04:57] -bash: /dev/null: Permission denied [04:57] yeah? [04:57] thesheep, but it does finally give me a bash prompt [04:58] Clarrisa_2008: that's because udev didn't load [04:59] Clarrisa_2008: you need to install the remaining half of the system you're missing XD [05:02] The sheep... ok after doing apt-get -f install I get the following: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22375/ [05:03] that stupid courier package is not even really installed right, I was trying to install some sort of mail server software on this box and I wasn't really understanding it, then gave up a couple of months ago... [05:03] if getting rid of that somehow will let the upgrade continue... I would gladly do it [05:04] Clarrisa_2008: apt-get install --reinstall courier-authdaemon [05:04] Clarrisa_2008: ah, and throw in -f [05:04] where do I put the -f at the end of that long command you just gave me? [05:05] doesn't matter [05:05] ok [05:06] ok, different message when I typed that... look at the bottom of this pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22376/ [05:08] Clarrisa_2008: you may try using aptitude instead of apt-get, it's a little smarter [05:08] how do I do that? isn't aptitude a GUI tool? [05:09] I will do whatever you ask. you are the first one who has helped me get anywhere with this. [05:10] Clarrisa_2008: just use 'aptitude' instead of 'apt-get', it has the same command-line options [05:10] so, aptitude -f install? [05:10] yes [05:12] crap, it did the same thing, it gave more messages, acted like it was going to fix it, but ended with the same results [05:12] I can pastebin it if you want [05:12] nah [05:13] maybe try uninstalling the two offending packages? [05:13] ok, be glad to. which ones? and how? [05:13] aptitute remove -f --purge courier-authdaemon [05:16] ok, it tried to reinstall it because of dependencies, the first time I said ok, go ahead, it failed agian, so I tried your the purge command agian, this time I said NO [05:17] E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. [05:17] well, do it [05:18] a bunch of shit is flying by my screen a bunch of perl messages, etc. [05:18] perl: warning.... blah blah...setting up blah blha.... [05:18] I"m wondering if this was what was supposed to happen when the upgrade took a dump [05:19] prolly [05:19] setting up python 2.4 [05:19] etc.. etc.. [05:19] let it finish [05:19] otay [05:20] I'm really wishing I would have never upgraded from 6.06.1 to 6.1 in the first place..... I thought at the time it would help me stay current.. usually a good thing I think, but I should have left well enough alone [05:20] "don't fix what works" [05:20] do you know if 6.1 edgy is even stable? [05:21] there are unix servers running continously for 30 years [05:21] Clarrisa_2008: it is stable, iw wouldn't be released if it wasn't [05:21] ah.... that sounds like netware. I still have clients running those, but not for 30 years [05:22] Clarrisa_2008: but it has a number of, uh, "rough edges", because there were 2 months less time to make it [05:22] Clarrisa_2008: the most recent is fesity, 7.04, it was released in april [05:22] next time I'll just let it stay that way. I really don't know how a person becomes an expert on linux.... there are so many flavors, distros, etc. everybody seems to install things in different places depending on the distro, it's maddening!!! [05:24] Clarrisa_2008: of course, but after some experience with different distros you start to see through it -- it's like you can take any text editor an use it, even if you don't know where the options in menus are -- you can find them [05:24] I have been a netware admin / database programmer /and now learning C# ( and a little php) but I don't know how people become experts with linux. It's like you have to know C programming language to understand it or something... I've only used higher level programming tools [05:24] Clarrisa_2008: bash and perl are more useful in it -- they are pretty high level [05:25] Clarrisa_2008: there is that distro that has all the scripts written in python too [05:25] I have a book on bash, but trying to earn a living and am torn as to what will make me money and keep me employeed here in good old Utah [05:25] Clarrisa_2008: the truth is that you learn unix by soaking in it [05:25] soaking? [05:26] Clarrisa_2008: can't learn it from books, you just use it, and it comes [05:26] oh ok [05:26] Clarrisa_2008: after a while you start thinking like the developers, and you just know where they would put things [05:26] I only have time at night to futz with it.... during the day I'm doing MS SQL/Foxpro/ C#... so much to learn and only one lifetime [05:26] Clarrisa_2008: then your girlfriend dumps you and your friends stop inviting you to parties [05:27] LOL [05:27] where do you live [05:27] Clarrisa_2008: Poland [05:27] oh my hell [05:27] wow [05:27] what time is it there? [05:27] Clarrisa_2008: six o clock [05:27] am ? [05:27] yes [05:28] wow, why are you up so