[12:27] <jordan> i dont think i did
[12:27] <maxamillion> hmmm....
[12:27] <maxamillion> lemme think ....
[12:27] <jordan> i guess it isnt really that big of a deal
[12:28] <jordan> i mean, it looks nice how it is
[12:28] <maxamillion> yeah, but honestly ... i don't like metacity, xfwm4 is half of why i use xfce ... its a really nice window manager
[12:28] <jordan> well, if u wanna keep working with me here im more than up for it
[12:28] <jordan> id like to see it
[12:29] <jordan> but i dont wanna take all of ur time either
[12:29] <maxamillion> jordan: yeah, lemme check some config files and then cross reference with you, just a moment i need to locate them
[12:29] <jordan> k
[12:29] <jordan> possibly i can use beryl to change the window manager?
[12:29] <jordan> i see something like that in the beryl manager
[12:30] <maxamillion> jordan: technically you could, but you shouldn't need to ... you can give that a try while i search around for the right files
[12:30] <jordan> okay
[12:30] <jordan> i tried it, and it seemed to change the window manager
[12:31] <maxamillion> jordan: well thats good
[12:31] <jordan> now there is a little o in the top left corner
[12:31] <maxamillion> yup
[12:31] <jordan> and an up arrow in the right
[12:31] <jordan> is that xfwm4?
[12:31] <maxamillion> the o is for "sticky" and the up arrow is for "shade"
[12:31] <maxamillion> yeah, it is
[12:31] <jordan> okay
[12:31] <jordan> well, ill mess around with this then
[12:32] <jordan> i really appreciate everyone help
[12:32] <maxamillion> and you can configure those in Applications->Settings->Settings Manager->Window Manager .... under "button layout" you can drag and drop which ones are displayed or hidden
[12:32] <jordan> im sure this isnt the last that you will see me here
[12:32] <maxamillion> jordan: anytime :)
[12:33] <maxamillion> jordan: this is what we are here for
[12:33] <jordan> well thanks again
[12:33] <jordan> have a nice night/afternoon
[12:33] <jordan> ttyl
[12:33] <maxamillion> and you too ..
[12:33] <maxamillion> bah, too slow
[01:16] <maxamillion> PriceChild: hi hi
[01:37] <ReMixx> hi is anyone here knowledgable with grub error 17s?
[01:48] <octoberdan> I've downloaded a theme and coppied it into /usr/share/themes, but when I go to the Settings Manager and then "Window Manager." the theme isn't in the list of styles
[01:48] <octoberdan> How come?
[01:52] <j1mc> octoberdan: have you extracted the theme files?
[01:53] <octoberdan> j1mc: I have
[01:53] <octoberdan> j1mc: Just as the directions described
[01:53] <j1mc> octoberdan: hmmm... give me a second, please.  :)  let me check something.
[01:54] <octoberdan> Sure
[01:54] <octoberdan> http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Neutronium+Gilouche?content=57176
[01:54] <octoberdan> Is the theme
[01:55] <j1mc> octoberdan: can you navigate to where you've placed theme?
[01:56] <j1mc> . . . using thunar to navigate there would be fine.
[01:57] <j1mc> octoberdan: hello?
[01:57] <octoberdan> gah
[01:59] <vidd> octoberdan, can you get there?
[01:59] <ReMixx> anyone here good with installing xubuntu? I'm having rather annoying issues with partitioning, grub, etc.
[01:59] <vidd> ReMixx, you using the live cd or the alt-cd?
[02:00] <ReMixx> live
[02:00] <ReMixx> (no idea what alt-cd is)
[02:00] <vidd> hmmm....
[02:00] <octoberdan> vidd: Yes
[02:00] <ReMixx> erm, what exactly is alt-cd?
[02:00] <vidd> octoberdan, what is the directory path
[02:00] <octoberdan> ReMixx: Non live-cd installer
[02:01] <octoberdan> ReMixx: Always you to install in some ways that you wouldn't be able to with the live cd
[02:01] <vidd> ReMixx, it is an installer-only...MUCH easier to install with then the live cd
[02:01] <ReMixx> ahh, isee that now on the xubuntu.org site
[02:01] <ReMixx> i'll try that
[02:01] <octoberdan> vidd: /usr/share/themes/Neutronium Gilouche
[02:01] <vidd> ReMixx, you have issues with that...i can help!
[02:02] <vidd> octoberdan, give me a sec....let me see where i have my themes
[02:02] <ReMixx> lol ok
[02:02] <ReMixx> it's gonna take like 18 hours to download... erm
[02:03] <octoberdan> vidd: I might have got it working, one moment...
[02:03] <vidd> ReMixx, can you connect to the internet via a wired network card? or do you use dial-up?
[02:03] <ReMixx> wired nic
[02:03] <ReMixx> dsl
[02:03] <vidd> ReMixx, then get the mini iso...and do a net install
[02:04] <vidd> vidd.homelinux.net:8080/test
[02:04] <ReMixx> ah thanks
[02:04] <vidd> got it?
[02:04] <ReMixx> firefox doesn't know how to handle that protocol?
[02:04] <ReMixx> first time i've seen that
[02:04] <ReMixx> ah i had an extra colon, my bad
[02:05] <vidd> my dsl blocks port 80
[02:05] <vidd> verizon equals evil
[02:05] <ReMixx> hmmm i'm downloading the entire iso
[02:05] <vidd> its small
[02:05] <ReMixx> 594mb
[02:05] <ReMixx> not so small i would say
[02:06] <vidd> which iso did you grab?
[02:06] <ReMixx> xubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386.iso
[02:06] <ReMixx> was the only xubuntu one on there
[02:06] <vidd> dang....
[02:06] <vidd> one minute...let me slap the mini iso back on there
[02:07] <ReMixx> oh ok
[02:07] <ReMixx> so i need to do a netinstall from the box i'm putting this on right?
[02:07] <ReMixx> i just bought a new nic for it (so old it never had one)
[02:08] <vidd> there...refresh
[02:08] <vidd> it is called mini.iso
[02:08] <ReMixx> yup downloading
[02:08] <ReMixx> take about 2min
[02:09] <ReMixx> so i should go ahead and put that nic in then eh?
[02:09] <vidd> yeah
[02:09] <ReMixx> and pray it works lol
[02:09] <vidd> how new is it?
[02:09] <ReMixx> like i just bought it today
[02:10] <ReMixx> but the box is an old pentium 2 450mhz
[02:10] <ReMixx> no ethernet ports on it, been using usb wireless
[02:10] <vidd> nic cards havent changed much in the last 3 years...should be fine
[02:10] <ReMixx> cool
[02:10] <vidd> usb wireless....what chipset?
[02:11] <ReMixx> uh it's a netopia usb wireless adapter
[02:11] <ReMixx> don't know a model number
[02:11] <vidd> under the live cd....what does lsusb say?
[02:11] <vidd> and does it work with the live cd?
[02:12] <ReMixx> oh i didn't try it with live cd
[02:12] <ReMixx> that was when i had xp installed on it
[02:12] <ReMixx> (yeah it ran xp)
[02:12] <vidd> the live cd will tell you if the usb wireless will work or not....well by default anyway....
[02:13] <vidd> if the live cd will connect to the internet with your wireless usb without extra configuration, then that mini iso will too
[02:14] <vidd> and you can hold off on installing that pci card (or just install it anyway)
[02:14] <ReMixx> i'm just gonna install it anyways
[02:14] <ReMixx> wireless is too finicky for a dedicated server
[02:15] <ReMixx> lol ok i'll do wirless firs tthen
[02:16] <vidd> your download complete already?
[02:16] <ReMixx> yup
[02:16] <ReMixx> i should go ahead and burn it right
[02:16] <vidd> i could tell....the lights on my server box stopped flashing!
[02:16] <vidd> yep
[02:16] <ReMixx> lol
[02:17] <ReMixx> so put the live cd in to see if wireless works?
[02:17] <vidd> soon that box will be sitting in the NOC @ work, and i wont have to worry about port 80 blocking
[02:17] <vidd> yep
[02:18] <vidd> but if your going to install the nic anyway, might just as well install it prior to using the net installer
[02:18] <ReMixx> ....
[02:18] <ReMixx> put the nic in first?
[02:18] <vidd> see if the usb works....weather it does or not, install the nic
[02:19] <ReMixx> ohhh
[02:19] <ReMixx> ok
[02:19] <ReMixx> so installing nic now then
[02:21] <vidd> you just want to see if the usb works, cuzz you might want to use that net installer on another machine without a LAN nic
[02:22] <ReMixx> i see, where is the net installer installing from?
[02:23] <vidd> it is installing from the apt repositories available online
[02:23] <ReMixx> oh ok
[02:23] <ReMixx> i put the live cd back in to see if the wireless works
[02:23] <ReMixx> it's gonna take a few min to load up...
[02:23] <tuga3d> hi all!
[02:23] <ReMixx> howdy!
[02:24] <tuga3d> i've instaled xubuntu, but i need the kernel source to compile my modem drivers
[02:24] <tuga3d> can anyone tell me where i can get them?
[02:26] <vidd> you gan get them via synaptic
[02:26] <tuga3d> i dont have internet in xubuntu :( i need the modem drivers.
[02:27] <vidd> they are on the install cd
[02:27] <vidd> you dont NEED to be connected to get them
[02:28] <vidd> just make sure you have the cd in your /etc/apt/sources.list file UNcommented
[02:28] <tuga3d> what's the name of the package? i've searched for kernel souce.
[02:28] <vidd> one sec....
[02:30] <ReMixx> hey vidd, i plugged in the wireless usb, but how do i see if it's working?
[02:31] <vidd> its either linux-image-[kernel version]  or linux-header-[kernel version]  .... i recommend you install both
[02:31] <vidd> ReMixx, open a web page
[02:31] <tuga3d> ok, thanks!!!!
[02:31] <vidd> and go somewhere
[02:31] <ReMixx> hmmm how do i open firefox? there's no app bar
[02:32] <vidd> no app bar....?
[02:32] <ReMixx> yeah, i found that odd too
[02:32] <vidd> can you right-click?
[02:32] <ReMixx> yeah
[02:32] <ReMixx> oh ok igot it
[02:32] <vidd> what you get?
[02:32] <ReMixx> i alt-f2 and typed firefox
[02:32] <vidd> ther ya go
[02:32] <ReMixx> yeah, this live cd is weird
[02:32] <ReMixx> i don't like it too much lol
[02:33] <vidd> and ppl wonder why i install exclusively from the alt or net-install
[02:33] <ReMixx> ok so i need to enter my wireless's security thingy...
[02:33] <ReMixx> to connect to the network
[02:33] <ReMixx> how do i do that?
[02:34] <vidd> [alt-f2]  then gsudo network-admin
[02:35] <ReMixx> no such file or directory as gsudo
[02:35] <ReMixx> lol
[02:35] <ReMixx> sudo worked
[02:35] <vidd> yeah...sorry for the typo
[02:35] <ReMixx> forgive me for being new at this hehe
[02:37] <ReMixx> uggg, i need to manually configure all the wireless stuff?
[02:37] <vidd> need either bigger keys or smaller fingers
[02:37] <vidd> manually????? no
[02:37] <vidd> do you see "wireless"?
[02:37] <ReMixx> oh dhcp, my bad
[02:37] <ReMixx> i was doing static ip
[02:37] <ReMixx> that's why
[02:38] <ReMixx> lol
[02:38] <ReMixx> i don't know what to put for like gateway and stuff
[02:39] <vidd> the gateway is the ip of your network device....
[02:39] <ReMixx> oh
[02:39] <ReMixx> well i'll just use dhcp for now
[02:39] <vidd> ie...iuf your router is @ ip[ 192.168.200.1, then THAT is yoiur gateway
[02:39] <ReMixx> oh ok
[02:41] <vidd> ReMixx, do we have contact?
[02:41] <vidd> rhe EASIEST way to tell for sure is to go to terminal and type iwconfig
[02:42] <ReMixx> grr
[02:42] <ReMixx> my keyboard randomly stopped working
[02:42] <vidd> if the "access point" says "invalid" then no....if it has a mac address[xx.xx.xx.xx.xx.xx]  then you have a yes
[02:42] <ReMixx> let me get my keyboard working again...
[02:44] <vidd> did i mention i HATE the live cd?
[02:44] <ReMixx> no kidding
[02:44] <ReMixx> like power isn't going to my keyboard anymore
[02:44] <ReMixx> turning on wireless apparently turns off the keyboard
[02:44] <vidd> hmmmm
[02:45] <ReMixx> guess i have to restart and pray
[02:45] <vidd> they keyboard isnt WIRELESS by chance is it?
[02:45] <ReMixx> nope
[02:45] <ReMixx> ps2
[02:45] <vidd> then just nix the wireless for now, install the nic drop in the disk...and pray!
[02:45] <vidd> lol
[02:45] <ReMixx> ok power is back in the keyboard, numlock lit up
[02:45] <ReMixx> lol
[02:45] <ReMixx> that would be easier
[02:46] <ReMixx> so just pop the netinstaller in?
[02:46] <vidd> yep
[02:46] <vidd> and take out the wireless
[02:46] <vidd> for now
[02:46] <ReMixx> yeah
[02:47] <vidd> out of curiosity....how much ram you got running?
[02:47] <ReMixx> 384 i believe?
[02:47] <ReMixx> of god only knows how fast ram
[02:47] <ReMixx> it's really old hehe
[02:47] <ReMixx> that netinstaller brings up an ubuntu splash screen
[02:47] <vidd> yes....
[02:48] <ReMixx> can i still get xubuntu out of it?
[02:49] <vidd> near the end, you will get an option of which desktop environment you want....ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, xubuntu, or LAMP
[02:49] <ReMixx> oh ok
[02:49] <vidd> did i mention i LOVE the net installer?
