=== paolo_ [n=paolo@adsl-ull-98-161.41-151.net24.it] has left #edubuntu ["Sto] === Rondom [n=Rondom@p57a950fe.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [02:08] so.. time to fix my social-inet-table-with-ubuntu-stickers(tm) [02:08] wrong chan [02:11] but for the persons interested [02:11] it's a table with both-sides(r) installed on it [02:11] oO [02:12] it always has a right side [02:12] so it's never turned backwards [02:12] invented it myself [02:13] I'm a genius [02:13] (: === merriam__ [n=merriam@85-211-245-180.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === jonathan_ [n=jonathan@c-24-11-104-2.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:23] Ok having another issue w/ LTSP. The client can get an ip and all is well there but eth1 (internet) will not connect to any website [02:24] If I bring eth0 (dhcp server side) down I can then connect to the internets... [02:24] any suggestions? [02:24] jonathan_, sounds like your eth0 and eth1 are using the same network space [02:25] yes 192.168.0.101 is my internet interface eth1 and eth0 is 192.168.0.1 is the dhcp side [02:26] you have to change one [02:26] so i should change to 192.168.1.x for internet side? [02:26] that would do [02:26] ok excellent observation I will try this [02:29] you maybe have to change your routerconfig as well if your connected through one [02:29] or am I wrong? [02:29] no, thats correct [02:34] I don't plan on changing the client side address... that would require changing the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf correct? [02:35] for the internet side I'm getting dhcp from a wireless router... for the client side I have a switch that's not connected to the router [02:36] so on the internet side, you need to change the dhcp server in the router, and you can leave the client side alone [02:38] yes [02:38] makes sense [02:41] while I'm at... I opened the tcm and it notated I had to install x11vnc on the client to see that desktop... how do you do that? [02:41] tcm? [02:41] um the terminal client manager i think [02:42] oh, havent used that [02:42] it's neat [02:42] you can execute progs, send messages, blank screens, disconnect users [02:43] i'll probably see it in the next LTS [02:43] and somehow remote connect [02:43] is it also possible to monitor their desktop? [02:43] yes... but look at my question above [02:43] it's under system/administration/ [02:44] i don't know an answer since I didn't install it yet, sorry :( [02:46] no problem [02:46] sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install x11vnc [02:46] if i see yah again i'd let yah know how i got it to work ') [02:46] is iirc the command, but i'm not sure if it will do what you expect ;) [02:49] I'll give that a go also [02:50] I'm giving this ltsp setup a girl's home (troubled teen girls) any suggested apps? [02:51] to a girl's home === mario_ [n=mario@83-131-71-29.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === mario_ is now known as pygi === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu === jonathan_ [n=jonathan@c-24-11-104-2.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:30] OK got the internets to work on the client side, thanks for the suggestion! [03:31] but I cannot install x11vnc under chroot [03:31] I copied my sources over to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/ [03:31] sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 [03:31] apt-get update I get errors that it cannot find the repos [03:32] I can't ping anything while I'm in chroot either [03:33] suggestions? [03:35] ifup eth0 ? [03:36] without the `?' ofcourse [03:36] ifup: failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory [03:38] maybe manual create /var/run/network ? === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [03:40] eh [03:44] doesn't work? [03:47] negative [03:49] :( [03:50] jonathan_, you will (probably) have to bind in /proc and /dev [03:50] sudo mount -t proc proc /opt/ltsp/i386/proc <- before I did this I couldn't see any interfaces under chroot [03:51] sudo mount --bind /proc /opt/ltsp/i386/proc [03:51] sudo mount --bind /dev /opt/ltsp/i386/dev [03:51] sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ [03:51] apt-get update [03:52] ok did that [03:52] still getting errors [03:52] Err http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security Release.gpg [03:52] Could not resolve 'security.ubuntu.com' [03:53] can't ping anything under chroot either [03:53] anything in /dev/ or /proc? [03:53] under chroot? [03:54] yes in chroot there is [03:54] what does ifconfig return? [03:54] all my interfaces correctly [03:56] shall I restart? LOL [03:57] i ran the 3 commands i gave you, and i can ping out of my chroot [03:57] interesting [03:57] let me restart === jonathan_ [n=jonathan@c-24-11-104-2.