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joejaxxpersia: someone just did an upload12:21
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LaserJockwahooo for TeX bug triage12:34
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astro73_well, I now have a dh_installupstart12:41
LaserJockanybody here know if it's possible to remove a bug tracker?12:42
persiaLaserJock: My memory from other issues was that it wasn't possible, but that may have changed in the intervening time.12:42
nixternalLaserJock: an upstream bug tracker? I did it one time, and I can't remember what I did12:43
astro73_it's much easier to create a package when you base it off of another one12:48
LaserJockI could remove the remote watch and have it "manually update"12:49
LaserJockthen set the bugs to Rejected12:49
persiaastro73_: Yep.  Collaboration is key.12:49
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fernandohey all. How is the version of a package (svn trunk)?12:53
persiafernando: It should never be svn truck, but rather svnyyyymmdd, so that one may know what code is included.12:54
astro73_fernando: or svn(rev) (no parens, replaces "(rev)" with the revision)12:55
LaserJocknixternal: I've always thought of Jordan as being a male name and now you and American Idol have dashed and hopes of masculinity01:01
nixternalwell then, to bash the masculinity even more...how about the jordans in the boybands?01:02
LaserJockI so wish I could claim Michael Jordan here01:02
nixternalmy brother wanted to name his son Pippin Scotty Johnson01:03
nixternalmy family said they would shun him for such an event01:03
LaserJockbetter than Pimpin Scotty Johnson01:03
nixternalif I ever have a boy it will be Jordan Mantha Johnson now ;o01:04
LaserJockdon't curse him01:04
nixternalI actually picked my daughters name which I never thought would happen01:05
nixternalmy wife grew up all over Europe, so she was into all kinds of name01:05
nixternalnone of the girls name I liked, and I was stuck on Jordan01:05
nixternalthen one day at taco bell feeding her pregrancy, I said how about victoria...and she fell in love01:05
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nixternalwhat is a good library package that is small that I can use to help setup a library package build?01:15
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persianixternal: Which language?01:17
nixternalthis libhttp is killing me01:17
persianixternal: Also, do you prefer CDBS or debhelper?01:18
nixternalI can do either actually.01:18
persiaYes, but which do you prefer?  You'll end up maintaining this :)01:18
nixternalI don't have a preference01:19
nixternalwhich ever is better..there ;)01:19
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persiaI wish I knew grep-dctrl better :)01:22
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persianixternal: eel201:39
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persianixternal: Or, even better, imlib201:41
nixternalthank you01:43
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persianixternal: Let me know if you have any trouble.  I have an interest in getting libhttp in :)01:44
persianixternal: Also, ignore the source for those: they are examples of simple, minimalist packaging, but not necessarily simple, minimalist libraries.01:45
nixternalroger that, thanks again01:45
bluefoxicywas there such a thing as 'bash-completion' or am I imaginating things?01:48
bluefoxicyI thought there was a thing where you ls -<tab> and got a list of ls options...01:48
persiabluefoxicy: As a concept, as a UDS discussion topic, or as a package?01:49
bluefoxicypersia:  a package01:49
persiabluefoxicy: Yes, there is such a thing, but not every package installs hints.01:49
bluefoxicyhttp://www.caliban.org/bash/index.shtml#completion is this it?01:49
bluefoxicypersia:  I can't even find the package in apt.01:49
persiabluefoxicy: From what I can tell from the changelog, it is part of bash, and not distributed as a separate package.01:52
fernandograb-merge.sh return none? =)01:52
persiafernando: it's not always 100% reliable.  Visit snapshot.debian.net01:53
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nixternalomg, I think I got it01:54
nixternalfirst try at that01:55
persianixternal: See.  CDBS *is* better for libraries :)01:55
bluefoxicypersia: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/app-shells/bash-completion/ was probably it, I probably saw it in gentoo01:55
nixternalholy smokes it worked01:55
nixternaland it isntalled everything where it should...cdbs rocks hardcore!01:55
persiabluefoxicy: I seem to remember it from the past, so I'm guessing there was a merge in Ubuntu.01:55
nixternalpersia: can I put this somewhere so you can take a quick glance at it? I am sure it needs a little tweaking and cleaning01:55
bluefoxicypersia:  well, it's not working here... ah, the files are in /etc01:56
bluefoxicybut .. hm01:56
persianixternal: #ubuntu-devel was discussing earlier that the distribution of .la files was deprecated - you might want to include the CDBS strip .la rule from eel201:56
persianixternal: REVU?01:56
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bluefoxicypersia:  that did it.01:57
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persiabluefoxicy: I'm glad you found it.01:57
fernandowhile merging with grab-merge.sh i need to change the changelog?02:08
persiafernando: Likely, if only to list the remaining Ubuntu changes.02:13
LaserJockand replace MoM with a real person in the changelog entry02:14
fernandopersia: it change version of jadetex_3.13-8 to jadetex_3.13-8ubuntu102:14
fernandothen lintian return 02:14
fernandowhite: jadetex source: changelog-should-mention-nmu02:14
fernandowhite: jadetex source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 3.13-8ubuntu102:15
persiafernando: You may safely ignore those two lintian warnings.02:15
fernandopersia: ok, thanks02:15
fernandopersia:  i need to upload to revu?02:16
leonelCan I have  dapper and edgy running  on bootstrap in Feisty ?02:18
persiafernando: No.  Review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Merging just to make sure you've gotten everything.  Then upload the debdiff between the debian package, and your candidate revision to a bug.02:18
persialeonel: If you mean in a debootstrap'd chroot, yes.02:18
persia(separate chroots: one for dapper, one for edgy)02:19
leonelpersia: that's it   I have  qemu and  works  fine  but I think is  lighter  use  debootstrap02:19
LaserJockdoes anybody else think it would be worth it to patch lintian to remove the NMU warnings?02:19
persiaLaserJock: I do, but last time I suggested it, there was a linda marketing session.02:19
LaserJockwell, as long as we keep Mr. Linda out of it ;-)02:20
persiaIt's just a little change to checks/changelog-file, but in order to meet your criteria, it has to be uploaded without passing through ubuntu-main-sponsors.02:23
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persialeonel: just as a side note, not everything behaves under a chroot the same way it does in qemu.  I wouldn't recommend deleting your qemu configuration.  You might also be interested in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto which generates snapshot chroots on demand, to allow for easy testing without the chance of damaging the root chroot (using `schroot -c dapper` or `schroot -c gutsy` for example).02:31
LaserJockpersia: why would it be a problem, we're already patching lintian, why not patch it to be quiet about NMU?02:32
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leonelpersia: great   thanks02:33
persiaLaserJock: I don't see any real problem, you just indicated you wanted to avoid a specific person, who happens to be a member of U-M-S.  While it's being patched, perhaps the version could be checked to complain if it's not in XubuntuY format.02:34
LaserJockmakes sense02:35
persiaMaybe also check for XSBC-Original-Maintainer & @ubuntu in Maintainer?  I think this is being checked by dpkg-buildpackage now, but I'm not sure.  Be nice to have an extra warning for people packaging.02:37
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TheMusopersia: dpkg-buildpackage checks for maintainer as an ubuntu.com address.02:39
persiaTheMuso: Thanks for the confirmation.02:39
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persiaStevenK: Good morning.02:43
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fernandocp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/share/mime-info/': No such file or directory03:09
fernandodata/Makefile:# should be replaced by following the new shared-mime-info spec. ?03:09
nixternalpersia: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/etch/libhttp/libhttp_1.1-1.dsc03:12