[02:49] <ReMixx> lol
[02:50] <ReMixx> so default installation
[02:50] <ReMixx> or server?
[02:50] <vidd> default
[02:50] <vidd> if you do server, you will get a CLI only install
[02:51] <ReMixx> oh ok
[02:51] <vidd> and NOT get the options listed above
[02:51] <ReMixx> i see
[02:51] <vidd> in which case, you simply go to the command line, and type "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[02:52] <ReMixx> ah
[02:52] <vidd> does the exact same thing
[02:52] <ReMixx> i need to find another ethernet cable before i go any further
[02:52] <ReMixx> brb
[02:53] <vidd> just takes you 3 minutes longer...and you do [maybe]  one extra reboot
[02:55] <ReMixx> ok back
[02:56] <ReMixx> plugged it in and the led's lit up
[02:56] <ReMixx> that's good
[02:58] <vidd> ReMixx, did your install find your home network?
[02:58] <ReMixx> yup
[02:59] <ReMixx> it's "Loading additional components"
[02:59] <vidd> then your off to the races
[02:59] <ReMixx> hotdog!
[02:59] <ReMixx> now does this netinstall have a partitioner in it too?
[02:59] <vidd> you hit a snag...im here to get you thru it
[02:59] <vidd> ReMixx, yes it does
[02:59] <ReMixx> oh ok
[03:00] <ReMixx> man i hope they clean up the live cds...
[03:00] <vidd> you will have the option of using the entire drive, or moving your windows partion to the side and using the rest
[03:00] <ReMixx> that's just ridiculous... especially for people who don't know computers well
[03:00] <ReMixx> there's no windows on it
[03:01] <ReMixx> oh ok i'm at the partitioner now
[03:01] <ReMixx> i'll choose manual
[03:01] <vidd> then just select the option of using the entire disk and let it do the hard stuff for ya!
[03:01] <ReMixx> or guided using all?
[03:01] <ReMixx> oh ok
[03:01] <ReMixx> lol
[03:01] <ReMixx> what's LVM?
[03:01] <vidd> it is a method of "spanning partitions"
[03:02] <ReMixx> hmmmm
[03:02] <ReMixx> do i need that?
[03:02] <vidd> do you want other stuff on here besides ubuntu?
[03:02] <ReMixx> just xubuntu
[03:02] <ReMixx> i got 2 hdds in it too
[03:02] <vidd> do you have more then one hard drive?
[03:02] <ReMixx> yup 2
[03:03] <vidd> how big?
[03:03] <ReMixx> well the main one is 12gig and the slave is 36ish
[03:03] <ReMixx> before i was trying to do root in the 12gig and /home in the 36
[03:03] <vidd> 12 gig and 36 gig?
[03:03] <ReMixx> yes.
[03:04] <ReMixx> it's old :)
[03:04] <vidd> you want to use guided on all of the 12 gig....
[03:04] <vidd> after it is done, you want to go back and do a manual.....
[03:05] <ReMixx> oh ok
[03:05] <ReMixx> how would i go about doing the manual?
[03:05] <ReMixx> gparted?
[03:05] <ReMixx> or do i have to use the net-installer again
[03:05] <vidd> before you write the changes...THAT wis when you go back....
[03:06] <ReMixx> cripes...
[03:06] <ReMixx> i thinki just told it to write
[03:06] <vidd> you want it to auto set up your first drive, then manually set up the second drive as /homne
[03:06] <ReMixx> hmmm
[03:06] <ReMixx> can i do that later on?
[03:06] <ReMixx> oh i see a go back option
[03:06] <vidd> yes....but it is rather complicated
[03:06] <vidd> use it
[03:06] <ReMixx> ok back intot he partitioner
[03:07] <vidd> what do you see/
[03:07] <vidd> ?
[03:07] <vidd> you SHOULD see something like hdb >unpartiioned sp0ace
[03:08] <ReMixx> ok i think i set it up correctly, let me read it off to you
[03:08] <ReMixx> IDE1 master - #1 primary 12.4Gig for ext3 '/', #5 logical 592.2MB swap
[03:09] <ReMixx> IDE2 slave (hdb) #1 primary ext3 /home
[03:09] <vidd> sopunds about right...
[03:09] <ReMixx> yeah
[03:09] <ReMixx> looks about right
[03:09] <vidd> you have /, you have swap, you have /home
[03:09] <ReMixx> correct.
[03:10] <vidd> thats all you need
[03:10] <ReMixx> cool, writing changes to disk
[03:10] <vidd> acually its more then you NEED but its what you want...ya know what i mean
[03:10] <vidd> =] 
[03:10] <ReMixx> haha yeah
[03:12] <vidd> noiw you can sit back, relax, read the articles on www.linux.org, have a beer.....
[03:12] <ReMixx> lol, still configuring
[03:12] <vidd> XD
[03:13] <ReMixx> so where are we supposed to get this net-installer if i didn't get it from your server?
[03:13] <ReMixx> and now it's installing
[03:13] <vidd> its burried somewhere in the ubuntu archives
[03:13] <ReMixx> ....
[03:13] <ReMixx> that's no good
[03:13] <ReMixx> what about an alt-cd?
[03:13] <ReMixx> how does that work
[03:14] <vidd> the alt cd is found on the same page as the live cd...you just have to scroll down to find it
[03:14] <vidd> oh...it works much the same way
[03:15] <vidd> it just has all the files you are now downloading on the disk itself
[03:16] <ReMixx> ohhhh
[03:16] <ReMixx> lol
[03:16] <ReMixx> yeah i could find the alt cd
[03:17] <vidd> this method saves you the trouble of immediately having to run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to get the lastest and greatest of everything
[03:17] <ReMixx> ahhh
[03:17] <ReMixx> i see
[03:17] <ReMixx> and it will let me choose xubuntu eventually?
[03:17] <vidd> you dont install already patched bugs
[03:17] <vidd> yes it will
[03:17] <ReMixx> awesome
[03:19] <ReMixx> unfortunately it might take all night to install...
[03:19] <vidd> i thought you had DSL?
[03:20] <vidd> 20-30 minutes more....max
[03:20] <ReMixx> well it's been at 6% for a long time
[03:20] <ReMixx> and it just jumped to like 30
[03:20] <ReMixx> lol
[03:20] <ReMixx> now it's really going
[03:21] <vidd> yeah...that 7th % is a pain in the [explicative deleted] 
[03:21] <ReMixx> lol
[03:21] <ReMixx> no kidding!
[03:21] <ReMixx> i think it was because it's unpacking what it download
[03:21] <ReMixx> it's such a slow cpu
[03:23] <vidd> no....that has always been a slow spot...even with my rocket machine
[03:23] <ReMixx> oh ok
[03:23] <ReMixx> 34 and 48 were slow too
[03:23] <ReMixx> and those were unpacking stages
[03:24] <vidd> my rocket machine has 1gig of ram and that part still took a minute or 2
[03:25] <vidd> well, it will always take longer to install the package then to download it on machines with ram deficiencies
[03:25] <vidd> =] 
[03:25] <ReMixx> hehe yup
[03:25] <ReMixx> i'm so glad the nic worked
[03:25] <ReMixx> it costed $15 and i had a $10 coupon
[03:26] <ReMixx> so i paid $4.99 for it
[03:26] <vidd> as i said...wired nics havent changed all that much in the last 3 years, and most manufactures are making sure they work with linux
[03:26] <ReMixx> the actual box said windows only
[03:26] <ReMixx> like explicitly
[03:26] <vidd> wireless is a totally different story.....
[03:26] <ReMixx> but whatever, it works
[03:27] <vidd> the FCC in the US has laws about broadcast frequencies and such....
[03:27] <ReMixx> yeah you try to install a wireless usb card and your keyboard will die
[03:28] <vidd> and open source will let ppl change what frequencies thier cards broadcast, so someone might try to take out a plane .....or some other such [explicative deleted] 
[03:29] <ReMixx> lol
[03:30] <vidd> some hard wire the frequencies....duhhhhh
[03:30] <ReMixx> so how do you know so much about linux vidd?
[03:30] <vidd> my motto is hack it till it hurt...i mean works!
[03:30] <ReMixx> lol
[03:31] <vidd> just from using it...paying attention here, and reading
[03:31] <ReMixx> ah, very nice
[03:31] <vidd> for example...i spent a month trying to get my wireless card to work on my laptop.....
[03:31] <ReMixx> yuck
[03:32] <ReMixx> i'm getting more interested in linux, especially now that opengl is confirmed to be back into development... 3.0 by the end of the year!
[03:32] <ReMixx> and vista sucks.
[03:33] <vidd> i was getting ready to order some replacement, linux-friendly wifi cards and throw the one that came with the laptop under a truck, when my daughter touched a button on the bottom edge of the laptop [a button i never noticed before]  and poof....it worked
[03:33] <ReMixx> LOL
[03:34] <ReMixx> did you use the wireless adapter before?
[03:34] <ReMixx> like on a different OS?
[03:34] <vidd> yes...that was what had me banging my head against the wall
[03:34] <ReMixx> oh
[03:34] <vidd> it worked in linux
[03:34] <ReMixx> it wasn't a toshiba laptop was it?
[03:34] <vidd> worse....a compaq
[03:34] <ReMixx> oh ok
[03:34] <ReMixx> my mom has a toshiba and it had a hidden wireless button on it too
[03:35] <ReMixx> i personally use a dell laptop
[03:35] <ReMixx> with xp on it
[03:35] <vidd> why on EARTH would ANYONE want to turn off the wi-fi?
[03:35] <vidd> ReMixx, we hope to fix that
[03:36] <vidd> !bug 1
[03:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[03:36] <vidd> !windows
[03:36] <ReMixx> ...
[03:36] <ReMixx> lol
[03:36] <ReMixx> i'd switch to linux if it wasn't for directx
[03:36] <vidd> what do you need direct x for?
[03:36] <ReMixx> i can play some games with the 6800go in here
[03:37] <ReMixx> and trying to emulate it in linux would just kill performance too much
[03:37] <ReMixx> with cedega or something
[03:37] <vidd> dont emulate it...just use WINE
[03:38] <ReMixx> well cedega is based on wine isn't it?
[03:38] <vidd> but really...what games do you play?
[03:38] <vidd> it is...but wine is free
[03:38] <ReMixx> well mostly source based (CS, mods) and oblivion
[03:38] <ReMixx> oh i wasn't aware that cedega wasn't free
[03:38] <vidd> you have to pay for it
[03:38] <ReMixx> i see
[03:38] <ReMixx> even worse lol
[03:39] <vidd> to the best of my knowledge anyway....
[03:39] <ReMixx> you're probably right
[03:39] <vidd> i could be wrong....
[03:39] <ReMixx> ohwell
[03:39] <ReMixx> but yeah xp does everything i need it to do on this laptop
[03:39] <ReMixx> haha
[03:40] <vidd> how is your install coming along?
[03:40] <ReMixx> i just chose xubuntu
[03:40] <ReMixx> and it's about 85%
[03:40] <ReMixx> with that
[03:41] <vidd> awesome....and we are only at about 17 minutes
[03:41] <ReMixx> oh really?
[03:41] <ReMixx> sweet
[03:41] <ReMixx> that's 450mhz of pure cpu power!
[03:41] <vidd> told ya....20-30 minutes tops
[03:42] <ReMixx> do you know a good free utility for remote desktop on it?
[03:42] <ReMixx> besides vnc...
[03:42] <ReMixx> you have to pay to use vnc as far as i know
[03:42] <vidd> takes longer to make the alt-cd then to dl, make, run and install with the mini
[03:42] <ReMixx> well if my university hosted the alt-cd like they do the live cd... i could download it in 3 minutes lol
[03:43] <vidd> ] there is an open source vnc server and client for linux...its in the repos
[03:44] <ReMixx> can i sudo apt-get vnc or something?
[03:44] <vidd> its just a pay thing for windowsa
[03:44] <ReMixx> and does it include file transfer?
[03:44] <vidd> something like that
[03:44] <ReMixx> which isn't necessary... but would be nice
[03:44] <vidd> not sure what it is that you are trying to do....
[03:45] <ReMixx> i would use ssh, but i want to use some graphical programs on it
[03:45] <ReMixx> which is a bit complicated with ssh terminal :)
[03:45] <vidd> do you want to remote in to a windows machine, or remote in from linux to windows [or linux] ?
[03:46] <ReMixx> remote from windows or linux into linux
[03:46] <ReMixx> hmm the installation has been stuck at 90% for awhile now
[03:46] <vidd> then you set up a vnc server on the machine you want to remote into, and then use a vnc client on the machine you are connecting from
[03:46] <ReMixx> yeah that was the plan
[03:47] <ReMixx> just would be nice if the free vnc had file transfer, i believe that is only part of the edition you have to pay for
[03:47] <ReMixx> but i can ssh transfer files
[03:47] <vidd> give me a sec to get you some documentation
[03:47] <ReMixx> k
[03:50] <vidd> here is one: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/VNC_GDM
[03:51] <ReMixx> hmm thanks
[03:51] <vidd> set up an ftp server on the remote machine, and gftp on the client side
[03:51] <ReMixx> i'll look at it more when i get closer to setting it up
[03:51] <ReMixx> i can do that for file transfer
[03:51] <ReMixx> yeah
[03:51] <vidd> you get past 90% now?
[03:51] <ReMixx> just hit 91
[03:52] <vidd> good...cuzz we are getting close to 26 minutes.....
[03:52] <ReMixx> lol
[03:52] <ReMixx> brb
[03:53] <vidd> if it goes over 30...blame your dsl provider...ISP's are used to getting blamed for stuff they have no control over.....
