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| rgat76 | hi | 02:33 |
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| rgat76 | help | 02:33 |
| rgat76 | it seems that ubuntu dapper it not friendly with wifi | 02:34 |
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| DBO | hiya nathan__ | 04:40 |
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| nathan__ | hi someone told me to come here to get a help | 04:40 |
| DBO | ok lets get you using your new desktop like a pro =) | 04:40 |
| DBO | I did =) | 04:40 |
| nathan__ | alright sweet | 04:40 |
| nathan__ | lol ok | 04:40 |
| DBO | Ok lets start with the most basic thing, installing new software | 04:41 |
| nathan__ | alright sounds good | 04:41 |
| DBO | so you see the menus at the top right? | 04:41 |
| nathan__ | yes | 04:41 |
| DBO | ok see the one that says applications? | 04:42 |
| nathan__ | or do u mean top left? | 04:42 |
| DBO | go in there and click "Add/Remove" | 04:42 |
| nathan__ | i found it on the top left and i clicked add programs? | 04:43 |
| DBO | yep =) | 04:43 |
| DBO | you are doing fine | 04:44 |
| nathan__ | good | 04:44 |
| DBO | did a new window pop up | 04:44 |
| nathan__ | yes | 04:44 |
| DBO | ok so this is the primary way you can install supported software on your system | 04:44 |
| nathan__ | alright sweet | 04:44 |
| DBO | this contains a large variety of different software from passtime games to office software to educational suites | 04:44 |
| nathan__ | alright | 04:45 |
| DBO | click on Games on the left | 04:45 |
| nathan__ | lol i did | 04:45 |
| DBO | Scroll down till you find Sudoku | 04:45 |
| DBO | and check the box next to it | 04:46 |
| DBO | then press the apply button | 04:46 |
| DBO | it will ask you if the changes you have made are what you want | 04:46 |
| DBO | click apply again | 04:46 |
| nathan__ | there isn't one called that | 04:46 |
| DBO | ok pick a different game | 04:47 |
| DBO | anything that looks interesting | 04:47 |
| DBO | (just nothing that starts with a K, Ill explain that later) | 04:47 |
| nathan__ | ok i picked one | 04:48 |
| nathan__ | im installing | 04:48 |
| DBO | =) | 04:48 |
| nathan__ | downloading actually? | 04:49 |
| DBO | yep | 04:49 |
| DBO | it downloads it and installs it for you | 04:49 |
| nathan__ | does that mean i download a game or software each time i install it? | 04:49 |
| DBO | yes, when you select new software to install it downloads it from the internet | 04:49 |
| DBO | if you are on a dial-up modem or have to pay through the nose for bandwidth there are ways to help mitigate your bandwidth usage | 04:50 |
| nathan__ | what happens if i download it from somewhere else? and save it to my desktop or someitng does it still do that or is that more of an advanced thing to do? | 04:50 |
| DBO | you wont find yourself doing that | 04:51 |
| DBO | I take it you are an Apple user? | 04:51 |
| nathan__ | lol no | 04:51 |
| nathan__ | i just am not used to the typing commands and stuff | 04:51 |
| DBO | ok generally speaking you shouldnt need to go into the command line too much | 04:52 |
| DBO | you see a lot of that in #ubuntu because for guys like me its easier to get people to do exactly what we want that way | 04:52 |
| DBO | basically when we tech support the user becomes our eyes and hands into their terminals =P | 04:52 |
| DBO | however now that you have downloaded a single piece of software | 04:53 |
| DBO | let me explain the difference between ubuntu and the windows world when it comes to installing software | 04:53 |
| nathan__ | yes and im playing it | 04:53 |
| nathan__ | so it worked | 04:53 |
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| DBO | in Ubuntu almost every piece of software you might want to install is kept in what is called a repository... this can be thought of as a giant software server | 04:54 |
