[02:33] <rgat76> hi
[02:33] <rgat76> help
[02:34] <rgat76> it seems that ubuntu dapper it not friendly with wifi
[04:40] <DBO> hiya nathan__
[04:40] <nathan__> hi someone told me to come here to get a help
[04:40] <DBO> ok lets get you using your new desktop like a pro =)
[04:40] <DBO> I did =)
[04:40] <nathan__> alright sweet
[04:40] <nathan__> lol ok
[04:41] <DBO> Ok lets start with the most basic thing, installing new software
[04:41] <nathan__> alright sounds good
[04:41] <DBO> so you see the menus at the top right?
[04:41] <nathan__> yes
[04:42] <DBO> ok see the one that says applications?
[04:42] <nathan__> or do u mean top left?
[04:42] <DBO> go in there and click "Add/Remove"
[04:43] <nathan__> i found it on the top left and i clicked add programs?
[04:43] <DBO> yep =)
[04:44] <DBO> you are doing fine
[04:44] <nathan__> good
[04:44] <DBO> did a new window pop up
[04:44] <nathan__> yes
[04:44] <DBO> ok so this is the primary way you can install supported software on your system
[04:44] <nathan__> alright sweet
[04:44] <DBO> this contains a large variety of different software from passtime games to office software to educational suites
[04:45] <nathan__> alright
[04:45] <DBO> click on Games on the left
[04:45] <nathan__> lol i did
[04:45] <DBO> Scroll down till you find Sudoku
[04:46] <DBO> and check the box next to it
[04:46] <DBO> then press the apply button
[04:46] <DBO> it will ask you if the changes you have made are what you want
[04:46] <DBO> click apply again
[04:46] <nathan__> there isn't one called that
[04:47] <DBO> ok pick a different game
[04:47] <DBO> anything that looks interesting
[04:47] <DBO> (just nothing that starts with a K, Ill explain that later)
[04:48] <nathan__> ok i picked one
[04:48] <nathan__> im installing
[04:48] <DBO> =)
[04:49] <nathan__> downloading actually?
[04:49] <DBO> yep
[04:49] <DBO> it downloads it and installs it for you
[04:49] <nathan__> does that mean i download a game or software each time i install it?
[04:49] <DBO> yes, when you select new software to install it downloads it from the internet
[04:50] <DBO> if you are on a dial-up modem or have to pay through the nose for bandwidth there are ways to help mitigate your bandwidth usage
[04:50] <nathan__> what happens if i download it from somewhere else? and save it to my desktop or someitng does it still do that or is that more of an advanced thing to do?
[04:51] <DBO> you wont find yourself doing that
[04:51] <DBO> I take it you are an Apple user?
[04:51] <nathan__> lol no
[04:51] <nathan__> i just am not used to the typing commands and stuff
[04:52] <DBO> ok generally speaking you shouldnt need to go into the command line too much
[04:52] <DBO> you see a lot of that in #ubuntu because for guys like me its easier to get people to do exactly what we want that way
[04:52] <DBO> basically when we tech support the user becomes our eyes and hands into their terminals =P
[04:53] <DBO> however now that you have downloaded a single piece of software
[04:53] <DBO> let me explain the difference between ubuntu and the windows world when it comes to installing software
[04:53] <nathan__> yes and im playing it
[04:53] <nathan__> so it worked
[04:54] <DBO> in Ubuntu almost every piece of software you might want to install is kept in what is called a repository... this can be thought of as a giant software server
[04:54] <DBO> anything you want can be accessed through these servers
[04:54] <DBO> you dont run install programs
[04:54] <nathan__> ok gotcha
[04:54] <DBO> you dont have to download it yourself
[04:55] <DBO> its all just at your fingertips and you dont really have to worry about the gritty details, thats our job =)
[04:55] <nathan__> so what your are saying is that EVERYTHING is free?
[04:55] <DBO> EVERYTHING
[04:55] <nathan__> cool
[04:55] <nathan__> so basically its a server over the internet and i just download the stuff i want
[04:55] <DBO> right
[04:56] <nathan__> cool
[04:56] <DBO> and you can uninstall stuff the exact same way you just installed it
[04:56] <nathan__> cool
[04:56] <DBO> one word of warning however
[04:56] <DBO> software in the linux world has what are called "dependencies"
[04:56] <DBO> this means one piece of software might rely on another
[04:56] <nathan__> ok?
[04:56] <DBO> for example
[04:57] <DBO> you see the clock on the top right of your screen?
[04:57] <nathan__> yes
[04:57] <DBO> if you click on that a little calendar pops up
[04:57] <nathan__> yes
[04:57] <DBO> that calendar is actually managed by another application called Evolution, which is a personal information manager (email, notes, contacts, and calendar)
[04:57] <DBO> so for that to work, you must also have evolution installed
[04:57] <nathan__> ah
[04:58] <DBO> so what would happen if you were to try to uninstall evolution you ask?
