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tristan_so.. time to fix my social-inet-table-with-ubuntu-stickers(tm)02:08
tristan_wrong chan02:08
tristan_but for the persons interested02:11
tristan_it's a table with both-sides(r) installed on it02:11
tristan_oO02:11
tristan_it always has a right side02:12
tristan_so it's never turned backwards02:12
tristan_invented it myself02:12
tristan_I'm a genius02:13
tristan_(:02:13
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jonathan_Ok having another issue w/ LTSP.  The client can get an ip and all is well there but eth1 (internet) will not connect to any website02:23
jonathan_If I bring eth0 (dhcp server side) down I can then connect to the internets...02:24
jonathan_any suggestions?02:24
Kamping_Kaiserjonathan_, sounds like your eth0 and eth1 are using the same network space02:24
jonathan_yes 192.168.0.101 is my internet interface eth1 and eth0 is 192.168.0.1 is the dhcp side02:25
Kamping_Kaiseryou have to change one02:26
jonathan_so i should change to 192.168.1.x for internet side?02:26
Kamping_Kaiserthat would do02:26
jonathan_ok excellent observation I will try this02:26
tristan_you maybe have to change your routerconfig as well if your connected through one02:29
tristan_or am I wrong?02:29
Kamping_Kaiserno, thats correct02:29
jonathan_I don't plan on changing the client side address... that would require changing the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf correct?02:34
jonathan_for the internet side I'm getting dhcp from a wireless router... for the client side I have a switch that's not connected to the router02:35
Kamping_Kaiserso on the internet side, you need to change the dhcp server in the router, and you can leave the client side alone02:36
jonathan_yes02:38
jonathan_makes sense02:38
jonathan_while I'm at... I opened the tcm and it notated I had to install x11vnc on the client to see that desktop... how do you do that?02:41
Kamping_Kaisertcm?02:41
jonathan_um the terminal client manager i think02:41
Kamping_Kaiseroh, havent used that02:42
jonathan_it's neat02:42
jonathan_you can execute progs, send messages, blank screens, disconnect users02:42
Kamping_Kaiseri'll probably see it in the next LTS02:43
jonathan_and somehow remote connect02:43
tristan_is it also possible to monitor their desktop?02:43
jonathan_yes... but look at my question above02:43
jonathan_it's under system/administration/02:43
tristan_i don't know an answer since I didn't install it yet, sorry :(02:44
jonathan_no problem02:46
Kamping_Kaisersudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install x11vnc02:46
jonathan_if i see yah again i'd let yah know how i got it to work ')02:46
Kamping_Kaiseris iirc the command, but i'm not sure if it will do what you expect ;)02:46
jonathan_I'll give that a go also02:49
jonathan_I'm giving this ltsp setup a girl's home (troubled teen girls) any suggested apps?02:50
jonathan_to a girl's home02:51
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jonathan_OK got the internets to work on the client side, thanks for the suggestion!03:30
jonathan_but I cannot install x11vnc under chroot03:31
jonathan_I copied my sources over to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/03:31
jonathan_sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i38603:31
jonathan_apt-get update I get errors that it cannot find the repos03:31
jonathan_I can't ping anything while I'm in chroot either03:32
jonathan_suggestions?03:33
tristan_ifup eth0 ?03:35
tristan_without the `?' ofcourse03:36
jonathan_ifup: failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory03:36
tristan_maybe manual create /var/run/network ?03:38
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jonathan_eh03:40
tristan_doesn't work?03:44
jonathan_negative03:47
tristan_:(03:49
Kamping_Kaiserjonathan_, you will (probably) have to bind in /proc and /dev03:50
jonathan_sudo mount -t proc proc /opt/ltsp/i386/proc <- before I did this I couldn't see any interfaces under chroot03:50
