[12:27] <_StefanS_> night
[02:44] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:05] <ryanakca> hey Hobbsee
[03:05] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:15] <Lure> ryanakca: new kmilo works on gutsy
[09:17] <Lure> ryanakca: did not play with customiation, but I am sure kwwii can do something nice with it ;-)
[09:25] <amachu> hi, I would like to have list of all applications included in Kubuntu
[09:25] <amachu> any place, link URL ?
[09:43] <mhb> Lure: I wonder if we need to have it themable
[09:43] <mhb> Lure: (kmilo)
[09:46] <Lure> mhb: we just need good default
[09:52] <mhb> Lure: good news - http://www.notmart.org/index.php/BlaBla/Polyester_2:_the_mighty_future!
[09:54] <Lure> mhb: great
[10:15] <Hobbsee> hey all
[10:16] <fdoving> hi hobbsee.
[10:16] <fdoving> Hobbsee: did you experience problems with the umount dialog?
[10:18] <Hobbsee> fdoving: yeah
[10:18] <Hobbsee> fdoving: never seems to unmount cleanly
[10:18] <Hobbsee> Unfortunately, the device system:/media/sdb1 (/dev/sdb1) named 'CRUZERDISK' and currently mounted at /media/CRUZERDISK could not be unmounted.
[10:18] <Hobbsee> Unmounting failed due to the following error:
[10:18] <Hobbsee> Cannot remove directory
[10:18] <Hobbsee> Moreover, programs still using the device have been detected. They are listed below. You have to close them or change their working directory before attempting to unmount the device again.
[10:18] <Hobbsee> Cannot stat /media/CRUZERDISK: No such file or directory
[10:18] <Hobbsee> Cannot stat /media/CRUZERDISK: No such file or directory
[10:19] <Hobbsee> Cannot stat /media/CRUZERDISK: No such file or directory
[10:19] <Hobbsee> is the error i get
[10:19] <Hobbsee> often it shows processes as well
[10:19] <fdoving> that's an HAL error. can you umount with pumount ?
[10:20] <Hobbsee> havent tried
[10:20] <Hobbsee> syntax?
[10:20] <fdoving> pumount /media/CRUZERDISK
[10:20] <Hobbsee> fdoving: ah right.  yep
[10:20] <Hobbsee> no errors
[10:20] <fdoving> ok, if you try again with the kde-way?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> same errors as before
[10:21] <fdoving> hum.. well, is that kde 3.5.7?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> and i get the unmount dialog box slowly going, too
[10:21] <Hobbsee> yep
[10:21] <fdoving> slowly?
[10:22] <Hobbsee> well, i've just discovred that it still exists - behind the error box
[10:22] <fdoving> did you install kio-umountwrapper ?
[10:23] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ policy kio-umountwrapper
[10:23] <Hobbsee> W: Unable to locate package kio-umountwrapper
[10:23] <fdoving> (not that it has anything to do with the error messages at all, but it will provide the umountwrapper)
[10:23] <fdoving> http://frode.kde.no/misc/kio_umountwrapper/
[10:24] <Hobbsee> http://frode.kde.no/misc/kio_umountwrapper/kio-umountwrapper_0.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb presumably?
[10:24] <fdoving> yep.
[10:25] <Hobbsee> seems faster to error out.  *shrug*
[10:25] <Hobbsee> what's it do?
[10:25] <Hobbsee> in particular?
[10:25] <fdoving> it's a wrapper around kio_media_mounthelper to make the new and fancier progressdialog.
[10:26] <Hobbsee> ooh :)
[10:26] <fdoving> the old one hacked into kdebase will disappear.. if it's still there.
[10:26] <fdoving> but the errors are from hal, so something must be wrong somewhere.
[10:26] <fdoving> if you get the error, and do 'fuser -vm /media/CRUZERDISK' - does it say anything?
[10:27] <Hobbsee> after getting the error, before hitting ok?
[10:27] <Hobbsee> ooh, i see :)
[10:28] <Hobbsee> fdoving: Cannot stat /media/CRUZERDISK: No such file or directory x3
[10:30] <fdoving> hmm..
[10:31] <Hobbsee> i'm assuming it's removing the directory first, and tehn saying "help, i cant unmount!"
[10:32] <Hobbsee> presumably it calls by the mount point, rather than by the /dev/$da#
[10:32] <fdoving> probably something like that. but that must be something that changed in 3.5.7, i have not seen any commits to that section though.
[10:32] <Hobbsee> there's been talk about 3.5.7 breaking something with media again
[10:33] <fdoving> i'm not surprised if our mediapatches (which sucks bigtime) breaks something when applied to 3.5.7.
[10:34] <Hobbsee> we did say fix or remove them
[10:34] <Hobbsee> but i think _Sime_ was goign to fix them?
[10:34] <fdoving> s/sucks bigtime/is a mess/
[10:34] <Hobbsee> or said he was?
[10:35] <fdoving> don't know. i've been fixing a few small issues.
[10:43] <Hobbsee> fdoving: are you the author of that kio unmountwrapper?
[10:45] <fdoving> Hobbsee: yes.
[10:45] <Hobbsee> any plans to get it into ubuntu?
[10:46] <fdoving> yes, tonio is handling that.
[10:46] <Hobbsee> cool
[10:47] <fdoving> it'll appear on revu some time soon.
