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[01:20] <defcon_> can I upgrade to gutsy from feisty
[01:20] <defcon_> without reinstalling os
[01:20] <defcon_> or, what is different
[01:24] <borschty_> you can, but i would not advise you to do it, if you don't know how to do it
[01:24] <defcon_> borschty_, what are the differences
[01:24] <borschty_> gutsy is likely to contain errors, some of them even preventing the machine from booting up
[01:24] <defcon_> why upgrade/switch
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[01:25] <borschty_> different: newer gnome and updated libraries, so far
[01:25] <borschty_> and pidgin replaced gaim (well actually it is just a version upgrade with a name change)
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[01:26] <borschty_> at the moment you would not be able to install evince or gimp
[01:28] <borschty_> but if you don't know how to fix a broken system or are not willing to submit bugs you found there currently is no reason to upgrade... but if you are change feisty to gutsy in your sources.list and apt-get update and dist-upgrade
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[01:31] <DanaG> Powertop is a nifty utility.
[01:31] <DanaG> But, for some reason suspend is now broken in the 2.6.22 kernel for me.
[01:31] <DanaG> The odd thing is that it hangs on suspend, not on resume.
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[01:37] <defcon_> borschty_, can I just upgrade my gnome in feisty
[01:38] <defcon_> ?
[01:38] <borschty_> no
[01:38] <defcon_> so basically the bugs are with gnome?
[01:38] <borschty_> which bugs?
[01:39] <defcon_> well the difference is just libraries and gnome correct
[01:39] <defcon_> can I revert back after upgrade
[01:39] <borschty_> will be very hard
[01:39] <crdlb> !downgrade
[01:39] <borschty_> and not advisable if you have to ask such questions
[01:39] <ubotwo> Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[01:40] <DanaG> It'd be better to back up your whole Ubuntu partition.
[01:40] <borschty_> or use a vmware image of ubuntu 7.04 and upgrade this
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[01:42] <defcon_> borschty_, can I install gutsy to a partition while being in feisty
[01:42] <defcon_> or do I got to install via livecd
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[01:42] <arkygeek> hi :)
[01:42] <defcon_> im interested in trying it out/bug testing, I have another drive thats empty
[01:43] <defcon_> matter fact i'll just install to a virtual box
[01:43] <arkygeek> i need to bypass the power limiting feature of the new kernel wrt usb devices
[01:43] <defcon_> !install
[01:43] <ubotwo> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[01:43] <arkygeek> specifically, i have a usrobotics usr5420 usb wifi
[01:43] <borschty_> then you should download a nightly iso and install itt onto that partition
[01:43] <crdlb> are there iso's yet?
[01:43] <defcon_> borschty_, iso location?
[01:43] <defcon_> live cd?
[01:44] <borschty_> crdlb: i do not use them, but i think so...
[01:44] <defcon_> borschty_, best way to install gutsy?
[01:44] <defcon_> sorry im killing u with q's
[01:45] <borschty_> if there are no nightlies, take your feisty install cd, install that to the free partition, boot into that and then change your /etc/apt/sources.list from feisty into gutsy
[01:45] <borschty_> then sudo apt-get update
[01:45] <borschty_> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:46] <DanaG> kernel wrt usb?
[01:47] <arkygeek> 2.6.20-15-generic
[01:47] <borschty_> might lead to some problems right now, cause libpoppler prevents evince and gimp from installing, which are a dependency of ubuntu-desktop
[01:47] <DanaG> http://www.yes-www.org/www-is-not-deprecated/
[01:47] <defcon_> thankyou borschty_ bbiab
[01:47] <DanaG> heh, http://no-www.org/
[01:47] <arkygeek> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=225206
[01:48] <arkygeek> The basics of the problem is that Edgy has a new "feature" that limits the power that goes to USB devices. This is all well and good to protect USB devices, except when a device wants more power then the kernel likes. The WUSB54GS is one of those devices.
