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tristan_ | so.. time to fix my social-inet-table-with-ubuntu-stickers(tm) | 02:08 |
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tristan_ | wrong chan | 02:08 |
tristan_ | but for the persons interested | 02:11 |
tristan_ | it's a table with both-sides(r) installed on it | 02:11 |
tristan_ | oO | 02:11 |
tristan_ | it always has a right side | 02:12 |
tristan_ | so it's never turned backwards | 02:12 |
tristan_ | invented it myself | 02:12 |
tristan_ | I'm a genius | 02:13 |
tristan_ | (: | 02:13 |
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jonathan_ | Ok having another issue w/ LTSP. The client can get an ip and all is well there but eth1 (internet) will not connect to any website | 02:23 |
jonathan_ | If I bring eth0 (dhcp server side) down I can then connect to the internets... | 02:24 |
jonathan_ | any suggestions? | 02:24 |
Kamping_Kaiser | jonathan_, sounds like your eth0 and eth1 are using the same network space | 02:24 |
jonathan_ | yes 192.168.0.101 is my internet interface eth1 and eth0 is 192.168.0.1 is the dhcp side | 02:25 |
Kamping_Kaiser | you have to change one | 02:26 |
jonathan_ | so i should change to 192.168.1.x for internet side? | 02:26 |
Kamping_Kaiser | that would do | 02:26 |
jonathan_ | ok excellent observation I will try this | 02:26 |
tristan_ | you maybe have to change your routerconfig as well if your connected through one | 02:29 |
tristan_ | or am I wrong? | 02:29 |
Kamping_Kaiser | no, thats correct | 02:29 |
jonathan_ | I don't plan on changing the client side address... that would require changing the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf correct? | 02:34 |
jonathan_ | for the internet side I'm getting dhcp from a wireless router... for the client side I have a switch that's not connected to the router | 02:35 |
Kamping_Kaiser | so on the internet side, you need to change the dhcp server in the router, and you can leave the client side alone | 02:36 |
jonathan_ | yes | 02:38 |
jonathan_ | makes sense | 02:38 |
jonathan_ | while I'm at... I opened the tcm and it notated I had to install x11vnc on the client to see that desktop... how do you do that? | 02:41 |
Kamping_Kaiser | tcm? | 02:41 |
jonathan_ | um the terminal client manager i think | 02:41 |
Kamping_Kaiser | oh, havent used that | 02:42 |
jonathan_ | it's neat | 02:42 |
jonathan_ | you can execute progs, send messages, blank screens, disconnect users | 02:42 |
Kamping_Kaiser | i'll probably see it in the next LTS | 02:43 |
jonathan_ | and somehow remote connect | 02:43 |
tristan_ | is it also possible to monitor their desktop? | 02:43 |
jonathan_ | yes... but look at my question above | 02:43 |
jonathan_ | it's under system/administration/ | 02:43 |
tristan_ | i don't know an answer since I didn't install it yet, sorry :( | 02:44 |
jonathan_ | no problem | 02:46 |
Kamping_Kaiser | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install x11vnc | 02:46 |
jonathan_ | if i see yah again i'd let yah know how i got it to work ') | 02:46 |
Kamping_Kaiser | is iirc the command, but i'm not sure if it will do what you expect ;) | 02:46 |
jonathan_ | I'll give that a go also | 02:49 |
jonathan_ | I'm giving this ltsp setup a girl's home (troubled teen girls) any suggested apps? | 02:50 |
jonathan_ | to a girl's home | 02:51 |
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jonathan_ | OK got the internets to work on the client side, thanks for the suggestion! | 03:30 |
jonathan_ | but I cannot install x11vnc under chroot | 03:31 |
jonathan_ | I copied my sources over to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/ | 03:31 |
jonathan_ | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 | 03:31 |
jonathan_ | apt-get update I get errors that it cannot find the repos | 03:31 |
