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jordani dont think i did12:27
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maxamillionlemme think ....12:27
jordani guess it isnt really that big of a deal12:27
jordani mean, it looks nice how it is12:28
maxamillionyeah, but honestly ... i don't like metacity, xfwm4 is half of why i use xfce ... its a really nice window manager12:28
jordanwell, if u wanna keep working with me here im more than up for it12:28
jordanid like to see it12:28
jordanbut i dont wanna take all of ur time either12:29
maxamillionjordan: yeah, lemme check some config files and then cross reference with you, just a moment i need to locate them12:29
jordanpossibly i can use beryl to change the window manager?12:29
jordani see something like that in the beryl manager12:29
maxamillionjordan: technically you could, but you shouldn't need to ... you can give that a try while i search around for the right files12:30
jordani tried it, and it seemed to change the window manager12:30
maxamillionjordan: well thats good12:31
jordannow there is a little o in the top left corner12:31
jordanand an up arrow in the right12:31
jordanis that xfwm4?12:31
maxamillionthe o is for "sticky" and the up arrow is for "shade"12:31
maxamillionyeah, it is12:31
jordanwell, ill mess around with this then12:31
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jordani really appreciate everyone help12:32
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maxamillionand you can configure those in Applications->Settings->Settings Manager->Window Manager .... under "button layout" you can drag and drop which ones are displayed or hidden12:32
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jordanim sure this isnt the last that you will see me here12:32
maxamillionjordan: anytime :)12:32
maxamillionjordan: this is what we are here for12:33
jordanwell thanks again12:33
jordanhave a nice night/afternoon12:33
maxamillionand you too ..12:33
maxamillionbah, too slow12:33
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maxamillionPriceChild: hi hi01:16
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ReMixxhi is anyone here knowledgable with grub error 17s?01:37
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octoberdanI've downloaded a theme and coppied it into /usr/share/themes, but when I go to the Settings Manager and then "Window Manager." the theme isn't in the list of styles01:48
octoberdanHow come?01:48
j1mcoctoberdan: have you extracted the theme files?01:52
octoberdanj1mc: I have01:53
octoberdanj1mc: Just as the directions described01:53
j1mcoctoberdan: hmmm... give me a second, please.  :)  let me check something.01:53
octoberdanIs the theme01:54
j1mcoctoberdan: can you navigate to where you've placed theme?01:55
j1mc. . . using thunar to navigate there would be fine.01:56
j1mcoctoberdan: hello?01:57
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viddoctoberdan, can you get there?01:59
ReMixxanyone here good with installing xubuntu? I'm having rather annoying issues with partitioning, grub, etc.01:59
viddReMixx, you using the live cd or the alt-cd?01:59
ReMixx(no idea what alt-cd is)02:00
octoberdanvidd: Yes02:00
=== vidd never uses the live cd...
ReMixxerm, what exactly is alt-cd?02:00
viddoctoberdan, what is the directory path02:00
octoberdanReMixx: Non live-cd installer02:00
octoberdanReMixx: Always you to install in some ways that you wouldn't be able to with the live cd02:01
viddReMixx, it is an installer-only...MUCH easier to install with then the live cd02:01
ReMixxahh, isee that now on the xubuntu.org site02:01
ReMixxi'll try that02:01
octoberdanvidd: /usr/share/themes/Neutronium Gilouche02:01
viddReMixx, you have issues with that...i can help!02:01
viddoctoberdan, give me a sec....let me see where i have my themes02:02
ReMixxlol ok02:02
ReMixxit's gonna take like 18 hours to download... erm02:02
octoberdanvidd: I might have got it working, one moment...02:03
viddReMixx, can you connect to the internet via a wired network card? or do you use dial-up?02:03
ReMixxwired nic02:03
viddReMixx, then get the mini iso...and do a net install02:03
=== vidd has it on his personal website....
ReMixxah thanks02:04
viddgot it?02:04
ReMixxfirefox doesn't know how to handle that protocol?02:04
ReMixxfirst time i've seen that02:04
ReMixxah i had an extra colon, my bad02:04
viddmy dsl blocks port 8002:05
viddverizon equals evil02:05
ReMixxhmmm i'm downloading the entire iso02:05
viddits small02:05
ReMixxnot so small i would say02:05
viddwhich iso did you grab?02:06
ReMixxwas the only xubuntu one on there02:06
viddone minute...let me slap the mini iso back on there02:06
ReMixxoh ok02:07
ReMixxso i need to do a netinstall from the box i'm putting this on right?02:07
ReMixxi just bought a new nic for it (so old it never had one)02:07
viddit is called mini.iso02:08
ReMixxyup downloading02:08
ReMixxtake about 2min02:08
ReMixxso i should go ahead and put that nic in then eh?02:09
ReMixxand pray it works lol02:09
viddhow new is it?02:09
ReMixxlike i just bought it today02:09
ReMixxbut the box is an old pentium 2 450mhz02:10
ReMixxno ethernet ports on it, been using usb wireless02:10
viddnic cards havent changed much in the last 3 years...should be fine02:10
viddusb wireless....what chipset?02:10
ReMixxuh it's a netopia usb wireless adapter02:11
ReMixxdon't know a model number02:11
viddunder the live cd....what does lsusb say?02:11
viddand does it work with the live cd?02:11
ReMixxoh i didn't try it with live cd02:12
ReMixxthat was when i had xp installed on it02:12
ReMixx(yeah it ran xp)02:12
viddthe live cd will tell you if the usb wireless will work or not....well by default anyway....02:12
viddif the live cd will connect to the internet with your wireless usb without extra configuration, then that mini iso will too02:13
viddand you can hold off on installing that pci card (or just install it anyway)02:14
ReMixxi'm just gonna install it anyways02:14
ReMixxwireless is too finicky for a dedicated server02:14
=== vidd would recomend installing it prior to installing anyway so the default install will take care of it all for you, and you wont have to jump thru any hoops to install it after the install is complete
=== vidd loves his wireless (now that it works) on his laptop
ReMixxlol ok i'll do wirless firs tthen02:15
viddyour download complete already?02:16
ReMixxi should go ahead and burn it right02:16
viddi could tell....the lights on my server box stopped flashing!02:16
ReMixxso put the live cd in to see if wireless works?02:17
viddsoon that box will be sitting in the NOC @ work, and i wont have to worry about port 80 blocking02:17
viddbut if your going to install the nic anyway, might just as well install it prior to using the net installer02:18
ReMixxput the nic in first?02:18
viddsee if the usb works....weather it does or not, install the nic02:18
ReMixxso installing nic now then02:19
viddyou just want to see if the usb works, cuzz you might want to use that net installer on another machine without a LAN nic02:21
ReMixxi see, where is the net installer installing from?02:22
viddit is installing from the apt repositories available online02:23
ReMixxoh ok02:23
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ReMixxi put the live cd back in to see if the wireless works02:23
ReMixxit's gonna take a few min to load up...02:23
tuga3dhi all!02:23
tuga3di've instaled xubuntu, but i need the kernel source to compile my modem drivers02:24
tuga3dcan anyone tell me where i can get them?02:24
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viddyou gan get them via synaptic02:26
tuga3di dont have internet in xubuntu :( i need the modem drivers.02:26
viddthey are on the install cd02:27
viddyou dont NEED to be connected to get them02:27
viddjust make sure you have the cd in your /etc/apt/sources.list file UNcommented02:28
tuga3dwhat's the name of the package? i've searched for kernel souce.02:28
viddone sec....02:28
ReMixxhey vidd, i plugged in the wireless usb, but how do i see if it's working?02:30
viddits either linux-image-[kernel version]  or linux-header-[kernel version]  .... i recommend you install both02:31
viddReMixx, open a web page02:31
tuga3dok, thanks!!!!02:31
viddand go somewhere02:31
ReMixxhmmm how do i open firefox? there's no app bar02:31
viddno app bar....?02:32
ReMixxyeah, i found that odd too02:32
viddcan you right-click?02:32
ReMixxoh ok igot it02:32
viddwhat you get?02:32
ReMixxi alt-f2 and typed firefox02:32
viddther ya go02:32
ReMixxyeah, this live cd is weird02:32
ReMixxi don't like it too much lol02:32
viddand ppl wonder why i install exclusively from the alt or net-install02:33
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ReMixxok so i need to enter my wireless's security thingy...02:33
ReMixxto connect to the network02:33
ReMixxhow do i do that?02:33
vidd[alt-f2]  then gsudo network-admin02:34
ReMixxno such file or directory as gsudo02:35
ReMixxsudo worked02:35
viddyeah...sorry for the typo02:35
ReMixxforgive me for being new at this hehe02:35
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ReMixxuggg, i need to manually configure all the wireless stuff?02:37
viddneed either bigger keys or smaller fingers02:37
viddmanually????? no02:37
vidddo you see "wireless"?02:37
ReMixxoh dhcp, my bad02:37
ReMixxi was doing static ip02:37
ReMixxthat's why02:37
=== vidd always uses static ips on his linux boxes...let that dhcp for the windows boxes
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ReMixxi don't know what to put for like gateway and stuff02:38
viddthe gateway is the ip of your network device....02:39
ReMixxwell i'll just use dhcp for now02:39
viddie...iuf your router is @ ip[, then THAT is yoiur gateway02:39
ReMixxoh ok02:39
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viddReMixx, do we have contact?02:41
viddrhe EASIEST way to tell for sure is to go to terminal and type iwconfig02:41
ReMixxmy keyboard randomly stopped working02:42
viddif the "access point" says "invalid" then no....if it has a mac address[xx.xx.xx.xx.xx.xx]  then you have a yes02:42
ReMixxlet me get my keyboard working again...02:42
vidddid i mention i HATE the live cd?02:44
ReMixxno kidding02:44
ReMixxlike power isn't going to my keyboard anymore02:44
ReMixxturning on wireless apparently turns off the keyboard02:44
ReMixxguess i have to restart and pray02:45
viddthey keyboard isnt WIRELESS by chance is it?02:45
viddthen just nix the wireless for now, install the nic drop in the disk...and pray!02:45
ReMixxok power is back in the keyboard, numlock lit up02:45
ReMixxthat would be easier02:45
ReMixxso just pop the netinstaller in?02:46
viddand take out the wireless02:46
viddfor now02:46
viddout of curiosity....how much ram you got running?02:47
ReMixx384 i believe?02:47
ReMixxof god only knows how fast ram02:47
ReMixxit's really old hehe02:47
ReMixxthat netinstaller brings up an ubuntu splash screen02:47
ReMixxcan i still get xubuntu out of it?02:48
viddnear the end, you will get an option of which desktop environment you want....ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, xubuntu, or LAMP02:49
ReMixxoh ok02:49
vidddid i mention i LOVE the net installer?02:49
