[01:42] <Terrin> Hello, I am having an issue on using ubuntu partition tool, when i go to partition it states (even with guided) that my free space is not large enough to partition, which...is bogus seeing as i have about 70gigs free, any assistance would be appriciated =] 
[01:52] <Terrin> Hello?
[01:56] <raptor45> any idea why my laptops speakers work on some programs but not others?
[02:09] <bitter> is there no xubuntu 7.04 for ppc, or just the beta?
[02:20] <Jim___> nickserv
[02:20] <Jim___> testing testing
[02:21] <j1mc> Jim___: try /msg nickserve . . .   if you want to talk to the nickserv
[02:21] <Jim___> thx
[02:21] <j1mc> sorry... /msg nickserv  (no "e" at the end)
[02:21] <j1mc> if you want to change your nick, just type /nick "your new nick" w/o the quotes.
[02:21] <Jim___> i have a general problem in xubuntu, do i need to register with nickserv to get assistance? (newb question)
[02:22] <j1mc> nope.  what's the issue?
[02:23] <Terrin> I as well have an issue =] . if maybe when you are finished with Jim you could assist?  I am having an issue on using ubuntu partition tool, when i go to partition it states (even with guided) that my free space is not large enough to partition, which...is bogus seeing as i have about 70gigs free, it is slightly annoying
[02:23] <j1mc> Jim___: you still there?
[02:23] <Jim___> For some reason, any window that opens up is automatically attacked to the top of the screen.
[02:23] <Jim___> I'm uploading an image so you can get a better idea what I mean
[02:24] <Jim___> http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktoprn5.jpg
[02:24] <Jim___> That should work.
[02:25] <j1mc> Jim___: are you running beryl or compiz?
[02:25] <Jim___> Nope. Although this only happened after I ran my first update on the system. I installed 7.04.
[02:26] <j1mc> Jim___: unfortunately, i'm not sure what the problem is.  have you tried rebooting?
[02:26] <j1mc> i'm not a total expert, though.
[02:27] <Jim___> Yes. And it starts up the same.
[02:27] <maxamillion> Jim___: hit alt+f2, that will bring open a run dialog, enter "xfwm4 &" (without the quotes) and hit enter, that should fix it .... and then you are going to want to make sure you check "save session for future login" next time you logout and the issue should not come back
[02:28] <Jim___> THANK YOU SO MUCH! This has been annoying me for some time.
[02:28] <Jim___> How simple was that, heh.
[02:28] <Jim___> But thank you very much, I appreciate it very much.
[02:29] <Terrin> Now that the issue is solved, I am sorry to be annoying about this =]  but would somone mind giving me a couple minutes of there time to help me with my annoying issue =] 
[02:29] <Terrin> ?
[02:29] <maxamillion> Jim___: anytime :)
[02:29] <maxamillion> Terrin: shoot
[02:29] <Terrin>  I am having an issue on using ubuntu partition tool, when i go to partition it states (even with guided) that my free space is not large enough to partition, which...is bogus seeing as i have about 70gigs free, It seems odd to me
[02:30] <maxamillion> Terrin: you running the live cd?
[02:30] <Terrin> any ideas what might cause that particular issue?
[02:31] <Terrin> yes
[02:31] <Terrin> I am running the live CD
[02:32] <maxamillion> Terrin: ok, well what i assume is that the free space might still be held in the partition table for some reason, so go to Applications->System->Gnome Partition Manager and erase all partitions off the disk (assuming you want xubuntu as the only OS on the drive, if not then just clear the extra space) and then try running the installer again
[02:32] <Terrin> ok I would like to duel boot in to windows =]  I am new to linux, a coworker keeps raving about it, and it sound awesome =] 
[02:33] <maxamillion> Terrin: oh it is ... it is :)
[02:33] <Terrin> so assuming I want to run both opperating systems for now?
[02:33] <Terrin> what do I need to do?
[02:33] <Terrin> *confused*
[02:33] <Terrin> =] 
[02:35] <maxamillion> hmmm
[02:35] <maxamillion> Terrin: it would be soooo much easier to show then to explain
[02:35] <Terrin> im not sure how to give remote access via Linux =P
[02:35] <Terrin> or I would
[02:36] <maxamillion> Terrin: have you seen this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot?
[02:36] <maxamillion> err... minus the '?'
[02:36] <maxamillion> Terrin: that might help you
[02:37] <Terrin> excelent I am reading it
[02:37] <maxamillion> Terrin: awesome :) ... sorry i wasn't of more help, i literally haven't installed windows on a machine i own in over 7 years
[02:38] <Terrin> alright ill try that =]  see what the issue is
[02:38] <Terrin> and ill come back in a bit
[02:38] <Terrin> =] 
[02:38] <Terrin> thank you very much
[02:39] <maxamillion> no problem, anytime :)
[03:58] <SurfnKid> hi anyone know how to kill the tty terminals
[03:58] <SurfnKid> and not have them load/
[03:59] <TheSheep> SurfnKid: why?
[04:00] <SurfnKid> ah just the man i want to speak
[04:00] <SurfnKid> with
[04:00] <SurfnKid> someone ( forget his name ) said you knew how to disable them
[04:00] <SurfnKid> cuz i cant find the /etc/inittab file
[04:00] <SurfnKid> im on ubuntu edgy
[04:00] <SurfnKid> trying to free up resources
[04:01] <TheSheep> SurfnKid: it's there, at least for me
[04:01] <TheSheep> in /etc
[04:01] <SurfnKid> wth..
[04:01] <SurfnKid> inittab?
[04:01] <SurfnKid> ubuntu edgy?
[04:01] <TheSheep> sheep@ghostwheel:~$ ls -al /etc/inittab
[04:01] <TheSheep> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2008 2006-05-23 12:39 /etc/inittab
[04:02] <Clarrisa_2008> does xubuntu have a LAMP server option install?
[04:02] <SurfnKid> hmm
[04:02] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: yes, it's the same as ubuntu
[04:02] <TheSheep> !lamp | Clarrisa_2008
[04:02] <ubotu> Clarrisa_2008: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[04:03] <SurfnKid> no such file or directory
[04:03] <TheSheep> SurfnKid: looking at the modification date of that file, maybe it's a leftover from dapper...
[04:03] <SurfnKid> yeh agentone said it was removed but you knew how to tweak that
[04:05] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep, I know what lamp stands for.  but I have an older pc, and I've been running ubuntu 6.06, Lamp server only, with no guy, because it was too slow when I installed the desktop ubuntu.  so eveyrthing is running fine for over a year. then I get this bright idea to upgrade to 6.1.  now I can't see the network anymore... I can't get to my data, etc. etc..
[04:05] <TheSheep> SurfnKid: ah, it seems the config is moved into /etc/event.d
[04:05] <SurfnKid> !%$^!#
[04:05] <SurfnKid> :)
[04:06] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep, I was looking into xubuntu to see if I could somehow recover my mysql, apache2, etc. installation and configuration so that I don't have to reconfigure those DAMN config files again by hand.  I'd like to use a GUI only when I'm configuring, then unload it for when the server is just running
[04:07] <Clarrisa_2008> TheSheep, oops, GUI, not guy
[04:08] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: wait, one step at a time
[04:08] <Clarrisa_2008> ok
[04:08] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: after upgrading to 6.10 it doesn't see the network?
[04:09] <Clarrisa_2008> i'm so frustrated... I have all of my wordpress blogs on this thing, it's basically all I use it for, but I was loving it.... It's my life's journal in it.
[04:09] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: we will get it working, calm down :)
[04:10] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: the upgrade process wouldn't destroy any configuration without asking for confirmation
[04:10] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep. no,it doesn't.  I get a red error box that flies buy when it's booting up, that I didn't get before, and, even though I used to have the network inteface set to a static local ip address, it now only shows the ipaddres of 127.0.0.1...
[04:10] <SurfnKid> TheSheep, so to stop 5 ttys do i edit all tty(1-6) and replace start with stop?
[04:11] <TheSheep> SurfnKid: not sure, I don't know this new system
[04:11] <TheSheep> SurfnKid: but you can just disable the alt+ctrl+fN switching in your xorg.conf
[04:11] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep.... when I type ifconfig, it's 127.0.0.1....  it only did this after my apt-get update, apt-get upgrade...  My netowrk card is a SMC 1244 network card.
[04:12] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: what happens when you type 'ifconfig -a' ?
[04:12] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep, it has two network lights on the card, so I no it's connected to the swithc router...
[04:12] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep, let me try that, one sec
[04:12] <SurfnKid> TheSheep, oh ok, will that disable the ttys tho?
[04:13] <TheSheep> SurfnKid: why do you need them disabled?
[04:13] <SurfnKid> i read on linuxjournal they consume memory and can be freed
[04:13] <TheSheep> SurfnKid: they really take less resources than, for example, your mouse driver
[04:13] <SurfnKid> oh
[04:13] <SurfnKid> :/
[04:14] <atarinox> is anyone around to help me w/ a wireless problem
[04:14] <TheSheep> SurfnKid: you can chek with top how much memory they take
[04:14] <atarinox> i can connect to my home network fine if it's secured, but can't connect if it's open
[04:14] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep, well I get a "lo" device which is the loopback I was talking about and a sit0 device
[04:14] <atarinox> this all happened after the upgrade. my wireless chipset is RTL8180
[04:15] <TheSheep> atarinox: that's weird, it's usually the other way around
[04:15] <SurfnKid> TheSheep, jesus, 1596
[04:15] <SurfnKid> nothing
[04:15] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep, the sit0 device talks about ipv6, etc.
[04:15] <atarinox> TheSheep: yeah, i'm having a hell of a time trying to find some help
[04:15] <TheSheep> atarinox: I have practically no experience with wifi myself :(
[04:15] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep, it looks like it doesn't recognize my ethernet card anymore
[04:16] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: ok, lets see if the apropriate module is loaded, try 'modprobe | grep net'
[04:16] <Clarrisa_2008> ok
[04:16] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: sorry
[04:16] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: it's 'lsmod' not 'modprobe'
[04:16] <Clarrisa_2008> ok
[04:17] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep, that just puts me back to the bash prompt.  returns nothing
[04:17] <TheSheep> you don't happen to know how was the module for your card called? :)
[04:18] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep I posted this link in another forum.  part of it is from my interfaces file... the middle part... I can't remember what the top and bottom are... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22368/
[04:20] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: I can see there are quite a lot people on the forums with your card and problems
[04:20] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep, the top is what I got when I typed: lspci -v, at least it's part of what I got, I could only paste part of it in the pastebin, because I had to type the whole thing out and thought the ethernet card portion was the important part.  It looks like it's loading a linksys driver for it or something.  it's an SMC card as I said
[04:21] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep an SMC card?
[04:21] <Clarrisa_2008> i thought SMC cards where great
[04:21] <Clarrisa_2008> I can't figure out why it's says linksys, when it's an smc.
[04:21] <Clarrisa_2008> I hate linksys by the way
[04:21] <Clarrisa_2008> quit using them years ago
[04:22] <TheSheep> same chipset, I guess
[04:22] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep, what should I do, I'm desparate
[04:24] <Clarrisa_2008> there is only one RED error that flashes buy when I reboot, but I can't pause it to see what it is saying.  well actually there is two, one is about the mail server which I never ever got working in the first place.  the other error is foreign to me
[04:24] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep, doesn't ubuntu output what happens to a log or something?
[04:25] <Clarrisa_2008> If I could somehow copy that log to a floppy or something.... or, would a livecd help me here?
[04:25] <punktux> how come xscreensaver daemon is not running by default on beryl on xubuntu?
[04:25] <TheSheep> that pastebin gives me most of the info I need
[04:26] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: I'm searching now for a solution :)
[04:26] <Clarrisa_2008> ok
[04:26] <Clarrisa_2008> crossing my fingers
[04:27] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: try typing 'sudo modprobe tulip'
[04:27] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: and then 'dmesg | tail' and see the last line
[04:28] <Clarrisa_2008> I'm logged in as root right now.. so I typed modprobe tulip....nothing returned... just the bash prompt
[04:29] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: yes, it writes to dmesg
[04:29] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep the second command returned a screen full of info
[04:29] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: you want the last line
[04:29] <Clarrisa_2008> it will take me a minute to type it in to a pastebin
[04:29] <Clarrisa_2008> ok
[04:30] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: here is the howto, by the way: http://www.linuxforums.org/network/ask_dr._unx.html
[04:30] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: seems he's got the smae problem
[04:31] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: if modprobing tulip brought your eth, you can just add it to your /etc/modules and it will be ok
[04:32] <Clarrisa_2008> well I'm confused.  the last line, says * reloading postfix configuration
[04:32] <Clarrisa_2008> the line before that reads:
[04:32] <Clarrisa_2008> hang on
[04:33] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: check 'ifconfig' if it lists your card now
[04:35] <Clarrisa_2008> the sheep.  the second to last line reads: (I had to actually type this myself as I can't paste of course, no network connectiong): [42954112.960000]  eth0: ADMtek Comet rev 17 at 0001b800, 00:50:bf:FE:91:A4, IRQ 11
[04:35] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: ok, you should see eth0 now
[04:35] <Clarrisa_2008> ifconfig still shows the lo device which is only the loopback/
[04:35] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: ifconfig -a
[04:36] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: type /etc/init.d/network restart  to have your network up now
[04:37] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: add a line with 'tulip' in it at the end of /etc/modules to have it loaded automatically on every startup
[04:38] <Clarrisa_2008> um I must be typing in something wrong... /etc/init.d/network restart returns "no such file or directory"
[04:38] <TheSheep> fun
[04:39] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: but 'ifconfig -a' does list eth0 now?
[04:39] <Clarrisa_2008> yes, it does
[04:39] <Clarrisa_2008> no ip address for it that I can see though
[04:39] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: then just add it to the /etc/modules and restart
[04:40] <Clarrisa_2008> add what?
[04:40] <Clarrisa_2008> oh the tulip
[04:40] <TheSheep> wonder why it is not loaded automatically
[04:40] <TheSheep> some autodetection must fail
[04:42] <Clarrisa_2008> it's rebooting
[04:43] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: wonder why you lack the /etc/init.d/network
[04:43] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: maybe not all packages were installed properly during the upgrade?
[04:43] <Clarrisa_2008> I don't get it, I'm sure I used that command a few moments ago
[04:44] <Clarrisa_2008> I think that might be the case
[04:44] <Clarrisa_2008> because I didn't get a "reboot now" message that I read I was supposed to get after a successful upgrade
[04:44] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: try doing 'apt-get -f install' when it comes up
[04:44] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: it will lst errors if there were any
[04:48] <Clarrisa_2008> ok..hang on
[04:53] <TheSheep> is the network working, by the way?
[04:53] <Clarrisa_2008> THEsheep... OK, we are making progress I think!!!  after rebooting it twice. on the second time, it said something that the volume had been mounted like 30 times but never been check...so what was cool. is that I was able to type what the error was before it finished the disk check...
[04:54] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep AND I now see my network card when I type ifconfig and it's at 192.168.176.210 which is the static ip address I gave it a long way back a year ago...
[04:54] <Clarrisa_2008> YES, I can ping it and it's replying
[04:54] <Clarrisa_2008> now I can finally putty into it...
[04:55] <Clarrisa_2008> Here is the error that sweeps by on boot up: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22374/
[04:56] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: looks like you need to finish that upgrade
[04:57] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep....something is screwy though... I can't putty in because I get a bunch of: flashing on the putty screen:
[04:57] <Clarrisa_2008> -bash: /dev/null: Permission denied
[04:57] <null> yeah?
