| DaSkreech | ok | 12:21 |
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| fdoving | nite | 12:32 |
| DaSkreech | night | 12:32 |
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| DaSkreech | mhb, ryanakca: ping anyone use KDE4? | 12:38 |
| ryanakca | DaSkreech: not actively | 12:39 |
| ryanakca | DaSkreech: why? I have it installed... | 12:39 |
| DaSkreech | They redid the menu to F.d.o | 12:40 |
| DaSkreech | I'm rading annma's blog | 12:40 |
| DaSkreech | reading | 12:40 |
| ryanakca | F.d.o? link? | 12:40 |
| DaSkreech | http://annma.blogspot.com/2007/05/fantastic-place.html | 12:41 |
| ryanakca | cool | 12:43 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah | 12:44 |
| DaSkreech | Don't think it helps with the System Settings argument now that I think about it though :-) | 12:45 |
| DaSkreech | when is the next kubuntu-meeting ? | 12:54 |
| giangy | DaSkreech: 31/05 | 12:55 |
| DaSkreech | ok | 12:55 |
| giangy | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | 12:55 |
| giangy | (30th 21:00 UTC..) | 12:56 |
| DaSkreech | Oh that's wikied :0 | 12:56 |
| marseillai_ | if i've well understad it will have to be change | 12:58 |
| marseillai_ | xubuntu guy are allready in u-meeting at this time | 12:59 |
| marseillai_ | fdoving: still there ? | 01:01 |
| marseillai_ | good night | 01:08 |
| DaSkreech | Night | 01:09 |
| nixternal | hey, you guys see the BasKet dev quit? no more development work w/o any new devs | 01:30 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: what? | 01:30 |
| nixternal | kde-apps | 01:30 |
| nixternal | the latest basket update has a changelog, read it | 01:31 |
| === DaSkreech goes into a run-around-in-circles-panic | ||
| nixternal | http://basket.kde.org/news.php | 01:31 |
| nixternal | there you go | 01:31 |
| === nixternal waits | ||
| === DaSkreech gets dizzy and falls down | ||
| nixternal | lol | 01:33 |
| ryanakca | eeegad! | 01:37 |
| DaSkreech | that sucketh | 01:38 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: well, you're relearning C++, and you have a knowledge of Qt, don't you? | 01:38 |
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| nixternal | ryanakca: I have no clue what you are talking about | 01:39 |
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| ryanakca | hehehehe | 01:39 |
| nixternal | haha | 01:39 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: who does basket? | 01:50 |
| nixternal | you do now! | 01:50 |
| nixternal | I sent them an email on your behalf | 01:50 |
| nixternal | I really don't know who does it | 01:50 |
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| n8k99 | DaSkreech: do you mean upstream or in Kubunt? | 02:12 |
| DaSkreech | upstream | 02:15 |
| n8k99 | help> about basket | 02:16 |
| DaSkreech | in vista | 02:17 |
| n8k99 | ah ha! | 02:17 |
| n8k99 | hang on | 02:17 |
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| ace_ | <ace_> Multihead question... | 02:18 |
| ace_ | [20:17] <ace_> I was used in kubuntu dapper. when I click on an application to open it, and move the mouse to a certain screen | 02:18 |
| ace_ | [20:17] <ace_> (I have 3) | 02:18 |
| ace_ | [20:17] <ace_> that the application would open in that screen, it seems with Feisty, that feature is lost. | 02:18 |
| ace_ | [20:17] <ace_> Any comments ? | 02:18 |
| n8k99 | DaSkreech: Sebastien Laout is the author | 02:19 |
| n8k99 | slaout@linux62.org | 02:19 |
| DaSkreech | thanks | 02:22 |
| n8k99 | your welcome | 02:23 |
| DaSkreech | your'e | 02:30 |
| DaSkreech | :-) | 02:30 |
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| ace_ | my question is already answered on #kde | 03:08 |
| ace_ | thanx, see ya later! | 03:09 |
| DaSkreech | bye | 03:09 |
| DaSkreech | What was it? | 03:09 |
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| Hobbsee | morning all! | 03:31 |
| jjesse | evening Hobbsee | 03:32 |
| Jucato | moin Hobbsee!!! | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 03:32 |
| DaSkreech | hi Hobbsee | 03:37 |
| Hobbsee | heya | 03:37 |
| Hobbsee | aww, basket dev is retiring | 03:37 |
| DaSkreech | Hi Jucato | 03:37 |
| n8k99 | its morning over there already?!? | 03:37 |
| Jucato | ey hi DaSkreech | 03:37 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: wha? and they just released 1.0.2 :( | 03:37 |
| jjesse | @time sydney | 03:37 |
