[12:16] Fujitsu: ok removed it [12:17] thanks to all! [12:17] and now good night :p === RainCT [n=RainCT@77.209.27.50] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === cypher1 [n=cypher1@c-68-83-184-230.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-039-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:39] what is the correct versioning format for a backported package? [12:44] I think ~ [12:44] but I'm not positive [12:44] you might check the -backports repo [12:45] Fujitsu: erm... subject line about that shlib improvement? [12:46] Q-FUNK: `Improved dependencies on shared libraries' [12:46] joejaxx: ~1 [12:50] Fujitsu: ok thanks [12:50] LaserJock: thanks :) [12:55] Fujitsu: hmm... well. nice discussion, yes. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bixente [n=Vincent@ANantes-157-1-67-40.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === noria [n=noria@p5080D485.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp30-98.lns4.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh goes to bed...cu later === tudenbart [n=willi@xdsl-213-196-247-44.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tudenbart is now known as dothebart [02:18] Hey all. [02:18] Morning TheMuso === morphir [n=morphir@adsl-sna1-098.nett.nteb.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-motu === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ASCIIGirl [n=mlt@debian/developer/mlt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] morning all [02:44] Morning Hobbsee === Hobbsee kicks stevenk's isp === LongPointyStick [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === concept10 [n=concept1@ppp-70-247-163-181.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trouble_funk [n=concept1@ppp-70-247-163-181.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Showering] === gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@64-121-52-87.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@64-121-52-87.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:32] sigh, another bug report to the mailing list :/ [03:33] yep [03:33] "PLEASE REPORT BUGS TO THE BUGTRACKER, KTHXBYE" === bleinmono [n=toffel@ppp85-141-149-199.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:35] makes me wonder why they do it and if we can put a notice saying "File bugs on launchpad please" somewhere strategic to avoid it [03:36] people dont read [03:36] ^ [03:36] because the bugtracker is confusing, probably [03:37] requirng you to know what the package actually is [03:37] hmm, oh well [03:37] when these are #ubuntu-type people, you shouldn't expect them to actually read - they want personal responses === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.144.229] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee has seen this a lot, due to ops there, and people who dont read topics and FAQ's [03:38] because, if i ask again, then just maybe the answer will be different!!! [03:38] yes [03:38] using #ubuntu as a biologic search engine [03:39] purely because answering a question with "google it" is considered bad === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] when actually all the answering person is doing is googling it him/herself [03:39] that's true [03:39] of course [03:40] if i am in #u and someone asks a question i know the answer to, i'll answer [03:40] although i've done that in the past and learned a bit from googling it myself... but i'd only do that if i was interested in the problem and wasn't busy [03:40] but many of the users would benefit from simply learning to jfgi [03:40] perhaps publishing a workflow diagram [03:41] ubuntu-wiki -> google -> #u [03:41] answer -> ubuntu-wiki [03:42] also i get yelled at for using factoids to answer questions, even when the factoid points at the answer [03:43] how unappreciative [03:43] help my sound doesnt work [03:43] !sound [03:43] dont do that [03:54] jmg: who was the op? === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:12] Hobbsee: forgot [04:13] jmg: factoids exist so you *can* give them out like that. [04:13] the ops use them most of all [04:13] i'd suspect that the op was saying "dont do that" to something else - like if the asker was repeating. === vorian [n=grrr@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fdiv_bug [i=fdiv_bug@donut.efs.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host122-198-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:08] why wont dh_make accept "aoeui-1.0_alpha5"? === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host122-198-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:10] ryanakca: you can't have underscores in package name === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host122-198-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sloof3 [n=andy@pdpc/supporter/student/sloof3] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:31] Is it debootstrap that is version dependent or is it pbuilder? or both? === man-di_ [n=mkoch@dyndsl-080-228-194-203.