[01:48] <arkygeek> This feature can be turned off. Here's how.
[01:48] <arkygeek> etc.  however, it aint workin... :s
[01:58] <DanaG> Another odd thing: my scrolling on my touchpad isn't working.
[01:59] <DanaG> oh hey, my right edge was wrong... fixed it.
[02:05] <DanaG> Oh, something odd:
[02:05] <DanaG> when I put my iAudio6 in MTP mode, it still shows up as a USB Mass Storage device.
[02:06] <DanaG> It's not a big issue for me because I usually use UMS mode, but it is still a bug.
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[02:07] <DanaG> heh, /me still thinks of Gusty.
[02:10] <DanaG> oh, and now there's also a san2
[02:11] <DanaG> http://san2.csc.calpoly.edu
[02:11] <DanaG> lovely naming, eh?
[02:11] <DanaG> Sorry for the downtime!
[02:11] <DanaG> 
[02:11] <DanaG>    The Cal Poly CSC SAN is down at the moment for maintenance... please
[02:11] <DanaG>    try again later!
[02:11] <DanaG>    We're aware of the problem and are working towards a quick solution!
[02:11] <DanaG>    Thanks for your patience!
[02:11] <DanaG> er, brokenness in my paste-ness.
[02:12] <DanaG> argh, I keep using the wrong channel.
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[02:30] <DanaG> WTF?  Nautilus is crashing when I go to Properties of some files.
[02:32] <borschty_> regular files or things like named pipes?
[02:33] <DanaG> Media files, it seems.
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[02:33] <DanaG> Oh, and I still haven't gotten around to filing that "kernel oops on Audigy 2ZS Notebook" bug report.
[02:33] <Enverex> Is it possible to use the FGLRX drivers on 7.10?
[02:34] <DanaG> Yay, now I need magic sysrq.
[02:34] <borschty_> if you are not using .22-kernel it should be
[02:34] <Enverex> borschty_, The problem is XOrg, not the kernel
[02:34] <borschty_> oh, that got updated, too... already forgot about that
[02:36] <Enverex> So, the question still stands
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[05:05] <DanaG> Device 'dock.0' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be fixed.
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[06:31] <DanaG> hmm, xubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop both have broken dependencies.
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[06:37] <Hobbsee> DanaG: known.
[06:37] <Hobbsee> DanaG: do you get kontact and knoda dependancy problems when upgrading to 3.5.7?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> DanaG: i'm hearing that some people od, and some dont.
[06:40] <DanaG> I don't have kubuntu-desktop installed at all, yet.
[06:40] <DanaG> For xubuntu-desktop, there's a broken dependency with the mixer app.
[06:41] <Hobbsee> wouldnt surprise me
[06:41] <Hobbsee> in fact, it *would* suprrise me if those metapackages wer einstallable
[06:43] <DanaG> For kubuntu-desktop, I don't remember which package it was.  Let me check.
[06:44] <DanaG> aah, python-sip4 is unavailable.  python-qt4 depends on it.
[06:45] <Hobbsee> yeah, pyqt4 is broken with teh new sip4
[06:45] <Hobbsee> we know about it
[06:45] <Hobbsee> the knetworkmanager is fixed now, though
[06:47] <DanaG> Hmm, also, suspend seems to have broken.  Oddly, this time it hangs on suspend, rather than on resume like it did before (due to BIOS bug).
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[06:48] <Hobbsee> you appeared to expect it to wrok
[06:48] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'LongPointyStick': Linux 2.6.22-5-generic running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2250  @ 1.73GHz at 800 MHz (3458 bogomips), HD: 29/71GB, RAM: 1393/1510MB, 124 proc's, 3.23h up
[06:49] <Hobbsee> oh, i am using -5 now
[06:49] <DanaG> Longpointystick?  Nice hostname.
[06:50] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:50] <DanaG> Mine's boring: m685
[06:50] <DanaG> (model number -- brand: Gateway.)
