/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/05/27/#kubuntu-devel.txt

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Hobbseemorning all02:44
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ryanakcahey Hobbsee03:05
Hobbsee:)03:05
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Lureryanakca: new kmilo works on gutsy09:15
Lureryanakca: did not play with customiation, but I am sure kwwii can do something nice with it ;-)09:17
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amachuhi, I would like to have list of all applications included in Kubuntu09:25
amachuany place, link URL ?09:25
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mhbLure: I wonder if we need to have it themable09:43
mhbLure: (kmilo)09:43
Luremhb: we just need good default09:46
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mhbLure: good news - http://www.notmart.org/index.php/BlaBla/Polyester_2:_the_mighty_future!09:52
Luremhb: great09:54
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Hobbseehey all10:15
fdovinghi hobbsee.10:16
fdovingHobbsee: did you experience problems with the umount dialog?10:16
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Hobbseefdoving: yeah10:18
Hobbseefdoving: never seems to unmount cleanly10:18
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HobbseeUnfortunately, the device system:/media/sdb1 (/dev/sdb1) named 'CRUZERDISK' and currently mounted at /media/CRUZERDISK could not be unmounted.10:18
HobbseeUnmounting failed due to the following error:10:18
HobbseeCannot remove directory10:18
HobbseeMoreover, programs still using the device have been detected. They are listed below. You have to close them or change their working directory before attempting to unmount the device again.10:18
HobbseeCannot stat /media/CRUZERDISK: No such file or directory10:18
HobbseeCannot stat /media/CRUZERDISK: No such file or directory10:18
HobbseeCannot stat /media/CRUZERDISK: No such file or directory10:19
Hobbseeis the error i get10:19
Hobbseeoften it shows processes as well10:19
fdovingthat's an HAL error. can you umount with pumount ?10:19
Hobbseehavent tried10:20
Hobbseesyntax?10:20
fdovingpumount /media/CRUZERDISK10:20
Hobbseefdoving: ah right.  yep10:20
Hobbseeno errors10:20
fdovingok, if you try again with the kde-way?10:20
Hobbseesame errors as before10:21
fdovinghum.. well, is that kde 3.5.7?10:21
Hobbseeand i get the unmount dialog box slowly going, too10:21
Hobbseeyep10:21
fdovingslowly?10:21
Hobbseewell, i've just discovred that it still exists - behind the error box10:22
fdovingdid you install kio-umountwrapper ?10:22
Hobbseesarah@LongPointyStick:~$ policy kio-umountwrapper10:23
HobbseeW: Unable to locate package kio-umountwrapper10:23
fdoving(not that it has anything to do with the error messages at all, but it will provide the umountwrapper)10:23
fdovinghttp://frode.kde.no/misc/kio_umountwrapper/10:23
Hobbseehttp://frode.kde.no/misc/kio_umountwrapper/kio-umountwrapper_0.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb presumably?10:24
fdovingyep.10:24
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Hobbseeseems faster to error out.  *shrug*10:25
Hobbseewhat's it do?10:25
Hobbseein particular?10:25
fdovingit's a wrapper around kio_media_mounthelper to make the new and fancier progressdialog.10:25
Hobbseeooh :)10:26
fdovingthe old one hacked into kdebase will disappear.. if it's still there.10:26
fdovingbut the errors are from hal, so something must be wrong somewhere.10:26
fdovingif you get the error, and do 'fuser -vm /media/CRUZERDISK' - does it say anything?10:26
Hobbseeafter getting the error, before hitting ok?10:27
Hobbseeooh, i see :)10:27
Hobbseefdoving: Cannot stat /media/CRUZERDISK: No such file or directory x310:28
fdovinghmm..10:30
Hobbseei'm assuming it's removing the directory first, and tehn saying "help, i cant unmount!"10:31
Hobbseepresumably it calls by the mount point, rather than by the /dev/$da#10:32
fdovingprobably something like that. but that must be something that changed in 3.5.7, i have not seen any commits to that section though.10:32
Hobbseethere's been talk about 3.5.7 breaking something with media again10:32
fdovingi'm not surprised if our mediapatches (which sucks bigtime) breaks something when applied to 3.5.7.10:33
Hobbseewe did say fix or remove them10:34
Hobbseebut i think _Sime_ was goign to fix them?10:34
fdovings/sucks bigtime/is a mess/10:34
Hobbseeor said he was?10:34
fdovingdon't know. i've been fixing a few small issues.10:35
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Hobbseefdoving: are you the author of that kio unmountwrapper?10:43
fdovingHobbsee: yes.10:45
Hobbseeany plans to get it into ubuntu?10:45
fdovingyes, tonio is handling that.10:46
Hobbseecool10:46
fdovingit'll appear on revu some time soon.10:47
fdovingkeep an eye on it, and give it a +1 :)10:47
fdovingit needs to be in main to be usefull.. so it'll need a few +1s10:48
\shand a nice main inclusion report ,-)10:48
fdovingyeah, i'll let others to that, i have it, if others want it get it :)10:49
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LureHobbsee: thanks for kdepim fix11:16
Lurewe just need somebody to give back kdegraphics now...11:16
Hobbseefor the libpoppler thing?11:20
HobbseeLure: ^11:20
LureHobbsee: yep11:20
=== Hobbsee should make her meeting wtih the tech board sometime soon, too.