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:34] minghua: ah, so, I remake the .tar.gz? [05:49] ryanakca: no need to remake, just rename it [05:50] ryanakca: you already need to rename it to .orig.tar.gz anyway === apacheLAGger [n=me@N818P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === azeem_ [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-32-71.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp30-98.lns4.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:17] "I usually use Gnome but decided to give KDE a belt. The crash happened before I did anything." [07:17] ...but you _did_ do something. [07:29] crimsun: where is that from? [07:29] #117103 [07:30] wow -- > http://www.devside.net/blog/ [07:32] mmkay, someone appears to love black helicopters. [07:33] indeed [07:33] check out the comments [07:34] Anybody noticed that linux-image-generic has not yet been updated for x86, yet for other arches, at least powerpc, it is updated, and brings in the new kernel? [07:34] are you referring to feisty or gutsy? [07:34] crimsun: Feisty. [07:35] http://www.devside.net/ <-- hmm, this guy might have a vested interest in not having Ubuntu suceed [07:35] Whats interesting, is that it successfully built, but on the package version page, only the binaries for all arches other than amd64/x86 seem to be there === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-185-45.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:39] TheMuso: that's because neither i386 nor amd64 have built. [07:39] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/2.6.20.16.28 [07:39] both arches are listed as "Needs building" [07:40] Hmm ok. Must have missed that. [07:47] Burgundavia: it is just to get hits..if you look at everyone of his posts, there aren't any comments...he posts anti-ubuntu fud and now he gets comments and hits [07:48] and then says "I do everything in the world to promote GNU/Linux"...ya spreading fud != GNU/Linux advocation [07:48] good morning motu's! [07:48] pretty much [07:48] I would violate the CoC to punch him in the nose, and then toss him a Windows Vista CD to clean up with [07:48] hah, toldya he has a Vista CD. [07:48] damnit [07:48] I knew I was going to get that [07:48] :-D [07:49] nixternal: there is a the scarier conclusion: he might actually believe it [07:51] Burgundavia: see, I know he is phoney from one line... [07:51] "Ive been a Linux user since the Slackware days. Ive supported GNU/Linux." [07:51] wtf were the "Slackware days"? [07:51] people who suck at Linux, always say they have been using Linux since the "slackware days" [07:51] they think because they used slackware, they are super 1337 [07:51] hey now, I resemble that comment [07:51] haha [07:52] same here crimsun [07:52] I never used linux before 2003 [07:52] I started with LFS as I only had enough CDs for the kernel [07:52] err, floppies [07:52] I have never compiled my own kernel, nor ever wanted to [07:52] I got started in 1995 as we had super fast Internet in the military and a ton of floppies [07:52] Burgundavia: kernel compilation is pretty easy nowadays [07:53] ask imbrandon, I was doing it up until about 6 or so months ago with Kubuntu [07:53] you miss my point [07:53] Burgundavia: never? [07:53] then I got sick of breaking stuff with updates, so I just gave up [07:53] I don't want to [07:53] sure you do === jussi01 tickles TheMuso [07:53] crimsun and all the wonderful kernel people do a wonderful job [07:54] hehe, true that [07:54] I haven't built a kernel since moving to Ubuntu [07:54] hold on, let me translate that into Chicagoan [07:54] tru'dat [07:54] actually I just drink a lot of tea, but yeah, the rest of the kernel team does a great job. [07:54] but I ran Gentoo for a while so .. [07:54] some of even paid for their wonderful work [07:54] I have yet to really try Gentoo [07:54] much like I never compile GNOME [07:54] I saw their KDE implementation at a LUG event and didn't like it [07:55] it is ironic that at nearly every event, the most professional booth is run by Gentoo [07:55] they have done community right for a long time [07:55] I noticed that last year at barcamp [07:55] but it seems all of their Chicago users are now in Ubuntu Chicago [07:56] some of Ubuntu Chicago and the Chicago GLUG have created a GNOME users group [07:56] our LUG hasn't met in 3 months [07:56] given I am VP of it, I guess I should do somethign [07:56] Chicago GLUG does it all..LUG, LISPUG, PerlUG, PyUG, GNOMEUG [07:57] if someone has