early? [05:28] I'm up so late [05:28] no sleep wow [05:28] are you a native of Poland [05:28] yeah, some problems with it recently [05:28] yes [05:29] do you have ancestors that were involved in the holocaust? [05:29] should I not have asked that? [05:30] Clarrisa_2008: my father's parents emigrated to Denmark during the war, my mother's father was held in a prison camp [05:30] but he lived through it? [05:31] Clarrisa_2008: yes, but never ever wanted to eat turnip again [05:31] Clarrisa_2008: I didn't really hear many stories from them -- I guess they wanted to spare me it [05:32] Clarrisa_2008: they died before I was old enough to actually hear it and understand something [05:32] I bet. I"m so sorry for your people, your country & your region. Your people have suffered so much through the early 1900's .... [05:32] how old are you? [05:32] Clarrisa_2008: 27 [05:32] m or f? [05:32] male or female [05:32] Clarrisa_2008: male. no need to be sorry, it wasn't you who did it, and it wasn't me either [05:33] Clarrisa_2008: besides, there were lots of horrible things happening on both sides [05:33] I know. I just hurt when I read and see pictures of all of the meanness back then. [05:33] true. [05:34] I fear that our country will be next bad war, because of what has happened in Iraq.... I have 4 children. I fear for their safety, their future.... war stinks [05:34] Clarrisa_2008: I wouldn't like to be near USA in the next few years -- it's like being in Germany in 1939 [05:35] I know.... the 9/11 was terrifiying to me. and I live 3000 miles away or more... [05:35] what evil people will do in the name of religion.... [05:35] anyway... [05:35] My linux box finally stopped all of the mssages.. [05:35] Clarrisa_2008: lets hope it will all be resolved peacefully somehow [05:35] but not sure if it did everything it needed to because again, it didn't tell me to reboot [05:35] Clarrisa_2008: that's good [05:36] yes let's hope [05:36] but shouldn't it say something aobut rebooting [05:36] Clarrisa_2008: try to remove that courier-authdaemon again [05:36] it did say at the end Errors wer encounteered while processing: courier-authlib-userdb and vsftpd [05:36] I wish I had never install that stupid courier.... I couldn't get it to work anyway [05:37] Clarrisa_2008: no wonder, if the install was corrupted [05:37] Clarrisa_2008: try removing the packages that cause errors, you can install it back later [05:39] it says Score is -68, then talks about dependencies and that I should install courier-authlib [0.58-4ubuntu1 (edgy)] , and upgrade courier-authdaemon [0.47-13ubuntu5.1 (now) -> 0.58-4ubunut1 (edgy)] ... then it asks Accept this solution Y/n/Q? [05:40] yes i would love to get rid of it!!! I don't care if it's installed at this point, I can learn again about it later and try again, if it would just go away for now [05:40] Clarrisa_2008: hit 'n' until you see a solution that involves uninstalling it [05:41] ok, I did that... now it's sitting at "removing courier-base... and it's just sitting there... cursor is on the next line, without the bash prompt [05:42] I just hit enter though and it gave me back the bash prompt [05:42] not sure if that interrupted it or not [05:42] it shouldn't [05:42] how can I tell if the upgrade is done [05:42] aptitude -f install [05:45] check out pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22382/ [05:45] do I need to reboot first or something? [05:46] Clarrisa_2008: no, do /etc/init.d/vsftpd stop and try again [05:47] ok === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-21-84-11.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:48] ok, I did that... here are the results: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22383/ [05:49] so it start the vsftpd server back up first, then gets the dependency problems, not sure if they are the same [05:49] Clarrisa_2008: one error less :) [05:49] yes [05:50] Clarrisa_2008: dpkg -r courier-authlib-userdb courier-authlib [05:50] .oO( next step will be manually hacking the package database ) [05:52] that game me a dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove courier-authlib which isn't installed [05:52] Clarrisa_2008: that's all? [05:52] then I tried aptitude -f install.... it said it was to remove 2 and 1 not upgraded, instead of remove 3 and 1 not upgraded. seems we are getting closer mabye [05:53] :) === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #xubuntu [05:53] whenever I do the aptitude -f install. it seems to hang at REmoving Courier-base... then I hit enter and it gives me the bash prompt [05:53] Clarrisa_2008: how about apt-get ? [05:54] it also says that I shoudl run dpkg --congiure -a again [05:54] ah [05:54] when I did dpkg --configure -a again, this time it just gave me the bash prompt [05:54] as if nothing happened [05:56] crud, I have a : prompt... I must have done something to put me in a man page or something [05:57] when I click on the window i get a message HELP --press return for more, or q when done... === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-21-84-11.