[03:55] <ReMixx> back, lol
[03:55] <ReMixx> 97%, cleaning up
[03:56] <ReMixx> ok it's installing grub
[03:57] <ReMixx> and done, rebooting
[03:58] <vidd> awesome...31 minutes
[03:58] <ReMixx> dang
[03:58] <ReMixx> stupid AT&T
[03:58] <vidd> lol
[03:59] <ReMixx> hmmm i don't get the xubuntu splash screen?
[03:59] <vidd> do you NEED it? and did it already reboot?
[03:59] <ReMixx> i don't need it, just curious where it went
[03:59] <ReMixx> and it's in the process of starting up
[04:00] <vidd> did you remember to remove the disk?
[04:00] <ReMixx> yup
[04:00] <ReMixx> right now it's stuck at Running local boot scripts
[04:01] <vidd> hmmm'
[04:01] <ReMixx> oh i just had to hit enter
[04:01] <ReMixx> lol
[04:02] <ReMixx> hmm
[04:02] <ReMixx> it's just one big terminal
[04:02] <ReMixx> where's the gui?
[04:02] <vidd> did you get the desktop login niow?
[04:02] <ReMixx> i logged in
[04:02] <vidd> not sure....
[04:02] <ReMixx> but i'm not sure if i'm actually running xubuntu
[04:02] <ReMixx> sudo apt-get xubuntu-desktop was it?
[04:02] <vidd> type "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[04:02] <ReMixx> k
[04:03] <ReMixx> E: Invalid operation xubuntu-desktop
[04:03] <vidd> what does it say?
[04:03] <ReMixx> that's what it says
[04:03] <vidd> you forgot the "install"
[04:03] <ReMixx> oh
[04:03] <ReMixx> yeah
[04:03] <ReMixx> lol
[04:03] <ReMixx> there we go
[04:03] <ReMixx> it's doing stuff
[04:04] <ReMixx> apparently i must not have chosen xubuntu
[04:04] <ReMixx> i highlighted it and hit enter, but that might have just chosen the default option
[04:05] <vidd> hmmmm.....idk....it always worked for me......
[04:05] <ReMixx> so am i gonna have 2 things come up in grub then?
[04:05] <vidd> no
[04:05] <ReMixx> one for xubuntu and one for whatever flavor of ubuntu this is?
[04:05] <ReMixx> oh...
[04:05] <vidd> well...3 acually....but they are already ther
[04:05] <ReMixx> well besides the mem test and safe mode or whatever
[04:06] <vidd> nope
[04:06] <ReMixx> oh ok cool, so it just kinda deletes whatever i was using now?
[04:07] <ReMixx> it's estimating 38minutes on the download
[04:07] <vidd> no...it looks like you have either the server install (no desktop) or the lamp (apche, mysql, linux CLI, and php
[04:07] <ReMixx> i think it's server install
[04:08] <vidd> then it will just put the desktop over what is already there
[04:08] <ReMixx> anywho, i'm gonna go do something else, i need to get away while this downloads, you gonna be around later if i need you vidd?
[04:08] <ReMixx> awesome
[04:09] <vidd> sure...but you wont NEED help....it will just workl
[04:10] <ReMixx> haha good!
[04:10] <ReMixx> thanks alot vidd
[04:10] <ReMixx> hopefully i won't have to ask for help later!
[04:26] <vidd_laptop> octoberdan, is your themes working now?
[04:47] <octoberdan> vidd: Gave up on it for now, actually
[04:50] <vidd> ah...
[04:50] <vidd> cuzz i think i see where they SHOULD be
[04:50] <vidd> where are they now?
[04:53] <ReMixx> hey vidd, you still around?
[04:54] <vidd> yeah
[04:54] <ReMixx> well it finished the download
[04:54] <vidd> all go well?
[04:54] <ReMixx> but it still goes into the server mode or whatever
[04:54] <ReMixx> like xubuntu doesn't show up
[04:54] <vidd> try reboot already?
[04:55] <ReMixx> yeah
[04:55] <ReMixx> grub says its loading in 5 seconds, and then it automatically goes into the server mode
[04:57] <vidd> ok...give me a sec....
[04:57] <ReMixx> ok
[04:58] <ReMixx> oh gross, if i do another apt-get install xubuntu-desktop, it wants to reinstall it all again
[04:58] <ReMixx> as in redownload it all
[04:58] <vidd> disregard...
[04:59] <vidd> try typing this in the command line:
[04:59] <ReMixx> erm
[04:59] <vidd> pgrep apache2
[04:59] <ReMixx> i already initiated it again
[04:59] <ReMixx> criiiipes
[04:59] <ReMixx> but it looks like it doesn't have to redownload
[04:59] <vidd> {ctrl}{c} will stop it
[04:59] <ReMixx> it's all downloaded, it's just unpacking everything
[05:00] <vidd> hmmm....did it not properly install b4?
[05:00] <ReMixx> well it said some things didn't get installed and said to do an update
[05:00] <ReMixx> lets see what it says this time
[05:01] <vidd> do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[05:02] <ReMixx> i'll try it when its done
[05:10] <vidd> ReMixx, servey says?
[05:11] <ReMixx> it's still in the process of "setting up" things
[05:11] <vidd> ok
[05:20] <ReMixx> apparently setting up the fonts is really hard
[05:22] <vidd> is it working now?
[05:25] <ReMixx> it's still setting up the fonts
[05:25] <ReMixx> and regenerating fonts cache a lot
[05:27] <vidd> it does that after each font it loads
[05:27] <vidd> its annoying...i know
[05:30] <ReMixx> and i think it set up over 100 splashes
[05:33] <ReMixx> woah
[05:33] <ReMixx> that's new
[05:33] <ReMixx> it wants me to configure X server
[05:34] <ReMixx> ok, vidd?
[05:38] <vidd> yeah?
[05:38] <ReMixx> ok so the internal speaker yelled at me and now i'm back to /boot/grub$_
[05:38] <vidd> choose all the default settings
[05:38] <ReMixx> i did
[05:38] <ReMixx> for that
[05:39] <vidd> what does it say?
[05:39] <vidd> or is it loading yet?
[05:39] <ReMixx> umm it's just waiting for my input
[05:39] <ReMixx> at the prompt
[05:39] <ReMixx> is it called a shell prompt or something?
[05:39] <ReMixx> i dont' know the technical terms
[05:39] <vidd> hhmmmm
[05:40] <ReMixx> should i restart?
[05:40] <vidd> type pgrep apache2
[05:40] <vidd> tell me what it says
[05:40] <ReMixx> k
[05:40] <ReMixx> it didn't do anything
[05:40] <ReMixx> just gave me a new line with the shell prompt
[05:40] <vidd> good
[05:40] <ReMixx> k
[05:40] <vidd> that means you did NOT install the LAMP
[05:40] <ReMixx> cool
[05:41] <vidd> but i do not know why you are not auto booting the desktop
[05:41] <ReMixx> i'll ctrl alt delete reboot it
[05:41] <vidd> give me a sec
[05:41] <ReMixx> ok
[05:42] <vidd> well....try that while i look
[05:42] <ReMixx> erm
[05:42] <ReMixx> i typed startx for the hell of it... that did something
[05:42] <ReMixx> at least i have a mouse cursor now lol
[05:42] <vidd> yeah...that was what i was looking for....
[05:42] <vidd> the correct start command
[05:43] <ReMixx> i know that's what you use for myth
[05:43] <ReMixx> WOOHOOO it worked
[05:43] <ReMixx> and it has the application bar too!
[05:43] <vidd> well....sorta
[05:43] <ReMixx> ???
[05:43] <vidd> before you reboot....
[05:44] <vidd> go to the settings manager....
[05:44] <vidd> applications>settings>settings manager....
[05:45] <ReMixx> right
[05:45] <ReMixx> i'm there
[05:45] <vidd> then "Sessions and startup"
[05:45] <ReMixx> k
[05:45] <vidd> is there a check in ANY box?
[05:46] <ReMixx> check next to: "Prompt on logout", "Show hibernate button", "Show suspend button"
[05:46] <vidd> sorry...go to "advanced" tab
[05:46] <ReMixx> oh ok
[05:46] <ReMixx> just launch gnome on startup
[05:46] <vidd> ok...reboot
[05:46] <ReMixx> k
[05:47] <vidd> i dont see where we goofed
[05:47] <ReMixx> we goofed? how so
[05:47] <vidd> the desktop should load WITHOUT being TOLD to
[05:47] <ReMixx> well it is now
[05:48] <ReMixx> it's loading
[05:48] <ReMixx> splash screen and all
[05:48] <vidd> right...but there should NOT have been all these extra steps
[05:48] <ReMixx> and it's loading much faster than ubuntu on my much faster desktop...
[05:48] <ReMixx> weird
[05:49] <vidd> not really...it is way less to load
[05:49] <ReMixx> that must be it
[05:49] <vidd> so all is well and good in your wold?
[05:49] <ReMixx> it appears so!
[05:49] <ReMixx> now to set up some things
[05:50] <ReMixx> i assume anything that works on ubuntu will work on xubuntu?
[05:50] <vidd> sure
[05:50] <vidd> they both have the same repo's
[05:50] <ReMixx> awesome
[05:50] <vidd> feel free to recommend my site to your friends...and pass that disk around!
[05:51] <ReMixx> why would you encourage passing the disk around?
[05:51] <ReMixx> but i will
[05:51] <vidd> so that we can fight bug #1
[05:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[05:51] <vidd> !bug 1
[05:51] <ReMixx> oooh
[05:51] <ReMixx> rofl
[05:52] <vidd> as a side note....
[05:52] <vidd> i will be changing the name of that download folder from /test to /downloads
[05:52] <ReMixx> ah
[05:53] <ReMixx> if anything i'll just give them the net installer.iso
[05:53] <vidd> not going to recomend my site?
[05:53] <vidd> =[
[05:53] <ReMixx> lol sure i will
[05:54] <ReMixx> what's the address again
[05:54] <vidd> i have all kinds of goodies there
[05:54] <vidd> vidd.homelinux.net:8080/downloads
[05:55] <ReMixx> ok i bookmarked it
[05:55] <vidd> maybe throw together some tutorials and articles
[05:55] <ReMixx> lol good luck with that
[05:55] <vidd> =] 
[05:55] <ReMixx> that would be really helpful
[05:56] <vidd> if i only knew html.......
[05:56] <ReMixx> lol
[05:56] <ReMixx> how do i add repositories to xubuntu?
[05:56] <vidd> in command line or via synaptic?
[05:57] <vidd> (it is the same as ubuntu)
[05:57] <ReMixx> uh i was going by some tutorial that said to go to system>administration>software properties
[05:57] <ReMixx> ah i found it in xubuntu
[05:57] <ReMixx> software sources
[05:57] <ReMixx> figures
[05:59] <vidd> ha...i just go to terminal and type "sudo [preferred text editor...i use pico]  etc/apt/sources.list
[05:59] <ReMixx> ah yeah
[06:00] <vidd> just uncomment, and viola! save and exit, sudo apt-get update....done
[06:01] <ReMixx> there wasn't anything in sources.list
[06:01] <ReMixx> to uncomment
[06:01] <vidd> of course not...you did the net install...it auto-selects ALL repo's
[06:01] <ReMixx> oh
[06:01] <ReMixx> so i'm set then
[06:02] <vidd> the entire repo collection is available
[06:02] <vidd> yep
[06:02] <vidd> and im off to hit the rack
[06:02] <ReMixx> do you know where to find the enable xdmcp button?
[06:02] <vidd> yeah....
[06:02] <ReMixx> need ot do that for vnc
[06:03] <vidd> applications>settings>login window
[06:04] <ReMixx> k...
[06:04] <ReMixx> don't see it in there
[06:06] <vidd> hmmmm....then i dont know where it would be...or if it is even available for xfce
[06:06] <vidd> but this is where you set the timed login...and that is the same place what you are looking for is in Ubuntu....
[06:07] <ReMixx> so i need to enable timed login?
[06:07] <vidd> so that is beyond my experience...and i have no idea what it even is!
[06:07] <ReMixx> lol ok, thanks anyway hehe
[06:08] <vidd> no....VIDD needs to enable timed logins because the old lady is NEVER getting the password for my account, and she cant remember her own
[06:08] <ReMixx> lol
[06:08] <ReMixx> ok i found it
[06:08] <vidd> awesome....where is it [so i can tell the next guyu
[06:08] <ReMixx> in the login window, remote tab, have to select something other than login disabled
[06:08] <ReMixx> like plain
[06:08] <ReMixx> and then it shows up on the bottom
[06:08] <ReMixx> "Configure XDMCP"
[06:10] <vidd> ah...so i WAS right...just it is not showing by default
[06:10] <vidd> what IS XDMCP?
[06:10] <ReMixx> beats me lol
[06:11] <ReMixx> i just know you need to go in there and uncheck something for vnc to work
[06:12] <ReMixx> lol
[06:12] <ReMixx> good luck figuring it out
[06:12] <vidd> well the bed is calling me....
[06:12] <vidd> see ya around?
[06:12] <ReMixx> it called me a couple hours ago
[06:12] <ReMixx> maybe, if i need help ;)
[06:12] <ReMixx> thanks again vidd, you saved my xubuntu life lol
[06:13] <vidd> lol
[06:13] <vidd> night
[06:13] <ReMixx> good night
[06:47] <artabrahao> HI, I have a ubuntu installed and want to share some folders with windows 2003 server.