Kamping_Kaisersudo mount --bind /proc /opt/ltsp/i386/proc03:51
Kamping_Kaisersudo mount --bind /dev /opt/ltsp/i386/dev03:51
Kamping_Kaisersudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/03:51
Kamping_Kaiserapt-get update03:51
jonathan_ok did that03:52
jonathan_still getting errors03:52
jonathan_Err http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security Release.gpg03:52
jonathan_  Could not resolve 'security.ubuntu.com'03:52
jonathan_can't ping anything under chroot either03:53
Kamping_Kaiseranything in /dev/ or /proc?03:53
jonathan_under chroot?03:53
jonathan_yes in chroot there is03:54
Kamping_Kaiserwhat does ifconfig return?03:54
jonathan_all my interfaces correctly03:54
jonathan_shall I restart? LOL03:56
Kamping_Kaiseri ran the 3 commands i gave you, and i can ping out of my chroot03:57
jonathan_interesting03:57
jonathan_let me restart03:57
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jonathan_Ok I can ping within my network but not out04:07
jonathan_eth0 192.168.0.1 - dhcp server04:08
jonathan_eth1 192.168.1.1 - internet side04:08
jonathan_I can ping both of those interfaces and also any other interface on the 192.168.1.x side04:08
jonathan_and I can also ping anything having a 192.168.0.x addy04:09
Kamping_Kaiserso you can ping the router but not the internet?04:11
jonathan_I think I've got it... dns isn't working under chroot04:11
jonathan_i can ping google04:11
jonathan_google's ip excuse me04:11
jonathan_it's gotta be dns in the chroot04:12
jonathan_Of course I wouldn't even know where to start to fix that, being the noob I am04:14
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sbalneavEvening all04:22
tristan_/etc/resolv.conf04:22
tristan_it should contain something like `nameserver 0.0.0.004:22
tristan_where 0.0.0.0 should be the ip adress of the dns server ofcourse04:23
tristan_without the `04:23
jonathan_excellent it was wrong thanks!04:24
jonathan_this channel rocks thanks for all the help Kamping and tristan04:25
tristan_this was the first time i helped04:26
tristan_normally I talk to much and give bad advise04:26
jonathan_lol04:26
jonathan_you did well04:26
jonathan_well if this issue comes up again you got it04:27
tristan_do you maybe know someone with a chaintech zenith 7njs motherboard?04:29
tristan_the manual isn't available on the website anymore04:29
tristan_and i've lost it04:29
tristan_and it's giving an error on it's frontpanel04:29
LaserJockhi sbalneav, how's it going?04:42
sbalneavNot bad. Working hard.04:42
sbalneavSpawning ssh from a C program is hard. :(04:42
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pygihi cbx3308:07
cbx33hey pygi08:07
pygihow is it going? :)08:07
LaserJockhi cbx3308:08
pygiLaserJock, ^_^08:08
cbx33yeh good thanks08:08
cbx33hey LaserJock08:08
cbx33howz it going people08:11
pygipretty good, thanks :)08:11
cbx33just hacking around with gstreamer08:11
pygihehe =)08:11
pygiwhat new are you preparing this time? ;)08:12
cbx33just working on vcs-frenzy08:12
pygiah, why do you need gst then? o.O08:12
cbx33on one computer I have it seems to hog all sound08:12
cbx33audio notifications of repo changes ;)08:12
pygiah :P08:13
cbx33but when I just test it here08:13
pygiwill one be able to turn it off? :P08:13
cbx33it doesn't seem to have an issue08:13
cbx33it's totally configurable08:13
pygigreat ^08:13
cbx33it's of by default08:13
pygi^_^08:13
pygismart move :p08:13
cbx33you can choose a generic sound08:13
cbx33or a repo specific one08:13
cbx33up to you08:13
pygigot it08:14
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fargiolashi maybe i'm doing something wrong: i've installed edubuntu on a virtual machine (3 hours of installation) and now i was looking for scientific programs but there is no one of these mentioned on the web page04:37
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fargiolasdo i have to install everything from repositories?04:39
fargiolasif yes i can do it even with standard ubuntu.. what's the difference with edubuntu? it's just a ltsp ready ubuntu?04:40