[04:58] <nathan__> hense dependencies lol
[04:58] <nathan__> it wouldn't work
[04:58] <DBO> well... because that little calendar at the top right depends on it, it will uninstall that too
[04:58] <nathan__> ok good to know
[04:58] <DBO> because dependencies are not suggestions, in linux they are mandatory
[04:58] <DBO> however, that said, the package manager will take care of that for you
[04:58] <nathan__> how would u find out what is linked to what?
[04:58] <DBO> if something depends on something else, it will install both for you
[04:59] <nathan__> like how do u know that the callender is linked
[04:59] <DBO> how do I know myself?  I know how it works
[04:59] <DBO> but here is the general rule
[04:59] <DBO> everything you install yourself you are allowed to uninstall
[04:59] <nathan__> ok
[04:59] <DBO> everything else is considered to be part of the base system
[04:59] <DBO> and should not be removed
[05:00] <nathan__> alright so just like windows
[05:00] <DBO> simple enough?
[05:00] <nathan__> yes i think
[05:00] <DBO> ok, so one thing you will find is that in Ubuntu there are three levels of software support
[05:01] <DBO> there is officially supported software
[05:01] <nathan__> do i have the latest verison of Linux?
[05:01] <nathan__> ok
[05:01] <DBO> unofficially supported software
[05:01] <DBO> and non-free (as in not GPL, still free as in money) unofficially supported software
[05:02] <DBO> currently, you only have enabled access to the first type
[05:02] <nathan__> ok
[05:02] <DBO> lets go ahead and enable the last two since it gives you access to more software =)
[05:02] <nathan__> ok sweet
[05:02] <DBO> so now we need to enable them
[05:03] <DBO> if you go to System -> Administration -> Software Sources
[05:03] <DBO> it will ask you for your password again (security is everything)
[05:03] <DBO> and then a new box will pop up
[05:03] <DBO> do you see it?
[05:03] <nathan__> its not there
[05:04] <DBO> really?
[05:04] <nathan__> yes
[05:05] <DBO> ok no big deal
[05:05] <nathan__> ok good
[05:06] <DBO> go to System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager
[05:06] <DBO> sometimes my menus differ from users because I have a bad tendency to change things =P
[05:06] <nathan__> ok
[05:06] <DBO> Synaptic is the big scary brother of the add remove program you used earlier
[05:07] <DBO> this thing shows you EVERYTHING you would want to know about software available to you
[05:07] <DBO> in here we are going to go to Settings -> Repositories
[05:07] <nathan__> ok
[05:08] <DBO> and a now window will pop up
[05:08] <DBO> there are 5 or so checkboxes
[05:08] <DBO> go ahead and check them all =)
[05:08] <DBO> then press the close button
[05:08] <nathan__> breezy badger?
[05:09] <DBO> oh thats why its not there, you are on 5.10
[05:09] <nathan__> i take it i need these updates
[05:09] <DBO> that came out a little less than two years ago
[05:09] <nathan__> lol i just got it from a friend
[05:09] <nathan__> but he said it was old
[05:09] <nathan__> and u update it like every 6 months
[05:09] <DBO> thats ok, nice thing about Ubuntu, you can upgrade it =)
[05:10] <nathan__> ok so what i need to do is update ?
[05:10] <DBO> yeah just close everything
[05:10] <DBO> (except this chat)
[05:10] <DBO> we will use the update manager
[05:12] <DBO> is there System -> Administration -> Update Manager
[05:12] <DBO> available to you?
[05:12] <nathan__> ok so don't do anything with the other thing
[05:12] <DBO> yep
[05:12] <DBO> just close it all down
[05:12] <nathan__> synaptic close right
[05:12] <DBO> yep =)
[05:12] <DBO> btw, are you on highspeed
[05:12] <nathan__> satilite
[05:12] <nathan__> about 150 down
[05:13] <DBO> do you get charged by the bandwidth or is it unlimited?
[05:13] <nathan__> i get charged if i got over but yeah I wont
[05:13] <nathan__> cause i haven't downloaded in a long time
[05:13] <nathan__> i get 80 GB a month
[05:13] <DBO> ok well let me lay out the two options here
[05:13] <nathan__> i use about 30 average
[05:14] <nathan__> 228 megs
[05:14] <DBO> option A) we go through the upgrade procedure, this means you dont have to reinstall but since badger is so old, we have to go badger -> dapper -> edgy -> feisty
[05:14] <nathan__> damn
[05:15] <DBO> the other option is to have you download the feisty install CD and reinstall
[05:15] <DBO> which will save you bandwidth and probably time
[05:15] <nathan__> ok so how do i do that?
[05:15] <DBO> are you comfortable enough to be able to install it on your own?