[06:52] <crdlb> !samba
[06:52] <crdlb> !!samba
[06:52] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:56] <artabrahao> I installed samba, and the windows see the mshome workgrouo, ping the server when I type \\ubuntu\folder from a window, it does not work
[07:25] <sigmamu188> dose anyone know how to change the permissions for the usage of a command
[07:25] <sigmamu188> ie the shutdown command
[07:25] <sigmamu188> so that you dont have to type sudo  shutdown now
[07:25] <sigmamu188> and enter a pw
[07:27] <sigmamu188> i tried changing the ownersuip and user for /sbin/shutdown
[07:29] <sigmamu188> is /sbin/shutdown the command i need to change the permission of
[07:29] <Pumpernickel> sigmamu188: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/NonRootShutdown
[07:35] <T`> anyone here know how to select the default audio card to use?
[07:35] <T`> i have a usb headset and normal soundcard
[07:35] <T`> i would like to switch between both..
[07:53] <artabrahao> in ubuntu I can see mshome workgroup But  cant see the server, and from microsoft network is the same
[08:14] <silent_> I'm having partition issues with the xubuntu installation outlined here w/ a screenshot: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=454679
[08:16] <Catoptromancy> I find alternate CD much easier to partition
[08:17] <silent_> I tried the alternative and got the same result
[08:17] <Catoptromancy> I tried with live CD many times
[08:17] <silent_> the post indicates that
[08:17] <Catoptromancy> Live CD didnt seem to have the option
[08:17] <Catoptromancy> Alternate is there for Fiesty?
[08:17] <Jester45> silent_: what type is the partition you might not have any read access
[08:18] <silent_> all of the partitions
[08:18] <silent_> none of them show in the installer
[08:18] <Jester45> Catoptromancy: did you look at the link?
[08:18] <Catoptromancy> I saw screenshot
[08:18] <Catoptromancy> I saw same thing when tried to install
[08:18] <Catoptromancy> Alternate CD much easier to get around
[08:18] <silent_> is it a problem with sata drives?
[08:18] <Jester45> silent_: what filesystem is on there
[08:19] <silent_> multiple
[08:19] <Jester45> any fat or linux compatible?
[08:19] <silent_> 1 is ntfs, 2 is ext3, 3 is ntfs, 4 is... not sure, and 5 is swap
[08:19] <Jester45> ok never mind then
[08:20] <silent_> why doesn't the installer run as root or use the same functions to access the drive as fdisk does?
[08:20] <Jester45> can you mount it?
[08:20] <silent_> yep
[08:20] <silent_> I can mount anything as root
[08:20] <T`> you guys know how to select the default sound card for alsa?
[08:20] <silent_> and make it accessible to users
[08:20] <T`> i have two devices
[08:20] <Jester45> run the installer root
[08:20] <Jester45> as root
[08:21] <silent_> I tried, using the gui, could you give me the proper command to run it?
[08:21] <Jester45> nope not with out booting to a live cd
[08:22] <Jester45> can you try open a terminal and draging the icon into it
[08:22] <T`> Jester45, any idea about my question?
[08:22] <silent_> I think I've tried that.... here, I'll boot into live, brb
[08:22] <Jester45> T`: nope i have problems with sound my self
[08:22] <T`> Jester45, oh.. like?
[08:23] <Jester45> T`: like nothing on the system can control my card, all the mixers give me the same volume output at 0% or 100%
[08:24] <Jester45> i cant turn off any channel
[08:24] <Jester45> but im glad it just works
[08:25] <Jester45> when i first went from windows to linux i had a modem/sound card frankenstein
[08:25] <T`> oh
[08:25] <T`> did you select the right card when you using the mixer?
[08:25] <T`> and does it work with alsamixer?
[08:25] <Jester45> yea and no
[08:25] <Jester45> i only have 1 card
[08:26] <Jester45> and alsamixer didnt help
[08:27] <T`> hmm strange
[08:27] <T`> what does it say?
[08:28] <Jester45> does nt say anything
[08:28] <Jester45> it thinks it worked
[08:29] <T`> so you change vol and it shows that vol
[08:29] <T`> but your sound still stays the same?
[08:29] <Jester45> if u change it from 0 to 100
[08:29] <T`> what about 0 to 25?
[08:29] <Jester45> the sound stays the same
[08:29] <Jester45> same
[08:29] <Jester45> or 50 to 0 is the same
[08:30] <Jester45> and when i restart and look the volume is the same as i set it
[08:32] <silent_> ok Jester45, I'm in live on Gaim
[08:32] <Jester45> did you try dragging the icon?
[08:32] <silent_> doing it now
[08:33] <silent_> nothing
[08:33] <silent_> no partitions shown
[08:34] <Jester45> so you ran it as root?
[08:34] <silent_> afaik
[08:37] <Jester45> i dont know them
[08:37] <Jester45> then
[08:37] <silent_> ugh, I've done this before, that's what's so annoying
[08:38] <silent_> I actually have an edgy installation on it, but I want a fresh install
[08:39] <silent_> I'll try the alternate cd again
[08:59] <silent_> Jester45, I tried the alternative cd in OEM and text mode. Same thing. I was able to alt out to another shell and I could see the partitions with fdisk -l... I'm about ready to give up
[09:08] <silent_> hmm, apparently this is a somewhat common problem
[09:34] <octoberdan> silent_: I'd suggest posting on the Forums
[09:34] <octoberdan> ubuntuforums.org
[09:44] <Eagle_101> anyone have a clue on what is the minimum amount of harddrive space you need for xubuntu (all I see the the minumum RAM)
[09:45] <TheSheep> Eagle_101: about 1.5-2 GB
[09:45] <TheSheep> Eagle_101: depends on what you install
[09:46] <Eagle_101> ok
[09:46] <Eagle_101> thanks
[09:46] <hyper_ch> silent_: can you pastebin the results of sudo fdisk -l ?
[09:47] <hyper_ch> Eagle_101: but I would give it a bit more than just 2gb
[09:48] <TheSheep> especially if you plan on upgrading via natwork
[09:48] <TheSheep> network
[09:49] <Eagle_101> yeah I'm sure, I'm trying to help someone who wants to install this
[09:49] <Eagle_101> needed a barebones minimum ;)
[09:50] <Eagle_101> thanks folks :D
[09:52] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: do you know why X uses like 30% cpu?
[09:54] <Eagle_101> it should not
[09:55] <Eagle_101> (at least not on gentoo)
[09:56] <hyper_ch> I know it shouldn't but sometimes it does for no reason
[10:05] <Catoptromancy> theres a reason
[10:06] <Catoptromancy> use process manager to see exactly what program is doing it
[10:06] <Catoptromancy> I have a CPU graph on my panel, in case I dont hear my PC humming
[10:08] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: I'm uploading a screenshot
[10:09] <Catoptromancy> ohh X in the process manager is 30%?
[10:09] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: http://www.roleplayer.org/x.png
[10:10] <Catoptromancy> forgot what command did that
[10:10] <Catoptromancy> mem something
[10:11] <hyper_ch> ???
[10:11] <Catoptromancy> bash command to list processes?
[10:11] <hyper_ch> top
[10:11] <hyper_ch> or rather htop on that screenshot
[10:11] <Catoptromancy> I had shell that did a few at once
[10:12] <Catoptromancy> cool I used a different command
[10:12] <Catoptromancy> for something similar
[10:12] <Catoptromancy> htop isnt installed but top works
[10:12] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: did you have a look at the screenshot?
[10:13] <Catoptromancy> im looking
[10:14] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running Xfce 4.4.0, CPU: AMD Sempron 2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), HD: 297/897GB, RAM: 996/1010MB, 163 proc's, 2.14d up
[10:17] <Catoptromancy> interesting
[10:17] <Catoptromancy> what program did you start rgiht before cpu graph went red?
[10:17] <hyper_ch> none
[10:19] <Catoptromancy> when did you upgrade xfce?
[10:19] <Catoptromancy> im using 4.0
[10:19] <hyper_ch> using feisty
[10:20] <hyper_ch> hence 4.4
[10:20] <Catoptromancy> hmm I should have 4.4 then
[10:21] <crdlb>  !version
[10:21] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[10:22] <Catoptromancy> No LSB modules are available.
[10:23] <hyper_ch> anyway, gotta go to universe
[10:23] <Catoptromancy> well im clueless
[10:23] <hyper_ch> university I mean
[10:23] <hyper_ch> well, it just happens somteims and I still didn't figure out why and when
[10:24] <crdlb> Catoptromancy, are you sure you have xfce 4.0?
[10:25] <Catoptromancy> 2.6.20-15-generic
[10:25] <Catoptromancy> Release 4.0
[10:25] <Catoptromancy> in sysinfo
[10:25] <crdlb> ok that's feisty
[10:26] <crdlb> dpkg -l|grep xfce4
[10:26] <crdlb> or maybe: apt-cache policy xfce4
[10:27] <Catoptromancy>   Candidate: 4.3.99.1
[10:27] <Catoptromancy>   Version table:
[10:27] <Catoptromancy>      4.3.99.1 0
[10:27] <Catoptromancy> 4.3.99 is pretty close to 4.4
[10:27] <Catoptromancy> heh
[10:28] <crdlb> yep that's right
[10:28] <crdlb>  !info xfce4 feisty
[10:28] <ubotu> xfce4: meta-package for xfce4 dependencies. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.3.99.1 (feisty), package size 4 kB, installed size 48 kB
[10:28] <sigmamu188> Pumpernickel: finally got it
[10:28] <sigmamu188> ended up having to create a group
[10:28] <Catoptromancy> aptitude update xfce4 ?
[10:28] <sigmamu188> and write some scripts
[10:29] <sigmamu188> first time i have ever writen a script for my os
[10:29] <crdlb> Catoptromancy, I'm pretty sure you're ok
[10:29] <sigmamu188> i thik im totally in love with linux now
[10:29] <Catoptromancy> wow heh, I just ran update manager
[10:30] <Catoptromancy> im totally behind
[10:30] <Catoptromancy> think i did it last week
[10:58] <`s`> how do you look what arch you are on up on windows?
[11:01] <predaeus> what arch?
[11:07] <kalikiana_> `s`, I believe it's right-click on My Computer and select Properties.. somewhere in there.
[11:09] <`s`> kalikiana_, yeah same problem here O.o
[11:09] <`s`> thanks
[11:09] <kalikiana_> :)
[11:35] <sigmamu188> arch?
[11:54] <`s`> sigmamu188, archtype
[11:55] <`s`> i386 , i686 etc
[11:55] <sigmamu188> oops
 sigmamu188, archtype
 i386 , i686 etc
[11:55] <sigmamu188> what is that?
[11:55] <sigmamu188> the dog was laying on the keyboard
[11:56] <`s`> its the type of system architecture
[11:56] <`s`> you heard of the 64 bit computers?
[11:56] <sigmamu188> how do you see that?
[11:56] <sigmamu188> yea
[11:56] <`s`> no clue in windows
[11:56] <`s`> just run lspci to get it in linux if I'm right
[11:57] <sigmamu188> im not sure how to decifer all that data
[11:57] <sigmamu188> lol
[11:58] <`s`> heh :)
[11:58] <predaeus> on linux you can also run  "file program" on a system binary to get a hint
[11:58] <sigmamu188> what dose that data mean s's
[11:59] <predaeus> like "file ls"
[11:59] <`s`> its the differt sort of devices you have on your computer
[11:59] <sigmamu188> okk
[11:59] <sigmamu188> that makes sense
[11:59] <`s`> 05:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[11:59] <`s`> thats my wireless controller
[11:59] <`s`> sigmamu188, don't mind me I'm on gentoo linux >.>
[12:00] <sigmamu188> and the 05.02.0 is the address
[12:00] <`s`> you don't even see this stuff on xubuntu
[12:00] <sigmamu188> in the buss
[12:00] <sigmamu188> on the buss
[12:01] <sigmamu188> i dont know how to say what i mean
[12:03] <sigmamu188> is that the card address
[12:03] <sigmamu188> !gentoo
[12:03] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[12:04] <sigmamu188> `s`:  whats the perks of that
[12:05] <`s`> sigmamu188, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_linux
[12:05] <`s`> sigmamu188, you don't want to use it unless you are interested in the setup
[12:05] <`s`> it took me 2 days to correctly configure it and get a GUI up
[12:06] <sigmamu188> so why are you in a xubuntu chatroom
[12:06] <sigmamu188> lol
[12:06] <`s`> sigmamu188, I used to have xubuntu :)
[12:07] <`s`> and I'm helping someone set it up
[12:07] <sigmamu188> thats cool
[12:07] <sigmamu188> i just tonight wrote my first linux script
[12:08] <`s`> :)
[12:08] <sigmamu188> i  was making my log out easier
[12:08] <sigmamu188> it was a pain in the ass
[12:08] <`s`> heh
[12:08] <sigmamu188> i had to edit visudo
[12:09] <`s`> so what text editor did you use :P
[12:09] <sigmamu188> im just now hitting 3 monts of solid linux use
[12:09] <sigmamu188> mousepad
[12:09] <`s`> O.o
[12:09] <`s`> to write a script!
[12:09] <sigmamu188> yes
[12:09] <sigmamu188> lol
[12:09] <sigmamu188> what should i use
[12:09] <`s`> no line numbers
[12:09] <`s`> sigmamu188, I won't tell you
[12:09] <sigmamu188> it was a super simple script
[12:09] <sigmamu188> lol
[12:09] <sigmamu188> ok
[12:09] <sigmamu188> fair enough
[12:09] <`s`> why, because everyone has their own ideas
[12:10] <sigmamu188> im used to c++ i did that a few years back
[12:10] <`s`> I could say use vim, which is what I use, but you  might find emacs, kate, or any number of other text editors better
[12:10] <sigmamu188> i just needed a simple script though
[12:10] <`s`> :)
[12:13] <sigmamu188> my next project is to setup a DNS and network with all my computers on linux and have roaming profiles
[12:13] <sigmamu188> baby steps for now
[12:18] <sigmamu188> night guys
[12:57] <MrC> hello dear fellows
[01:00] <MrC> anyone in here?