[04:57] <Clarrisa_2008> thesheep, but it does finally give me a bash prompt
[04:58] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: that's because udev didn't load
[04:59] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: you need to install the remaining half of the system you're missing XD
[05:02] <Clarrisa_2008> The sheep... ok after doing apt-get -f install I get the following: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22375/
[05:03] <Clarrisa_2008> that stupid courier package is not even really installed right, I was trying to install some sort of mail server software on this box and I wasn't really understanding it, then gave up a couple of months ago...
[05:03] <Clarrisa_2008> if getting rid of that somehow will let the upgrade continue... I would gladly do it
[05:04] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: apt-get install --reinstall courier-authdaemon
[05:04] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: ah, and throw in -f
[05:04] <Clarrisa_2008> where do I put the -f at the end of that long command you just gave me?
[05:05] <TheSheep> doesn't matter
[05:05] <Clarrisa_2008> ok
[05:06] <Clarrisa_2008> ok, different message when I typed that... look at the bottom of this pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22376/
[05:08] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: you may try using aptitude instead of apt-get, it's a little smarter
[05:08] <Clarrisa_2008> how do I do that?  isn't aptitude a GUI tool?
[05:09] <Clarrisa_2008> I will do whatever you ask.  you are the first one who has helped me get anywhere with this.
[05:10] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: just use 'aptitude' instead of 'apt-get', it has the same command-line options
[05:10] <Clarrisa_2008> so, aptitude -f install?
[05:10] <TheSheep> yes
[05:12] <Clarrisa_2008> crap, it did the same thing, it gave more messages, acted like it was going to fix it, but ended with the same results
[05:12] <Clarrisa_2008> I can pastebin it if you want
[05:12] <TheSheep> nah
[05:13] <TheSheep> maybe try uninstalling the two offending packages?
[05:13] <Clarrisa_2008> ok, be glad to.  which ones? and how?
[05:13] <TheSheep> aptitute remove -f --purge courier-authdaemon
[05:16] <Clarrisa_2008> ok, it tried to reinstall it because of dependencies, the first time I said ok, go ahead, it failed agian, so I tried your the purge command agian, this time I said NO
[05:17] <Clarrisa_2008> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[05:17] <TheSheep> well, do it
[05:18] <Clarrisa_2008> a bunch of shit is flying by my screen a bunch of perl messages, etc.
[05:18] <Clarrisa_2008> perl: warning.... blah blah...setting up blah blha....
[05:18] <Clarrisa_2008> I"m wondering if this was what was supposed to happen when the upgrade took a dump
[05:19] <TheSheep> prolly
[05:19] <Clarrisa_2008> setting up python 2.4
[05:19] <Clarrisa_2008> etc.. etc..
[05:19] <TheSheep> let it finish
[05:19] <Clarrisa_2008> otay
[05:20] <Clarrisa_2008> I'm really wishing I would have never upgraded from 6.06.1 to 6.1 in the first place..... I thought at the time it would help me stay current.. usually a good thing I think, but I should have left well enough alone
[05:20] <TheSheep> "don't fix what works"
[05:20] <Clarrisa_2008> do you know if 6.1 edgy is even stable?
[05:21] <TheSheep> there are unix servers running continously for 30 years
[05:21] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: it is stable, iw wouldn't be released if it wasn't
[05:21] <Clarrisa_2008> ah.... that sounds like netware.  I still have clients running those, but not for 30 years
[05:22] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: but it has a number of, uh, "rough edges", because there were 2 months less time to make it
[05:22] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: the most recent is fesity, 7.04, it was released in april
[05:22] <Clarrisa_2008> next time I'll just let it stay that way.   I really don't know how a person becomes an expert on linux....  there are so many flavors, distros, etc. everybody seems to install things in different places depending on the distro,  it's maddening!!!
[05:24] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: of course, but after some experience with different distros you start to see through it -- it's like you can take any text editor an use it, even if you don't know where the options in menus are -- you can find them
[05:24] <Clarrisa_2008> I have been a netware admin / database programmer /and now learning C# ( and a little php) but I don't know how people become experts with linux.  It's like you have to know C programming language to understand it or something... I've only used higher level programming tools
[05:24] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: bash and perl are more useful in it -- they are pretty high level
[05:25] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: there is that distro that has all the scripts written in python too
[05:25] <Clarrisa_2008> I have a book on bash, but trying to earn a living and am torn as to what will make me money and keep me employeed here in good old Utah
[05:25] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: the truth is that you learn unix by soaking in it
[05:25] <Clarrisa_2008> soaking?
[05:26] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: can't learn it from books, you just use it, and it comes
[05:26] <Clarrisa_2008> oh ok
[05:26] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: after a while you start thinking like the developers, and you just know where they would put things
[05:26] <Clarrisa_2008> I only have time at night to futz with it.... during the day I'm doing MS SQL/Foxpro/ C#...  so much to learn and only one lifetime
[05:26] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: then your girlfriend dumps you and your friends stop inviting you to parties
[05:27] <Clarrisa_2008> LOL
[05:27] <Clarrisa_2008> where do you live
[05:27] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: Poland
[05:27] <Clarrisa_2008> oh my hell
[05:27] <Clarrisa_2008> wow
[05:27] <Clarrisa_2008> what time is it there?
[05:27] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: six o clock
[05:27] <Clarrisa_2008> am ?
[05:27] <TheSheep> yes
[05:28] <Clarrisa_2008> wow, why are you up so early?
[05:28] <TheSheep> I'm up so late
[05:28] <Clarrisa_2008> no sleep wow
[05:28] <Clarrisa_2008> are you a native of Poland
[05:28] <TheSheep> yeah, some problems with it recently
[05:28] <TheSheep> yes
[05:29] <Clarrisa_2008> do you have ancestors that were involved in the holocaust?
[05:29] <Clarrisa_2008> should I not have asked that?
[05:30] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: my father's parents emigrated to Denmark during the war, my mother's father was held in a prison camp
[05:30] <Clarrisa_2008> but he lived through it?
[05:31] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: yes, but never ever wanted to eat turnip again
[05:31] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: I didn't really hear many stories from them -- I guess they wanted to spare me it
[05:32] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: they died before I was old enough to actually hear it and understand something
[05:32] <Clarrisa_2008> I bet.  I"m so sorry for your people, your country & your region.  Your people have suffered so much through the early 1900's ....
[05:32] <Clarrisa_2008> how old are you?
[05:32] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: 27
[05:32] <Clarrisa_2008> m or f?
[05:32] <Clarrisa_2008> male or female
[05:32] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: male. no need to be sorry, it wasn't you who did it, and it wasn't me either
[05:33] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: besides, there were lots of horrible things happening on both sides
[05:33] <Clarrisa_2008> I know.  I just hurt when I read and see pictures of all of the meanness back then.
[05:33] <Clarrisa_2008> true.
[05:34] <Clarrisa_2008> I fear that our country will be next bad war, because of what has happened in Iraq.... I have 4 children.  I fear for their safety, their future....  war stinks
[05:34] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: I wouldn't like to be near USA in the next few years -- it's like being in Germany in 1939
[05:35] <Clarrisa_2008> I know.... the 9/11 was terrifiying to me.  and I live 3000 miles away or more...
[05:35] <Clarrisa_2008> what evil people will do in the name of religion....
[05:35] <Clarrisa_2008> anyway...
[05:35] <Clarrisa_2008> My linux box finally stopped all of the mssages..
[05:35] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: lets hope it will all be resolved peacefully somehow
[05:35] <Clarrisa_2008> but not sure if it did everything it needed to because again, it didn't tell me to reboot
[05:35] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: that's good
[05:36] <Clarrisa_2008> yes let's hope
[05:36] <Clarrisa_2008> but shouldn't it say something aobut rebooting
[05:36] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: try to remove that courier-authdaemon again
[05:36] <Clarrisa_2008> it did say at the end Errors wer encounteered while processing: courier-authlib-userdb and vsftpd
[05:36] <Clarrisa_2008> I wish I had never install that stupid courier.... I couldn't get it to work anyway
[05:37] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: no wonder, if the install was corrupted
[05:37] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: try removing the packages that cause errors, you can install it back later
[05:39] <Clarrisa_2008> it says Score is -68, then talks about dependencies and that I should install courier-authlib [0.58-4ubuntu1 (edgy)] , and upgrade courier-authdaemon [0.47-13ubuntu5.1 (now) -> 0.58-4ubunut1 (edgy)] ...  then it asks Accept this solution Y/n/Q?
[05:40] <Clarrisa_2008> yes i would love to get rid of it!!! I don't care if it's installed at this point, I can learn again about it later and try again, if it would just go away for now
[05:40] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: hit 'n' until you see a solution that involves uninstalling it
[05:41] <Clarrisa_2008> ok, I did that... now it's sitting at "removing courier-base... and it's just sitting there... cursor is on the next line, without the bash prompt
[05:42] <Clarrisa_2008> I just hit enter though and it gave me back the bash prompt
[05:42] <Clarrisa_2008> not sure if that interrupted it or not
[05:42] <TheSheep> it shouldn't
[05:42] <Clarrisa_2008> how can I tell if the upgrade is done
[05:42] <TheSheep> aptitude -f install
[05:45] <Clarrisa_2008> check out pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22382/
[05:45] <Clarrisa_2008> do I need to reboot first or something?
[05:46] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: no, do /etc/init.d/vsftpd stop  and try again
[05:47] <Clarrisa_2008> ok
[05:48] <Clarrisa_2008> ok, I did that... here are the results: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22383/
[05:49] <Clarrisa_2008> so it start the vsftpd server back up first, then gets the dependency problems, not sure if they are the same
[05:49] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: one error less :)
[05:49] <Clarrisa_2008> yes
[05:50] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: dpkg -r courier-authlib-userdb courier-authlib
[05:50] <TheSheep> .oO( next step will be manually hacking the package database )
[05:52] <Clarrisa_2008> that game me a dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove courier-authlib which isn't installed
[05:52] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: that's all?
[05:52] <Clarrisa_2008> then I tried aptitude -f install.... it said it was to remove 2 and 1 not upgraded, instead of remove 3 and 1 not upgraded.  seems we are getting closer mabye
[05:53] <TheSheep> :)
[05:53] <Clarrisa_2008> whenever I do the aptitude -f install.  it seems to hang at REmoving Courier-base...   then I hit enter and it gives me the bash prompt
[05:53] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: how about apt-get ?
[05:54] <Clarrisa_2008> it also says that I shoudl run dpkg --congiure -a again
[05:54] <TheSheep> ah
[05:54] <Clarrisa_2008> when I did dpkg --configure -a again, this time it just gave me the bash prompt
[05:54] <Clarrisa_2008> as if nothing happened
[05:56] <Clarrisa_2008> crud, I have a : prompt... I must have done something to put me in a man page or something
[05:57] <Clarrisa_2008> when I click on the window i get a message HELP --press return for more, or q when done...
[05:57] <Clarrisa_2008> Q puts the word ESC at the bottom of the screen
[05:58] <TheSheep> lowercase q...
[05:58] <TheSheep> or :q
[05:58] <Clarrisa_2008> ok, it's back to the "Removing Courier-base ...  the cursor is below that line... nothing happending
[05:59] <Clarrisa_2008> it says a couple of lines above... Package is ina  avery bad inconsisten state - you should resintall it before attempting a removal.
[06:00] <Clarrisa_2008> terminate called after throwing an instance of std::logic_error  What(): basic_string::_S_construct NULL not valid... aborted.  then I get the removing Courier-base ... with the cursor, no bash
[06:00] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: maybe you should edit /etc/apt/sources.list back to dapper, do 'apt-get update' to fecth the old package list, reinstall that package, then edit sources.list again and do update again and proceed?
[06:01] <Clarrisa_2008> that sounds scary
[06:01] <Clarrisa_2008> the server is actually running right now, at least sort of...   should we try a reboot first?
[06:02] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: it's not windows, reboot won't help and may be worse -- better fix things while the server is still running] 
[06:03] <Clarrisa_2008> hmm
[06:03] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace every 'edgy' with 'dapper'
[06:04] <Clarrisa_2008> will this just allow me to go back to dapper and stay that way or are there other things that will be screwed up if I stay at dapper?
[06:05] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: your system is about 50% dapper and 50% edgy now
[06:05] <Clarrisa_2008> lol
[06:05] <Clarrisa_2008> super
[06:05] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: the packages from edgy won't be "downgraded" to dapper
[06:05] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: it's easier to go to edgy at this point
[06:06] <Clarrisa_2008> ok
[06:10] <Clarrisa_2008> ok, all replaced to dapper
[06:10] <Clarrisa_2008> now what
[06:10] <TheSheep> 'apt-get update'
[06:11] <Clarrisa_2008> it's flying thorugh a bunch of stuff of course
[06:11] <TheSheep> it loads the package list for dapper
[06:11] <Clarrisa_2008> but how are we going to get rid of the stupid courier-auth or whatever
[06:11] <Clarrisa_2008> it's done
[06:11] <Clarrisa_2008> do I : apt-get upgrade
[06:12] <Clarrisa_2008> or do we kill the courier thing somehow first
[06:12] <TheSheep> apt-get install --reinstall courier-authdaemon
[06:13] <Clarrisa_2008> returns more info on dependancies.... and to" try apt-get -f install with no packages (or specify a solution)"
[06:14] <Clarrisa_2008> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:14] <Clarrisa_2008>   courier-base: Depends: courier-authlib but it is not installable
[06:14] <Clarrisa_2008>                 Depends: courier-authlib-userdb but it is not installable
[06:14] <Clarrisa_2008> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[06:15] <TheSheep> why are they not installable? :/
[06:15] <Clarrisa_2008> no clue
[06:16] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: maybe edit the sources.list and have both sets of packages (for dapper and for edgy) available at the same time?
[06:16] <Clarrisa_2008> it's actually giving me the same messages as before
[06:16] <Clarrisa_2008> how do I do that?
[06:17] <Clarrisa_2008> I tried the apt-get -f install and it hands on removing courier basss ... again
[06:17] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: just copy the lines and change the 'dapper' to 'edgy' in half of them
[06:17] <Clarrisa_2008> Reading package lists... Done
[06:17] <Clarrisa_2008> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:17] <Clarrisa_2008> Correcting dependencies... Done
[06:17] <Clarrisa_2008> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[06:17] <Clarrisa_2008>   courier-base courier-authdaemon
[06:17] <Clarrisa_2008> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[06:17] <Clarrisa_2008> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[06:17] <Clarrisa_2008>   courier-authdaemon courier-base
[06:17] <Clarrisa_2008> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[06:17] <Clarrisa_2008> 2 not fully installed or removed.
[06:18] <Clarrisa_2008> Need to get 0B of archives.
[06:18] <Clarrisa_2008> After unpacking 696kB disk space will be freed.
[06:18] <Clarrisa_2008> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y
[06:18] <Clarrisa_2008> dpkg: error processing courier-authdaemon (--remove):
[06:18] <Clarrisa_2008>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[06:18] <Clarrisa_2008>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[06:18] <Clarrisa_2008> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::logic_error'
[06:18] <Clarrisa_2008>   what():  basic_string::_S_construct NULL not valid
[06:18] <Clarrisa_2008> Aborted
[06:18] <Clarrisa_2008> root@ubuntu:/etc/apt# (Reading database ... 25802 files and directories currently installed.)
[06:18] <Clarrisa_2008> Removing courier-base ...
[06:18] <Clarrisa_2008> see the autoremove above?
