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glatzorsee you bryce!12:36
astro73_would you (plural) find a dh_installupstart script useful?12:44
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Hobbseemorning all!03:29
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Hobbseewhat does one do with http://librarian.launchpad.net/7834592/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.freemind_0.7.1-6_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?  It's failing as j2re1.4 and j2sdk1.4 are build-deps, and the licence file isnt being accepted on the buildds.04:24
desrtthat's a funny situation04:26
Hobbseeyes :)04:26
Hobbseei'm not sure how anything else handles it04:27
desrti'm not sure that there is anything else that builddeps on packages with license agreements04:27
Hobbseeit's a bit of an odd build-dep, yes.04:28
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Fujitsubatik fails for the same reason, but I hadn't bothered to look at why.04:54
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sontekhey, I was wondering if any of you guys knew what the package is called for the onscreen display for media buttons on laptops06:33
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Hobbseesontek: kmilo for kde06:37
sontekHobbsee: i'm using gnome :)06:37
Hobbseethen i have no idea, as i dont.06:37
Hobbseesuspect google might answer your question though06:37
sontekHobbsee: yeah, i'm slowly running through06:38
sontekhaven't been able to find anything yet06:38
sontekI found an app called "keytouch" thats looking promising06:39
sontekI just like to know what apps I'm using :P06:39
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marcin_anthi all10:10
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marcin_antI got a question. Some time ago I reported a bug #113310 "dbconfig-common cannot create database for package"10:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113310 in dbconfig-common "dbconfig-common cannot create database for package" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11331010:12
marcin_antand in ubuntu this bug is still unresolved - and more it's even undecided (lazy developers, bad developers ;) )10:13
polopoloMarcin_ant you have more change if you join the channel #ubuntu_bugs and then say you're problem10:13
marcin_antso I wrote about it to dbconfig-common developers list10:13
marcin_antand seanius solved this bug and released new dbconfig-common version - 1.8.3410:14
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marcin_antthat I can confirm that works poperly in ubuntu10:14
marcin_antpolopolo: ehh ok but wtf it this channel for?10:14
marcin_antI just would like to ask what to do to upgrade dbconfig-common in ubuntu?10:15
crimsun1.8.34 is already in gutsy.10:15
marcin_antcrimsun: so I will have to wait for next ubuntu release to have this bug fixed?10:16
crimsunyou can ask for a backport to feisty-backports10:17
marcin_antcrimsun: ok - ask where?10:17
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crimsunmarcin_ant: https://launchpad.net/feisty-backports/+filebug10:19
ubotwoIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ IRC is not a good medium to report bugs and this channel is for development coordination.10:19
marcin_antpolopolo: I just reported this bug and then nothing happened10:19
marcin_antpolopolo: so you cannot call my irc activity as bug report10:20
cjwatsonastro73_: only once we're actually starting to use upstart jobs and have a feel for what common actions should be abstracted away; I don't think it's a good idea to do up-front before that10:20
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marcin_antpolopolo: if this bug is solved in upstream (thanks to my dbconfig-common-devel list activity) I just wanted to tell you about it and ask what can I do to make this solution available to all Feisty users10:21
polopolomarcin_ant look bug#7093810:22
polopolo!bug 7093810:22
ubotwoSorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/10:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 70938 in cacti "installer does not create cacti database (dup-of: 113310)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7093810:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113310 in dbconfig-common "dbconfig-common cannot create database for package" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11331010:22
cjwatsonmarcin_ant: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates10:22
marcin_antcrimsun: are you aware that your development and procedures are overcomplicated? and they are not easily available even for launchpad users?10:23
cjwatsonlike Debian, we do not upgrade wholesale to new upstream versions in stable releases10:23
crimsunmarcin_ant: I fail to see how the references both cjwatson and I have provided are overcomplicated.10:23
cjwatsonmarcin_ant: the procedures are not meant to be easily available; they're meant to protect our users against instability from updates that weren't properly checked10:24