[10:47] <fdoving> keep an eye on it, and give it a +1 :)
[10:48] <fdoving> it needs to be in main to be usefull.. so it'll need a few +1s
[10:48] <\sh> and a nice main inclusion report ,-)
[10:49] <fdoving> yeah, i'll let others to that, i have it, if others want it get it :)
[11:16] <Lure> Hobbsee: thanks for kdepim fix
[11:16] <Lure> we just need somebody to give back kdegraphics now...
[11:20] <Hobbsee> for the libpoppler thing?
[11:20] <Hobbsee> Lure: ^
[11:20] <Lure> Hobbsee: yep
[11:20] <Lure> Hobbsee: when do you have it?
[11:21] <Hobbsee> havent made a time
[11:22] <\sh> Hobbsee, for main yay
[11:23] <Hobbsee> \sh: yes....
[11:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:23] <Hobbsee> people already have it
[11:23] <Hobbsee> er, have been
[11:24] <Hobbsee> :(
[11:24] <Lure> Riddell: I recall something was changed with dbus session bus
[11:24] <Lure> Riddell: strigidaemon does not sturt anymore on gutsy
[11:24] <Lure> Riddell: Connection Error (Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session)
[11:26] <Lure> Hobbsee: you will be fine - there are not that scary afterall
[11:27] <Hobbsee> rubbish.
[11:28] <\sh> Hobbsee, mdz and the others are cool...you showed already, that you are ready for main...
[11:36] <Hobbsee> \sh: they're scary important people :P
[11:37] <\sh> Hobbsee, well, they're cool...and they are not so important like the community behind it, just because, without the community, such a project like ubuntu won't succeed...
[11:38] <Hobbsee> true
[11:39] <Hobbsee> \sh: of course, going for core dev doesnt help with that.
[11:41] <\sh> low profiles are for fraidy-cats ;)
[11:41] <Hobbsee> \sh: no, low profiles are good when there's lots of talk of harassment.
[11:42] <Hobbsee> but yes, i'm a bit of a fraidy-cat for not liking being harassed :P
[11:42] <Hobbsee> you would ahve thought i'd seen it all now, being a part of the tech world.
[11:42] <\sh> Hobbsee, how is doing that, (forget me ;))
[11:43] <Hobbsee> \sh: s/how/who/ ?
[11:43] <\sh> yeah
[11:43] <Hobbsee> there's lots of stuff on planet, or was a week or so ago, and there's still lots on sounder
[11:43] <Hobbsee> + a launchpad users thread
[11:44] <Hobbsee> melissa wrote an open letter to the ubuntu community
[11:45] <Hobbsee> about it all
[11:45] <Hobbsee> there have been various responses
[11:46] <Hobbsee> and work is worse, with one of the guys coming back to our department
[11:59] <mhb> I hope at least the developers have some sense, Hobbsee (regarding the open letter and all)
[11:59] <Hobbsee> mhb: most of them do.  excluding quinn.
[12:01] <mhb> Hobbsee: haven't heard of him/her
[12:02] <Hobbsee> beryl lead.
[12:03] <fdoving> let's all get sex-neutral nick and names. or let's just pick numbers.
[12:05] <\sh> 666 the number of the beast ;)
[12:05] <fdoving> that's reserved :)
[12:06] <Hobbsee> fdoving: heh.  why do you think i used Hobbsee exclusively while getting into all of this?
[12:07] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i only started using my real name a bit when i realised that i was likely to get sponsored to a UDS - so would need it to be known.
[12:07] <fdoving> Hobbsee: i remember it :)
[12:07] <Hobbsee> as in, that i couldnt hide forever
[12:08] <Hobbsee> that being said - i introduced myself as hobbsee, or reintroduced myself as hobbsee, msot of the time - except to the distro team, etc, and the closer ubuntu people, who know who i was.
[12:10] <fdoving> it's a shame that sex should impact anything in any way.
[12:11] <Hobbsee> this is true
[12:12] <Hobbsee> to be fair, though - ubuntu is fairly minor compared to other tech groups.
[12:12] <mhb> well, I'm happy that people are different
[12:12] <Hobbsee> they dont stop you from participating, just due to gender
[12:14] <mhb> fdoving: do you think it's bad when people like me are happy that there are females interested in Kubuntu community?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> mhb: no
[12:14] <fdoving> mhb: not at all, i'm happy with everyone interessted in kubuntu community.
[12:16] <mhb> fdoving: so I think it's not a shame when we support minorities like females, even though it kind of fits into your "sex-impacting" scenario
[12:16] <fdoving> mhb: i don't really care if they are women or men. they are persons to me.
[12:16] <Hobbsee> fdoving: "names on a screen"
[12:17] <mhb> the minute you write a sentence you stop being a name on a screen to me
[12:17] <fdoving> mhb: well, you're spot on here, i'm not for giving women advantages over men, just to have them around. no.
[12:18] <fdoving> what matters is knowledge/skills. the "criterias" should be the same for everyone.
[12:20] <\sh> mhb, women are not a minority...that's a men's myth
[12:20] <mhb> \sh: in this channel?