nixternalsorry I didn't get back sooner...was eatin' and watchin' some tv03:12
fernandobye all03:14
nixternalbrb..need to do some dishes ;)03:15
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Hobbseemorning all03:28
joejaxxGood Morning Hobbsee 03:31
Hobbseeheya joejaxx!03:32
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joejaxxi think it is becauseof gutsy instability03:32
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joejaxxbecause of*03:33
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astro73_here's an odd question04:40
astro73_how do I host my own packages?04:40
LaserJockyou make a repo04:42
astro73_tutorial? instructions? package?04:42
LaserJockor you can just dump the files in some web server04:42
astro73_that works, too04:43
LaserJockwell, how many packages and do you want them apt-getable04:43
astro73_I have 2 packages so far04:43
astro73_one of which is a build dep of the other04:43
astro73_at this point, I don't mind a lack of apt-get04:44
astro73_I still need to write half the application04:44
LaserJockthen sure, just dump them on some web server04:44
astro73_good thing I have one04:44
LaserJockif you want them apt-getable then I'd use apt-ftparchive04:45
LaserJockwhich is in the apt-utils package if you don't already have it04:46
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astro73_my first packages are up! http://www.astro73.com/download/deb/05:04
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joejaxxHobbsee: how do i know when packages have entered the archive once again?06:38
Fujitsujoejaxx: You can look at archive.ubuntu.com.06:40
LaserJockhi Fujitsu 06:40
Hobbseejoejaxx: once again?06:41
FujitsuHi LaserJock.06:41
joejaxxFujitsu: well yes but i thought there was a more precise way06:41
FujitsuHah, no.06:42
LaserJockFujitsu: so, it seems there might be an interesting TeX project06:42
FujitsuWhat's more precise than checking if it is actually in the archive?06:42
FujitsuLaserJock: Where?06:42
joejaxxdo packages appear on gutsy-changes when they are uploaded or when they are built?06:42
FujitsuThe former.06:42
FujitsuWell, when they are accepted.06:42
LaserJockFujitsu: I'm working with upstream and another guy on doing a TeXLive backports repo06:42
FujitsuSounds nasty...06:43
nixternalhrmm...any DDs here to look at a library package for sponsorship :)06:43
FujitsuHow well does it backport?06:43
nixternalpersia: ^^ :)06:43
LaserJockthe guy has got Edgy ok06:43
LaserJockFeisty shouldn't be a problem06:43
joejaxxpersia is dd? i did not know that06:43
LaserJockbut sounds like Dapper was a beast so I think we won't bother06:43
FujitsuI wouldn't.06:43
nixternaljoejaxx: don't know, but persia has been helping me big time with my Debian stuff06:43
LaserJockFujitsu: but I think we're going to use PPA to do it06:44
joejaxxnixternal: ah ok :)06:44
StevenKjoejaxx: Not according to db.d.o06:44
LaserJockFujitsu: would you have any interest in working on that?06:44
FujitsuLaserJock: Sure, I like TeX stuff.06:44
nixternaljust want to get an opinion or 2 on a library package I created for Debian before I go to the mentors06:45
FujitsuOnce PPA exists.06:45
joejaxxStevenK: oh ok06:45
LaserJockFujitsu: Monday ;-)06:45
LaserJockthe beta server at least06:45
FujitsuIt's targeted for 1.1.606:45
LaserJockI talked with cprov today06:45
FujitsuAh, right.06:45
HobbseeFujitsu: ppa doe exist06:46
HobbseeLaserJock: yay!  do we have documentation for it?06:46
FujitsuHobbsee: Not for us mortals.06:46
LaserJockHobbsee: no, no06:46
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LaserJockI think it's person-by-person basis06:46
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Hobbseeif it's worht it06:47
crimsunLTS releases are always worth it.06:47
LaserJockFujitsu: anyway, if you're interested I can talk to cprov about getting you in on it too06:47
FujitsuYay :)06:47
LaserJockbecause I don't like the idea of me being the only person doing it06:47
astro73_how can I get upstart to reread event.d?06:48
crimsunwasn't that implied in your mediator role?06:48
HobbseeLaserJock: please ask to get me on it, please06:48
FujitsuI'm wondering how they'd deploy PPA on beta, as it requires enormous changes to the archive (archive-rework isn't implemented on production yet, AFAIK)06:48
Hobbseeer, -please06:48
crimsunI'm surprised ~motu wasn't invited.06:48
LaserJockwell, hang on a little bit guys06:48
LaserJockdon't get all excited06:49
LaserJockI think they want to ease into it06:49
FujitsuNot surprising.06:49
LaserJockthey might have an announcement Monday06:49
LaserJockso I don't want to preempt them too much ;-)06:49
crimsunastro73_: noted in /usr/share/doc/upstart/README.Debian.gz06:50
LaserJockbut as MOTU liasion to LP I'll definately push for ~motu06:50
LaserJockI've been talking to kiko regularly about having MOTU get access to PPA before it gets releaseed06:50
LaserJockso we don't get surprised06:50
astro73_crimsun: thanks (I keep on forgetting about /usr/share/doc)06:51
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astro73_upstart  doesn't tell you if you have a syntax error06:56
astro73_it just says the job doesn't exist06:56
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=== LaserJock out, good night everybody
FujitsuNight LaserJock.07:31
Hobbseenight LaserJock 07:31
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nixternalhey, I am going to have a new upstream release built and tested here shortly for kchmviewer. I have just contacted the maintainer in Debian to let him know there is a new update. 07:49
nixternalshould I put ths package somewhere (bug,server, revu) or just wait and see if it gets into unstable?07:49
nixternalI let him know that if he is to busy I would be mroe than happy to maintain it07:49
nixternalI look like a wimp with just 1 debian package ;)07:49
crimsunit's good practice to provide him with a debdiff08:03
nixternalanyone have a chm file handy? I need to fix a couple of bugs08:04
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StevenKnixternal: Yup.08:21
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DarkSun88Hi all08:22
nixternalargh, this is annoying08:28
nixternalI can't add an upstream bug report to smb4k in malone08:28
nixternaltells me to select an appropriate project and that I can avoid the step by updating the packaging info08:28
crimsunupstream upstream or Debian upstream?08:30
nixternalupstream upstream08:30
crimsunmeaning the upstream upstream bug.08:31
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crimsunoh, not set up in LP.08:33
FujitsuStevenK: Watch out, there's also a project called upstream, so it could be upstream upstream upstream.08:35
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StevenKHrm, maybe you're too young for those ads.08:35
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FujitsuStupid TAFE instructor talking about NIC cards.08:36
StevenKHeh heh08:36
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affluxkeescook: ping08:40
crimsunnixternal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/288608:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 2886 in malone "Add support for developer.berlios.de bug tracker" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  08:46
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nixternalI swore I had linked to one of the smb4k bugs before...guess not08:47
affluxkeescook: You wanted me to keep you informed on my progress in the wordpress CVE bug. I noticed that the debian version that fixed these bugs also fixed about 7 other security vulnerabilities and I think it gets quite complicated to fix them all. I'd update to 2.2 or at least 2.0.1008:53
persianixternal: My apologies that it took me almost 6 hours to notice you sent me a URL.  Please see http://pastebin.ca/511065.08:54
StevenKpersia: Not good enough! :-P08:55
jussi01hello all08:55
nixternalthanks persia 08:55
jussi01hei persia got a min?08:55
persiaStevenK: Hi!  Weren't you going to proofread the Contributing page?08:55
persiajussi01: Sure.08:55
StevenKpersia: Sure. Like me.08:55
StevenKLink, even.08:55
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persiaStevenK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing08:56
persia"In a shity manner", no?08:56
nixternalpersia: the copyright has the packaging license stuff already in it08:57
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jussi01persia, you've commented that the .desktop file doesnt validate, what do you mean by that? also, there is no year of  copyright anywhere on the page or program...08:57
crimsunno idea, but we're MOTU - we can Auden up words08:57