[01:34] <Ramla> We're all somewhat here
[01:34] <Ramla> But you aren't..
[01:59] <pastorn> how do i change the gamma settings of one monitor but not the other
[01:59] <pastorn> the gamma line i xorg.conf doesn't help :/
[01:59] <pastorn> i'm using a dual head GF7600 GS card with the glx driver
[01:59] <hyper_ch> pastorn: did you restart x after having altered xorg.conf?
[02:01] <pastorn> hehe.. yes?
[02:01] <pastorn> Section "Monitor"
[02:01] <pastorn> 	Identifier	"left"
[02:01] <pastorn> 	Option		"DPMS"
[02:01] <pastorn> 	Horizsync	30.0-130.0
[02:01] <pastorn> 	Vertrefresh	50-160
[02:01] <pastorn> 	DisplaySize	4000 3000
[02:01] <pastorn> 	Gamma	0.6	1.15	1.85
[02:02] <pastorn> EndSection
[02:02] <pastorn> that does nothing for me...
[02:08] <hyper_ch> pastorn: did you restart x after having altered xorg.conf?
[02:08] <pastorn> yes, of course
[02:10] <pastorn> @paste
[02:12] <pastorn> anyone here knows how to use xgamma?
[02:12] <pastorn> with dual view
[02:36] <kumamoto> pastorn: have u messed up your gamma settings
[02:39] <pastorn> no, i have two monitors and one is borken
[02:41] <kumamoto> pastorn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22568/
[02:42] <kumamoto> don't know if that is going to help
[02:46] <pastorn> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22569/
[03:08] <Deviad> can anyone pls tell me how not to get this error: configure: error: cannot find QuickTime headers
[03:08] <Deviad>  ?
[03:17] <kumamoto> !quicktime
[03:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:27] <gl_> hi, can somebody tell me if when running a xubuntu install and a router (linksys) also is necessary to run a firewall?
[03:33] <ZenDJiNN> It's not really necessary no.
[03:40] <gl_> Thanks!
[03:40] <Merchelo> win mov 7
[03:40] <Merchelo> bah
[03:43] <redmonkey> huh
[03:59] <Deviad> hey, is there any place to set -j permanently for compiling with gcc?
[03:59] <Deviad> it doesn't use the 2 cores for compiling but just one by default
[03:59] <Deviad> how can I fix this?
[04:02] <Catoptromancy> I think for one process , it will only use 1 core
[04:02] <Catoptromancy> I been flat lining cpu meter at 50% for an hour
[04:03] <Deviad> in gentoo if you set -j 3 or 4 it uses the two cores
[04:03] <Deviad> so since that's a gcc option... I'm wondering where to put it in ubuntu
[04:03] <Catoptromancy> Well if you do one thing at a time it would be useful
[04:03] <Catoptromancy> Im guessing in the make file
[04:03] <Deviad> where is it located?
[04:04] <Catoptromancy> or maybe make -j
[04:04] <Catoptromancy> where all make files are
[04:52] <JJNova> 'ello fellow xubuntu users!
[05:00] <Jester45> anyone know the name of the firefox alternative? its lighter weight
[05:00] <JJNova> Does anyone know how to eleminate the items from the launcher that have already been deleted?
[05:00] <Jester45> they should auto remove
[05:01] <Jester45> o do you mean
[05:01] <Jester45> the panel applets? right click and remove
[05:01] <JJNova> No no
[05:02] <JJNova> I mean, Under Applications I have a section called "Other"
[05:02] <JJNova> and it's got launchers to applications that aren't there
[05:02] <JJNova> Specifically, Applications that were ran with WINE, but WINE has since been removed as I only used it to test some programs
[05:07] <Catoptromancy> I totally hate that
[05:08] <Catoptromancy> /usr/share/applications/
[05:08] <Catoptromancy> there are file named .desktop
[05:09] <Catoptromancy> NoDisplay=true
[05:09] <Catoptromancy> at bottom of .desktop for item you want gone
[05:09] <Catoptromancy> well not displayed
[05:09] <Catoptromancy> horribly annoying
[05:09] <Catoptromancy> I had to do that to each wine menu, since I only run wine for terminal
[05:10] <Catoptromancy> from
[05:10] <JJNova> I'm not seeing .desktop
[05:12] <Catoptromancy> ls
[05:12] <Catoptromancy> sudo mousepad filename.desktop
[05:13] <JJNova> heh. The items I want removed aren't listed.
[05:13] <JJNova> That's just great.
[05:14] <Catoptromancy> #winehq
[05:14] <JJNova> Thanks
[05:19] <Catoptromancy> we got same problem
[05:19] <Catoptromancy> wine decides to make shortcuts
[05:19] <Catoptromancy> even though every program I ever ran with wine I used terminal with my own custom shells
[05:19] <JJNova> I don't use custom shells, but I launch the installers and programs form Terminal
[05:19] <JJNova> And that's what I have, is that screenshot
[05:20] <darrend> anyone know why I might get the folowing output from e2fsck on an unmounted partition..?
[05:20] <darrend> e2fsck: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda1
[05:20] <darrend> Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program?
[05:20] <darrend> how do I tell what's using it?
[05:21] <Catoptromancy> JJNova, seems we have a problem with Window Manager, I have no idea where it is.
[05:21] <JJNova> X ?
[05:21] <Catoptromancy> WM he called it
[05:22] <Catoptromancy> he knows about it , but wont even say where it is
[05:22] <Catoptromancy> or what is does...
[05:22] <JJNova> Yeah, but he didn't seem like he wanted to be too friendly with you. >.<
[05:36] <redmonkey> is there a way to minimize certain programs (like audacious) to the systray?
[05:41] <topcat1027> hi, can somebody help me? i just finished downloading automatix and when i try to open it says "error, synaptic is running, please close synaptic and restart automatix"
[05:41] <topcat1027> only i dont know what synaptic is or how to close it
[05:42] <redmonkey> topcat1027: synaptic is a package manager
[05:43] <crdlb> !automatix
[05:43] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:44] <topcat1027> oh ok
[05:44] <topcat1027> well how do install the flash and java updates for firefox
[05:44] <topcat1027> because on regular ubuntu i think i just used automatix
[05:46] <Jester45> !flash
[05:46] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[05:46] <Jester45> !java
[05:46] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[05:47] <Jester45> :) bots are good
[05:47] <topcat1027> i was about to ask if that was a bot, haha
[05:47] <topcat1027> so if i type in exlamation then something
[05:47] <topcat1027> the bot will tell me whats up?
[05:47] <Jester45> it will try
[05:47] <topcat1027> cool, thanks
[05:47] <crdlb> and you can test it in /msg
[05:48] <JJNova> !delete empty laucnhers that wine left behind when uninstalling programs
[05:48] <JJNova> It was worth a shot.
[05:48] <Catoptromancy> heh
[05:48] <topcat1027> ya rly
[05:48] <Catoptromancy> im googling up nothing for it
[05:48] <redmonkey> !google
[05:48] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[05:49] <JJNova> I used desktop search to hopefully find a reference to one of the files
[05:49] <Catoptromancy> I spent more time removing crap from wine than installing and getting to work right
[05:49] <JJNova> No luck on my end
[05:49] <Catoptromancy> In the same "other" menu I also winecfg, winenotepad
[05:50] <Catoptromancy> wineminesweeper a few other useless program I would never use anyway
[05:50] <Catoptromancy> but the .desktop trick worked
[05:50] <Catoptromancy> but took so very long for something trivial
[05:52] <JJNova> I'll navigate back in there, but I'm positive none of my leftovers were located there
[05:53] <JJNova> Yeah, no such luck
[05:55] <JJNova> Heh. Go figure. The one time the right-click 'properties' feature of Microsoft Windows would od been handy.
[05:56] <Catoptromancy> there is some cfg file somewhere
[05:56] <Catoptromancy> for Xfce
[07:11] <JJNova> I give up
[07:12] <JJNova> At least until the problem begins to annoy me more than the solution agian
[07:12] <hyper_ch> JJNova: what problem?
[07:12] <Catoptromancy> ya i let ine go for a week
[07:12] <Catoptromancy> let mine
[07:13] <JJNova> hyper_ch:  Removing some left over launchers after the software is removed.
[07:13] <JJNova> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/jjnova/app_other.png   <-- See image.
[07:13] <Catoptromancy> install a program with wine, it makes menu, remove program, broken menu still there
[07:13] <loswillios> hey
[07:13] <Catoptromancy> someone in #winehq said it was the Window Manager
[07:14] <JJNova> Hello loswillios
[07:14] <hyper_ch> yes, it's the xfce menu
[07:15] <Catoptromancy> ive looked everywhere on how to fix that
[07:16] <Catoptromancy> maybe I should post a bug report on wine site about Xfce
[07:16] <JJNova> Couldn't hurt.
[07:16] <Catoptromancy> or maybe the bug is Xfce
[07:16] <loswillios> Uh i just got this numlockx thing to work
[07:17] <JJNova> Either way, I can't find any reference to them in the filesystem, although I'm sure it's there
[07:17] <loswillios> although I reckon it's not the best way to put it in .bashrc
[07:17] <JJNova> I just hit the Num Lock key....
[07:18] <loswillios> JJNova: well, I do not. :)
[07:20] <Catoptromancy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/50784
[07:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50784 in wine "wine destroys xfce-menu" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[07:20] <loswillios> hmpf
[07:21] <JJNova> Catoptromancy:  Are you going to expand on that report ?
[07:21] <Catoptromancy> I guess
[07:21] <Catoptromancy> a bit busy right now
[07:21] <Catoptromancy> sometime today
[07:24] <JJNova> <3 or whatever the cool kids are doing today to say, "Thanks"
[07:27] <Catoptromancy> That seems more like A wine bug I think
[07:29] <Catoptromancy> A way around this mess, is to install in windows and just copy the files directly over
[07:29] <Catoptromancy> no setup.exe or install
[07:29] <Catoptromancy> swap files
[07:31] <JJNova> I suppose, if I wanted a dual boot system.
[07:31] <JJNova> Looks like I might just be doing that though
[07:31] <JJNova> of course, then I might as well run the program in windows
[07:31] <Catoptromancy> yup
[07:31] <Catoptromancy> I duel boot mostly cause wine doesnt work on a few programs I need
[07:33] <JJNova> I'm looking to do Dual boot just to stream video on a website, and using FLV since Ogg Theora's only option is Cortado, and it's not very useful.
[07:34] <JJNova> And I'm much faster in Paintshop Pro than I am in GIMP, but that's just a matter of familiarizing myself with some software I haven't been using for years.
[07:34] <Jester45> or use adobe photoshop its fun and CS3 is kinda new
[07:35] <JJNova> I've used Photoshop, but I have the same issues with it that I have with the GIMP.... I'm just not familiar with it's layout.
[07:36] <Jester45> i like photoshops over the gimp
[07:36] <Jester45> i think becuase the gimp has diffrent windows
[07:36] <JJNova> Been using Paintshop Pro for so long, it's similar to when a long time MS Windows user complains about Ubuntu complexity, when in actuality, things are just done slightly different. (Synaptic, Add/Remove, etc.)
[07:36] <Jester45> it gets con fusing
[07:37] <JJNova> Yeah, there's a version of GIMP that puts it all in a container and makes the layout mimic Photoshop
[07:37] <JJNova> Which is great if you are trying to make that switch.
[07:38] <Jester45> i dont so much in them i just play around with photos or as school when im bored i try to make icons or copy peoples and change them
[07:39] <JJNova> heh. Photoshop the girl next to you onto a body of Keira Knightley... I ujnderstand
[07:39] <Jester45> im having 2 problems that i cant seem to figure out why they are happening
[07:39] <Catoptromancy> JJNova, gimpshop, skins the gimp too look and similar menus to photoshop
[07:40] <Catoptromancy> oh heh
[07:40] <Catoptromancy> didnt read up
[07:40] <Jester45> 1) i cant copy a dvd to iso it give me a I/O error and 2) alsa has no control over my sound card :( vol+/- doesnt do anything
[07:41] <Catoptromancy> what kind of DVD?
[07:41] <Jester45> video
[07:41] <Catoptromancy> hmmm
[07:41] <Jester45> i dont want to watch it just copy it
[07:41] <Catoptromancy> what software?
[07:42] <Jester45> diffrent ones i would like a cli one
[07:42] <Catoptromancy> k3b tell me exactly what the error is
[07:42] <hyper_ch> Jester45: can't "dd" make an iso?
[07:42] <Catoptromancy> "encrypted DVD" cant copy
[07:42] <Jester45> i have a machine that is headless i have 5 dvd drives on it and i have been using it to burn disc but i did a fresh instal and lost my script to so it
[07:43] <Catoptromancy> instead of just an vague error
[07:43] <Catoptromancy> hmmm
[07:43] <Catoptromancy> dunno about that then
[07:43] <Jester45> so a simple ssh in would be nice
[07:44] <Jester45> could it be that i dont have libdvdcss
[07:45] <JJNova> STOP PIRATING MOVIES!
[07:45] <Jester45> THEY ARE MY DVDS THAT I WANT A BACK UP OF
[07:45] <JJNova> 5 copies at a time? Wow. Let me get one.
[07:45] <JJNova> :)
[07:47] <Jester45> i saw on a website a 13 dvd drive tower it had 1 button on it to copy from the top drive to the other 12 at the same time
[07:47] <Jester45> load it up, press button, wait a bit, done
[07:48] <hyper_ch> JJNova: here it's legal to give copies to family members and close friends
[07:48] <Catoptromancy> wheres here?
[07:48] <hyper_ch> Catoptromancy: CH
[07:48] <Catoptromancy> CH?
