[01:44] <Enverex> Damnit, there's another one now aswell
[02:11] <Enverex> Why are the rt2500 and rt2500pci drivers missing from the ,22 kernel?
[02:16] <Enverex> (and .21 kernel for that matter)
[02:28] <gnomefreak> Enverex: neither have been released as upgrade. you will be missing modules for a while in the kernels as with ever other release has seen
[02:29] <Enverex> gnomefreak, Ah, I thought they packaged all modules with each kernel, I didn't realise they missed any
[02:29] <Enverex> The issue is that the rt2500-source in the repos doesn't compile against the kernel though :/
[02:29] <gnomefreak> not all modules get packaged right away or you would get alot more breakage
[02:31] <Enverex> More breakage than it not working at all? lo
[02:31] <Enverex> *lol
[02:32] <gnomefreak> Enverex: breakage to other things
[02:33] <gnomefreak> hence more people with broken kernel
[02:34] <gnomefreak> Enverex: if you want more of an ETA on it check with #ubuntu-kernel but dont be suprised if you dont get an answer its weekend and most people are not here
[02:35] <Enverex> Ah, it's just annoying how the kernel lacks it and it the package in the repo wont compile against the kernel
[02:35] <gnomefreak> Enverex: that is why its not in it :)
[02:36] <Enverex> ...
[02:45] <crimsun> Enverex: fix it, submit the diff.
[02:49] <Enverex> crimsun, ... erm, yeah... because I know everything about the 2500 RT driver...
[02:49] <Hobbsee> learn it.
[02:50] <Enverex> ... I'm having  Dejavu of being back on Gentoo...
[02:51] <crimsun> Enverex: in short, because the kernel is strapped for resources, and because no one from the community has stepped up to give it some love, it's not there.
[02:51] <crimsun> kernel team, even.
[02:52] <Hobbsee> Enverex: gentoo is the same - it doestn ahve infinite resources for development.  it requires people to step up if they want to see something happening, in almost all cases.
[02:53] <Enverex> And here I was thinking Ubuntu was the "just works" distro
[02:53] <Hobbsee> it usually does.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> but that doesnt mean it doesnt have areas it cant improve on
[02:54] <Hobbsee> nor does it mena that it doesnt have the manpower problems of any linux distro
[02:54] <Enverex> It's just odd that the driver used to be in the kernel and it was actually "the" recommended chipset to have on the Wiki guides
[02:55] <Hobbsee> then it shouldnt be that hard to get it in again
[02:57] <Hobbsee> oh good, kdepim built and was published.
[02:58] <Enverex> Hobbsee, That would be true if I could get it to compile against the kernel...
[02:59] <Hobbsee> heh, indeed
[03:00] <Hobbsee> crimsun: who knows anything about poppler, apart from pitti?
[03:07] <crimsun> Hobbsee: maybe seb or the Debian maintainer.
[03:07] <Hobbsee> right
[03:07] <Hobbsee> crimsun: krita looks for a file that now doesnt exist.
[03:11] <LjL> ubotwo part
[05:20] <mzuverink> Ive got a broblem with my moms wireless on her laptop.  I finally converted her and have install Feisty on a Gateway MT6451, the wireless card reports in Hardware Information as Unknown Device(0x5a37) Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card.  I have tried a bunch of various Howto's and nothing seems to work.  Does anyone have this card and have a surefire way to make it run?
[07:08] <DanaG> Hmm, now suspend works, but resume doesn't.
[10:34] <mzuverink> whenever I log out of my user while the ATI proprietary drivers are install I cannot get a login screen, all goes black and stays that way, any fix come to mind anyone?
[10:34] <Hobbsee> remove the ATI drivers?
[10:35] <gnomefreak> mzuverink: feisty?
[10:35] <Hobbsee> ATI probably hasnt updated tehir drivers for the new xorg in gutsy
[10:35] <mzuverink> yeah feisty
[10:35] <gnomefreak> mzuverink: ask in #ubuntu
[10:35] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: they havent
[10:35] <Hobbsee> yay, ATI
[10:36] <mzuverink> they havent answered much there all night of any relevence
[10:36] <gnomefreak> normally they release around beta unless they have changed the way they release
[10:36] <gnomefreak> mzuverink: read the topic of this channel it is only for gutsy
[10:36] <mzuverink> sorry, my bad
[10:36] <gnomefreak> mzuverink: good chance they dont know. file a bug or if you have beryl/compiz disable it
[10:37] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: ahh
[11:40] <cyphase> is there a cd image of gutsy, or do you have to dist-upgrade from feisty?
[11:40] <Hobbsee> dist-upgrade
[11:40] <cyphase> thought so
[11:40] <cyphase> thanks
[11:41] <Hobbsee> see the topic, with the schedule, for when there will be
[11:41] <cyphase> yea, i have.. i just thought there might be a daly build
[11:41] <cyphase> daily*
[11:42] <gnomefreak> cyphase: its not ready for any public testing yet. its is for devels atm
[11:42] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it's really not that bad atm - as long as you dont need things like oo.o
[11:42] <cyphase> gnomefreak: i know.. i'm just going to install it in a VM
[11:42] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: right now no its really not but it will be
[11:43] <gnomefreak> cyphase: you are gonna need to upgrade.
[11:43] <cyphase> gnomefreak: yea, i know
[11:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: true dat.