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[06:50] <DanaG> er
[06:50] <DanaG> damn apostrophe
[06:51] <DanaG> I love going to public access points (like at my school) and seeing people's workstation names on service-discovery-applet.
[06:51] <Hobbsee> wow, lots of kernel changes
[06:51] <Hobbsee> hehe, yep
[06:53] <DanaG> Have you tried "powertop" yet?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> yeah
[06:54] <Hobbsee> today :)
[06:55] <DanaG> i8042 seems to be a major interruptor.
[06:55] <Hobbsee>   43.5% (280.0)       <interrupt> : i8042
[06:55] <Hobbsee> i'm wondering what that is, though
[06:56] <DanaG> psmouse, for one.
[06:59] <DanaG> Is there a nice list of what's new in 3.5.7?
[06:59] <DanaG> Besides broken (or broken-out) kcontrol...
[07:00] <Hobbsee> kcontrol is broken?
[07:00] <DanaG> At least when I try it from under Gnome.
[07:01] <DanaG> The tree pane is empty for me.
[07:01] <Hobbsee> system settings is broken.  kcontrol works fine here
[07:01] <Hobbsee> i think there's a bug on taht?
[07:01] <DanaG> But in my Gnome panel, I see "other" that has everything there.
[07:01] <DanaG> s/panel/menu/
[07:04] <DanaG> I use Gnome because KDE feels bulky to me.  Note that bulky != bloaty.
[07:08] <Hobbsee> you'd have to check for a bug on it
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[07:59] <DanaG> Gaah, don'tcha love part messages that have invalid characters?
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[08:00] <DanaG>        
[08:02] <Hobbsee> heh
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[11:44] <cyrill62> Hi everybody !
[11:44] <cyrill62> I'm on Ubuntu gutsy, and I'd 2 problems with ia32-libs-gtk, and  |<kaafree> step2back, do you have jabber contact ?                       [11:1$] 
[11:44] <cyrill62> firefox
[11:45] <cyrill62> dpkg crash on install of ia32-libs-gtk because he'll override /usr/lib32/lubXcursor.so.0.2
[11:46] <cyrill62> and it's file is contain in ia32-libs
[11:47] <cyrill62> even tought, dpkg don't want to install ia32-libs-gtk
[11:48] <cyrill62> and the second problem, when i run firefox, it doesn't start and I've a bad error message
[11:48] <cyrill62> ***MEMORY-WARNING***: firefox-bin[9714] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions;)] 
[11:48] <cyrill62> Somebody can solve that, and help me?
[11:53] <gnomefreak> cyrill62: ia32libs-* are broken as for the memory thing restart into memtest and let it rin a coupld of hours.
[11:53] <gnomefreak> see if it finds anything bad
[11:55] <cyrill62> the ia32-libs problem and the firefox problem isn't the linked
[11:56] <cyrill62> it's 2 different problems
[11:56] <gnomefreak> if your on 64bit its possible they are linked but wont know until you do a memtest and everything comes up good ;)
[11:57] <gnomefreak> assuming since you need those libs your on 64. libpoppler is also going through a major transition atm so if either depands on poppler it very much can be that.
[11:57] <cyrill62> for ia32-libs-gtk, I think it's just a conflict between ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk
[11:58] <cyrill62> even tought I solve the memory warning problem, it'll not solve the ia32-libs problem
[11:58] <gnomefreak> cyrill62: dont know cant build them since i dont have a 64box atm. try filing a bug on it
[11:59] <cyrill62> on launchpad?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> !bugs
[12:01] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[12:04] <cyrill62> Ok, this bug with ia32-libs is already reported
[12:04] <cyrill62> 7 hours ago
[12:04] <gnomefreak> cyrill62: figured it would have been can i see the bug please
[12:05] <cyrill62> bug number 116770
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[12:10] <gnomefreak> bug 116770
[12:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116770 in ia32-libs-gtk "ia32-libs-gtk can't be updated due to file conflict" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116770
[12:11] <gnomefreak> cyrill62: make sure you comment with as much info as possible including pasting the errors
[12:12] <cyrill62> the error message is already posted
[12:14] <cyrill62> mine is in french, but it's the same
[12:14] <cyrill62> lol
[12:14] <gnomefreak> post as much info as you can give. all he did was paste the error that maybe helpfull enough but i dont use it so ive never looked at the package
[12:17] <cyrill62> ok
[12:17] <cyrill62> I should register me on launchpad before...