| DBO | anything you want can be accessed through these servers | 04:54 |
| DBO | you dont run install programs | 04:54 |
| nathan__ | ok gotcha | 04:54 |
| DBO | you dont have to download it yourself | 04:54 |
| DBO | its all just at your fingertips and you dont really have to worry about the gritty details, thats our job =) | 04:55 |
| nathan__ | so what your are saying is that EVERYTHING is free? | 04:55 |
| DBO | EVERYTHING | 04:55 |
| nathan__ | cool | 04:55 |
| nathan__ | so basically its a server over the internet and i just download the stuff i want | 04:55 |
| DBO | right | 04:55 |
| nathan__ | cool | 04:56 |
| DBO | and you can uninstall stuff the exact same way you just installed it | 04:56 |
| nathan__ | cool | 04:56 |
| DBO | one word of warning however | 04:56 |
| DBO | software in the linux world has what are called "dependencies" | 04:56 |
| DBO | this means one piece of software might rely on another | 04:56 |
| nathan__ | ok? | 04:56 |
| DBO | for example | 04:56 |
| DBO | you see the clock on the top right of your screen? | 04:57 |
| nathan__ | yes | 04:57 |
| DBO | if you click on that a little calendar pops up | 04:57 |
| nathan__ | yes | 04:57 |
| DBO | that calendar is actually managed by another application called Evolution, which is a personal information manager (email, notes, contacts, and calendar) | 04:57 |
| DBO | so for that to work, you must also have evolution installed | 04:57 |
| nathan__ | ah | 04:57 |
| DBO | so what would happen if you were to try to uninstall evolution you ask? | 04:58 |
| nathan__ | hense dependencies lol | 04:58 |
| nathan__ | it wouldn't work | 04:58 |
| DBO | well... because that little calendar at the top right depends on it, it will uninstall that too | 04:58 |
| nathan__ | ok good to know | 04:58 |
| DBO | because dependencies are not suggestions, in linux they are mandatory | 04:58 |
| DBO | however, that said, the package manager will take care of that for you | 04:58 |
| nathan__ | how would u find out what is linked to what? | 04:58 |
| DBO | if something depends on something else, it will install both for you | 04:58 |
| nathan__ | like how do u know that the callender is linked | 04:59 |
| DBO | how do I know myself? I know how it works | 04:59 |
| DBO | but here is the general rule | 04:59 |
| DBO | everything you install yourself you are allowed to uninstall | 04:59 |
| nathan__ | ok | 04:59 |
| DBO | everything else is considered to be part of the base system | 04:59 |
| DBO | and should not be removed | 04:59 |
| nathan__ | alright so just like windows | 05:00 |
| DBO | simple enough? | 05:00 |
| nathan__ | yes i think | 05:00 |
| DBO | ok, so one thing you will find is that in Ubuntu there are three levels of software support | 05:00 |
| DBO | there is officially supported software | 05:01 |
| nathan__ | do i have the latest verison of Linux? | 05:01 |
| nathan__ | ok | 05:01 |
| DBO | unofficially supported software | 05:01 |
| DBO | and non-free (as in not GPL, still free as in money) unofficially supported software | 05:01 |
| DBO | currently, you only have enabled access to the first type | 05:02 |
| nathan__ | ok | 05:02 |
| DBO | lets go ahead and enable the last two since it gives you access to more software =) | 05:02 |
| nathan__ | ok sweet | 05:02 |
| DBO | so now we need to enable them | 05:02 |
| DBO | if you go to System -> Administration -> Software Sources | 05:03 |
| DBO | it will ask you for your password again (security is everything) | 05:03 |
| DBO | and then a new box will pop up | 05:03 |
| DBO | do you see it? | 05:03 |
| nathan__ | its not there | 05:03 |
| DBO | really? | 05:04 |
| nathan__ | yes | 05:04 |
| DBO | ok no big deal | 05:05 |
| nathan__ | ok good | 05:05 |
| DBO | go to System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager | 05:06 |