[12:20] <\sh> mhb, in general
[12:21] <\sh> and in here I just see kubuntu devs, community members
[12:21] <mhb> you see names, I see people - the difference
[12:22] <Hobbsee> but then again, i'm bad at names
[12:22] <Hobbsee> especially when people dont tell me who they are, nor wear nametags.  *grumble*
[12:23] <\sh> mhb, no...some of those "names" I know in person....but even then, riddell is just a kubuntu dev...I don't care if riddell is male or female...
[12:23] <Hobbsee> hi toma
[12:23] <\sh> the same applies to everyone else
[12:24] <Hobbsee> hey kwwii!  how's the green going?
[12:24] <toma> hi all, hi Hobbsee
[12:24] <kwwii> howdy Hobbsee
[12:24] <Hobbsee> \sh: your words were added to my term,b tw.
[12:24] <kwwii> still trying to find the right pink to match the green
[12:24] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ahh.  show what you've got?
[12:25] <\sh> kwwii, moins, are you now at linuxtag?
[12:25] <kwwii> \sh: nope, couldn't make it after all
[12:25] <kwwii> I found someone else to take my place
[12:25] <\sh> kwwii, ok...who is it? :)
[12:25] <kwwii> sebas
[12:26] <\sh> kwwii, oh this crazy dutch guy ... ;)
[12:26] <kwwii> lol, exactly :p
[12:26] <\sh> this will be a hard week for me...
[12:26] <\sh> drinking and more drinking...
[12:26] <Hobbsee> hah.  poor you.
[12:27] <kwwii> I'll be in italy in a few days and the week after that I'll be in california so my wife wouldn't let me go ;-)
[12:27] <\sh> hope I won't start to dance with sebas again, like the last time during froscon
[12:27] <Hobbsee> kwwii: just bring her
[12:27] <kwwii> Hobbsee: she refuses to go to any linux related events
[12:27] <Hobbsee> awww
[12:27] <\sh> kwwii, which is quite good...someone has to stay focused on the real life ;)
[12:28] <kwwii> just last night she told me "I am really proud of what you do, although I really don't understand what that is"
[12:28] <\sh> kwwii, but when you are on a journey, you could give her this as a present...I just ordered one from UK for my GF (http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/335-Apple-is-not-amused,-but-you-should-be,-when-you-use-it.html)
[12:29] <kwwii> hehe, yeah I saw that one
[12:29] <Hobbsee> ....
[12:29] <mhb> provocative
[12:31] <\sh> Hobbsee, I just had a phone call with her, she told me: "You fcking b*st*rd" with some noises which sounds like breaking the laptop
[12:31] <Hobbsee> hah.
[12:31] <Hobbsee> perhaps she wasnt impressed, then.
[12:32] <\sh> nobody understands a joke :(
[12:32] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure if that classes as one of the "guy jokes"
[12:32] <mhb> I expect more people to misunderstand it
[12:32] <Hobbsee> grouped with the toilet jokes, etc.
[12:33] <\sh> Hobbsee, tbh, when I read this on golem.de I was laughing like hell, just because this idea has to come from the british people
[12:33] <Hobbsee> which go down fine in small male groups, usually with alcohol, but not so great with the general population.
[12:33] <Hobbsee> heh.  true.  but still
[12:33] <\sh> Hobbsee, and it's finest black humor...
[12:34] <mhb> you'll get more complaints because of the "gender-tense" mood around planet
[12:34] <Hobbsee> this is true.  but still.
[12:36] <fdoving> why? anyone can use one of those.
[12:37] <fdoving> i get your point, but you can't be that sensitive to things you read.
[12:37] <\sh> I'm wondering, normally I would have several comments from niminy-piminiy US people, that I should be in Guantanamo or whereever...but today, nothing...I wonder why
[12:37] <fdoving> \sh: they have probably scrambeled some CIA assasin squad to go get you.
[12:38] <\sh> HOPEFULLY
[12:38] <\sh> I would be arrested anyways when I enter the US
[12:39] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i'm not that sensitive.  i'm thinking of the otehr people in the ubuntu community who are
[12:40] <fdoving> Hobbsee: well.. some magic with dansguardian could probably block *gasm* and *sex* from anything one reads. I mean, any news source on the internet writes things like that and similar every day.
[12:41] <\sh> Hobbsee, the problem is more, that they think they have to be sensitive, just because they aren't in their real life...I'll tell you, most of those people who commented on my entry the last time, they are in real life the biggest machos ever...believe me
[12:42] <Hobbsee> of course, it's an interesting question whether we're only supposed to syndicate tech-type links to planet - or everything
[12:42] <\sh> and most people have those toys already in their sleeping room , and bullying during their working time...
[12:43] <\sh> anyways...I need a shower, and then I'll go out and have some fun with a couple of colleagues from work (both genders)
[12:43] <\sh> bbl
[12:44] <fdoving> see you.
[12:47] <fdoving> Hobbsee: i guess the goal must be to limit such things in the community, to make it possible for everyone to contribute without beeing hit in the face by things they try to avoid.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> fdoving: that sounds about right
[02:22] <fdoving> Hobbsee: good thing we agree on that. back to the umount issue, did you manage to make it work? - i'm upgrading a virtual machine to gutsy. takes some time, since it's edgy, need to go all the way.
[02:23] <Hobbsee> fdoving: no i didnt really loko into it
[02:23] <fdoving> ok.
[02:23] <fdoving> i'll upgrade and see what happens.