LureHobbsee: when do you have it?11:20
Hobbseehavent made a time11:21
\shHobbsee, for main yay11:22
Hobbsee\sh: yes....11:23
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Hobbseehehe11:23
Hobbseepeople already have it11:23
Hobbseeer, have been11:23
=== \sh is sad, to not have more time anymore for attending all the meetings...job, family, relocation, etc. is giving me a hard time :(
=== Hobbsee wants to get main privs, but doesnt want to meet up with teh scary tech board
Hobbsee:(11:24
LureRiddell: I recall something was changed with dbus session bus11:24
LureRiddell: strigidaemon does not sturt anymore on gutsy11:24
LureRiddell: Connection Error (Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session)11:24
LureHobbsee: you will be fine - there are not that scary afterall11:26
Hobbseerubbish.11:27
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\shHobbsee, mdz and the others are cool...you showed already, that you are ready for main...11:28
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Hobbsee\sh: they're scary important people :P11:36
\shHobbsee, well, they're cool...and they are not so important like the community behind it, just because, without the community, such a project like ubuntu won't succeed...11:37
Hobbseetrue11:38
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Hobbsee\sh: of course, going for core dev doesnt help with that.11:39
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\shlow profiles are for fraidy-cats ;)11:41
Hobbsee\sh: no, low profiles are good when there's lots of talk of harassment.11:41
Hobbseebut yes, i'm a bit of a fraidy-cat for not liking being harassed :P11:42
Hobbseeyou would ahve thought i'd seen it all now, being a part of the tech world.11:42
\shHobbsee, how is doing that, (forget me ;))11:42
Hobbsee\sh: s/how/who/ ?11:43
\shyeah11:43
Hobbseethere's lots of stuff on planet, or was a week or so ago, and there's still lots on sounder11:43
Hobbsee+ a launchpad users thread11:43
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Hobbseemelissa wrote an open letter to the ubuntu community11:44
Hobbseeabout it all11:45
Hobbseethere have been various responses11:45
Hobbseeand work is worse, with one of the guys coming back to our department11:46
mhbI hope at least the developers have some sense, Hobbsee (regarding the open letter and all)11:59
Hobbseemhb: most of them do.  excluding quinn.11:59
mhbHobbsee: haven't heard of him/her12:01
Hobbseeberyl lead.12:02
fdovinglet's all get sex-neutral nick and names. or let's just pick numbers.12:03
\sh666 the number of the beast ;)12:05
fdovingthat's reserved :)12:05
Hobbseefdoving: heh.  why do you think i used Hobbsee exclusively while getting into all of this?12:06
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Hobbseefdoving: i only started using my real name a bit when i realised that i was likely to get sponsored to a UDS - so would need it to be known.12:07
fdovingHobbsee: i remember it :)12:07
Hobbseeas in, that i couldnt hide forever12:07
Hobbseethat being said - i introduced myself as hobbsee, or reintroduced myself as hobbsee, msot of the time - except to the distro team, etc, and the closer ubuntu people, who know who i was.12:08
fdovingit's a shame that sex should impact anything in any way.12:10
Hobbseethis is true12:11
Hobbseeto be fair, though - ubuntu is fairly minor compared to other tech groups.12:12
mhbwell, I'm happy that people are different12:12
Hobbseethey dont stop you from participating, just due to gender12:12
mhbfdoving: do you think it's bad when people like me are happy that there are females interested in Kubuntu community?12:14
Hobbseemhb: no12:14
fdovingmhb: not at all, i'm happy with everyone interessted in kubuntu community.12:14
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mhbfdoving: so I think it's not a shame when we support minorities like females, even though it kind of fits into your "sex-impacting" scenario12:16
fdovingmhb: i don't really care if they are women or men. they are persons to me.12:16
Hobbseefdoving: "names on a screen"12:16
mhbthe minute you write a sentence you stop being a name on a screen to me12:17
fdovingmhb: well, you're spot on here, i'm not for giving women advantages over men, just to have them around. no.12:17
fdovingwhat matters is knowledge/skills. the "criterias" should be the same for everyone.12:18
\shmhb, women are not a minority...that's a men's myth12:20
mhb\sh: in this channel?12:20
\shmhb, in general12:20
\shand in here I just see kubuntu devs, community members12:21
mhbyou see names, I see people - the difference12:21
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Hobbseebut then again, i'm bad at names12:22
Hobbseeespecially when people dont tell me who they are, nor wear nametags.  *grumble*12:22
\shmhb, no...some of those "names" I know in person....but even then, riddell is just a kubuntu dev...I don't care if riddell is male or female...12:23
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Hobbseehi toma12:23