ReMixxso default installation02:50
ReMixxor server?02:50
viddif you do server, you will get a CLI only install02:50
ReMixxoh ok02:51
viddand NOT get the options listed above02:51
ReMixxi see02:51
viddin which case, you simply go to the command line, and type "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"02:51
vidddoes the exact same thing02:52
ReMixxi need to find another ethernet cable before i go any further02:52
viddjust takes you 3 minutes longer...and you do [maybe]  one extra reboot02:53
ReMixxok back02:55
ReMixxplugged it in and the led's lit up02:56
ReMixxthat's good02:56
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viddReMixx, did your install find your home network?02:58
ReMixxit's "Loading additional components"02:59
viddthen your off to the races02:59
ReMixxnow does this netinstall have a partitioner in it too?02:59
viddyou hit a snag...im here to get you thru it02:59
viddReMixx, yes it does02:59
ReMixxoh ok02:59
ReMixxman i hope they clean up the live cds...03:00
viddyou will have the option of using the entire drive, or moving your windows partion to the side and using the rest03:00
ReMixxthat's just ridiculous... especially for people who don't know computers well03:00
ReMixxthere's no windows on it03:00
ReMixxoh ok i'm at the partitioner now03:01
ReMixxi'll choose manual03:01
viddthen just select the option of using the entire disk and let it do the hard stuff for ya!03:01
ReMixxor guided using all?03:01
ReMixxoh ok03:01
ReMixxwhat's LVM?03:01
viddit is a method of "spanning partitions"03:01
ReMixxdo i need that?03:02
vidddo you want other stuff on here besides ubuntu?03:02
ReMixxjust xubuntu03:02
ReMixxi got 2 hdds in it too03:02
vidddo you have more then one hard drive?03:02
ReMixxyup 203:02
viddhow big?03:03
ReMixxwell the main one is 12gig and the slave is 36ish03:03
ReMixxbefore i was trying to do root in the 12gig and /home in the 3603:03
vidd12 gig and 36 gig?03:03
ReMixxit's old :)03:04
viddyou want to use guided on all of the 12 gig....03:04
viddafter it is done, you want to go back and do a manual.....03:04
ReMixxoh ok03:05
ReMixxhow would i go about doing the manual?03:05
ReMixxor do i have to use the net-installer again03:05
viddbefore you write the changes...THAT wis when you go back....03:05
ReMixxi thinki just told it to write03:06
viddyou want it to auto set up your first drive, then manually set up the second drive as /homne03:06
ReMixxcan i do that later on?03:06
ReMixxoh i see a go back option03:06
viddyes....but it is rather complicated03:06
vidduse it03:06
ReMixxok back intot he partitioner03:06
viddwhat do you see/03:07
viddyou SHOULD see something like hdb >unpartiioned sp0ace03:07
ReMixxok i think i set it up correctly, let me read it off to you03:08
ReMixxIDE1 master - #1 primary 12.4Gig for ext3 '/', #5 logical 592.2MB swap03:08
ReMixxIDE2 slave (hdb) #1 primary ext3 /home03:09
viddsopunds about right...03:09
ReMixxlooks about right03:09
viddyou have /, you have swap, you have /home03:09
viddthats all you need03:10
ReMixxcool, writing changes to disk03:10
viddacually its more then you NEED but its what you want...ya know what i mean03:10
vidd=] 03:10
ReMixxhaha yeah03:10
viddnoiw you can sit back, relax, read the articles on www.linux.org, have a beer.....03:12
ReMixxlol, still configuring03:12
ReMixxso where are we supposed to get this net-installer if i didn't get it from your server?03:13
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ReMixxand now it's installing03:13
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viddits burried somewhere in the ubuntu archives03:13
ReMixxthat's no good03:13
ReMixxwhat about an alt-cd?03:13
ReMixxhow does that work03:13
viddthe alt cd is found on the same page as the live cd...you just have to scroll down to find it03:14
viddoh...it works much the same way03:14
viddit just has all the files you are now downloading on the disk itself03:15
ReMixxyeah i could find the alt cd03:16
viddthis method saves you the trouble of immediately having to run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to get the lastest and greatest of everything03:17
ReMixxi see03:17
ReMixxand it will let me choose xubuntu eventually?03:17
viddyou dont install already patched bugs03:17
viddyes it will03:17
ReMixxunfortunately it might take all night to install...03:19
viddi thought you had DSL?03:19
vidd20-30 minutes more....max03:20
ReMixxwell it's been at 6% for a long time03:20
ReMixxand it just jumped to like 3003:20
ReMixxnow it's really going03:20
viddyeah...that 7th % is a pain in the [explicative deleted] 03:21
ReMixxno kidding!03:21
ReMixxi think it was because it's unpacking what it download03:21
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viddno....that has always been a slow spot...even with my rocket machine03:23
ReMixxoh ok03:23
ReMixx34 and 48 were slow too03:23
ReMixxand those were unpacking stages03:23
viddmy rocket machine has 1gig of ram and that part still took a minute or 203:24
viddwell, it will always take longer to install the package then to download it on machines with ram deficiencies03:25
vidd=] 03:25
ReMixxhehe yup03:25
ReMixxi'm so glad the nic worked03:25
ReMixxit costed $15 and i had a $10 coupon03:25
ReMixxso i paid $4.99 for it03:26
viddas i said...wired nics havent changed all that much in the last 3 years, and most manufactures are making sure they work with linux03:26
ReMixxthe actual box said windows only03:26
ReMixxlike explicitly03:26
viddwireless is a totally different story.....03:26
ReMixxbut whatever, it works03:26
viddthe FCC in the US has laws about broadcast frequencies and such....03:27
ReMixxyeah you try to install a wireless usb card and your keyboard will die03:27
viddand open source will let ppl change what frequencies thier cards broadcast, so someone might try to take out a plane .....or some other such [explicative deleted] 03:28
viddsome hard wire the frequencies....duhhhhh03:30
ReMixxso how do you know so much about linux vidd?03:30
viddmy motto is hack it till it hurt...i mean works!03:30
viddjust from using it...paying attention here, and reading03:31
ReMixxah, very nice03:31
viddfor example...i spent a month trying to get my wireless card to work on my laptop.....03:31
ReMixxi'm getting more interested in linux, especially now that opengl is confirmed to be back into development... 3.0 by the end of the year!03:32
ReMixxand vista sucks.03:32
viddi was getting ready to order some replacement, linux-friendly wifi cards and throw the one that came with the laptop under a truck, when my daughter touched a button on the bottom edge of the laptop [a button i never noticed before]  and poof....it worked03:33
ReMixxdid you use the wireless adapter before?03:34
ReMixxlike on a different OS?03:34
viddyes...that was what had me banging my head against the wall03:34
viddit worked in linux03:34
ReMixxit wasn't a toshiba laptop was it?03:34
viddworse....a compaq03:34
ReMixxoh ok03:34
ReMixxmy mom has a toshiba and it had a hidden wireless button on it too03:34
ReMixxi personally use a dell laptop03:35
ReMixxwith xp on it03:35
viddwhy on EARTH would ANYONE want to turn off the wi-fi?03:35
viddReMixx, we hope to fix that03:35
vidd!bug 103:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103:36
ReMixxi'd switch to linux if it wasn't for directx03:36
viddwhat do you need direct x for?03:36
ReMixxi can play some games with the 6800go in here03:36
ReMixxand trying to emulate it in linux would just kill performance too much03:37
ReMixxwith cedega or something03:37
vidddont emulate it...just use WINE03:37
ReMixxwell cedega is based on wine isn't it?03:38
viddbut really...what games do you play?03:38
viddit is...but wine is free03:38
ReMixxwell mostly source based (CS, mods) and oblivion03:38
ReMixxoh i wasn't aware that cedega wasn't free03:38
viddyou have to pay for it03:38
ReMixxi see03:38
ReMixxeven worse lol03:38
viddto the best of my knowledge anyway....03:39
ReMixxyou're probably right03:39
viddi could be wrong....03:39
ReMixxbut yeah xp does everything i need it to do on this laptop03:39
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viddhow is your install coming along?03:40
ReMixxi just chose xubuntu03:40
ReMixxand it's about 85%03:40
ReMixxwith that03:40
viddawesome....and we are only at about 17 minutes03:41
ReMixxoh really?03:41
ReMixxthat's 450mhz of pure cpu power!03:41
viddtold ya....20-30 minutes tops03:41
ReMixxdo you know a good free utility for remote desktop on it?03:42
ReMixxbesides vnc...03:42
ReMixxyou have to pay to use vnc as far as i know03:42
viddtakes longer to make the alt-cd then to dl, make, run and install with the mini03:42
ReMixxwell if my university hosted the alt-cd like they do the live cd... i could download it in 3 minutes lol03:42
vidd] there is an open source vnc server and client for linux...its in the repos03:43
ReMixxcan i sudo apt-get vnc or something?03:44
viddits just a pay thing for windowsa03:44
ReMixxand does it include file transfer?03:44
viddsomething like that03:44
ReMixxwhich isn't necessary... but would be nice03:44
viddnot sure what it is that you are trying to do....03:44
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ReMixxi would use ssh, but i want to use some graphical programs on it03:45
ReMixxwhich is a bit complicated with ssh terminal :)03:45
vidddo you want to remote in to a windows machine, or remote in from linux to windows [or linux] ?03:45
ReMixxremote from windows or linux into linux03:46
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ReMixxhmm the installation has been stuck at 90% for awhile now03:46
viddthen you set up a vnc server on the machine you want to remote into, and then use a vnc client on the machine you are connecting from03:46
ReMixxyeah that was the plan03:46
ReMixxjust would be nice if the free vnc had file transfer, i believe that is only part of the edition you have to pay for03:47
ReMixxbut i can ssh transfer files03:47
viddgive me a sec to get you some documentation03:47
viddhere is one: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/VNC_GDM03:50
ReMixxhmm thanks03:51
viddset up an ftp server on the remote machine, and gftp on the client side03:51
ReMixxi'll look at it more when i get closer to setting it up03:51
ReMixxi can do that for file transfer03:51
viddyou get past 90% now?03:51
ReMixxjust hit 9103:51
viddgood...cuzz we are getting close to 26 minutes.....03:52
viddif it goes over 30...blame your dsl provider...ISP's are used to getting blamed for stuff they have no control over.....03:53
ReMixxback, lol03:55
ReMixx97%, cleaning up03:55
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ReMixxok it's installing grub03:56
ReMixxand done, rebooting03:57
viddawesome...31 minutes03:58
ReMixxstupid AT&T03:58
ReMixxhmmm i don't get the xubuntu splash screen?03:59
vidddo you NEED it? and did it already reboot?03:59
ReMixxi don't need it, just curious where it went03:59
ReMixxand it's in the process of starting up03:59
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vidddid you remember to remove the disk?04:00
ReMixxright now it's stuck at Running local boot scripts04:00
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ReMixxoh i just had to hit enter04:01