[02:24] <fdoving> i'd really like your feedback on the new safely remove progress dialog though.
[02:24] <fdoving> the kio-umountwrapper one.
[02:24] <Hobbsee> looks nice :)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> shiny
[02:24] <fdoving> thanks, glad you like it. :)
[02:49] <mhb> fdoving: a new look of the umountwrapper?
[02:50] <fdoving> mhb: yes. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946/comments/65
[02:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss]  umount progress dialog missing" [High,Fix released] 
[03:01] <ryanakca> Lure: so that kmilo works?
[03:02] <Lure> ryanakca: yes, I have your package on gutsy
[03:02] <Lure> ryanakca: did not play configuring it, but it looks nicer already as it is smaller
[03:02] <ryanakca> cool
[03:02] <ryanakca> ah
[03:02] <ryanakca> all the bettor
[03:02] <ryanakca> s/bettor/better
[03:03] <ryanakca> should I poke Hobbsee and/or Riddell to look at it for main, or wait till the meeting?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> what's this now?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> (yet)
[03:03] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: http://packages.ryanak.ca/pool/ryan-gutsy/kmilo/kmilo_3.5.7-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
[03:04] <ryanakca> brb, dog
[03:05] <marseillai> Hobbsee: would you have time to take a look at this : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5286 ???
[03:05] <mhb> and the gossip spreads
[03:05] <Hobbsee> mhb: which gossip?
[03:07] <fdoving> ryanakca: is that the little gray one?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> marseillai: what is it?
[03:07] <marseillai> a tv program grabber
[03:07] <marseillai> it use xmltv
[03:07] <Hobbsee> oh, someone distributing the debian direcotry inside the source, presumably
[03:07] <marseillai> to show tv program
[03:08] <marseillai> yes
[03:08] <mhb> Hobbsee: the one with you having main privs :o)
[03:08] <marseillai> and i've got a lintian error i don't understand
[03:08] <Hobbsee> mhb: ahh.  i dont.  i still have to meet with the tech board.
[03:08] <Hobbsee> and they scare me :P
[03:08] <ryanakca> lol
[03:09] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: it's a patched kmilo that is more compact and that can be skinned
[03:09] <Hobbsee> neat :)
[03:10] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: Jucato put it on the agenda, http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KMilo+-+Customizable+DefaultSkin?content=56287
[03:10] <ryanakca> fdoving: I believe it is
[03:11] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> i heard rumours, but didnt follow it up
[03:11] <fdoving> ryanakca: i prefer this one: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=56287&file1=56287-1.png&file2=56287-2.jpg&file3=56287-3.png&name=KMilo+-+Customizable+DefaultSkin
[03:11] <Lure> ryanakca: prepare debdiff for review and send it to kubuntu core-dev (Riddell, Tonio_, imbrandon, \sh and soon Hobsee)
[03:12] <ryanakca> fdoving: I believe that they are all the same, just themed differently
[03:12] <Lure> Hobbsee even ;-)
[03:12] <fdoving> ryanakca: yep, can be changed in kmilodrc
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Lure: heh
[03:12] <mhb> we don't have to have it themable, just improved
[03:13] <ryanakca> Lure: okies. debdiff = `debdiff foor-1.diff.gz foo-2.diff.gz > debdiff-foo-1-foo-2`               ?
[03:13] <mhb> so I think we could wait with diffs&packaging on after the meeting
[03:14] <Lure> ryanakca: debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[03:14] <ryanakca> ah
[03:14] <Lure> ryanakca: then review that it only contains what you think it should ;-)
[03:14] <ryanakca> mhb: so I'll add a link to the debdiff and package in the meeting agenda?
[03:15] <mhb> ryanakca: well I expected some changes on that patch before we include it
[03:15] <mhb> ryanakca: such as kwwii reviewing the look
[03:16] <ryanakca> mhb: the look is set in kmilodrc in k-d-s
[03:16] <ryanakca> but, okies
[03:16] <mhb> ryanakca: the current one?
[03:16] <mhb> ryanakca: or the future one?
[03:17] <mhb> ryanakca: well, it seems you want to get in the "themable" patch
[03:17] <ryanakca> the one I packaged.
[03:17] <ryanakca> lol
[03:18] <mhb> ryanakca: isn't there a "hardcoded new theme" patch and a "customizable" patch?
[03:18] <ryanakca> well, it's not /that/ big of a thing. It took me a whole 10 minutes to set up :)
[03:19] <mhb> ryanakca: I think it's better to have a "hardcoded theme" rather than "totally customizable theme"
[03:19] <fdoving> why?
[03:19] <mhb> fdoving: performance?
[03:19] <fdoving> customizable through kmilodrc doesn't make it that slow.
[03:19] <ryanakca> mhb: yes, the customizable patch is a dependency of the two other patches. http://downloads.guillermoamaral.com/linux/kde/kmilo/howto
[03:20] <fdoving> we're not on 80806 here anymore.
[03:20] <fdoving> -0
[03:20] <mhb> fdoving: well
[03:20] <mhb> fdoving: maybe you aren't :o) but fun aside, I don't see a reason why this particular thing should be themable
[03:20] <mhb> fdoving: it adapts to the widget style
[03:21] <fdoving> then just don't set anything in the kmilodrc, it'll stick to the defaults.
