[12:36] <glatzor> see you bryce!
[12:44] <astro73_> would you (plural) find a dh_installupstart script useful?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> morning all!
[04:24] <Hobbsee> what does one do with http://librarian.launchpad.net/7834592/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.freemind_0.7.1-6_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?  It's failing as j2re1.4 and j2sdk1.4 are build-deps, and the licence file isnt being accepted on the buildds.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> ?
[04:26] <desrt> that's a funny situation
[04:26] <Hobbsee> yes :)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure how anything else handles it
[04:27] <desrt> i'm not sure that there is anything else that builddeps on packages with license agreements
[04:28] <Hobbsee> it's a bit of an odd build-dep, yes.
[04:54] <Fujitsu> batik fails for the same reason, but I hadn't bothered to look at why.
[06:33] <sontek> hey, I was wondering if any of you guys knew what the package is called for the onscreen display for media buttons on laptops
[06:37] <Hobbsee> sontek: kmilo for kde
[06:37] <sontek> Hobbsee: i'm using gnome :)
[06:37] <Hobbsee> then i have no idea, as i dont.
[06:37] <Hobbsee> suspect google might answer your question though
[06:38] <sontek> Hobbsee: yeah, i'm slowly running through
[06:38] <sontek> haven't been able to find anything yet
[06:39] <sontek> I found an app called "keytouch" thats looking promising
[06:39] <sontek> I just like to know what apps I'm using :P
[10:10] <marcin_ant> hi all
[10:12] <marcin_ant> I got a question. Some time ago I reported a bug #113310 "dbconfig-common cannot create database for package"
[10:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113310 in dbconfig-common "dbconfig-common cannot create database for package" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113310
[10:12] <polopolo> Hello
[10:13] <marcin_ant> and in ubuntu this bug is still unresolved - and more it's even undecided (lazy developers, bad developers ;) )
[10:13] <polopolo> Marcin_ant you have more change if you join the channel #ubuntu_bugs and then say you're problem
[10:13] <marcin_ant> so I wrote about it to dbconfig-common developers list
[10:14] <marcin_ant> and seanius solved this bug and released new dbconfig-common version - 1.8.34
[10:14] <marcin_ant> that I can confirm that works poperly in ubuntu
[10:14] <marcin_ant> polopolo: ehh ok but wtf it this channel for?
[10:15] <marcin_ant> I just would like to ask what to do to upgrade dbconfig-common in ubuntu?
[10:15] <crimsun> 1.8.34 is already in gutsy.
[10:16] <marcin_ant> crimsun: so I will have to wait for next ubuntu release to have this bug fixed?
[10:17] <crimsun> you can ask for a backport to feisty-backports
[10:17] <marcin_ant> crimsun: ok - ask where?
[10:19] <crimsun> marcin_ant: https://launchpad.net/feisty-backports/+filebug
[10:19] <polopolo> !bugs
[10:19] <ubotwo> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ IRC is not a good medium to report bugs and this channel is for development coordination.
[10:19] <marcin_ant> polopolo: I just reported this bug and then nothing happened
[10:20] <marcin_ant> polopolo: so you cannot call my irc activity as bug report
[10:20] <cjwatson> astro73_: only once we're actually starting to use upstart jobs and have a feel for what common actions should be abstracted away; I don't think it's a good idea to do up-front before that
[10:21] <marcin_ant> polopolo: if this bug is solved in upstream (thanks to my dbconfig-common-devel list activity) I just wanted to tell you about it and ask what can I do to make this solution available to all Feisty users
[10:22] <polopolo> marcin_ant look bug#70938
[10:22] <polopolo> !bug 70938
[10:22] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[10:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70938 in cacti "installer does not create cacti database (dup-of: 113310)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70938
[10:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113310 in dbconfig-common "dbconfig-common cannot create database for package" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113310
[10:22] <cjwatson> marcin_ant: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[10:23] <marcin_ant> crimsun: are you aware that your development and procedures are overcomplicated? and they are not easily available even for launchpad users?