[07:49] <hyper_ch> yes, in CH
[07:49] <Jester45> hehe "close friends" could mean people you kinda sorta never met in person
[07:49] <Jester45> what it stand for
[07:49] <loswillios> is there a small browser for xubuntu available that can store passwords?
[07:49] <loswillios> firefox is too bloated for this system :/
[07:49] <hyper_ch> Jester45: no, you  have to konw this people to a certain degree... but it doesn't require to have met those
[07:49] <hyper_ch> CH --> Confoederatio Helvetica
[07:50] <Jester45> and where is that
[07:50] <hyper_ch> loswillios: how about Opera?
[07:50] <Jester45> south america?
[07:50] <hyper_ch> Jester45: hmmm, you are smart, you can find out if you reall want to know
[07:50] <loswillios> hyper_ch: uhm
[07:50] <Jester45> i could... but im to lazy
[07:51] <hyper_ch> then there is a challenge... what is bigger? the curiosity or the laziness?
[07:51] <Jester45> so... anyone know hwo to kill a zombie process?
[07:51] <j1mc> hyper_ch: how's the weather in switzerland?  :)
[07:51] <hyper_ch> Jester45: rebooting
[07:51] <loswillios> hyper_ch: i thought more of open-source software
[07:52] <Jester45> my laziness is way bigger than anything else i got :)
[07:52] <hyper_ch> loswillios: well, mozilla browser isn't in the repos anymore in feisty...
[07:52] <loswillios> hyper_ch: how so?
[07:52] <hyper_ch> j1mc: quite good actually... just a bit too hot
[07:52] <hyper_ch> loswillios: because it's not anymore included
[07:53] <loswillios> hyper_ch: and which is the default now?
[07:53] <hyper_ch> firefox 2
[07:53] <loswillios> ...
[07:53] <loswillios> that's too bloated, I already told you
[07:54] <hyper_ch> then get one without password manager
[07:54] <Jester45> firefox 3
[07:54] <hyper_ch> portable firefox?
[07:54] <loswillios> I was more thinking of galeon / epiphany
[07:55] <loswillios> but I don't know if they can store passwords
[07:55] <JJNova> THere are lightweight versions of Opera
[07:55] <hyper_ch> loswillios: download and thest them
[07:55] <Jester45> OOOO... i know its dillo + piece of paper
[07:55] <Jester45> o and a pen
[07:55] <hyper_ch> http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable
[07:56] <JJNova> Or use a text browser, unless that's not an option for you either.
[07:58] <spaceraver> hi, got a bit of a problem here
[07:58] <JJNova> What is it ?
[07:58] <spaceraver> i have 3 harddrives, 1 ide and 2 sata..
[07:59] <hyper_ch> having 3 harddrives is not a problem :)
[07:59] <hyper_ch> I have 4 :)
[07:59] <hyper_ch> (and a 5th for which I havne't space left)
[08:00] <JJNova> I can't hook up more than three.
[08:00] <Jester45> gigabit network storage it hyper_ch
[08:00] <JJNova> Although, this month xubuntu stopped recognizing 3 of them. :'(
[08:00] <hyper_ch> Jester45: it's only a 60gb drive
[08:00] <Jester45> and...
[08:01] <spaceraver> when installing i have chosen to use a seperate /boot and it's residing on the same hdd as i want to install xubuntu on.. partitions are as follows: sda is an Ide drive and has seperate /, /boot and /home partitions plus 2 gb swap
[08:02] <spaceraver> that leaves sdb and sdc which are ntfs..
[08:03] <spaceraver> in the end of the installer i can click advanced and set where the boot loader should be.. but that says hd0 and not sda
[08:03] <hyper_ch> hem... isn't it hdX and sdX in feisty? you say ide and sata are all sdX
[08:03] <spaceraver> that what is listed as..
[08:03] <Jester45> the ide should be hdX
[08:03] <spaceraver> yes
[08:04] <spaceraver> which is why i cant get my head around to why is says sdX
[08:04] <Jester45> are you using the live cd
[08:05] <spaceraver> yep
[08:05] <spaceraver> the first thing i did when i got to the desktop was unmounting everything
[08:05] <Jester45> does anyone agree with me that the live cd installer has a lot of bugs?
[08:06] <spaceraver> but that is just as far as correct labels
[08:06] <hyper_ch> well, I tend to say feisty has still some issues with hdX/sdX
[08:06] <Jester45> there have been a lot of other things wrong with it
[08:07] <hyper_ch> well, I noticed that problem first with herd 3... luckily TheSheep helped me then
[08:08] <spaceraver> try getting gentto installed.. that is a pita without ending
[08:08] <Jester45> i used to ask TheSheep a lot of questions, i think he hates me now
[08:09] <spaceraver> got sick of compiling it after the 5th time it refused
[08:09] <hyper_ch> I also bugged him and then always this offtopic talks initiated by me in here... amazingly I ahven't been banned yet from the channel
[08:09] <Jester45> i have been 2 times
[08:09] <hyper_ch> what did you do?
[08:09] <Jester45> thats a long story
[08:09] <hyper_ch> Jester45: I think you've helped me also a few times
[08:09] <spaceraver> i have been banned a month fron #ubuntu
[08:09] <hyper_ch> well, you can start with it :)
[08:10] <hyper_ch> I've never been in #ubuntu
[08:10] <hyper_ch> I get banned on a regular base from #php
[08:10] <Jester45> well... i will take it to #xubuntu-offtopic
[08:10] <spaceraver> explicit language on freenode is apparently a nono
[08:11] <hyper_ch> what's explicit language?
[08:11] <JJNova> I was kicked form Ubuntu
[08:12] <JJNova> Because I guess a comment I made could of been taken as "attacking" or "offensive". Although I helped some 20 odd people in the hour previous.
[08:12] <JJNova> :'(
[08:36] <Zvezdichko> hello there
[08:36] <Jester45> hi
[08:37] <Zvezdichko> I've just installed Feisty and it's my first try of Xubuntu
[08:37] <Jester45> cool
[08:37] <Jester45> you like it?
[08:37] <Zvezdichko> awesome.
[08:38] <Zvezdichko> but I wonder whether it will be possible to install kde as a second desktop
[08:38] <Zvezdichko> ;)
[08:38] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko: yes
[08:38] <hyper_ch> open a terminal and enter this:
[08:38] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop  ---> that will download  a few hunder megabytes of data
[08:39] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko: and make sure, you don't replace gdm with kdm... you will be asked if you want to use kdm... say no there
[08:39] <Zvezdichko> yes, I know this but will this keep the Xfce?
[08:39] <Jester45> yes i will
[08:39] <Jester45> it*
[08:39] <Jester45> you have a session to choose when you log in ether xfce or kde
[08:39] <JJNova> Yeah, when you log in, click on SESSION and you can choose which desktop environment to log in as
[08:40] <Zvezdichko> great... but later, I have to find some other stuff... for example skype binaries for ubuntu:)
[08:40] <JJNova> Skypeis the devil.
[08:40] <JJNova> I mean, cool.
[08:40] <Zvezdichko> downloading with average 50 kb/sec will make a whole night download for kde
[08:40] <Zvezdichko> :)
[08:40] <hyper_ch> too bad it's not an open protocol
[08:40] <hyper_ch> !skype
[08:40] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[08:41] <Zvezdichko> i wonder why this is not in multiverse...
[08:41] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko: because it's closed source
[08:42] <Zvezdichko> isn't multiverse supposed to be for closed source projects
[08:42] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko: not sure... well, maybe skype objected to have it included in outside repos
[08:43] <Zvezdichko> it's strange because debian for example has skype binaries
[08:44] <JJNova> It's because in recent hours, it has been universally decided that Skype is evil. ;)
[08:44] <Zvezdichko> hahahahah lol
[08:44] <hyper_ch> skype is evil
[08:45] <Zvezdichko> I don't know . My girlfriend wants to talk via skype :)
[08:45] <Zvezdichko> but what's the evil with skype? ;)
[08:45] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko: you don't know what's happening... it's a closed protocoll
[08:46] <JJNova> YOu could use SIP
[08:46] <Zvezdichko> isn't mp3 also a closed protocol? there are some distros ( including earliest versions of ubuntu ) that refused to include mp3 support
[08:46] <hyper_ch> mp3 isn't closed but patented
[08:48] <Zvezdichko> heh, there was an article in linux-bg that the open source violates one hundred patent rules
[08:48] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko: just claims by M$
[08:48] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko: without any proof
[08:49] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko: if M$ would tell what could be infringing the code would be quickly altered
[08:49] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko: it's just scare tactics
[08:49] <Zvezdichko> probably yes... I personally predict that Vista will be failure
[08:49] <Zvezdichko> there are a lot of old computers ( like mine )
[08:50] <Zvezdichko> so what? next year I won't have support for XP? ( I have a legal copy! )
[08:50] <hyper_ch> well, it might even well be, that M$ infringes those patents.... Unix has been around much longer and linux is based on unix... hence it might be that M$ infringes on uni
[08:50] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko: no, M$ anounced to prolong support for XP
[08:52] <Zvezdichko> that's great. this doesn't mean that I love the updates, patches and so on
[08:52] <Zvezdichko> patches means updating some basic windows software. What about the other software like firefox?
[08:52] <Zvezdichko> manual update for each packet is painful
[08:53] <hyper_ch> another reason for not using windows
[08:54] <Zvezdichko> there's ONE thing that prevents me from deleting windows
[08:54] <Zvezdichko> it's DirectX
[08:54] <Zvezdichko> as for Linux, years ago I had slackware on my oldest box and it worked very fine
[08:54] <hyper_ch> only needed for gaming
[08:55] <Zvezdichko> new Linuxes however are getting heavier
[08:55] <Zvezdichko> I was unable, for example, to install xubuntu with the desktop cs
[08:55] <Zvezdichko> cd
[08:55] <Zvezdichko> 192 MB ram- that's the minumum, I have it, but the installation crashed
[08:56] <silent_> you can install fluxbox
[08:56] <silent_> but then again, that wouldn't really be xubuntu anymore ;P
[08:56] <Catoptromancy> fluxbuntu
[08:57] <Zvezdichko> is there fluxbuntu at all?
[08:57] <silent_> no
[08:57] <Catoptromancy> #fluxbuntu
[08:57] <Catoptromancy> heh
[08:57] <Zvezdichko> hey, I installed feisty because I wanted to try KDE 4
[08:57] <silent_> oh. no way
[08:57] <Zvezdichko> with these 192 ram :)
[08:57] <Jester45> xfce4 you me
[08:57] <silent_> nice find Catop :P
[08:57] <JJNova> There's an unofficial Fluxbuntu
[08:58] <silent_> fluxbox will get better over time
[08:58] <Catoptromancy> no stable release yet
[08:58] <Jester45> there is an evilubuntu
[08:58] <silent_> evilwm?
[08:58] <JJNova> Yeah, the fiery colors and stuff. I saw that for Edgy
[08:58] <Zvezdichko> may I try to make a distro All-in-one-Desktop-Ubuntu?
[08:58] <Jester45> no it just looks cool
[08:59] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko: ???
[08:59] <JJNova> Ratpoisonbuntu
[08:59] <silent_> Zvezdichko, that is unecessary, its all too easy to install new wms
[08:59] <Catoptromancy> Probably already is an allinone ubuntu
[08:59] <Jester45> well im off to watch a movie
[08:59] <Catoptromancy> over 50 ubuntu distros
[09:00] <Zvezdichko> I remember the good old ... fvwm 95
[09:00] <silent_> anyone here know when creative is going to release xfi drivers?
[09:00] <Jester45> there is i will tell you how ot get it
[09:00] <Zvezdichko> It looked like Windows 95... damn it :)
[09:00] <JJNova> You guys call them Managers, and I call them Environments. Are we talking about the same things ?
[09:00] <Jester45> 1) install ubuntu 2) open a terminal 3) run sudo apt-get install *
[09:01] <Zvezdichko> well, the environment is manager+additional software
[09:01] <hyper_ch> or aptitude instead of apt-get if you want to install different flavouirs
[09:01] <silent_> Zvezdichko, I still have to keep a winbloze partition active for gaming, until either Wine gets a little better, cadega becomes freeware, or ReactOS progresses a lot.
[09:01] <Zvezdichko> the manager is what makes your windows moving around, minimizing, etc
[09:01] <JJNova> You know, there is an alternative to Linux, Vista, and Mac for those that want to upgrade from XP. There's also Longhorn
[09:01] <Jester45> JJNova: a window manager is just the border of the windows and where they are placed a Enviroment is the manager and other software
[09:01] <Zvezdichko> I've tried to run Xfree86 without window manager, pretty cool
[09:01] <Zvezdichko> :)
[09:01] <silent_> Longhorn is vista
[09:02] <Zvezdichko> so you don't need window manager to use X
[09:02] <silent_> codename
[09:02] <JJNova> Actually, Longhorn was abandoned for Vista
[09:02] <Jester45> i cant wait for ReactOS to be stable
[09:02] <Zvezdichko> silent_, why don't you just get cedega?
[09:02] <silent_> Jester45, yea, it shows a lot of promise
[09:02] <silent_> I'm a cheap bastard
[09:02] <JJNova> http://www.longhorn-reloaded.org/
[09:02] <Jester45> be a Pirate :)
[09:02] <JJNova> YO HO !
[09:02] <Zvezdichko> I've tried ReactOS too, but I think it's a dead end for the software developers
[09:02] <silent_> I try to minimize my pirating :P
[09:03] <Catrik> Why do I need to select "Allow Xfce to manage desktop" from Desktop Settong every time I log in?
[09:03] <Jester45> if it ever becomes stable i think it will pass up many other oses
[09:03] <silent_> JJNova, my appologies, does the OS work?
[09:03] <Catrik> I mean it's not allowed when I log in. Can Beryl have something to do with it?