[03:21] <mhb> fdoving: you may be right, of course. But I'd like to see that decision made at the meeting.
[03:21] <ryanakca> kmilodrc is a grand total of 5 lines. It isn't a great big config file like apache... and wouldn't it get stored in the swap/ram once it's run, instead of checking all the time
[03:21] <ryanakca> yeah
[03:22] <ryanakca> I agree on that point
[03:22] <fdoving> i consider that as wasted meeting-time.
[03:22] <fdoving> but that's me.
[03:22] <ryanakca> mhb: but, even if it doesn't get themed, at least it's more compact and cleaner looking
[03:23] <mhb> ryanakca: sure, I agree with having one of the patches in
[03:23] <mhb> ryanakca: I like the "clean" style you posted a link to
[03:24] <ryanakca> Lure: ummm. Is there a reason why the debdiff only contains my changelog entry?
[03:24] <mhb> fdoving: you don't have to be there :o)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> how's 30 may, 1300 UTC?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> for a kubuntu meeting?
[03:25] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: this is when that groupware server would come in handy :)
[03:25] <Lure> ryanakca: how did you apply the change? as patch?
[03:25] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I'm not there, but, ohwell
[03:26] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: no idea how long it will last, or go itno school early
[03:26] <fdoving> Hobbsee: anything before 1600 utc is impossible for me. but i'm not important :)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> fdoving: ahhh.
[03:26] <ryanakca> Lure: yes, I ran cdbs-edit-patch, wgetted the two patches, checked them, applied them, deleted the downloaded patch files and exited the patch system/editor
[03:27] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: go into school early? hmmm. Kinda right smack in the middle of Science :/
[03:27] <Hobbsee> actually, 30 may, 2100 UTC should work better
[03:27] <Hobbsee> i should actually wake up by that oint
[03:27] <Lure> ryanakca: are you sure that you are debdiffing old version (original from repo)?
[03:27] <fdoving> Hobbsee: perfect for me.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> although i will have been at work the previous night...
[03:27] <Lure> ryanakca: it sound like you have first build old one without change log, then added changelog
[03:28] <Hobbsee> oh, a whole lot of assignments shoudl be due by then, so...
[03:28] <marseillai> what should the name of an app wich is in beta version. i've set KGmailNotifier_0.3.0.b2.orig.tar.gz am i right ?
[03:28] <Lure> Hobbsee: CET evening is better for me
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Lure: i dont do CET.
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Lure: convert or die.  :P
[03:28] <Lure> Hobbsee: UTC+2
[03:29] <ryanakca> Lure: aha! yes, now i remember, I had forgotten to add a changelog entry before running debuild
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Lure: right, so the time set is better for you.
[03:29] <Lure> ryanakca: remove old .dsc/gz and apt-get source again
[03:29] <Lure> Hobbsee: yep, during the day I have to work ;-) and late in the evening kids are sleeping ;-)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:34] <marseillai> :(
[03:34] <marseillai> dh_make don't find the source package
[03:35] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: good meeting time... ish. I'll only be there for half an hour, 45-min, but, oh well
[03:35] <Hobbsee> right, OK
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hopefully it'll only be on for that long, anwyay
[03:35] <ryanakca> Anybody can bring up my meeting points if I'm not there
[04:24] <apachelogger> lol, can't apply for membership since I'll be promoting Kubuntu and Amarok in Berlin at the time of meeting
[04:24] <apachelogger> totally paradoxical
[04:25] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:25] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: that particular time, too?  or just that day?
[04:26] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: well, I don't think I'll get a internet connection in berlin @ 21 UTC
[04:27] <apachelogger> considering that's 23 o'clock locale time I think
[04:27] <toma> Hobbsee, Riddell: will we discuss the kubuntu council members?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: ahhh
[04:27] <Hobbsee> toma: that would be the plan.  allee's not here, but he agreed to it at UDS
[04:47] <imbrandon> moins all
[04:50] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon
[04:51] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, :)
[04:59] <Riddell> toma: yes
[04:59] <Riddell> ah, we have a meeting, groovy
[04:59] <Hobbsee> evening Riddell
[05:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, i've finally gotten around to actually doing something
[05:05] <fdoving> Riddell: updated kio-apt for gutsy - http://frode.kde.no/misc/kio-apt-gutsy/
[05:20] <marseillai> Riddell: did you had time to look at kdenetwork with kopete-emoticons-manager?
[05:22] <Riddell> marseillai: not yet I'm afraid
[05:23] <marseillai> no problem
[05:23] <marseillai> just that i'm a bit impatient to know if i can think that now i'm "real" kubuntu contributor with my first main contribution. :)
[05:24] <Riddell> top of my todo now
[05:24] <Riddell> but might be tuesday before I get to it
[05:25] <marseillai> oki
[05:25] <fdoving> contributions to universe are real :)
[05:25] <marseillai> fdoving: yes of course
[05:26] <marseillai> and everyone here if you have some little work for me i take it...
[05:28] <Riddell> marseillai: merge any kde package http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html   http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[05:28] <marseillai> Riddell: what do you mean by "merge" ?
[05:29] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Merging
[05:29] <marseillai> thanks
[05:29] <Riddell> k3b if you want to do something big and complex
[05:29] <Riddell> but maybe pick a small universe package to start
[05:29] <marseillai> yes
[05:30] <marseillai> i'll start little to learn what to do :)
[05:35] <Hobbsee> bye Riddell!