[10:23] <cjwatson> like Debian, we do not upgrade wholesale to new upstream versions in stable releases
[10:23] <crimsun> marcin_ant: I fail to see how the references both cjwatson and I have provided are overcomplicated.
[10:24] <cjwatson> marcin_ant: the procedures are not meant to be easily available; they're meant to protect our users against instability from updates that weren't properly checked
[10:24] <cjwatson> (there have been serious problems with that in the past)
[10:25] <cjwatson> oh, sorry, dbconfig-common is in universe, so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU instead
[10:25] <cjwatson> "wtf is this channel for"> coordination among Ubuntu developers
[10:26] <marcin_ant> cjwatson: ok I agree with you but to be honest I think that all these development procedures should be easy available for launchpade registered users
[10:26] <Fujitsu> marcin_ant: They are publicly available...
[10:27] <Burgundavia> marcin_ant: they are: via the publicly editable wiki
[10:27] <marcin_ant> cjwatson: not spreaded in various wiki places
[10:27] <cjwatson> sorry, but that's the way it is
[10:27] <Fujitsu> They're not spread.
[10:27] <cjwatson> launchpad is for collaboration - it doesn't replace the wiki
[10:28] <marcin_ant> ok I don't have time for argue with you
[10:28] <marcin_ant> I just want to help from time to time
[10:28] <marcin_ant> and I don't want to waste my time for digging your procedures
[10:29] <marcin_ant> I just reported bug in dbconfig-common, and in fact I reported it also to upstream and this bug is now fixed
[10:29] <cjwatson> marcin_ant: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment is a central reference for all of that
[10:29] <Burgundavia> if that page lacks something, please tell us specifics so we can fix it
[10:29] <marcin_ant> please do something to make this solution available for Feisty users
[10:29] <marcin_ant> thank you
[10:30] <Burgundavia> marcin_ant: just to be absolutely clear: you want the development information moved from the Ubuntu wiki to Launcphad?
[10:30] <Burgundavia> is that your proposal to fix the issue?
[10:30] <cjwatson> nominate the bug for feisty. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbconfig-common/+bug/113310/+nominate
[10:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113310 in dbconfig-common "dbconfig-common cannot create database for package" [Medium,Fix released]  
[10:33] <marcin_ant> Burgundavia: sorry I don't have time to talk now - maybe at the evening
[10:33] <Fujitsu> And preferably start the SRU procedures, by creating a debdiff.
[10:33] <marcin_ant> Burgundavia: but all I want to say is that if there is bug reported in launchpad
[10:34] <marcin_ant> Burgundavia: and there is solution in upstream, then someone should at least change this bug from Undecided to... something different
[10:34] <Burgundavia> someone means you
[10:34] <Burgundavia> the paid staff are limited and community just as so
[10:34] <marcin_ant> Burgundavia: or note that fix is available but will be released with next release
[10:34] <Fujitsu> Priority doesn't have anything to do with the upstream status.
[10:34] <Burgundavia> and the best way to win over people is with honey :)
[10:35] <marcin_ant> Burgundavia: maybe me - but in fact I don't know what your release procedure is
[10:35] <Burgundavia> then you ask
[10:35] <Burgundavia> at this point we told you
[10:35] <marcin_ant> Burgundavia: and I don't have privileges to change from "undecided" etc.
[10:35] <Burgundavia> for that you can also ask
[10:36] <marcin_ant> Burgundavia: anyway I got package for Feisty and I use this for myself maybe I will find some time to report this to feisty backports...
[10:36] <marcin_ant> sorry I have to go now.
[10:40] <Burgundavia> ugh
[10:42] <jmg> [ 1225.200228]  SCSI device sde: 4022272 512-byte hdwr sectors (2059 MB)
[10:49] <ompaul> Burgundavia, can you mute ubotwo ?
[10:50] <Burgundavia> not here, not an op in this chan
[10:50] <ompaul> ahh we need someone too :)
[10:50] <ompaul> I lost my login to it :-( and I don't own it so I cant just go in through the back door :)
[10:50] <cjwatson> +q, yes?