jonathan_ | I can't ping anything while I'm in chroot either | 03:32 |
jonathan_ | suggestions? | 03:33 |
tristan_ | ifup eth0 ? | 03:35 |
tristan_ | without the `?' ofcourse | 03:36 |
jonathan_ | ifup: failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory | 03:36 |
tristan_ | maybe manual create /var/run/network ? | 03:38 |
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jonathan_ | eh | 03:40 |
tristan_ | doesn't work? | 03:44 |
jonathan_ | negative | 03:47 |
tristan_ | :( | 03:49 |
Kamping_Kaiser | jonathan_, you will (probably) have to bind in /proc and /dev | 03:50 |
jonathan_ | sudo mount -t proc proc /opt/ltsp/i386/proc <- before I did this I couldn't see any interfaces under chroot | 03:50 |
Kamping_Kaiser | sudo mount --bind /proc /opt/ltsp/i386/proc | 03:51 |
Kamping_Kaiser | sudo mount --bind /dev /opt/ltsp/i386/dev | 03:51 |
Kamping_Kaiser | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ | 03:51 |
Kamping_Kaiser | apt-get update | 03:51 |
jonathan_ | ok did that | 03:52 |
jonathan_ | still getting errors | 03:52 |
jonathan_ | Err http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security Release.gpg | 03:52 |
jonathan_ | Could not resolve 'security.ubuntu.com' | 03:52 |
jonathan_ | can't ping anything under chroot either | 03:53 |
Kamping_Kaiser | anything in /dev/ or /proc? | 03:53 |
jonathan_ | under chroot? | 03:53 |
jonathan_ | yes in chroot there is | 03:54 |
Kamping_Kaiser | what does ifconfig return? | 03:54 |
jonathan_ | all my interfaces correctly | 03:54 |
jonathan_ | shall I restart? LOL | 03:56 |
Kamping_Kaiser | i ran the 3 commands i gave you, and i can ping out of my chroot | 03:57 |
jonathan_ | interesting | 03:57 |
jonathan_ | let me restart | 03:57 |
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jonathan_ | Ok I can ping within my network but not out | 04:07 |
jonathan_ | eth0 192.168.0.1 - dhcp server | 04:08 |
jonathan_ | eth1 192.168.1.1 - internet side | 04:08 |
jonathan_ | I can ping both of those interfaces and also any other interface on the 192.168.1.x side | 04:08 |
jonathan_ | and I can also ping anything having a 192.168.0.x addy | 04:09 |
Kamping_Kaiser | so you can ping the router but not the internet? | 04:11 |
jonathan_ | I think I've got it... dns isn't working under chroot | 04:11 |
jonathan_ | i can ping google | 04:11 |
jonathan_ | google's ip excuse me | 04:11 |
jonathan_ | it's gotta be dns in the chroot | 04:12 |
jonathan_ | Of course I wouldn't even know where to start to fix that, being the noob I am | 04:14 |
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sbalneav | Evening all | 04:22 |
tristan_ | /etc/resolv.conf | 04:22 |
tristan_ | it should contain something like `nameserver 0.0.0.0 | 04:22 |
tristan_ | where 0.0.0.0 should be the ip adress of the dns server ofcourse | 04:23 |
tristan_ | without the ` | 04:23 |
jonathan_ | excellent it was wrong thanks! | 04:24 |
jonathan_ | this channel rocks thanks for all the help Kamping and tristan | 04:25 |
tristan_ | this was the first time i helped | 04:26 |
tristan_ | normally I talk to much and give bad advise | 04:26 |
jonathan_ | lol | 04:26 |
jonathan_ | you did well | 04:26 |
jonathan_ | well if this issue comes up again you got it | 04:27 |
tristan_ | do you maybe know someone with a chaintech zenith 7njs motherboard? | 04:29 |
tristan_ | the manual isn't available on the website anymore | 04:29 |
tristan_ | and i've lost it | 04:29 |
tristan_ | and it's giving an error on it's frontpanel | 04:29 |
LaserJock | hi sbalneav, how's it going? | 04:42 |
sbalneav | Not bad. Working hard. | 04:42 |
sbalneav | Spawning ssh from a C program is hard. :( | 04:42 |
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pygi | hi cbx33 | 08:07 |
cbx33 | hey pygi | 08:07 |
pygi | how is it going? :) | 08:07 |
LaserJock | hi cbx33 | 08:08 |