time.... http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5279 (mnemosyne) I would appreciate it. :D [07:57] hehe, I am VP of CoDLUG, and we meet monthly, otherwise I would have about 10 old guys wanting to kill me for taking away from their geek time away from their wives [07:58] jussi01: shush you, we are kibbitzing [07:58] it was pretty cool today...I met up with that DD in Chicago...he has been a DD since like 95...he was like the 40 something DD back then...dude reminds me of crimsun, just knows everything *nix [07:58] lol [07:59] heh, superm1 lives right up the road from me ey [07:59] how come you aren't in Ubuntu Chicago? :) [08:00] superm1: when you are in Chicago and have some free time, I know I have a group of people who would be interested in a MythTV talk/tutorial/sprint === bleinmono [n=toffel@ppp85-141-149-199.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:11] ok, did I kill the discussion? [08:11] :( [08:11] you sure did [08:11] but you just might spark it back up :) [08:11] I dont beleive _everyone_ is reviewing my package.... [08:12] its not _that_ special.... [08:12] :P [08:12] nixternal: anything fun happening? got any cool news? [08:13] getting ready to head to bed..that is about it [08:13] how about yourself? [08:14] heh, I just got up... sunday morning here [08:14] UK'n it ey [08:14] nah [08:14] a little further east [08:14] dont ask me why im up at 9.15 am on sunday [08:14] nixternal: finland :D [08:14] ahha [08:14] good nights sleep ahead of me :) [08:15] but Im an aussie... [08:15] :D [08:15] 1:15am == bed time ;) [08:16] g'nite all, and make sure you finish all merges by the time I wake up [08:16] ;p [08:16] g'nite nixternal [08:16] night nixternal === silwol [n=silwol@194.152.122.177] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rgl [n=Rui@84.90.10.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vijay2000 [n=vijay@59.92.34.214] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:31] can anybody tell where i am wrong in this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22652/ [09:32] anybody there [09:32] please wait [09:32] ok === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp30-98.lns4.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ASCIIGirl [n=mlt@debian/developer/mlt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:39] vijay2000, looks just what it says , failure to apply a patch [09:39] Trying patch debian/patches/remove-first_run-from-clamtk.patch at level 0...1...2...failure. [09:39] ^^ from that log [09:39] vijay2000: Your patch doesn't apply cleanly. You'll need to fix that. Try running `debian/rules reverse-config` in the unpacked source to look at the error messages (likely in debian/patches/ or debian/patched/) [09:40] hello persia imbrandon [09:40] heya jussi01 [09:40] jussi01: Hi. I suppose I should look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5279 :) [09:40] persia: yeah, that would be nice :D === jussi01 hopes for good things... [09:41] :D [09:42] how to get the source code of gutsy [09:42] all of it? [09:42] o.O [09:43] or just for that one program? [09:43] one program === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:45] vijay2000: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=clamtk&version=gutsy&arch=all [09:45] this is what i get when i do a reverse config http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22653/ [09:46] is that what you are after? [09:46] i was asked by my mentor to go through the source code of gutsy [09:46] how do I mark my change as NMU? [09:47] no i am after the clamtk code in gutsy [09:47] rgl, ignore that warning, NMU policy does not apply to ubuntu [09:47] rgl: I dont thenk you have to [09:47] heh [09:47] ah OK. [09:47] what you mean by LP [09:48] but anyways, how would I do it debian? :D [09:48] lanchpad [09:48] i think that was a stupid question from me [09:49] indeed [09:49] rgl, as far as I remember, by changing the version number to e.g. 0.5.0-1.1 (you simply add the .x part at the end, or increment it if there was a previous NMU) [09:49] and then you have to upload that one to the DELAYED queue IMHO, but I am sure that is written down somewhere on the web [09:49] rgl: You also need the appropriate NMU syntax in the changelog, but you probably shouldn't NMU a debian package without speaking to people in Debian at length first. [09:50] I see. thx :) [09:51] rgl, http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-pkgs.en.html#s-nmu [09:52] sweet, thx :) [09:53] persia: reverse config i get this message http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22653/ [09:54] vijay2000: Sorry. It's annoyingly difficult for me to get to that URL right now :) Please wait. [09:54] ok sure i shall wait no prob :) === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-da2b7ffce2e99600] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:58] vijay2000: That's odd. Looking at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22652/, the last debian/rules rule called appears to be reverse-config. Essentially, what you want to do it call whichever rule is patching your sources so you can look at the failure and fix the patch. [10:01] i dont get you [10:01] hrm [10:01] If anyone wants a small project, the vcf package imported from debian is a replacement for the vcf-plugins package previously in Ubuntu, and so needs to conflict/replace appropriately. I'd be happy to help if you have questions. === vijay2000 [n=vijay@59.92.34.214] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [10:02] vijay2000: OK. In your debian/rules file, you have a list of rules. One of these patches the source, and that is trying to apply the patch that fails. If you call the correct rule, the output of the filaures will be available in your source tree, and you can easily review the failure to determine how the patch must be modified. [10:04] nixternal, how'd you know I was from Chicagoland? [10:04] oh behindmotu :) [10:07] <\sh> congrats superm1 [10:07] on? [10:07] <\sh> for being a star now ,) [10:07] hehe === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] anyone seen esr on irc lately ? [10:10] ooh. i didn't even realize behindmotu was added to ubuntu planet. I must be a star now :) === \sh is more a black sheep then a white start ;) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:11] <\sh> moins ogra === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crevette [n=crevette@man06-2-88-167-44-76.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:14] Is there a perl equivalent to sh -x? [10:15] hey all [10:16] heya Hobbsee [10:16] :) [10:17] <\sh> TheMuso, perl -W ? === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:18] \sh: Possibly, thanks. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:18] <\sh> TheMuso, wait, you want to see the source lines, when your script is running, right? -W is more "display all warnings" [10:20] what about the perl debugger (-d)? [10:20] <\sh> TheMuso, something like this is not available for perl, afaik [10:20] <\sh> geser, could go, but not the same behaviour as sh -x ;) === \sh needs another cup of tea, and a cigarette and wait for his blog to be hit from niminy-piminy people ... *run* [10:24] mmm mtdew and cigarettes [10:24] :) [10:25] icky. [10:25] gross. [10:26] cigarettes arent cool [10:26] imbrandon: together? [10:26] Hobbsee, always :) [10:26] ick === jmg confiscates imbrandon's cigarette and replaces with a joint [10:26] imbrandon: Remember to crush and soak your cigarettes for at least two days in the mtdew to ensure the flavor is mixed appropriately. [10:26] just dont smoke them anywhere near me, and it's all good. [10:26] poor tonio_ learned this the hard way === \sh is against joints. [10:27] Hobbsee, you seen my work area, never missing the mt dew or smokes :) http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/new_workzone.jpg [10:27] haha, true that [10:27] the fridge is too far away though [10:27] me,tonio,ken and BenC spent most of the time at uds-mtv outside on the laptops smoking [10:27] <\sh> Hobbsee, tonio_ is a frenchman, so he is born with a cigarette ,-) [10:28] looks smelly [10:28] <\sh> imbrandon, so you did an outside smoking bof ,-) [10:28] \sh, daily :) [10:28] \sh: this is true. the poor guy couldnt light up without me coughing for most of the week. i think it got to him on the first night. [10:28] <\sh> imbrandon, btw...did you play texas holdem with benC? ,-) [10:29] \sh, yea, a few of the nights i did [10:29] ah yes, they were doing that one night in sevilla [10:29] \sh, mostly after the bar :) [10:29] imbrandon: heh, looks like vista :) [10:29] and trying chip tricks === \sh will do it the next time, when he's going to an UDS [10:29] Lutin, its a kde skin, i'm running gnome atm [10:29] TheMuso: Try perl -d:Trace. [10:29] imbrandon's taking after nixternal, with pointy-clicky vista? oh no!!! [10:29] crimsun, we've got another traitor! [10:29] nah [10:30] imbrandon: :) === \sh needs to buy an iPod now...let's check ebay [10:31] i have a new keyboard though now, that pic is a few weeks old === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-29-165.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh realised this night, that he forgot all his perl knowledge since he is coding in python === noria [n=noria@p5080D44F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:38] jussi01: My build system seems to have found a corner to die in, but I've put a few comments up. I'll take another look after I finish rebuilding things. [10:39] hehe [10:39] you should build circular rooms! [10:41] Hobbsee: That would make it easier to find the mess, but I'm fairly sure it wouldn't help with life expectancy. Besides, I prefer to respect the privacy of my build system. [10:41] ahhh... === jussio1 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-185-45.