\shthe same applies to everyone else12:23
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Hobbseehey kwwii!  how's the green going?12:24
tomahi all, hi Hobbsee12:24
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kwwiihowdy Hobbsee12:24
Hobbsee\sh: your words were added to my term,b tw.12:24
kwwiistill trying to find the right pink to match the green12:24
=== Hobbsee is the "purely evil, sexy, psycopathic bitch from au"
Hobbseekwwii: ahh.  show what you've got?12:24
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\shkwwii, moins, are you now at linuxtag?12:25
kwwii\sh: nope, couldn't make it after all12:25
kwwiiI found someone else to take my place12:25
\shkwwii, ok...who is it? :)12:25
kwwiisebas12:25
\shkwwii, oh this crazy dutch guy ... ;)12:26
kwwiilol, exactly :p12:26
\shthis will be a hard week for me...12:26
\shdrinking and more drinking...12:26
Hobbseehah.  poor you.12:26
kwwiiI'll be in italy in a few days and the week after that I'll be in california so my wife wouldn't let me go ;-)12:27
\shhope I won't start to dance with sebas again, like the last time during froscon12:27
Hobbseekwwii: just bring her12:27
kwwiiHobbsee: she refuses to go to any linux related events12:27
Hobbseeawww12:27
\shkwwii, which is quite good...someone has to stay focused on the real life ;)12:27
kwwiijust last night she told me "I am really proud of what you do, although I really don't understand what that is"12:28
\shkwwii, but when you are on a journey, you could give her this as a present...I just ordered one from UK for my GF (http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/335-Apple-is-not-amused,-but-you-should-be,-when-you-use-it.html)12:28
kwwiihehe, yeah I saw that one12:29
Hobbsee....12:29
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mhbprovocative12:29
\shHobbsee, I just had a phone call with her, she told me: "You fcking b*st*rd" with some noises which sounds like breaking the laptop12:31
Hobbseehah.12:31
Hobbseeperhaps she wasnt impressed, then.12:31
\shnobody understands a joke :(12:32
Hobbseei'm not sure if that classes as one of the "guy jokes"12:32
mhbI expect more people to misunderstand it12:32
Hobbseegrouped with the toilet jokes, etc.12:32
\shHobbsee, tbh, when I read this on golem.de I was laughing like hell, just because this idea has to come from the british people12:33
Hobbseewhich go down fine in small male groups, usually with alcohol, but not so great with the general population.12:33
Hobbseeheh.  true.  but still12:33
\shHobbsee, and it's finest black humor...12:33
mhbyou'll get more complaints because of the "gender-tense" mood around planet12:34
Hobbseethis is true.  but still.12:34
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=== Hobbsee isnt one of the "in boy's club" either - which jokes like that only encourage.
fdovingwhy? anyone can use one of those.12:36
fdovingi get your point, but you can't be that sensitive to things you read.12:37
\shI'm wondering, normally I would have several comments from niminy-piminiy US people, that I should be in Guantanamo or whereever...but today, nothing...I wonder why12:37
fdoving\sh: they have probably scrambeled some CIA assasin squad to go get you.12:37
\shHOPEFULLY12:38
\shI would be arrested anyways when I enter the US12:38
Hobbseefdoving: i'm not that sensitive.  i'm thinking of the otehr people in the ubuntu community who are12:39
fdovingHobbsee: well.. some magic with dansguardian could probably block *gasm* and *sex* from anything one reads. I mean, any news source on the internet writes things like that and similar every day.12:40
\shHobbsee, the problem is more, that they think they have to be sensitive, just because they aren't in their real life...I'll tell you, most of those people who commented on my entry the last time, they are in real life the biggest machos ever...believe me12:41
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Hobbseeof course, it's an interesting question whether we're only supposed to syndicate tech-type links to planet - or everything12:42
\shand most people have those toys already in their sleeping room , and bullying during their working time...12:42
\shanyways...I need a shower, and then I'll go out and have some fun with a couple of colleagues from work (both genders)12:43
\shbbl12:43
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fdovingsee you.12:44
fdovingHobbsee: i guess the goal must be to limit such things in the community, to make it possible for everyone to contribute without beeing hit in the face by things they try to avoid.12:47
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Hobbseefdoving: that sounds about right02:21
fdovingHobbsee: good thing we agree on that. back to the umount issue, did you manage to make it work? - i'm upgrading a virtual machine to gutsy. takes some time, since it's edgy, need to go all the way.02:22
Hobbseefdoving: no i didnt really loko into it02:23
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fdovingok.02:23
