[02:08] <tristan_> so.. time to fix my social-inet-table-with-ubuntu-stickers(tm)
[02:08] <tristan_> wrong chan
[02:11] <tristan_> but for the persons interested
[02:11] <tristan_> it's a table with both-sides(r) installed on it
[02:11] <tristan_> oO
[02:12] <tristan_> it always has a right side
[02:12] <tristan_> so it's never turned backwards
[02:12] <tristan_> invented it myself
[02:13] <tristan_> I'm a genius
[02:13] <tristan_> (:
[02:23] <jonathan_> Ok having another issue w/ LTSP.  The client can get an ip and all is well there but eth1 (internet) will not connect to any website
[02:24] <jonathan_> If I bring eth0 (dhcp server side) down I can then connect to the internets...
[02:24] <jonathan_> any suggestions?
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> jonathan_, sounds like your eth0 and eth1 are using the same network space
[02:25] <jonathan_> yes 192.168.0.101 is my internet interface eth1 and eth0 is 192.168.0.1 is the dhcp side
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> you have to change one
[02:26] <jonathan_> so i should change to 192.168.1.x for internet side?
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> that would do
[02:26] <jonathan_> ok excellent observation I will try this
[02:29] <tristan_> you maybe have to change your routerconfig as well if your connected through one
[02:29] <tristan_> or am I wrong?
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, thats correct
[02:34] <jonathan_> I don't plan on changing the client side address... that would require changing the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf correct?
[02:35] <jonathan_> for the internet side I'm getting dhcp from a wireless router... for the client side I have a switch that's not connected to the router
[02:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> so on the internet side, you need to change the dhcp server in the router, and you can leave the client side alone
[02:38] <jonathan_> yes
[02:38] <jonathan_> makes sense
[02:41] <jonathan_> while I'm at... I opened the tcm and it notated I had to install x11vnc on the client to see that desktop... how do you do that?
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> tcm?
[02:41] <jonathan_> um the terminal client manager i think
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, havent used that
[02:42] <jonathan_> it's neat
[02:42] <jonathan_> you can execute progs, send messages, blank screens, disconnect users
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'll probably see it in the next LTS
[02:43] <jonathan_> and somehow remote connect
[02:43] <tristan_> is it also possible to monitor their desktop?
[02:43] <jonathan_> yes... but look at my question above
[02:43] <jonathan_> it's under system/administration/
[02:44] <tristan_> i don't know an answer since I didn't install it yet, sorry :(
[02:46] <jonathan_> no problem
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install x11vnc
[02:46] <jonathan_> if i see yah again i'd let yah know how i got it to work ')
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> is iirc the command, but i'm not sure if it will do what you expect ;)
[02:49] <jonathan_> I'll give that a go also
[02:50] <jonathan_> I'm giving this ltsp setup a girl's home (troubled teen girls) any suggested apps?
[02:51] <jonathan_> to a girl's home
[03:30] <jonathan_> OK got the internets to work on the client side, thanks for the suggestion!
[03:31] <jonathan_> but I cannot install x11vnc under chroot
[03:31] <jonathan_> I copied my sources over to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/
[03:31] <jonathan_> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
[03:31] <jonathan_> apt-get update I get errors that it cannot find the repos
[03:32] <jonathan_> I can't ping anything while I'm in chroot either
[03:33] <jonathan_> suggestions?
[03:35] <tristan_> ifup eth0 ?
[03:36] <tristan_> without the `?' ofcourse
[03:36] <jonathan_> ifup: failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory
[03:38] <tristan_> maybe manual create /var/run/network ?
[03:40] <jonathan_> eh
[03:44] <tristan_> doesn't work?
[03:47] <jonathan_> negative
[03:49] <tristan_> :(
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> jonathan_, you will (probably) have to bind in /proc and /dev
[03:50] <jonathan_> sudo mount -t proc proc /opt/ltsp/i386/proc <- before I did this I couldn't see any interfaces under chroot
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo mount --bind /proc /opt/ltsp/i386/proc
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo mount --bind /dev /opt/ltsp/i386/dev
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get update
[03:52] <jonathan_> ok did that
[03:52] <jonathan_> still getting errors
[03:52] <jonathan_> Err http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security Release.gpg
[03:52] <jonathan_>   Could not resolve 'security.ubuntu.com'
[03:53] <jonathan_> can't ping anything under chroot either
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> anything in /dev/ or /proc?
[03:53] <jonathan_> under chroot?