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-76-54.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@unaffiliated/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:54] Hi all [10:55] <\sh> moins DarkMageZ [10:55] <\sh> aeh DarkSun88 [10:55] \sh: Hello. :) === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lamego [n=lamego@a83-132-96-124.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-1e04890ac7c72a2f] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:33] hmm. Pidgin _is_ an improvement over Gaim. [11:34] persia: can you give me an example of how i call dh_desktop in a cdbs rules file? can I just pop it in at the end? or do I need more than that? [11:34] <\sh> Q-FUNK, it's not ;) it's unstable as ever ,) [11:35] \sh: the UI makes more sense overall. that the code is crap and that the UI still does stupid things like stealing focus is true, thoguh. :) === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:37] <\sh> Q-FUNK, the problem is not the ui, it's also not the code..it's the system...you need more updates to the plugins for the propietary IM systems [11:38] jussi01: http://pastebin.ca/513535 is the rule fragment I used in freqtweak. [11:39] \sh: I suppose that separating e.g. msn support into its own library might help. [11:39] thanks persia :d [11:39] <\sh> Q-FUNK, it won't help, because you are depending on the msn protocol...and it's changing a lot..for users it's easier to have it on the server, just like jabber is doing it... === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:42] \sh: yes it would help. it can be maintianed separately. [11:42] \sh: and yes, the UI has issues. that old MSN UI has ot go. === jussi01 pokes persia [11:53] jussi01: About? [11:55] persia: are you certain about the -dev part of python-all ? I was told yesterday to drop it.... === stijn_pol [n=stijn@d54C18E1E.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:59] jussi01: does it have python-modules which need to be compiled (gcc) for the specific python version? [11:59] Is Sebastien Bacher around? [11:59] jussi01: I was just following my memory of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy which says "You will have to Build-Depend on "python-all-dev (>= 2.3.5-11)", but apparently I'm wrong, in that this is only required when you provide public extensions. Sorry about that. [11:59] geser: No. It's just a python program. [11:59] than python-all should be enough [12:00] ok, great! :D === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:01] stijn_pol: he's seb128 in #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-desktop but he isn't there right now. [12:02] geser: Thanks. === persia reads python policy again. === jussi01 is heading out to take the dog for a walk, see you all later === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:11] persia: reviewing mnemosyne ? [12:11] Lutin: Apparently badly :) [12:13] persia: lol. don't know if you've dais it already, but yesterday I noticed that the binary package was arch:any instead of all [12:14] err. said === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Ubuntu-motu [12:15] humm no, still there. jussi01 : please read above :) [12:16] Lutin: Thanks for pointing that out. I suspect jussi01 will update to "all" in the next upload :) [12:18] Are we supposed to have a contrib section? If not, how should a package be moved from contrib to multiverse? Is it just the control file, or does it require conspiracy with the archive admins? [12:18] persia: Don't touch control. Keep in mind the autosyncer rips from Debian main to Ubuntu universe. [12:19] persia: btw, I admit I'm a bit uncomfortable with all the modules being public, as as far as I can understand from the website, it's not designed to be used by other applications. don't know if that really matters or not. maybe not :) [12:19] StevenK: OK. What about ifeffit? It's the only contrib/ package I've seen (with only gutsy sources). [12:20] persia: If you're unsure, collar an -archive person in -devel. === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:21] Lutin: That doesn't sound good either :) I'll take another look. I should really learn python one of these days :) [12:21] StevenK: Thanks. I'll ask about it during the week (CET). [12:22] persia: I can't even code one line in python [12:22] Lutin: #!