persiajussi01: For no year of copyright, contact the upstream maintainers to ask when they wrote it.  For .desktop validation, use the desktop-file-validate tool from the desktop-file-utils package.08:58
StevenKpersia: If one does not already exist, open a bug in Debian & attach the patch (use Tags: patch(08:58
crimsunok, so saving state for changed mixer control element strings - it's best to not even attempt this.08:58
crimsunI think it's better to wipe the state file and store it on dist-upgrades.08:59
StevenKpersia: "The package bugs page in launchpad  https;//bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagename"; launchpad -> LaunchPad08:59
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jussi01persia, ok, ill look into it. thanks08:59
StevenKpersia: "The package bugs page in the BTS  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=packagename"; BTS -> Debian BTS08:59
FujitsuLaunchpad, not LaunchPad08:59
persianixternal: debian/copyright tells me that I should have received a copy of the GPL, but it doesn't tell me where I can find it.  On the other hand, I appear to have completely missed the last line of the file on my first read, so ignore #4.09:00
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nixternalya, I just threw the package up for you to take a quick look. I had all of that stuff pretty much fixed already here locally09:00
nixternalI just need to do the ITP09:00
nixternalseeking documentation on that one09:00
StevenKpersia: Mention dget to download sources...09:01
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crimsundget is a lifesaver.09:02
persiaOK  Having never used dget, am I correct that the standard call to mirror apt-get source would be `dget -qx --path . --insecure URL`?09:04
StevenKpersia: Meh, dget -x <.dsc URL>09:05
persiaStevenK: Won't that redownload orig.tar.gz if you already have one?09:05
FujitsuI don't think so.09:05
StevenKWhat Fujitsu said.09:05
FujitsuThird paragraph of description.09:06
persiaOK.  Thanks.09:06
StevenKpersia: "Has an Ubuntu maintainer" - is worded badly. "Has the Maintainer set as per <spec URL>"09:06
Hobbseeit'd be nice if launchpad actually supported dget.09:06
crimsundget: using existing libxcb_1.0.orig.tar.gz09:06
StevenKHobbsee: It's just because librarian is odd09:08
FujitsuHobbsee: File a wishlist bug and wait a decade.09:08
persiaHobbsee: LP doesn't support dget?  I'm less sure I want to document the practice of using dget then, as the primary use case will be for contributors running feisty to download gutsy sources.09:08
HobbseeFujitsu: i'm thinking of that.09:08
StevenKpersia: If you try and dget from a librarian URL, it won't work.09:08
Fujitsupersia: As in, you have to calculate the .dsc address manually.09:08
Hobbseepersia: nah...debian, etc, uses it.  it's worth it09:08
crimsunpersia: I recommend being consistent with path syntax, e.g., debian/ as well as debian/patches (why omit the trailing '/'?)09:08
persiacrimsun: It was late, and I wasn't careful enough :)09:09
crimsunContributing is excellent, BTW. One concern is that the length may seem daunting. Can we make the more lengthy and detailed sections separate wiki pages?09:12
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crimsunOr is it intended as a one-stop reference?09:12
persiacrimsun: It could certainly be broken down, but I wanted to try to avoid pages like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted that might encourage people to just ask again, rather than click the pretty link.  To me the only section that seems like it should really be extracted is the detailed guide to generating a new candidate revision.09:14
persiaOn the other hand, none of the detail sections seem very long, and I'm not sure how to get something that covers basic procedure (like Preparing Patches or Preparing New Packages) without the guide.  Suggestions would be welcome.09:16
crimsunyeah, "Preparing New Revisions" is fine WRT length to me, but I'm not sure a newcomer will share my opinion.09:19
persiaIs there anyone new here?  What do you think?09:19
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persiaTo ask that differently: I'd really like to hear from some non-MOTUs who are interested in helping with the work about the length of the page, and whether the information is helpful.09:24
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nixternalpersia: http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=libhttp09:27
nixternalthere you go!09:27
nixternalITP filed, additions and everything cleaned up09:27
jussi01persia: which page? the getting started wiki page?09:28
persianixternal: Thanks.  I'll take a look.09:28
nixternalk..I am going to head to bed now...be back in about 6 to 8 :)09:29
persiajussi01: Thanks a lot.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing09:29
nixternalg'nite all, and thanks again persia for the help09:29
persianixternal: Good night.09:29
persianixternal: Also, looks great.  Good luck.09:30
jussi01persia: its very helpful except it needs a couple of things, 1. a table of contents! it feels long because you have no idea whats coming in front of you. 2. the 3 parts of things to do need bigger headings/better separators - atm the just merge into one big blob...09:34
persiajussi01: Thanks.  That was the fear.09:34
jussi01the info in it is great though. 09:35
persiaCould anyone point me to a good resource for adding a TOC?09:35
jussi01persia: my wiki page has one09:35
persiajussi01: Thanks.  I'll look at that source.09:35
jussi01persia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JussiSchultink if you need it09:36
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jussi01persia: btw, I just uploaded the fixed version :D http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5276 (mnemosyne). Anyone else is welcome to take a look also!09:44
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Lutinjussi01: according to the python policy, python-support should be >= 0.5.309:49
jussi01thanks Lutin I read something else... probably and old doc.09:50
Lutinjussi01: the new python policy is available here : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy09:51
jussi01Lutin: bookmarked :D thanks09:52
persiaLutin: Thanks.  jussi01: I'll catch the next one :)09:52
jussi01persia: ok09:52
Lutinjussi01: np. btw, the last line of your copyright file is longer than 80 chars, maybe you could split in09:52
jussi01Lutin: sure09:52
persiaStevenK: Fujitsu: Thank you.  I've incorporated your corrections.09:54
persiacrimsun: jussi01: I've updated the page.  How does this seem with regards to length / navigation?09:55
crimsunpersia: the ToC is great, much better IMO.10:00
jussi01persia: looks much better!!!10:00
persiaThanks.  I'll leave this.  Anyone think it would be better for /topic than https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted?10:01
Lutinjussi01: (ok, sounds picky :) ) : there shold be a double space before the Homepage: line in the description (debian/control) . maybe you also wan to remove all the blank lines at the bottom of debian/rules. and I *guess* (worth checking though) that Build-Depends: on python-all rather than python-all-dev would be better10:01
crimsunpersia: feel free - you have the powah.10:01
jussi01Lutin: picky is good :D10:02
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persiacrimsun: I just like to solicit support before taking action :)10:02
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superm1so say a package doesn't provide a makefile with a install: section.  What is the correct way to handle moving the resultant binary?  Should a dpatch that adds a install: section to the makefile be done?10:07
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Lutinjussi01: this package for use with python2.4, right ?10:07
Lutinis for use*10:07
azeemsuperm1: that's one option, preferably send the patch upstream for inclusio10:07
FujitsuWoah, that's a short topic.10:07
persiasuperm1: There are two schools of thought.  One is to patch the makefile, the other is a really huge debian/package.install.  I recommend the former.10:08
Lutinjussi01: or both ?10:08
superm1Ok, i'll go for the former then10:08
persiaFujitsu: That's the idea :)10:08
Fujitsupersia: Or a small package.install, depending on the number of files.10:08
FujitsuSome packages only want a couple of files.10:08
persiasuperm1: Fujitsu is correct.  If there are only a couple files, debian/package.install is better.10:09
superm1ok, i'll have to look how many resulting binaries show up10:09
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jussi01Lutin: yeah, 2.410:14
Lutinjussi01: I can't get why you build-depend on python-qt4-dev, python-xml, python-pygame. what's the rationale behind this ?10:14