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has left #xubuntu [] [05:57] Q puts the word ESC at the bottom of the screen [05:58] lowercase q... [05:58] or :q [05:58] ok, it's back to the "Removing Courier-base ... the cursor is below that line... nothing happending [05:59] it says a couple of lines above... Package is ina avery bad inconsisten state - you should resintall it before attempting a removal. [06:00] terminate called after throwing an instance of std::logic_error What(): basic_string::_S_construct NULL not valid... aborted. then I get the removing Courier-base ... with the cursor, no bash [06:00] Clarrisa_2008: maybe you should edit /etc/apt/sources.list back to dapper, do 'apt-get update' to fecth the old package list, reinstall that package, then edit sources.list again and do update again and proceed? [06:01] that sounds scary [06:01] the server is actually running right now, at least sort of... should we try a reboot first? [06:02] Clarrisa_2008: it's not windows, reboot won't help and may be worse -- better fix things while the server is still running] [06:03] hmm [06:03] Clarrisa_2008: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace every 'edgy' with 'dapper' [06:04] will this just allow me to go back to dapper and stay that way or are there other things that will be screwed up if I stay at dapper? [06:05] Clarrisa_2008: your system is about 50% dapper and 50% edgy now [06:05] lol [06:05] super [06:05] Clarrisa_2008: the packages from edgy won't be "downgraded" to dapper [06:05] Clarrisa_2008: it's easier to go to edgy at this point [06:06] ok [06:10] ok, all replaced to dapper [06:10] now what [06:10] 'apt-get update' [06:11] it's flying thorugh a bunch of stuff of course [06:11] it loads the package list for dapper [06:11] but how are we going to get rid of the stupid courier-auth or whatever [06:11] it's done [06:11] do I : apt-get upgrade [06:12] or do we kill the courier thing somehow first [06:12] apt-get install --reinstall courier-authdaemon [06:13] returns more info on dependancies.... and to" try apt-get -f install with no packages (or specify a solution)" [06:14] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [06:14] courier-base: Depends: courier-authlib but it is not installable [06:14] Depends: courier-authlib-userdb but it is not installable [06:14] E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). [06:15] why are they not installable? :/ [06:15] no clue [06:16] Clarrisa_2008: maybe edit the sources.list and have both sets of packages (for dapper and for edgy) available at the same time? [06:16] it's actually giving me the same messages as before [06:16] how do I do that? [06:17] I tried the apt-get -f install and it hands on removing courier basss ... again [06:17] Clarrisa_2008: just copy the lines and change the 'dapper' to 'edgy' in half of them [06:17] Reading package lists... Done [06:17] Building dependency tree... Done [06:17] Correcting dependencies... Done [06:17] The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: [06:17] courier-base courier-authdaemon [06:17] Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. [06:17] The following packages will be REMOVED: [06:17] courier-authdaemon courier-base [06:17] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 1 not upgraded. [06:17] 2 not fully installed or removed. [06:18] Need to get 0B of archives. [06:18] After unpacking 696kB disk space will be freed. [06:18] Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y [06:18] dpkg: error processing courier-authdaemon (--remove): [06:18] Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should [06:18] reinstall it before attempting a removal. [06:18] terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::logic_error' [06:18] what(): basic_string::_S_construct NULL not valid [06:18] Aborted [06:18] root@ubuntu:/etc/apt# (Reading database ... 25802 files and directories currently installed.) [06:18] Removing courier-base ... [06:18] see the autoremove above? [06:18] what does that mean === usr_rob [n=usr_rob@c-c6dae055.105-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #xubuntu [06:19] Clarrisa_2008: the new apt-get (the one in edgy) can detect when a package was only needed by other package, and remove it when it's no longer needed [06:19] it's just taking me in the same stupid loop... use apt-get -f install.... then trys to remove then hangs [06:20] I"m not exactly sure how to copy the lines as you said, but I can give it a try. [06:20] Clarrisa_2008: I think there should be some parameter for dpkg to force removing of that package [06:20] Clarrisa_2008: it seems we won't make any progress until we get rid of that broken package [06:22] what about the following force options of kpkg: remove-reinstreq [!] Remove packages which require installation [06:22] remove-essential [!] Remove an essential package [06:23] you need --force-remove-reinstreq [06:23]