/usr/bin/python [12:22] Lutin: There, you know one line. [12:22] Oh I know, "import os" :-P [12:23] Lutin: Ah. I've patched python source (it's really readable), but don't know anything about it, which makes it hard to package / review packages using python. [12:23] StevenK: true :) [12:23] persia: yep. besides we the python policy is not that clear one some points [12:23] on* [12:24] Lutin: Nope :) [12:26] hmm..what's that kernel thing on -devel-discuss Oo === gizmo [n=gizmo@xdsl-84-44-240-159.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] persia: I've filed a bug to get a "contrib" package moved from universe to multiverse. Let's see how it works out. [12:44] geser: Would you mind pasting the bug number? [12:44] geser: Which? [12:45] bug #116851 [12:45] Launchpad bug 116851 in sixpack "Move sixpack from universe to multiverse due to dependencies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116851 [12:45] sixpack depends on ifeffit which is in contrib in Debian and in multiverse in Ubuntu [12:45] geser: That looks like a real bug. Mine is more an oddity in the imports - nothing should be "contrib". I suspect yours should be processed fine. [12:46] geser: Odd. I wonder why aptitude reports ifeffit in contrib: apt-cache madison says the right thing. === Lure [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sindwiller [n=sindwill@84-75-101-114.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU === bluekuja [n=andy@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RainCT [n=RainCT@212.166.255.181] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] Hi [12:58] RainCT: Hi. [12:59] persia, :) [12:59] persia: I did the debdiff for qt4-designer :), have you seen it? [12:59] RainCT: No, sorry. Which bug? [01:01] persia: #117045 u don't need to look at it if you don't wan't (LaserJock, Fujitsu and geser already reviewed it) [01:02] RainCT: I'd be happy to look at it, but if those three have already reviewed it, it must be perfect by now :) [01:02] RainCT: Thanks a lot for taking the trouble to make a patch for it. [01:05] persia: np, happy that I can help [01:07] I've found another one without icon, but it has no debian/*.install file, can I edit the debian/rules instead? === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] RainCT: If there is a call to dh_install in debian/rules, you can add a install file. If not, yes, you can put it in debian/rules. It probably belongs in the install rule. [01:10] persia: yes, but it's commented [01:11] RainCT: The easiest thing is probably to uncomment it and use an install file then. [01:12] it's at bottom, after "# Build architecture-dependent files here." "binary-arch: build install" (many dh_* entries, dh_install is there) [01:12] is it correct there or should it be after install: build ? [01:13] RainCT: That's probably a fine place for it. [01:18] ok, should I let the Encoding=UTF-8 on the .desktop or remove that? [01:21] RainCT: Your choice. Until someone (does last person to touch apply) updates desktop-file-validate, you'll get an error if you don't, and you'll violate the spec if you do. [01:26] how can I tell dch that gutsy exists? (it's showing a warning every time saying it doesn't) [01:29] sorry to bother, but I have forgotten the source unpackaging code [01:30] something like -x *.dsc [01:30] cant remember it all though [01:30] sacater: dpkg-source -x *.dsc i think [01:30] RainCT: dch -D gutsy -i [01:30] RainCT: thats the one, thanks [01:31] persia: yes know that, but it says each time "dch warning: Recognised distributions are: [...] " === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:33] RainCT: dch is just trying to protect you. You'd have to edit the program directly to fix it, and there's little help if you make a mistake :) [01:34] ok [01:34] debuild -S isn't working [01:34] !doesnt work [01:34] Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too. [01:34] it says there are changes that can't be represented [01:34] Hobbsee: XDDD [01:34] you modified things outside the debian/ directory? === Hobbsee loves that factoid... [01:35] no [01:35] RainCT: Did you include a binary file (.png)? [01:35] dpkg-source: cannot represent change to debian/flobopuyo.png: binary file contents changed [01:35] yes :p === jussi01 comes back from walking the dog.... [01:36] nice factoid Hobbsee :d [01:36] wasnt mine :) [01:36] (the .xpm looks _really_ ugly) [01:37] RainCT: You cannot use a binary file. If you want to include a PNG file, it's best to send it upstream. If you really want to put it in debian/, you need to uuencode it, and uudecode during the build. [01:37] RainCT: Gimp allows you to edit XPM. You can make it as pretty as 8-bit 32x32 icons can be :) [01:37] persia: how can I do this? [01:37] (uuencode/uudecode) [01:40] RainCT: Make sure you have the sharutils package installed. `man uuencode` (or uudecode) for usage instructions. Put the uudecode statement in debian/rules previous to the installation commands (but in the same rule). === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] persia: where? after "install: build"? === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gizmo [n=gizmo@xdsl-84-44-187-149.