[06:18] <Clarrisa_2008> what does that mean
[06:19] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: the new apt-get (the one in edgy) can detect when a package was only needed by other package, and remove it when it's no longer needed
[06:19] <Clarrisa_2008> it's just taking me in the same stupid loop... use apt-get -f install.... then trys to remove then hangs
[06:20] <Clarrisa_2008> I"m not exactly sure how to copy the lines as you said, but I can give it a try.
[06:20] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: I think there should be some parameter for dpkg to force removing of that package
[06:20] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: it seems we won't make any progress until we get rid of that broken package
[06:22] <Clarrisa_2008> what about the following force options of kpkg: remove-reinstreq [!]    Remove packages which require installation
[06:22] <Clarrisa_2008>   remove-essential [!]    Remove an essential package
[06:23] <TheSheep> you need --force-remove-reinstreq
[06:23] <TheSheep> ah, you found it too :)
[06:24] <TheSheep> dpkg has the same
[06:24] <Clarrisa_2008> so the full command should be?
[06:24] <TheSheep> dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq courier-authdaemon
[06:25] <TheSheep> or even 'dpkg --configure -a --force-remove-reinstreq'
[06:26] <Clarrisa_2008> when I type that, it just gets me bash prompt nothing seems to happen
[06:27] <Clarrisa_2008> I tried the apt-get -f install and it hands on removing courier basss ... again
[06:27] <Clarrisa_2008> it's like an endless loop
[06:28] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: you can try editing /var/lib/dpkg/state and remove these courier packages from there
[06:29] <Clarrisa_2008> root@ubuntu:/var/lib/dpkg# ls state
[06:29] <Clarrisa_2008> ls: state: No such file or directory
[06:29] <Clarrisa_2008> root@ubuntu:/var/lib/dpkg# ls
[06:29] <Clarrisa_2008> alternatives   cmethopt        info     parts             status
[06:29] <Clarrisa_2008> available      diversions      lock     statoverride      status-old
[06:29] <Clarrisa_2008> available-old  diversions-old  methods  statoverride-old  updates
[06:30] <Clarrisa_2008> that is what I have in my dpkg folder
[06:30] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: status, sorry
[06:30] <Clarrisa_2008> oh ok
[06:30] <Clarrisa_2008> this is a long file
[06:30] <Clarrisa_2008> do I search for something
[06:30] <TheSheep> courier
[06:31] <Clarrisa_2008> Package: courier-authdaemon
[06:31] <Clarrisa_2008> Status: deinstall reinstreq half-configured
[06:31] <Clarrisa_2008> Priority: optional
[06:31] <Clarrisa_2008> Section: mail
[06:31] <Clarrisa_2008> Installed-Size: 196
[06:31] <Clarrisa_2008> Maintainer: Stefan Hornburg (Racke) <racke@linuxia.de>
[06:31] <Clarrisa_2008> Architecture: i386
[06:31] <Clarrisa_2008> Source: courier
[06:31] <Clarrisa_2008> Version: 0.47-13ubuntu5.1
[06:31] <Clarrisa_2008> Config-Version: 0.47-13ubuntu5.1
[06:31] <Clarrisa_2008> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libgdbm3, libpam0g (>= 0.76), courier-base (>= 0.4$
[06:31] <Clarrisa_2008> Conffiles:
[06:31] <Clarrisa_2008>  /etc/init.d/courier-authdaemon a78447b8d73f1fcb1f700b1a1fe700f6
[06:31] <TheSheep> ok, ok
[06:31] <Clarrisa_2008>  /etc/courier/authdaemonrc 3266814e077a05b5664578b06b5ca039
[06:31] <Clarrisa_2008> Description: Courier Mail Server - Authentication daemon
[06:31] <Clarrisa_2008>  This package contains the authentication daemon for the
[06:31] <TheSheep> change the status line
[06:31] <Clarrisa_2008>  Courier Mail Server.
[06:31] <TheSheep> to 'purge ok not-installed'
[06:32] <Clarrisa_2008> there is also a huge chunk for courier-imap
[06:32] <TheSheep> lets try to limit our hacking to that one single package for now
[06:33] <Clarrisa_2008> ok, I made a backup first of the status file.  then made the change you suggest
[06:33] <Clarrisa_2008> anything else?
[06:33] <TheSheep> lets try it now
[06:34] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: it should think the package is uninstalled now
[06:34] <Clarrisa_2008> try what?  I forgot which command we are going to do next
[06:34] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: that will leave you with some files lying around, but you can remove them manually later
[06:34] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: spkg --configure -a
[06:34] <TheSheep> dpkg
[06:34] <TheSheep> sorry
[06:34] <Clarrisa_2008> I don't even care about extra orphan files as long as I can get this upgrade to finish
[06:35] <Clarrisa_2008>  dpkg --configure -a
[06:35] <Clarrisa_2008> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 984 package `courier-authdaemon':
[06:35] <Clarrisa_2008>  Configured-Version for package with inappropriate Status
[06:35] <Clarrisa_2008> root@ubuntu:/var/lib/dpkg#
[06:35] <TheSheep> :\
[06:36] <TheSheep> not so easy to cheat :/
[06:36] <Clarrisa_2008> apparently it feels your status is "inappropriate" :)
[06:37] <Clarrisa_2008> this is what cracks me up that people say about linux "oh, but it's so EASY, everything is in TEXT files!!!"   they don't mention that they are 10,000 text files and that they are all extremely cryptic lol
[06:37] <Clarrisa_2008> what next?
[06:38] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: not really, at least you can try to do something, with binaries you'd be just stuck
[06:38] <Clarrisa_2008> do I restore the copy of status?
[06:38] <Clarrisa_2008> true
[06:38] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: ok, restore that backup, lets try something else
[06:38] <Clarrisa_2008> ok done
[06:39] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: how does /var/lib/dpkg/info/courier-authdaemon.postinst look?
[06:39] <TheSheep> sorry, .postrm
[06:39] <TheSheep> and .prerm
[06:40] <Clarrisa_2008> if [ "$1" = "purge" ] ; then
[06:40] <Clarrisa_2008>         # remove runtime files
[06:40] <Clarrisa_2008>         rm -rf /var/run/courier/authdaemon
[06:40] <Clarrisa_2008> fi
[06:40] <Clarrisa_2008> # Automatically added by dh_installinit
[06:40] <Clarrisa_2008> if [ "$1" = "purge" ]  ; then
[06:40] <Clarrisa_2008>         update-rc.d courier-authdaemon remove >/dev/null || exit $?
[06:40] <Clarrisa_2008> fi
[06:40] <Clarrisa_2008> # End automatically added section
[06:41] <Clarrisa_2008> that's it
[06:41] <TheSheep> haha
[06:41] <Clarrisa_2008> ?
[06:41] <TheSheep> is your /dev/null still read-only?
[06:41] <Clarrisa_2008> uh, not sure... how do I check
[06:41] <TheSheep> try 'echo hello > /dev/null'
[06:42] <Clarrisa_2008> returns nothing...prompt
[06:42] <TheSheep> so it works
[06:42] <Clarrisa_2008> what does?
[06:42] <TheSheep> well, /dev/null is a dummy, "blackhole" file
[06:42] <Clarrisa_2008> oh ok
[06:43] <TheSheep> you can throw anything into it and it will just disappear
[06:43] <Clarrisa_2008> ok
[06:43] <TheSheep>  > redirects output of a program
[06:43] <TheSheep> echo just outputs whatever you tell it
[06:43] <Clarrisa_2008> cool
[06:43] <TheSheep> 'echo hello' just prints 'hello'
[06:43] <Clarrisa_2008> oh ok
[06:44] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: put a '#' at the beginning of the line starting with 'update-rc.d'
[06:44] <Clarrisa_2008> ok
[06:45] <TheSheep> that comments it out
[06:45] <TheSheep> and try the 'dpkg --configure -a' now
[06:45] <feliciano> hi there... Why the firefox font dont change whne I change de xfce fonts??
[06:45] <TheSheep> feliciano: firefox has its own font settings
[06:46] <TheSheep> feliciano: yes, it's stupid, agreed
[06:46] <feliciano> and... where can I change it?? I try whit some content parameters.. but not change
[06:46] <Clarrisa_2008> ok, I changed it
[06:47] <Clarrisa_2008> then ran the dpkg --configure -a.... it just took me back to the prompt
[06:47] <TheSheep> feliciano: edit->preferences->content->fonts&colors->advanced
[06:47] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: then try apt-get -f install
[06:48] <feliciano> TheSheep... which one is the menu font??
[06:48] <Clarrisa_2008> i tmay be giving me the same message it says 2 to remove and 1 not upgraded.... 2 not fullinstalled or removed.  continue...? I say yes
[06:48] <TheSheep> feliciano: ah, no, that one should be taken from the system
[06:49] <Clarrisa_2008> dpkg: error processing courier-authdaemon (--remove):
[06:49] <Clarrisa_2008>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[06:49] <Clarrisa_2008>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[06:49] <Clarrisa_2008> (Reading database ... terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::logic_error'
[06:49] <Clarrisa_2008>   what():  basic_string::_S_construct NULL not valid
[06:49] <Clarrisa_2008> Aborted
[06:49] <Clarrisa_2008> root@ubuntu:/var/lib/dpkg/info# 25802 files and directories currently installed.)
[06:49] <feliciano> TheSheep... that was my question
[06:49] <Clarrisa_2008> Removing courier-base ...
[06:49] <feliciano> TheSheep... :p
[06:49] <feliciano> TheSheep... I change to dejavou the system font... but firefox dont change it
[06:50] <TheSheep> feliciano: probably firefox has a different dpi set than the rest of your system, so the fonts are of different size...
[06:50] <TheSheep> feliciano: or is the font face wrong too?
[06:51] <feliciano> TheSheep... the font is wrong
[06:52] <TheSheep> feliciano: you might want to try to rename or remove the whole .mozilla/firefox directory and let the firefox take the defaults from the system
[06:53] <feliciano> TheSheep... if I delete that folder... firefox going to create again??
[06:53] <TheSheep> feliciano: yes, but you will lose the current settings
[06:54] <TheSheep> feliciano: and bookmarks
[06:54] <feliciano> mmm
[06:54] <feliciano> ok, I'm going to save the bookmarks
[06:57] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: I give up, you might want to ask on #ubuntu -- your problem is not xubuntu specific, so they should be able to help you better
[06:57] <Clarrisa_2008> ok, I don't blame you
[06:57] <feliciano> TheSheep... It didn't works
[06:57] <Clarrisa_2008> you got me Much farther than I was before.
[06:57] <Clarrisa_2008> at least I can login
[06:58] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: you can check here later too -- there will be more people
[06:58] <Clarrisa_2008> but should my breezy's be replaced with edgy's?
[06:58] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: wasn't it dapper?
[06:58] <Clarrisa_2008> yes,
[06:59] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: generally, ubuntu only supports upgrading one version at a time
[06:59] <Clarrisa_2008> what am I running now?
[06:59] <Clarrisa_2008> edgy or dapper?
[06:59] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: part of one and part of the other
[06:59] <Clarrisa_2008> yikes
[07:00] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: don't worry, they are pretty much replaceable
[07:00] <Clarrisa_2008> ok
[07:00] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: but it would be good to have it fixed in the long run
[07:00] <Clarrisa_2008> true
[07:01] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: you might try another thing
[07:01] <Clarrisa_2008> what's wierd is that I can go to my home pages, and run my wordpress blogs, etc... looks like wordpress and mysql and php are working fine
[07:01] <Clarrisa_2008> yes?
[07:01] <Clarrisa_2008> what is that
[07:02] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: check the exact version of your courier-authdaemon (using apt-cache policy), go to http://packages.ubuntu.com, download the .deb for it, and try reinstalling it form that deb witj dpkg -i --reinstall
[07:02] <TheSheep> that might fix it
[07:03] <Clarrisa_2008> ok, tomorrow I'll try that
[07:03] <Clarrisa_2008> thanks again for all of your help!!!
[07:04] <Clarrisa_2008> you rick
[07:04] <Clarrisa_2008> you rock
[07:04] <Clarrisa_2008> and you are very patient
[07:04] <Clarrisa_2008> go to sleep
[07:05] <TheSheep> Clarrisa_2008: hehe, thanks, good luck
[07:05] <Clarrisa_2008> if you think of anything else, send me an email at sandy@lssinc.us
[07:05] <feliciano> firefox dont take the system font
[07:07] <TheSheep> feliciano: you might want to ask at #ubuntu, maybe they will know
[07:08] <feliciano> TheSheep... I found this problem just with some fonts
[07:08] <feliciano> TheSheep... may be the ttf have some kind of problem
[07:08] <TheSheep> feliciano: this is feisty?
[07:09] <feliciano> yepis
[07:09] <TheSheep> feliciano: well, then...
[07:09] <TheSheep> !bugs | feliciano
[07:09] <ubotu> feliciano: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[07:10] <feliciano> do you think this was a bug??
[07:10] <feliciano> TheSheep
[07:11] <TheSheep> feliciano: it is obviously a bug, but it's hard to tell whether it's firefox, fonts, font handling, or just the default configuration
[07:11] <feliciano> And I think if this is a bug of firefox
[07:11] <feliciano> not of ubuntu
[07:11] <TheSheep> feliciano: we gather all bugs there and then let the developers know
[07:12] <TheSheep> feliciano: we say that the bugs are "forwarded upstream"
[07:12] <feliciano> ok... I search if anyone write it yet
[07:12] <TheSheep> you may even find a solution :)
[07:12] <feliciano> then i write the bug... thanks TheSheep
[09:15] <darwin81> Why does the default Xubuntu install have to look like GNOME?
[09:16] <Myrtti> default xubuntu install looks like ubuntu
[09:16] <Myrtti> not even ubuntu looks like gnome
[09:22] <darwin81> Well I never used GNOME outside of Ubuntu, but the screenshot on the GNOME official website looks a lot like the setup of Ubuntu: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.18/notes/C/
[09:22] <darwin81> Myrtti: Well I never used GNOME outside of Ubuntu, but the screenshot on the GNOME official website looks a lot like the setup of Ubuntu: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.18/notes/C/
[09:26] <sigmamu188> is there any way to make the shutdown command with out using sudo
[09:26] <sigmamu188> can i change the privileges of the command
[09:26] <sigmamu188> so that i dont have to type a password when i type it
[09:26] <sigmamu188> '
[09:40] <biouser_> I have lost my panels and rebooting doesn't bring them back
[09:41] <biouser_> hello
[09:41] <biouser_> I have lost my panels and rebooting doesn't bring them back
[09:45] <biouser_> I have lost my panels and rebooting doesn't bring them back
[09:45] <biouser_> !panel
[09:46] <grazie> biouser_: don't keep repeating yourself...folks answer as soon as they can
[09:47] <grazie> biouser_: hit alt+f2 and enter "xfce4-panel"
[09:48] <biouser_> more people had joined
[09:49] <biouser_> sorry
[09:49] <biouser_> that did the trick
[09:49] <biouser_> grazie, now I can just save this session and they will be back on boot?
[09:50] <biouser_> grazie, thanks
[09:52] <biouser_> Ron Paul 2008, please.
[10:17] <darwin81> Does anyone else think that the new release of Xubuntu is more bloated?
[10:24] <darwin81> Does anyone else think that the new release of Xubuntu is more bloated?