[11:44] <gnomefreak> if they dont fix hunspell and poppler than it will be a bit late
[11:44] <gnomefreak> cyphase: it will remove gimp and a few other thing
[11:44] <gnomefreak> s
[11:44] <Hobbsee> poppler has been fixed
[11:44] <Hobbsee> it's the others which are slow
[11:44] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:44] <Hobbsee> and it appears that the popler interface has changed a fair bit - krita didnt build, for eg
[11:44] <gnomefreak> gimp was uninstallible yesterday
[11:44] <cyphase> gnomefreak: again, i'm going to install it in a VM. I don't want to dedicate a machine to it right now
[11:45] <gnomefreak> oh it was a fairly big change
[11:45] <gnomefreak> cyphase: im just letting you know what is going to happen so you dont come back saying crap gimp is gone i needed that
[01:15] <iKs> Hi all :)
[01:16] <iKs> I just installed Gutsy (I upgraded from Fesity) and I'm having a tiny problem with fonts
[01:16] <iKs> When I rebooted, all my fonts were like 2 pts smaller
[01:16] <iKs> that was not a real problem, I went to System >> Admin >> Fonts and chossed 12 instead of 10
[01:16] <iKs> but some apps do not take thi sinto account :s
[01:17] <iKs> Firefox (task bar and body), Thunderbird (task bar), XChat(body)
[01:17] <iKs> Does anyone have the same problem ?
[01:21] <iKs> Anyone ? :s
[01:28] <zaggynl> iKs, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=437727
[01:28] <zaggynl> yay forums and google
[01:29] <Hobbsee> !weekend is <reply> It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[01:29] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[01:29] <zaggynl> awesome
[01:29] <iKs> zaggynl: Thx a lot ! I ran a search on font and didn't find anything
[01:29] <zaggynl> iKs, I hope it works out for ya :)
[01:30] <iKs> zaggynl: but searching for thuderbird and Firefox is not a bad idea :p
[01:30] <iKs> zaggynl: I'll read the topic ;) Thx again
[01:30] <zaggynl> iKs, actually I used this: 'http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=gutsy+small+fonts&btnG=Google+zoeken&meta='
[01:30] <zaggynl> !zaggynl is <reply> some random guy on #ubuntu
[01:30] <zaggynl> :(
[01:30] <Hobbsee> !night is <reply>  It's the middle of the night in the US and the UK.  This means that a lot of people are likely asleep, and so therefore there are less potential people who can answer your question.  Please be patient, and consider asking at a time when more people will be awake.  This is particularly true in the quieter channels.
[01:30] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[01:31] <Hobbsee> !night
[01:31] <ubotu> It's the middle of the night in the US and the UK.  This means that a lot of people are likely asleep, and so therefore there are less potential people who can answer your question.  Please be patient, and consider asking at a time when more people will be awake.  This is particularly true in the quieter channels.
[01:31] <Hobbsee> good bot.
[01:35] <iKs> zaggynl: Worked for XChat and for Fiefox and Thunderbird before their reboot :/
[01:36] <iKs> (XCHat still works fine but Firefox and Thunderbird came back to default)
[01:36] <iKs> Anyway it's not a big deal and knowing I'm not the only one experiencing this issue is enough for me ;)
[01:36] <iKs> I'll have a look at LP
[01:36] <zaggynl> oki
[01:53] <Enverex> Hobbsee, Middle of the night? It's 1 in the afternoon
[01:54] <zaggynl> Enverex, he was adding stuff and testing ;-)
[01:55] <Enverex> Ah, lol
[01:55] <Enverex> and the US is like 5 to 8 hours behind the UK, or even 6 to 9 during BST so if it's the middle of the night in the UK then it wont be in the US
[01:58] <Hobbsee> zaggynl: she.  but true
[01:58] <zaggynl> oh, pardon me :3, I missed your female characteristics
[01:59] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:00] <Enverex> Heh, "Hobbs" doesn't sound female :P Always makes me think of the guy from the start of Beneath a Steel Sky, Hobbins :P
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Enverex: sure, but sarah does :)
[02:01] <zaggynl> ah, there we go
[02:01] <jussi01> hehe
[02:01] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:02] <Enverex> "Like my little robot?" "It's crap son"
[02:40] <kurisu> hi, does anyone know how to fix this please: PCI: Bus #06 (-#09) is hidden behind transparent bridge #01 (-#01)
[02:45] <gnomefreak> kurisu: feisty?
[02:46] <kurisu> yes
[02:46] <gnomefreak> kurisu: join #ubuntu and ask please
[02:47] <kurisu> ahh oh yeah im in the wrong channel... sorry
[04:17] <ScarFreewill> any1 treid to run kde4?
[05:23] <jadacyrus> Is there a way to install linux-restricted-modules w/out nvidia-kernel-common
[07:00] <DanaG> I fixed xubuntu-desktop by installing the Feisty versions of the mixer and mixer-alsa packages.
[07:31] <DanaG> This channel often seems rather quiet.
[07:37] <jussi01> DanaG: it is as gutsy is not yet even alpha...
[07:37] <DanaG> Good point there.
[08:08] <DanaG> WTFhellz?
[10:12] <binskipy2u> hey guys, how can i know how far a default install of ubuntu 7.04 will update 2?
[10:12] <binskipy2u> package by package?
[11:18] <_StefanS_> hi there
[11:19] <_StefanS_> I was going to report an issue with the latest gutsy kernel and mptscsi
[11:20] <_StefanS_> just wanted to know if someone already noticed that