jussi01hmmm, package said it required them.....10:15
jussi01anyway, please continue to comment, i will be back shortly. (the wife wants me....)10:15
Lutinjussi01: Oo. weird10:16
Fujitsujussi01: They're probably runtime dependencies. If it builds fine without them, leave them out.10:16
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Seveastepsipakki, falcon in feisty is not that far away, I hope to make a beta release on monday10:18
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jmghey guys10:32
crimsunSeveas: awesome!10:33
Lutinjussi01: Python:Depends should be python:Depends in control10:33
jmgi think ubuntu has an issue with sdhc cards10:33
jmgit cant read my 2gb card, have tried on 2 boxes, feisty and edgy10:33
crimsunjmg: what about dapper and gutsy?10:33
jmgtried on 3 boxes, actually.10:33
jmgcrimsun: no dapper or gutsy boxes here10:34
jmg[  533.213253]  usb 5-6: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 510:34
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jmgfeisty has a different error10:35
jmgrelated to fat3210:36
jmghave tried on 3 different card readers as well10:36
jmgtried windows too to prove i wasnt on crack10:36
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jmgwhats the current feisty kernel version?10:45
FujitsuIt tracks git, so is currently some prerelease of 2.6.2210:46
Burgundaviathat is the gutsy one10:47
Burgundaviafeisty is 2010:47
Burgundaviagutsy will be 2210:47
Lutinjussi01: seems that the program fails to run when using python-qt4. I think it should depend on python-qt3 rather10:47
Lutinand drop the explicit dependancy on python2.410:47
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FujitsuOh, right, missed the feisty bit.10:47
jmgedgy is 1910:48
jmgthis box is edgy and will stay that way for a while10:48
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FujitsuIsn't it .17?10:52
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ompaulRiddell, can you mute ubotwo please10:53
ompaulor sladen ^^ that applies to you too :)10:54
crimsunyou have ops, too.10:54
crimsun(AFAIK it's still open.)10:54
ompaulnot that I can see10:54
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ompaulohh I do 10:54
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ompaulthanks crimsun 10:55
superm1would any motu's have a few minutes for a revu this evening?10:57
jmgmy bad11:02
jmganyway the sdhc compat patch was 2.6.1911:02
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minghuaOhhh, the moderated mail flood11:45
minghuajekil: hello there11:45
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bmmI've just added an extra comment to my REVU upload of ccbuild, please see http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5154 if interested as I'm looking for my first advocator.12:16
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bluekujabmm: instead of using See http://ccbuild.sf.net, it would be nice to have something like 12:43
bluekuja Homepage: http://12:43
bluekujato see it in bolds in packages.ubuntu.com12:44
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bluekujae.g http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/devel/giggle12:44
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rglI want to upgrade the nginx package, should I directly contact the package maintainer, or is there some collaboration page somewhere?01:04
jussi01rgl: have a read of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing it will tell you how to update a package01:07
jussi01rgl: its in /topic also01:08
rgljussi01, ah thank you.  and sorry for not reading that in the first place from the topic.01:08
bmmbluekuja: will fix. I'm going to wait a little longer for comments on the license before uploading the new version, but it is patched now ;)01:16
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rgloh, I'm trying to create a GPG key, but: Not enough random bytes available.  (Need 283 more bytes)    :/01:25
rglhow can I generate more random bytes?    its there at the prompt like, 10 minutes :|   I've tried to ping some sites, generate traffic, create some processes... still, no go :|01:26
bmmrgl: try using 'find /' in the background while generating a key, and pressing the keyboard will help01:30
rglbmm, I did :(01:30
rgloh... "while"?01:31
rglit has to be be while its generating the key, or when it pauses to get more bytes?01:31
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rgloh, it finally got the bytes :|01:32
Hobbseehi all01:33
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geserHi Hobbsee01:35
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bmmrgl: for the future: while, the random pool of /dev/ranom is fed with random access times on the disk (among other things like interrupts etc.)01:44
rglbmm, I "known", but its taking ages in this box :|01:45
rgloh man... launchpad does not import my key :(01:51
rglthough, its there: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x834461DE&op=index01:51
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LjLubotwo part02:22
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DabianI bow to you, oh masters of the universe, and humbly bring forth a question for which I seek an answer!02:32
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ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)02:33
Hobbseewhat is your quest, sir Dabian?02:33
DabianI need to mark a bug as a duplicate of another on the holy Launchpad.02:34
Fujitsu`Mark as duplicate' in the actions portlet.02:34
DabianThank you!02:35
FujitsuNo problem02:35
DabianI managed to finnish my quest!02:35
DabianSo, as soon as you uploaded your GNUPG key and got it verified, you can mark bugs as duplicates?02:36
HobbseeDabian: you can as soon as you have a launchpad account02:36
FujitsuThat isn't a requirement.02:36
DabianWhat is the benefit of a GNUPG key then?02:37
FujitsuBeing able to send in commands via email, and being able to upload packages if you're a member of the appropriate team.02:37
Dabian(In connection with launchpad) :)02:37
DabianSo first step before uploading packages, is to get a key.02:38
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apacheLAGgerI need a Krevu02:45
apacheLAGgerfor http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=514502:45
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apacheLAGgerhooray! :D02:46
HobbseeapacheLAGger: in the control files, do you think you could use the link to the homepage, or the kdeapps/look.org page, rather than the direct download link?02:47
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Hobbseeeverything else looks fine02:48
apacheLAGgerk, thanks02:48
apacheLAGgergotta upload with fixed control file02:48
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DarkSun88There's a problem in log of builds. What's the problem?02:51
DarkSun88The package is galago-sharp.02:52
HobbseeDarkSun88: where's that?02:52
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apacheLAGgerdo we have a dbus-sharp in the repos at all?02:54
apacheLAGgerDarkSun88: you'd have to package dbus-sharp first http://www.ndesk.org/DBusSharp02:55
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Fujitsu!info dbus-sharp02:57
ubotuPackage dbus-sharp does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas02:57
Fujitsu(pitti) obsolete, unmaintained, superseded by ndesk-dbus, LP#8793102:58
apacheLAGgergod I hate it when upstream ships a debian dir within the tarball02:58
Fujitsu(that's the removal rationale for dbus-sharp)02:58
apacheLAGgerwhat shall I do when the sources include .svn or CVS directories?03:05
apacheLAGgerdefine a clean rule? or just bug upstream?03:05
HobbseeapacheLAGger: remove it in the clean rule03:05
apacheLAGgerok :)03:05
DabianapacheLAGger: Same goes for the debian dir, I guess .. but why don't you want upstream to provide it?  You can upstream your changes, I guess?03:06
apacheLAGgerDabian: they are mostly as useable as shit :|03:07
apacheLAGgerand there is no reason why any not debian based distro should need it03:07
apacheLAGgerso basically also waste of space03:07
DabianapacheLAGger: Well .. traditionally makefiles also contains rules for all kinda different platforms.03:08
DabianOnce built, I guess the milage may not vary so much from that?03:09
apacheLAGgernope, though there are people who actually compile it03:09
DabianTrue .. I guess in this case the gentoo people would those with the greatest wrath..03:10
Dabian(in this regard)03:11
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apacheLAGgerDabian: mh, well not much of a big deal anyway I just don't like it ;-)03:12
apacheLAGgerthough upstream devs who are not answering mails are a big deal03:12