fdovingi'll upgrade and see what happens.02:23
fdovingi'd really like your feedback on the new safely remove progress dialog though.02:24
fdovingthe kio-umountwrapper one.02:24
Hobbseelooks nice :)02:24
Hobbseeshiny02:24
fdovingthanks, glad you like it. :)02:24
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mhbfdoving: a new look of the umountwrapper?02:49
fdovingmhb: yes. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946/comments/6502:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss]  umount progress dialog missing" [High,Fix released] 02:50
ryanakcaLure: so that kmilo works?03:01
Lureryanakca: yes, I have your package on gutsy03:02
Lureryanakca: did not play configuring it, but it looks nicer already as it is smaller03:02
ryanakcacool03:02
ryanakcaah03:02
ryanakcaall the bettor03:02
ryanakcas/bettor/better03:02
ryanakcashould I poke Hobbsee and/or Riddell to look at it for main, or wait till the meeting?03:03
Hobbseewhat's this now?03:03
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Hobbsee(yet)03:03
ryanakcaHobbsee: http://packages.ryanak.ca/pool/ryan-gutsy/kmilo/kmilo_3.5.7-1ubuntu2_i386.deb03:03
ryanakcabrb, dog03:04
marseillaiHobbsee: would you have time to take a look at this : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5286 ???03:05
mhband the gossip spreads03:05
Hobbseemhb: which gossip?03:05
fdovingryanakca: is that the little gray one?03:07
Hobbseemarseillai: what is it?03:07
marseillaia tv program grabber03:07
marseillaiit use xmltv03:07
Hobbseeoh, someone distributing the debian direcotry inside the source, presumably03:07
marseillaito show tv program03:07
marseillaiyes03:08
mhbHobbsee: the one with you having main privs :o)03:08
marseillaiand i've got a lintian error i don't understand03:08
Hobbseemhb: ahh.  i dont.  i still have to meet with the tech board.03:08
Hobbseeand they scare me :P03:08
ryanakcalol03:08
ryanakcaHobbsee: it's a patched kmilo that is more compact and that can be skinned03:09
Hobbseeneat :)03:09
ryanakcaHobbsee: Jucato put it on the agenda, http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KMilo+-+Customizable+DefaultSkin?content=5628703:10
ryanakcafdoving: I believe it is03:10
Hobbseecool :)03:11
Hobbseei heard rumours, but didnt follow it up03:11
fdovingryanakca: i prefer this one: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=56287&file1=56287-1.png&file2=56287-2.jpg&file3=56287-3.png&name=KMilo+-+Customizable+DefaultSkin03:11
Lureryanakca: prepare debdiff for review and send it to kubuntu core-dev (Riddell, Tonio_, imbrandon, \sh and soon Hobsee)03:11
ryanakcafdoving: I believe that they are all the same, just themed differently03:12
LureHobbsee even ;-)03:12
fdovingryanakca: yep, can be changed in kmilodrc03:12
HobbseeLure: heh03:12
mhbwe don't have to have it themable, just improved03:12
ryanakcaLure: okies. debdiff = `debdiff foor-1.diff.gz foo-2.diff.gz > debdiff-foo-1-foo-2`               ?03:13
mhbso I think we could wait with diffs&packaging on after the meeting03:13
Lureryanakca: debdiff old.dsc new.dsc03:14
ryanakcaah03:14
Lureryanakca: then review that it only contains what you think it should ;-)03:14
ryanakcamhb: so I'll add a link to the debdiff and package in the meeting agenda?03:14
mhbryanakca: well I expected some changes on that patch before we include it03:15
mhbryanakca: such as kwwii reviewing the look03:15
ryanakcamhb: the look is set in kmilodrc in k-d-s03:16
ryanakcabut, okies03:16
mhbryanakca: the current one?03:16
mhbryanakca: or the future one?03:16
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mhbryanakca: well, it seems you want to get in the "themable" patch03:17
ryanakcathe one I packaged.03:17
ryanakcalol03:17
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mhbryanakca: isn't there a "hardcoded new theme" patch and a "customizable" patch?03:18
ryanakcawell, it's not /that/ big of a thing. It took me a whole 10 minutes to set up :)03:18
mhbryanakca: I think it's better to have a "hardcoded theme" rather than "totally customizable theme"03:19
fdovingwhy?03:19
mhbfdoving: performance?03:19
fdovingcustomizable through kmilodrc doesn't make it that slow.03:19
ryanakcamhb: yes, the customizable patch is a dependency of the two other patches. http://downloads.guillermoamaral.com/linux/kde/kmilo/howto03:19
fdovingwe're not on 80806 here anymore.03:20
fdoving-003:20
mhbfdoving: well03:20
mhbfdoving: maybe you aren't :o) but fun aside, I don't see a reason why this particular thing should be themable03:20
mhbfdoving: it adapts to the widget style03:20
fdovingthen just don't set anything in the kmilodrc, it'll stick to the defaults.03:21
mhbfdoving: you may be right, of course. But I'd like to see that decision made at the meeting.03:21
ryanakcakmilodrc is a grand total of 5 lines. It isn't a great big config file like apache... and wouldn't it get stored in the swap/ram once it's run, instead of checking all the time03:21
ryanakcayeah03:21
ryanakcaI agree on that point03:22