[03:54] <jonathan_> yes in chroot there is
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> what does ifconfig return?
[03:54] <jonathan_> all my interfaces correctly
[03:56] <jonathan_> shall I restart? LOL
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> i ran the 3 commands i gave you, and i can ping out of my chroot
[03:57] <jonathan_> interesting
[03:57] <jonathan_> let me restart
[04:07] <jonathan_> Ok I can ping within my network but not out
[04:08] <jonathan_> eth0 192.168.0.1 - dhcp server
[04:08] <jonathan_> eth1 192.168.1.1 - internet side
[04:08] <jonathan_> I can ping both of those interfaces and also any other interface on the 192.168.1.x side
[04:09] <jonathan_> and I can also ping anything having a 192.168.0.x addy
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> so you can ping the router but not the internet?
[04:11] <jonathan_> I think I've got it... dns isn't working under chroot
[04:11] <jonathan_> i can ping google
[04:11] <jonathan_> google's ip excuse me
[04:12] <jonathan_> it's gotta be dns in the chroot
[04:14] <jonathan_> Of course I wouldn't even know where to start to fix that, being the noob I am
[04:22] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:22] <tristan_> /etc/resolv.conf
[04:22] <tristan_> it should contain something like `nameserver 0.0.0.0
[04:23] <tristan_> where 0.0.0.0 should be the ip adress of the dns server ofcourse
[04:23] <tristan_> without the `
[04:24] <jonathan_> excellent it was wrong thanks!
[04:25] <jonathan_> this channel rocks thanks for all the help Kamping and tristan
[04:26] <tristan_> this was the first time i helped
[04:26] <tristan_> normally I talk to much and give bad advise
[04:26] <jonathan_> lol
[04:26] <jonathan_> you did well
[04:27] <jonathan_> well if this issue comes up again you got it
[04:29] <tristan_> do you maybe know someone with a chaintech zenith 7njs motherboard?
[04:29] <tristan_> the manual isn't available on the website anymore
[04:29] <tristan_> and i've lost it
[04:29] <tristan_> and it's giving an error on it's frontpanel
[04:42] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav, how's it going?
[04:42] <sbalneav> Not bad. Working hard.
[04:42] <sbalneav> Spawning ssh from a C program is hard. :(
[08:07] <pygi> hi cbx33
[08:07] <cbx33> hey pygi
[08:07] <pygi> how is it going? :)
[08:08] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[08:08] <pygi> LaserJock, ^_^
[08:08] <cbx33> yeh good thanks
[08:08] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[08:11] <cbx33> howz it going people
[08:11] <pygi> pretty good, thanks :)
[08:11] <cbx33> just hacking around with gstreamer
[08:11] <pygi> hehe =)
[08:12] <pygi> what new are you preparing this time? ;)
[08:12] <cbx33> just working on vcs-frenzy
[08:12] <pygi> ah, why do you need gst then? o.O
[08:12] <cbx33> on one computer I have it seems to hog all sound
[08:12] <cbx33> audio notifications of repo changes ;)
[08:13] <pygi> ah :P
[08:13] <cbx33> but when I just test it here
[08:13] <pygi> will one be able to turn it off? :P
[08:13] <cbx33> it doesn't seem to have an issue
[08:13] <cbx33> it's totally configurable
[08:13] <pygi> great ^
[08:13] <cbx33> it's of by default
[08:13] <pygi> ^_^
[08:13] <pygi> smart move :p
[08:13] <cbx33> you can choose a generic sound
[08:13] <cbx33> or a repo specific one
[08:13] <cbx33> up to you
[08:14] <pygi> got it
[04:37] <fargiolas> hi maybe i'm doing something wrong: i've installed edubuntu on a virtual machine (3 hours of installation) and now i was looking for scientific programs but there is no one of these mentioned on the web page
[04:39] <fargiolas> do i have to install everything from repositories?
[04:40] <fargiolas> if yes i can do it even with standard ubuntu.. what's the difference with edubuntu? it's just a ltsp ready ubuntu?
[04:47] <fargiolas> anybody in?
[05:18] <fargiolas> no answer? so is there no educative software on edubuntu cd?
[05:19] <ogra-classmate> the edu software is on the educational addon cd, if you use the two cd set you will have it
[05:20] <ogra-classmate> and its on the demo desktop of the livecd which due to technical restrictions of the livecd installer isnt able to install it
[05:24] <fargiolas> ogra-classmate: i've got the cd shipped by launchpad ship-it service
[05:24] <ogra-classmate> yeah, thst the server CD
[05:25] <ogra-classmate> i thought it tells you about the addon CD on the inside
[05:25] <fargiolas> why don't they shi p the live cd as demo-cd from shipt?