apacheLAGgerspecially if the tarball is totally broken :(03:12
HobbseeapacheLAGger: you didnt update it to follow the maintainer spec03:14
Hobbseesarah@LongPointyStick:~/Desktop/foo$ lintian khalkhi_0.2.1.99+rc1-0ubuntu1_source.changes03:15
HobbseeW: khalkhi source: not-binnmuable-all-depends-any khalkhi -> khalkhi-kcm03:15
HobbseeW: khalkhi source: not-binnmuable-any-depends-all libkhalkhi0 -> khalkhi-data03:15
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DabianIs that python?03:15
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StevenKHobbsee: Ignore it. It's talking about Debian-specific binary NMU rules.03:16
apacheLAGgerwhere khalkhi is a meta package and khalkhi-data is a package with .desktop files etc.03:16
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DabianStevenK: You're old debian-man, are you not?03:16
StevenKDabian: Aye.03:16
DabianStevenK: Thought I recogniced your nick :)03:16
Hobbseehe's very old and decrepit03:16
StevenKOh great, I have a reputation.03:17
StevenKHobbsee: Hush03:17
DabianStevenK: I know some former debian-devellopers who wants to package for ubuntu.03:17
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DabianStevenK: They lack a guide that only tells of the differences from packing to debian.03:17
HobbseeapacheLAGger: i fixed it03:17
apacheLAGgerup it is :|03:17
DabianStevenK: Also, they want to know how to "harvest" debian packages.03:18
StevenKDabian: Just get them to join here. If they can package they can get up to speed very quickly.03:18
DabianStevenK: There exist no such document?03:18
StevenKThere does, I just can't recall it at the moment.03:18
StevenKDabian: And what do you mean, harvest Debian packages?03:19
apacheLAGgerHobbsee: thanks for uploading :) btw, do you know whether cmake.mk is going into cdbs for gutsy?03:19
DabianStevenK: Well, if a package is in debian .. how to "ubuntunize" it.03:19
DabianStevenK: and get it accepted into ubuntu.03:19
StevenKDabian: Ah. Usually, exercise patience.03:19
apacheLAGgersync request?03:20
StevenKDabian: But it depends where abouts in the development cycle we are.03:20
HobbseeapacheLAGger: i have no idea - but that would be wise.03:20
DabianSome also have packages in debian, and they want those in ubuntu as well.03:20
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StevenKDabian: At this point, do nothing - we pull directly from Debian and keep pulling until Debian Import Freeze.03:20
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StevenKDabian: Are they also Debian old-hands?03:21
DabianStevenK: So the "harvesting" is automated?03:21
StevenKDabian: At this point in the cycle, it's semi-automatic.03:21
HobbseeapacheLAGger: have you poked debian about it?03:22
Hobbseethere's no ubuntu bug about it03:22
apacheLAGgerHobbsee: didn't do anything yet - I'm right now packaging my first cmade application :)03:22
StevenKDabian: However, if the package in question has Ubuntu changes, they need to be merged in manually, or checked that the Ubuntu changes can be dropped. That process is called merging, which is what most of us are doing now.03:23
Hobbseeahh :)03:23
DabianStevenK: However, thats for packages already integrated in ubuntu, right?  I mean .. there wont be any autochanges?03:24
StevenKDabian: Right.03:24
DktrKranzI have to include get-orig-source rule in debian/rules. Since I'm not sure on how to proceed, is there a reference I can follow?03:25
DabianSo .. who decides how fast a debian package gets part of Ubuntu?03:25
Hobbseethe autosyncer03:26
Hobbseeand whether it has any ubuntu changes03:26
DabianSo, if its up to the autosyncer, what criteas does that have?03:27
StevenKDktrKranz: That rule pre-dates me becoming a DD and that happened in 2001.03:27
apacheLAGgeris it legitimately to store a binary in /usr/share/appname/binary and link it to /usr/bin/binary?03:27
StevenKapacheLAGger: Not really.03:27
DktrKranzStevenK, so?03:28
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StevenKDktrKranz: So it really shouldn't exist in debian/rules.03:28
DktrKranzusing watch instead?03:28
DktrKranzmy sources are on a bzr repo, is there some specific rules to follow?03:29
StevenKThere's some XS-VCS-* you can set in debian/control, but I don't know anything about them.03:32
DktrKranzI'll have a look at some packages in our repo already03:33
DktrKranzthanks :)03:33
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SlimGHow does dpkg-shlibdeps work? does it find all dependencies required by <binary> and strip out those dependencies that is installed in ex. feisty by default?04:21
HobbseeSlimG: see man dh_shlibdeps04:22
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Hobbseesorry man dpkg-shlibdeps04:22
SlimGDoesn't say anything about stripping out default packages there, I'm still not entirely sure thou04:26
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pschulz01Grettings.. I have some packages that I would like to upload for review.04:48
Dabianpschulz01: Have you uploaded your key?04:48
pschulz01Dabian: Just checking.. I have uploaded before.. but that was a while ago.04:49
pschulz01Dabian: Yes.. it's there.04:49
persiapschulz01: Are they new packages, or new revisions of existing packages?04:49
Dabianpschulz01: Good.04:50
pschulz01Dabian: Competely new.. http://www.thousandparsec.net/tp/ <-- new software04:50
persiapschulz01: Are you a member of contributors of packages for ubuntu universe?04:50
pschulz01Dabian: I have added myself to the... yes04:51
persiapschulz01: Does `dput revu whatever-Source.changes not work?04:51
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pschulz01persia: ?04:52
pschulz01persia: I can't log into the revu yet.04:52
persiapschulz01: Nobody can log in until they've uploaded at least one package.04:52
pschulz01persia: Ahh.. I knew there was a trick :-)04:53
pschulz01persia: I Remeber hitting that one last time as well.04:53
joejaxxpersia: how do you unsubscribe u-u-s from a package?04:53
persiajoejaxx: Only members of teams can unsubscribe the team.  If you want to retract a request for sponsorship, you can ask here for someone to unsubscribe.04:55
joejaxxpersia: can you unsubscribe 61151 that is actually a main package04:55
persiabug 6115104:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 61151 in system-config-cluster ""separated" spelt incorrectly" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6115104:56
nixternalgood mornin'!04:56
persiajoejaxx: Unsubscribed.04:56
joejaxxpersia: thanks04:56
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=== apacheLAGger tells Hobbsee that there is already new work waiting ;-) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5285
Hobbseenope :P05:13
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apacheLAGgerHobbsee: well, just put it on your todo :)05:14
apacheLAGgergotta go out anyway, much to nice weather to stay inside05:14
apacheLAGgerHobbsee: good night05:14
Hobbseemy todo is so long that i'm ignoring it05:14
Hobbseeand if i ignore it for long enough, most of it will be obsolete05:14
apacheLAGgerdid it that way as well05:15
apacheLAGgernow I just check better how I name the items05:15
apacheLAGgerie I'd note "revu packages" instead of every single package :)05:16
nixternalpersia: I might be co-maintaining Debian's plucker..although I told the guy if I run across something I will let him know05:16
nixternalI was just kind of worried he gave up on building the desktop...can't have that..there are a lot of plucker-desktop users with Ubuntu..they keep emailing me05:17
persianixternal: Cool!  Is upstream really dead, or just dormant?05:17
nixternal8 months was the last time anyone touched code05:17
nixternalso maybe that qualifies as dormant05:18
nixternalnot dead yet?05:18
persianixternal: If you're actually interested in maintaining it, you might want to see if you can contact them to use their CVS and web page :)05:18
nixternalbut there hasn't been any movement05:18
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nixternaloh no, I don't want to go that far with plucker..I hate it with a passion :)05:18
persianixternal: Depends.  One of my upstreams didn't touch the package I was working on for three years, but was happy to accept my patch, and is now planning a new release (he was working on other projects).05:18
nixternalI do like the fact they have a C/C++ parser now though and not just Python and Perl05:19
nixternalthat could be happening with plucker...maybe they are working underground05:19
persianixternal: If you hate plucker, why are you maintaining it?05:19
nixternalit seems plucker is pretty popular..can't see all of the devs just giving up on it05:19