[10:56] <Boje> moinsen
[11:08] <Noiano> hello
[11:40] <Catoptromancy> intersting
[11:40] <Catoptromancy> cant drap and drop files anymore
[11:40] <Catoptromancy> with read and write acces
[11:40] <Catoptromancy> on both
[11:43] <Catoptromancy> even more interesting
[11:43] <Catoptromancy> didnt really do anything except close thunar and reopen
[11:43] <Catoptromancy> now it works
[11:43] <Catoptromancy> heh
[11:48] <CoRnJuLiOx> ok, i've just installed a sound card, and when i booted up my PC and got to the desktop, the 'task bar (one w/the start menu in xfce)' didn't show up. its not there and i don't know how to get it back
[11:48] <CoRnJuLiOx> any ideas?
[11:48] <CoRnJuLiOx> i'm on xubuntu 6.06
[11:50] <Catoptromancy> you have at least 1 panel?
[11:51] <CoRnJuLiOx> Catoptromancy: no.
[11:51] <CoRnJuLiOx> nothing. just a desktop
[11:51] <Catoptromancy> does right click bring up a menu?
[11:51] <CoRnJuLiOx> i can get the start menu thing by right clicking, but i need the rest of the bar too
[11:52] <Catoptromancy> try mouse your mouse off screen
[11:52] <Catoptromancy> maybe it changed resolutions
[11:52] <Catoptromancy> and you cant see panels
[11:52] <CoRnJuLiOx> Catoptromancy: doesn't look like it changed resolutions, my mouse doesn't go off screen
[11:53] <Catoptromancy> when it happened to me I held mouse at edge of screen and it scrolled over
[11:53] <Catoptromancy> there should be a panel option in settings
[11:53] <CoRnJuLiOx> Catoptromancy: nope, its the right resolution. i changed resolutions just to be sure.
[11:54] <CoRnJuLiOx> nope
[11:54] <Catoptromancy> there isnt a panel option
[11:54] <CoRnJuLiOx> no panel options in setting
[11:54] <Catoptromancy> but there "should" be one
[11:54] <Catoptromancy> heh
[11:54] <CoRnJuLiOx> there isn't.
[11:54] <Catoptromancy> a few people had this problem in here
[11:54] <CoRnJuLiOx> is there a console command to bring it up?
[11:54] <Catoptromancy> i think it should be added in next version
[11:54] <CoRnJuLiOx> ah, its in the settings manager
[11:54] <CoRnJuLiOx> but clicking on it does nothing
[11:55] <Catoptromancy> panel options?
[11:55] <CoRnJuLiOx> yeah
[11:55] <CoRnJuLiOx> its between orage and preferred applications.
[11:55] <Catoptromancy> im in feisty so menu is a bit different
[11:55] <CoRnJuLiOx> i just downloaded the feisty iso.
[11:55] <Catoptromancy> leave CD in drive and use update manger to install
[11:56] <CoRnJuLiOx> whats the console command to bring up the xfce settings manager
[11:56] <CoRnJuLiOx> i'm saving the CD for my new HD.
[11:56] <Catoptromancy> setting manager all in the right click
[11:56] <CoRnJuLiOx> yeah, but clicking on 'panel' doesn't do anything
[11:56] <Catoptromancy> well no idea other than update
[11:56] <CoRnJuLiOx> i'm hoping to get some output.
[11:57] <Catoptromancy> someone will know in here eventually
[11:57] <Catoptromancy> 6 in the morn pretty slow
[11:57] <Catoptromancy> heh
[11:57] <CoRnJuLiOx> holy hell
[11:57] <CoRnJuLiOx> xfce4-panel fixed it.
[11:57] <Catoptromancy> in terminal?
[11:58] <CoRnJuLiOx> yeah
[11:58] <Catoptromancy> cool
[11:58] <CoRnJuLiOx> i'll remember that.
[11:58] <CoRnJuLiOx> 'when your task bar doesn't appear, try running 'xfce4-panel' in console'
[11:58] <CoRnJuLiOx> :-)
[11:58] <Catoptromancy> good guess
[11:58] <CoRnJuLiOx> thanks for the help
[12:04] <grazie> CoRnJuLiOx: glad you're now sort. losing panels was a common problem on edgy. looks like is still happens on feisty quite often. at least you've learnt how to fix it :)
[12:04] <grazie> sorted*
[12:11] <CoRnJuLiOx> grazie: i'm on dapper.
[12:12] <CoRnJuLiOx> i'm about to burn the feisty iso. edgy doesn't work on me becuase i have a VIA board, and i can't boot it even w/the acpi=force/off option.
[12:14] <grazie> CoRnJuLiOx: sorry missed that...looks like it was a problem on dapper too then
[12:14] <CoRnJuLiOx> grazie: eh. closing the terminal i started it from kills the panel too. is there a config file that i can add xfce4-panel to so i'tll automatically start whenever i log in?
[12:14] <CoRnJuLiOx> i know theres something like that, i just don't know where it is.
[12:16] <grazie> CoRnJuLiOx: yeah that's because your running it in forground. Use "xfce4-panel &" in the terminal or use alt+f2 rather than terminal
[12:17] <grazie> CoRnJuLiOx: the & puts the process into background
[12:17] <CoRnJuLiOx> grazie: ok, thanks
[12:17] <CoRnJuLiOx> will the & shove anything i enter into teh background?\
[12:22] <Catoptromancy> interesting must ttry this $ thing
[12:22] <CoRnJuLiOx> i still lose it when i close the terminal
[12:23] <Catoptromancy> very cool
[12:23] <Catoptromancy> heh 1 program I always have running I needed the terminal open for, just put an & and the of the shell
[12:24] <Catoptromancy> CoRnJuLiOx, I guess you could me a shell for it
[12:25] <Catoptromancy> make a
[12:25] <Catoptromancy> not sure how to have it auto start
[12:25] <Catoptromancy> put an & at end of script
[12:26] <grazie> CoRnJuLiOx: that shouldn't happen....did you try the alt+f2 method?
[12:27] <CoRnJuLiOx> grazie: alt+f2 does nothing
[12:28] <grazie> CoRnJuLiOx: erm...maybe not supported on dapper...I don't know for sure
[12:28] <CoRnJuLiOx> ctrl+alt+f2 brings me to something like a terminal, but it says 'tty' at the top.
[12:32] <grazie> CoRnJuLiOx: that's  a virtual console...works for f1 to f6 as well. use ctrl+alt+f7 to return to desktop
[01:11] <CoRnJuLiOx> if i were to upgrade using the xubuntu cd, would i need any extra space on my HD (i don't have much left)
[02:15] <Catoptromancy> CoRnJuLiOx, how much space left?
[02:17] <kumamoto> CoRnJuLiOx: yeah but don't know how much space is needed I would say a 1or2GB to be on the safe side
[02:18] <CoRnJuLiOx> Catoptromancy: less than 1 GB left
[02:18] <CoRnJuLiOx> :-/
[02:18] <CoRnJuLiOx> 30GB drives just don't cut it.
[02:20] <Catoptromancy> I guess you could make a CD and backup some files, then erase them, update
[02:20] <Catoptromancy> and see how much space there is to put them back
[02:20] <Catoptromancy> heh I have 40gbs of MP3s on DVDs
[02:20] <Catoptromancy> they just dont fit
[02:20] <Catoptromancy> on a HD
[02:22] <Catoptromancy> make sure to keep double space for a CD burn
[02:22] <Catoptromancy> 600mb left only make a 300 mb cd
[02:31] <kumamoto> CoRnJuLiOx: go buy a new drive they are now cheap 250GB below $100
[02:31] <CoRnJuLiOx> kumamoto: yeah, i'm waiting on a new drive
[02:31] <CoRnJuLiOx> 160 GB
[02:31] <CoRnJuLiOx> w00t.
[02:31] <kumamoto> nice
[02:38] <kumamoto> anyone running any dev software in xubuntu like say bluefish?
[04:25] <kalikiana_> kumamoto, I am running glade2 and scite for development, if that helps.
[04:31] <asmith42a> What is the command to open an xcfe terminal?
[04:34] <kalikiana_> asmith42a, Just 'Terminal'.
[04:34] <kalikiana_> Or start it from Applications->System->Terminal.
[04:34] <Merchelo> apital t
[04:34] <asmith42a> I thought so, but that didn't work. Ubotu says xfce4-terminal. I'll try that
[04:35] <asmith42a> That worked.
[04:35] <asmith42a> Thanks.
[04:35] <asmith42a> I was putting a launcher in the panel and needed the command.
[04:41] <kumamoto> kalikiana_: can u access say a file at a given url
[04:41] <kumamoto> am using scite too but don't want to upload and download files all the time want do devs in realtime
[04:43] <kalikiana_> kumamoto, What you want sounds like a wish which is technically impossible. Use svn or something similar.
[06:17] <xjkx> sudo apt-get install w32codecs isnt working
[06:17] <xjkx> !w32codecs
[06:17] <xjkx> !codecs
[06:20] <kalikiana_> !mp3
[06:22] <kalikiana_> xjkx, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75278
[06:22] <xjkx> i play mp3 :P
[06:22] <xjkx> but i dont play good videos
[06:22] <xjkx> some~
[06:22] <xjkx> -reads-
[06:22] <kalikiana_> !restricted
[06:22] <kalikiana_> !seveas
[06:22] <xjkx> compilation :<
[06:23] <kalikiana_> Hm...
[06:23] <xjkx> apt-get should work =D
[06:23] <kalikiana_> xjkx, You need a repository with the package, it's not in the official repos. ;)
[06:24] <kalikiana_> Well, bbl. Good luck xjkx.
[06:24] <somerville32> kalikiana_ :)
[06:28] <xjkx> thanks
[06:30] <hyper_ch> hiho
[06:30] <jadhg> hi
[06:31] <jadhg> so, if a person wanted to have power management on a laptop for, I don't know, maybe not have it suspend on closing, what would be the XFCE equivalent?
[06:41] <jadhg> welcome
[06:42] <jadhg> btw, aside from an applet, one way to do what I was looking for above is to edit /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn and remove the script action= talks about
[06:42] <jadhg> but I was hoping for something more gui for the rest of the userbase
[06:43] <mikey-x> does the latest xubuntu release come packed with beryl working out of the box?
[06:43] <somerville32> No.
[06:44] <mikey-x> hmm
[06:44] <mikey-x> but regular ubuntu does?
[06:44] <mikey-x> is that desktop environment specific ?
[06:45] <jadhg> well the most support for it has been written in gnome and kde
[06:46] <jadhg> and the window decorators I know of are for gnome
[06:46] <Jester45> mikey-x: ubuntu has compiz not beryl
[06:46] <jadhg> so it might conflict with some items in xubuntu
[06:46] <ZenDJiNN> somerville32, it doesn't take a lot to get ot working in xubuntu, although it's still a bit flaky. :)
[06:46] <Jester45> mikey-x: compiz is stabler but has some gnome parts so its not going to be in xubuntu or kubuntu becuase they are not gnome
[06:46] <jadhg> oh hey, i'll ask once more and then stop, is there a gui power management "thing" for xubuntu?
[06:47] <mikey-x> oh ok
[06:48] <Jester45> its pretty easy to get beryl working if you have open source direct rendering support
[06:50] <Jester45> run "sudo glxinfo| grep rendering" and if you get a yes then you should just install beryl and it will be ready (install beryl manager also its lots of help)
[06:56] <Jester45> can you theme gtk1?
[08:12] <Rynux91> >_>
[08:12] <Rynux91> <_<
[08:14] <Rynux91> anyone here that is actually here and possibly help me with a puzzling problem?
[08:16] <hyper_ch> !question | Rynux91
[08:17] <Rynux91> everytime I try to open Terminal to some some stuff...the desktop crashes...
[08:17] <Rynux91> to do some stuff*
[08:17] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: don't open the terminal then
[08:18] <Rynux91> but I need the terminal to install java...or automatix...
[08:19] <hyper_ch> you don't need automatix
[08:19] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: what does syslog say?
[08:20] <Rynux91> where is the syslog on Xubuntu?...I'm a newbie here
[08:20] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: /var/log/syslog
[08:22] <Rynux91> hmm
[08:26] <Rynux91> ok..
[08:26] <Rynux91> it says...
[08:26] <hyper_ch> !restricted
[08:26] <Rynux91> May 25 14:23:48 ryan-linux gconfd (ryan-4803): Received signal 15, shutting down cleanly
[08:27] <hyper_ch> there's more in syslog I tend to think
[08:27] <Rynux91> May 25 14:23:48 ryan-linux gconfd (ryan-4803): Exiting
[08:27] <Rynux91> May 25 14:23:48 ryan-linux gdm[4461] : gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0
[08:27] <Rynux91> 24:08 ryan-linux gconfd (ryan-5684): starting (version 2.18.0.1), pid 5684 user 'ryan'
[08:28] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: something has messed up your x-server it seems
[08:28] <Rynux91> 24:08 ryan-linux gconfd (ryan-5684): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only configuration source at position 0
[08:28] <Rynux91> hmm
[08:28] <Rynux91> any way to fix it?
[08:29] <abd> men , how can I know PC on network (as " net view on win32)
[08:30] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: I have no real clue what the problem is
[08:30] <Rynux91> hmm
[08:30] <hyper_ch> what does this return:  sudo ls -al /etc/gconf/xml*
[08:30] <Rynux91> -.-''
[08:30] <hyper_ch> sorry
[08:31] <hyper_ch> what does this return:  sudo ls -al /etc/gconf/gconf*
[08:31] <Rynux91> how do I do that in terminal...if terminal crashes the desktop everytime I run it?
[08:32] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: try booting in safe mode
[08:32] <abd> men , how can I know PC on network (as " net view" on win32)........
[08:32] <Rynux91> explain how to boot in safe mode (still a newbie)
[08:32] <hyper_ch> well, safe mode is one of the options when you restart your computer
[08:33] <Rynux91> I'm assuming a press Esc...
[08:33] <Rynux91> I*
[08:33] <hyper_ch> you need to reboot
[08:33] <Rynux91> ok
[08:33] <Rynux91> bbl then
[08:36] <abd> hey geeks , how can I know PC on network (as "net view" on win32)........
[08:37] <hyper_ch> abd: what do you mean?
[08:38] <abd> on win32 "net view " tell me how is on the LAN --> what we do in linux ?
[08:38] <abd> who*
[08:40] <hyper_ch> I know who on my lan is
[08:41] <Rynux91> I think I mistyped the command >_<
[08:41] <hyper_ch> abd: open synaptic or adept and search for net, network or stuff like that
[08:42] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: sudo ls -al /etc/gconf/gconf*
[08:43] <Rynux91> ah
[08:43] <Rynux91> I forgot the space inbetween -al and /etc
[08:43] <abd> I'm asking if there's a command .. not softw!!
[08:43] <Rynux91> bbl(again)
[08:44] <hyper_ch> abd: maybe there is sw for it
[08:44] <abd> no sw in bash
[08:49] <Jester45> -rf i think
[08:50] <vidd> " invalid option -- r"
[08:50] <Jester45> hi vidd :)
[08:50] <vidd> hello Jester45
[08:50] <Jester45> i tend not to look at the names first
[08:50] <Jester45> -fd?
[08:51] <hyper_ch> vidd: sudo rm -Rf /path/to/dir
[08:51] <Jester45> aa
[08:51] <Jester45> so close
[08:51] <hyper_ch> ok, sudo may not be required... depending on the permissions
[08:52] <vidd> thankya much hyper_ch
[08:52] <hyper_ch> yw
[08:52] <Jester45> hyper_ch: would you know how to take a screenshot with cli?