ReMixxit's just one big terminal04:02
ReMixxwhere's the gui?04:02
vidddid you get the desktop login niow?04:02
ReMixxi logged in04:02
viddnot sure....04:02
ReMixxbut i'm not sure if i'm actually running xubuntu04:02
ReMixxsudo apt-get xubuntu-desktop was it?04:02
viddtype "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"04:02
ReMixxE: Invalid operation xubuntu-desktop04:03
viddwhat does it say?04:03
ReMixxthat's what it says04:03
viddyou forgot the "install"04:03
ReMixxthere we go04:03
ReMixxit's doing stuff04:03
ReMixxapparently i must not have chosen xubuntu04:04
ReMixxi highlighted it and hit enter, but that might have just chosen the default option04:04
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viddhmmmm.....idk....it always worked for me......04:05
ReMixxso am i gonna have 2 things come up in grub then?04:05
ReMixxone for xubuntu and one for whatever flavor of ubuntu this is?04:05
viddwell...3 acually....but they are already ther04:05
ReMixxwell besides the mem test and safe mode or whatever04:05
ReMixxoh ok cool, so it just kinda deletes whatever i was using now?04:06
ReMixxit's estimating 38minutes on the download04:07
viddno...it looks like you have either the server install (no desktop) or the lamp (apche, mysql, linux CLI, and php04:07
ReMixxi think it's server install04:07
viddthen it will just put the desktop over what is already there04:08
ReMixxanywho, i'm gonna go do something else, i need to get away while this downloads, you gonna be around later if i need you vidd?04:08
viddsure...but you wont NEED help....it will just workl04:09
ReMixxhaha good!04:10
ReMixxthanks alot vidd04:10
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ReMixxhopefully i won't have to ask for help later!04:10
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vidd_laptopoctoberdan, is your themes working now?04:26
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octoberdanvidd: Gave up on it for now, actually04:47
viddcuzz i think i see where they SHOULD be04:50
viddwhere are they now?04:50
ReMixxhey vidd, you still around?04:53
ReMixxwell it finished the download04:54
viddall go well?04:54
ReMixxbut it still goes into the server mode or whatever04:54
ReMixxlike xubuntu doesn't show up04:54
viddtry reboot already?04:54
ReMixxgrub says its loading in 5 seconds, and then it automatically goes into the server mode04:55
viddok...give me a sec....04:57
ReMixxoh gross, if i do another apt-get install xubuntu-desktop, it wants to reinstall it all again04:58
ReMixxas in redownload it all04:58
viddtry typing this in the command line:04:59
viddpgrep apache204:59
ReMixxi already initiated it again04:59
ReMixxbut it looks like it doesn't have to redownload04:59
vidd{ctrl}{c} will stop it04:59
ReMixxit's all downloaded, it's just unpacking everything04:59
viddhmmm....did it not properly install b4?05:00
ReMixxwell it said some things didn't get installed and said to do an update05:00
ReMixxlets see what it says this time05:00
vidddo "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop05:01
ReMixxi'll try it when its done05:02
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viddReMixx, servey says?05:10
ReMixxit's still in the process of "setting up" things05:11
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ReMixxapparently setting up the fonts is really hard05:20
viddis it working now?05:22
ReMixxit's still setting up the fonts05:25
ReMixxand regenerating fonts cache a lot05:25
viddit does that after each font it loads05:27
viddits annoying...i know05:27
ReMixxand i think it set up over 100 splashes05:30
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ReMixxthat's new05:33
ReMixxit wants me to configure X server05:33
ReMixxok, vidd?05:34
ReMixxok so the internal speaker yelled at me and now i'm back to /boot/grub$_05:38
viddchoose all the default settings05:38
ReMixxi did05:38
ReMixxfor that05:38
viddwhat does it say?05:39
viddor is it loading yet?05:39
ReMixxumm it's just waiting for my input05:39
ReMixxat the prompt05:39
ReMixxis it called a shell prompt or something?05:39
ReMixxi dont' know the technical terms05:39
ReMixxshould i restart?05:40
viddtype pgrep apache205:40
viddtell me what it says05:40
ReMixxit didn't do anything05:40
ReMixxjust gave me a new line with the shell prompt05:40
viddthat means you did NOT install the LAMP05:40
viddbut i do not know why you are not auto booting the desktop05:41
ReMixxi'll ctrl alt delete reboot it05:41
viddgive me a sec05:41
viddwell....try that while i look05:42
ReMixxi typed startx for the hell of it... that did something05:42
ReMixxat least i have a mouse cursor now lol05:42
viddyeah...that was what i was looking for....05:42
viddthe correct start command05:42
ReMixxi know that's what you use for myth05:43
ReMixxWOOHOOO it worked05:43
ReMixxand it has the application bar too!05:43
viddbefore you reboot....05:43
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viddgo to the settings manager....05:44
viddapplications>settings>settings manager....05:44
ReMixxi'm there05:45
viddthen "Sessions and startup"05:45
viddis there a check in ANY box?05:45
ReMixxcheck next to: "Prompt on logout", "Show hibernate button", "Show suspend button"05:46
viddsorry...go to "advanced" tab05:46
ReMixxoh ok05:46
ReMixxjust launch gnome on startup05:46
viddi dont see where we goofed05:47
ReMixxwe goofed? how so05:47
viddthe desktop should load WITHOUT being TOLD to05:47
ReMixxwell it is now05:47
ReMixxit's loading05:48
ReMixxsplash screen and all05:48
viddright...but there should NOT have been all these extra steps05:48
ReMixxand it's loading much faster than ubuntu on my much faster desktop...05:48
viddnot really...it is way less to load05:49
ReMixxthat must be it05:49
viddso all is well and good in your wold?05:49
ReMixxit appears so!05:49
ReMixxnow to set up some things05:49
ReMixxi assume anything that works on ubuntu will work on xubuntu?05:50
viddthey both have the same repo's05:50
viddfeel free to recommend my site to your friends...and pass that disk around!05:50
ReMixxwhy would you encourage passing the disk around?05:51
ReMixxbut i will05:51
viddso that we can fight bug #105:51
ubotuLaunchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105:51
vidd!bug 105:51
viddas a side note....05:52
viddi will be changing the name of that download folder from /test to /downloads05:52
ReMixxif anything i'll just give them the net installer.iso05:53
viddnot going to recomend my site?05:53
ReMixxlol sure i will05:53
ReMixxwhat's the address again05:54
viddi have all kinds of goodies there05:54
ReMixxok i bookmarked it05:55
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viddmaybe throw together some tutorials and articles05:55
ReMixxlol good luck with that05:55
vidd=] 05:55
ReMixxthat would be really helpful05:55
viddif i only knew html.......05:56
ReMixxhow do i add repositories to xubuntu?05:56
viddin command line or via synaptic?05:56
vidd(it is the same as ubuntu)05:57
ReMixxuh i was going by some tutorial that said to go to system>administration>software properties05:57
ReMixxah i found it in xubuntu05:57
ReMixxsoftware sources05:57
viddha...i just go to terminal and type "sudo [preferred text editor...i use pico]  etc/apt/sources.list05:59
ReMixxah yeah05:59
viddjust uncomment, and viola! save and exit, sudo apt-get update....done06:00
ReMixxthere wasn't anything in sources.list06:01
ReMixxto uncomment06:01
viddof course not...you did the net install...it auto-selects ALL repo's06:01
ReMixxso i'm set then06:01
viddthe entire repo collection is available06:02
viddand im off to hit the rack06:02
ReMixxdo you know where to find the enable xdmcp button?06:02
ReMixxneed ot do that for vnc06:02
viddapplications>settings>login window06:03
ReMixxdon't see it in there06:04
viddhmmmm....then i dont know where it would be...or if it is even available for xfce06:06
viddbut this is where you set the timed login...and that is the same place what you are looking for is in Ubuntu....06:06
ReMixxso i need to enable timed login?06:07
viddso that is beyond my experience...and i have no idea what it even is!06:07
ReMixxlol ok, thanks anyway hehe06:07
viddno....VIDD needs to enable timed logins because the old lady is NEVER getting the password for my account, and she cant remember her own06:08
ReMixxok i found it06:08
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viddawesome....where is it [so i can tell the next guyu06:08
ReMixxin the login window, remote tab, have to select something other than login disabled06:08
ReMixxlike plain06:08
ReMixxand then it shows up on the bottom06:08
ReMixx"Configure XDMCP"06:08
viddah...so i WAS right...just it is not showing by default06:10
viddwhat IS XDMCP?06:10
ReMixxbeats me lol06:10
ReMixxi just know you need to go in there and uncheck something for vnc to work06:11
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ReMixxgood luck figuring it out06:12
viddwell the bed is calling me....06:12
viddsee ya around?06:12
ReMixxit called me a couple hours ago06:12
ReMixxmaybe, if i need help ;)06:12
ReMixxthanks again vidd, you saved my xubuntu life lol06:12
ReMixxgood night06:13
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artabrahaoHI, I have a ubuntu installed and want to share some folders with windows 2003 server.06:47
ubotusamba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT06:52
artabrahaoI installed samba, and the windows see the mshome workgrouo, ping the server when I type \\ubuntu\folder from a window, it does not work06:56
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sigmamu188dose anyone know how to change the permissions for the usage of a command07:25
sigmamu188ie the shutdown command07:25
sigmamu188so that you dont have to type sudo  shutdown now07:25
sigmamu188and enter a pw07:25
sigmamu188i tried changing the ownersuip and user for /sbin/shutdown07:27
sigmamu188is /sbin/shutdown the command i need to change the permission of07:29
Pumpernickelsigmamu188: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/NonRootShutdown07:29
T`anyone here know how to select the default audio card to use?07:35
T`i have a usb headset and normal soundcard07:35
T`i would like to switch between both..07:35
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artabrahaoin ubuntu I can see mshome workgroup But  cant see the server, and from microsoft network is the same07:53
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silent_I'm having partition issues with the xubuntu installation outlined here w/ a screenshot: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=45467908:14
CatoptromancyI find alternate CD much easier to partition08:16
silent_I tried the alternative and got the same result08:17
CatoptromancyI tried with live CD many times08:17
silent_the post indicates that08:17
CatoptromancyLive CD didnt seem to have the option08:17
CatoptromancyAlternate is there for Fiesty?08:17
Jester45silent_: what type is the partition you might not have any read access08:17
silent_all of the partitions08:18
silent_none of them show in the installer08:18
Jester45Catoptromancy: did you look at the link?08:18
CatoptromancyI saw screenshot08:18
CatoptromancyI saw same thing when tried to install08:18