cjwatson(there have been serious problems with that in the past)10:24
cjwatsonoh, sorry, dbconfig-common is in universe, so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU instead10:25
cjwatson"wtf is this channel for"> coordination among Ubuntu developers10:25
marcin_antcjwatson: ok I agree with you but to be honest I think that all these development procedures should be easy available for launchpade registered users10:26
Fujitsumarcin_ant: They are publicly available...10:26
Burgundaviamarcin_ant: they are: via the publicly editable wiki10:27
marcin_antcjwatson: not spreaded in various wiki places10:27
cjwatsonsorry, but that's the way it is10:27
FujitsuThey're not spread.10:27
cjwatsonlaunchpad is for collaboration - it doesn't replace the wiki10:27
marcin_antok I don't have time for argue with you10:28
marcin_antI just want to help from time to time10:28
marcin_antand I don't want to waste my time for digging your procedures10:28
marcin_antI just reported bug in dbconfig-common, and in fact I reported it also to upstream and this bug is now fixed10:29
cjwatsonmarcin_ant: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment is a central reference for all of that10:29
Burgundaviaif that page lacks something, please tell us specifics so we can fix it10:29
marcin_antplease do something to make this solution available for Feisty users10:29
marcin_antthank you10:29
Burgundaviamarcin_ant: just to be absolutely clear: you want the development information moved from the Ubuntu wiki to Launcphad?10:30
Burgundaviais that your proposal to fix the issue?10:30
cjwatsonnominate the bug for feisty. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbconfig-common/+bug/113310/+nominate10:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113310 in dbconfig-common "dbconfig-common cannot create database for package" [Medium,Fix released]  10:30
marcin_antBurgundavia: sorry I don't have time to talk now - maybe at the evening10:33
FujitsuAnd preferably start the SRU procedures, by creating a debdiff.10:33
marcin_antBurgundavia: but all I want to say is that if there is bug reported in launchpad10:33
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marcin_antBurgundavia: and there is solution in upstream, then someone should at least change this bug from Undecided to... something different10:34
Burgundaviasomeone means you10:34
Burgundaviathe paid staff are limited and community just as so10:34
marcin_antBurgundavia: or note that fix is available but will be released with next release10:34
FujitsuPriority doesn't have anything to do with the upstream status.10:34
Burgundaviaand the best way to win over people is with honey :)10:34
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marcin_antBurgundavia: maybe me - but in fact I don't know what your release procedure is10:35
Burgundaviathen you ask10:35
Burgundaviaat this point we told you10:35
marcin_antBurgundavia: and I don't have privileges to change from "undecided" etc.10:35
Burgundaviafor that you can also ask10:35
marcin_antBurgundavia: anyway I got package for Feisty and I use this for myself maybe I will find some time to report this to feisty backports...10:36
marcin_antsorry I have to go now.10:36
jmg[ 1225.200228]  SCSI device sde: 4022272 512-byte hdwr sectors (2059 MB)10:42
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ompaulBurgundavia, can you mute ubotwo ?10:49
Burgundavianot here, not an op in this chan10:50
ompaulahh we need someone too :)10:50
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ompaulI lost my login to it :-( and I don't own it so I cant just go in through the back door :)10:50
cjwatson+q, yes?10:50
ompaulor op me for two second10:50
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ompaulthats the one :)10:51
ompaulcheers colin10:51
cjwatsonsomething translated +q to +b, but whatever :)10:51
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ompaulthe % is the mute10:51
cjwatsonpolopolo: btw, #ubuntu-bugs isn't really a good place for users to ask about bugs10:51
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cjwatsonit's more for coordination among bug triagers10:52
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polopoloah, I'm new :P10:55
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mdkeis it usual to assign untriaged bugs to Ubuntu Drivers?12:11
mdkeI'm not sure there is much I can help with on bug 11697212:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 116972 in Ubuntu "Hp LaserJet 1005 wont work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11697212:12
mdkeI dunno if that is the result of a button which launchpad has, like "nominate for release" or somethin12:13
Fujitsumdke: No, that should never be done, AFAIK.12:18
FujitsuThe nomination might do that now, but I don't think so.12:19
mdkeso someone has assigned them manually?12:20
FujitsuYes, polopolo did.12:20
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EnolaGayhi all01:24
EnolaGayIs apport-gtk fixed in Feisty or is it scheduled for Gutsy?01:24
