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| glatzor | see you bryce! | 12:36 |
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| astro73_ | would you (plural) find a dh_installupstart script useful? | 12:44 |
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| Hobbsee | morning all! | 03:29 |
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| Hobbsee | what does one do with http://librarian.launchpad.net/7834592/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.freemind_0.7.1-6_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? It's failing as j2re1.4 and j2sdk1.4 are build-deps, and the licence file isnt being accepted on the buildds. | 04:24 |
| Hobbsee | ? | 04:24 |
| desrt | that's a funny situation | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | yes :) | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | i'm not sure how anything else handles it | 04:27 |
| desrt | i'm not sure that there is anything else that builddeps on packages with license agreements | 04:27 |
| Hobbsee | it's a bit of an odd build-dep, yes. | 04:28 |
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| Fujitsu | batik fails for the same reason, but I hadn't bothered to look at why. | 04:54 |
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| sontek | hey, I was wondering if any of you guys knew what the package is called for the onscreen display for media buttons on laptops | 06:33 |
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| Hobbsee | sontek: kmilo for kde | 06:37 |
| sontek | Hobbsee: i'm using gnome :) | 06:37 |
| Hobbsee | then i have no idea, as i dont. | 06:37 |
| Hobbsee | suspect google might answer your question though | 06:37 |
| sontek | Hobbsee: yeah, i'm slowly running through | 06:38 |
| sontek | haven't been able to find anything yet | 06:38 |
| sontek | I found an app called "keytouch" thats looking promising | 06:39 |
| sontek | I just like to know what apps I'm using :P | 06:39 |
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| marcin_ant | hi all | 10:10 |
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| marcin_ant | I got a question. Some time ago I reported a bug #113310 "dbconfig-common cannot create database for package" | 10:12 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 113310 in dbconfig-common "dbconfig-common cannot create database for package" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113310 | 10:12 |
| polopolo | Hello | 10:12 |
| marcin_ant | and in ubuntu this bug is still unresolved - and more it's even undecided (lazy developers, bad developers ;) ) | 10:13 |
| polopolo | Marcin_ant you have more change if you join the channel #ubuntu_bugs and then say you're problem | 10:13 |
| marcin_ant | so I wrote about it to dbconfig-common developers list | 10:13 |
| marcin_ant | and seanius solved this bug and released new dbconfig-common version - 1.8.34 | 10:14 |
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| marcin_ant | that I can confirm that works poperly in ubuntu | 10:14 |
| marcin_ant | polopolo: ehh ok but wtf it this channel for? | 10:14 |
| marcin_ant | I just would like to ask what to do to upgrade dbconfig-common in ubuntu? | 10:15 |
| crimsun | 1.8.34 is already in gutsy. | 10:15 |
| marcin_ant | crimsun: so I will have to wait for next ubuntu release to have this bug fixed? | 10:16 |
| crimsun | you can ask for a backport to feisty-backports | 10:17 |
| marcin_ant | crimsun: ok - ask where? | 10:17 |
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| crimsun | marcin_ant: https://launchpad.net/feisty-backports/+filebug | 10:19 |
| polopolo | !bugs | 10:19 |
| ubotwo | If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ IRC is not a good medium to report bugs and this channel is for development coordination. | 10:19 |
| marcin_ant | polopolo: I just reported this bug and then nothing happened | 10:19 |
| marcin_ant | polopolo: so you cannot call my irc activity as bug report | 10:20 |
| cjwatson | astro73_: only once we're actually starting to use upstart jobs and have a feel for what common actions should be abstracted away; I don't think it's a good idea to do up-front before that | 10:20 |
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| marcin_ant | polopolo: if this bug is solved in upstream (thanks to my dbconfig-common-devel list activity) I just wanted to tell you about it and ask what can I do to make this solution available to all Feisty users | 10:21 |
| polopolo | marcin_ant look bug#70938 | 10:22 |
| polopolo | !bug 70938 | 10:22 |
| ubotwo | Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/ | 10:22 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 70938 in cacti "installer does not create cacti database (dup-of: 113310)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70938 | 10:22 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 113310 in dbconfig-common "dbconfig-common cannot create database for package" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113310 | 10:22 |
| cjwatson | marcin_ant: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 10:22 |
| marcin_ant | crimsun: are you aware that your development and procedures are overcomplicated? and they are not easily available even for launchpad users? | 10:23 |