CatoptromancyAlternate CD much easier to get around08:18
silent_is it a problem with sata drives?08:18
Jester45silent_: what filesystem is on there08:18
Jester45any fat or linux compatible?08:19
silent_1 is ntfs, 2 is ext3, 3 is ntfs, 4 is... not sure, and 5 is swap08:19
Jester45ok never mind then08:19
silent_why doesn't the installer run as root or use the same functions to access the drive as fdisk does?08:20
Jester45can you mount it?08:20
silent_I can mount anything as root08:20
T`you guys know how to select the default sound card for alsa?08:20
silent_and make it accessible to users08:20
T`i have two devices08:20
Jester45run the installer root08:20
Jester45as root08:20
silent_I tried, using the gui, could you give me the proper command to run it?08:21
Jester45nope not with out booting to a live cd08:21
Jester45can you try open a terminal and draging the icon into it08:22
T`Jester45, any idea about my question?08:22
silent_I think I've tried that.... here, I'll boot into live, brb08:22
Jester45T`: nope i have problems with sound my self08:22
T`Jester45, oh.. like?08:22
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Jester45T`: like nothing on the system can control my card, all the mixers give me the same volume output at 0% or 100%08:23
Jester45i cant turn off any channel08:24
Jester45but im glad it just works08:24
Jester45when i first went from windows to linux i had a modem/sound card frankenstein08:25
T`did you select the right card when you using the mixer?08:25
T`and does it work with alsamixer?08:25
Jester45yea and no08:25
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Jester45i only have 1 card08:25
Jester45and alsamixer didnt help08:26
T`hmm strange08:27
T`what does it say?08:27
Jester45does nt say anything08:28
Jester45it thinks it worked08:28
T`so you change vol and it shows that vol08:29
T`but your sound still stays the same?08:29
Jester45if u change it from 0 to 10008:29
T`what about 0 to 25?08:29
Jester45the sound stays the same08:29
Jester45or 50 to 0 is the same08:29
Jester45and when i restart and look the volume is the same as i set it08:30
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silent_ok Jester45, I'm in live on Gaim08:32
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Jester45did you try dragging the icon?08:32
silent_doing it now08:32
silent_no partitions shown08:33
Jester45so you ran it as root?08:34
Jester45i dont know them08:37
silent_ugh, I've done this before, that's what's so annoying08:37
silent_I actually have an edgy installation on it, but I want a fresh install08:38
silent_I'll try the alternate cd again08:39
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silent_Jester45, I tried the alternative cd in OEM and text mode. Same thing. I was able to alt out to another shell and I could see the partitions with fdisk -l... I'm about ready to give up08:59
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silent_hmm, apparently this is a somewhat common problem09:08
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octoberdansilent_: I'd suggest posting on the Forums09:34
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Eagle_101anyone have a clue on what is the minimum amount of harddrive space you need for xubuntu (all I see the the minumum RAM)09:44
TheSheepEagle_101: about 1.5-2 GB09:45
TheSheepEagle_101: depends on what you install09:45
hyper_chsilent_: can you pastebin the results of sudo fdisk -l ?09:46
hyper_chEagle_101: but I would give it a bit more than just 2gb09:47
TheSheepespecially if you plan on upgrading via natwork09:48
Eagle_101yeah I'm sure, I'm trying to help someone who wants to install this09:49
Eagle_101needed a barebones minimum ;)09:49
Eagle_101thanks folks :D09:50
hyper_chTheSheep: do you know why X uses like 30% cpu?09:52
Eagle_101it should not09:54
Eagle_101(at least not on gentoo)09:55
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hyper_chI know it shouldn't but sometimes it does for no reason09:56
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Catoptromancytheres a reason10:05
Catoptromancyuse process manager to see exactly what program is doing it10:06
CatoptromancyI have a CPU graph on my panel, in case I dont hear my PC humming10:06
hyper_chCatoptromancy: I'm uploading a screenshot10:08
Catoptromancyohh X in the process manager is 30%?10:09
hyper_chCatoptromancy: http://www.roleplayer.org/x.png10:09
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Catoptromancyforgot what command did that10:10
Catoptromancymem something10:10
Catoptromancybash command to list processes?10:11
hyper_chor rather htop on that screenshot10:11
CatoptromancyI had shell that did a few at once10:11
Catoptromancycool I used a different command10:12
Catoptromancyfor something similar10:12
Catoptromancyhtop isnt installed but top works10:12
hyper_chCatoptromancy: did you have a look at the screenshot?10:12
Catoptromancyim looking10:13
hyper_chSysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running Xfce 4.4.0, CPU: AMD Sempron 2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), HD: 297/897GB, RAM: 996/1010MB, 163 proc's, 2.14d up10:14
Catoptromancywhat program did you start rgiht before cpu graph went red?10:17
Catoptromancywhen did you upgrade xfce?10:19
Catoptromancyim using 4.010:19
hyper_chusing feisty10:19
hyper_chhence 4.410:20
Catoptromancyhmm I should have 4.4 then10:20
crdlb !version10:21
ubotuTo find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell10:21
CatoptromancyNo LSB modules are available.10:22
hyper_chanyway, gotta go to universe10:23
Catoptromancywell im clueless10:23
hyper_chuniversity I mean10:23
hyper_chwell, it just happens somteims and I still didn't figure out why and when10:23
crdlbCatoptromancy, are you sure you have xfce 4.0?10:24
CatoptromancyRelease 4.010:25
Catoptromancyin sysinfo10:25
crdlbok that's feisty10:25
crdlbdpkg -l|grep xfce410:26
crdlbor maybe: apt-cache policy xfce410:26
Catoptromancy  Candidate:
Catoptromancy  Version table:10:27
Catoptromancy 010:27
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Catoptromancy4.3.99 is pretty close to 4.410:27
crdlbyep that's right10:28
crdlb !info xfce4 feisty10:28
ubotuxfce4: meta-package for xfce4 dependencies. In component universe, is optional. Version (feisty), package size 4 kB, installed size 48 kB10:28
sigmamu188Pumpernickel: finally got it10:28
sigmamu188ended up having to create a group10:28
Catoptromancyaptitude update xfce4 ?10:28
sigmamu188and write some scripts10:28
sigmamu188first time i have ever writen a script for my os10:29
crdlbCatoptromancy, I'm pretty sure you're ok10:29
sigmamu188i thik im totally in love with linux now10:29
Catoptromancywow heh, I just ran update manager10:29
Catoptromancyim totally behind10:30
Catoptromancythink i did it last week10:30
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`s`how do you look what arch you are on up on windows?10:58
predaeuswhat arch?11:01
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kalikiana_`s`, I believe it's right-click on My Computer and select Properties.. somewhere in there.11:07
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`s`kalikiana_, yeah same problem here O.o11:09
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`s`sigmamu188, archtype11:54
`s`i386 , i686 etc11:55
sigmamu188<`s`> sigmamu188, archtype11:55
sigmamu188<`s`> i386 , i686 etc11:55
sigmamu188what is that?11:55
sigmamu188the dog was laying on the keyboard11:55
`s`its the type of system architecture11:56
`s`you heard of the 64 bit computers?11:56
sigmamu188how do you see that?11:56
`s`no clue in windows11:56
`s`just run lspci to get it in linux if I'm right11:56
sigmamu188im not sure how to decifer all that data11:57
`s`heh :)11:58
predaeuson linux you can also run  "file program" on a system binary to get a hint11:58
sigmamu188what dose that data mean s's11:58
predaeuslike "file ls"11:59
`s`its the differt sort of devices you have on your computer11:59
sigmamu188that makes sense11:59
`s`05:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)11:59
`s`thats my wireless controller11:59
`s`sigmamu188, don't mind me I'm on gentoo linux >.>11:59
sigmamu188and the 05.02.0 is the address12:00
`s`you don't even see this stuff on xubuntu12:00
sigmamu188in the buss12:00
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sigmamu188on the buss12:00
sigmamu188i dont know how to say what i mean12:01
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sigmamu188is that the card address12:03
ubotuOther !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)12:03
sigmamu188`s`:  whats the perks of that12:04
`s`sigmamu188, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_linux12:05
`s`sigmamu188, you don't want to use it unless you are interested in the setup12:05
`s`it took me 2 days to correctly configure it and get a GUI up12:05
sigmamu188so why are you in a xubuntu chatroom12:06
`s`sigmamu188, I used to have xubuntu :)12:06
`s`and I'm helping someone set it up12:07
sigmamu188thats cool12:07
sigmamu188i just tonight wrote my first linux script12:07
sigmamu188i  was making my log out easier12:08
sigmamu188it was a pain in the ass12:08
sigmamu188i had to edit visudo12:08
`s`so what text editor did you use :P12:09
sigmamu188im just now hitting 3 monts of solid linux use12:09
`s`to write a script!12:09
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sigmamu188what should i use12:09
`s`no line numbers12:09
`s`sigmamu188, I won't tell you12:09
sigmamu188it was a super simple script12:09
sigmamu188fair enough12:09
`s`why, because everyone has their own ideas12:09
sigmamu188im used to c++ i did that a few years back12:10
`s`I could say use vim, which is what I use, but you  might find emacs, kate, or any number of other text editors better12:10
sigmamu188i just needed a simple script though12:10
sigmamu188my next project is to setup a DNS and network with all my computers on linux and have roaming profiles12:13
sigmamu188baby steps for now12:13
sigmamu188night guys12:18
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MrChello dear fellows12:57
MrCanyone in here?01:00
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RamlaWe're all somewhat here01:34
RamlaBut you aren't..01:34
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pastornhow do i change the gamma settings of one monitor but not the other01:59
pastornthe gamma line i xorg.conf doesn't help :/01:59
pastorni'm using a dual head GF7600 GS card with the glx driver01:59
hyper_chpastorn: did you restart x after having altered xorg.conf?01:59
pastornhehe.. yes?02:01
pastornSection "Monitor"02:01
pastornDisplaySize4000 300002:01
pastornthat does nothing for me...02:02
hyper_chpastorn: did you restart x after having altered xorg.conf?02:08
pastornyes, of course02:08
pastornanyone here knows how to use xgamma?02:12
pastornwith dual view02:12
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kumamotopastorn: have u messed up your gamma settings02:36
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pastornno, i have two monitors and one is borken02:39
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kumamotopastorn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22568/02:41