[08:52] <vidd> ty Jester45 for your attempt =] 
[08:52] <Jester45> so i can bind it to a button
[08:52] <hyper_ch> Jester45: yes
[08:53] <hyper_ch> Jester45: I found a tut on it... I'll pastebin it
[08:53] <Jester45> :) i was close one little shift away
[08:53] <vidd> 3 letters off
[08:55] <hyper_ch> Jester45: imagemagick plus that script... http://phpfi.com/236927
[08:55] <hyper_ch> now he left
[08:56] <Jester45> sorry about that
[08:56] <Jester45> beryl killed all my windows
[08:56] <Rynux91> ok..
[08:56] <hyper_ch> Jester45: imagemagick plus that script... http://phpfi.com/236927
[08:56] <hyper_ch> Jester45: don't use beryl
[08:56] <Jester45> why not
[08:56] <Jester45> its fun
[08:56] <Rynux91> it says...
[08:57] <hyper_ch> cool... dell has notebooks with ubuntu:   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=454386
[08:57] <hyper_ch> but it's US only so far I think
[08:57] <Rynux91> /ect/gconf.xml.defaults:
[08:57] <Rynux91> total 8
[08:57] <Jester45> yea if i get a notebook i wanna get one of those
[08:58] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: what about the rest? there should be more.. like the permissions
[08:58] <Jester45> the only thing keeping from geting one then putting linux on it is compatiblity problems
[08:58] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: that's why I posted:  sudo ls -al .....
[08:58] <Rynux91> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    0 Apr 15 09:19 %gconf-tree.xml
[08:59] <Rynux91> I'm copying it line by line..
[08:59] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: it's ok
[08:59] <Rynux91> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 15 09:19 .
[09:00] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: run this:   sudo chmod -R 0755/etc/gconf
[09:00] <Rynux91> drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Apr 15 09:17 ..
[09:00] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: run this:   sudo chmod -R 0755 /etc/gconf
[09:00] <Rynux91> (blank line)
[09:00] <hyper_ch> Jester45: got the script for making screenshots?
[09:02] <Rynux91> /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory:
[09:02] <Rynux91> total 8
[09:02] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: did you run what I told you?
[09:02] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: run this:   sudo chmod -R 0755 /etc/gconf
[09:02] <Rynux91> I have to reboot to do that >_<
[09:02] <hyper_ch> do that
[09:03] <Rynux91> k
[09:03] <Rynux91> away with me!
[09:04] <Jester45> o
[09:04] <Jester45> umm
[09:04] <Jester45> i got sidetracked
[09:04] <Jester45> setting shortcut
[09:05] <hyper_ch> Jester45: why shortcut? I thought you wanted it to run from cli=?
[09:06] <Jester45> i do im making it a keyboard short cut
[09:06] <Jester45> i dont want to have to open a program or click a panel button
[09:07] <hyper_ch> Jester45: ah ok... well, I did the full screen associate with printscreen
[09:07] <hyper_ch> Jester45: and windows only with shift-printscreen
[09:09] <Jester45> k
[09:09] <Rynux91> that command didn't do anything...
[09:10] <Rynux91> unless I have a typo..
[09:10] <Rynux91> could you show me that command again...
[09:10] <Jester45> that script isnt commented out right
[09:10] <hyper_ch> Rynux91:   sudo chmod -R 0755 /etc/gconf
[09:10] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: well, it does something.... if you don't get any error message, then the command run fine
[09:11] <Rynux91> oh
[09:11] <Rynux91> ok
[09:11] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: right now your permissions on the files are wrong and I set them correct again
[09:11] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: so it may all be good now
[09:11] <Rynux91> well..I was expecting a response or something...
[09:11] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: try to run some cli command
[09:12] <Rynux91> ok...did I misinterpret what you said?
[09:15] <Jester45> it worked
[09:15] <dobbbob> is there a program that will let me change the default power governors? i want to use powersave when running on battery
[09:16] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: well, does it work now fine for you when you run something from the cli or is x-server still crashing?
[09:16] <Rynux91> still crashing
[09:18] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: hmmm, then I don't know... it seems your system has somewhat be bugged... the permissions of that folder were wrnog and I think more stuff is wrong on your cojmputer.... what you have done so far?
[09:19] <Rynux91> hmm
[09:19] <Rynux91> this is a fresh install of Xubuntu...
[09:19] <Rynux91> so far I haven't done anything...
[09:20] <Rynux91> the computer was having issues with xp though...which is why I replaced it with this...
[09:20] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: didn't you say something about automatix?
[09:20] <unikon> Rynux91 you did the right thing
[09:20] <unikon> installing Xubuntu that is
[09:21] <Rynux91> I had Xubuntu on this PC before...
[09:21] <zbrown> is there a way to get the Update-manager to run in the task bar when there are updates available?
[09:21] <Rynux91> then I formatted the hard drive and installed this on the entire hard drive...
[09:21] <Rynux91> I did say something about automatix...
[09:22] <hyper_ch> zbrown: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:22] <Rynux91> on the last install of Xubuntu...I used automatix to install Java...
[09:22] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: hmmm, strange.... I thought maybe automatix has corrupted something...
[09:22] <Rynux91> nope...
[09:22] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: java can easily be installed
[09:22] <Rynux91> this computer doesn't have anything installed that I have done...
[09:23] <Rynux91> everything that's on here is from the install disk...
[09:23] <zbrown> hyper_ch: I need it to be in gui mode for my dad
[09:23] <zbrown> well actually i'll just ssetup a cron-job for it...
[09:23] <Lectus> I think Java is available at Add/Remove programs... I might me wrong...
[09:23] <hyper_ch> zbrown: sorry, didn't read right
[09:23] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: I'd tend to think another clean install would probably be the best
[09:24] <Rynux91> ok
[09:24] <Rynux91> no worries :)
[09:24] <Rynux91> thank goodness I don't use this computer for anything important :P
[09:24] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: it's really strange that the permissions were not right
[09:25] <Rynux91> so do you think I should burn a new CD?
[09:25] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: I don't think it's cd related...
[09:25] <Rynux91> hmm
[09:25] <Rynux91> ok
[09:25] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: otherwise it should have reported errors during installation
[09:26] <Rynux91> ah
[09:26] <Rynux91> ok
[09:26] <Lectus> Rynux91, Why do you need automatix to install Java? Go to add/remove programs, select all available packages and search for Java
[09:26] <Lectus> actually xubuntu makes it very easy to install programs =] 
[09:26] <Rynux91> oh..
[09:26] <Rynux91> that's easier then 6.06
[09:26] <Rynux91> lol
[09:26] <Lectus> yeah
[09:26] <Lectus> 7.04 rulez
[09:26] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: or use command line... you can where you can write your own installation script that will make a total reinstall quite painless
[09:27] <Rynux91> I switched from 6.06 to 7.04...big change imo
[09:27] <unikon> how so
[09:27] <Rynux91> well...
[09:27] <Rynux91> there is a trash bin..
[09:27] <Lectus> yes... 7.04 even asks if want to install mp3 support libraries... in 6.06 it's needed to install it by hand
[09:27] <Rynux91> the floppy drive and file system are on the desktop..
[09:28] <Rynux91> the menu is differnt..
[09:28] <Lectus> Rynux91: You can customized it to look how you want
[09:28] <unikon> prefers a minimalist desktop
[09:28] <Rynux91> I know...
[09:28] <Rynux91> I love that
[09:28] <Lectus> I'm using Aqua theme... it rox
[09:28] <Rynux91> I'm still using the same theme...
[09:29] <Rynux91> but I changed the panels a bit...
[09:30] <hyper_ch> unikon: Rynux91: Lectus: here's my small install script... the first few packages need user feedback... the rest is auto-installed... I have /home on a seperate partiton - meaning I don't need ton configure the programs anymore...   http://phpfi.com/236933
[09:30] <Rynux91> so how do you use the script? (still a newbie)
[09:31] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: well, you will have to have the repositoires and then you just run it by:   sudo sh script.sh
[09:31] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: But that is what I use.... for you it may be other things
[09:31] <Lectus> I'm still newbie on Linux too.
[09:31] <Lectus> hyper_ch: Thanks for the script. I'm learning a lot with it.
[09:31] <Rynux91> well...I'm new to linux...so I currently have no methods to anything...
[09:31] <hyper_ch> and I use aptitude because I want to have the recommended packages also...
[09:32] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: if you are low on diskspace you would use apt-get instead of aptitude
[09:32] <Rynux91> this computer has 40GB
[09:32] <Lectus> python is also good for creating automation scripts
[09:33] <hyper_ch> Lectus: this is all bash... very simple commands :)
[09:33] <hyper_ch> Lectus: it just runs a set of commands that you can enter in the terminal also
[09:33] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: I have almost 900GB
[09:33] <Jester45> like a windows bat file... if you know about them
[09:34] <Rynux91> wow lol
[09:34] <hyper_ch> yes, good comparision Jester45
[09:34] <Lectus> hyper_ch, really time saver. I'll create my own script so everytime I reinstall xubuntu I'll run it and get my programs back without the need for sitting down and typing every command.
[09:34] <Rynux91> my personal computer has 160GB main drive and a 80GB backup drive devided in 2 and the second drive for a possible future in linux...
[09:35] <hyper_ch> Lectus: just be sure to backup the sources.list and appropriate files
[09:36] <Lectus> Xubuntu is by far the best distribution I've tried. I love having the same Ubuntu repos and still a light and fast desktop (XFCE) that looks beautiful! I'll never migrate to Vista! Xubuntu suits my needs! :D
[09:37] <hyper_ch> Lectus: tried fluxbox yet?
[09:37] <hyper_ch> as desktop
[09:37] <Lectus> yes, but XFCE looks more beautiful
[09:37] <Rynux91> I have a vista laptop...I would've used XP except Compaq wont let me get XP
[09:38] <Rynux91> Vista is pretty differnt then XP
[09:38] <Jester45> thats one thing i hate about MS, they will not let you keep their semi good versions
[09:38] <Lectus> Vista is too bloated
[09:38] <Jester45> and they force bad ones at you
[09:38] <Rynux91> but vista is as compatible as Xubuntu running wine when it comes to running programs :(
[09:39] <Lectus> I'm dual booting XP, but as soon as they stop supporting it I'll use only Linux (more especifically Ubuntu and it's friends).
[09:39] <Rynux91> I used to dual boot XP...
[09:39] <Lectus> I'll stopping upgrading my machine just for running the newer but not more secure windows version
[09:40] <Rynux91> but it became as unstable as a drunk guy on a unicycle going across a power line...
[09:40] <Lectus> My XP is very messy. I don't even boot it anymore except for games
[09:41] <hyper_ch> well, I wouldn't worry so much about vista being bloated but more about what the NSA has to do with Vista
[09:41] <Jester45> im like you Lectus
[09:41] <Jester45> vista is helping fix bug #1
[09:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[09:41] <Lectus> Xubuntu looks so much more organized. I don't have unused DLLs on my system anymore, thanks to the excelent package managing
[09:41] <hyper_ch> I just wonder how any company/government/lawyer/.... can use windoze... they can't know what is being reported to the NSA
[09:41] <Rynux91> most of the computers except this one run Windows..
[09:42] <Rynux91> mostly because I can't find a reason to switch what works...
[09:42] <Rynux91> I only switch when Windows doesn't work..
[09:44] <Lectus> I'm actually running Linux for learning and trrying programming here (too much windows programming gets boring). I'm day by day trying to get people in my home to use linux, so one day I can safely uninstall Windows and do my gaming on a PS3 with the money I saved from Windows. :D
[09:44] <Rynux91> the computer sitting next to this one runs windows...is only a year older then this one and runs windows fine...this one became so unstable...windows kept crashing everytime I opened more then 3 apps...
[09:44] <hyper_ch> Lectus: don't try to persuade them too hard... they could be disappointed if they try and some stuff doesn't run out of the box
[09:45] <hyper_ch> Lectus: I rather make such comments as: "oh viruses? I don't have to worry about them anymore"
[09:45] <Jester45> or get everything working first then show them
[09:45] <Rynux91> I'm not pushing anyone to use linux...just explaining it...
[09:45] <hyper_ch> Lectus: or "gee your personal firewall is hogging down the system"
[09:45] <hyper_ch> Lectus: "I haven't had any BSOD for years...."
[09:46] <Rynux91> honestly...I want a mac with bootcamp...
[09:46] <Lectus> yes... my sister is really impressed on how programs load so much faster on xubuntu than winxp
[09:46] <Rynux91> I convert all old unstable machines to linux...
[09:46] <Jester45> hyper_ch: how about "O wow so you have to manualy update your programs" or "tell me again why you have 2 firewalls"
[09:46] <hyper_ch> the thing my mom likes is that it's very easy to get programs
[09:47] <Rynux91> although if all my family switched to linux...I'd be less needed...and lose money :S
[09:47] <Rynux91> or I'll still be needed...just for differnt reasons..
[09:47] <hyper_ch> well, my mom hardly calls me anymore since she has been accustomed to linux
[09:48] <Rynux91> currently...I help my family with thier computers with common windows problems...or switching from a old computer to a new one..
[09:48] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: actually you could charge them if everything is running fine with their computers... something like an uptime guarantee instead of a downtime one :)
[09:48] <Lectus> I think most newbie windows users won't use Linux because they are educated to think "Windows is the computer and IE is the internet". They doesn't know what an OS is. They think Windows is part of the computer. So Linux looks very hackish and unprofession. This is the hard part of migrating newbie windows users to linux.
[09:48] <Rynux91> nah...
[09:48] <Jester45> you could always make a remote x session and do stuff for them from your computer :) while they still can work
[09:49] <Rynux91> my friend thought linux was a virus...
[09:49] <Lectus> LOL
[09:49] <Rynux91> so he thought I was some sort of hacker when I told him I play with linux...
[09:49] <hyper_ch> well, linux does fit some specifics of a virus more than windows does
[09:50] <hyper_ch> virii are small
[09:50] <hyper_ch> they are efficient programmed
[09:50] <hyper_ch> they work
[09:50] <Jester45> user base is growing
[09:50] <Lectus> this is very common thought. Newbie people look at Windows and think it's the only true OS, because it comes already installed. All other OS are hacker thing and should not be touched.
[09:50] <Rynux91> one issue I have with linux is there are so many distros...
[09:51] <Rynux91> it's as confusing as picking a version of windows vista... :S
[09:51] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: that's just your brainwashed windows thinking
[09:51] <Rynux91> only it's alot cheaper :P
[09:51] <Lectus> yes... I installed too much distros
[09:51] <hyper_ch> m$ fucked up to have relesed so many versions of vista
[09:51] <Jester45> Rynux91: you have to look at it positivly, wide range of choices
[09:51] <Lectus> and still can't decide
[09:52] <Jester45> just make a extra partition and have fun
[09:52] <Lectus> the choices are good, but every distro has good and bad things which makes it hard to decide
[09:52] <Rynux91> well...the advantage I'll admit is the fact I can burn myself a disk of a distro to try it out...and not worry about cost...and installing linux is rediculously easy...
[09:52] <Rynux91> when I first installed xubuntu...I whent..."wait...that's it?"
[09:52] <Lectus> I think xubuntu is great balance of usability, lightness and good-looking. That's why I use it.
[09:52] <Rynux91> thankfully I've never had to install windows from scratch...
[09:53] <Jester45> i tried about 10 but i came back to xubuntu ubuntu was close but not customiable and kubuntu was to bloated, debian was hard to get working and was a mixture of kde and gnome stuff
[09:53] <Rynux91> I've had the disks that emachines gives out...