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[02:01] <sivaji> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22563/ dpkg crashed
[02:03] <Hobbsee> sivaji: ...that's not a crash.
[02:04] <Hobbsee> sivaji: and if you read it, you should be able to figure out what to do from there
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:Hobbsee] : Please do not run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependancies | Ubuntu 7.10 will be nicknamed the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape!
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[02:05] <sivaji> Hobbsee i tried  -f still i cant that is why i am asking u
[02:05] <Hobbsee>   Package libssl0.9.6 is not installed.
[02:05] <Hobbsee> try installing it then
[02:05] <Hobbsee> ditto the other
[02:05] <Hobbsee> -f usually isnt a good idea, unless you're sure of what you're doing.
[02:05] <sivaji> Hobbsee read properly that is not installable
[02:06] <sivaji> ymessenger: Depends: libssl0.9.6 but it is not installable
[02:06] <sivaji> u r very clever
[02:06] <Hobbsee> then you need to wait, file a bug if it's not already filed, and/or fix it.
=== Hobbsee copy pasted, actually..
[02:07] <sivaji> ya i  corrected that by remove ymessenger package
[02:07] <Hobbsee> that works
[02:07] <sivaji> are u operator
[02:07] <Hobbsee> did you file a bug?
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[02:07] <sivaji> no i got my problem solved
[02:07] <sivaji> are u operator
[02:07] <Hobbsee> ymessenger isnt even *in* ubuntu
[02:08] <sivaji> ya i know
[02:08] <sivaji> are u operator
[02:08] <Hobbsee> yes.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> i couldnt have changed the topic if i wasnt one.
[02:09] <sivaji> ok bye
[02:09] <sivaji> Hobbsee i got one doubt
[02:10] <Hobbsee> shoot
[02:12] <Hobbsee> libssl0.9.6 wasnt installable, as it didnt exist in gutsy.
[02:12] <Hobbsee> ditto xlibs
[02:13] <sivaji> 64bit processor consumes 64bit to store a unit data it means it need twice space that 32bit processor so 64bit inefficient corrct
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[02:15] <sivaji> Hobbsee are u there ?
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[02:16] <Hobbsee> i'm not an expert on 64 bit systems.
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[02:28] <ompaul> I was vicious here :)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
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[02:45] <Enverex> hrm, wasn't someone saying about ia32-libs being broken with ia32-libs-gtk?
[02:46] <cyrill62> Yes?
[02:46] <Enverex> hmm, seems there's a conflict with SDL too
[02:47] <Enverex> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_1.19ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib32/libdirect-0.9.so.25.0.0', which is also in package ia32-libs-sdl
[02:47] <cyrill62> hum.....shit
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[02:48] <cyrill62> I think that the package creator miss to delete some librairies in ther package...
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Enverex: bug report is filed.
[02:48] <Hobbsee> both of them
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[02:49] <cyrill62> it's just a minor bug, just the ia32-libs package is corrupted...
[02:49] <cyrill62> the ia32-libs package should be rebuild
[02:50] <Hobbsee> didnt seem like rebuild material to me, when i glanced at it.
[02:50] <cyrill62> I hope that it'll be solve tomorrow, because I can't run firefox32...
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[02:51] <Hobbsee> it probably wont be fixed tomorrow, anyway
[02:51] <Hobbsee> it being a weekend, and all.
[02:52] <cyrill62> nobody work the week end?