kumamotodon't know if that is going to help02:42
Deviadcan anyone pls tell me how not to get this error: configure: error: cannot find QuickTime headers03:08
Deviad ?03:08
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats03:17
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gl_hi, can somebody tell me if when running a xubuntu install and a router (linksys) also is necessary to run a firewall?03:27
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ZenDJiNNIt's not really necessary no.03:33
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Merchelowin mov 703:40
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Deviadhey, is there any place to set -j permanently for compiling with gcc?03:59
Deviadit doesn't use the 2 cores for compiling but just one by default03:59
Deviadhow can I fix this?03:59
CatoptromancyI think for one process , it will only use 1 core04:02
CatoptromancyI been flat lining cpu meter at 50% for an hour04:02
Deviadin gentoo if you set -j 3 or 4 it uses the two cores04:03
Deviadso since that's a gcc option... I'm wondering where to put it in ubuntu04:03
CatoptromancyWell if you do one thing at a time it would be useful04:03
CatoptromancyIm guessing in the make file04:03
Deviadwhere is it located?04:03
Catoptromancyor maybe make -j04:04
Catoptromancywhere all make files are04:04
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JJNova'ello fellow xubuntu users!04:52
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Jester45anyone know the name of the firefox alternative? its lighter weight05:00
JJNovaDoes anyone know how to eleminate the items from the launcher that have already been deleted?05:00
Jester45they should auto remove05:00
Jester45o do you mean05:01
Jester45the panel applets? right click and remove05:01
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JJNovaNo no05:01
JJNovaI mean, Under Applications I have a section called "Other"05:02
JJNovaand it's got launchers to applications that aren't there05:02
JJNovaSpecifically, Applications that were ran with WINE, but WINE has since been removed as I only used it to test some programs05:02
CatoptromancyI totally hate that05:07
Catoptromancythere are file named .desktop05:08
Catoptromancyat bottom of .desktop for item you want gone05:09
Catoptromancywell not displayed05:09
Catoptromancyhorribly annoying05:09
CatoptromancyI had to do that to each wine menu, since I only run wine for terminal05:09
JJNovaI'm not seeing .desktop05:10
Catoptromancysudo mousepad filename.desktop05:12
JJNovaheh. The items I want removed aren't listed.05:13
JJNovaThat's just great.05:13
Catoptromancywe got same problem05:19
Catoptromancywine decides to make shortcuts05:19
Catoptromancyeven though every program I ever ran with wine I used terminal with my own custom shells05:19
JJNovaI don't use custom shells, but I launch the installers and programs form Terminal05:19
JJNovaAnd that's what I have, is that screenshot05:19
darrendanyone know why I might get the folowing output from e2fsck on an unmounted partition..?05:20
darrende2fsck: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda105:20
darrendFilesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program?05:20
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darrendhow do I tell what's using it?05:20
CatoptromancyJJNova, seems we have a problem with Window Manager, I have no idea where it is.05:21
JJNovaX ?05:21
CatoptromancyWM he called it05:21
Catoptromancyhe knows about it , but wont even say where it is05:22
Catoptromancyor what is does...05:22
JJNovaYeah, but he didn't seem like he wanted to be too friendly with you. >.<05:22
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redmonkeyis there a way to minimize certain programs (like audacious) to the systray?05:36
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topcat1027hi, can somebody help me? i just finished downloading automatix and when i try to open it says "error, synaptic is running, please close synaptic and restart automatix"05:41
topcat1027only i dont know what synaptic is or how to close it05:41
redmonkeytopcat1027: synaptic is a package manager05:42
ubotuAutomatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe05:43
topcat1027oh ok05:44
topcat1027well how do install the flash and java updates for firefox05:44
topcat1027because on regular ubuntu i think i just used automatix05:44
ubotuTo install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash05:46
ubotuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre05:46
Jester45:) bots are good05:47
topcat1027i was about to ask if that was a bot, haha05:47
topcat1027so if i type in exlamation then something05:47
topcat1027the bot will tell me whats up?05:47
Jester45it will try05:47
topcat1027cool, thanks05:47
crdlband you can test it in /msg05:47
JJNova!delete empty laucnhers that wine left behind when uninstalling programs05:48
JJNovaIt was worth a shot.05:48
topcat1027ya rly05:48
Catoptromancyim googling up nothing for it05:48
ubotuGoogle is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux05:48
JJNovaI used desktop search to hopefully find a reference to one of the files05:49
CatoptromancyI spent more time removing crap from wine than installing and getting to work right05:49
JJNovaNo luck on my end05:49
CatoptromancyIn the same "other" menu I also winecfg, winenotepad05:49
Catoptromancywineminesweeper a few other useless program I would never use anyway05:50
Catoptromancybut the .desktop trick worked05:50
Catoptromancybut took so very long for something trivial05:50
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JJNovaI'll navigate back in there, but I'm positive none of my leftovers were located there05:52
JJNovaYeah, no such luck05:53
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JJNovaHeh. Go figure. The one time the right-click 'properties' feature of Microsoft Windows would od been handy.05:55
Catoptromancythere is some cfg file somewhere05:56
Catoptromancyfor Xfce05:56
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JJNovaI give up07:11
JJNovaAt least until the problem begins to annoy me more than the solution agian07:12
hyper_chJJNova: what problem?07:12
Catoptromancyya i let ine go for a week07:12
Catoptromancylet mine07:12
JJNovahyper_ch:  Removing some left over launchers after the software is removed.07:13
JJNovahttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/jjnova/app_other.png   <-- See image.07:13
Catoptromancyinstall a program with wine, it makes menu, remove program, broken menu still there07:13
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Catoptromancysomeone in #winehq said it was the Window Manager07:13
JJNovaHello loswillios07:14
hyper_chyes, it's the xfce menu07:14
Catoptromancyive looked everywhere on how to fix that07:15
Catoptromancymaybe I should post a bug report on wine site about Xfce07:16
JJNovaCouldn't hurt.07:16
Catoptromancyor maybe the bug is Xfce07:16
loswilliosUh i just got this numlockx thing to work07:16
JJNovaEither way, I can't find any reference to them in the filesystem, although I'm sure it's there07:17
loswilliosalthough I reckon it's not the best way to put it in .bashrc07:17
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JJNovaI just hit the Num Lock key....07:17
loswilliosJJNova: well, I do not. :)07:18
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 50784 in wine "wine destroys xfce-menu" [Undecided,Needs info] 07:20
JJNovaCatoptromancy:  Are you going to expand on that report ?07:21
CatoptromancyI guess07:21
Catoptromancya bit busy right now07:21
Catoptromancysometime today07:21
JJNova<3 or whatever the cool kids are doing today to say, "Thanks"07:24
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CatoptromancyThat seems more like A wine bug I think07:27
CatoptromancyA way around this mess, is to install in windows and just copy the files directly over07:29
Catoptromancyno setup.exe or install07:29
Catoptromancyswap files07:29
JJNovaI suppose, if I wanted a dual boot system.07:31
JJNovaLooks like I might just be doing that though07:31
JJNovaof course, then I might as well run the program in windows07:31
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CatoptromancyI duel boot mostly cause wine doesnt work on a few programs I need07:31
JJNovaI'm looking to do Dual boot just to stream video on a website, and using FLV since Ogg Theora's only option is Cortado, and it's not very useful.07:33
JJNovaAnd I'm much faster in Paintshop Pro than I am in GIMP, but that's just a matter of familiarizing myself with some software I haven't been using for years.07:34
Jester45or use adobe photoshop its fun and CS3 is kinda new07:34
JJNovaI've used Photoshop, but I have the same issues with it that I have with the GIMP.... I'm just not familiar with it's layout.07:35
Jester45i like photoshops over the gimp07:36
Jester45i think becuase the gimp has diffrent windows07:36
JJNovaBeen using Paintshop Pro for so long, it's similar to when a long time MS Windows user complains about Ubuntu complexity, when in actuality, things are just done slightly different. (Synaptic, Add/Remove, etc.)07:36
Jester45it gets con fusing07:36
JJNovaYeah, there's a version of GIMP that puts it all in a container and makes the layout mimic Photoshop07:37
JJNovaWhich is great if you are trying to make that switch.07:37
Jester45i dont so much in them i just play around with photos or as school when im bored i try to make icons or copy peoples and change them07:38
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JJNovaheh. Photoshop the girl next to you onto a body of Keira Knightley... I ujnderstand07:39
Jester45im having 2 problems that i cant seem to figure out why they are happening07:39
CatoptromancyJJNova, gimpshop, skins the gimp too look and similar menus to photoshop07:39
Catoptromancyoh heh07:40
Catoptromancydidnt read up07:40
Jester451) i cant copy a dvd to iso it give me a I/O error and 2) alsa has no control over my sound card :( vol+/- doesnt do anything07:40
Catoptromancywhat kind of DVD?07:41
Jester45i dont want to watch it just copy it07:41
Catoptromancywhat software?07:41
Jester45diffrent ones i would like a cli one07:42
Catoptromancyk3b tell me exactly what the error is07:42
hyper_chJester45: can't "dd" make an iso?07:42
Catoptromancy"encrypted DVD" cant copy07:42
Jester45i have a machine that is headless i have 5 dvd drives on it and i have been using it to burn disc but i did a fresh instal and lost my script to so it07:42
Catoptromancyinstead of just an vague error07:43
Catoptromancydunno about that then07:43
Jester45so a simple ssh in would be nice07:43
Jester45could it be that i dont have libdvdcss07:44
JJNova5 copies at a time? Wow. Let me get one.07:45
Jester45i saw on a website a 13 dvd drive tower it had 1 button on it to copy from the top drive to the other 12 at the same time07:47
Jester45load it up, press button, wait a bit, done07:47
hyper_chJJNova: here it's legal to give copies to family members and close friends07:48
Catoptromancywheres here?07:48
hyper_chCatoptromancy: CH07:48
hyper_chyes, in CH07:49
Jester45hehe "close friends" could mean people you kinda sorta never met in person07:49
Jester45what it stand for07:49