pygi | LaserJock, ^_^ | 08:08 |
cbx33 | yeh good thanks | 08:08 |
cbx33 | hey LaserJock | 08:08 |
cbx33 | howz it going people | 08:11 |
pygi | pretty good, thanks :) | 08:11 |
cbx33 | just hacking around with gstreamer | 08:11 |
pygi | hehe =) | 08:11 |
pygi | what new are you preparing this time? ;) | 08:12 |
cbx33 | just working on vcs-frenzy | 08:12 |
pygi | ah, why do you need gst then? o.O | 08:12 |
cbx33 | on one computer I have it seems to hog all sound | 08:12 |
cbx33 | audio notifications of repo changes ;) | 08:12 |
pygi | ah :P | 08:13 |
cbx33 | but when I just test it here | 08:13 |
pygi | will one be able to turn it off? :P | 08:13 |
cbx33 | it doesn't seem to have an issue | 08:13 |
cbx33 | it's totally configurable | 08:13 |
pygi | great ^ | 08:13 |
cbx33 | it's of by default | 08:13 |
pygi | ^_^ | 08:13 |
pygi | smart move :p | 08:13 |
cbx33 | you can choose a generic sound | 08:13 |
cbx33 | or a repo specific one | 08:13 |
cbx33 | up to you | 08:13 |
pygi | got it | 08:14 |
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fargiolas | hi maybe i'm doing something wrong: i've installed edubuntu on a virtual machine (3 hours of installation) and now i was looking for scientific programs but there is no one of these mentioned on the web page | 04:37 |
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fargiolas | do i have to install everything from repositories? | 04:39 |
fargiolas | if yes i can do it even with standard ubuntu.. what's the difference with edubuntu? it's just a ltsp ready ubuntu? | 04:40 |
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fargiolas | anybody in? | 04:47 |
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fargiolas | no answer? so is there no educative software on edubuntu cd? | 05:18 |
ogra-classmate | the edu software is on the educational addon cd, if you use the two cd set you will have it | 05:19 |
ogra-classmate | and its on the demo desktop of the livecd which due to technical restrictions of the livecd installer isnt able to install it | 05:20 |
fargiolas | ogra-classmate: i've got the cd shipped by launchpad ship-it service | 05:24 |
ogra-classmate | yeah, thst the server CD | 05:24 |
ogra-classmate | i thought it tells you about the addon CD on the inside | 05:25 |
fargiolas | why don't they shi p the live cd as demo-cd from shipt? | 05:25 |
fargiolas | it says nothing about addon :( | 05:25 |
fargiolas | and it took 3 hours to install on a virtual machine :( | 05:25 |
ogra-classmate | because the major amount of our users wants to set up a classroom server in areas where you barely have power, not to talk about bandwith | 05:26 |
ogra-classmate | the server stuff doesnt5 fit on the livecd | 05:26 |
ogra-classmate | its way to small | 05:26 |
tristan_ | question: how do I partition my HDD, since I'm used to make different directories with different mountoptions... | 05:27 |
tristan_ | and it looks like edubuntu is storing a lot under /opt | 05:27 |
ogra-classmate | neither can we ship a DVD because the majority of users doesnt even have a DVD reader (or writer for downloading) | 05:27 |
fargiolas | ogra-classmate: i just wanted to show educational software to my mother (a primary school teacher).. do you suggest to download the live cd? | 05:28 |
ogra-classmate | tristan_: about 400meg for the thin client system... if you dont want to try or use ltsp, pick a workstation install in the menu | 05:28 |
tristan_ | i want to use ltsp | 05:28 |
ogra-classmate | fargiolas: for just showing it, yes, thats what the livecd is for | 05:28 |
tristan_ | but the thin client is using the environment under /opt/ltsp/i386? | 05:28 |
ogra-classmate | right | 05:28 |
fargiolas | thanks | 05:29 |
tristan_ | so I have just to make mountpoints under it, like /opt/ltsp/i386/tmp like I always did with /tmp on my workstations? | 05:29 |