EnolaGay+planned to get01:24
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Hobbseehi all01:33
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Hobbseehi `23meg 01:38
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`23megis anyone informed on the status of the work on encrypted block device support in Ubiquity?01:49
Hobbsee`23meg: does the corresponding spec say who's involved?01:51
Hobbseeon the wiki page?01:51
`23megyes, cjwatson, who seems to be away :)01:52
Hobbseewell, it is the weekend01:53
EnolaGay Is apport-gtk planned to get fixed in Feisty or is it scheduled for Gutsy?01:53
HobbseeEnolaGay: ask pitti  about that01:53
EnolaGayHobbsee: I know but he isn't here too :)01:53
Hobbseelikely gutsy, though.  unless it's a SRU candidate01:53
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Hobbseedepending on what hte bug is, and how important the fix is01:54
EnolaGayBut without the fix most users won't post any crash report.01:54
Hobbseehiya Lure 01:54
HobbseeEnolaGay: after seeing some of the recent reports filed...i'm not sure we watn them to.01:54
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Lurehi Hobbsee01:55
LureHobbsee: do you work on kdepim/networkstatus issue?01:55
EnolaGaySounds a little bit sarcastic ;)01:55
EnolaGaySo it is not a bug but a feature.01:55
HobbseeLure: heya.  which one?  networkstatus, or networkstatus-dev?01:55
LureHobbsee: -dev01:55
HobbseeEnolaGay: i dont use apport-gtk, so i dont know.  but it was planned to turn it off during feisty, i thought.  ask pitti.01:56
EnolaGayMaybe apport-gt should just check if there is already a similar bug report.01:56
HobbseeLure: patch done.  some people are reporting trouble with upgrades, so i havent gotten it uploaded yet01:56
HobbseeLure: kontact/knoda desktop file overwrite, it seems.01:56
HobbseeEnolaGay: there's plans for that, but not in apport01:57
LureHobbsee: just checked, this is already a problem with current package01:57
HobbseeLure: the file overwrite?01:57
EnolaGayHobbsee: Ok, I am going to ask pitti but I thought apport is a great idea. Thanks.01:57
LureHobbsee: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/services/kontact/knodeplugin.desktop'01:58
HobbseeLure: yes - /usr/share/services/kontact/knodeplugin.desktop hasnt been distributed since 3.5.5 or so.01:58
LureHobbsee: but where? in kontact or knode?01:58
HobbseeLure: i've put in a preinst for knoda to delete that file, but havent tried it01:58
Hobbseein kontact01:59
Hobbseeit's in knode only01:59
LureHobbsee: problem is that kontact also ships it01:59
Hobbseewhich version of kontact?01:59
Hobbseeit's not listed in the kontact.install, which is confusing me02:00
LureHobbsee: it is listed in dpkg -L on installed system ;-)02:00
Hobbseeand the changelog is the only thing that grep finds02:00
HobbseeLure: this is true - which appears to have been put there from a pre kde 3.5.5 version02:00
Hobbseeso i'm not sure if a preinst of knoda to remove it is the right solution, or what02:01
LureHobbsee: 3.5.7 for feisty does not ship it (just checked in chroot)02:01
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HobbseeLure: i'll admit now, i dont understand why this file is still here.02:02
Hobbseeunless nothing has removed it previously02:02
LureHobbsee: it is a ghost file ;-)02:03
HobbseeLure: how's the best way to remove it though?02:03
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LureHobbsee: not sure what Riddell did for feisty...02:06
HobbseeLure: he didnt.  same bug.02:07
LureHobbsee: but my feisty package does not have knode desktop file!?02:07
LureHobbsee: just .la/.so files are there02:08
HobbseeLure: in knoda, or kontact install file?02:08
LureHobbsee: kontact02:08
LureI do not have knode installed on feisty02:08
HobbseeLure: that's correct - because it's not there, because it's only a ghost file, like you said.02:08
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HobbseeLure: it's only in knoda.install now02:09
HobbseeLure: i'm assuming that one can just remove the ghost file in a preinst or something, and the problem goes away.  but i've not dealt with them before, i'm not sure.02:10
HobbseeLure: sorry if i'm being short with you.  work was...well, interesting.02:13
LureHobbsee: ;-) - I am a bit slow too (mostly in bed for last 4 days :-( )02:14
Hobbseeeek :(02:14
LureHobbsee: problem seems to be that kontact.install packages whole /usr/share/services/kontact subtree, including knodeplugin.desktop02:16
HobbseeLure: ahhh...02:18
HobbseeLure: so it does.  hand me the duncecap please.02:20
LureHobbsee: I was staring there also for 10 minutes and did not notice it... ;-)02:20
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LjLubotwo part02:22
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ompaulcjwatson, you can now unban the standby bot :-) cheers02:28
FujitsuWhat was killing the bot before?02:28
Hobbseeompaul: which now?02:29
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bhale-|- 19 - #ubuntu-devel: ban %ubotwo!*@* [by cjwatson, 13093 secs ago] 02:29