[05:25] <fargiolas> it says nothing about addon :(
[05:25] <fargiolas> and it took 3 hours to install on a virtual machine :(
[05:26] <ogra-classmate> because the major amount of our users wants to set up a classroom server in areas where you barely have power, not to talk about bandwith
[05:26] <ogra-classmate> the server stuff doesnt5 fit on the livecd
[05:26] <ogra-classmate> its way to small
[05:27] <tristan_> question: how do I partition my HDD, since I'm used to make different directories with different mountoptions...
[05:27] <tristan_> and it looks like edubuntu is storing a lot under /opt
[05:27] <ogra-classmate> neither can we ship a DVD because the majority of users doesnt even have a DVD reader (or writer for downloading)
[05:28] <fargiolas> ogra-classmate: i just wanted to show educational software to my mother (a primary school teacher).. do you suggest to download the live cd?
[05:28] <ogra-classmate> tristan_: about 400meg for the thin client system... if you dont want to try or use ltsp, pick a workstation install in the menu
[05:28] <tristan_> i want to use ltsp
[05:28] <ogra-classmate> fargiolas: for just showing it, yes, thats what the livecd is for
[05:28] <tristan_> but the thin client is using the environment under /opt/ltsp/i386?
[05:28] <ogra-classmate> right
[05:29] <fargiolas> thanks
[05:29] <tristan_> so I have just to make mountpoints under it, like /opt/ltsp/i386/tmp like I always did with /tmp on my workstations?
[05:29] <ogra-classmate> fargiolas: we'll optimize all that fgor gutsy, its our first release with two cds
[05:30] <ogra-classmate> tristan_: no, dont touch whats under /opt/ltsp
[05:30] <tristan_> hmmz
[05:30] <fargiolas> ogra-classmate: will the be shipped both by launchpad shipit?
[05:30] <ogra-classmate> if you change anything in there it will break the client boot
[05:30] <tristan_> so I can't harden it's temp directory a bit with the mount options noexec,nosuid,nodev
[05:31] <tristan_> and have to allow users to fill the root with there temporary crap?
[05:31] <ogra-classmate> fargiolas: we're still discussing that with our marketing team, shipping two cds is significantly more expensive
[05:31] <fargiolas> i understand
[05:31] <ogra-classmate> tristan_: you would have to hack up the ltsp scripts for that
[05:31] <tristan_> why?
[05:32] <ogra-classmate> the filesystems a thin client uses are all in ram
[05:32] <tristan_> if i create mountpoints it's just working as asual i thought
[05:32] <tristan_> hmmz
[05:32] <ogra-classmate> and handled very special
[05:32] <tristan_> so they don't touch the hdd?
[05:33] <ogra-classmate> there is nothing you could "harden"
[05:33] <tristan_> dont really get it :P
[05:34] <tristan_> the thinclients load the stuff under /opt/ltsp/i386 in their memory?
[05:34] <ogra-classmate> yes
[05:35] <ogra-classmate> well, what they do is the following:
[05:35] <ogra-classmate> boot the kernel, mount the initramfs, mount an nfsroot (radonly) from the server ...
[05:36] <ogra-classmate> then make temporary directories and files in ram for the rw stuff
[05:36] <ogra-classmate> then bind or move mount them over the redonly files
[05:36] <ogra-classmate> *readonly
[05:37] <tristan_> like a livecd?
[05:37] <ogra-classmate> so the system has all files it needs in rw mode to boot, start X and ldm but nothing more ....
[05:37] <ogra-classmate> right
[05:37] <tristan_> and where do the users store their files?
[05:37] <ogra-classmate> well, a livecd operates simpler by using unionfs
[05:37] <ogra-classmate> which doesnt work on nfs mounts
[05:38] <tristan_> or can't they store their files?
[05:38] <ogra-classmate> users arent related with thin clients at all
[05:38] <tristan_> ok
[05:38] <tristan_> :)
[05:38] <ogra-classmate> ldm logs you in on the se5rvers desktop ... the thin client is only the underlying tech
[05:39] <ogra-classmate> imagine a thin client as an additional set of monitor, mouse,keyboard, speaker and usbhub
[05:39] <tristan_> i did imagine it as a multiseat system
[05:40] <ogra-classmate> (you wuldnt try to "harden" the garphics card drivers of your desktop, would you ?) :)
[05:40] <tristan_> hehe
[05:40] <tristan_> no
[05:41] <ogra-classmate> multiseat is the above via a physical pci card, ltsp is the same over ethernet
[05:41] <ogra-classmate> (with pc hardware instead of teh pci card)
[05:42] <tristan_> what does the installer means with primary network interface?