[09:03] <JJNova> I haven't tried it myself. The claims are that it does.
[09:04] <silent_> full compatibility?
[09:04] <silent_> drivers etc?
[09:04] <Zvezdichko> hehe... I like when I open a torrent page and read this: using bittorent is legal, download copyrighted software is not.
[09:04] <Zvezdichko> but you are able to find anything
[09:04] <silent_> its all just "file sharing"
[09:04] <silent_> depends what files you're sharing
[09:04] <Zvezdichko> as for vista, there is Vista Lite for old machines
[09:04] <silent_> dont want to pay for it
[09:05] <Jester45> vista doesnt go with old in any way
[09:05] <silent_> it can
[09:05] <silent_> depends how old
[09:05] <JJNova> My system is pretty old
[09:05] <silent_> maybe I have a differend definition of old
[09:05] <JJNova> If you consider the normal life cycle that is
[09:05] <Jester45> under 1ghz is getting old for me
[09:06] <JJNova> Oh. Then my system is no where near old
[09:06] <Zvezdichko> is xfce your default manager you guys?
[09:06] <JJNova> Yes
[09:06] <Jester45> beryl here
[09:06] <silent_> Just built this rig a few months ago... C2D E6300 @ 2.8ghz, 2gb ocz, 8800 GTS
[09:07] <Zvezdichko> beryl... i'd liek to try this one
[09:07] <Zvezdichko> as for xfce I see it ( my first try ) as a gnome copy
[09:07] <JJNova> I have an AMD Athlon XP 2ghz 2400+
[09:07] <Zvezdichko> GTK+ based, that's ok, integration with gnome software...
[09:07] <silent_> and very soon I'll be installing base debian on it then adding packages, trying wms, see what I like
[09:07] <Catrik> Intel P4  1500 :)
[09:08] <silent_> the athlon xp series was amazing in its time
[09:08] <Zvezdichko> silent_, I think KDE is the best... no concurence here
[09:08] <silent_> I'll be trying all of them, but I find KDE to be a bit too flashy for me
[09:08] <JJNova> This Athlon XP has served me very well so far.
[09:08] <GrueTamer> silent_: if you want to get down and dirty with wm's, try wmii, if you can try something different, you may like it
[09:08] <GrueTamer> but i also recommend fluxbox and icewm
[09:09] <silent_> they're beautiful processors, i have 3 different machines with cpus from 1700+ - 2000+ xps running beautifully
[09:09] <Zvezdichko> hardcore linux fans still hate KDE because the QT libraries were not open source in the beginning
[09:09] <GrueTamer> and then xfce, and then gnome (the lighter the better for me)
[09:09] <Zvezdichko> if you remember, Debian didn't include KDE for that reason
[09:09] <silent_> yea, i've been looking into it a bit
[09:10] <Zvezdichko> but this was long ago... :)
[09:10] <silent_> I've used gnome before so I'll use it for now, just to get familiarized again, then move on to try kde, icewm and flux, maybe evilwm too
[09:10] <spaceraver> desktop version of feisty: unable to install GRUB..
[09:10] <Jester45> its no good
[09:10] <silent_> space, I installed it yesterday
[09:10] <Jester45> its a 1 pixel border and thats it
[09:10] <spaceraver> im havning a problem with it
[09:11] <silent_> grub
[09:11] <GrueTamer> Jester45: its all about preferences
[09:11] <spaceraver> si
[09:11] <silent_> root (hdfoo,foo)
[09:11] <GrueTamer> some people like those borders
[09:11] <silent_> setup (hdfoo)
[09:11] <Zvezdichko> Does xubuntu offer the option to install LILO ( for old linux users like me )
[09:11] <silent_> just use grub
[09:11] <silent_> imo lilo is dying
[09:11] <JJNova> I thought LILO was ded
[09:11] <GrueTamer> Zvezdichko: you can do it manually
[09:12] <silent_> hwo the hell did they get the longhorn source?
[09:13] <GrueTamer> Zvezdichko: if you want to know how to install lilo manually, tell me, so i can get some instructions
[09:13] <silent_> http://www.google.ca/search?q=install+lilo+ubuntu
[09:13] <spaceraver> and pastebin does not work
[09:13] <Zvezdichko> well, I think I won't do it for now unless I try to reinstall windows ...
[09:13] <JJNova> silent_:  They got the Longhorn from the developers showcasing of Longhorn
[09:13] <Catrik> XFCE is just killing me.
[09:13] <Zvezdichko> then I won't know how to reinstall grub so I'll replace the default loader with lilo
[09:13] <Zvezdichko> :)
[09:14] <silent_> they got the source?
[09:14] <silent_> or just the files
[09:14] <JJNova> I guess so
[09:14] <JJNova> I don't know.
[09:14] <silent_> nice
[09:14] <JJNova> I don't work on the project
[09:14] <JJNova> I justknow of it
[09:14] <GrueTamer> Zvezdichko: reinstalling grub isnt that hard
[09:14] <Catrik> Those Home. Trash ect on Desktop just randomly are or are not in there!!
[09:14] <Zvezdichko> the configuration file looks very evil
[09:14] <silent_> if they have the source, it will definitely pull ahead of reactos, but there might be legal issues
[09:14] <GrueTamer> Zvezdichko: for grub or for lilo?
[09:14] <Zvezdichko> for grub
[09:15] <GrueTamer> ahh
[09:15] <GrueTamer> its really not that complicated if you get down and dirty with it, but manual configuration is hard to do unless youre used to it
[09:15] <Zvezdichko> linux was dead for me for a long time... :)
[09:15] <silent_> grub || root (hdx,x) || setup (hdx)
[09:15] <Zvezdichko> hdx,x is supposed to be /dev/hda1 ?
[09:16] <GrueTamer> hdx,x is supposed to be your drive, then partition
[09:16] <silent_> that'd be (hd0,0)
[09:16] <GrueTamer> REMEMBER grub starts at 0 and not 1
[09:16] <JJNova> I used to be a Mandrake user, and then a SuSe user.... ubuntu has shown me the light though.
[09:16] <Zvezdichko> Ubuntu? Light thought?
[09:17] <Zvezdichko> it's debian based and debian is hard...
[09:17] <silent_> I'm not actually installing ubuntu, I'll be installing base debian and working from there since I'm more familiar with command line
[09:17] <GrueTamer> ubuntu isnt hard unless you want it to be hard
[09:17] <Zvezdichko> it was very hard on some machines with unusual hardware
[09:17] <spaceraver> is it okay to paste my lsdisk here since pastebin wont work??
[09:17] <silent_> no
[09:18] <spaceraver> then how??
[09:18] <silent_> http://pastebin.ca/ that one works
[09:18] <Zvezdichko> for example It didn't recognise the video ( the card was 3 months old and no driver was available )
[09:18] <silent_> find a different one
[09:18] <Zvezdichko> VESA didn't work and that was strange
[09:18] <GrueTamer> well, nothings perfect
[09:18] <GrueTamer> but ubuntus easier than most distros
[09:18] <silent_> yep
[09:19] <Zvezdichko> my video is ... Voodoo Banshee ( old enough ) and tdfx doesn't work fine. Luckily, VESA is fine
[09:19] <silent_> a Voodoo card??
[09:19] <silent_> that's an antique
[09:19] <tuga3d> hi all!
[09:19] <silent_> eyyy tuga
[09:20] <spaceraver> http://pastebin.ca/512167 this is my output.. and sda should be an ide drive and thus hda
[09:20] <GrueTamer> spaceraver: feisty has libata in the kernel, i think, it made it sda
[09:20] <Zvezdichko> I know...
[09:20] <tuga3d> does anybody as the amedyn driver working on the 7.04?
[09:20] <spaceraver> but that stops my grub install
[09:20] <silent_> space, where is grub installed?
[09:20] <Zvezdichko> GrueTamer, there isn't a difficult distro IMO
[09:21] <Zvezdichko> except... Gentoo
[09:21] <spaceraver> it fails in the desktop installer
[09:21] <spaceraver> advanced says hd0
[09:21] <silent_> do you have a system running?
[09:21] <GrueTamer> spaceraver: install grub manually
[09:21] <silent_> linux?
[09:21] <silent_> I only ever install grub manually
[09:21] <GrueTamer> Zvezdichko: slackware is hard depending on who you ask
[09:21] <spaceraver> everything else should be there then??
[09:21] <silent_> spaceraver, where is your linux os.. sdx?
[09:21] <spaceraver> sda
[09:22] <silent_> 1?
[09:22] <Zvezdichko> Slackware? At least there there weren't a lot of problems with software packages
[09:22] <Zvezdichko> no dependencies viewed as a problem means simple install however
[09:22] <GrueTamer> yup
[09:22] <spaceraver> seperate /boot is sda1, / is sda2, /home is sda3 and sda4 is swap
[09:23] <silent_> there shouldnt be a partition for boot
[09:23] <spaceraver> i really want it to be so if it's okay with you guys
[09:23] <silent_> it wont work like that
[09:23] <GrueTamer> itll work
[09:23] <silent_> grub needs to access files in /boot/grub
[09:23] <silent_> under /
[09:23] <GrueTamer> itll be harder to make it work, but it will work
[09:24] <spaceraver> so why can i specify it as /boot under partitions??
[09:24] <GrueTamer> itll work
[09:24] <silent_> it should
[09:24] <spaceraver> yes
[09:24] <GrueTamer> it might take more time to MAKE it work, but it will work
[09:24] <silent_> use manual install though
[09:25] <spaceraver> so sudo grub-install
[09:25] <silent_> not exactly
[09:25] <GrueTamer> the boot partition probably is messing up the automatic installer
[09:25] <silent_> grub should be in the system already
[09:25] <spaceraver> enlighten me
[09:25] <silent_> type grub
[09:25] <silent_> it will give you a cli to the tool
[09:25] <spaceraver> done
[09:25] <silent_> get grub> ?
[09:26] <spaceraver> yes
[09:26] <silent_> sda1 is your boot?
[09:26] <GrueTamer> grub-install is the same thing as going into the grub cli and doing the install command
[09:26] <spaceraver> if im not saying anything within 30 secs just continue..
[09:26] <GrueTamer> it just doesnt give you as much freedom as the grub cli does, with its other commands
[09:26] <silent_> is /dev/sda1 your /boot/ partition?
[09:27] <spaceraver> im firing up gparted
[09:27] <silent_> in the grub> cli type "root (hd0,0)"
[09:27] <silent_> then "setup (hd0)"
[09:29] <Zvezdichko> skype is already downloadded here
[09:29] <Zvezdichko> slow internet connection huh
[09:29] <spaceraver> says selected disc does not exist
[09:30] <Zvezdichko> hd0?
[09:30] <spaceraver> yesw
[09:30] <silent_> are you running grub as root?
[09:30] <silent_> quit out and sudo
[09:30] <Zvezdichko> maybe it's another option for SCSI disks ( correct me if I'm wrong )
[09:30] <spaceraver> done
[09:30] <silent_> nah, I use a sata drive... same thing
[09:31] <silent_> sudo grub?
[09:31] <spaceraver> mix between sata and ide
[09:31] <silent_> try again
[09:31] <spaceraver> sudo grub gives me grub>
[09:31] <silent_> root (hd0,0)
[09:31] <silent_> setup (hd0)
[09:31] <spaceraver> done
[09:31] <silent_> great success?
[09:31] <spaceraver> Error 15: file not found
[09:32] <silent_> .. ugh
[09:32] <silent_> just forget that first partition
[09:32] <silent_> you don't need it anyway
[09:32] <silent_> sudo grub
[09:32] <silent_> root (hd0,1)
[09:32] <silent_> setup (hd0)
[09:33] <silent_> it will install to /boot/ on sda2
[09:34] <spaceraver> ill reformat to a different partition the
[09:34] <spaceraver> n
[09:34] <spaceraver> hang on
[09:34] <silent_> dont bother, you wasted practically no space
[09:34] <silent_> and you can always lvm it onto something else
[09:34] <spaceraver> i know... but 50 mb is 50 mb
[09:35] <silent_> alright, reformat and reinstall if you want
[09:35] <spaceraver> getting to partitions
[09:35] <Zvezdichko> it was a strange problem for him...
[09:35] <silent_> I have to go soon so be fast, I'm going to be installing debian, wiping my hdd clean
[09:36] <spaceraver> it's because i want a seperate /home
[09:36] <silent_> no, you can have a separate home
[09:36] <Zvezdichko> a separate /home shouldn't be a problem
[09:36] <Zvezdichko> I have installed such thingy on a box but this problems seems strange
[09:36] <silent_> I dont think a separate /boot/ works though, since the system has to mount it before it can be accessed by grub and grub is initialized before th os
[09:37] <silent_> its a paradox
[09:37] <Zvezdichko> the grandfather paradox
[09:37] <spaceraver> meh choosing xfs says it will hang
[09:38] <silent_> you can, however mount with unionfs or probly lvm afterward to merge /boot/ on sda1 and /boot/ on sda2
[09:38] <silent_> but that's just a waste of energy
[09:38] <silent_> and time
[09:39] <Zvezdichko> hey, will you recommend me a good bittorrent client for xubuntu?
[09:40] <Zvezdichko> because there are a lot of options and I don't know what to choose
[09:40] <silent_> hehe, I used to use one in CLI, which was a bit of a pain
[09:40] <silent_> but I'm not sure which one is most feature-rich nowadays
[09:41] <Zvezdichko> I like Azureus but my old box won't tolerate it
[09:41] <Zvezdichko> it's Java anyway
[09:41] <silent_> Java is evil
[09:41] <spaceraver> okay it is now as follows.. sda 1 is /, sda2 is /home, and sda3 is swap
[09:41] <silent_> java is melting the ice caps
[09:41] <spaceraver> good??