nixternalpersia: I have no clue...it is an interesting package actually, and keeps me on my toes05:20
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nixternalplus I accomplished something the Debian maintainer couldn't or didn't want to, and I built the -desktop successfully and tested it05:20
nixternalas a matter of fact, Spider is kicking along right now updating itself05:20
nixternalI have never been successful with it and my old Sony Clie PDA, so I will play around with it05:21
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persianixternal: Ah, so you don't hate the plucker package, it's just the software :)05:22
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sacaterhey all, I still need a place on a ssh server with irssi and screen, are there any other places?06:20
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sacaterbrainiac_ghost: away wit thee06:21
brainiac_ghosterrr... NO06:22
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sacaterbad brainiac_ghost bad!06:22
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xxxxx1hi people06:30
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persiahi xxxxx106:32
xxxxx1hello persia. :) 06:33
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joejaxxpersia: do you have a free moment?06:39
ampacheIs this the right channel to discuss php web app packaging problems06:40
joejaxxpersia: i was wondering if you would like to help rewording the text on the default index page for lighttpd06:40
persiajoejaxx: I will in a couple minutes.  Tell me what you want, and I'll get to it soon (if someone else doesn't first)06:40
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joejaxxi am looking a bug #115565 at the moment06:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 115565 in lighttpd "Default index.html links to Debian Bug Tracking system" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11556506:41
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persiajoejaxx: Sure.  What kind of help do you need?06:45
joejaxxpersia: well it has links to debian pages which i can change06:45
joejaxxbut some of the wording on the page i do not know if it is necessary or not06:46
joejaxxi can pastebin the contents06:46
joejaxxwell it is mostly the About this page section06:46
persiaSure.  If you pastebin your draft, I'll proofread it.06:47
ampachereally don't have time to get into the package right now I was just making sure I was in the right channel so when I do I can jump right in06:52
persiaampache: Welcome.  This is the right channel.  See the topic for further information about jumping in.06:55
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RainCTCan someone confirm that Qt4 Designer has no .desktop?06:55
persiaRainCT: Hi.06:56
ampacheThank for offering to help, have relatives down right now so you know how that is,  got to go thank again06:56
persiaRainCT: Are you looking at desktop files in general, or just Qt4 Designer?06:56
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RainCTpersia: just that one06:57
persiaRainCT: Just checking as I'd seen your comments on lshw-gtk ;)06:57
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persiaIf you're looking at a single package, I recommend using `aptitude download packagename; dpkg--contents package.deb | grep desktop` as the easiest way to check.  You might also look in your /var/cache/apt/*.Contents-architecture.gz files, if you have them.07:01
joejaxxpersia: http://pastebin.ca/51193507:01
joejaxxpersia: what i am really wondering about is that middle line in the about this page section07:02
persiajoejaxx: You mean "This computer has installed..."?07:03
joejaxxpersia: yeah07:03
persiaHrm.  I'm not sure I like "...has nothing to do with Ubuntu...".07:03
joejaxxpersia: exactly07:04
joejaxxthat is why i wanted to get a second opinion07:04
RainCTpersia: it hasn't. should I do one and post it on Launchpad? :)07:04
joejaxxpersia: so should i remove that entire line?07:06
joejaxxi guess it is not needed07:06
persiaRainCT:  Adding a file would be great, but a patch to add the file would be even better.  Take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/DesktopFiles and the "Preparing Patches" section of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing for guidance (ask here if you have questions). 07:07
persiajoejaxx: No we need that line.07:07
RainCTpersia: okay, will try07:08
RainCTbtw, the package is named qt4-designer but the exec designer-qt4. is this correct that way? I've been like 10 minuts searching how to start it.. xDD07:08
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joejaxxpersia: i am just wonderinghow do we reword that without it sounding like that07:09
joejaxxs/wonderinghow/wondering\ how/g07:09
persiajoejaxx: How about "This computer has Ubuntu installed, but does not represent Ubuntu.  Please do not contact Ubuntu to report issues with this host."?07:10
joejaxxyes that sounds better07:11
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persiaI'm fairly sure about the first sentence, but the second is harder: specifically that we do want bug reports from the host administrator (and don't want to annoy users), but we don't want bugs because someone sets up a spam daemon with Ubuntu.07:11
joejaxxcontent issues?07:12
joejaxxor disputes?07:12
persiaI'm afraid that "Please do not contact Ubuntu about it"  or  "Please do not contact Ubuntu to report issues with this host." doesn't do the right thing.07:12
joejaxxwhat about Please do not contact Ubuntu to report hosted content disputes with this host?07:13
persiaI think the Debian policy that every webserver had to ship with language like that was started because there had been inappropriate use of a machine that happened to have Debian installed and an available unconfigured webserver, which caused complaints to Debian, but that may have been theoretical rather than real, or I could be mistaken.07:13
joejaxxit sounds like it07:14
persiajoejaxx: Better, but still not something I am 100% sure about.  Do we have a branding team?  Maybe they can help.07:14
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persiajoejaxx: That's probably good.  They would have a better understanding of how to balance the risk of misappropriation and the risk of not getting bug reports than I.07:15
joejaxxalright then07:15
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persiaRainCT: There are a lot of packages where the binary and source package names differ, and even more where the installed executable does not match the binary package name.  You can get the source with `dpkg -S executable` and `apt-cache showsrc binary`.07:19
RainCTwhat's the mimetype of a .ui file?07:19
RainCTpersia: ok07:19
RainCTpersia: what's better for the logo? .png or .xpm?07:28
RainCT*logo => icon07:29
persiaRainCT: The Icons section of MOTU/Packages/DesktopFiles covers it in some detail, but in summary, we need a .xpm to put it in the Debian menu, but .png's are prettier and higher resolution, so if one is available, it's nice to include it.  On the other hand, it's harder to package a .png file that isn't included upstream, so these are often omitted.07:31
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leonelhello motus !07:45
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xxxxx1hi leonel 08:03
leonelhello xxxxx108:04
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leonelhey !   there are no free  Dell  in  shipit.ubuntu.com     .....08:04
leonelis that a bug ?08:04
leonelI'll report it  on launch pad ..08:05
RainCThow can I report a bug on LP if the package isn't listed there (on "Choose...")?08:14
joejaxxleonel: no free dell computer? lol :P08:14
beunoRainCT: what package?08:17
sladenompaul: everyone has equal ops here08:17
RainCTbeuno: qt4-designer08:17
LaserJockRainCT: did you do a search for qt4-designer?08:18
LaserJockRainCT: there should be a little search link next to the Choose08:18
RainCTLaserJock: yes, sure08:19
beunoRainCT: as far as I can see, the package is actually called "qt4-designer-kdecopy", but I can't find it in launchpad either08:20
RainCTbeuno: it's called "qt4-designer", "qt4-designer-kdecopy" is another one (or that's what I think :p)08:20
RainCTok found it, on LP it's called "qt4-x11"08:21
LaserJockthe source package is qt4-x1108:21
RainCTthanks anyways :)08:21
beunoRainCT: you're right, both of them exist08:21
LaserJockRainCT: can you hang on a sec08:21
LaserJockRainCT: did you do a search fot qt4-designer in Launchpad?08:21
beunoLaserJock: how come a search for "qt4" doesn't show any results at all?08:22
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RainCTLaserJock: yes, on the "Choose..." popup08:22