[09:53] <Jester45> gentoo just takes to long
[09:53] <Rynux91> I'd love to try fedora core but it has too many disks...
[09:54] <Jester45> get a dvd or a few :0
[09:54] <Lectus> I'm waiting fedora 7 that will come in live CD
[09:54] <Lectus> I prefer installable live CD distros
[09:54] <Rynux91> most of the windows...now linux users(or half and half) run fedora core....
[09:54] <Lectus> that's why I like ubuntu and its friends
[09:55] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: what makes you think that moste linux userss run fc?
[09:55] <Rynux91> the only thing I use linux for is for the most basic purposes...
[09:55] <Rynux91> such as writing documents...
[09:55] <Rynux91> checking my email..
[09:55] <Lectus> Rynux91, on such poor machines you could try puppy linux that runs off CD, USB pen drive or HD. And it runs fully in RAM freeing up the CD drive.
[09:56] <Jester45> dsl does that also
[09:56] <Lectus> 90mb distro
[09:56] <Rynux91> I tired Damn Small Linux...but the graphics were messed up...
[09:56] <hyper_ch> Lectus: I use DSL
[09:56] <Lectus> I prefer puppy over DSL
[09:56] <Lectus> nicer default programs
[09:56] <Jester45> dsl in a ram disc is fast
[09:56] <Lectus> more customizable
[09:56] <Rynux91> that and DSL didn't click with me the way Xubuntu does...
[09:57] <Jester45> dsl is smaller
[09:57] <Rynux91> true...
[09:57] <Rynux91> I don't need too small though...
[09:57] <Lectus> for desktop use I like Xubuntu better
[09:57] <Lectus> but as portable distro Puppy or DSL or Slax are good
[09:57] <Rynux91> just something for 1Ghz Celeron and 256MB of RAM
[09:57] <Jester45> i have dsl on a usb drive and i use it at school
[09:58] <hyper_ch> Jester45: same here.... DSL, OOo, ... that's what I used to write on my master thesis at uni
[09:58] <Rynux91> kinda funny...
[09:58] <Rynux91> I use alot of non microsoft programs on windows...
[09:58] <Lectus> hyper_ch, did you try Puppy?
[09:58] <Jester45> many programs are non ms
[09:59] <Rynux91> mostly since I can't afford M$ Software
[09:59] <hyper_ch> Lectus: nope
[09:59] <hyper_ch> M doesn't have many programs
[09:59] <Rynux91> although I do like windows live...I'll give them that...
[09:59] <hyper_ch> they basically have three things
[09:59] <hyper_ch> windows, windows server and office
[09:59] <Rynux91> but I use portable apps most places I go...
[10:00] <Lectus> hyper_ch, try it. I liked it better than DSL. And it can be remastered with 1 click and then selecting packages to remove or install, and then creating new ISO. I remastered Puppy with IceWM, nice themes and only the appz I need with very little linux knowledge.
[10:00] <Rynux91> I have firefox portable, gaim portable, thunderbird portable, OO.o portable...
[10:00] <Rynux91> sudoku portable :)
[10:01] <hyper_ch> the only thing I added to dsl was OOo
[10:01] <hyper_ch> but that's linux... it's about choices
[10:01] <Rynux91> http://portableapps.com/
[10:01] <Rynux91> I love my portable apps...
[10:03] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: :)
[10:05] <Rynux91> I use OO.o on my machine since I couldn't get word 2003 because I don't have a internet connection on my personal computer
[10:05] <Rynux91> I use firefox on all the windows machines that have internet connections...
[10:05] <Rynux91> I was going to use OO.o on my sister's machine...but her PSU is dead :S
[10:06] <hyper_ch> OOo I had problems with Office for styling even a 15page scientific paper
[10:06] <Rynux91> hmm
[10:06] <hyper_ch> OOo is much better at consistent styling across the whole document
[10:07] <Rynux91> I also use google docs and spreadsheets so I can transfer documents really quick...
[10:07] <Lectus> yes google docs rulez... no need to install word procesor
[10:07] <Lectus> processor*
[10:08] <hyper_ch> haven't tried writing a doc on google yet
[10:08] <hyper_ch> but I have some spreadsheets online... of course only non-confidential stuff
[10:09] <Rynux91> hmm
[10:09] <Rynux91> yeah...
[10:10] <Rynux91> I don't honestly have anything confidential past counting how many pennies I have in the jar and each mint and year they were...
[10:10] <hyper_ch> I do have confidential stuff
[10:11] <Rynux91> I'd assume you would...you're problobly 20 years older then me...
[10:11] <Rynux91> or at least 15...
[10:11] <hyper_ch> dunno
[10:11] <hyper_ch> older than 15
[10:11] <Rynux91> hmm
[10:12] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: did you reinstall already?
[10:12] <Rynux91> not yet
[10:12] <Rynux91> I reinstall tonight...
[10:12] <Rynux91> problobly at 2am...
[10:13] <hyper_ch> you're way behind ;)
[10:13] <Rynux91> why do your colours keep changing?
[10:14] <hyper_ch> because of a setting
[10:14] <Jester45> it changes when he says your nam
[10:14] <Jester45> e
[10:14] <Rynux91> hmm
[10:14] <Jester45> like
[10:15] <Jester45> Rynux91: this
[10:15] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: it's called highlighting
[10:15] <Rynux91> oh
[10:15] <Rynux91> ok
[10:15] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: it alerts the other so he'll know he ha a new mesage
[10:15] <Rynux91> useful...
[10:15] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: this is especially nice when there's much talk in a channel so that you can follow it
[10:15] <Rynux91> ok...question...
[10:15] <hyper_ch> in *ubuntu it's good manner to highlight... in other channels it isnt
[10:16] <Rynux91> ...
[10:16] <Rynux91> wait
[10:16] <Rynux91> nevermind..
[10:16] <Rynux91> forgot :S
[10:16] <hyper_ch> and you have tab completion... writ the first 2-3 letters of the name and then press TAB
[10:16] <Rynux91> hyper_ch: like this?
[10:16] <hyper_ch> Rynux91: yeppa
[10:17] <Rynux91> ok
[10:17] <Lectus> Does anyone know any free online storage service for backing up documents and such?
[10:17] <Jester45> if there is more than 1 way after the first 2 or 3 then a list of names appear
[10:17] <hyper_ch> and once you have highlighted, you can just press tab again for the next thing
[10:17] <hyper_ch> you don't need to write the first 2-3 letters
[10:17] <hyper_ch> Rynux91:
[10:17] <hyper_ch> Rynux91:
[10:17] <hyper_ch> Rynux91:
[10:17] <Rynux91> oh...now I remember...
[10:17] <Rynux91> are there any apps that can sync with a ipod?
[10:17] <hyper_ch> !ipod
[10:18] <Jester45> Lectus: i could let you store it on my ftp server
[10:18] <hyper_ch> oh, ubotu doesn't work here
[10:18] <Jester45> Rynux91: um yea
[10:18] <Jester45> i have to remeber
[10:18] <Rynux91> I have a video ipod...so...
[10:18] <hyper_ch> Lectus: for  20.- you can already rent a full server
[10:18] <Rynux91> I was looking around and one program was imcompatible with modern ipods...
[10:19] <unikon> Any of you plan on buying one of the new Dells http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
[10:22] <hyper_ch> unikon: once they offer it in Switzerland
[10:22] <unikon>  true
[10:22] <Lectus> hyper_ch, how easy is it to install DSL to USB pen? I think I'll try it for a presentation at uni...
[10:23] <hyper_ch> Lectus: hmm, the only problem I had was to have it format to fat32
[10:23] <hyper_ch> tjat was an issue at first
[10:23] <Lectus> but it seems my mp3 player is already FAT32
[10:23] <Lectus> so, I just need to delete the contents and copy DSL files?
[10:24] <hyper_ch> Lectus: I found a howto somehwer
[10:24] <Rynux91> hmm
[10:25] <Rynux91> I just remembered what I was going to ask about 29 minutes ago...
[10:26] <Rynux91> I want to be able to run java apps I come across online...but I'm unsure which part I need
[10:26] <hyper_ch> I sort of followd a smiliar guide:   http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/01/02/all-in-one-usb-dsl
[10:27] <hyper_ch> I remmeber... that hp-format tool didn't work through vmware....
[10:27] <Lectus> Rynux91, install JRE from add/remove
[10:27] <hyper_ch> so I had to fully use windows
[10:27] <Lectus> hyper_ch, will DSL write to multi-section CD-R like Puppy does?
[10:27] <hyper_ch> Lectus: I thought you wanted to put it on a usb stick?
[10:28] <Lectus> hyper_ch, yes... but just asking
[10:28] <hyper_ch> Lectus: dunno about cd
[10:28] <Lectus> I'm trying DSL on qemu, it has a nice GUI for it's size
[10:28] <Lectus> is it fluxbox you talked about?
[10:29] <hyper_ch> yes it is
[10:31] <jordan_> where can do i get the xubunutu desktop backgrounds?
[10:32] <hyper_ch> jordan_: what do you mean?
[10:33] <jordan_> i have gnome installed and I would like some of the xfce background wallpapers
[10:34] <jordan_> any ideas?
[10:34] <Catoptromancy> google images has alot
[10:34] <hyper_ch> install xubuntu-desktop
[10:34] <hyper_ch> copy them over
[10:35] <hyper_ch> remove xubuntu-desktop
[10:35] <hyper_ch> install xubutnu in a vm
[10:35] <hyper_ch> get the wallpapers
[10:35] <hyper_ch> delete that vm
[10:35] <jordan_> thats a good idea
[10:35] <jordan_> do you use xubuntu?
[10:35] <hyper_ch> yes
[10:35] <jordan_> do you know what folder they would be copied into?
[10:35] <jordan_> if i install xubuntu-deskop?
[10:37] <hyper_ch> in gnome you can select wallpapers from any folder
[10:37] <hyper_ch> but i have no clue where they are stored for xubuntu
[10:37] <jordan_> okay
[10:37] <jordan_> thanks for the ideas
[10:37] <jordan_> ill give em a try
[10:37] <jordan_> i just get sick of the orange bg on gnome
[10:38] <jordan_> and i like those xbunutu ones
[10:39] <bitter> anyone using ppc?
[10:39] <hyper_ch> why not using xubuntu?
[10:40] <bitter> will i be able to dist upgrade to fiesty beta after installing 6.06?
[10:40] <jordan_> im new to ubuntu and a friend (obviously bias) told me that ubuntu is further developed than xubuntu
[10:40] <jordan_> or that it is more stable or something
[10:40] <jordan_> any comments on that?
[10:41] <hyper_ch> xfce is jut a different desktop that does not offer all gimmicks and modification stuff that gnome or kde does
[10:41] <hyper_ch> it's more geared towards low-end machines
[10:42] <jordan_> i have a core 2 duo e6400 so i dont think i need an os geared towards low end pcs
[10:42] <jordan_> what is it missing?
[10:42] <bitter> it's lightweight
[10:42] <bitter> it uses xfce4
[10:42] <Jester45> jordan_: they are at the same level gnome (ubuntu) is older but they still use the same core parts
[10:42] <bitter> rather than gnome
[10:43] <bitter> some people like a minimal system, so xubuntu is for them
[10:43] <jordan_> hmm
[10:43] <jordan_> i like the colors and things of xubuntu
[10:43] <bitter> if you have ubuntu
[10:43] <Jester45> jordan_: you might just like it better and have a few higher end machines but i put xubuntu on them becuase i like it better
[10:43] <hyper_ch> jordan_: only because an os is geared towards low-end machines it doesn't mean you can't use it on a high end machine... I like the simplicity of xubuntu....
[10:43] <maxamillion> jordan_: i am sitting infront of an athlon64 X2 4600+, 2gb ddr2 ram, xfx geforce 7900gtx, dual 21" hi-def lcd panel workstation and i run xubuntu because i like it better
[10:44] <jordan_> what do you guys like about it better?
[10:44] <maxamillion> jordan_: its geared to be lightweight, not feature-less
[10:44] <jordan_> im not opposed to making the switch
[10:44] <hyper_ch> jordan_: it looks nicer, is straight forward... has all the stuff i need...not bloated...
[10:44] <Jester45> i like the interface and the mixutre of customization but simple
[10:44] <hyper_ch> however I run quite a bit of KDE appz
[10:44] <maxamillion> jordan_: for me, i like xfce better than gnome .... gnome is too automated and treats me like i'm an idiot, has too much going on ... i like things to be simple and easy to use ... which is what xfce gives me
[10:45] <maxamillion> so i use it :)
[10:45] <hyper_ch> in the end it's about choice... use what suits you most
[10:45] <maxamillion> agreed
[10:45] <jordan_> so if i install the xubuntu-desktop packet from the packet manager can i be using xubuntu just by changing my session at the login screen?
[10:45] <hyper_ch> the only eye candy that I have is the wallpaper changer and transparency on windows
[10:46] <hyper_ch> jordan_: exactely
[10:46] <jordan_> well, i think im gonna give it a try
[10:46] <hyper_ch> jordan_: be sure to isntall xubuntu with aptitude :   sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[10:46] <bitter> hyper_ch: can i dist upgrade to the feisty beta rather than release?
[10:46] <bitter> since it doesn't exist for ppc yet
[10:46] <Jester45> jordan_: just as a note, you can use all the same programs from ubuntu in xubuntu
[10:46] <maxamillion> jordan_: well, yes and no ... you will be using xubuntu-desktop but xubuntu actually runs faster off a fresh installation compared to a ubuntu+xubuntu-desktop ... but it sounds like your machine would make that small performance hit not even be noticable
[10:46] <hyper_ch> bitter: dunno anything about ppc
[10:47] <jordan_> whats the aptitude install do?
[10:47] <hyper_ch> jordan_: and some of the default install appz will be different from a xubuntu install
[10:47] <maxamillion> bitter: yes, the dist-upgrade will just upgrade to the current feisty repositories regaurdless of if its officially stable
[10:47] <Jester45> aptiude is a smart package installer
[10:47] <hyper_ch> jordan_: aptitude is a command line packager... it's better at handling meta-packages like xubuntu-desktop
[10:47] <jordan_> okay
[10:47] <maxamillion> jordan_: aptitude is god :)
[10:47] <jordan_> thanks for all of your help
[10:47] <jordan_> :)
[10:47] <jordan_> lol
[10:47] <jordan_> well, im gonna restart now
[10:47] <jordan_> be back in a few
[10:47] <maxamillion> jordan_: okies
[10:48] <hyper_ch> jordan_: it takes a little while to download :)
[10:49] <bitter> maxamillion: thanks. is the beta any good?
[10:51] <maxamillion> bitter: not sure, i don't own a ppc machine
[10:52] <bitter> any ppc people hang out in here?
[10:52] <bitter> i've got etch installed on it, maybe i should just stick with that
[10:54] <Jester45> or drapper
[10:54] <hyper_ch> etch is a fine system
[10:54] <maxamillion> bitter: not so many since the project lost official support
[10:55] <maxamillion> bitter: not to be rude, but how experienced of a linux user are you?
[10:55] <hyper_ch> bitter: if a distro runs for you then use that...
[10:55] <bitter> maxamillion: actually pretty well
[10:55] <bitter> maxamillion: i'm just lazy as hell
[10:55] <jordan__> so, no im in xfce but i get an error when I try to open the window manager or window manager tweaks saying, "These settings cannot work with your current window manager"
[10:56] <hyper_ch> jordan__: you have used KDE before?
[10:56] <jordan__> ive seen it
[10:56] <jordan__> tried it back with 6. something
[10:56] <hyper_ch> I mean on what did you install xubuntu now?