[05:36] <nixternal> Hobbsee: bad news
[05:36] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hm?
[05:36] <nixternal> at 2100 on the 30th, Xubuntu will be using #ubuntu-meeting
[05:36] <nixternal> if you need the 30th, you can do 18:00-20:00 or 22:00-0:00
[05:37] <Hobbsee> bloody timezones.
[05:37] <nixternal> hehe
[05:37] <Hobbsee> i'd thought i subtracted the day correctly
[05:37] <Hobbsee> mmm...dammit.
[05:38] <nixternal> hehe, you want to bump it a day or 2 and keep the same time?
[05:38] <Hobbsee> um....yeah.
[05:38] <Hobbsee> bump it to the 31st?
[05:38] <nixternal> sure
[05:38] <Hobbsee> thanks
[05:40] <fdoving> still 2100 UTC.. good.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:40] <imbrandon> kdeaddons can be sync'd
[05:40] <nixternal> done
[05:41] <Hobbsee> thanks
[05:41] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, wanna file it in LP ? ( they adopted our changes but did so in a diffrent order in the file, thus the merge report )
[05:43] <imbrandon> kdeaddons 4:3.5.7-2
[05:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: not overly, can you do it?
[05:43] <imbrandon> sure
[05:45] <Hobbsee> thanks'''
[05:45] <Hobbsee> besides, if i did it, depending on who was doing the archive run, they may want a sponsor :P
[05:45] <imbrandon> ahh you havent got your wings officialy yet ?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> nope
[05:45] <Hobbsee> TB want to meet up with me
[05:46] <imbrandon> ahh cool
[05:46] <Hobbsee> not cool.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> they probably want to grill me.
[05:46] <imbrandon> yes yes, we all got the grilling ;)
[05:46] <imbrandon> you'll do fine
[05:48] <nixternal> you know what...Google can go to hell
[05:49] <imbrandon> anyone else notice today dell put a big ubuntu banner on the main page, not just www.dell.com/ubuntu
[05:51] <nixternal> it isn't a Kubuntu logo, so I don't Kare ;)
[05:51] <nixternal> haha
[05:51] <fdoving> nixternal: it's a great calculator: http://www.google.com/search?q=2%2B2&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 :)
[05:51] <jjesse> tafternoon
[05:51] <nixternal> fdoving: Katapult is a great calculator :)
[05:51] <jjesse> ok so its still morning :)
[05:52] <fdoving> nixternal: that's not a cluster of thousands of linux machines :)
[05:52] <nixternal> Hobbsee, LaserJock, Brandon, and others have been marked spammers by Google
[05:52] <ryanakca> @.@
[05:52] <Hobbsee> nixternal: oh?
[05:52] <fdoving> nixternal: probably true.
[05:52] <nixternal> mornin' jjesse
[05:52] <nixternal> Hobbsee: ya, I am going through the spam thing and there are a ton of mailing list and bug emails that are marked spam by google
[05:52] <Hobbsee> fun.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> i wonder how that happened
[05:53] <Hobbsee> gmail's filtering sucks, though.  it's gotten worse
[05:53] <nixternal> then I can use my ubuntu.com email to send email to my wife as ubuntu.com is black listed
[05:53] <nixternal> I need to get off of gmail
[05:53] <fdoving> my sister insists on using hotmail, mail from me is always tagged as spam, whatever i do. hotmail rocks too.
[05:53] <nixternal> I could go with comcast or my dreamhost setup
[05:53] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:54] <toma> complaining about free (as in beer) things ?
[05:54] <marseillai> Hobbsee: for merging i must choose an apps form Outstanding Merges or from Updated Merges! i'm not sur but i think it's from Outstanding Merges because Updated Merges are allready done. i'm right ?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> marseillai: they have been done, butthen debian has updated afterwards
[05:54] <Hobbsee> so do either
[05:54] <marseillai> oki
[05:54] <nixternal> anyone know what I would have to do in order to get the admins to switch my forward email address to?
[05:54] <nixternal> ya, I have no idea what I just said
[05:54] <fdoving> nixternal: change your preferred email in launchpad?
[05:55] <nixternal> my preferred email is @ubuntu.com
[05:55] <nixternal> I can email an admin and find out
[05:55] <fdoving> nixternal: oh, then you'll probably have to talk to one of them..
[05:55] <nixternal> ya..hrmm, if I go with my dreamhost account I can use IMAP
[05:56] <Hobbsee> nixternal: that breaks things.
[05:56] <Hobbsee> nixternal: just put in your new preferred address, and it eventually updates
[05:56] <nixternal> ahh
[05:56] <nixternal> I will give it a try
[05:56] <jjesse> won't it update your @ubuntu.com address then to the new preferred address?
[05:57] <Hobbsee> er....that's the poitn?
[05:57] <fdoving> nixternal: there is also kdemail.net for kde people like you.
[05:57] <nixternal> orly
[05:59] <ryanakca> I don't think changing the preferred address in lp updates your @ubuntu.com or @kubuntu.org one... (Ubuntu membership page said to expect having to wait a couple weeks for you email alias to be set up, since it had to be done manually)
[06:00] <nixternal> heh, it is difficult trying to pick out the non-spam stuck in between cialis and "wanna f&$#( all night long" emails
[06:00] <nixternal> and Jordan Mantha is on every page ;)
[06:00] <imbrandon> its not done automaticly /yet/ , they have it planed in a new LP rollout
[06:00] <ryanakca> ah
[06:00] <jjesse> nixternal: you get a lot of spam in your gmail account?