[09:41] <silent_> have you installed the system space?
[09:42] <spaceraver> ?
[09:42] <artabrahao> Hi, in windows 2003 I can ping the ubuntu and see the group mshome, but cant access shared folder, why?
[09:42] <hyper_ch> spaceraver: how big is each?
[09:42] <silent_> the operating system
[09:42] <silent_> do you have the OS on /
[09:42] <silent_> running
[09:42] <hyper_ch> artabrahao: because it's not shared
[09:42] <spaceraver> is 30 something gb
[09:42] <spaceraver> oops / is 30 something gb
[09:42] <silent_> spaceraver, have you installed xubuntu to / yet?
[09:43] <silent_> or just partitioned?
[09:43] <spaceraver> just partitioned using the instaloler
[09:43] <spaceraver> installer
[09:43] <silent_> ok, continue with the installer
[09:43] <hyper_ch> spaceraver: how big did you set each partition?
[09:43] <silent_> to install the system
[09:43] <silent_> Hyper, they are about equal size afaik
[09:44] <spaceraver> hyper_ch: my / is 30 gb and /home is 46 with 2.5 gb swap
[09:44] <hyper_ch> spaceraver: how much ram?
[09:44] <silent_> holy crap
[09:44] <silent_> that's a lot of swap
[09:44] <hyper_ch> I'd rather set root to 20gb and swap max. 1.5 gb
[09:44] <spaceraver> better to have enough
[09:44] <silent_> how much ram do you have?
[09:44] <hyper_ch> 20gb for root is plenty
[09:45] <spaceraver> 512 atm... going to throw 1024 in it
[09:45] <silent_> you dont need 2.5gb swap
 yes, there is a folder shared
[09:45] <silent_> I'd say put swap to 512mb-1gb
[09:45] <Zvezdichko`dinne> dinner time
[09:45] <hyper_ch> artabrahao: where do you want to try access on what
[09:46] <spaceraver> what do i do with the advanced options at the end before comitting the changes??
[09:46] <artabrahao> from ubuntu I want to access windows 2003 and virse-versa
[09:46] <hyper_ch> spaceraver: I have set them to default
[09:46] <spaceraver> it says (hd0) but that makes grub install fail
[09:46] <hyper_ch> never tried to access windows computers
[09:46] <hyper_ch> but from windows to ubuntu you need to setup samba
[09:47] <hyper_ch> set shared folders in samba
[09:47] <hyper_ch> at users to samba
[09:47] <silent_> I would set the system up as follows (how I'm about to set mine up): 5gb for /, mount another 250gb onto /home/
[09:47] <hyper_ch> and then you can access
[09:47] <hyper_ch> silent_: 5gb to root is very little
[09:47] <artabrahao> dsamba is intealled
[09:47] <silent_> samba accesses both ways
[09:47] <spaceraver> silent_: i have all my data on a seperate drive anyways
[09:47] <silent_> samba+swat for servers works best imo
[09:47] <silent_> yea, any partitioning you want will do
[09:48] <silent_> but make sure you install the os
[09:48] <spaceraver> so (hd0) is okay then
[09:48] <silent_> yep
[09:48] <silent_> as long as that's where linux lives
[09:48] <spaceraver> processing
[09:48] <spaceraver> failed to install
[09:49] <silent_> reason?
[09:49] <spaceraver> superblock something...
[09:49] <silent_> bad blocks?
[09:49] <silent_> have you formatted your partitions?
[09:50] <spaceraver> wait a sec... ill disable the sata drives... as both my linux hdd and the dvd drive is ide it makes no difference...
[09:50] <spaceraver> time to reboot
[09:50] <silent_> wow, I am sooo confused
[09:50] <silent_> you told me you had linux on a sata
[09:51] <silent_> w/e I'm off to install debian, someone else help him when he comes back (if he comes back)
[09:51] <artabrahao> Why from Ubuntu I cant access widows shared folders?
[09:53] <Catoptromancy> needs FAT32
[09:53] <Catoptromancy> well thats what I do
[09:54] <Catoptromancy> made a FAT32 partiton so both OSes can use the files on them
[09:54] <Catoptromancy> I can also some reason see my ntfs partition, but ive heard its a really bad idea to make linux use it
 DO I need to install samba in windows
[09:59] <artabrahao> ?
[10:00] <JJNova> Oh wow. I didn't think about that. I cna't dual boot this thing, everythings EXT3
[10:16] <Catoptromancy> heh
[10:16] <Catoptromancy> XP forces a recovery partiton thats useless if you own the backup DVD
[10:16] <Catoptromancy> and its already FAT32
[10:16] <Catoptromancy> so i jsut reformatted
[10:17] <Catoptromancy> all my docs and mp3s
[10:18] <JJNova> That's all i do at my job is recover from a recovery partition all day
[10:18] <JJNova> or use a disc to override passwords.
[10:19] <wonderl00t> how do i drag n drop an executable file to an xcfe panel?
[10:19] <JJNova> Like, you want to put Xchat up there next to the Firefox launcher ?
[10:19] <wonderl00t> like i.e. in gnome i could just drag-n-drop the file to a panel..seems different
[10:20] <wonderl00t> actually yes and no...i wanna launch a windows .exe with wine
[10:22] <JJNova> I don't know. heh.
[10:22] <Zvezdichko`dinne> btw what was the other name of WineX?
[10:23] <JJNova> WineHQ ?
[10:23] <Zvezdichko`dinne> no, I was talking about Cedega and Crossover
[10:23] <Zvezdichko`dinne> I remember
[10:23] <wonderl00t> codeweavers
[10:27] <Catoptromancy> wonderl00t, could make a shell
[10:27] <Zvezdichko`dinne> now it's time for Kubuntu-desktop ;_
[10:27] <Catoptromancy> I make hidden shells in my /home/
[10:28] <Catoptromancy> quick "sh .file" and its off
[10:32] <wonderl00t> Catoptromancy: could you help me do that? if i can nail this, it's bye bye gnome :)
[10:32] <Catoptromancy> I dont really know a gnome
[10:32] <Catoptromancy> I tried once for 20 minutes
[10:32] <wonderl00t> lol
[10:32] <Catoptromancy> hold on
[10:33] <wonderl00t> k
[10:33] <Catoptromancy> make an empty txt file
[10:33] <Catoptromancy> basic txt
[10:34] <Catoptromancy> wine /home/desktop/Programs/ide/./Ide.exe &
[10:34] <Catoptromancy> change your path
[10:34] <Catoptromancy> final folder is ide   the .exe is Ide.exe
[10:34] <wonderl00t> ok gimmie a sec here..
[10:34] <Catoptromancy> so ./Ide.exe
[10:35] <Catoptromancy> the  & sign just closes terminal but leaves program open
[10:35] <Catoptromancy> dont really need it
[10:35] <wonderl00t> oh ok...
[10:35] <Catoptromancy> its jsut a full command line from /home/
[10:36] <Catoptromancy> so instead of typing all that i just type "sh .ide"
[10:36] <wonderl00t> what do i name the text file?
[10:36] <Catoptromancy> whatever you want
[10:36] <Catoptromancy> I like short names heh
[10:36] <Catoptromancy> put a . in front if you want it hidden
[10:36] <wonderl00t> ..but leave it .txt
[10:36] <Catoptromancy> sure
[10:36] <Catoptromancy> you can make it clicka ble
[10:36] <Catoptromancy> would you rather have it like a clikcable icon?
[10:36] <wonderl00t> and i can drag this text file to execute to the xfce panel?
[10:37] <Catoptromancy> huh?
[10:37] <Catoptromancy> it just launches it like a bach command
[10:37] <Catoptromancy> bash
[10:37] <Catoptromancy> no dragging
[10:37] <wonderl00t> i mean make a launcher asnnd point it to said text file to execute
[10:37] <Catoptromancy> hold on
[10:37] <Catoptromancy> ya
[10:37] <Catoptromancy> 1 more thing
[10:38] <Catoptromancy> #!/bin/sh        <add that line exactly
[10:38] <wonderl00t> uh huh
[10:38] <Catoptromancy> at very top
[10:38] <Catoptromancy> and its a clickable icon now
[10:38] <Catoptromancy> heh
[10:39] <Catoptromancy> so it should work from a panel launcher
[10:39] <wonderl00t> cool thanks thats probably basic linux i SHOULD be learning, instead of messing with these music apps lol
[10:39] <Catoptromancy> basic shell scripta are a must
[10:40] <Catoptromancy> all it really is, is a long command line, thats now executable with a very short command
[10:40] <wonderl00t> i have linux bible 2007 i just got as a gift from someone...it's gonna be a great "by the toilet" read from what i see of it right now lol
[10:40] <Catoptromancy> im still really new at this
[10:41] <Catoptromancy> Even in Windows I made my own batches for everything
[10:41] <Catoptromancy> so I had to learn shells
[10:41] <wonderl00t> im just now into the "not booting into windows" phase of my "journey" lol
[10:41] <wonderl00t> but im not even as much of a "programmer" as compared to an avid software user...
[10:42] <wonderl00t> im learning slowly though :)
[10:42] <Catoptromancy> I learned enough shell scripts to make a half assed menu for launchng games
[10:42] <Catoptromancy> like that command I showed you, the terminal would give you a choice on what to execute
[10:42] <Catoptromancy> instead of just 1 command
[10:43] <JJNova> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/jjnova/sigpic19_5.png
[10:43] <Catoptromancy> ??
[10:44] <wonderl00t> cool
[10:44] <JJNova> Just a sig thing I put together to match the similar sigs that people like to "stack"
[10:44] <wonderl00t> what did you make that sig pic in?
[10:45] <JJNova> the GIMP
[10:45] <JJNova> Release Date:
[10:45] <JJNova> US: May 10, 2007
[10:46] <JJNova> Disregard that bit
[10:46] <JJNova> Wrong window
[10:46] <wonderl00t> lol its cool
[10:47] <JJNova> but yeah, I pute it together in GIMP. Just took some blue, the Xubuntu logo, added some light flare, and then Decored the border.
[10:47] <JJNova> Voila! Simple as that.
[10:50] <Zvezdichko`OFF> adding kubuntu-desktop
[10:50] <Zvezdichko`OFF> this will bi interesting
[10:51] <Zvezdichko`OFF> later I'll try to add the KDE 4 alpha
[10:53] <Zvezdichko`OFF> OK, is there something to make snaphots in XUBUNTU? Or to press with imagemagick ahead
[10:53] <JJNova> I use the KDE Snapshot program
[10:54] <Zvezdichko`OFF> I'm still downloading KDE
[10:54] <Zvezdichko`OFF> :)
[10:54] <Zvezdichko`OFF> I don't have it yet
[10:54] <JJNova> Well, I mean, I just use that program in Xubuntu
[10:54] <Catoptromancy> Zvezdichko`OFF, you can right click a panel add new item
[10:54] <Catoptromancy> screenshot
[10:58] <Zvezdichko`OFF> I do hope that nothing will be removed and kubuntu-desktop won't replace xubuntu-desktop
[10:59] <JJNova> It wont
[10:59] <JJNova> You can install kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop, and gnome-desktop on the same machine.
[11:00] <JJNova> ubuntu
[11:01] <Zvezdichko`OFF> years ago there was a single .xinitrc file and you just point there what to start
[11:01] <Zvezdichko`OFF> now I don't know what the situation is
[11:01] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko`OFF: you know how to make screenshots in xubuntu?
[11:02] <Zvezdichko`OFF> yes, with import ( imagemagick ) is the simplest method, I just have to install it
[11:03] <hyper_ch> Zvezdichko`OFF: http://phpfi.com/237184
[11:09] <Catoptromancy> well crap
[11:09] <guigz2000> hello.
[11:10] <Catoptromancy> I just kicked in the missing panels
[11:11] <guigz2000> Do someone know how I can ask xubuntu to shut the monitor off after a certain time?I have an Imac G4 and I just keep getting the backlight on.
[11:11] <guigz2000> with a black screen...
[11:11] <guigz2000> I just want to disable the backlight
[11:12] <JJNova> huh?
[11:12] <JJNova> Yeah. You can set it to do that in the screensaver settings
[11:13] <JJNova> It has a section that asks how long to go without movement before shutting the screen off (or turning the screensaver on)
[11:13] <Catoptromancy> Whooops thats what i get for screwing with stuff heh
[11:13] <Catoptromancy> I gotta keep a terminal open now with Xfce4-panel running
[11:13] <Catoptromancy> or else I have no panels
[11:13] <guigz2000> I already ask it to do it after 2 mins,but I keep having the backlight on.
[11:16] <Catoptromancy> this has to be a bug
[11:18] <Gerro> hey everyone
[11:18] <JJNova> Herro
[11:20] <Gerro> do I know you?
[11:24] <JJNova> mmm
[11:24] <JJNova> I don't believe so
[11:30] <Zvezdichko`OFF> Ubuntu = connecting cultures
[11:30] <Zvezdichko`OFF> :)
[11:59] <Catoptromancy_> yay fixed my panels
[12:00] <Zvezdichko`OFF> anybody still awake?
[12:02] <Ramla> A bit
[12:05] <Zvezdichko`OFF> great ;)
[12:08] <guigz2000> Hello,I'd like to watch dvd's using gxine,but there are problems.how can I install dvd playback support?
[12:09] <guigz2000> I have a ppc imac G4
[12:22] <Ramla> Why do they always go before I get to answer them
[12:23] <Ramla> libxine1-ffmpeg libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdread3 -packages for dvd playback. probably need medibuntu repository. There. still answered him.
[12:23] <Jester45> libdvdcss2 needes it
[12:24] <Jester45> dvdread doesnt
[12:24] <Jester45> i dont know about the other 2 but i think the xine1-ffmpeg doesnt need it