[10:56] <maxamillion> bitter: well, if you plan to move away from the *buntu world eventually you should try out debian ... its a little rough around the edges because its still geared towards the advanced crowd, but it has official powerpc support :)
[10:56] <jordan__> but not for lnog
[10:57] <bitter> maxamillion: i had gentoo on this machine before, and i just wanted something with some good binary packages
[10:57] <jordan__> hyper_ch: i installed xubuntu-desktop.  I dont understand your question
[10:57] <maxamillion> jordan__: can you open a terminal and type "ps aux | grep xfwm4" and tell me if that spits anything back at you?
[10:58] <bitter> maxamillion: so, i got etch installed on it, and it's bare except for xfce4 and xorg
[10:58] <maxamillion> bitter: well ubuntu is just a snapshot of the debian unstable repositories and then developed and modified from there, so the userspace experience for system management should be the same and packages are actually more stable in debian ;)
[10:58] <jordan__> maxamillion: it came back with a bunch of numbers
[10:58] <maxamillion> bitter: oh, you have etch installed?
[10:59] <bitter> maxamillion: yes i have etch installed right now
[10:59] <bitter> maxamillion: even boots
[10:59] <maxamillion> bitter: yeah, you kinda have to modify everything from the ground up
[10:59] <jordan__> jordan 15388 0.0  0.7  15364  8140  ?  S
[10:59] <bitter> maxamillion: right
[10:59] <maxamillion> jordan__: what does it say at the end of that line (might have wrapped to a new line)
[11:00] <jordan__> grep xfwm4
[11:00] <bitter> but that's probably less of a pain than installing xubuntu and upgrading, which has a nice default setup i think
[11:00] <bitter> plus, debian actually supports ppc
[11:00] <maxamillion> bitter: here are two screenshots, one from my home machine running xubuntu edgy and the other from my home machine running debian etch: http://swooh.kicks-ass.org/~adam/homeXubuntuEdgy.png .... http://swooh.kicks-ass.org/~adam/debianEtchXfce.png
[11:01] <maxamillion> bitter: after all the modification i do, both look the same and act the same ... but debian is faster and more stable ;)
[11:01] <maxamillion> jordan__: yeah, then that means you aren't running xfwm4
[11:01] <jordan__> hmm...i installed xubuntu-desktop from synaptic, is that not right?
[11:02] <maxamillion> jordan__: which is why the window manager tweaks won't work ... you are probably still running metacity from gnome (which is known to happen)
[11:02] <bitter> yep, that's what i've got on my screen
[11:02] <jordan__> hmm
[11:02] <hyper_ch> jordan__: I told to use   sudo aptitude isntall xubuntu-desktop
[11:02] <jordan__> i had already done it the other way
[11:02] <jordan__> before u said that
[11:02] <bitter> maxamillion: so i'll just tweak it a bit
[11:02] <hyper_ch> jordan__: try it in the terminal
[11:02] <maxamillion> jordan__: in that terminal do "sudo killall metacity" (this will make your desktop look goofy for a minute) and then do "xfwm4 &" and things should be better
[11:02] <jordan__> so i removed the packet, then did it how u said to do it
[11:03] <hyper_ch> jordan__: how much did it download?
[11:03] <jordan__> hmm, not much
[11:03] <jordan__> was very quickl
[11:03] <jordan__> *quick
[11:03] <hyper_ch> it should download a couple of hundred megs
[11:03] <hyper_ch> (I think)
[11:04] <jordan__> maxamillion: metacity: no process  killed
[11:04] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: yeah, i think so ... unless something else he installed previously pulled in a bunch of the deps
[11:04] <maxamillion> jordan__: what? ... hmmm
[11:04] <hyper_ch> jordan__: try in the terminal:  sudo aptitude remove xubuntu-desktop && sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[11:04] <jordan__> when i ran sudo killall metacity it said that no processes were killed
[11:04] <jordan__> ok
[11:05] <jordan__> hyper_ch: I get the following...Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[11:05] <maxamillion> jordan__: yeah, that means metacity isn't running ... and i don't know what would be managing your desktop if that isn't
[11:05] <hyper_ch> jordan__: close synaptic
[11:05] <jordan__> oopps
[11:05] <jordan__> thanks
[11:05] <jordan__> lol
[11:05] <maxamillion> :)
[11:06] <jordan__> well, i did something
[11:06] <jordan__> but not much
[11:06] <jordan__> its already done
[11:06] <hyper_ch> jordan__: post the output here:    www.phpfi.com
[11:07] <jordan__> k
[11:07] <jordan__> i posted it
[11:07] <hyper_ch> paste the url here that you got now
[11:08] <jordan__> http://phpfi.com/236968
[11:08] <maxamillion> whoa ...
[11:08] <maxamillion> yeah, somethings not right
[11:08] <maxamillion> should be pulling in ALOT more packages
[11:08] <hyper_ch> I assume synaptic f**** it up
[11:08] <jordan__> possibly
[11:09] <jordan__> so, am i stuck?
[11:09] <maxamillion> jordan__: not entirely ...
[11:09] <hyper_ch> I think psychocat has all the packages... lemme check
[11:09] <maxamillion> k
[11:09] <maxamillion> psychocat is an awesome resource :)
[11:09] <jordan__> i have beryl installed but it isnt running
[11:09] <jordan__> does that matter?
[11:09] <maxamillion> jordan__: nope
[11:09] <jordan__> can i use beryl with xfce?
[11:09] <maxamillion> jordan__: i think i might even have it around this machine somewhere but i haven't used it in months
[11:09] <Jester45> yes
[11:10] <maxamillion> jordan__: yeah, i used it with xfce for a while ... but beryl ultimately annoys me
[11:10] <jordan__> haha,what aspect?
[11:10] <hyper_ch> http://phpfi.com/236971
[11:11] <maxamillion> jordan__: i mainly just don't see the point, it doesn't make me any more productive
[11:11] <hyper_ch> that should do it
[11:11] <hyper_ch> run that line (it's very, very long)
[11:11] <maxamillion> :P
[11:11] <hyper_ch> what's copy and paste? ^^
[11:12] <hyper_ch> psychocat listed all packages that need to be removed... so my assumption all these need to be isntalled :)
[11:12] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: lol, i would imagine so
[11:12] <jordan__> so this is going to remove the ubuntu desktop?
[11:12] <hyper_ch> jordan__: no, it shouldn't....
[11:13] <hyper_ch> jordan__: befor your press ok.... pastebin the output of what aptitude will do
[11:13] <maxamillion> jordan__: no no, he was saying those are the packages listed to remove xubuntu-desktop so if you do the reverse, it should install it
[11:13] <jordan__> check this: Remove the following packages:
[11:13] <jordan__> ubuntu-desktop
[11:13] <jordan__> Score is -301
[11:13] <jordan__> Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] 
[11:13] <hyper_ch> n
[11:14] <hyper_ch> jordan__: don't accept
[11:14] <hyper_ch> jordan__: trhy this:  http://phpfi.com/236973
[11:14] <jordan__> i keep getting this:
[11:14] <jordan__> Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]  no
[11:14] <jordan__> Resolving dependencies...
[11:14] <jordan__> *** No more solutions available ***
[11:14] <jordan__> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
[11:14] <jordan__> Remove the following packages:
[11:14] <jordan__> ubuntu-desktop
[11:14] <jordan__> Score is -301
[11:14] <jordan__> Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] 
[11:14] <hyper_ch> you neeed to press "n"
[11:15] <jordan__> i tried that too
[11:15] <jordan__> http://phpfi.com/236974
[11:15] <jordan__> now this is what it get with the new one u sent me
[11:16] <hyper_ch> hmmm.... interesting
[11:16] <hyper_ch> everything is already installed...
[11:16] <jordan__> hmm
[11:16] <hyper_ch> what did you do?
[11:16] <hyper_ch> with your system?
[11:16] <jordan__> nothing
[11:16] <jordan__> umm...
[11:16] <jordan__> i installed xubuntu-desktop from synaptic before you told me to do it with the aptitude ones
[11:16] <jordan__> then i went back into synaptic and removed it
[11:17] <jordan__> then i did the stuff from the terminal u asked for
[11:17] <jordan__> including aptitude whatever
[11:17] <jordan__> and now we are at this point
[11:17] <hyper_ch> ok, then do this:
[11:17] <jordan__> im running xfce right now
[11:17] <jordan__> im doing all of this from within xfce
[11:17] <maxamillion> now here is where *buntu meta packages mess things up
[11:18] <hyper_ch> http://phpfi.com/236975
[11:18] <hyper_ch> we'll first remove all the xubuntu packages and reinstall them
[11:20] <hyper_ch> hmmm, maybe he should have logged in first into ubuntu?
[11:20] <jordan> k
[11:20] <maxamillion> as much as i hate to say this, it might be better to use apt-get to install them because it won't perform as many meta package checks (just like synaptic doesn't) and that might resolve the issue
[11:20] <jordan> i just restarted x
[11:20] <hyper_ch> jordan: did it remove all that stuff?
[11:20] <jordan> everything shut down when i ran that last command
[11:20] <maxamillion> mixing package managers can prove to be problematic
[11:20] <jordan> seems like it
[11:21] <jordan> how can i be sure?
[11:21] <jordan> everything closed before i saw a confimation that it was complete
[11:21] <jordan> shall i run it again, but this time from within gnome?
[11:21] <jordan> so that it doesnt shut me out?
[11:21] <hyper_ch> ok, pastebin the output here before again:  http://phpfi.com/236973
[11:22] <jordan> wait, u want me to run that command?
[11:22] <jordan> at that link?
[11:22] <hyper_ch> yes
[11:22] <jordan> k
[11:22] <hyper_ch> but before you say ok, post the output here
[11:23] <jordan> sudo apt-get install abiword abiword-common abiword-plugins anthy gnumeric-common gnumeric-gtk gqview gtk2-engines-xfce gxine hal-cups-utils libaiksaurus-1.2-0c2a libaiksaurus-1.2-data libaiksaurusgtk-1.2-0c2a libanthy0 libchewing3 libchewing3-data libexo-0.3-0 libgdome2-0 libgdome2-cpp-smart0c2a libglib2.0-data libgoffice-0-common libgoffice-gtk-0-3 libgtkmathview0c2a libjpeg-progs libmodplug0c2 libots0 libpcre3 libpulse0 libt
[11:23] <jordan> 1-5 libtagc0 libthunar-vfs-1-2 libwpd-stream8c2a libxfce4mcs-client3 libxfce4mcs-manager3 libxfce4util4 libxfcegui4-4 libxine1 libxvmc1 mousepad mozilla-thunderbird orage python-cups python-exo scim-anthy scim-chewing scim-hangul scim-pinyin system-config-printer thunar thunar-archive-plugin thunar-doc thunar-media-tags-plugin thunar-volman-plugin vim-runtime xarchiver xfburn xfce4-appfinder xfce4-battery-plugin xfce4-clipman-p
[11:23] <jordan> lugin xfce4-cpugraph-plugin xfce4-dict-plugin xfce4-fsguard-plugin xfce4-icon-theme xfce4-mailwatch-plugin xfce4-mcs-manager xfce4-mcs-plugins xfce4-mixer xfce4-mixer-alsa xfce4-mount-plugin xfce4-netload-plugin xfce4-notes-plugin xfce4-panel xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin xfce4-screenshooter-plugin xfce4-session xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin xfce4-systemload-plugin xfce4-taskmanager xfce4-terminal xfce4-utils xfce4-verve-plugin xfce4
[11:23] <jordan> -weather-plugin xfce4-xkb-plugin xfdesktop4 xfprint4 xfwm4 xfwm4-themes xscreensaver xubuntu-artwork-usplash xubuntu-default-settings xubuntu-desktop xubuntu-docs
[11:23] <jordan> wait
[11:23] <hyper_ch> well, use a pastebin
[11:23] <jordan> sorry everyone
[11:23] <jordan> that was a mistake
[11:23] <jordan> how?
[11:23] <jordan> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[11:23] <hyper_ch> www.phpfi.com
[11:23] <hyper_ch> ok, run first:   sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:23] <maxamillion> jordan: please don't flood .... it can result in a ban ;)
[11:23] <jordan> lol
[11:23] <jordan> sorry again
[11:24] <jordan> k
[11:24] <jordan> i ran that
[11:24] <jordan> then what?
[11:24] <hyper_ch> pastebin the output of it
[11:25] <jordan> http://phpfi.com/236979
[11:25] <hyper_ch> now again:   http://phpfi.com/236973
[11:25] <hyper_ch> but before you press ok, pastebin the output
[11:26] <hyper_ch> jordan: ?
[11:26] <jordan> http://phpfi.com/236980
[11:27] <jordan> there is no ok
[11:27] <hyper_ch> that looks a lot better
[11:27] <hyper_ch> login back into xfce session
[11:27] <jordan> ctrl alt backspace?
[11:28] <jordan> then login with xfce session?
[11:28] <hyper_ch> yes
[11:28] <jordan> k
[11:28] <jordan> brb
[11:28] <hyper_ch> or you can normally log out of the session
[11:28] <jordan> thanks for all ur helpeveryone
[11:31] <maxamillion> well that was quite the interesting issue
[11:31] <hyper_ch> he's not back yet
[11:31] <hyper_ch> and it's been now 3min
[11:33] <gilang> dude,why do xubuntu's apps show up on my ubuntu GNOME session?can I hide them?
[11:34] <hyper_ch> gilang: why shouldn't they?
[11:34] <maxamillion> gilang: because gnome's menu is dynamic and will show everything installed ... kde, xfce, or otherwise
[11:34] <hyper_ch> jordan: that took long... something not working?
[11:34] <jordan> hyper_ch: i am back, but i dont have a menu bar on the top or bottom of my screen
[11:34] <gilang> I just don' want them to show up
[11:34] <hyper_ch> jordan: you are back into?
[11:35] <jordan> xfce
[11:35] <jordan> but just a desktop and some folders
[11:35] <maxamillion> jordan: alt+f2 and type in the run dialog that pops up "xfce4-panel &"
[11:35] <jordan> no menu bars
[11:35] <jordan> check run in terminal?
[11:35] <jordan> or leave it unchecked?
[11:35] <maxamillion> jordan: then click "run" and it should be fine, and then make sure to select "save session for future logins" and it shouldn't ever happen again
[11:35] <maxamillion> jordan: no, leave it unchecked
[11:35] <GrueTamer> jordan: if what maxamillion doesnt work, go into the terminal, type "sudo killall xfce4-panel &"
[11:36] <GrueTamer> but it should work fine
[11:36] <jordan> first thing didnt work
[11:36] <maxamillion> :/
[11:36] <GrueTamer> jordan: go into the terminal and type "sudo killall xfce4-panel &"
[11:36] <GrueTamer> see if that works
[11:37] <hyper_ch> jordan: alt+f2 didn't work?
[11:37] <jordan> nope
[11:37] <jordan> no
[11:37] <jordan> alt+f2 didnt work
[11:37] <GrueTamer> hit ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:37] <GrueTamer> itll restart xorg
[11:37] <maxamillion> jordan: ctrl+alt+backspace will kill X ... your gui will go away
[11:37] <GrueTamer> except it comes back for me after that
[11:38] <jordan> http://phpfi.com/236982
[11:38] <GrueTamer> but it if doesnt, its a simple startx away
[11:38] <GrueTamer> jordan: do what maxamillion said now
[11:38] <hyper_ch> if it doesn't come back:    startx       at te terminal
[11:39] <GrueTamer> yeah
[11:39] <jordan> k
[11:39] <jordan> brb
[11:39] <GrueTamer> wait
[11:39] <jordan> k
[11:39] <jordan> ?