[06:01] <nixternal> a decent amount
[06:01] <nixternal> but looking so far, a 1,000+ this week
[06:02] <nixternal> man, I thought aseigo was ignoring me, all of his responses are in spam..he probably thinks now I was ignoring him
[06:02] <nixternal> heh
[06:02] <ryanakca> well, some idiot decided to send a pile of launchpad bug report look alike emails... with [Bug 23423]  Re: Bug report , following the launchpad email format, except in the end, they threw in a bunch of adds
[06:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 23423 in gnome-terminal "gnome-terminal crashes if you start too many too quickly" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/23423
[06:03] <ryanakca> they got threw my spam filtering...
[06:04] <nixternal> damn, spammers got smart... [Bug 110111]  Ubuntu needs Cialis
[06:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110111 in sane-backends "snapscan e25 doesn"t work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110111
[06:04] <fdoving> i use MailScanner with spamassassin and everything, it's quite good.
[06:04] <nixternal> I hardly get spam to my inbox as Google does catch over 90% of it
[06:05] <nixternal> but Google has been blocking Ubuntu and KDE stuff
[06:07] <fdoving> bad google.
[06:07] <fdoving> bbl, dinner.
[06:07] <nixternal> haha, I interviewed for this job in Mexico, they do Internet Marketing, big place, and now I am getting a ton of "Hola Nixternal!" emails
[06:07] <nixternal> hehe
[06:08] <nixternal> I think the place I interviewed sold my info
[06:08] <Hobbsee> ugh L(
[06:09] <marseillai> what means this : "grep ^diff debian.debdiff" ? what are we looking for ?
[06:10] <Hobbsee> diff on a new line, in debian.debdiff
[06:10] <Hobbsee> ie, diff -urN..... that they give
[06:10] <marseillai> oki
[06:10] <marseillai> thanks
[06:17] <marseillai> in this tuto https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Merging this is not an error : xcdroast (0.98+0alpha15-3'''ubuntu1''') dapper; urgency=low ??? the ''' should not be there isn't it ???
[06:19] <apachelogger> hm
[06:19] <apachelogger> how gets config.guess.cdbs-orig created?
[06:21] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: what do you use now?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: for?...
[06:22] <ryanakca> email, since you switched away from google
[06:23] <Hobbsee> oh
[06:23] <Hobbsee> fastmail.fm
[06:23] <Hobbsee> it's imap based, which is a great help
[06:23] <fdoving> apachelogger: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/buildcore.mk line 119
[06:25] <apachelogger> fdoving: thx
[06:44] <toma> \sh_away: thanks for pointing me at otp. Works nicely.
[06:49] <marseillai> Hobbsee: i've make debdiff kftpgrabber_0.8.0~beta2-1.dsc kftpgrabber_0.8.0-0ubuntu1.dsc > ubuntu.debdiff to merge kftpgrabber but the debdiff does 103000 lines! is it normal? or i've done something wrong ?
[06:50] <Hobbsee> marseillai: check what's in it
[06:50] <Hobbsee> it may be translations
[06:50] <marseillai> oki
[06:50] <marseillai> kwrite doesn't like it
[06:50] <marseillai> :)
[06:50] <marseillai> it lag
[06:52] <marseillai> Hobbsee: i really don't understand it looks like it's not the same source files ....
[06:53] <Hobbsee> the debdiff will include everything - not just the debian directory
[06:54] <marseillai> Hobbsee: but if kftpgrabber_0.8.0-0ubuntu1.dsc is based on kftpgrabber_0.8.0~beta2-1.dsc there should not be any change in source directory ?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> is 0.8.0 actually released?
[06:54] <toma> nite
[06:54] <Hobbsee> night!
[06:55] <fdoving> nite.
[07:01] <marseillai> arf
[07:01] <marseillai> fdoving: i was looking to merge kftpgrabber
[07:01] <marseillai> but it seems it is not based on any debian version
[07:02] <marseillai> so what should i do ?
[07:03] <fdoving> get the debian version and upgrade it if needed.
[07:09] <marseillai> oki
[07:16] <marseillai> fdoving: there is nothing in kftpgrabber from kubuntu wich is not in debian's one
[07:16] <marseillai> so what i've to do ?
[07:16] <fdoving> marseillai: request a sync from debian.
[07:16] <marseillai> on LP ?
[07:17] <Riddell> marseillai: file a bug on the package asking for a sync and saying why it's ok to overwrite any changes in ubuntu
[07:18] <Riddell> then get it confirmed by a core-dev or motu as appropriate and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[07:18] <marseillai> oki
[07:18] <marseillai> suscribe ubuntu-archive ?
[07:18] <Riddell> also say what version you want imported from debian and what debian repository (unstable usually)
[07:25] <Riddell> yes
[07:25] <Riddell> "Subscribe someone else" -> ubuntu-archive
[07:36] <Riddell> subscribe someone else after reporting it
[07:46] <nixternal> Linux car just crashed at the Indy 500
[07:46] <nixternal> like anyone really cares :)
[07:46] <toma> nixternal: panos = linux ?