[05:15] <nathan__> lol i got this one didn't i LOL
[05:15] <DBO> I wasnt sure
[05:16] <nathan__> however i don't like the damn boot loader
[05:16] <DBO> but yes you did =)
[05:16] <DBO> I can show you how to make the boot loader pretty =)
[05:16] <nathan__> i have windows XP, Vista, and this
[05:16] <nathan__> i have acronis boot loader and i love it
[05:16] <DBO> shhhh... those are heathen words around here =P
[05:17] <nathan__> lol
[05:17] <DBO> where do you live (need to know to get you a fast mirror)
[05:17] <nathan__> West of Chicago about 50 Miles
[05:18] <DBO> hey, Im in michigan =)
[05:18] <nathan__> cool
[05:18] <DBO> http://mirrors.cs.wmich.edu/ubuntu-releases/feisty/ubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386.iso
[05:18] <nathan__> how big is this final going to be?
[05:18] <DBO> there you go
[05:18] <DBO> 1 CD worth
[05:19] <nathan__> dvd or CD
[05:19] <DBO> CD
[05:19] <DBO> 700MB
[05:19] <DBO> you have a CD burner?
[05:19] <nathan__> yup
[05:19] <nathan__> do i have the software on here?
[05:19] <DBO> goodie =)
[05:19] <DBO> yes you do
[05:20] <nathan__> or do i have to download something?
[05:20] <nathan__> sweet
[05:20] <nathan__> what's it called?
[05:20] <DBO> goooooood question
[05:20] <nathan__> 2% done
[05:21] <DBO> i think its called gnomebaker
[05:22] <nathan__> lol ok?
[05:22] <Spiker__> The basic one?
[05:22] <Spiker__> Doesn't it do it from Nautlis?
[05:22] <DBO> did it do that in breezy?
[05:22] <Spiker__> Hmm
[05:23] <Spiker__> If I remember correctly
[05:23] <DBO> nathan__, when it finishes downloading see if right clicking on it gives an option to burn it
[05:23] <DBO> it should...
[05:23] <nathan__> im installing gnomebaker
[05:23] <Spiker__> Or just open your cd drive in Nautlis, and it should have something for burning cd's
[05:24] <DBO> well he needs to burn an ISO not a data CD
[05:24] <Spiker__> Ah
[05:24] <DBO> I know nautilus hasnt properly checked for that until recently
[05:24] <Spiker__> Yeah
[05:24] <nathan__> so i installed the software
[05:25] <DBO> =)
[05:25] <DBO> wanna see what my desktop looks like while you wait?
[05:25] <nathan__> sure
[05:25] <Spiker__> Quick question
[05:25] <Spiker__> Is there some way I can have my wifi connect at startup without having to use the keyring manager?
[05:26] <Spiker__> That's been bugging me for the longest time
[05:26] <DBO> yeah, you need to specify its settings in /etc/network or whatever the hell it is called, which interface is your wireless?
[05:26] <Spiker__> wlan0
[05:26] <DBO> and WEP, WPA?
[05:27] <Spiker__> wpa2
[05:27] <nathan__> DBO be right back i need a cd
[05:27] <Spiker__> All with a broadcom :/
[05:27] <DBO> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2711949   <--- check that out Spiker__
[05:28] <DBO> if you get lost feel free to ask
[05:28] <DBO> http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotwn7.png  <--- my previous desktop
[05:28] <DBO> precious
[05:29] <Spiker__> Ah, it's not a problem with connecting, I just want to know if there's someway to skip entering a password to unlock it
[05:29] <DBO> thats how you do it
[05:29] <DBO> if you add the information to /etc/network/interfaces
[05:29] <DBO> it wont ask
[05:30] <nathan__> pretty sweet picture DBO
[05:30] <DBO> since Network Manager is no longer handling it (I hate that thing)
[05:30] <DBO> nathan__, I love customizing =)
[05:30] <nathan__> i can tell
[05:30] <nathan__> someday lol
[05:31] <nathan__> yeah this is not taking as along as i thought
[05:32] <DBO> what, the download?
[05:32] <nathan__> yeah
[05:32] <nathan__> 20 percent
[05:32] <nathan__> said an hour when i started
[05:33] <nathan__> so what else do i need to know how to do?
[05:35] <DBO> for now, you are doing well =)
[05:35] <DBO> lets get feisty going
[02:21] <LjL> ubotwo part
[09:23] <alvins> hay alguien aqui?
[09:23] <alvins> hello
[09:23] <alvins> anybody here?
[09:29] <nalioth> hi alvins
[09:29] <alvins> hi
[09:29] <alvins> how are you?
[09:29] <nalioth> ok, what's up?
[09:29] <alvins> i'm from venezuela
[09:29] <alvins> i have a little question
[09:30] <alvins> my english is not so good, but i'm work in it
[09:31] <alvins> i've a laptop toshiba tecra a6 sp561
[09:31] <alvins> what application a i need to install to monitoring my cpu, the frecuency and temperature?
[09:34] <alvins> i think that the temperature is so hot and i can't monitoring it
[09:34] <alvins> can you help me?
[09:37] <nalioth> alvins: they weren't able to help you in #ubuntu ?
[10:38] <azteech> hi everyone. Anyone here have a link to any howto's for dual booting 32- and 64-bit feisty?