loswilliosis there a small browser for xubuntu available that can store passwords?07:49
loswilliosfirefox is too bloated for this system :/07:49
hyper_chJester45: no, you  have to konw this people to a certain degree... but it doesn't require to have met those07:49
hyper_chCH --> Confoederatio Helvetica07:49
Jester45and where is that07:50
hyper_chloswillios: how about Opera?07:50
Jester45south america?07:50
hyper_chJester45: hmmm, you are smart, you can find out if you reall want to know07:50
loswillioshyper_ch: uhm07:50
Jester45i could... but im to lazy07:50
hyper_chthen there is a challenge... what is bigger? the curiosity or the laziness?07:51
Jester45so... anyone know hwo to kill a zombie process?07:51
j1mchyper_ch: how's the weather in switzerland?  :)07:51
hyper_chJester45: rebooting07:51
loswillioshyper_ch: i thought more of open-source software07:51
Jester45my laziness is way bigger than anything else i got :)07:52
hyper_chloswillios: well, mozilla browser isn't in the repos anymore in feisty...07:52
loswillioshyper_ch: how so?07:52
hyper_chj1mc: quite good actually... just a bit too hot07:52
hyper_chloswillios: because it's not anymore included07:52
loswillioshyper_ch: and which is the default now?07:53
hyper_chfirefox 207:53
loswilliosthat's too bloated, I already told you07:53
hyper_chthen get one without password manager07:54
Jester45firefox 307:54
hyper_chportable firefox?07:54
loswilliosI was more thinking of galeon / epiphany07:54
loswilliosbut I don't know if they can store passwords07:55
JJNovaTHere are lightweight versions of Opera07:55
hyper_chloswillios: download and thest them07:55
Jester45OOOO... i know its dillo + piece of paper07:55
Jester45o and a pen07:55
JJNovaOr use a text browser, unless that's not an option for you either.07:56
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spaceraverhi, got a bit of a problem here07:58
JJNovaWhat is it ?07:58
spaceraveri have 3 harddrives, 1 ide and 2 sata..07:58
hyper_chhaving 3 harddrives is not a problem :)07:59
hyper_chI have 4 :)07:59
hyper_ch(and a 5th for which I havne't space left)07:59
JJNovaI can't hook up more than three.08:00
Jester45gigabit network storage it hyper_ch08:00
JJNovaAlthough, this month xubuntu stopped recognizing 3 of them. :'(08:00
hyper_chJester45: it's only a 60gb drive08:00
spaceraverwhen installing i have chosen to use a seperate /boot and it's residing on the same hdd as i want to install xubuntu on.. partitions are as follows: sda is an Ide drive and has seperate /, /boot and /home partitions plus 2 gb swap08:01
spaceraverthat leaves sdb and sdc which are ntfs..08:02
spaceraverin the end of the installer i can click advanced and set where the boot loader should be.. but that says hd0 and not sda08:03
hyper_chhem... isn't it hdX and sdX in feisty? you say ide and sata are all sdX08:03
spaceraverthat what is listed as..08:03
Jester45the ide should be hdX08:03
spaceraverwhich is why i cant get my head around to why is says sdX08:04
Jester45are you using the live cd08:04
spaceraverthe first thing i did when i got to the desktop was unmounting everything08:05
Jester45does anyone agree with me that the live cd installer has a lot of bugs?08:05
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spaceraverbut that is just as far as correct labels08:06
hyper_chwell, I tend to say feisty has still some issues with hdX/sdX08:06
Jester45there have been a lot of other things wrong with it08:06
hyper_chwell, I noticed that problem first with herd 3... luckily TheSheep helped me then08:07
spaceravertry getting gentto installed.. that is a pita without ending08:08
Jester45i used to ask TheSheep a lot of questions, i think he hates me now08:08
spaceravergot sick of compiling it after the 5th time it refused08:09
hyper_chI also bugged him and then always this offtopic talks initiated by me in here... amazingly I ahven't been banned yet from the channel08:09
Jester45i have been 2 times08:09
hyper_chwhat did you do?08:09
Jester45thats a long story08:09
hyper_chJester45: I think you've helped me also a few times08:09
spaceraveri have been banned a month fron #ubuntu08:09
hyper_chwell, you can start with it :)08:09
hyper_chI've never been in #ubuntu08:10
hyper_chI get banned on a regular base from #php08:10
Jester45well... i will take it to #xubuntu-offtopic08:10
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spaceraverexplicit language on freenode is apparently a nono08:10
hyper_chwhat's explicit language?08:11
JJNovaI was kicked form Ubuntu08:11
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JJNovaBecause I guess a comment I made could of been taken as "attacking" or "offensive". Although I helped some 20 odd people in the hour previous.08:12
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Zvezdichkohello there08:36
ZvezdichkoI've just installed Feisty and it's my first try of Xubuntu08:37
Jester45you like it?08:37
Zvezdichkobut I wonder whether it will be possible to install kde as a second desktop08:38
hyper_chZvezdichko: yes08:38
hyper_chopen a terminal and enter this:08:38
hyper_chZvezdichko: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop  ---> that will download  a few hunder megabytes of data08:38
hyper_chZvezdichko: and make sure, you don't replace gdm with kdm... you will be asked if you want to use kdm... say no there08:39
Zvezdichkoyes, I know this but will this keep the Xfce?08:39
Jester45yes i will08:39
Jester45you have a session to choose when you log in ether xfce or kde08:39
JJNovaYeah, when you log in, click on SESSION and you can choose which desktop environment to log in as08:39
Zvezdichkogreat... but later, I have to find some other stuff... for example skype binaries for ubuntu:)08:40
JJNovaSkypeis the devil.08:40
JJNovaI mean, cool.08:40
Zvezdichkodownloading with average 50 kb/sec will make a whole night download for kde08:40
hyper_chtoo bad it's not an open protocol08:40
ubotuTo install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto08:40
Zvezdichkoi wonder why this is not in multiverse...08:41
hyper_chZvezdichko: because it's closed source08:41
Zvezdichkoisn't multiverse supposed to be for closed source projects08:42
hyper_chZvezdichko: not sure... well, maybe skype objected to have it included in outside repos08:42
Zvezdichkoit's strange because debian for example has skype binaries08:43
JJNovaIt's because in recent hours, it has been universally decided that Skype is evil. ;)08:44
Zvezdichkohahahahah lol08:44
hyper_chskype is evil08:44
ZvezdichkoI don't know . My girlfriend wants to talk via skype :)08:45
Zvezdichkobut what's the evil with skype? ;)08:45
hyper_chZvezdichko: you don't know what's happening... it's a closed protocoll08:45
JJNovaYOu could use SIP08:46
Zvezdichkoisn't mp3 also a closed protocol? there are some distros ( including earliest versions of ubuntu ) that refused to include mp3 support08:46
hyper_chmp3 isn't closed but patented08:46
Zvezdichkoheh, there was an article in linux-bg that the open source violates one hundred patent rules08:48
hyper_chZvezdichko: just claims by M$08:48
hyper_chZvezdichko: without any proof08:48
hyper_chZvezdichko: if M$ would tell what could be infringing the code would be quickly altered08:49
hyper_chZvezdichko: it's just scare tactics08:49
Zvezdichkoprobably yes... I personally predict that Vista will be failure08:49
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Zvezdichkothere are a lot of old computers ( like mine )08:49
Zvezdichkoso what? next year I won't have support for XP? ( I have a legal copy! )08:50
hyper_chwell, it might even well be, that M$ infringes those patents.... Unix has been around much longer and linux is based on unix... hence it might be that M$ infringes on uni08:50
hyper_chZvezdichko: no, M$ anounced to prolong support for XP08:50
Zvezdichkothat's great. this doesn't mean that I love the updates, patches and so on08:52
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Zvezdichkopatches means updating some basic windows software. What about the other software like firefox?08:52
Zvezdichkomanual update for each packet is painful08:52
hyper_chanother reason for not using windows08:53
Zvezdichkothere's ONE thing that prevents me from deleting windows08:54
Zvezdichkoit's DirectX08:54
Zvezdichkoas for Linux, years ago I had slackware on my oldest box and it worked very fine08:54
hyper_chonly needed for gaming08:54
Zvezdichkonew Linuxes however are getting heavier08:55
ZvezdichkoI was unable, for example, to install xubuntu with the desktop cs08:55
Zvezdichko192 MB ram- that's the minumum, I have it, but the installation crashed08:55
silent_you can install fluxbox08:56
silent_but then again, that wouldn't really be xubuntu anymore ;P08:56
Zvezdichkois there fluxbuntu at all?08:57
Zvezdichkohey, I installed feisty because I wanted to try KDE 408:57
silent_oh. no way08:57
Zvezdichkowith these 192 ram :)08:57
Jester45xfce4 you me08:57
silent_nice find Catop :P08:57
JJNovaThere's an unofficial Fluxbuntu08:57
silent_fluxbox will get better over time08:58
Catoptromancyno stable release yet08:58
Jester45there is an evilubuntu08:58
JJNovaYeah, the fiery colors and stuff. I saw that for Edgy08:58
Zvezdichkomay I try to make a distro All-in-one-Desktop-Ubuntu?08:58
Jester45no it just looks cool08:58
hyper_chZvezdichko: ???08:59
silent_Zvezdichko, that is unecessary, its all too easy to install new wms08:59
CatoptromancyProbably already is an allinone ubuntu08:59
Jester45well im off to watch a movie08:59
Catoptromancyover 50 ubuntu distros08:59
ZvezdichkoI remember the good old ... fvwm 9509:00
silent_anyone here know when creative is going to release xfi drivers?09:00
Jester45there is i will tell you how ot get it09:00
ZvezdichkoIt looked like Windows 95... damn it :)09:00
JJNovaYou guys call them Managers, and I call them Environments. Are we talking about the same things ?09:00
Jester451) install ubuntu 2) open a terminal 3) run sudo apt-get install *09:00
Zvezdichkowell, the environment is manager+additional software09:01
hyper_chor aptitude instead of apt-get if you want to install different flavouirs09:01
silent_Zvezdichko, I still have to keep a winbloze partition active for gaming, until either Wine gets a little better, cadega becomes freeware, or ReactOS progresses a lot.09:01
Zvezdichkothe manager is what makes your windows moving around, minimizing, etc09:01
JJNovaYou know, there is an alternative to Linux, Vista, and Mac for those that want to upgrade from XP. There's also Longhorn09:01
Jester45JJNova: a window manager is just the border of the windows and where they are placed a Enviroment is the manager and other software09:01
ZvezdichkoI've tried to run Xfree86 without window manager, pretty cool09:01
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silent_Longhorn is vista09:01
Zvezdichkoso you don't need window manager to use X09:02
JJNovaActually, Longhorn was abandoned for Vista09:02
Jester45i cant wait for ReactOS to be stable09:02
Zvezdichkosilent_, why don't you just get cedega?09:02
silent_Jester45, yea, it shows a lot of promise09:02
silent_I'm a cheap bastard09:02
Jester45be a Pirate :)09:02
JJNovaYO HO !09:02
ZvezdichkoI've tried ReactOS too, but I think it's a dead end for the software developers09:02