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #edubuntu [] === jonathan_ [n=jonathan@c-24-11-104-2.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:07] Ok I can ping within my network but not out [04:08] eth0 192.168.0.1 - dhcp server [04:08] eth1 192.168.1.1 - internet side [04:08] I can ping both of those interfaces and also any other interface on the 192.168.1.x side [04:09] and I can also ping anything having a 192.168.0.x addy [04:11] so you can ping the router but not the internet? [04:11] I think I've got it... dns isn't working under chroot [04:11] i can ping google [04:11] google's ip excuse me [04:12] it's gotta be dns in the chroot [04:14] Of course I wouldn't even know where to start to fix that, being the noob I am === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:22] Evening all [04:22] /etc/resolv.conf [04:22] it should contain something like `nameserver 0.0.0.0 [04:23] where 0.0.0.0 should be the ip adress of the dns server ofcourse [04:23] without the ` [04:24] excellent it was wrong thanks! [04:25] this channel rocks thanks for all the help Kamping and tristan [04:26] this was the first time i helped [04:26] normally I talk to much and give bad advise [04:26] lol [04:26] you did well [04:27] well if this issue comes up again you got it [04:29] do you maybe know someone with a chaintech zenith 7njs motherboard? [04:29] the manual isn't available on the website anymore [04:29] and i've lost it [04:29] and it's giving an error on it's frontpanel [04:42] hi sbalneav, how's it going? [04:42] Not bad. Working hard. [04:42] Spawning ssh from a C program is hard. :( === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === pauljw [n=paul@pool43.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu === t94xr_ [i=t94xr@60-234-134-174.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu === t94xr-lappy [n=sdfsd@60-234-134-174.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #edubuntu === jonathan_ [n=jonathan@c-24-11-104-2.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #edubuntu [] === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@pot44-1-88-172-65-1.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === n2diy [n=darryl@ppp-42d4290c.wlks.losch.net] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [08:07] hi cbx33 [08:07] hey pygi [08:07] how is it going? :) [08:08] hi cbx33 [08:08] LaserJock, ^_^ [08:08] yeh good thanks [08:08] hey LaserJock [08:11] howz it going people [08:11] pretty good, thanks :) [08:11] just hacking around with gstreamer [08:11] hehe =) [08:12] what new are you preparing this time? ;) [08:12] just working on vcs-frenzy [08:12] ah, why do you need gst then? o.O [08:12] on one computer I have it seems to hog all sound [08:12] audio notifications of repo changes ;) [08:13] ah :P [08:13] but when I just test it here [08:13] will one be able to turn it off? :P [08:13] it doesn't seem to have an issue [08:13] it's totally configurable [08:13] great ^ [08:13] it's of by default [08:13] ^_^ [08:13] smart move :p [08:13] you can choose a generic sound [08:13] or a repo specific one [08:13] up to you [08:14] got it === jbrefort [n=jean@pot44-1-88-172-65-1.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === t94xr [i=t94xr@60-234-134-174.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #edubuntu === ogra-classmate [n=teacher@p548af823.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === bdoin [n=coudoin@home.gcompris.net] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p57A96673.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === bluekuja [n=andy@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #edubuntu === whyle [n=walter@adsl-201-78.38-151.net24.it] has joined #edubuntu === whyle [n=walter@adsl-201-78.38-151.net24.it] has left #edubuntu [] === ogra-classmate [n=teacher@p548af823.