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[02:52] <cyrill62> isn't a company, it's a community...
[02:52] <Hobbsee> not the paid developers, usually
[02:52] <Hobbsee> depends
[02:53] <Enverex> I use 7.10 on both of my machines simply because I kinda hate out of date software. I'd use Debian Sid but it lacks lots of the "Just works" features of Ubuntu.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> it's not terribly time critical, and they'll likely start working 24x7 weeks closer to release
[02:53] <cyrill62> but ubuntu isn't maintain only by paid developpers?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> this is true
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[02:54] <Hobbsee> cyrill62: still, the guy who last uploaded it is paid, so is probably having the weekend off.
[02:55] <Enverex> Ironic, the unpaid ones do stuff 7 days, the paid ones 5 days :P
[02:55] <cyrill62> lol
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[02:55] <cyrill62> yes but paids work 12H by day on it
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Enverex: nah, not really.  we still take time off, go to uni, work, etc too
[02:55] <cyrill62> but unpaids not sure...and somthimes mote
[02:55] <cyrill62> mre
[02:55] <cyrill62> more
[02:56] <Hobbsee> 12 hour days?  that i doubt.  no one works them, in a normal working week, unless you're in a crazy country
[02:56] <Enverex> Like the UK
[02:56] <Enverex> heh
[02:56] <cyrill62> lol I'm french
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Enverex: exactly
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[02:57] <cyrill62> the more lazy country
[02:57] <cyrill62> lol
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[02:58] <cyrill62> when I think 12H/day, it's just because I don't know how many hours by day work others country
[02:59] <Hobbsee> 8, usually
[02:59] <cyrill62> in france, it's 7 or 8H/days
[03:00] <cyrill62> in france it's 35H/week
[03:01] <cyrill62> but with the new french president it'll change... ;-(
[03:01] <cyrill62> lol
[03:02] <Hobbsee> oh good, the rest of kde got done
[03:02] <cyrill62> and nobody have problems with firefox on amd64 Gutsy?
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[03:02] <Hobbsee> most people dont run gutsy yet.
[03:03] <Enverex> cyrill62, Works fine on both my machine
[03:03] <Enverex> *s
[03:03] <cyrill62> I'd go on gutsy when fiesty was stable
[03:04] <cyrill62> to had the last kernel
[03:04] <Hobbsee> you couldnt
[03:04] <cyrill62> and progs
[03:04] <Hobbsee> toolchain was being built
[03:04] <Hobbsee> but crazy people, and those fixing bugs can, yes :)
[03:05] <Enverex> I really just can't decide on what distro to use and it's driving me mad
[03:05] <Hobbsee> out of?
[03:05] <cyrill62> I do, just change the repo on my sources.list
[03:06] <cyrill62> and apt-get update+apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:06] <cyrill62> and 'cool I'm in gutsy now :-)'
[03:07] <Enverex> All of them, heh. I liked Gentoo but the compile times and attitude of the devs turned me off. Ubuntu lacks a "rolling version" which I really want. Debian has Sid but... it seems kinda dated in terms of bug-trackers etc and slow to progress...
[03:07] <cyrill62> me too
[03:07] <Hobbsee> arch?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> although that's a compile thing too, i believe
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[03:08] <Enverex> Hobbsee, x86_64
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[03:16] <Enverex> Hobbsee, No ideas?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> about?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> i've got ideas about the new package i just uploaded, that's about it.
[03:19] <Enverex> Is that to replace the broken ia32 libs?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> no
[03:19] <Hobbsee> i cant upload to main
[03:19] <Enverex> Ah
[03:19] <Hobbsee> (yet)
[03:19] <Enverex> There's one thing that I don't like about Ubuntu. They don't update drivers and that's a bad thing.
[03:20] <Hobbsee> drivers?  which one were you after?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> or in a stable release?
[03:20] <Enverex> In a stable release I mean
[03:21] <Hobbsee> because they tend to change things, yes.