| cjwatson | like Debian, we do not upgrade wholesale to new upstream versions in stable releases | 10:23 |
| crimsun | marcin_ant: I fail to see how the references both cjwatson and I have provided are overcomplicated. | 10:23 |
| cjwatson | marcin_ant: the procedures are not meant to be easily available; they're meant to protect our users against instability from updates that weren't properly checked | 10:24 |
| cjwatson | (there have been serious problems with that in the past) | 10:24 |
| cjwatson | oh, sorry, dbconfig-common is in universe, so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU instead | 10:25 |
| cjwatson | "wtf is this channel for"> coordination among Ubuntu developers | 10:25 |
| marcin_ant | cjwatson: ok I agree with you but to be honest I think that all these development procedures should be easy available for launchpade registered users | 10:26 |
| Fujitsu | marcin_ant: They are publicly available... | 10:26 |
| Burgundavia | marcin_ant: they are: via the publicly editable wiki | 10:27 |
| marcin_ant | cjwatson: not spreaded in various wiki places | 10:27 |
| cjwatson | sorry, but that's the way it is | 10:27 |
| Fujitsu | They're not spread. | 10:27 |
| cjwatson | launchpad is for collaboration - it doesn't replace the wiki | 10:27 |
| marcin_ant | ok I don't have time for argue with you | 10:28 |
| marcin_ant | I just want to help from time to time | 10:28 |
| marcin_ant | and I don't want to waste my time for digging your procedures | 10:28 |
| marcin_ant | I just reported bug in dbconfig-common, and in fact I reported it also to upstream and this bug is now fixed | 10:29 |
| cjwatson | marcin_ant: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment is a central reference for all of that | 10:29 |
| Burgundavia | if that page lacks something, please tell us specifics so we can fix it | 10:29 |
| marcin_ant | please do something to make this solution available for Feisty users | 10:29 |
| marcin_ant | thank you | 10:29 |
| Burgundavia | marcin_ant: just to be absolutely clear: you want the development information moved from the Ubuntu wiki to Launcphad? | 10:30 |
| Burgundavia | is that your proposal to fix the issue? | 10:30 |
| cjwatson | nominate the bug for feisty. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbconfig-common/+bug/113310/+nominate | 10:30 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 113310 in dbconfig-common "dbconfig-common cannot create database for package" [Medium,Fix released] | 10:30 |
| marcin_ant | Burgundavia: sorry I don't have time to talk now - maybe at the evening | 10:33 |
| Fujitsu | And preferably start the SRU procedures, by creating a debdiff. | 10:33 |
| marcin_ant | Burgundavia: but all I want to say is that if there is bug reported in launchpad | 10:33 |
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| marcin_ant | Burgundavia: and there is solution in upstream, then someone should at least change this bug from Undecided to... something different | 10:34 |
| Burgundavia | someone means you | 10:34 |
| Burgundavia | the paid staff are limited and community just as so | 10:34 |
| marcin_ant | Burgundavia: or note that fix is available but will be released with next release | 10:34 |
| Fujitsu | Priority doesn't have anything to do with the upstream status. | 10:34 |
| Burgundavia | and the best way to win over people is with honey :) | 10:34 |
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| marcin_ant | Burgundavia: maybe me - but in fact I don't know what your release procedure is | 10:35 |
| Burgundavia | then you ask | 10:35 |
| Burgundavia | at this point we told you | 10:35 |
| marcin_ant | Burgundavia: and I don't have privileges to change from "undecided" etc. | 10:35 |
| Burgundavia | for that you can also ask | 10:35 |
| marcin_ant | Burgundavia: anyway I got package for Feisty and I use this for myself maybe I will find some time to report this to feisty backports... | 10:36 |
| marcin_ant | sorry I have to go now. | 10:36 |
| Burgundavia | ugh | 10:40 |
| jmg | [ 1225.200228] SCSI device sde: 4022272 512-byte hdwr sectors (2059 MB) | 10:42 |
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| ompaul | Burgundavia, can you mute ubotwo ? | 10:49 |
| Burgundavia | not here, not an op in this chan | 10:50 |
| ompaul | ahh we need someone too :) | 10:50 |
| === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o cjwatson] by ChanServ | ||
| ompaul | I lost my login to it :-( and I don't own it so I cant just go in through the back door :) | 10:50 |
| cjwatson | +q, yes? | 10:50 |
| ompaul | yes | 10:50 |
| ompaul | or op me for two second | 10:50 |
| === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b %ubotwo!*@*] by cjwatson | ||
| ompaul | thats the one :) | 10:51 |
| ompaul | cheers colin | 10:51 |
| cjwatson | something translated +q to +b, but whatever :) | 10:51 |
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| ompaul | the % is the mute | 10:51 |
| cjwatson | polopolo: btw, #ubuntu-bugs isn't really a good place for users to ask about bugs | 10:51 |
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| cjwatson | it's more for coordination among bug triagers | 10:52 |