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.41] has joined #edubuntu === `6og [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu === GrimReeper [n=mderking@5571fdbf.ftth.concepts.nl] has joined #EdUbuntu === ogra-classmate [n=teacher@p548AF823.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === tristan_ [n=tristan@cc1113023-a.emmen1.dr.home.nl] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === n2diy [n=darryl@ppp-42d428a8.wlks.losch.net] has joined #edubuntu === pauljw [n=paul@pool90.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.41] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt is now known as sc0tt_ === ogra-classmate [n=teacher@p548af823.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === fargiolas [n=pippo@host87-4-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #edubuntu [04:37] hi maybe i'm doing something wrong: i've installed edubuntu on a virtual machine (3 hours of installation) and now i was looking for scientific programs but there is no one of these mentioned on the web page === ogra-classmate [n=teacher@p548af823.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:39] do i have to install everything from repositories? [04:40] if yes i can do it even with standard ubuntu.. what's the difference with edubuntu? it's just a ltsp ready ubuntu? === tristan_ [n=tristan@cc1113023-a.emmen1.dr.home.nl] has joined #edubuntu [04:47] anybody in? === pauljw [n=paul@pool35.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:18] no answer? so is there no educative software on edubuntu cd? [05:19] the edu software is on the educational addon cd, if you use the two cd set you will have it [05:20] and its on the demo desktop of the livecd which due to technical restrictions of the livecd installer isnt able to install it [05:24] ogra-classmate: i've got the cd shipped by launchpad ship-it service [05:24] yeah, thst the server CD [05:25] i thought it tells you about the addon CD on the inside [05:25] why don't they shi p the live cd as demo-cd from shipt? [05:25] it says nothing about addon :( [05:25] and it took 3 hours to install on a virtual machine :( [05:26] because the major amount of our users wants to set up a classroom server in areas where you barely have power, not to talk about bandwith [05:26] the server stuff doesnt5 fit on the livecd [05:26] its way to small [05:27] question: how do I partition my HDD, since I'm used to make different directories with different mountoptions... [05:27] and it looks like edubuntu is storing a lot under /opt [05:27] neither can we ship a DVD because the majority of users doesnt even have a DVD reader (or writer for downloading) [05:28] ogra-classmate: i just wanted to show educational software to my mother (a primary school teacher).. do you suggest to download the live cd? [05:28] tristan_: about 400meg for the thin client system... if you dont want to try or use ltsp, pick a workstation install in the menu [05:28] i want to use ltsp [05:28] fargiolas: for just showing it, yes, thats what the livecd is for [05:28] but the thin client is using the environment under /opt/ltsp/i386? [05:28] right [05:29] thanks [05:29] so I have just to make mountpoints under it, like /opt/ltsp/i386/tmp like I always did with /tmp on my workstations? [05:29] fargiolas: we'll optimize all that fgor gutsy, its our first release with two cds [05:30] tristan_: no, dont touch whats under /opt/ltsp [05:30] hmmz [05:30] ogra-classmate: will the be shipped both by launchpad shipit? [05:30] if you change anything in there it will break the client boot [05:30] so I can't harden it's temp directory a bit with the mount options noexec,nosuid,nodev [05:31] and have to allow users to fill the root with there temporary crap? [05:31] fargiolas: we're still discussing that with our marketing team, shipping two cds is significantly more expensive [05:31] i understand [05:31] tristan_: you would have to hack up the ltsp scripts for that [05:31] why? [05:32] the filesystems a thin client uses are all in ram [05:32] if i create mountpoints it's just working as asual i thought [05:32] hmmz [05:32] and handled very special [05:32] so they don't touch the hdd? [05:33] there is nothing you could "harden" [05:33] dont really get it :P [05:34] the thinclients load the stuff under /opt/ltsp/i386 in their memory? [05:34] yes [05:35] well, what they do is the following: [05:35] boot the kernel, mount the initramfs, mount an nfsroot (radonly) from the server ... [05:36] then make temporary directories and files in ram for the rw stuff [05:36] then bind or move mount them over the redonly files [05:36] *readonly [05:37] like a livecd? [05:37] so the system has all files it needs in rw mode to boot, start X and ldm but nothing more .... [05:37] right [05:37] and where do the users store their files? [05:37] well, a livecd operates simpler by using unionfs [05:37] which doesnt work on nfs mounts [05:38] or can't they store their files? [05:38] users arent related with thin clients at all [05:38] ok [05:38] :) [05:38] ldm logs you in on the se5rvers desktop ... the thin client is only the underlying tech [05:39] imagine a thin client as an additional set of monitor, mouse,keyboard, speaker and usbhub [05:39] i did imagine it as a multiseat system [05:40] (you wuldnt try to "harden" the garphics card drivers of your desktop, would you ?) :) [05:40] hehe [05:40] no [05:41] multiseat is the above via a physical pci card, ltsp is the same over ethernet [05:41] (with pc hardware instead of teh pci card) [05:42] what does the installer means with primary network interface? [05:42] the uplink or my lan? [05:42] the default gw to the internet [05:42] ok [05:42] :) [05:43] i was wondering about that since the primary purpose of that system is to play a server for my lan ;p [05:44] yeah, we need to reword that part of the installer, youre not the first to complain [05:45] I did choose for the internet though, since I need that for the packagemanager [05:45] right [05:47] but do you think it's a good plan to use edubuntu for a internetcafe? [05:47] indeed it is [05:47] :) [05:48] unfortently I don't have Edubuntu stickers [05:48] :P [05:48] juliux sells them iirc [05:49] how expensive are they? [05:49] or how cheap [05:49] how much do they cost i mean [05:49] no idea [05:49] it's a shame their isn't a ubuntu store with flags and posters and stuff [05:49] tristan_, normaly we take 0.50 for one sticker [05:49] tristan_, without shipping [05:50] there is a cafepress store with ubuntu stuff [05:50] how do they looklike? [05:50] ogra-classmate: do you have a link? [05:50] nope [05:50] but i know there is one [05:50] tristan_, i am searching for the link [05:50] i found it already === ogra-classmate doesnt have any links on the classmate :) [05:51] my bookmarks are on another system [05:51] ogra-classmate, open synaptic install unison, and sync your systems;) [05:52] juliux: well, the classmate only has 1GIG for userdata [05:52] my evolution folder alone is 2 gig [05:52] tristan_, http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/spreadubuntu/DIY%20Material/Batch_2_Stickers/poweredbyedubuntu.svg [05:52] ogra, oh, but you can use nfs;) [05:52] plus 40-50 gig of package builds and development stuff pls several gig of iso builds [05:53] indeed, but i'M testing the classmate, that would be cheating [05:53] ;) [05:53] juliux: those edubuntu letters don't fit? [05:53] or did I screw something on my PC? [05:54] wait.. i try again [05:54] tristan_: I guess you don't have the font [05:54] i think so [05:54] sudo apt-get install ttf-ubuntu-title [05:54] I think that's the one they are using [05:54] yup [06:02] juliux: looks nice [06:02] how do I order those stickers? === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #edubuntu [06:16] tristan_, where are you from? [06:19] the netherlands [06:21] tristan_, perfect [06:22] tristan_, i will send some shirts to seveas the next weeks so i can send the sticker with the shirts together so shipping is cheaper [06:23] how can I pay for it? [06:24] tristan_, paypal or banktransfer [06:24] can you mail me your paypal details? [06:24] then I upgrade my paypal balance and send you the money [06:25] banktransfer takes more time since I have to call my bank for that [06:25] my bank is very oldfashioned [06:25] they are also closed after 23:00 online [06:26] lol [06:26] tristan_, it is ok for you if i send the stickert to seveas and he can send you the stickers then [06:27] tristan_, i think it s cheaper [06:27] it's ok [06:28] how much stickers you want? [06:28] how much do I have to pay for 5 stickers? [06:28] 2 [06:28] ok [06:28] I take 5 [06:28] do you have more promotional stuff? [06:29] not for edubuntu [06:29] only for ubuntu [06:29] like what? [06:30] http://ubuntu.juliux.de/shirt/polo.jpg these polo and t-shirts [06:30] and the rest of the sticker series;) [06:31] for the shirts also see http://forum.ubuntu-nl.org/topic/9501 [06:36] I have sended you the money with paypal [06:36] if you need more just ask [06:38] tristan_, i will say seveas that i send him some stickers for you [06:38] ok [06:39] tristan_, can you pls send me your address to jbloch@edubuntu.org [06:40] sure [06:44] done [06:55] thxs [07:03] yeah.. I screwed the installer :) [07:03] stupid partitioner was acting like a peace of crap [07:04] :P [07:04] somehow he didn't want to mount /dev/hdb1 at /home/tristan [07:04] like he always did [07:05] and after a few times trying nothing in the installationmenu was working [07:05] :) === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #edubuntu [07:05] I love it how easy things become complicated [07:06] and no it's not sarcasm [07:26] strange [07:26] the installer can't mount /dev/hdb1 at /home/tristan [07:26] but it always did [07:27] and I'm able to mount it by hand too [07:27] so I didn't screw that partition or something [07:59] hmmz [08:00] wtf [08:00] my fresh installed system gives an grub error 18 [08:00] strange things happening today === Sleepy_Coder [n=sucky_ke@69.225.6.59] has joined #edubuntu === assa [n=sdfsd@60-234-134-174.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #edubuntu === ace_ [n=ace@fupi.suares.an] has joined #edubuntu [09:03] hi ya [09:04] Lazy Sunday Afternoon !? [09:07] inxstall x11vnc on the client ? [09:11] cp /etc/apt/sources.list /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list [09:12] ping ogra [09:13] How can I add or react to the edubuntu community pages ? === mario__ [n=mario@83-131-2-35.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === mario__ is now known as pygi === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.41] has joined #edubuntu [09:52] yeah [09:52] my thin client is working [09:52] except a small kernel panic [09:52] :P [09:52] have to fix that [09:52] but since it doesn't have a specific task I can say it's working [09:52] :) === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #edubuntu === tristan2 [n=coevoet@cc1113023-a.emmen1.dr.home.nl] has joined #edubuntu [10:15] so [10:15] my thin client is working [10:15] still don't know where that kernelpanic came from === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [10:16] wtf [10:17] fuck the partitioner in the install [10:17] it said something about not using /dev/hdb1 so I espected it to don't touch it [10:17] and don't create mountpoints for it [10:17] well.. that last one he didn't do [10:18] but it dropped my partitiontable :( [10:18] but my thin client is working :) === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [10:25] brb. :p [10:26] ohw djzs [10:26] i needed coffee [10:26] wtf [10:26] made a fat typo with cfdisk [10:26] :P [10:26] partitiontable is still their [10:26] but I can't mount it [10:37] can anyone explain to me who denemo don't work, or how to get it working ? === `6og [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu [11:13] anyone can tell me how to get denemo working ? [11:13] what doesnt work? === n2diy [n=darryl@66.212.43.249] has joined #edubuntu [11:25] denemo had a lot of bugs last time i saw it [11:27] the sound dont work [11:27] at all [11:29] i think i filed about 4 bugs [11:29] cbx33: did you get it to make sound at least ? [11:29] no [11:30] I don't understand why these packages are included [11:35] i don't know why this one was [11:40] well after I installed timidity, it works [11:42] heheh [12:20] someone knows why I cant mount my partition as ext3, but I can mount it as ext2? [12:20] do I have to run fsck, or what? === blue-frog [n=bluefrog@dyn-83-153-152-179.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #edubuntu