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fargiolasanybody in?04:47
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fargiolasno answer? so is there no educative software on edubuntu cd?05:18
ogra-classmatethe edu software is on the educational addon cd, if you use the two cd set you will have it05:19
ogra-classmateand its on the demo desktop of the livecd which due to technical restrictions of the livecd installer isnt able to install it05:20
fargiolasogra-classmate: i've got the cd shipped by launchpad ship-it service05:24
ogra-classmateyeah, thst the server CD05:24
ogra-classmatei thought it tells you about the addon CD on the inside05:25
fargiolaswhy don't they shi p the live cd as demo-cd from shipt?05:25
fargiolasit says nothing about addon :(05:25
fargiolasand it took 3 hours to install on a virtual machine :(05:25
ogra-classmatebecause the major amount of our users wants to set up a classroom server in areas where you barely have power, not to talk about bandwith05:26
ogra-classmatethe server stuff doesnt5 fit on the livecd05:26
ogra-classmateits way to small05:26
tristan_question: how do I partition my HDD, since I'm used to make different directories with different mountoptions...05:27
tristan_and it looks like edubuntu is storing a lot under /opt05:27
ogra-classmateneither can we ship a DVD because the majority of users doesnt even have a DVD reader (or writer for downloading)05:27
fargiolasogra-classmate: i just wanted to show educational software to my mother (a primary school teacher).. do you suggest to download the live cd?05:28
ogra-classmatetristan_: about 400meg for the thin client system... if you dont want to try or use ltsp, pick a workstation install in the menu05:28
tristan_i want to use ltsp05:28
ogra-classmatefargiolas: for just showing it, yes, thats what the livecd is for05:28
tristan_but the thin client is using the environment under /opt/ltsp/i386?05:28
ogra-classmateright05:28
fargiolasthanks05:29
tristan_so I have just to make mountpoints under it, like /opt/ltsp/i386/tmp like I always did with /tmp on my workstations?05:29
ogra-classmatefargiolas: we'll optimize all that fgor gutsy, its our first release with two cds05:29
ogra-classmatetristan_: no, dont touch whats under /opt/ltsp05:30
tristan_hmmz05:30
fargiolasogra-classmate: will the be shipped both by launchpad shipit?05:30
ogra-classmateif you change anything in there it will break the client boot05:30
tristan_so I can't harden it's temp directory a bit with the mount options noexec,nosuid,nodev05:30
tristan_and have to allow users to fill the root with there temporary crap?05:31
ogra-classmatefargiolas: we're still discussing that with our marketing team, shipping two cds is significantly more expensive05:31
fargiolasi understand05:31
ogra-classmatetristan_: you would have to hack up the ltsp scripts for that05:31
tristan_why?05:31
ogra-classmatethe filesystems a thin client uses are all in ram05:32
tristan_if i create mountpoints it's just working as asual i thought05:32
tristan_hmmz05:32
ogra-classmateand handled very special05:32
tristan_so they don't touch the hdd?05:32
ogra-classmatethere is nothing you could "harden"05:33
tristan_dont really get it :P05:33
tristan_the thinclients load the stuff under /opt/ltsp/i386 in their memory?05:34
ogra-classmateyes05:34
ogra-classmatewell, what they do is the following:05:35
ogra-classmateboot the kernel, mount the initramfs, mount an nfsroot (radonly) from the server ...05:35
ogra-classmatethen make temporary directories and files in ram for the rw stuff05:36
ogra-classmatethen bind or move mount them over the redonly files05:36
ogra-classmate*readonly05:36
tristan_like a livecd?05:37
ogra-classmateso the system has all files it needs in rw mode to boot, start X and ldm but nothing more ....05:37
ogra-classmateright05:37
tristan_and where do the users store their files?05:37
ogra-classmatewell, a livecd operates simpler by using unionfs05:37
ogra-classmatewhich doesnt work on nfs mounts05:37