ogra-classmate | fargiolas: we'll optimize all that fgor gutsy, its our first release with two cds | 05:29 |
ogra-classmate | tristan_: no, dont touch whats under /opt/ltsp | 05:30 |
tristan_ | hmmz | 05:30 |
fargiolas | ogra-classmate: will the be shipped both by launchpad shipit? | 05:30 |
ogra-classmate | if you change anything in there it will break the client boot | 05:30 |
tristan_ | so I can't harden it's temp directory a bit with the mount options noexec,nosuid,nodev | 05:30 |
tristan_ | and have to allow users to fill the root with there temporary crap? | 05:31 |
ogra-classmate | fargiolas: we're still discussing that with our marketing team, shipping two cds is significantly more expensive | 05:31 |
fargiolas | i understand | 05:31 |
ogra-classmate | tristan_: you would have to hack up the ltsp scripts for that | 05:31 |
tristan_ | why? | 05:31 |
ogra-classmate | the filesystems a thin client uses are all in ram | 05:32 |
tristan_ | if i create mountpoints it's just working as asual i thought | 05:32 |
tristan_ | hmmz | 05:32 |
ogra-classmate | and handled very special | 05:32 |
tristan_ | so they don't touch the hdd? | 05:32 |
ogra-classmate | there is nothing you could "harden" | 05:33 |
tristan_ | dont really get it :P | 05:33 |
tristan_ | the thinclients load the stuff under /opt/ltsp/i386 in their memory? | 05:34 |
ogra-classmate | yes | 05:34 |
ogra-classmate | well, what they do is the following: | 05:35 |
ogra-classmate | boot the kernel, mount the initramfs, mount an nfsroot (radonly) from the server ... | 05:35 |
ogra-classmate | then make temporary directories and files in ram for the rw stuff | 05:36 |
ogra-classmate | then bind or move mount them over the redonly files | 05:36 |
ogra-classmate | *readonly | 05:36 |
tristan_ | like a livecd? | 05:37 |
ogra-classmate | so the system has all files it needs in rw mode to boot, start X and ldm but nothing more .... | 05:37 |
ogra-classmate | right | 05:37 |
tristan_ | and where do the users store their files? | 05:37 |
ogra-classmate | well, a livecd operates simpler by using unionfs | 05:37 |
ogra-classmate | which doesnt work on nfs mounts | 05:37 |
tristan_ | or can't they store their files? | 05:38 |
ogra-classmate | users arent related with thin clients at all | 05:38 |
tristan_ | ok | 05:38 |
tristan_ | :) | 05:38 |
ogra-classmate | ldm logs you in on the se5rvers desktop ... the thin client is only the underlying tech | 05:38 |
ogra-classmate | imagine a thin client as an additional set of monitor, mouse,keyboard, speaker and usbhub | 05:39 |
tristan_ | i did imagine it as a multiseat system | 05:39 |
ogra-classmate | (you wuldnt try to "harden" the garphics card drivers of your desktop, would you ?) :) | 05:40 |
tristan_ | hehe | 05:40 |
tristan_ | no | 05:40 |
ogra-classmate | multiseat is the above via a physical pci card, ltsp is the same over ethernet | 05:41 |
ogra-classmate | (with pc hardware instead of teh pci card) | 05:41 |
tristan_ | what does the installer means with primary network interface? | 05:42 |
tristan_ | the uplink or my lan? | 05:42 |
ogra-classmate | the default gw to the internet | 05:42 |
tristan_ | ok | 05:42 |
tristan_ | :) | 05:42 |
tristan_ | i was wondering about that since the primary purpose of that system is to play a server for my lan ;p | 05:43 |
ogra-classmate | yeah, we need to reword that part of the installer, youre not the first to complain | 05:44 |
tristan_ | I did choose for the internet though, since I need that for the packagemanager | 05:45 |
ogra-classmate | right | 05:45 |
tristan_ | but do you think it's a good plan to use edubuntu for a internetcafe? | 05:47 |
ogra-classmate | indeed it is | 05:47 |
ogra-classmate | :) | 05:47 |
tristan_ | unfortently I don't have Edubuntu stickers | 05:48 |