[11:39] <GrueTamer> startx will only work if x is killed, so you have to do a ctrl+alt+backspace to kill it
[11:39] <jordan> k
[11:39] <gilang> what is the difference between apt-get install xubuntu-desktop with apt-get xfce4?
[11:39] <maxamillion> it will come back, X is in the run level by default
[11:39] <jordan> when i do ctrl alt backspace it takes me back out to my login prompt
[11:40] <gilang> I mean "apt-get install xfce4"
[11:40] <GrueTamer> gilang: i believe that xubuntu-desktop comes with everything xubuntu comes with, but xfce4 only comes with basic xfce4
[11:40] <GrueTamer> jordan: yeah
[11:40] <jordan> ok
[11:40] <jordan> should i do it now?
[11:40] <maxamillion> gilang: xubuntu-desktop is a meta package that pulls in alot of extras, like abiword, artwork, xfce4-goodies, and everything else that comes with xubuntu by default
[11:40] <hyper_ch> jordan: yes
[11:40] <jordan> k
[11:40] <jordan> brb
[11:40] <gilang> oh I see
[11:41] <jordan> didnt work
[11:41] <hyper_ch> jordan: better now?
[11:41] <jordan> still dont have menu bars
[11:41] <GrueTamer> weird
[11:41] <hyper_ch> press  ALT+F2
[11:41] <GrueTamer> try adding in menu bars manually
[11:41] <hyper_ch> do you get the run prompt?
[11:41] <jordan> alt+f2 then what?
[11:41] <jordan> yeah
[11:41] <hyper_ch> then:   xfce4-panel &
[11:42] <jordan> didnt do anything
[11:42] <hyper_ch> jordan: hmmm....
[11:42] <GrueTamer> hmm...
[11:42] <hyper_ch> jordan: press ALT+F2
[11:42] <jordan> there is what appears to be a tiny little menu at the top left
[11:42] <GrueTamer> with that starish thing?
[11:42] <jordan> just a tall rectangle
[11:42] <jordan> no star thing
[11:42] <GrueTamer> hmm...
[11:42] <hyper_ch> and then do:   sudo apt-get -y install xfce4-panel
[11:43] <GrueTamer> good idea
[11:43] <jordan> run :  sudo apt-get -y install xfce4-panel in alt+f2 dialoge?
[11:43] <hyper_ch> yes
[11:43] <hyper_ch> but there might be a problem
[11:43] <jordan> didnt do anything
[11:44] <hyper_ch> when you right click the desktop, can you create a launcher?
[11:44] <GrueTamer> jordan: take a screenshot of your desktop right now and upload it
[11:44] <jordan> yes
[11:44] <GrueTamer> i want to see what you mean by that rectangle
[11:44] <hyper_ch> create one
[11:44] <jordan> for what?
[11:44] <GrueTamer> because it might be that you lost your menu bar and you just need to make a new one
[11:44] <jordan> create a launcer for what?
[11:44] <GrueTamer> or two, or whatever
[11:44] <hyper_ch> name: terminal
[11:44] <hyper_ch> command: xfce4-terminal
[11:45] <jordan> want me to check userstartup notification or run in terminal?
[11:45] <hyper_ch> just create that launcher
[11:45] <jordan> k
[11:45] <jordan> did
[11:45] <hyper_ch> run it
[11:45] <jordan> GrueTamer: where should i upload to?
[11:46] <hyper_ch> it will open a terminal
[11:46] <jordan> k
[11:46] <jordan> i have a terminal
[11:46] <GrueTamer> jordan: just upload it to imageshack.us if what youre doing right now doesnt help you get your panels back
[11:46] <hyper_ch> good:   sudo apt-get install xfce4-panel
[11:46] <hyper_ch> pastebin the output
[11:46] <hyper_ch> well, paste it here
[11:47] <hyper_ch> there shouldn't be a lot of text
[11:47] <GrueTamer> if it installs, there may be
[11:47] <jordan> jordan@jordan-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install xfce4-panel
[11:47] <jordan> Password:
[11:47] <jordan> Reading package lists... Done
[11:47] <jordan> Building dependency tree
[11:47] <jordan> Reading state information... Done
[11:47] <jordan> xfce4-panel is already the newest version.
[11:47] <jordan> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[11:47] <jordan>   tcl8.4 php5-common
[11:47] <jordan> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[11:47] <hyper_ch> ok, run  thise from the panel:
[11:47] <jordan> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:47] <jordan> jordan@jordan-desktop:~$
[11:47] <hyper_ch> xfce4-panel
[11:47] <jordan> from the panel?
[11:47] <hyper_ch> I mean run this from the termianl :)
[11:47] <jordan> k
[11:47] <hyper_ch> do you have now panels?
[11:48] <hyper_ch> if not, what is the output?
[11:48] <jordan> said its already running
[11:48] <GrueTamer> alright, upload that screenshot
[11:48] <GrueTamer> ive got a hunch
[11:48] <hyper_ch> jordan: run this:   ps aux | grep xfce4-panel
[11:48] <jordan> any place to upload it in particular?
[11:48] <jordan> or is anywhere fine?
[11:48] <GrueTamer> i dont care
[11:49] <jordan> jordan@jordan-desktop:~$ ps aux | grep xfce4-panel
[11:49] <jordan> jordan    6362  0.0  0.7  39492  8268 ?        S    14:40   0:00 xfce4-panel --display :0.0 --sm-client-id 117f000101000118012864700000174080008
[11:49] <jordan> jordan    6569  0.0  0.0   2884   768 pts/0    S+   14:48   0:00 grep xfce4-panel
[11:49] <jordan> jordan@jordan-desktop:~$
[11:49] <hyper_ch> run this:   kill 6362
[11:50] <hyper_ch> any output?
[11:50] <jordan> k
[11:50] <jordan> nothing seemed to have happened
[11:50] <hyper_ch> do agaon:   ps aux | grep xfce4-panel
[11:51] <hyper_ch> what have you got now?
[11:51] <hyper_ch> btw, you can use the up-arrow to display the previous commans run :)
[11:52] <hyper_ch> jordan:
[11:53] <jordan> yeah
[11:53] <jordan> i can use the up arrow
[11:53] <hyper_ch> what's the output now?
[11:53] <jordan> jordan@jordan-desktop:~$ ps aux | grep xfce4-panel
[11:53] <jordan> jordan    6597  0.0  0.0   2884   760 pts/0    S+   14:53   0:00 grep xfce4-panel
[11:53] <jordan> jordan@jordan-desktop:~$
[11:54] <hyper_ch> good... now do:     xfce4-panel
[11:54] <hyper_ch> jordan: do you have them now?
[11:55] <jordan> http://www.myagribusiness.com/images/Screenshot.png
[11:55] <jordan> do this from the terminal:  xfce4-panel
[11:55] <jordan> or from alt+f2?
[11:55] <hyper_ch> from the terminal
[11:56] <jordan> no
[11:56] <jordan>  still dont have them
[11:56] <jordan> did u see my screen shot?
[11:56] <hyper_ch> jordan: ok, do again  ps aux | grep xfce4-panel
[11:56] <jordan> jordan@jordan-desktop:~$ ps aux | grep xfce4-panel
[11:56] <jordan> jordan    6624  0.0  0.0   2880   760 pts/0    S+   14:56   0:00 grep xfce4-panel
[11:56] <jordan> jordan@jordan-desktop:~$
[11:57] <GrueTamer> jordan: the link didnt work for me
[11:57] <jordan> u sure?
[11:57] <hyper_ch> ok.... run this:   sudo apt-get --purge remove xfce4-panel
[11:57] <jordan> just click on the http part
[11:57] <hyper_ch> link worked for me
[11:57] <GrueTamer> weird
[11:58] <jordan> do i want to continue?
[11:58] <jordan> it is asking if i want to remove that stuff?
[11:58] <jordan> do i want to?
[11:58] <GrueTamer> i see the problem
[11:58] <hyper_ch> what stuff?
[11:58] <hyper_ch> just xfce4-panel or more?
[11:58] <jordan> whatever was included in that command u sent me?
[11:58] <GrueTamer> hmm...
[11:58] <hyper_ch> jordan: paste it here
[11:58] <GrueTamer> jordan: right click on the rectangle
[11:59] <jordan> umm, the xfce4- batter-plugin
[11:59] <jordan> screenshooter-plugin
[11:59] <jordan> xkb plugin
[11:59] <jordan> etc
[11:59] <hyper_ch> ok, paste it on phpfi
[11:59] <jordan> k
[11:59] <GrueTamer> jordan: what happens when you right click on that rectangle?
[11:59] <jordan> its gone now
[11:59] <GrueTamer> or is it too late
[11:59] <jordan> :(
[11:59] <GrueTamer> dangit, i think i know what to do, too
[12:00] <hyper_ch> GrueTamer: the config files are messed up
[12:00] <jordan> http://phpfi.com/236986
[12:00] <hyper_ch> GrueTamer: that's what I suspect
[12:00] <GrueTamer> i wouldnt be surprised if that rectangle is the remnants of a screwed up panel
[12:00] <jordan> i think it was
[12:00] <GrueTamer> i needed confirmation
[12:00] <jordan> cuz it had some "customize panel" when i right clicked on it
[12:00] <hyper_ch> jordan: log back into gnome
[12:01] <jordan> k
[12:01] <jordan> brb
[12:01] <jordan> im back in gnome now
[12:02] <hyper_ch> jordan: run this:  http://phpfi.com/236987   --> but make first a phpfi entry
[12:02] <hyper_ch> jordan: of what it will remove
[12:02] <maxamillion> GrueTamer: you actually run wmii?
[12:03] <jordan> http://phpfi.com/236988
[12:03] <hyper_ch> press Y
[12:04] <jordan> k, its removing them all
[12:04] <jordan> k
[12:04] <jordan> done
[12:05] <hyper_ch> jordan: and also removing the config files for those... I think they were messed up
[12:05] <hyper_ch> ok, now let's install them again
[12:05] <jordan> lol
[12:05] <jordan> k
[12:05] <jordan> walk me thru it please
[12:05] <hyper_ch> actually pastebin first:   sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[12:05] <jordan> pastebin after typing that command?
[12:05] <hyper_ch> yes
[12:05] <jordan> or right now before typing that command?
[12:05] <hyper_ch> after typing the command
[12:06] <hyper_ch> wait
[12:06] <hyper_ch> wait
[12:06] <hyper_ch> wait
[12:06] <jordan> http://phpfi.com/236990
[12:06] <jordan> i didnt click yes
[12:06] <jordan> yet
[12:06] <hyper_ch> click n
[12:07] <hyper_ch> and pastebin this:    ls -al ~/.config
[12:07] <jordan> http://phpfi.com/236992
[12:08] <hyper_ch> pastebin thsi:  ls -al ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[12:08] <jordan> http://phpfi.com/236994
[12:09] <hyper_ch> run this command:   sudo rm -Rf ~/.config/xfce*
[12:09] <jordan> k, didnt do anything
[12:09] <hyper_ch> it did :)
[12:10] <jordan> haha
[12:10] <hyper_ch> it just didn't generate an output
[12:10] <jordan> k
[12:10] <jordan> yeah
[12:10] <jordan> no output
[12:10] <hyper_ch> now do:   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[12:10] <jordan> hit y or n?
[12:10] <jordan> im assuming y
[12:10] <hyper_ch> what does it say?
[12:10] <jordan> After unpacking...
[12:11] <jordan> disk space will be freed
[12:11] <hyper_ch> can you pastebin it?
[12:11] <jordan> ya
[12:11] <jordan> http://phpfi.com/236996
[12:11] <hyper_ch> Y
[12:12] <hyper_ch> jordan: Y
[12:12] <jordan> k
[12:12] <jordan> now there is another one
[12:12] <hyper_ch> press Y
[12:12] <jordan> k
[12:12] <jordan> downloading a coulpe hundred megs
[12:12] <hyper_ch> it's downloading them?
[12:12] <jordan> well..
[12:12] <jordan> maybe now, it is ubpacking and selectnig
[12:12] <jordan> not*
[12:12] <hyper_ch> I tend to think you should the .debs already have
[12:13] <hyper_ch> good
[12:13] <jordan> yeah
[12:13] <jordan> i htink it is just unpacking them and now it is setting them up
[12:13] <hyper_ch> what we did is purge the computer of all the xubuntu packages and config files
[12:13] <hyper_ch> even manually deleted the left overs in your home folder
[12:13] <jordan> and now we reinstalled them?
[12:13] <jordan> its done
[12:13] <hyper_ch> and then do a clean install of them
[12:13] <hyper_ch> good, try it now
[12:13] <jordan> log out and then back in?
[12:14] <hyper_ch> if you havne't got a panel then I don't know any further
[12:14] <jordan> with xfce?
[12:14] <hyper_ch> yeah
[12:14] <jordan> okay
[12:14] <jordan> brb
[12:15] <jordan> thanks, it seemed to have worked
[12:15] <hyper_ch> and?
[12:15] <jordan> but i still cant access the window manager
[12:15] <jordan> or window manager tweeks
[12:16] <hyper_ch> why not?
[12:16] <jordan> "these settings cannot work with your current window manager (Metacity)"
[12:16] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: you are being asked for
[12:17] <hyper_ch> jordan: you have a xfce desktop now?
[12:17] <jordan> ya
[12:17] <jordan> nice pretty blue and all
[12:18] <maxamillion> what, sorry
[12:18] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: what's going on?
[12:18] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: he's got panels but metacity is DM
[12:18] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: how to change that... I don't konw
[12:18] <maxamillion> jordan:
[12:18] <jordan> ya
[12:18] <maxamillion> lol sory
[12:19] <maxamillion> jordan: "sudo killall metacity" and then "xfwm4 &" ... then click "save session for future logins" and it should be fine
[12:20] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: maybe a bit more detailed for him :)
[12:20] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: using terminal or alt-f2?
[12:20] <maxamillion> jordan: in terminal
[12:20] <maxamillion> sorry
[12:20] <maxamillion> i should have specified
[12:20] <maxamillion> jordan: the first command should make all your window borders dissapear and the second one will make them come back (but they will probably look different)
[12:22] <jordan> sorry, can i have those commands agani
[12:22] <hyper_ch> jordan: did you normally log-out?
[12:22] <jordan> froze
[12:22] <hyper_ch> :)
[12:22] <hyper_ch> [00:19]  <maxamillion> jordan: "sudo killall metacity" and then "xfwm4 &" ... then click "save session for future logins" and it should be fine
[12:22] <jordan> all from the terminal?
[12:23] <hyper_ch> jordan: yes
[12:24] <jordan> lol
[12:24] <hyper_ch> did you save the session before?
[12:24] <jordan> as soon as i run the first command, i am unable to type another
[12:25] <maxamillion> jordan: you are unable to type another?
[12:25] <jordan> the window borders disappear but i cant type
[12:25] <hyper_ch> anyeay, I need to go to bed
[12:25] <hyper_ch> good luck
[12:25] <jordan> i really appreciate the help
[12:25] <jordan> thanks
[12:25] <jordan> could this problem be related to beryl?
[12:26] <jordan> hyper_ch: im sure ill be needing your assistance again sometime
[12:26] <jordan> :)
[12:26] <jordan> im trying really hard not to go back to vista
[12:27] <maxamillion> jordan: its possible its related to beryl, but probably only if you changed a confid file somewhere while reading a tutorial to do it