[03:21] <Enverex> Using old drivers is never a good idea, especially when all drivers are so... "unfinished" in Linux
[03:21] <Hobbsee> if i'm running a stable release, adn something changes, and i'm needing my computer to do work on, then i'll be pissed.
[03:21] <Hobbsee> if it's broken it
[03:21] <Enverex> Can you image if someone was complaining about a game not working well on XP or something and they were using a driver from 2000...
[03:22] <Hobbsee> they'd have 2000 programs, too?
[03:23] <Enverex> They'd probably have updated any apps they care about
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[03:23] <Hobbsee> there are advantages and disadvantages of both methods
[03:24] <Enverex> Old drivers rarely have advantages
[03:24] <Hobbsee> stable systems for everyone has it's advantages
[03:24] <Hobbsee> keep in midn - these drivers are in the kernel - so every ubuntu user using that release gets the upgrade
[03:25] <Hobbsee> not just you, as would happen in a windows system
[03:25] <Hobbsee> (for the most part, anyway)
[03:26] <Enverex> Just because a driver is old doesn't mean it's stable though. I.e. the ATi drivers always have issues, just the newer ones have less issues (well, hopefully anyway). Just because it loads XOrg doesn't really mean it's ~stable~.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> this is true
[03:27] <Hobbsee> stable as in, known set of issues, doesnt suddenly blow up and leave you without X the day after an update.
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[03:27] <Hobbsee> didnt you ever hear about the X update saga?
[03:28] <Enverex> I guess this is one of my issues with Linux in general. You're kinda locked to old software till the distro is updated... where as with Windows it's easy to update things...
[03:28] <Enverex> lol, I was with Gentoo for that, even more painful
[03:28] <Hobbsee> true
[03:28] <Hobbsee> or use gentoo and friends
[03:28] <Hobbsee> where you control what you want
[03:28] <Hobbsee> but you still ahve to wait for windows to update things too, keep in mind
[03:29] <Hobbsee> how much stuff doesnt work with vista, and isnt yet compatible?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> particularly when it was first released
[03:29] <Enverex> That's only for Windows core, not for the applications you use on it
[03:29] <Enverex> As I said, I liked Gentoo because it was a rolling version and very controlable, BUT, compiles take ages and the devs were complete assholes
[03:30] <Hobbsee> this is always the tradeoff, yes.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> things do take time to build.
[03:31] <Enverex> I'd run into compilation failures all the time though due to... god knows what reasons and stuff would never get fixed, so I got sick of spending all my time trying to fix the distro rather than use it.
[03:31] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:31] <Hobbsee> this is one of the problem with rolling releases, yes.
[03:32] <Hobbsee> come on...build kdelibs, build...
[03:32] <Enverex> I'm fighting on my laptop at the moment though, it's an ATi card and fglrx doesn't support XOrg 1.3
[03:32] <Hobbsee> i'm not convinced that the "rolling release which fully works, which has all the latest components" actually exists.
[03:33] <Enverex> I don't mind if it doesn't fully work, just as long as it doesn't have massive issues
[03:33] <Hobbsee> i'm suspecting it's a wishful myth, just like the one about infinite developers
[03:33] <Hobbsee> you cant upgrade teh base componentry without major breakage in a lot of cases, though.
[03:34] <Enverex> Well Debian Sid seemed ok and Gutsy seems ok to me, but I'm kinda worried using it because unlike Sid it's not designed to be used at all
[03:36] <Hobbsee> we say that, so people dont scream when their machine doesnt boot one day
[03:36] <Hobbsee> or X doesnt work
[03:36] <Hobbsee> it's not actually too bad, really.
[03:37] <Hobbsee> most things will work, on a day to day basis.  on balance.
[03:37] <Enverex> I guess I'm used to fixing stuff after using Gentoo for 4 years. The warning is for people that don't really know how to do anything on their Linux install other than the easy stuff eh?