fdovingi consider that as wasted meeting-time.03:22
fdovingbut that's me.03:22
ryanakcamhb: but, even if it doesn't get themed, at least it's more compact and cleaner looking03:22
mhbryanakca: sure, I agree with having one of the patches in03:23
mhbryanakca: I like the "clean" style you posted a link to03:23
ryanakcaLure: ummm. Is there a reason why the debdiff only contains my changelog entry?03:24
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mhbfdoving: you don't have to be there :o)03:24
Hobbseehow's 30 may, 1300 UTC?03:25
Hobbseefor a kubuntu meeting?03:25
ryanakcaHobbsee: this is when that groupware server would come in handy :)03:25
Lureryanakca: how did you apply the change? as patch?03:25
ryanakcaHobbsee: I'm not there, but, ohwell03:25
Hobbseeryanakca: no idea how long it will last, or go itno school early03:26
fdovingHobbsee: anything before 1600 utc is impossible for me. but i'm not important :)03:26
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Hobbseefdoving: ahhh.03:26
ryanakcaLure: yes, I ran cdbs-edit-patch, wgetted the two patches, checked them, applied them, deleted the downloaded patch files and exited the patch system/editor03:26
ryanakcaHobbsee: go into school early? hmmm. Kinda right smack in the middle of Science :/03:27
Hobbseeactually, 30 may, 2100 UTC should work better03:27
Hobbseei should actually wake up by that oint03:27
Lureryanakca: are you sure that you are debdiffing old version (original from repo)?03:27
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fdovingHobbsee: perfect for me.03:27
Hobbseealthough i will have been at work the previous night...03:27
Lureryanakca: it sound like you have first build old one without change log, then added changelog03:27
Hobbseeoh, a whole lot of assignments shoudl be due by then, so...03:28
marseillaiwhat should the name of an app wich is in beta version. i've set KGmailNotifier_0.3.0.b2.orig.tar.gz am i right ?03:28
LureHobbsee: CET evening is better for me03:28
HobbseeLure: i dont do CET.03:28
HobbseeLure: convert or die.  :P03:28
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LureHobbsee: UTC+203:28
ryanakcaLure: aha! yes, now i remember, I had forgotten to add a changelog entry before running debuild03:29
HobbseeLure: right, so the time set is better for you.03:29
Lureryanakca: remove old .dsc/gz and apt-get source again03:29
LureHobbsee: yep, during the day I have to work ;-) and late in the evening kids are sleeping ;-)03:29
Hobbsee:)03:29
marseillai:(03:34
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marseillaidh_make don't find the source package03:34
ryanakcaHobbsee: good meeting time... ish. I'll only be there for half an hour, 45-min, but, oh well03:35
Hobbseeright, OK03:35
Hobbseehopefully it'll only be on for that long, anwyay03:35
ryanakcaAnybody can bring up my meeting points if I'm not there03:35
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apacheloggerlol, can't apply for membership since I'll be promoting Kubuntu and Amarok in Berlin at the time of meeting04:24
apacheloggertotally paradoxical04:24
Hobbseeheh04:25
Hobbseeapachelogger: that particular time, too?  or just that day?04:25
apacheloggerHobbsee: well, I don't think I'll get a internet connection in berlin @ 21 UTC04:26
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apacheloggerconsidering that's 23 o'clock locale time I think04:27
tomaHobbsee, Riddell: will we discuss the kubuntu council members?04:27
Hobbseeapachelogger: ahhh04:27
Hobbseetoma: that would be the plan.  allee's not here, but he agreed to it at UDS04:27
imbrandonmoins all04:47
Hobbseehi imbrandon04:50
imbrandonHobbsee, :)04:51
Riddelltoma: yes04:59
Riddellah, we have a meeting, groovy04:59
Hobbseeevening Riddell04:59
HobbseeRiddell: yeah, i've finally gotten around to actually doing something05:00
fdovingRiddell: updated kio-apt for gutsy - http://frode.kde.no/misc/kio-apt-gutsy/05:05
marseillaiRiddell: did you had time to look at kdenetwork with kopete-emoticons-manager?05:20
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Riddellmarseillai: not yet I'm afraid05:22
marseillaino problem05:23
marseillaijust that i'm a bit impatient to know if i can think that now i'm "real" kubuntu contributor with my first main contribution. :)05:23
Riddelltop of my todo now05:24
Riddellbut might be tuesday before I get to it05:24
marseillaioki05:25
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fdovingcontributions to universe are real :)05:25
marseillaifdoving: yes of course05:25
marseillaiand everyone here if you have some little work for me i take it...05:26
Riddellmarseillai: merge any kde package http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html   http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html05:28
marseillaiRiddell: what do you mean by "merge" ?05:28
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Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Merging05:29
marseillaithanks05:29
Riddellk3b if you want to do something big and complex05:29