[10:50] <ompaul> yes
[10:50] <ompaul> or op me for two second
[10:51] <ompaul> thats the one :)
[10:51] <ompaul> cheers colin
[10:51] <cjwatson> something translated +q to +b, but whatever :)
[10:51] <ompaul> the % is the mute
[10:51] <cjwatson> polopolo: btw, #ubuntu-bugs isn't really a good place for users to ask about bugs
[10:52] <cjwatson> it's more for coordination among bug triagers
[10:55] <polopolo> ah, I'm new :P
[12:11] <mdke> is it usual to assign untriaged bugs to Ubuntu Drivers?
[12:12] <mdke> I'm not sure there is much I can help with on bug 116972
[12:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116972 in Ubuntu "Hp LaserJet 1005 wont work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116972
[12:13] <mdke> I dunno if that is the result of a button which launchpad has, like "nominate for release" or somethin
[12:18] <Fujitsu> mdke: No, that should never be done, AFAIK.
[12:19] <Fujitsu> The nomination might do that now, but I don't think so.
[12:20] <mdke> so someone has assigned them manually?
[12:20] <Fujitsu> Yes, polopolo did.
[12:20] <mdke> ok
[01:24] <EnolaGay> hi all
[01:24] <EnolaGay> Is apport-gtk fixed in Feisty or is it scheduled for Gutsy?
[01:24] <EnolaGay> +planned to get
[01:33] <Hobbsee> hi all
[01:38] <Hobbsee> hi `23meg 
[01:38] <`23meg> hi
[01:49] <`23meg> is anyone informed on the status of the work on encrypted block device support in Ubiquity?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> `23meg: does the corresponding spec say who's involved?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> on the wiki page?
[01:52] <`23meg> yes, cjwatson, who seems to be away :)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> well, it is the weekend
[01:53] <EnolaGay>  Is apport-gtk planned to get fixed in Feisty or is it scheduled for Gutsy?
[01:53] <Hobbsee> EnolaGay: ask pitti  about that
[01:53] <EnolaGay> Hobbsee: I know but he isn't here too :)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> likely gutsy, though.  unless it's a SRU candidate
[01:54] <Hobbsee> depending on what hte bug is, and how important the fix is
[01:54] <Hobbsee> etc
[01:54] <EnolaGay> But without the fix most users won't post any crash report.
[01:54] <Hobbsee> hiya Lure 
[01:54] <Hobbsee> EnolaGay: after seeing some of the recent reports filed...i'm not sure we watn them to.
[01:55] <Lure> hi Hobbsee
[01:55] <Lure> Hobbsee: do you work on kdepim/networkstatus issue?
[01:55] <EnolaGay> Sounds a little bit sarcastic ;)
[01:55] <EnolaGay> So it is not a bug but a feature.
[01:55] <Hobbsee> Lure: heya.  which one?  networkstatus, or networkstatus-dev?
[01:55] <Lure> Hobbsee: -dev
[01:56] <Hobbsee> EnolaGay: i dont use apport-gtk, so i dont know.  but it was planned to turn it off during feisty, i thought.  ask pitti.
[01:56] <EnolaGay> Maybe apport-gt should just check if there is already a similar bug report.
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Lure: patch done.  some people are reporting trouble with upgrades, so i havent gotten it uploaded yet
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Lure: kontact/knoda desktop file overwrite, it seems.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> EnolaGay: there's plans for that, but not in apport
[01:57] <Lure> Hobbsee: just checked, this is already a problem with current package
[01:57] <Hobbsee> Lure: the file overwrite?
[01:57] <EnolaGay> Hobbsee: Ok, I am going to ask pitti but I thought apport is a great idea. Thanks.
[01:58] <Lure> Hobbsee: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/services/kontact/knodeplugin.desktop'
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Lure: yes - /usr/share/services/kontact/knodeplugin.desktop hasnt been distributed since 3.5.5 or so.
[01:58] <Lure> Hobbsee: but where? in kontact or knode?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Lure: i've put in a preinst for knoda to delete that file, but havent tried it
[01:59] <Hobbsee> in kontact
[01:59] <Hobbsee> it's in knode only
[01:59] <Lure> Hobbsee: problem is that kontact also ships it
[01:59] <Hobbsee> which version of kontact?