tristan_ | :P | 05:48 |
ogra-classmate | juliux sells them iirc | 05:48 |
tristan_ | how expensive are they? | 05:49 |
tristan_ | or how cheap | 05:49 |
tristan_ | how much do they cost i mean | 05:49 |
ogra-classmate | no idea | 05:49 |
tristan_ | it's a shame their isn't a ubuntu store with flags and posters and stuff | 05:49 |
juliux | tristan_, normaly we take 0.50 for one sticker | 05:49 |
juliux | tristan_, without shipping | 05:49 |
ogra-classmate | there is a cafepress store with ubuntu stuff | 05:50 |
tristan_ | how do they looklike? | 05:50 |
tristan_ | ogra-classmate: do you have a link? | 05:50 |
ogra-classmate | nope | 05:50 |
ogra-classmate | but i know there is one | 05:50 |
juliux | tristan_, i am searching for the link | 05:50 |
tristan_ | i found it already | 05:50 |
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ogra-classmate | my bookmarks are on another system | 05:51 |
juliux | ogra-classmate, open synaptic install unison, and sync your systems;) | 05:51 |
ogra-classmate | juliux: well, the classmate only has 1GIG for userdata | 05:52 |
ogra-classmate | my evolution folder alone is 2 gig | 05:52 |
juliux | tristan_, http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/spreadubuntu/DIY%20Material/Batch_2_Stickers/poweredbyedubuntu.svg | 05:52 |
juliux | ogra, oh, but you can use nfs;) | 05:52 |
ogra-classmate | plus 40-50 gig of package builds and development stuff pls several gig of iso builds | 05:52 |
ogra-classmate | indeed, but i'M testing the classmate, that would be cheating | 05:53 |
ogra-classmate | ;) | 05:53 |
tristan_ | juliux: those edubuntu letters don't fit? | 05:53 |
tristan_ | or did I screw something on my PC? | 05:53 |
tristan_ | wait.. i try again | 05:54 |
stgraber | tristan_: I guess you don't have the font | 05:54 |
tristan_ | i think so | 05:54 |
stgraber | sudo apt-get install ttf-ubuntu-title | 05:54 |
stgraber | I think that's the one they are using | 05:54 |
ogra-classmate | yup | 05:54 |
tristan_ | juliux: looks nice | 06:02 |
tristan_ | how do I order those stickers? | 06:02 |
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juliux | tristan_, where are you from? | 06:16 |
tristan_ | the netherlands | 06:19 |
juliux | tristan_, perfect | 06:21 |
juliux | tristan_, i will send some shirts to seveas the next weeks so i can send the sticker with the shirts together so shipping is cheaper | 06:22 |
tristan_ | how can I pay for it? | 06:23 |
juliux | tristan_, paypal or banktransfer | 06:24 |
tristan_ | can you mail me your paypal details? | 06:24 |
tristan_ | then I upgrade my paypal balance and send you the money | 06:24 |
tristan_ | banktransfer takes more time since I have to call my bank for that | 06:25 |
tristan_ | my bank is very oldfashioned | 06:25 |
tristan_ | they are also closed after 23:00 online | 06:25 |
juliux | lol | 06:26 |
juliux | tristan_, it is ok for you if i send the stickert to seveas and he can send you the stickers then | 06:26 |
juliux | tristan_, i think it s cheaper | 06:27 |
tristan_ | it's ok | 06:27 |
juliux | how much stickers you want? | 06:28 |
tristan_ | how much do I have to pay for 5 stickers? | 06:28 |
juliux | 2 | 06:28 |
tristan_ | ok | 06:28 |
tristan_ | I take 5 | 06:28 |
tristan_ | do you have more promotional stuff? | 06:28 |
juliux | not for edubuntu | 06:29 |
juliux | only for ubuntu | 06:29 |
tristan_ | like what? | 06:29 |
juliux | http://ubuntu.juliux.de/shirt/polo.jpg these polo and t-shirts | 06:30 |
juliux | and the rest of the sticker series;) | 06:30 |
juliux | for the shirts also see http://forum.ubuntu-nl.org/topic/9501 | 06:31 |
tristan_ | I have sended you the money with paypal | 06:36 |
tristan_ | if you need more just ask | 06:36 |
juliux | tristan_, i will say seveas that i send him some stickers for you | 06:38 |
tristan_ | ok | 06:38 |