tristan_or can't they store their files?05:38
ogra-classmateusers arent related with thin clients at all05:38
tristan_ok05:38
tristan_:)05:38
ogra-classmateldm logs you in on the se5rvers desktop ... the thin client is only the underlying tech05:38
ogra-classmateimagine a thin client as an additional set of monitor, mouse,keyboard, speaker and usbhub05:39
tristan_i did imagine it as a multiseat system05:39
ogra-classmate(you wuldnt try to "harden" the garphics card drivers of your desktop, would you ?) :)05:40
tristan_hehe05:40
tristan_no05:40
ogra-classmatemultiseat is the above via a physical pci card, ltsp is the same over ethernet05:41
ogra-classmate(with pc hardware instead of teh pci card)05:41
tristan_what does the installer means with primary network interface?05:42
tristan_the uplink or my lan?05:42
ogra-classmatethe default gw to the internet05:42
tristan_ok05:42
tristan_:)05:42
tristan_i was wondering about that since the primary purpose of that system is to play a server for my lan ;p05:43
ogra-classmateyeah, we need to reword that part of the installer, youre not the first to complain05:44
tristan_I did choose for the internet though, since I need that for the packagemanager05:45
ogra-classmateright05:45
tristan_but do you think it's a good plan to use edubuntu for a internetcafe?05:47
ogra-classmateindeed it is05:47
ogra-classmate:)05:47
tristan_unfortently I don't have Edubuntu stickers05:48
tristan_:P05:48
ogra-classmatejuliux sells them iirc05:48
tristan_how expensive are they?05:49
tristan_or how cheap05:49
tristan_how much do they cost i mean05:49
ogra-classmateno idea05:49
tristan_it's a shame their isn't a ubuntu store with flags and posters and stuff05:49
juliuxtristan_, normaly we take 0.50 for one sticker05:49
juliuxtristan_, without shipping05:49
ogra-classmatethere is a cafepress store with ubuntu stuff05:50
tristan_how do they looklike?05:50
tristan_ogra-classmate: do you have a link?05:50
ogra-classmatenope05:50
ogra-classmatebut i know there is one05:50
juliuxtristan_, i am searching for the link05:50
tristan_i found it already05:50
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ogra-classmatemy bookmarks are on another system05:51
juliuxogra-classmate, open synaptic install unison, and sync your systems;)05:51
ogra-classmatejuliux: well, the classmate only has 1GIG for userdata05:52
ogra-classmatemy evolution folder alone is 2 gig05:52
juliuxtristan_, http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/spreadubuntu/DIY%20Material/Batch_2_Stickers/poweredbyedubuntu.svg05:52
juliuxogra, oh, but you can use nfs;)05:52
ogra-classmateplus 40-50 gig of package builds and development stuff pls several gig of iso builds05:52
ogra-classmateindeed, but i'M testing the classmate, that would be cheating05:53
ogra-classmate;)05:53
tristan_juliux: those edubuntu letters don't fit?05:53
tristan_or did I screw something on my PC?05:53
tristan_wait.. i try again05:54
stgrabertristan_: I guess you don't have the font05:54
tristan_i think so05:54
stgrabersudo apt-get install ttf-ubuntu-title05:54
stgraberI think that's the one they are using05:54
ogra-classmateyup05:54
tristan_juliux: looks nice06:02
tristan_how do I order those stickers?06:02
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juliuxtristan_, where are you from?06:16
tristan_the netherlands06:19
juliuxtristan_, perfect06:21
juliuxtristan_, i will send some shirts to seveas the next weeks so i can send the sticker with the shirts together so shipping is cheaper06:22
tristan_how can I pay for it?06:23
juliuxtristan_, paypal or banktransfer06:24
tristan_can you mail me your paypal details?06:24
tristan_then I upgrade my paypal balance and send you the money06:24
tristan_banktransfer takes more time since I have to call my bank for that06:25
tristan_my bank is very oldfashioned06:25
tristan_they are also closed after 23:00 online06:25
juliuxlol06:26
juliuxtristan_, it is ok for you if i send the stickert to seveas and he can send you the stickers then06:26