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| polopolo | ah, I'm new :P | 10:55 |
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| mdke | is it usual to assign untriaged bugs to Ubuntu Drivers? | 12:11 |
| mdke | I'm not sure there is much I can help with on bug 116972 | 12:12 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 116972 in Ubuntu "Hp LaserJet 1005 wont work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116972 | 12:12 |
| mdke | I dunno if that is the result of a button which launchpad has, like "nominate for release" or somethin | 12:13 |
| Fujitsu | mdke: No, that should never be done, AFAIK. | 12:18 |
| Fujitsu | The nomination might do that now, but I don't think so. | 12:19 |
| mdke | so someone has assigned them manually? | 12:20 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, polopolo did. | 12:20 |
| mdke | ok | 12:20 |
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| EnolaGay | hi all | 01:24 |
| EnolaGay | Is apport-gtk fixed in Feisty or is it scheduled for Gutsy? | 01:24 |
| EnolaGay | +planned to get | 01:24 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 01:33 |
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| Hobbsee | hi `23meg | 01:38 |
| `23meg | hi | 01:38 |
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| `23meg | is anyone informed on the status of the work on encrypted block device support in Ubiquity? | 01:49 |
| Hobbsee | `23meg: does the corresponding spec say who's involved? | 01:51 |
| Hobbsee | on the wiki page? | 01:51 |
| `23meg | yes, cjwatson, who seems to be away :) | 01:52 |
| Hobbsee | well, it is the weekend | 01:53 |
| EnolaGay | Is apport-gtk planned to get fixed in Feisty or is it scheduled for Gutsy? | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | EnolaGay: ask pitti about that | 01:53 |
| EnolaGay | Hobbsee: I know but he isn't here too :) | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | likely gutsy, though. unless it's a SRU candidate | 01:53 |
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| Hobbsee | depending on what hte bug is, and how important the fix is | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | etc | 01:54 |
| EnolaGay | But without the fix most users won't post any crash report. | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | hiya Lure | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | EnolaGay: after seeing some of the recent reports filed...i'm not sure we watn them to. | 01:54 |
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| Lure | hi Hobbsee | 01:55 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: do you work on kdepim/networkstatus issue? | 01:55 |
| EnolaGay | Sounds a little bit sarcastic ;) | 01:55 |
| EnolaGay | So it is not a bug but a feature. | 01:55 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: heya. which one? networkstatus, or networkstatus-dev? | 01:55 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: -dev | 01:55 |
| Hobbsee | EnolaGay: i dont use apport-gtk, so i dont know. but it was planned to turn it off during feisty, i thought. ask pitti. | 01:56 |
| EnolaGay | Maybe apport-gt should just check if there is already a similar bug report. | 01:56 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: patch done. some people are reporting trouble with upgrades, so i havent gotten it uploaded yet | 01:56 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: kontact/knoda desktop file overwrite, it seems. | 01:56 |
| Hobbsee | EnolaGay: there's plans for that, but not in apport | 01:57 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: just checked, this is already a problem with current package | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: the file overwrite? | 01:57 |
| EnolaGay | Hobbsee: Ok, I am going to ask pitti but I thought apport is a great idea. Thanks. | 01:57 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/services/kontact/knodeplugin.desktop' | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: yes - /usr/share/services/kontact/knodeplugin.desktop hasnt been distributed since 3.5.5 or so. | 01:58 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: but where? in kontact or knode? | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: i've put in a preinst for knoda to delete that file, but havent tried it | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | in kontact | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | it's in knode only | 01:59 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: problem is that kontact also ships it | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | which version of kontact? | 01:59 |
| Lure | 3.5.7-1ubuntu2 | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | it's not listed in the kontact.install, which is confusing me | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | knode.install:/usr/share/services/kontact/knodeplugin.desktop | 02:00 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: it is listed in dpkg -L on installed system ;-) | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | and the changelog is the only thing that grep finds | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: this is true - which appears to have been put there from a pre kde 3.5.5 version | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | so i'm not sure if a preinst of knoda to remove it is the right solution, or what | 02:01 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: 3.5.7 for feisty does not ship it (just checked in chroot) | 02:01 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 02:01 |