Riddellbut maybe pick a small universe package to start05:29
marseillaiyes05:29
marseillaii'll start little to learn what to do :)05:30
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Hobbseebye Riddell!05:35
nixternalHobbsee: bad news05:36
Hobbseenixternal: hm?05:36
nixternalat 2100 on the 30th, Xubuntu will be using #ubuntu-meeting05:36
nixternalif you need the 30th, you can do 18:00-20:00 or 22:00-0:0005:36
Hobbseebloody timezones.05:37
nixternalhehe05:37
Hobbseei'd thought i subtracted the day correctly05:37
Hobbseemmm...dammit.05:37
nixternalhehe, you want to bump it a day or 2 and keep the same time?05:38
Hobbseeum....yeah.05:38
Hobbseebump it to the 31st?05:38
nixternalsure05:38
Hobbseethanks05:38
=== ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Hobbsee] : Adios Espania! | Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | Kubuntu Meeting on 31 May, 2100 UTC - see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
fdovingstill 2100 UTC.. good.05:40
Hobbseeyeah05:40
imbrandonkdeaddons can be sync'd05:40
nixternaldone05:40
Hobbseethanks05:41
imbrandonHobbsee, wanna file it in LP ? ( they adopted our changes but did so in a diffrent order in the file, thus the merge report )05:41
imbrandonkdeaddons 4:3.5.7-205:43
Hobbseeimbrandon: not overly, can you do it?05:43
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imbrandonsure05:43
Hobbseethanks'''05:45
Hobbseebesides, if i did it, depending on who was doing the archive run, they may want a sponsor :P05:45
imbrandonahh you havent got your wings officialy yet ?05:45
Hobbseenope05:45
HobbseeTB want to meet up with me05:45
imbrandonahh cool05:46
Hobbseenot cool.05:46
Hobbseethey probably want to grill me.05:46
imbrandonyes yes, we all got the grilling ;)05:46
imbrandonyou'll do fine05:46
nixternalyou know what...Google can go to hell05:48
imbrandonanyone else notice today dell put a big ubuntu banner on the main page, not just www.dell.com/ubuntu05:49
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nixternalit isn't a Kubuntu logo, so I don't Kare ;)05:51
nixternalhaha05:51
fdovingnixternal: it's a great calculator: http://www.google.com/search?q=2%2B2&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 :)05:51
jjessetafternoon05:51
nixternalfdoving: Katapult is a great calculator :)05:51
jjesseok so its still morning :)05:51
fdovingnixternal: that's not a cluster of thousands of linux machines :)05:52
nixternalHobbsee, LaserJock, Brandon, and others have been marked spammers by Google05:52
ryanakca@.@05:52
Hobbseenixternal: oh?05:52
fdovingnixternal: probably true.05:52
nixternalmornin' jjesse05:52
nixternalHobbsee: ya, I am going through the spam thing and there are a ton of mailing list and bug emails that are marked spam by google05:52
Hobbseefun.05:52
Hobbseei wonder how that happened05:52
Hobbseegmail's filtering sucks, though.  it's gotten worse05:53
nixternalthen I can use my ubuntu.com email to send email to my wife as ubuntu.com is black listed05:53
nixternalI need to get off of gmail05:53
fdovingmy sister insists on using hotmail, mail from me is always tagged as spam, whatever i do. hotmail rocks too.05:53
nixternalI could go with comcast or my dreamhost setup05:53
Hobbseeheh05:53
tomacomplaining about free (as in beer) things ?05:54
marseillaiHobbsee: for merging i must choose an apps form Outstanding Merges or from Updated Merges! i'm not sur but i think it's from Outstanding Merges because Updated Merges are allready done. i'm right ?05:54
Hobbseemarseillai: they have been done, butthen debian has updated afterwards05:54
Hobbseeso do either05:54
marseillaioki05:54
nixternalanyone know what I would have to do in order to get the admins to switch my forward email address to?05:54
nixternalya, I have no idea what I just said05:54
fdovingnixternal: change your preferred email in launchpad?05:54
nixternalmy preferred email is @ubuntu.com05:55
nixternalI can email an admin and find out05:55
fdovingnixternal: oh, then you'll probably have to talk to one of them..05:55
nixternalya..hrmm, if I go with my dreamhost account I can use IMAP05:55
Hobbseenixternal: that breaks things.05:56
Hobbseenixternal: just put in your new preferred address, and it eventually updates05:56
nixternalahh05:56
nixternalI will give it a try05:56
jjessewon't it update your @ubuntu.com address then to the new preferred address?05:56
Hobbseeer....that's the poitn?05:57
fdovingnixternal: there is also kdemail.net for kde people like you.05:57
nixternalorly05:57
ryanakcaI don't think changing the preferred address in lp updates your @ubuntu.com or @kubuntu.org one... (Ubuntu membership page said to expect having to wait a couple weeks for you email alias to be set up, since it had to be done manually)05:59
nixternalheh, it is difficult trying to pick out the non-spam stuck in between cialis and "wanna f&$#( all night long" emails06:00
nixternaland Jordan Mantha is on every page ;)06:00
imbrandonits not done automaticly /yet/ , they have it planed in a new LP rollout06:00