[01:59] <Lure> 3.5.7-1ubuntu2
[02:00] <Hobbsee> it's not listed in the kontact.install, which is confusing me
[02:00] <Hobbsee> knode.install:/usr/share/services/kontact/knodeplugin.desktop
[02:00] <Lure> Hobbsee: it is listed in dpkg -L on installed system ;-)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> and the changelog is the only thing that grep finds
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Lure: this is true - which appears to have been put there from a pre kde 3.5.5 version
[02:01] <Hobbsee> so i'm not sure if a preinst of knoda to remove it is the right solution, or what
[02:01] <Lure> Hobbsee: 3.5.7 for feisty does not ship it (just checked in chroot)
[02:01] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Lure: i'll admit now, i dont understand why this file is still here.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> unless nothing has removed it previously
[02:03] <Lure> Hobbsee: it is a ghost file ;-)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Lure: how's the best way to remove it though?
[02:06] <Lure> Hobbsee: not sure what Riddell did for feisty...
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Lure: he didnt.  same bug.
[02:07] <Lure> Hobbsee: but my feisty package does not have knode desktop file!?
[02:08] <Lure> Hobbsee: just .la/.so files are there
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Lure: in knoda, or kontact install file?
[02:08] <Lure> Hobbsee: kontact
[02:08] <Lure> I do not have knode installed on feisty
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Lure: that's correct - because it's not there, because it's only a ghost file, like you said.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Lure: it's only in knoda.install now
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Lure: i'm assuming that one can just remove the ghost file in a preinst or something, and the problem goes away.  but i've not dealt with them before, i'm not sure.
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Lure: sorry if i'm being short with you.  work was...well, interesting.
[02:14] <Lure> Hobbsee: ;-) - I am a bit slow too (mostly in bed for last 4 days :-( )
[02:14] <Hobbsee> eek :(
[02:16] <Lure> Hobbsee: problem seems to be that kontact.install packages whole /usr/share/services/kontact subtree, including knodeplugin.desktop
[02:18] <Hobbsee> Lure: ahhh...
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Lure: so it does.  hand me the duncecap please.
[02:20] <Lure> Hobbsee: I was staring there also for 10 minutes and did not notice it... ;-)
[02:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:22] <LjL> ubotwo part
[02:28] <ompaul> cjwatson, you can now unban the standby bot :-) cheers
[02:28] <ompaul> ubotwo
[02:28] <Fujitsu> What was killing the bot before?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ompaul: which now?
[02:29] <bhale> -|- 19 - #ubuntu-devel: ban %ubotwo!*@* [by cjwatson, 13093 secs ago] 
[02:29] <ompaul> Fujitsu, the other one had a regex issue, 
[02:29] <bhale> tihs one
[02:29] <bhale> Hobbsee: oh :)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> got it :)
[02:29] <ompaul> thanks
[02:29] <Hobbsee> no problem
[02:29] <ompaul> cjwatson, guess Hobbsee beat you to it
[02:30] <Hobbsee> he's not here, i dont think
[02:30] <Fujitsu> That's what Hobbsee does.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> it's saturday lunch
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yes, i beat people up.  it's a good skill.
[02:30] <Fujitsu> I noticed.
[02:35] <mneptok> i beat people off. i'm more popular than Hobbsee.
[02:35] <Hobbsee> mneptok: only on the "i wish to kill you" scale.
[02:36] <mneptok> Hobbsee: you need to pay more attention to bathroom grafitti
[02:36] <Fujitsu> mneptok: Wise words/
[02:36] <Hobbsee> i'm probalby in the wrong bathrooms.
[02:37] <mneptok> Hobbsee: that's .... not a drinking fountain.
[02:38] <ogra-classmate> heh
[02:38] <Fujitsu> ogra-classmate: How's the Classmate going?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> hi ogra
[02:38] <Hobbsee> those classmates look cool
[02:38] <Hobbsee> hi spam
[02:38] <Fujitsu> Why's he spam now?