[05:42] <tristan_> the uplink or my lan?
[05:42] <ogra-classmate> the default gw to the internet
[05:42] <tristan_> ok
[05:42] <tristan_> :)
[05:43] <tristan_> i was wondering about that since the primary purpose of that system is to play a server for my lan ;p
[05:44] <ogra-classmate> yeah, we need to reword that part of the installer, youre not the first to complain
[05:45] <tristan_> I did choose for the internet though, since I need that for the packagemanager
[05:45] <ogra-classmate> right
[05:47] <tristan_> but do you think it's a good plan to use edubuntu for a internetcafe?
[05:47] <ogra-classmate> indeed it is
[05:47] <ogra-classmate> :)
[05:48] <tristan_> unfortently I don't have Edubuntu stickers
[05:48] <tristan_> :P
[05:48] <ogra-classmate> juliux sells them iirc
[05:49] <tristan_> how expensive are they?
[05:49] <tristan_> or how cheap
[05:49] <tristan_> how much do they cost i mean
[05:49] <ogra-classmate> no idea
[05:49] <tristan_> it's a shame their isn't a ubuntu store with flags and posters and stuff
[05:49] <juliux> tristan_, normaly we take 0.50 for one sticker
[05:49] <juliux> tristan_, without shipping
[05:50] <ogra-classmate> there is a cafepress store with ubuntu stuff
[05:50] <tristan_> how do they looklike?
[05:50] <tristan_> ogra-classmate: do you have a link?
[05:50] <ogra-classmate> nope
[05:50] <ogra-classmate> but i know there is one
[05:50] <juliux> tristan_, i am searching for the link
[05:50] <tristan_> i found it already
[05:51] <ogra-classmate> my bookmarks are on another system
[05:51] <juliux> ogra-classmate, open synaptic install unison, and sync your systems;)
[05:52] <ogra-classmate> juliux: well, the classmate only has 1GIG for userdata
[05:52] <ogra-classmate> my evolution folder alone is 2 gig
[05:52] <juliux> tristan_, http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/spreadubuntu/DIY%20Material/Batch_2_Stickers/poweredbyedubuntu.svg
[05:52] <juliux> ogra, oh, but you can use nfs;)
[05:52] <ogra-classmate> plus 40-50 gig of package builds and development stuff pls several gig of iso builds
[05:53] <ogra-classmate> indeed, but i'M testing the classmate, that would be cheating
[05:53] <ogra-classmate> ;)
[05:53] <tristan_> juliux: those edubuntu letters don't fit?
[05:53] <tristan_> or did I screw something on my PC?
[05:54] <tristan_> wait.. i try again
[05:54] <stgraber> tristan_: I guess you don't have the font
[05:54] <tristan_> i think so
[05:54] <stgraber> sudo apt-get install ttf-ubuntu-title
[05:54] <stgraber> I think that's the one they are using
[05:54] <ogra-classmate> yup
[06:02] <tristan_> juliux: looks nice
[06:02] <tristan_> how do I order those stickers?
[06:16] <juliux> tristan_, where are you from?
[06:19] <tristan_> the netherlands
[06:21] <juliux> tristan_, perfect
[06:22] <juliux> tristan_, i will send some shirts to seveas the next weeks so i can send the sticker with the shirts together so shipping is cheaper
[06:23] <tristan_> how can I pay for it?
[06:24] <juliux> tristan_, paypal or banktransfer
[06:24] <tristan_> can you mail me your paypal details?
[06:24] <tristan_> then I upgrade my paypal balance and send you the money
[06:25] <tristan_> banktransfer takes more time since I have to call my bank for that
[06:25] <tristan_> my bank is very oldfashioned
[06:25] <tristan_> they are also closed after 23:00 online
[06:26] <juliux> lol
[06:26] <juliux> tristan_, it is ok for you if i send the stickert to seveas and he can send you the stickers then
[06:27] <juliux> tristan_, i think it s cheaper
[06:27] <tristan_> it's ok
[06:28] <juliux> how much stickers you want?
[06:28] <tristan_> how much do I have to pay for 5 stickers?