ryanakcaah06:00
jjessenixternal: you get a lot of spam in your gmail account?06:00
nixternala decent amount06:01
nixternalbut looking so far, a 1,000+ this week06:01
nixternalman, I thought aseigo was ignoring me, all of his responses are in spam..he probably thinks now I was ignoring him06:02
nixternalheh06:02
ryanakcawell, some idiot decided to send a pile of launchpad bug report look alike emails... with [Bug 23423]  Re: Bug report , following the launchpad email format, except in the end, they threw in a bunch of adds06:02
ubotuLaunchpad bug 23423 in gnome-terminal "gnome-terminal crashes if you start too many too quickly" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2342306:02
ryanakcathey got threw my spam filtering...06:03
nixternaldamn, spammers got smart... [Bug 110111]  Ubuntu needs Cialis06:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 110111 in sane-backends "snapscan e25 doesn"t work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11011106:04
fdovingi use MailScanner with spamassassin and everything, it's quite good.06:04
nixternalI hardly get spam to my inbox as Google does catch over 90% of it06:04
nixternalbut Google has been blocking Ubuntu and KDE stuff06:05
fdovingbad google.06:07
fdovingbbl, dinner.06:07
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nixternalhaha, I interviewed for this job in Mexico, they do Internet Marketing, big place, and now I am getting a ton of "Hola Nixternal!" emails06:07
nixternalhehe06:07
nixternalI think the place I interviewed sold my info06:08
Hobbseeugh L(06:08
marseillaiwhat means this : "grep ^diff debian.debdiff" ? what are we looking for ?06:09
Hobbseediff on a new line, in debian.debdiff06:10
Hobbseeie, diff -urN..... that they give06:10
marseillaioki06:10
marseillaithanks06:10
marseillaiin this tuto https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Merging this is not an error : xcdroast (0.98+0alpha15-3'''ubuntu1''') dapper; urgency=low ??? the ''' should not be there isn't it ???06:17
apacheloggerhm06:19
apacheloggerhow gets config.guess.cdbs-orig created?06:19
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ryanakcaHobbsee: what do you use now?06:21
Hobbseeryanakca: for?...06:22
ryanakcaemail, since you switched away from google06:22
Hobbseeoh06:23
Hobbseefastmail.fm06:23
Hobbseeit's imap based, which is a great help06:23
fdovingapachelogger: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/buildcore.mk line 11906:23
apacheloggerfdoving: thx06:25
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toma\sh_away: thanks for pointing me at otp. Works nicely.06:44
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marseillaiHobbsee: i've make debdiff kftpgrabber_0.8.0~beta2-1.dsc kftpgrabber_0.8.0-0ubuntu1.dsc > ubuntu.debdiff to merge kftpgrabber but the debdiff does 103000 lines! is it normal? or i've done something wrong ?06:49
Hobbseemarseillai: check what's in it06:50
Hobbseeit may be translations06:50
marseillaioki06:50
marseillaikwrite doesn't like it06:50
marseillai:)06:50
marseillaiit lag06:50
marseillaiHobbsee: i really don't understand it looks like it's not the same source files ....06:52
Hobbseethe debdiff will include everything - not just the debian directory06:53
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marseillaiHobbsee: but if kftpgrabber_0.8.0-0ubuntu1.dsc is based on kftpgrabber_0.8.0~beta2-1.dsc there should not be any change in source directory ?06:54
Hobbseeis 0.8.0 actually released?06:54
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tomanite06:54
Hobbseenight!06:54
fdovingnite.06:55
marseillaiarf07:01
marseillaifdoving: i was looking to merge kftpgrabber07:01
marseillaibut it seems it is not based on any debian version07:01
marseillaiso what should i do ?07:02
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fdovingget the debian version and upgrade it if needed.07:03
marseillaioki07:09
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marseillaifdoving: there is nothing in kftpgrabber from kubuntu wich is not in debian's one07:16
marseillaiso what i've to do ?07:16
fdovingmarseillai: request a sync from debian.07:16
marseillaion LP ?07:16
Riddellmarseillai: file a bug on the package asking for a sync and saying why it's ok to overwrite any changes in ubuntu07:17
Riddellthen get it confirmed by a core-dev or motu as appropriate and subscribe ubuntu-archive07:18
marseillaioki07:18
marseillaisuscribe ubuntu-archive ?07:18
Riddellalso say what version you want imported from debian and what debian repository (unstable usually)07:18
Riddellyes07:25
Riddell"Subscribe someone else" -> ubuntu-archive07:25
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Riddellsubscribe someone else after reporting it07:36
nixternalLinux car just crashed at the Indy 50007:46
nixternallike anyone really cares :)07:46
tomanixternal: panos = linux ?07:46
nixternal#77, which is a Panos I believe07:47
nixternalPanos or Panoz?07:47