[02:38] <ogra-classmate> running evolution, gaim and epiphany alongside with no probs atm
[02:39] <Hobbsee> because he's greeneggsandspam.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> which shortens to spam
[02:39] <mneptok> Firefok? ;)
[02:39] <ogra-classmate> well, it seems to be a lot better than firefox here
[02:39] <mneptok> s/k/x/
[02:39] <Fujitsu> 1.5GiB of RAM after a few days just isn't cool.
[02:40] <jsgotangco> Hobbsee: err its greeneggsnospam
[02:40] <ogra-classmate> and it renders pages way better suited for the display size
[02:40] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: ahhh
[02:40] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: which still shortens to spam
[02:40] <jsgotangco> gahh
[02:40] <Hobbsee> wow, some one must have gone thru the -devel moderation queue
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: it's not that late...
[02:41] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: I've been up way to late lately; I slept in until 11:30 this morning.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> awwww
[02:41] <Hobbsee> start getting up at 3am.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> you see all the europeans, before they go to bed.
[02:42] <Fujitsu> Unfortunately I can't really turn nocturnal.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> sure you can
[02:43] <Hobbsee> just go overseas
[02:43] <Hobbsee> you're in the air for long enough that you can change what timezone your body is in to whatever you like.
[02:43] <Fujitsu> Heh, parents'd love that :P
[02:43] <Hobbsee> mine didnt die :P
[02:43] <Fujitsu> That I know well.
[02:43] <Fujitsu> But you're ancient!
[02:44] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you're a male.  you're a *lot* safer going overseas.
[02:44] <Fujitsu> True, that.
[02:45] <Fujitsu> Anyway, goodnight.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> night!
[04:17] <Hobbsee> if a bug counts as grave in debian, and hasnt been fixed by the upstream, is it worth at least thinking about removing the package from teh archive?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> hasnt been fixed since 05
[04:23] <persia> Hobbsee: Which bug?  Could it be fixed locally?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> persia: debian's marked it as upstream, upstream hasnt fixed it.  
[04:24] <Hobbsee> persia: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkinstall/+bug/45763
[04:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 45763 in checkinstall "checkinstall hid my root partition " [High,Unconfirmed]  
[04:24] <Hobbsee> i suspect it's not worth fixing, based on what it is.
[04:27] <persia> Hobbsee: That bug is fixed in Debian with checkinstall 1.6.1-1.  Can't we just merge/sync?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> persia: is it?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> it's already merged
[04:28] <persia> Hobbsee: Read the Debian bug report :)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> i did, it said "we cant reproduce this, file upstream"
[04:28] <Hobbsee> iirc
[04:28] <persia> Hobbsee: See the very last post :)
[04:29] <persia> (yes, it was unreproducible, upstream)
[04:29] <Hobbsee> ah, gotcha
[04:29] <Hobbsee> didnt get that far, for some reaon
[04:31] <Hobbsee> morning desrt, are we keeping you up?
[04:32] <desrt> i'm not sure how that would work, so i suspect the answer is no
[04:32] <desrt> just late night + early morning
[04:33] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:35] <desrt> today i have hacking to do!  yay.
[04:36] <Hobbsee> yay!
[10:08] <wereHamster> which package does provide /usr/lib32/libX11.so on a amd64 system?
[10:10] <wereHamster> .. and /usr/lib32/libXv.so{.?}
[10:10] <tsmithe> dpkg -S is handy
[10:11] <wereHamster> do I have to have the package installed?
[10:12] <wereHamster> .. because I don't
[10:12] <wereHamster> I want to find out which one I have to install
[10:12] <Lutin> tsmithe: dpkg -S requires a package to work on. apt-file would be a better solution
[10:12] <tsmithe> hmm yes
[10:12] <tsmithe> that's why i didn't attempt it here :P
[10:12] <wereHamster> don't have apt-file :(
[10:12] <tsmithe> thanks for that command
[10:13] <Lutin> wereHamster: then install it :)
[10:15] <wereHamster> .. assuming I'd have to 'apt-file update' first.. which doesn't work on a livecd