silent_I try to minimize my pirating :P09:02
CatrikWhy do I need to select "Allow Xfce to manage desktop" from Desktop Settong every time I log in?09:03
Jester45if it ever becomes stable i think it will pass up many other oses09:03
silent_JJNova, my appologies, does the OS work?09:03
CatrikI mean it's not allowed when I log in. Can Beryl have something to do with it?09:03
JJNovaI haven't tried it myself. The claims are that it does.09:03
silent_full compatibility?09:04
silent_drivers etc?09:04
Zvezdichkohehe... I like when I open a torrent page and read this: using bittorent is legal, download copyrighted software is not.09:04
Zvezdichkobut you are able to find anything09:04
silent_its all just "file sharing"09:04
silent_depends what files you're sharing09:04
Zvezdichkoas for vista, there is Vista Lite for old machines09:04
silent_dont want to pay for it09:04
Jester45vista doesnt go with old in any way09:05
silent_it can09:05
silent_depends how old09:05
JJNovaMy system is pretty old09:05
silent_maybe I have a differend definition of old09:05
JJNovaIf you consider the normal life cycle that is09:05
Jester45under 1ghz is getting old for me09:05
JJNovaOh. Then my system is no where near old09:06
Zvezdichkois xfce your default manager you guys?09:06
Jester45beryl here09:06
silent_Just built this rig a few months ago... C2D E6300 @ 2.8ghz, 2gb ocz, 8800 GTS09:06
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Zvezdichkoberyl... i'd liek to try this one09:07
Zvezdichkoas for xfce I see it ( my first try ) as a gnome copy09:07
JJNovaI have an AMD Athlon XP 2ghz 2400+09:07
ZvezdichkoGTK+ based, that's ok, integration with gnome software...09:07
silent_and very soon I'll be installing base debian on it then adding packages, trying wms, see what I like09:07
CatrikIntel P4  1500 :)09:07
silent_the athlon xp series was amazing in its time09:08
Zvezdichkosilent_, I think KDE is the best... no concurence here09:08
silent_I'll be trying all of them, but I find KDE to be a bit too flashy for me09:08
JJNovaThis Athlon XP has served me very well so far.09:08
GrueTamersilent_: if you want to get down and dirty with wm's, try wmii, if you can try something different, you may like it09:08
GrueTamerbut i also recommend fluxbox and icewm09:08
silent_they're beautiful processors, i have 3 different machines with cpus from 1700+ - 2000+ xps running beautifully09:09
Zvezdichkohardcore linux fans still hate KDE because the QT libraries were not open source in the beginning09:09
GrueTamerand then xfce, and then gnome (the lighter the better for me)09:09
Zvezdichkoif you remember, Debian didn't include KDE for that reason09:09
silent_yea, i've been looking into it a bit09:09
Zvezdichkobut this was long ago... :)09:10
silent_I've used gnome before so I'll use it for now, just to get familiarized again, then move on to try kde, icewm and flux, maybe evilwm too09:10
spaceraverdesktop version of feisty: unable to install GRUB..09:10
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Jester45its no good09:10
silent_space, I installed it yesterday09:10
Jester45its a 1 pixel border and thats it09:10
spaceraverim havning a problem with it09:10
GrueTamerJester45: its all about preferences09:11
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silent_root (hdfoo,foo)09:11
GrueTamersome people like those borders09:11
silent_setup (hdfoo)09:11
ZvezdichkoDoes xubuntu offer the option to install LILO ( for old linux users like me )09:11
silent_just use grub09:11
silent_imo lilo is dying09:11
JJNovaI thought LILO was ded09:11
GrueTamerZvezdichko: you can do it manually09:11
silent_hwo the hell did they get the longhorn source?09:12
GrueTamerZvezdichko: if you want to know how to install lilo manually, tell me, so i can get some instructions09:13
spaceraverand pastebin does not work09:13
Zvezdichkowell, I think I won't do it for now unless I try to reinstall windows ...09:13
JJNovasilent_:  They got the Longhorn from the developers showcasing of Longhorn09:13
CatrikXFCE is just killing me.09:13
Zvezdichkothen I won't know how to reinstall grub so I'll replace the default loader with lilo09:13
silent_they got the source?09:14
silent_or just the files09:14
JJNovaI guess so09:14
JJNovaI don't know.09:14
JJNovaI don't work on the project09:14
JJNovaI justknow of it09:14
GrueTamerZvezdichko: reinstalling grub isnt that hard09:14
CatrikThose Home. Trash ect on Desktop just randomly are or are not in there!!09:14
Zvezdichkothe configuration file looks very evil09:14
silent_if they have the source, it will definitely pull ahead of reactos, but there might be legal issues09:14
GrueTamerZvezdichko: for grub or for lilo?09:14
Zvezdichkofor grub09:14
GrueTamerits really not that complicated if you get down and dirty with it, but manual configuration is hard to do unless youre used to it09:15
Zvezdichkolinux was dead for me for a long time... :)09:15
silent_grub || root (hdx,x) || setup (hdx)09:15
Zvezdichkohdx,x is supposed to be /dev/hda1 ?09:15
GrueTamerhdx,x is supposed to be your drive, then partition09:16
silent_that'd be (hd0,0)09:16
GrueTamerREMEMBER grub starts at 0 and not 109:16
JJNovaI used to be a Mandrake user, and then a SuSe user.... ubuntu has shown me the light though.09:16
ZvezdichkoUbuntu? Light thought?09:16
Zvezdichkoit's debian based and debian is hard...09:17
silent_I'm not actually installing ubuntu, I'll be installing base debian and working from there since I'm more familiar with command line09:17
GrueTamerubuntu isnt hard unless you want it to be hard09:17
Zvezdichkoit was very hard on some machines with unusual hardware09:17
spaceraveris it okay to paste my lsdisk here since pastebin wont work??09:17
spaceraverthen how??09:18
silent_http://pastebin.ca/ that one works09:18
Zvezdichkofor example It didn't recognise the video ( the card was 3 months old and no driver was available )09:18
silent_find a different one09:18
ZvezdichkoVESA didn't work and that was strange09:18
GrueTamerwell, nothings perfect09:18
GrueTamerbut ubuntus easier than most distros09:18
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Zvezdichkomy video is ... Voodoo Banshee ( old enough ) and tdfx doesn't work fine. Luckily, VESA is fine09:19
silent_a Voodoo card??09:19
silent_that's an antique09:19
tuga3dhi all!09:19
silent_eyyy tuga09:19
spaceraverhttp://pastebin.ca/512167 this is my output.. and sda should be an ide drive and thus hda09:20
GrueTamerspaceraver: feisty has libata in the kernel, i think, it made it sda09:20
ZvezdichkoI know...09:20
tuga3ddoes anybody as the amedyn driver working on the 7.04?09:20
spaceraverbut that stops my grub install09:20
silent_space, where is grub installed?09:20
ZvezdichkoGrueTamer, there isn't a difficult distro IMO09:20
Zvezdichkoexcept... Gentoo09:21
spaceraverit fails in the desktop installer09:21
spaceraveradvanced says hd009:21
silent_do you have a system running?09:21
GrueTamerspaceraver: install grub manually09:21
silent_I only ever install grub manually09:21
GrueTamerZvezdichko: slackware is hard depending on who you ask09:21
spaceravereverything else should be there then??09:21
silent_spaceraver, where is your linux os.. sdx?09:21
ZvezdichkoSlackware? At least there there weren't a lot of problems with software packages09:22
Zvezdichkono dependencies viewed as a problem means simple install however09:22
spaceraverseperate /boot is sda1, / is sda2, /home is sda3 and sda4 is swap09:22
silent_there shouldnt be a partition for boot09:23
spaceraveri really want it to be so if it's okay with you guys09:23
silent_it wont work like that09:23
GrueTameritll work09:23
silent_grub needs to access files in /boot/grub09:23
silent_under /09:23
GrueTameritll be harder to make it work, but it will work09:23
spaceraverso why can i specify it as /boot under partitions??09:24
GrueTameritll work09:24
silent_it should09:24
GrueTamerit might take more time to MAKE it work, but it will work09:24
silent_use manual install though09:24
spaceraverso sudo grub-install09:25
silent_not exactly09:25
GrueTamerthe boot partition probably is messing up the automatic installer09:25
silent_grub should be in the system already09:25
spaceraverenlighten me09:25
silent_type grub09:25
silent_it will give you a cli to the tool09:25
silent_get grub> ?09:25
silent_sda1 is your boot?09:26
GrueTamergrub-install is the same thing as going into the grub cli and doing the install command09:26
spaceraverif im not saying anything within 30 secs just continue..09:26
GrueTamerit just doesnt give you as much freedom as the grub cli does, with its other commands09:26
silent_is /dev/sda1 your /boot/ partition?09:26
spaceraverim firing up gparted09:27
silent_in the grub> cli type "root (hd0,0)"09:27
silent_then "setup (hd0)"09:27
Zvezdichkoskype is already downloadded here09:29
Zvezdichkoslow internet connection huh09:29
spaceraversays selected disc does not exist09:29
silent_are you running grub as root?09:30
silent_quit out and sudo09:30
Zvezdichkomaybe it's another option for SCSI disks ( correct me if I'm wrong )09:30
silent_nah, I use a sata drive... same thing09:30
silent_sudo grub?09:31
spaceravermix between sata and ide09:31
silent_try again09:31
spaceraversudo grub gives me grub>09:31
silent_root (hd0,0)09:31
silent_setup (hd0)09:31
silent_great success?09:31
spaceraverError 15: file not found09:31
silent_.. ugh09:32
silent_just forget that first partition09:32
silent_you don't need it anyway09:32
silent_sudo grub09:32
silent_root (hd0,1)09:32
silent_setup (hd0)09:32
silent_it will install to /boot/ on sda209:33
spaceraverill reformat to a different partition the09:34
spaceraverhang on09:34
silent_dont bother, you wasted practically no space09:34
silent_and you can always lvm it onto something else09:34
spaceraveri know... but 50 mb is 50 mb09:34
silent_alright, reformat and reinstall if you want09:35
spaceravergetting to partitions09:35
Zvezdichkoit was a strange problem for him...09:35
silent_I have to go soon so be fast, I'm going to be installing debian, wiping my hdd clean09:35
spaceraverit's because i want a seperate /home09:36
silent_no, you can have a separate home09:36
Zvezdichkoa separate /home shouldn't be a problem09:36
ZvezdichkoI have installed such thingy on a box but this problems seems strange09:36
silent_I dont think a separate /boot/ works though, since the system has to mount it before it can be accessed by grub and grub is initialized before th os09:36
silent_its a paradox09:37
Zvezdichkothe grandfather paradox09:37
spaceravermeh choosing xfs says it will hang09:37
silent_you can, however mount with unionfs or probly lvm afterward to merge /boot/ on sda1 and /boot/ on sda209:38
silent_but that's just a waste of energy09:38
silent_and time09:38
Zvezdichkohey, will you recommend me a good bittorrent client for xubuntu?09:39
Zvezdichkobecause there are a lot of options and I don't know what to choose09:40
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silent_hehe, I used to use one in CLI, which was a bit of a pain09:40
silent_but I'm not sure which one is most feature-rich nowadays09:40
ZvezdichkoI like Azureus but my old box won't tolerate it09:41
Zvezdichkoit's Java anyway09:41