[03:40] <Hobbsee> pretty much, yep
[03:40] <Hobbsee> and those who expect it to work all the time
[03:42] <Enverex> Fairy muff
[03:42] <Hobbsee> yay, kdepim finished
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[03:49] <Enverex> Is anything wrong with DVD's in 7.10 at the moment (i.e. reasons why it wouldn't work)
[03:50] <Hobbsee> everything's being merged at the moment
[03:50] <Hobbsee> so, probably
[03:50] <lemonade> i had some trouble with codecs few days ago
[03:52] <Enverex> I can't play DVDs on my laptop with anything. Tried MPlayer, Totem, VLC, etc.
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[03:53] <Hobbsee> installed libdvdcss2 from whatever source?
[03:56] <Enverex> Yup
[03:56] <Enverex> and all the other DVD libs, etc
[03:57] <Hobbsee> no idea then
[03:57] <Enverex> I had a horrible feeling it was the drive or something but it worked in XP
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[07:03] <Peaker_> is hibernation broken now?
[07:03] <Peaker_> kcontrol center seems to be
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[07:42] <cypherdelic> please help. i cant open my luks encrypted storage with gutsy since today
[07:42] <cypherdelic> i can Dump the info of the partition everything seems to be alright
[07:43] <cypherdelic> i can try to luksOpen, but as i type in the Passphrase it wont continue
[07:43] <cypherdelic> :)
[07:43] <cypherdelic> :(( please help
[07:44] <cypherdelic> i already reinstalled all packages
[07:44] <cypherdelic> how can i switch back to feisty packages
[07:44] <cypherdelic> just reediting the sources.list wont work?
[07:44] <cypherdelic> how to downgrade
[07:45] <cypherdelic> ok forget what i say suddenly after just waiting some couples of minutes it hooked in my partition
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[09:21] <coNP> does gutsy work atm?
[09:21] <coNP> it's high time I ruined my system :)
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[10:14] <edgy> Hi, I want to install gutsy in a chroot so i did: sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd gutsy /var/chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ and at the end of it I have a message of: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /var/chroot mount -t proc proc /proc, is this normal?
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[10:21] <edgy> sudo chroot /var/chroot/
[10:21] <edgy> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
[10:22] <edgy> and now I am getting this ^, what's wrong please?
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[10:56] <asubedi> does tracker still store its stuff in .Tracker? I just compiled the svn trunk and am running it. However, .Tracker is still not created.
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[11:17] <edgy> asubedi: is tracker better than beagle?
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[11:24] <asubedi> edgy: i haven't used beagle for a long while, but when I used both of them, tracker was better
[11:26] <asubedi> but i don't think tracker has progressed much since then. It's internals have changed a lot, and that's where the devs seem to put in a lot of effort nowadays
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[11:34] <edgy> asubedi: thx
[11:45] <edgy> asubedi: are you using gutsy in chroot?
[11:45] <asubedi> nope
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[11:46] <asubedi> edgy: i just upgraded wholesale to gutsy, but i think it was not a very good idea
[11:47] <edgy> asubedi: yes sure it's not a good idea. it's way from being near usable
[11:47] <edgy> I cannot even let it work in chroot, leave alone as a standalone
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[11:58] <asubedi> edgy: actually it's mostly working fine
[11:59] <asubedi> edgy: only evince was not getting installed, but now i am using svn trunk of evince a i need some new stuff that is only in the trunk
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[12:05] <Peaker_> I am using gutsy here and on my laptop
[12:05] <Peaker> hibernation is broken, and so is kcontrol. Don't think anything else specific is broken
[12:05] <Peaker> (here)
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[12:11] <Enverex> hmm, my sound appears to have broken, mPlayer gives...
[12:11] <Enverex> alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1242:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy
[12:11] <Enverex> alsa-lib: pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[12:11] <Enverex> But I don't remember seeing any ALSA changes lately
[12:12] <Enverex> Nevermind, turns out it's PulseAudio locking the soundcard... not a good thing
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