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| Hobbsee | Lure: i'll admit now, i dont understand why this file is still here. | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | unless nothing has removed it previously | 02:02 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: it is a ghost file ;-) | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: how's the best way to remove it though? | 02:03 |
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| Lure | Hobbsee: not sure what Riddell did for feisty... | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: he didnt. same bug. | 02:07 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: but my feisty package does not have knode desktop file!? | 02:07 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: just .la/.so files are there | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: in knoda, or kontact install file? | 02:08 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: kontact | 02:08 |
| Lure | I do not have knode installed on feisty | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: that's correct - because it's not there, because it's only a ghost file, like you said. | 02:08 |
| === Hobbsee thinks sh'es talking in circles here. | ||
| === Hobbsee headdesks at #ubuntu+1 | ||
| Hobbsee | Lure: it's only in knoda.install now | 02:09 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: i'm assuming that one can just remove the ghost file in a preinst or something, and the problem goes away. but i've not dealt with them before, i'm not sure. | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: sorry if i'm being short with you. work was...well, interesting. | 02:13 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: ;-) - I am a bit slow too (mostly in bed for last 4 days :-( ) | 02:14 |
| Hobbsee | eek :( | 02:14 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: problem seems to be that kontact.install packages whole /usr/share/services/kontact subtree, including knodeplugin.desktop | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: ahhh... | 02:18 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: so it does. hand me the duncecap please. | 02:20 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: I was staring there also for 10 minutes and did not notice it... ;-) | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:22 |
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| LjL | ubotwo part | 02:22 |
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| ompaul | cjwatson, you can now unban the standby bot :-) cheers | 02:28 |
| ompaul | ubotwo | 02:28 |
| Fujitsu | What was killing the bot before? | 02:28 |
| Hobbsee | ompaul: which now? | 02:29 |
| === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ | ||
| === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-b %ubotwo!*@*] by Hobbsee | ||
| bhale | -|- 19 - #ubuntu-devel: ban %ubotwo!*@* [by cjwatson, 13093 secs ago] | 02:29 |
| ompaul | Fujitsu, the other one had a regex issue, | 02:29 |
| bhale | tihs one | 02:29 |
| bhale | Hobbsee: oh :) | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | got it :) | 02:29 |
| === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ | ||
| ompaul | thanks | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | no problem | 02:29 |
| ompaul | cjwatson, guess Hobbsee beat you to it | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | he's not here, i dont think | 02:30 |
| Fujitsu | That's what Hobbsee does. | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | it's saturday lunch | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: yes, i beat people up. it's a good skill. | 02:30 |
| Fujitsu | I noticed. | 02:30 |
| mneptok | i beat people off. i'm more popular than Hobbsee. | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | mneptok: only on the "i wish to kill you" scale. | 02:35 |
| === Fujitsu kills mneptok to prove Hobbsee's point. | ||
| mneptok | Hobbsee: you need to pay more attention to bathroom grafitti | 02:36 |
| Fujitsu | mneptok: Wise words/ | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | i'm probalby in the wrong bathrooms. | 02:36 |
| mneptok | Hobbsee: that's .... not a drinking fountain. | 02:37 |
| ogra-classmate | heh | 02:38 |
| Fujitsu | ogra-classmate: How's the Classmate going? | 02:38 |
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| Hobbsee | hi ogra | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | those classmates look cool | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | hi spam | 02:38 |
| Fujitsu | Why's he spam now? | 02:38 |
| ogra-classmate | running evolution, gaim and epiphany alongside with no probs atm | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | because he's greeneggsandspam. | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | which shortens to spam | 02:39 |