LaserJockRainCT: and it didn't return anything?08:23
RainCTLaserJock: qt4-designer no. ("qt4" yes, but I thought it was called qt4-designer so I didn't see the -x11 until I looked on a qt3 bug and noticed it's called like that)08:24
LaserJockso qt4-x11 did come up but there wasn't a qt4-designer anywhere?08:26
RainCTLaserJock: that's it08:26
leoneljoejaxx: how can we  patch  shipit.ubuntu.com  to fix that ?  hehe08:26
LaserJockRainCT: alright thanks. I just wanted to nail down the problem. I think I might bug the Launchpad guys about that08:27
joejaxxleonel: :P08:28
RainCTLaserJock:  ok, np08:28
RainCThow can I extract the source from a .deb?08:29
LaserJockwell, a .deb is a binary package08:30
LaserJockare you wanted to get the source code that was used to build the .deb?08:31
RainCTah yes.. apt-get source.. so I've to edit the sources.list and update :(08:31
LaserJockif you already have deb-src lines in sources.list then it's all good08:32
LaserJockrather, uncommented deb-src lines08:32
RainCTwell just used Sistem > Admin > "Software Sources" 08:33
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RainCTwhile it downloads, can someone explain me how I add the .desktop and icon to the package please?08:39
LaserJockwell, if there is a .desktop but it's not being install or it's going to the wrong place then you can fix that08:42
LaserJockif it just doesn't have one at all you can adapt an existing one08:42
LaserJock.desktop files are stored in /usr/share/applications/08:43
LaserJockicons generally go to /usr/share/pixmaps/08:43
RainCTyes, I already did one (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/117045), but I don't know how to tell the package to place it on that folders08:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117045 in qt4-x11 "Missing .desktop for qt4-designer" [Undecided,In progress]  08:44
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LaserJockRainCT: here's some general info on .desktops, if you haven't seen it already, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/DesktopFiles08:46
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LaserJockRainCT: you'll probably find some .install files in the debian/ directory in the source08:46
RainCTLaserJock: ok, can I just use bash there I have they a own syntax?08:48
LaserJockRainCT: well, it's a pretty easy syntax, you should get it when you look at the .install file08:49
LaserJockbasicaly, <path to .desktop> usr/share/applications08:49
LaserJockhmm, anybody know who Ceros on the wiki is?08:53
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ompaulsladen, so I noticed at the time :)09:05
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LaserJockRainCT: hmm, I can't duplicate your Launchpad problem09:10
LaserJockwhen I do a search for qt4-designer in the little Choose ... popup it shows up09:11
RainCTLaserJock: No results found for keyword 'qt4-designer'.09:12
LaserJockon what page exactly?09:13
RainCThttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug > Package > Choose...09:13
RainCT@ LaserJock09:13
LaserJockit works with launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug09:14
LaserJockthe Choose popup on the page you did is different09:15
LaserJockthat's very interesting09:15
joejaxxis there a list of packages that are in ubuntu but not in debian?09:15
LaserJockkinda yeah09:16
LaserJockjoejaxx: http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/all-packages.html09:18
joejaxxah ok thanks :)09:18
xxxxx1bye people!09:19
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joejaxxwow 1846 packages09:19
LaserJockI'm not sure if that's been updated to look at gutsy09:20
joejaxxoh ok09:21
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RainCTLaserJock: got the source. in "debian" there is a a qt4-designer.install file with usr/bin/designer-qt4 (line break) usr/lib/qt4/plugins/designer/*.so on it. I've just to add ./qt4-designer.desktop /usr/share/applications/qt4-designer.desktop and ./qt4-designer.xpm /usr/share/pixmaps/qt4-designer.xpm to it?09:25
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LaserJockRainCT: ok, so did you add the .desktop and .xpm?09:29
RainCTLaserJock: yes, are they ok on the debian directory or shall I create a folder for them?09:30
LaserJockput then in the debian directory09:30
LaserJockthen in the .install file do:09:30
LaserJockdebian/qt4-designer.desktop usr/share/applications/09:30
LaserJockdebian/qt4-designer.xpm usr/share/pixmaps/09:31
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RainCTLaserJock: on debuild, I can just ignore stuff like this, or? dpkg-source: warning: executable mode 0755 of `debian/patches/[...] .dpatch' will not be represented in diff09:44
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RainCTgpg: hi ha un problema amb l'agent: es deshabilitar el seu s (there's a problem with the agent: his use will be disabled)     debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....     debuild: fatal error at line 1155:     running debsign failed09:50
RainCTsomebody help?09:50
joejaxxRainCT: what is the commandline you are using ?09:51
geserRainCT: do you use the seahorse-agent?09:51
joejaxxie dbeuild ......09:51
RainCTgeser: yes09:51
RainCTjoejaxx: debuild -S09:52
geserbug #78165 has a work-around for this problem09:52
ubotuLaunchpad bug 78165 in devscripts "debuild fails to use seahorse-agent" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7816509:52
RainCTok thanks09:55
joejaxxgeser: do you know how to make debuild automatically use a certain key?09:55
joejaxxso you do not have to do -kKEYHERE09:55
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geserif debuild honors ~/.devscripts you can use DEBSIGN_KEYID in it09:57
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joejaxxhello pleia2 :)10:07
ArneOlavhello! Are there any chance of there ever coming a netpbm-nonefree package in Ubuntu, instead of the old netpbm-free package that comes from Debian?10:08
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pleia2joejaxx: hey10:12
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LaserJockArneOlav: what is it nonfree?10:14
RainCTis it normal for "patch -p1" to be damn slow?10:15
LaserJockwell, if it's just patch -p1 it would be10:15
LaserJockyou need patch -p1 < patchfile10:15
RainCTLaserJock: it's  patch -p1 ../qt4-x11_4.2.3-0ubuntu4.debdiff 10:16
RainCTLaserJock: is that < missing?10:16
LaserJockput the < in there10:16
tsmitheit generally accepts the patch from stdin10:16
tsmitheso you nee... damn LaserJock, i was explaining!10:16
RainCTon the wiki it's without the <, shall I change it?10:17
\shcan someone do me a favour, and put a j2me package from sun on a webserver where I can download it? somehow I'm not able to download it form sun :(10:17
LaserJock\sh: got a URL for it?10:18
LaserJockor at least a beginning URL10:18
\shLaserJock, on http://java.sun.com/javame/downloads/index.jsp the first download...go down to the next page, there is the real download link10:19
\shi actually don't know if it's on suns side, or on my side, just because coming via umts10:19
LaserJock"Sun Java Wireless Toolkit 2.5.1 for CLDC"10:20
ArneOlavLaserJock, because there is a netpbm-free that is maintained by alioth. You can find more info here http://netpbm.alioth.debian.org/10:20
\shLaserJock, yepp10:20
RainCTcan someone check this (debdiff uploaded) please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/11704510:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117045 in qt4-x11 "Missing .desktop for qt4-designer" [Undecided,Confirmed]  10:21
LaserJockArneOlav: I'm asking what is not free about the nonfree package?10:21
LaserJock\sh: I get a Fatal Exception when I try10:21
\shLaserJock, ok..me too10:21
LaserJockFatal Error rather10:21
RainCTand why can I change the importance of bugs? :S10:21
LaserJockcan or can't?10:22
RainCT* can't10:22
joejaxxRainCT: i think you have to be on Ubuntu QA to be able to change them10:22
LaserJockRainCT: couple things10:23
LaserJockyou need to do this for gutsy so in the changelog you need use gutsy instead of feisty10:24
\shLaserJock, so it's sun and not me or you :)10:24
ArneOlavLaserJock, I don't know...10:24
LaserJockand in the .desktop for the icon don't use a path, just put Icon=qt4-designer10:24
jussi01Hello all10:25
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RainCTLaserJock: okay. is there a easy way to change this now, without redo everything?10:25
\shRainCT, dch -D gutsy10:25
\shfor the distro in debian/changelog10:26
\shadjust the patch10:26
ArneOlavLaserJock, I am guessing some copyrights10:26
RainCT\sh: and then I've to redo debuild -S?10:27
\shRainCT, jeppp10:28
RainCTwhy don't bugfixes go into Feisty?10:29