ompaulFujitsu, the other one had a regex issue, 02:29
bhaletihs one02:29
bhaleHobbsee: oh :)02:29
Hobbseegot it :)02:29
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Hobbseeno problem02:29
ompaulcjwatson, guess Hobbsee beat you to it02:29
Hobbseehe's not here, i dont think02:30
FujitsuThat's what Hobbsee does.02:30
Hobbseeit's saturday lunch02:30
HobbseeFujitsu: yes, i beat people up.  it's a good skill.02:30
FujitsuI noticed.02:30
mneptoki beat people off. i'm more popular than Hobbsee.02:35
Hobbseemneptok: only on the "i wish to kill you" scale.02:35
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mneptokHobbsee: you need to pay more attention to bathroom grafitti02:36
Fujitsumneptok: Wise words/02:36
Hobbseei'm probalby in the wrong bathrooms.02:36
mneptokHobbsee: that's .... not a drinking fountain.02:37
Fujitsuogra-classmate: How's the Classmate going?02:38
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Hobbseehi ogra02:38
Hobbseethose classmates look cool02:38
Hobbseehi spam02:38
FujitsuWhy's he spam now?02:38
ogra-classmaterunning evolution, gaim and epiphany alongside with no probs atm02:38
Hobbseebecause he's greeneggsandspam.02:39
Hobbseewhich shortens to spam02:39
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mneptokFirefok? ;)02:39
ogra-classmatewell, it seems to be a lot better than firefox here02:39
Fujitsu1.5GiB of RAM after a few days just isn't cool.02:39
jsgotangcoHobbsee: err its greeneggsnospam02:40
ogra-classmateand it renders pages way better suited for the display size02:40
Hobbseejsgotangco: ahhh02:40
Hobbseejsgotangco: which still shortens to spam02:40
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Hobbseewow, some one must have gone thru the -devel moderation queue02:40
HobbseeFujitsu: it's not that late...02:40
FujitsuHobbsee: I've been up way to late lately; I slept in until 11:30 this morning.02:41
Hobbseestart getting up at 3am.02:41
Hobbseeyou see all the europeans, before they go to bed.02:41
FujitsuUnfortunately I can't really turn nocturnal.02:42
Hobbseesure you can02:43
Hobbseejust go overseas02:43
Hobbseeyou're in the air for long enough that you can change what timezone your body is in to whatever you like.02:43
FujitsuHeh, parents'd love that :P02:43
Hobbseemine didnt die :P02:43
FujitsuThat I know well.02:43
FujitsuBut you're ancient!02:43
HobbseeFujitsu: you're a male.  you're a *lot* safer going overseas.02:44
FujitsuTrue, that.02:44
FujitsuAnyway, goodnight.02:45
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Hobbseeif a bug counts as grave in debian, and hasnt been fixed by the upstream, is it worth at least thinking about removing the package from teh archive?04:17
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Hobbseehasnt been fixed since 0504:20
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persiaHobbsee: Which bug?  Could it be fixed locally?04:23
Hobbseepersia: debian's marked it as upstream, upstream hasnt fixed it.  04:24
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Hobbseepersia: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkinstall/+bug/4576304:24
ubotuLaunchpad bug 45763 in checkinstall "checkinstall hid my root partition " [High,Unconfirmed]  04:24
Hobbseei suspect it's not worth fixing, based on what it is.04:24
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persiaHobbsee: That bug is fixed in Debian with checkinstall 1.6.1-1.  Can't we just merge/sync?04:27
Hobbseepersia: is it?04:28
Hobbseeit's already merged04:28
persiaHobbsee: Read the Debian bug report :)04:28
Hobbseei did, it said "we cant reproduce this, file upstream"04:28
persiaHobbsee: See the very last post :)04:28
persia(yes, it was unreproducible, upstream)04:29
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Hobbseeah, gotcha04:29
Hobbseedidnt get that far, for some reaon04:29
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Hobbseemorning desrt, are we keeping you up?04:31
desrti'm not sure how that would work, so i suspect the answer is no04:32
desrtjust late night + early morning04:32
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desrttoday i have hacking to do!  yay.04:35
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wereHamsterwhich package does provide /usr/lib32/libX11.so on a amd64 system?10:08
wereHamster.. and /usr/lib32/libXv.so{.?}10:10
tsmithedpkg -S is handy10:10
wereHamsterdo I have to have the package installed?10:11
wereHamster.. because I don't10:12
wereHamsterI want to find out which one I have to install10:12
Lutintsmithe: dpkg -S requires a package to work on. apt-file would be a better solution10:12
tsmithehmm yes10:12
tsmithethat's why i didn't attempt it here :P10:12
wereHamsterdon't have apt-file :(10:12
tsmithethanks for that command10:12
LutinwereHamster: then install it :)10:13
wereHamster.. assuming I'd have to 'apt-file update' first.. which doesn't work on a livecd10:15
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