silent_Java is evil09:41
spaceraverokay it is now as follows.. sda 1 is /, sda2 is /home, and sda3 is swap09:41
silent_java is melting the ice caps09:41
silent_have you installed the system space?09:41
artabrahaoHi, in windows 2003 I can ping the ubuntu and see the group mshome, but cant access shared folder, why?09:42
hyper_chspaceraver: how big is each?09:42
silent_the operating system09:42
silent_do you have the OS on /09:42
hyper_chartabrahao: because it's not shared09:42
spaceraveris 30 something gb09:42
spaceraveroops / is 30 something gb09:42
silent_spaceraver, have you installed xubuntu to / yet?09:42
silent_or just partitioned?09:43
spaceraverjust partitioned using the instaloler09:43
silent_ok, continue with the installer09:43
hyper_chspaceraver: how big did you set each partition?09:43
silent_to install the system09:43
silent_Hyper, they are about equal size afaik09:43
spaceraverhyper_ch: my / is 30 gb and /home is 46 with 2.5 gb swap09:44
hyper_chspaceraver: how much ram?09:44
silent_holy crap09:44
silent_that's a lot of swap09:44
hyper_chI'd rather set root to 20gb and swap max. 1.5 gb09:44
spaceraverbetter to have enough09:44
silent_how much ram do you have?09:44
hyper_ch20gb for root is plenty09:44
spaceraver512 atm... going to throw 1024 in it09:45
silent_you dont need 2.5gb swap09:45
artabrahao<hyper_ch> yes, there is a folder shared09:45
silent_I'd say put swap to 512mb-1gb09:45
Zvezdichko`dinnedinner time09:45
hyper_chartabrahao: where do you want to try access on what09:45
spaceraverwhat do i do with the advanced options at the end before comitting the changes??09:46
artabrahaofrom ubuntu I want to access windows 2003 and virse-versa09:46
hyper_chspaceraver: I have set them to default09:46
spaceraverit says (hd0) but that makes grub install fail09:46
hyper_chnever tried to access windows computers09:46
hyper_chbut from windows to ubuntu you need to setup samba09:46
hyper_chset shared folders in samba09:47
hyper_chat users to samba09:47
silent_I would set the system up as follows (how I'm about to set mine up): 5gb for /, mount another 250gb onto /home/09:47
hyper_chand then you can access09:47
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hyper_chsilent_: 5gb to root is very little09:47
artabrahaodsamba is intealled09:47
silent_samba accesses both ways09:47
spaceraversilent_: i have all my data on a seperate drive anyways09:47
silent_samba+swat for servers works best imo09:47
silent_yea, any partitioning you want will do09:47
silent_but make sure you install the os09:48
spaceraverso (hd0) is okay then09:48
silent_as long as that's where linux lives09:48
spaceraverfailed to install09:48
spaceraversuperblock something...09:49
silent_bad blocks?09:49
silent_have you formatted your partitions?09:49
spaceraverwait a sec... ill disable the sata drives... as both my linux hdd and the dvd drive is ide it makes no difference...09:50
spaceravertime to reboot09:50
silent_wow, I am sooo confused09:50
silent_you told me you had linux on a sata09:50
silent_w/e I'm off to install debian, someone else help him when he comes back (if he comes back)09:51
artabrahaoWhy from Ubuntu I cant access widows shared folders?09:51
Catoptromancyneeds FAT3209:53
Catoptromancywell thats what I do09:53
Catoptromancymade a FAT32 partiton so both OSes can use the files on them09:54
CatoptromancyI can also some reason see my ntfs partition, but ive heard its a really bad idea to make linux use it09:54
artabrahao<hyper_ch> DO I need to install samba in windows09:59
JJNovaOh wow. I didn't think about that. I cna't dual boot this thing, everythings EXT310:00
CatoptromancyXP forces a recovery partiton thats useless if you own the backup DVD10:16
Catoptromancyand its already FAT3210:16
Catoptromancyso i jsut reformatted10:16
Catoptromancyall my docs and mp3s10:17
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JJNovaThat's all i do at my job is recover from a recovery partition all day10:18
JJNovaor use a disc to override passwords.10:18
wonderl00thow do i drag n drop an executable file to an xcfe panel?10:19
JJNovaLike, you want to put Xchat up there next to the Firefox launcher ?10:19
wonderl00tlike i.e. in gnome i could just drag-n-drop the file to a panel..seems different10:19
wonderl00tactually yes and no...i wanna launch a windows .exe with wine10:20
JJNovaI don't know. heh.10:22
Zvezdichko`dinnebtw what was the other name of WineX?10:22
JJNovaWineHQ ?10:23
Zvezdichko`dinneno, I was talking about Cedega and Crossover10:23
Zvezdichko`dinneI remember10:23
Catoptromancywonderl00t, could make a shell10:27
Zvezdichko`dinnenow it's time for Kubuntu-desktop ;_10:27
CatoptromancyI make hidden shells in my /home/10:27
Catoptromancyquick "sh .file" and its off10:28
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wonderl00tCatoptromancy: could you help me do that? if i can nail this, it's bye bye gnome :)10:32
CatoptromancyI dont really know a gnome10:32
CatoptromancyI tried once for 20 minutes10:32
Catoptromancyhold on10:32
Catoptromancymake an empty txt file10:33
Catoptromancybasic txt10:33
Catoptromancywine /home/desktop/Programs/ide/./Ide.exe &10:34
Catoptromancychange your path10:34
Catoptromancyfinal folder is ide   the .exe is Ide.exe10:34
wonderl00tok gimmie a sec here..10:34
Catoptromancyso ./Ide.exe10:34
Catoptromancythe  & sign just closes terminal but leaves program open10:35
Catoptromancydont really need it10:35
wonderl00toh ok...10:35
Catoptromancyits jsut a full command line from /home/10:35
Catoptromancyso instead of typing all that i just type "sh .ide"10:36
wonderl00twhat do i name the text file?10:36
Catoptromancywhatever you want10:36
CatoptromancyI like short names heh10:36
Catoptromancyput a . in front if you want it hidden10:36
wonderl00t..but leave it .txt10:36
Catoptromancyyou can make it clicka ble10:36
Catoptromancywould you rather have it like a clikcable icon?10:36
wonderl00tand i can drag this text file to execute to the xfce panel?10:36
Catoptromancyit just launches it like a bach command10:37
Catoptromancyno dragging10:37
wonderl00ti mean make a launcher asnnd point it to said text file to execute10:37
Catoptromancyhold on10:37
Catoptromancy1 more thing10:37
Catoptromancy#!/bin/sh        <add that line exactly10:38
wonderl00tuh huh10:38
Catoptromancyat very top10:38
Catoptromancyand its a clickable icon now10:38
Catoptromancyso it should work from a panel launcher10:39
wonderl00tcool thanks thats probably basic linux i SHOULD be learning, instead of messing with these music apps lol10:39
Catoptromancybasic shell scripta are a must10:39
Catoptromancyall it really is, is a long command line, thats now executable with a very short command10:40
wonderl00ti have linux bible 2007 i just got as a gift from someone...it's gonna be a great "by the toilet" read from what i see of it right now lol10:40
Catoptromancyim still really new at this10:40
CatoptromancyEven in Windows I made my own batches for everything10:41
Catoptromancyso I had to learn shells10:41
wonderl00tim just now into the "not booting into windows" phase of my "journey" lol10:41
wonderl00tbut im not even as much of a "programmer" as compared to an avid software user...10:41
wonderl00tim learning slowly though :)10:42
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CatoptromancyI learned enough shell scripts to make a half assed menu for launchng games10:42
Catoptromancylike that command I showed you, the terminal would give you a choice on what to execute10:42
Catoptromancyinstead of just 1 command10:42
JJNovaJust a sig thing I put together to match the similar sigs that people like to "stack"10:44
wonderl00twhat did you make that sig pic in?10:44
JJNovathe GIMP10:45
JJNovaRelease Date:10:45
JJNovaUS: May 10, 200710:45
JJNovaDisregard that bit10:46
JJNovaWrong window10:46
wonderl00tlol its cool10:46
JJNovabut yeah, I pute it together in GIMP. Just took some blue, the Xubuntu logo, added some light flare, and then Decored the border.10:47
JJNovaVoila! Simple as that.10:47
Zvezdichko`OFFadding kubuntu-desktop10:50
Zvezdichko`OFFthis will bi interesting10:50
Zvezdichko`OFFlater I'll try to add the KDE 4 alpha10:51
Zvezdichko`OFFOK, is there something to make snaphots in XUBUNTU? Or to press with imagemagick ahead10:53
JJNovaI use the KDE Snapshot program10:53
Zvezdichko`OFFI'm still downloading KDE10:54
Zvezdichko`OFFI don't have it yet10:54
JJNovaWell, I mean, I just use that program in Xubuntu10:54
CatoptromancyZvezdichko`OFF, you can right click a panel add new item10:54
Zvezdichko`OFFI do hope that nothing will be removed and kubuntu-desktop won't replace xubuntu-desktop10:58
JJNovaIt wont10:59
JJNovaYou can install kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop, and gnome-desktop on the same machine.10:59
Zvezdichko`OFFyears ago there was a single .xinitrc file and you just point there what to start11:01
Zvezdichko`OFFnow I don't know what the situation is11:01
hyper_chZvezdichko`OFF: you know how to make screenshots in xubuntu?11:01
Zvezdichko`OFFyes, with import ( imagemagick ) is the simplest method, I just have to install it11:02
hyper_chZvezdichko`OFF: http://phpfi.com/23718411:03
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Catoptromancywell crap11:09
CatoptromancyI just kicked in the missing panels11:10
guigz2000Do someone know how I can ask xubuntu to shut the monitor off after a certain time?I have an Imac G4 and I just keep getting the backlight on.11:11
guigz2000with a black screen...11:11
guigz2000I just want to disable the backlight11:11
JJNovaYeah. You can set it to do that in the screensaver settings11:12
JJNovaIt has a section that asks how long to go without movement before shutting the screen off (or turning the screensaver on)11:13
CatoptromancyWhooops thats what i get for screwing with stuff heh11:13
CatoptromancyI gotta keep a terminal open now with Xfce4-panel running11:13
Catoptromancyor else I have no panels11:13
guigz2000I already ask it to do it after 2 mins,but I keep having the backlight on.11:13
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Catoptromancythis has to be a bug11:16
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Gerrohey everyone11:18
Gerrodo I know you?11:20
JJNovaI don't believe so11:24
Zvezdichko`OFFUbuntu = connecting cultures11:30
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Catoptromancy_yay fixed my panels11:59
Zvezdichko`OFFanybody still awake?12:00
RamlaA bit12:02
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Zvezdichko`OFFgreat ;)12:05
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guigz2000Hello,I'd like to watch dvd's using gxine,but there are problems.how can I install dvd playback support?12:08
guigz2000I have a ppc imac G412:09
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RamlaWhy do they always go before I get to answer them12:22
Ramlalibxine1-ffmpeg libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdread3 -packages for dvd playback. probably need medibuntu repository. There. still answered him.12:23
Jester45libdvdcss2 needes it12:23
Jester45dvdread doesnt12:24
Jester45i dont know about the other 2 but i think the xine1-ffmpeg doesnt need it12:24

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