LaserJockRainCT: because Feisty has been released10:30
RainCTbut there are still updates like every 2 days..10:30
LaserJockthose are security and data-loss bug fixes10:31
\shRainCT, security related issues are going into feisty/edgy/dapper...10:31
RainCT(is there also a way to make   debuild -S   faster? :p)10:32
LaserJockRainCT: it should only take a few seconds to maybe 30s10:34
\shRainCT, buy a new computer ;)10:34
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RainCT4 minutes lol10:40
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LaserJockthat is a bit long10:40
RainCTgreat, let it run again after deleting two CVS folder that were in the source and then it ignores the change ^o)10:41
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ryanakcais this safe to ignore? 10:43
ryanakcaW: kmilo-legacy: package-has-a-duplicate-relation depends: kmilo, kmilo (>= 4:3.5.6-1)10:43
ryanakcaW: kmilo: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libkmilo110:43
RainCTLaserJock: new one updated10:44
LaserJockryanakca: I don't think so10:44
xxxxx1ryanakca: nop. try lintian -i10:44
ryanakcaxxxxx1: ah, thanks10:44
xxxxx1ryanakca: np.10:44
geserryanakca: the first one should be easy to fix10:44
RainCT* updated = uploaded :-/10:45
LaserJockryanakca: doesn't look like the .desktop got updated10:45
LaserJockryanakca: sorry that was for RainCT 10:45
LaserJockRainCT: ^^10:45
rglI've made my first package change!   I've just upgraded a existing package, nginx, but I'm having a bit trouble generating the last bit, the interdiff, so far I've this: http://id.ruilopes.com/ubuntu/packages/nginx/0.5.20/    can you guys help me out?10:46
LaserJockRainCT: did you redo the debdiff?10:46
RainCTLaserJock: yes10:46
ryanakcageser: yep10:46
LaserJockRainCT: hmm, check the .desktop10:48
LaserJockRainCT: also have you had a chance to build the package?10:48
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RainCToops no10:50
ryanakcageser: but then, I don't know if it (the first one) is supposed to be that way. I didn't touch the control file, and it's already in main. And I don't see how kmilo-legacy can't depend on kmilo, since all -legacy is is extra keybindings for older laptops10:50
ryanakcageser: should I pastebin the control file?10:52
geseryes please10:52
rglits normal for a interdiff to contain the patches to revert the previous patches, and then, add our changes?10:53
Q-FUNKHas anything changed since the Feisty freeze about getitng package syncs from Debian?  is that still automatic, just as long as no delta exists that are Ubuntu-specific?10:54
ryanakcageser: http://pastebin.ca/51229610:54
RainCTLaserJock: now :)10:54
ryanakcageser: lines 328 to 36610:54
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geserryanakca: the pastebin has only 349 lines10:57
geserryanakca: I would try to remove kmilo from the depends on kmilo-legacy, rebuild the package and check if kmilo-legacy still has a versioned depends on kmilo10:57
geserI guess the duplicate deps come from the libs in kmilo (see the second warning)10:59
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ryanakcageser: http://pastebin.ca/512308 , there. I cut out the useless text11:00
ryanakcamust be a line limit or something11:00
geseryou can ignore both warnings (as it does gain much but only increases the Ubuntu delta)11:00
LaserJockRainCT: looks great, just one thing, you need do this on top of the gutsy package (4.2.3-1ubuntu2) not feisty's11:01
geserthat way it makes more sense11:01
LaserJockRainCT: I'm guessing it won't make any difference but you should still check it out11:01
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RainCTLaserJock: oh, how can I do that?11:11
LaserJockget the gutsy package source11:13
RainCTyes but from where?11:14
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RainCTLaserJock: do I need the orig.tar.gz? it's called the same11:15
geserRainCT: you can have a deb-src line for gutsy without problems on a feisty system11:15
LaserJockif it's the same version you don't need to get a new one11:15
LaserJockgeser: can you? I ran into a bug with that a while ago11:16
RainCTLaserJock: ok, so I don't need the debuild, just the debdiff is enough?11:16
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LaserJockRainCT: you should always rebuild the source package and it's a good idea to rebuild the binary package11:20
LaserJockbut put the debdiff in the bug report11:21
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RainCT"Launchpad is offline at the moment for maintenance." great11:22
RainCTok, uploaded http://librarian.launchpad.net/7844298/qt4-x11_4.2.3-1ubuntu3.debdiff11:23
LaserJockok, you need to debdiff from the gutsy version to your version11:24
LaserJockit looks like you debdiffed from the feisty version to your gutsy version11:24
RainCTI changed my .dsc the version and the .dsc's file name and debdiffed with the gutsy one11:25
geserRainCT: you need to redo you changes to the gutsy version11:25
geserthe gutsy version has some additional fixes compared to the feisty one which get removed by your debdiff11:26
geserand the version needs also to be updated11:26
RainCTgeser: uhm.. how do I update the source folder?11:29
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geserI don't understand. You mean how to unpack the source package from gutsy?11:31
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LaserJockRainCT: basically, just save your .desktop and .xpm file somewhere and remove the source folder you were working in11:32
RainCTI've the files qt4-x11_4.2.3.orig.tar.gz, qt4-x11_4.2.3-1ubuntu2.diff.gz and qt4-x11_4.2.3-1ubuntu2.dsc11:32
RainCTwhat do I do with them to get the source folder?11:32
LaserJockRainCT: then unpack the gutsy source with dpkg-source -x qt4-x11_4.2.3-1ubuntu2.dsc11:32
LaserJocknow recreate your changes11:34
RainCThow do I change the changelog?11:36
RainCTdch isn't working11:36
RainCTit puts another guy's changes before mine, with version 1ubuntu211:37
LaserJockwell, that's the version that's in gutsy11:37
RainCTso shouldn't it add 1ubuntu3?11:38
LaserJockyou should just run dch -i11:38
RainCTah ok11:38
RainCTok done+11:40
geserand add either -D gutsy or change the distribution in the editor11:40
RainCTthere are 2 CVS folders in the source, how can I remove them? or should I leave them?11:40
geseras this is already packaged software, leave them11:41
geserbesides dpkg-source will ignore the removals as it can't represent them in the diff.gz11:42
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RainCTok, debuilding11:44
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RainCTLaserJock, geser: uploaded11:52
FujitsuMorning everyone.11:54
LaserJockhi Fujitsu 11:54
FujitsuHi LaserJock.11:55
joejaxxhello Fujitsu 11:55
FujitsuHi joejaxx.11:55
RainCTnight Fujitsu :p11:55
LaserJockRainCT: looks good11:56
LaserJockRainCT: now you want to subscribe the ubuntu-universe-sponsors team to that bug11:58
RainCTalready did that11:59
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astro73__anyone have a saitek gamer's keyboard?11:59
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LaserJockRainCT: great11:59
geserLaserJock, RainCT: qt4-x11 is in main12:00
LaserJockI did wonder but was too lazy to look12:01
RainCTso I've to add ubuntu-main-sponsors?12:01
RainCThow do I unsubscribe -universe ?12:03
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geserRainCT: I've already done it12:04
geseryou need to be a member of a team to unsubscribe it12:04
RainCTgeser: but I subscribed it again trying if it asks to unsubscribe if it's submitted twice :/12:04
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RainCTso now I've to wait for someone to review it?12:06
geserRainCT: when I look at the subscribers of this bug it looks ok now12:06
RainCTOK, thanks to all12:07
geserhave you checked the .desktop file with desktop-file-validate? because it gives: error: required key "Encoding" not found12:07
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geserand a warning about the undefined "Application" category12:08
RainCThttp://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-0.9.8.html here it says encoding is deprecated12:09
geserthan the tool probably needs an update12:11
FujitsuInteresting. Looks like Debian is making shlibs more intelligent12:11
Q-FUNKFujitsu: URL?12:12
FujitsuAbout 3 hours ago on debian-devel12:12
RainCTwell, gonna go12:12
RainCTgood night12:12
geserRainCT: ignore my comment about the .desktop file than12:13
FujitsuRainCT: You should remove the Application category.12:13
geserRainCT: I looked at your debdiff and it looks ok to me12:13

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