juliuxtristan_, i think it s cheaper06:27
tristan_it's ok06:27
juliuxhow much stickers you want?06:28
tristan_how much do I have to pay for 5 stickers?06:28
juliux206:28
tristan_ok06:28
tristan_I take 506:28
tristan_do you have more promotional stuff?06:28
juliuxnot for edubuntu06:29
juliuxonly for ubuntu06:29
tristan_like what?06:29
juliuxhttp://ubuntu.juliux.de/shirt/polo.jpg these polo and t-shirts06:30
juliuxand the rest of the sticker series;)06:30
juliuxfor the shirts also see http://forum.ubuntu-nl.org/topic/950106:31
tristan_I have sended you the money with paypal06:36
tristan_if you need more just ask06:36
juliuxtristan_, i will say seveas that i send him some stickers for you06:38
tristan_ok06:38
juliuxtristan_, can you pls send me your address to jbloch@edubuntu.org06:39
tristan_sure06:40
tristan_done06:44
juliuxthxs06:55
tristan_yeah.. I screwed the installer :)07:03
tristan_stupid partitioner was acting like a peace of crap07:03
tristan_:P07:04
tristan_somehow he didn't want to mount /dev/hdb1 at /home/tristan07:04
tristan_like he always did07:04
tristan_and after a few times trying nothing in the installationmenu was working07:05
tristan_:)07:05
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tristan_I love it how easy things become complicated07:05
tristan_and no it's not sarcasm07:06
tristan_strange07:26
tristan_the installer can't mount /dev/hdb1 at /home/tristan07:26
tristan_but it always did07:26
tristan_and I'm able to mount it by hand too07:27
tristan_so I didn't screw that partition or something07:27
tristan_hmmz07:59
tristan_wtf08:00
tristan_my fresh installed system gives an grub error 1808:00
tristan_strange things happening today08:00
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ace_hi ya09:03
ace_Lazy Sunday Afternoon !?09:04
ace_inxstall x11vnc on the client ?09:07
ace_cp /etc/apt/sources.list /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list09:11
ace_ping ogra09:12
ace_How can I add or react to the edubuntu community pages ?09:13
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tristan_yeah09:52
tristan_my thin client is working09:52
tristan_except a small kernel panic09:52
tristan_:P09:52
tristan_have to fix that09:52
tristan_but since it doesn't have a specific task I can say it's working09:52
tristan_:)09:52
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tristan2so10:15
tristan2my thin client is working10:15
tristan2still don't know where that kernelpanic came from10:15
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tristan2wtf10:16
tristan2fuck the partitioner in the install10:17
tristan2it said something about not using /dev/hdb1 so I espected it to don't touch it10:17
tristan2and don't create mountpoints for it10:17
tristan2well.. that last one he didn't do10:17
tristan2but it dropped my partitiontable :(10:18
tristan2but my thin client is working :)10:18
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Sleepy_Coderbrb. :p10:25
tristan2ohw djzs10:26
tristan2i needed coffee10:26
tristan2wtf10:26
tristan2made a fat typo with cfdisk10:26
tristan2:P10:26
tristan2partitiontable is still their10:26
tristan2but I can't mount it10:26
ace_can anyone explain to me who denemo don't work, or how to get it working ?10:37
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ace_anyone can tell me how to get denemo working ?11:13
Burgundaviawhat doesnt work?11:13
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cbx33denemo had a lot of bugs last time i saw it11:25
ace_the sound dont work11:27
ace_at all11:27
cbx33i think i filed about 4 bugs11:29
ace_cbx33: did you get it to make sound at least ?11:29
cbx33no11:29
ace_I don't understand why these packages are included11:30
cbx33i don't know why this one was11:35
ace_well after I installed timidity, it works11:40
cbx33heheh11:42
tristan_someone knows why I cant mount my partition as ext3, but I can mount it as ext2?12:20
tristan_do I have to run fsck, or what?12:20
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