tomai dont know, i just write what the commentators say ;-)07:47
nixternalhehe07:47
tomabut what's the linux part?07:47
giangyonly a tux logo07:48
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tomaah07:48
nixternala couple of them...I was surprised to see like 4 of them on the car07:48
tomai missed that07:49
tomai'll settle for the pace car btw07:49
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nixternalhehe08:05
nixternalmmm coffee08:05
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ryanakcaI changed my GPG passphrase, and I wrote it down on a cue card about an hour ago, but I can't seem to use my key!08:18
ryanakcahmmmm08:18
ryanakcawell, I found a typo in kgpg...08:21
Luremarseillai: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess08:23
marseillaiLure: it's not well done ?08:24
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Luremarseillai: I was off irc for 40 minutes, so I am still reffering to your old post08:25
marseillaiLure: oki! but now i've post this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kftpgrabber/+bug/117230 and will wait for tonio to check this08:26
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117230 in kftpgrabber "[sync]  sync kftpgrabber from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 08:26
ryanakcawait! weee! I have a backup of my .gnupg!08:26
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mhbyay, polyester is going to be developed on Launchpad09:43
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jjesseevening11:06
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DaSkreechhi jjesse11:08
DaSkreechhow goes?11:08
jjessehello DaSkreech11:08
jjessegoing well i guess11:08
DaSkreechgreat :)11:08
jjesseDaSkreech: quick question, if i connect a usb drive formated in ntfs i'm prompted to open it in a new window, if i do so nothing happens...11:08
fdovingyeah, that sucks.11:09
fdovingpmount lacks support for ntfs-3g, so it won't work with that driver.11:09
fdovingwith the good old read only ntfs drvier it should work though.11:09
fdoving.. given there is no fstab entry for the device.11:10
jjesseso how would i go about mounting the drive so i could reformat it?11:10
fdovingmount the drive to copy stuff from it, before formatting?11:10
jjessedo i have to mount the drive to format it?11:10
jjesseits a brand new usb drive11:10
fdovingno, you should not mount before formatting.11:10
jjesseok11:11
jjessei know this sisn't #kubuntu so thanks for the help11:11
fdovingyou format first, then you mount the result from the formatting.11:11
jjesseoh ok11:11
fdovinggparted is nice for formatting and things.11:11
fdovingqtparted exists too, but i always recommend gparted as it's more mature.11:12
jjessethere is very liltte that is more boring then rain delayed racing11:12
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fdovinghah.. yeah,  like waiting for the girls to finish shopping at the shopping centres..11:15
jjessegrin exactly11:15
jjesseindy 500 on red flag11:15
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fdovingi have no idea what you are talking about. is it sports?11:16
fdovingindy 500, is that the tuxcar race?11:16
jjesseyeah the tux car is in it11:16
jjessedon't remember where it is currently placed at11:17
DaSkreechjjesse: you can format as long as you have a /dev device file11:19
jjesseDaSkreech: thanks11:19
jjessefdoving: all set w/ gparted11:19
fdovingdid you manage to format it nicely?11:21
DaSkreechIs Qtparted maintained?11:22
fdovingno idea.11:22
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fdovinglooks like not.11:32
fdovingqtparted.sf.net11:32
marseillai_since times now11:32
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DaSkreechSooo should we have it in Kubuntu?11:34
DaSkreechor should we push to get a maintainer?11:34
marseillai_if you know an alternative to qtparted ....11:34
marseillai_i think mandriva have their own patch to it11:34
marseillai_does kubuntu installer still use qtparted ?11:35
DaSkreechI'm not sure actually11:43
DaSkreechCould just be a simple front end to parted11:46
DaSkreechThough qtparted is on the live Cd IIRC11:47
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marseillai_DaSkreech: i think it use qtparted and it may be the reason i still use alternate cd11:59
DaSkreechmarseillai_: Well I hardly do any custom partitioning and when I do I don't use the installer to do it12:03
DaSkreech having said that I12:03
DaSkreech've never had a problem with the installer12:03
marseillai_apacheLAGger: i've just read your blog! and perhaps you should look here : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=530412:07
marseillai_i'm allready working on maxemumtvguide12:07
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DaSkreechhi imbrandon12:16
imbrandonello DaSkreech12:19
DaSkreechhaven't seen you in a bit I think...12:19
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imbrandoni'm arround , i just reconnected12:20

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