[07:47] <nixternal> #77, which is a Panos I believe
[07:47] <nixternal> Panos or Panoz?
[07:47] <toma> i dont know, i just write what the commentators say ;-)
[07:47] <nixternal> hehe
[07:47] <toma> but what's the linux part?
[07:48] <giangy> only a tux logo
[07:48] <toma> ah
[07:48] <nixternal> a couple of them...I was surprised to see like 4 of them on the car
[07:49] <toma> i missed that
[07:49] <toma> i'll settle for the pace car btw
[08:05] <nixternal> hehe
[08:05] <nixternal> mmm coffee
[08:18] <ryanakca> I changed my GPG passphrase, and I wrote it down on a cue card about an hour ago, but I can't seem to use my key!
[08:18] <ryanakca> hmmmm
[08:21] <ryanakca> well, I found a typo in kgpg...
[08:23] <Lure> marseillai: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[08:24] <marseillai> Lure: it's not well done ?
[08:25] <Lure> marseillai: I was off irc for 40 minutes, so I am still reffering to your old post
[08:26] <marseillai> Lure: oki! but now i've post this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kftpgrabber/+bug/117230 and will wait for tonio to check this
[08:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117230 in kftpgrabber "[sync]  sync kftpgrabber from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[08:26] <ryanakca> wait! weee! I have a backup of my .gnupg!
[09:43] <mhb> yay, polyester is going to be developed on Launchpad
[09:59] <ryanakca> mhb: cooel
[11:06] <jjesse> evening
[11:08] <DaSkreech> hi jjesse
[11:08] <DaSkreech> how goes?
[11:08] <jjesse> hello DaSkreech
[11:08] <jjesse> going well i guess
[11:08] <DaSkreech> great :)
[11:08] <jjesse> DaSkreech: quick question, if i connect a usb drive formated in ntfs i'm prompted to open it in a new window, if i do so nothing happens...
[11:09] <fdoving> yeah, that sucks.
[11:09] <fdoving> pmount lacks support for ntfs-3g, so it won't work with that driver.
[11:09] <fdoving> with the good old read only ntfs drvier it should work though.
[11:10] <fdoving> .. given there is no fstab entry for the device.
[11:10] <jjesse> so how would i go about mounting the drive so i could reformat it?
[11:10] <fdoving> mount the drive to copy stuff from it, before formatting?
[11:10] <jjesse> do i have to mount the drive to format it?
[11:10] <jjesse> its a brand new usb drive
[11:10] <fdoving> no, you should not mount before formatting.
[11:11] <jjesse> ok
[11:11] <jjesse> i know this sisn't #kubuntu so thanks for the help
[11:11] <fdoving> you format first, then you mount the result from the formatting.
[11:11] <jjesse> oh ok
[11:11] <fdoving> gparted is nice for formatting and things.
[11:12] <fdoving> qtparted exists too, but i always recommend gparted as it's more mature.
[11:12] <jjesse> there is very liltte that is more boring then rain delayed racing
[11:15] <fdoving> hah.. yeah,  like waiting for the girls to finish shopping at the shopping centres..
[11:15] <jjesse> grin exactly
[11:15] <jjesse> indy 500 on red flag
[11:16] <fdoving> i have no idea what you are talking about. is it sports?
[11:16] <fdoving> indy 500, is that the tuxcar race?
[11:16] <jjesse> yeah the tux car is in it
[11:17] <jjesse> don't remember where it is currently placed at
[11:19] <DaSkreech> jjesse: you can format as long as you have a /dev device file
[11:19] <jjesse> DaSkreech: thanks
[11:19] <jjesse> fdoving: all set w/ gparted
[11:21] <fdoving> did you manage to format it nicely?
[11:22] <DaSkreech> Is Qtparted maintained?
[11:22] <fdoving> no idea.
[11:32] <fdoving> looks like not.
[11:32] <fdoving> qtparted.sf.net
[11:32] <marseillai_> since times now
[11:34] <DaSkreech> Sooo should we have it in Kubuntu?
[11:34] <DaSkreech> or should we push to get a maintainer?
[11:34] <marseillai_> if you know an alternative to qtparted ....
[11:34] <marseillai_> i think mandriva have their own patch to it
[11:35] <marseillai_> does kubuntu installer still use qtparted ?
[11:43] <DaSkreech> I'm not sure actually
[11:46] <DaSkreech> Could just be a simple front end to parted
[11:47] <DaSkreech> Though qtparted is on the live Cd IIRC
[11:59] <marseillai_> DaSkreech: i think it use qtparted and it may be the reason i still use alternate cd
[12:03] <DaSkreech> marseillai_: Well I hardly do any custom partitioning and when I do I don't use the installer to do it
[12:03] <DaSkreech>  having said that I
[12:03] <DaSkreech> 've never had a problem with the installer
[12:07] <marseillai_> apacheLAGger: i've just read your blog! and perhaps you should look here : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5304
[12:07] <marseillai_> i'm allready working on maxemumtvguide
[12:16] <DaSkreech> hi imbrandon
[12:19] <imbrandon> ello DaSkreech
[12:19] <DaSkreech> haven't seen you in a bit I think...
[12:20] <imbrandon> i'm arround , i just reconnected