juliux | tristan_, can you pls send me your address to jbloch@edubuntu.org | 06:39 |
tristan_ | sure | 06:40 |
tristan_ | done | 06:44 |
juliux | thxs | 06:55 |
tristan_ | yeah.. I screwed the installer :) | 07:03 |
tristan_ | stupid partitioner was acting like a peace of crap | 07:03 |
tristan_ | :P | 07:04 |
tristan_ | somehow he didn't want to mount /dev/hdb1 at /home/tristan | 07:04 |
tristan_ | like he always did | 07:04 |
tristan_ | and after a few times trying nothing in the installationmenu was working | 07:05 |
tristan_ | :) | 07:05 |
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tristan_ | I love it how easy things become complicated | 07:05 |
tristan_ | and no it's not sarcasm | 07:06 |
tristan_ | strange | 07:26 |
tristan_ | the installer can't mount /dev/hdb1 at /home/tristan | 07:26 |
tristan_ | but it always did | 07:26 |
tristan_ | and I'm able to mount it by hand too | 07:27 |
tristan_ | so I didn't screw that partition or something | 07:27 |
tristan_ | hmmz | 07:59 |
tristan_ | wtf | 08:00 |
tristan_ | my fresh installed system gives an grub error 18 | 08:00 |
tristan_ | strange things happening today | 08:00 |
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ace_ | hi ya | 09:03 |
ace_ | Lazy Sunday Afternoon !? | 09:04 |
ace_ | inxstall x11vnc on the client ? | 09:07 |
ace_ | cp /etc/apt/sources.list /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list | 09:11 |
ace_ | ping ogra | 09:12 |
ace_ | How can I add or react to the edubuntu community pages ? | 09:13 |
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tristan_ | yeah | 09:52 |
tristan_ | my thin client is working | 09:52 |
tristan_ | except a small kernel panic | 09:52 |
tristan_ | :P | 09:52 |
tristan_ | have to fix that | 09:52 |
tristan_ | but since it doesn't have a specific task I can say it's working | 09:52 |
tristan_ | :) | 09:52 |
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tristan2 | so | 10:15 |
tristan2 | my thin client is working | 10:15 |
tristan2 | still don't know where that kernelpanic came from | 10:15 |
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tristan2 | wtf | 10:16 |
tristan2 | fuck the partitioner in the install | 10:17 |
tristan2 | it said something about not using /dev/hdb1 so I espected it to don't touch it | 10:17 |
tristan2 | and don't create mountpoints for it | 10:17 |
tristan2 | well.. that last one he didn't do | 10:17 |
tristan2 | but it dropped my partitiontable :( | 10:18 |
tristan2 | but my thin client is working :) | 10:18 |
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Sleepy_Coder | brb. :p | 10:25 |
tristan2 | ohw djzs | 10:26 |
tristan2 | i needed coffee | 10:26 |
tristan2 | wtf | 10:26 |
tristan2 | made a fat typo with cfdisk | 10:26 |
tristan2 | :P | 10:26 |
tristan2 | partitiontable is still their | 10:26 |
tristan2 | but I can't mount it | 10:26 |
ace_ | can anyone explain to me who denemo don't work, or how to get it working ? | 10:37 |
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ace_ | anyone can tell me how to get denemo working ? | 11:13 |
Burgundavia | what doesnt work? | 11:13 |
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cbx33 | denemo had a lot of bugs last time i saw it | 11:25 |
ace_ | the sound dont work | 11:27 |
ace_ | at all | 11:27 |
cbx33 | i think i filed about 4 bugs | 11:29 |
ace_ | cbx33: did you get it to make sound at least ? | 11:29 |
cbx33 | no | 11:29 |
ace_ | I don't understand why these packages are included | 11:30 |
cbx33 | i don't know why this one was | 11:35 |
ace_ | well after I installed timidity, it works | 11:40 |
cbx33 | heheh | 11:42 |
tristan_ | someone knows why I cant mount my partition as ext3, but I can mount it as ext2? | 12:20 |
tristan_ | do I have to run fsck, or what? | 12:20 |
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