| DBO | sometimes my menus differ from users because I have a bad tendency to change things =P | 05:06 |
| nathan__ | ok | 05:06 |
| DBO | Synaptic is the big scary brother of the add remove program you used earlier | 05:06 |
| DBO | this thing shows you EVERYTHING you would want to know about software available to you | 05:07 |
| DBO | in here we are going to go to Settings -> Repositories | 05:07 |
| nathan__ | ok | 05:07 |
| DBO | and a now window will pop up | 05:08 |
| DBO | there are 5 or so checkboxes | 05:08 |
| DBO | go ahead and check them all =) | 05:08 |
| DBO | then press the close button | 05:08 |
| nathan__ | breezy badger? | 05:08 |
| DBO | oh thats why its not there, you are on 5.10 | 05:09 |
| nathan__ | i take it i need these updates | 05:09 |
| DBO | that came out a little less than two years ago | 05:09 |
| nathan__ | lol i just got it from a friend | 05:09 |
| nathan__ | but he said it was old | 05:09 |
| nathan__ | and u update it like every 6 months | 05:09 |
| DBO | thats ok, nice thing about Ubuntu, you can upgrade it =) | 05:09 |
| nathan__ | ok so what i need to do is update ? | 05:10 |
| DBO | yeah just close everything | 05:10 |
| DBO | (except this chat) | 05:10 |
| DBO | we will use the update manager | 05:10 |
| DBO | is there System -> Administration -> Update Manager | 05:12 |
| DBO | available to you? | 05:12 |
| nathan__ | ok so don't do anything with the other thing | 05:12 |
| DBO | yep | 05:12 |
| DBO | just close it all down | 05:12 |
| nathan__ | synaptic close right | 05:12 |
| DBO | yep =) | 05:12 |
| DBO | btw, are you on highspeed | 05:12 |
| nathan__ | satilite | 05:12 |
| nathan__ | about 150 down | 05:12 |
| DBO | do you get charged by the bandwidth or is it unlimited? | 05:13 |
| nathan__ | i get charged if i got over but yeah I wont | 05:13 |
| nathan__ | cause i haven't downloaded in a long time | 05:13 |
| nathan__ | i get 80 GB a month | 05:13 |
| DBO | ok well let me lay out the two options here | 05:13 |
| nathan__ | i use about 30 average | 05:13 |
| nathan__ | 228 megs | 05:14 |
| DBO | option A) we go through the upgrade procedure, this means you dont have to reinstall but since badger is so old, we have to go badger -> dapper -> edgy -> feisty | 05:14 |
| nathan__ | damn | 05:14 |
| DBO | the other option is to have you download the feisty install CD and reinstall | 05:15 |
| DBO | which will save you bandwidth and probably time | 05:15 |
| nathan__ | ok so how do i do that? | 05:15 |
| DBO | are you comfortable enough to be able to install it on your own? | 05:15 |
| nathan__ | lol i got this one didn't i LOL | 05:15 |
| DBO | I wasnt sure | 05:15 |
| nathan__ | however i don't like the damn boot loader | 05:16 |
| DBO | but yes you did =) | 05:16 |
| DBO | I can show you how to make the boot loader pretty =) | 05:16 |
| nathan__ | i have windows XP, Vista, and this | 05:16 |
| nathan__ | i have acronis boot loader and i love it | 05:16 |
| DBO | shhhh... those are heathen words around here =P | 05:16 |
| nathan__ | lol | 05:17 |
| DBO | where do you live (need to know to get you a fast mirror) | 05:17 |
| nathan__ | West of Chicago about 50 Miles | 05:17 |
| DBO | hey, Im in michigan =) | 05:18 |
| nathan__ | cool | 05:18 |
| DBO | http://mirrors.cs.wmich.edu/ubuntu-releases/feisty/ubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386.iso | 05:18 |
| nathan__ | how big is this final going to be? | 05:18 |
| DBO | there you go | 05:18 |
| DBO | 1 CD worth | 05:18 |
| nathan__ | dvd or CD | 05:19 |
| DBO | CD | 05:19 |
| DBO | 700MB | 05:19 |
| DBO | you have a CD burner? | 05:19 |
| nathan__ | yup | 05:19 |
| nathan__ | do i have the software on here? | 05:19 |
| DBO | goodie =) | 05:19 |
| DBO | yes you do | 05:19 |
| nathan__ | or do i have to download something? | 05:20 |
| nathan__ | sweet | 05:20 |
| nathan__ | what's it called? | 05:20 |
| DBO | goooooood question | 05:20 |