| === Fujitsu complains about Epiphany leaking memory like something that leaks a lot of memory. | ||
| mneptok | Firefok? ;) | 02:39 |
| ogra-classmate | well, it seems to be a lot better than firefox here | 02:39 |
| mneptok | s/k/x/ | 02:39 |
| Fujitsu | 1.5GiB of RAM after a few days just isn't cool. | 02:39 |
| jsgotangco | Hobbsee: err its greeneggsnospam | 02:40 |
| ogra-classmate | and it renders pages way better suited for the display size | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | jsgotangco: ahhh | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | jsgotangco: which still shortens to spam | 02:40 |
| jsgotangco | gahh | 02:40 |
| === Fujitsu should probably head off to bed soon. | ||
| Hobbsee | wow, some one must have gone thru the -devel moderation queue | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: it's not that late... | 02:40 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: I've been up way to late lately; I slept in until 11:30 this morning. | 02:41 |
| Hobbsee | awwww | 02:41 |
| Hobbsee | start getting up at 3am. | 02:41 |
| Hobbsee | you see all the europeans, before they go to bed. | 02:41 |
| Fujitsu | Unfortunately I can't really turn nocturnal. | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | sure you can | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | just go overseas | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | you're in the air for long enough that you can change what timezone your body is in to whatever you like. | 02:43 |
| Fujitsu | Heh, parents'd love that :P | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | mine didnt die :P | 02:43 |
| Fujitsu | That I know well. | 02:43 |
| Fujitsu | But you're ancient! | 02:43 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: you're a male. you're a *lot* safer going overseas. | 02:44 |
| Fujitsu | True, that. | 02:44 |
| Fujitsu | Anyway, goodnight. | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | night! | 02:45 |
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| Hobbsee | if a bug counts as grave in debian, and hasnt been fixed by the upstream, is it worth at least thinking about removing the package from teh archive? | 04:17 |
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| Hobbsee | hasnt been fixed since 05 | 04:20 |
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| persia | Hobbsee: Which bug? Could it be fixed locally? | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | persia: debian's marked it as upstream, upstream hasnt fixed it. | 04:24 |
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| === Hobbsee grabs the bug # | ||
| Hobbsee | persia: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkinstall/+bug/45763 | 04:24 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 45763 in checkinstall "checkinstall hid my root partition " [High,Unconfirmed] | 04:24 |
| Hobbsee | i suspect it's not worth fixing, based on what it is. | 04:24 |
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| persia | Hobbsee: That bug is fixed in Debian with checkinstall 1.6.1-1. Can't we just merge/sync? | 04:27 |
| Hobbsee | persia: is it? | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | it's already merged | 04:28 |
| persia | Hobbsee: Read the Debian bug report :) | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | i did, it said "we cant reproduce this, file upstream" | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | iirc | 04:28 |
| persia | Hobbsee: See the very last post :) | 04:28 |
| persia | (yes, it was unreproducible, upstream) | 04:29 |
| === Hobbsee marks as fixed | ||
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| Hobbsee | ah, gotcha | 04:29 |
| Hobbsee | didnt get that far, for some reaon | 04:29 |
| === desrt yawns extensively | ||
| Hobbsee | morning desrt, are we keeping you up? | 04:31 |
| desrt | i'm not sure how that would work, so i suspect the answer is no | 04:32 |
| desrt | just late night + early morning | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 04:33 |
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| desrt | today i have hacking to do! yay. | 04:35 |
| Hobbsee | yay! | 04:36 |
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| wereHamster | which package does provide /usr/lib32/libX11.so on a amd64 system? | 10:08 |
| wereHamster | .. and /usr/lib32/libXv.so{.?} | 10:10 |
| tsmithe | dpkg -S is handy | 10:10 |
| wereHamster | do I have to have the package installed? | 10:11 |
| wereHamster | .. because I don't | 10:12 |
| wereHamster | I want to find out which one I have to install | 10:12 |
| Lutin | tsmithe: dpkg -S requires a package to work on. apt-file would be a better solution | 10:12 |
| tsmithe | hmm yes | 10:12 |
| tsmithe | that's why i didn't attempt it here :P | 10:12 |
| wereHamster | don't have apt-file :( | 10:12 |
| tsmithe | thanks for that command | 10:12 |
| Lutin | wereHamster: then install it :) | 10:13 |
| wereHamster | .. assuming I'd have to 'apt-file update' first.. which doesn't work on a livecd | 10:15 |
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