[06:28] <juliux> 2
[06:28] <tristan_> ok
[06:28] <tristan_> I take 5
[06:28] <tristan_> do you have more promotional stuff?
[06:29] <juliux> not for edubuntu
[06:29] <juliux> only for ubuntu
[06:29] <tristan_> like what?
[06:30] <juliux> http://ubuntu.juliux.de/shirt/polo.jpg these polo and t-shirts
[06:30] <juliux> and the rest of the sticker series;)
[06:31] <juliux> for the shirts also see http://forum.ubuntu-nl.org/topic/9501
[06:36] <tristan_> I have sended you the money with paypal
[06:36] <tristan_> if you need more just ask
[06:38] <juliux> tristan_, i will say seveas that i send him some stickers for you
[06:38] <tristan_> ok
[06:39] <juliux> tristan_, can you pls send me your address to jbloch@edubuntu.org
[06:40] <tristan_> sure
[06:44] <tristan_> done
[06:55] <juliux> thxs
[07:03] <tristan_> yeah.. I screwed the installer :)
[07:03] <tristan_> stupid partitioner was acting like a peace of crap
[07:04] <tristan_> :P
[07:04] <tristan_> somehow he didn't want to mount /dev/hdb1 at /home/tristan
[07:04] <tristan_> like he always did
[07:05] <tristan_> and after a few times trying nothing in the installationmenu was working
[07:05] <tristan_> :)
[07:05] <tristan_> I love it how easy things become complicated
[07:06] <tristan_> and no it's not sarcasm
[07:26] <tristan_> strange
[07:26] <tristan_> the installer can't mount /dev/hdb1 at /home/tristan
[07:26] <tristan_> but it always did
[07:27] <tristan_> and I'm able to mount it by hand too
[07:27] <tristan_> so I didn't screw that partition or something
[07:59] <tristan_> hmmz
[08:00] <tristan_> wtf
[08:00] <tristan_> my fresh installed system gives an grub error 18
[08:00] <tristan_> strange things happening today
[09:03] <ace_> hi ya
[09:04] <ace_> Lazy Sunday Afternoon !?
[09:07] <ace_> inxstall x11vnc on the client ?
[09:11] <ace_> cp /etc/apt/sources.list /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
[09:12] <ace_> ping ogra
[09:13] <ace_> How can I add or react to the edubuntu community pages ?
[09:52] <tristan_> yeah
[09:52] <tristan_> my thin client is working
[09:52] <tristan_> except a small kernel panic
[09:52] <tristan_> :P
[09:52] <tristan_> have to fix that
[09:52] <tristan_> but since it doesn't have a specific task I can say it's working
[09:52] <tristan_> :)
[10:15] <tristan2> so
[10:15] <tristan2> my thin client is working
[10:15] <tristan2> still don't know where that kernelpanic came from
[10:16] <tristan2> wtf
[10:17] <tristan2> fuck the partitioner in the install
[10:17] <tristan2> it said something about not using /dev/hdb1 so I espected it to don't touch it
[10:17] <tristan2> and don't create mountpoints for it
[10:17] <tristan2> well.. that last one he didn't do
[10:18] <tristan2> but it dropped my partitiontable :(
[10:18] <tristan2> but my thin client is working :)
[10:25] <Sleepy_Coder> brb. :p
[10:26] <tristan2> ohw djzs
[10:26] <tristan2> i needed coffee
[10:26] <tristan2> wtf
[10:26] <tristan2> made a fat typo with cfdisk
[10:26] <tristan2> :P
[10:26] <tristan2> partitiontable is still their
[10:26] <tristan2> but I can't mount it
[10:37] <ace_> can anyone explain to me who denemo don't work, or how to get it working ?
[11:13] <ace_> anyone can tell me how to get denemo working ?
[11:13] <Burgundavia> what doesnt work?
[11:25] <cbx33> denemo had a lot of bugs last time i saw it
[11:27] <ace_> the sound dont work
[11:27] <ace_> at all
[11:29] <cbx33> i think i filed about 4 bugs
[11:29] <ace_> cbx33: did you get it to make sound at least ?
[11:29] <cbx33> no
[11:30] <ace_> I don't understand why these packages are included
[11:35] <cbx33> i don't know why this one was
[11:40] <ace_> well after I installed timidity, it works
[11:42] <cbx33> heheh
[12:20] <tristan_> someone knows why I cant mount my partition as ext3, but I can mount it as ext2?
[12:20] <tristan_> do I have to run fsck, or what?