| nathan__ | 2% done | 05:20 |
| DBO | i think its called gnomebaker | 05:21 |
| nathan__ | lol ok? | 05:22 |
| Spiker__ | The basic one? | 05:22 |
| Spiker__ | Doesn't it do it from Nautlis? | 05:22 |
| DBO | did it do that in breezy? | 05:22 |
| Spiker__ | Hmm | 05:22 |
| Spiker__ | If I remember correctly | 05:23 |
| DBO | nathan__, when it finishes downloading see if right clicking on it gives an option to burn it | 05:23 |
| DBO | it should... | 05:23 |
| nathan__ | im installing gnomebaker | 05:23 |
| Spiker__ | Or just open your cd drive in Nautlis, and it should have something for burning cd's | 05:23 |
| DBO | well he needs to burn an ISO not a data CD | 05:24 |
| Spiker__ | Ah | 05:24 |
| DBO | I know nautilus hasnt properly checked for that until recently | 05:24 |
| Spiker__ | Yeah | 05:24 |
| nathan__ | so i installed the software | 05:24 |
| DBO | =) | 05:25 |
| DBO | wanna see what my desktop looks like while you wait? | 05:25 |
| nathan__ | sure | 05:25 |
| Spiker__ | Quick question | 05:25 |
| Spiker__ | Is there some way I can have my wifi connect at startup without having to use the keyring manager? | 05:25 |
| Spiker__ | That's been bugging me for the longest time | 05:26 |
| DBO | yeah, you need to specify its settings in /etc/network or whatever the hell it is called, which interface is your wireless? | 05:26 |
| Spiker__ | wlan0 | 05:26 |
| DBO | and WEP, WPA? | 05:26 |
| Spiker__ | wpa2 | 05:27 |
| nathan__ | DBO be right back i need a cd | 05:27 |
| Spiker__ | All with a broadcom :/ | 05:27 |
| DBO | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2711949 <--- check that out Spiker__ | 05:27 |
| DBO | if you get lost feel free to ask | 05:28 |
| DBO | http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotwn7.png <--- my previous desktop | 05:28 |
| DBO | precious | 05:28 |
| Spiker__ | Ah, it's not a problem with connecting, I just want to know if there's someway to skip entering a password to unlock it | 05:29 |
| DBO | thats how you do it | 05:29 |
| DBO | if you add the information to /etc/network/interfaces | 05:29 |
| DBO | it wont ask | 05:29 |
| nathan__ | pretty sweet picture DBO | 05:30 |
| DBO | since Network Manager is no longer handling it (I hate that thing) | 05:30 |
| DBO | nathan__, I love customizing =) | 05:30 |
| nathan__ | i can tell | 05:30 |
| nathan__ | someday lol | 05:30 |
| nathan__ | yeah this is not taking as along as i thought | 05:31 |
| DBO | what, the download? | 05:32 |
| nathan__ | yeah | 05:32 |
| nathan__ | 20 percent | 05:32 |
| nathan__ | said an hour when i started | 05:32 |
| nathan__ | so what else do i need to know how to do? | 05:33 |
| DBO | for now, you are doing well =) | 05:35 |
| DBO | lets get feisty going | 05:35 |
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| LjL | ubotwo part | 02:21 |
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| alvins | hay alguien aqui? | 09:23 |
| alvins | hello | 09:23 |
| alvins | anybody here? | 09:23 |
| nalioth | hi alvins | 09:29 |
| alvins | hi | 09:29 |
| alvins | how are you? | 09:29 |
| nalioth | ok, what's up? | 09:29 |
| alvins | i'm from venezuela | 09:29 |
| alvins | i have a little question | 09:29 |
| alvins | my english is not so good, but i'm work in it | 09:30 |
| alvins | i've a laptop toshiba tecra a6 sp561 | 09:31 |
| alvins | what application a i need to install to monitoring my cpu, the frecuency and temperature? | 09:31 |
| alvins | i think that the temperature is so hot and i can't monitoring it | 09:34 |
| alvins | can you help me? | 09:34 |
| nalioth | alvins: they weren't able to help you in #ubuntu ? | 09:37 |
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| azteech | hi everyone. Anyone here have a link to any howto's for dual booting 32- and 64-bit feisty? | 10:38 |
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