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Martinp23 [n=Martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:49] RainCT: At this point, I actually need to know which package you're looking at. There are some standard arrangements for debian/rules, but each package has idiosyncrasies. [01:51] persia: http://pastebin.ca/513728 [01:51] RainCT: That's even better. Thanks. [01:53] RainCT: For that rules file, I'd probably put it between lines 23 and 24, but there's also an argument for putting it exactly where you did. It really depends on whether you consider the unpacking to be part of the package build or part of the package install. === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:54] persia: are .desktop files placed during build or install? [01:55] RainCT: They should be installed during install. If you are generating them automatically (not preferred, much as converting from .png to .xpm automatically is not preferred), then it's generally build. === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:59] persia: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flobopuyo/+bug/117156 [01:59] Launchpad bug 117156 in flobopuyo "Flobopuyo has no icon for the .desktop file" [Undecided,In progress] === jussi01 uploads a new version... [02:00] RainCT: jussi01Looking is queued :) [02:04] persia: and this means..? is he uploading the new version? [02:05] no... I meant of mnemosyne... to revu...just bad timing... [02:05] :P [02:05] RainCT: It means that I've added looking at it to my queue. Should be a few minutes, but in the worst case as many as 15. [02:05] hehe [02:05] :D [02:05] ah ok :p === aplg [n=me@N791P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.41] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tudenbart [n=willi@xdsl-87-78-54-136.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tudenbart is now known as dothebart [02:16] if someone got a minute, please http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5294 [02:16] thanks [02:21] in what package is destkop-file-validate? [02:21] RainCT: usually you'll find it with dpkg -S [02:22] !find desktop-file-validate [02:22] File desktop-file-validate found in desktop-file-utils [02:22] that too [02:22] which assumes the bot is alive [02:23] It sometimes is. [02:23] RainCT: http://pastebin.ca/513765 [02:24] persia: 2. isn't it already there? [02:25] RainCT: Not in the debdiff :) If it's in the package, then you don't need to change it. [02:26] 4. there is Icon=flobopuyo on the .desktop [02:26] RainCT: Also, none of those comments necessarily blocks the upload, they're just comments. If you want to change, upload a new debdiff. If you don't that works too. [02:27] RainCT: There is often also a debian/menu or debian/package.menu file, and it's nice to put icons there as well. They end up in the Debian menu if you install (I think) xdg-utils. [02:28] ok [02:28] 5. there is no dirs file? [02:30] jussi01: It looks ok to me, but as I said before, I can't build anything right now. I'll push it through the process as soon as I resolve that. [02:32] RainCT: Sorry. I didn't look closely enough. You'll want to add another mkdir line after line 40 of debian/rules for the pixmaps directory. [02:34] persia: like this one? mkdir -p $(CURDIR)/debian/flobopuyo/usr/share/pixmaps === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-19-32.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:35] RainCT: Right. As much as you can, you want to mirror the current style and commands of any debian/rules file you edit. [02:37] persia: 1. (debuild doesn't work without it) [02:38] whether our people actually do or not, when going for motu, is an interesting question [02:38] bah, wrong channel [02:38] RainCT: OK. If your GPG key is set like that, you need to use the address :) === bmm [n=chatzill@cc400801-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:41] persia: uploaded [02:42] RainCT: And it's in the sponsorship queue. If noone else hits it before I pass though this evening, I'll upload it. Thanks again. [02:42] persia: ok, thank you [02:45] persia: is there any way I can make a .deb to try it? [02:46] I've just uploaded another version of ccbuild http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5295 into REVU and I'm looking for either something to change or my first advocate. Thanks in advance! [02:46] RainCT: Look for the links to pbuilder or sbuild in the MOTU/Contributing doc in the topic. [02:46]