| ubotu | Current time in Australia/Sydney: May 28 2007, 11:37:59 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 1 day | 03:37 |
| === Jucato wonders where Hobbsee got the news :( | ||
| DaSkreech | Jucato: yeah | 03:38 |
| DaSkreech | httphttp://basket.kde.org/news.php | 03:38 |
| DaSkreech | http://basket.kde.org/news.php | 03:38 |
| Jucato | still no news from Mez? | 03:38 |
| DaSkreech | Nope | 03:38 |
| DaSkreech | I'm pondering mailing him | 03:39 |
| Jucato | eeek... poor basket :( | 03:39 |
| DaSkreech | he doesn't normally vanish for over a week | 03:39 |
| === Jucato also wonders what happened to Mez.... | ||
| Hobbsee | Jucato: basket rss feed | 03:39 |
| Jucato | just when I was getting curious about the results of the basket usability studies :( | 03:40 |
| DaSkreech | #kde was thinking that maybe it can be redone as a plasmoid | 03:40 |
| DaSkreech | #plasma was thinking more of turning it to a dataengine | 03:40 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: Well they are there | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | sounds interesting | 03:41 |
| DaSkreech | He's setting up a grea tstage for the work to continue | 03:41 |
| Jucato | basket? isn't it a bit too big to be a plasmoid/dataengine? hm... | 03:41 |
| Jucato | oh well... I wish them the best... it's the only thing I can do right now :) | 03:42 |
| jjesse | bummer i thought basket was great, but havne't used too much of it in a long time | 03:42 |
| Jucato | it's becoming one of the KDE killer apps I think... but still missing some features for me personally, and a bit "big". but it's cool :) | 03:42 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: both were thinking of refactoring | 03:43 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: We should have a list of KDE killer apps :0 | 03:43 |
| jjesse | katapult | 03:44 |
| DaSkreech | which remonds me | 03:44 |
| Jucato | yeah!! :) | 03:44 |
| DaSkreech | how long has qtparted been dead? | 03:44 |
| Jucato | katapult is one of my killer apps :) | 03:44 |
| jjesse | by far my best used and most missed app back when iu'm in windows | 03:44 |
| RadiantFire | basket is great now that it can save/backup | 03:44 |
| Jucato | jjesse: might want to take a look at Launchy | 03:45 |
| DaSkreech | RadiantFire: well danny is going to mention it in the commit digest tomorrow | 03:45 |
| DaSkreech | I'm thinking about making a section on the wiki to help organize it | 03:46 |
| Jucato | jjesse: http://www.launchy.net/ | 03:46 |
| DaSkreech | So we can put all our eggs in it | 03:46 |
| DaSkreech | ... | 03:46 |
| DaSkreech | I apologize :-( | 03:46 |
| jjesse | Jucato: thanks i will | 03:46 |
| Jucato | in someways, it's a bit better than Katapult :P | 03:46 |
| Jucato | woot they're planning note connectors for basket, ala kdissert!! I've been wanting this :( | 03:49 |
| DaSkreech | can't be | 03:50 |
| jjesse | can they make it a replace of one note? | 03:50 |
| Jucato | can't be what? | 03:50 |
| Jucato | jjesse: maybe even better. maybe... | 03:50 |
| DaSkreech | Better | 03:51 |
| DaSkreech | katapult is open source | 03:51 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: read the link. Launchy is too | 03:51 |
| Jucato | except that it's only on Windows | 03:51 |
| DaSkreech | How did I miss that? :-) | 03:51 |
| Jucato | katapult zealotry :P | 03:52 |
| Jucato | Mez knows about Launchy as well. one of the apps he took a look at | 03:52 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: I can tell you one thing that makes Launchy better than Katapult. Like Quicksilver, it displays multiple hits | 03:53 |
| DaSkreech | Well Yeah Katapult is a clone :) | 03:53 |
| jjesse | i just wish basket could replace one note | 03:53 |
| jjesse | that product is sweeeeeeet | 03:54 |
| DaSkreech | I'm torn though | 03:54 |
| DaSkreech | Course this is a convo for #katapult | 03:54 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: it's a clone-in-progress | 03:54 |
| DaSkreech | What does one note do? | 03:54 |
| jjesse | in one note i can create tasks, appointments, etc and link right to outlook along w/ creating notebooks to better organize my thoughts | 03:54 |
| jjesse | also i can use handwriting when i'm on a tablet for one note | 03:55 |
| === n8k99 plays a one-note samba! | ||
| Jucato | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneNote | 03:55 |
| jjesse | and the desktop search can search both handwritten and text | 03:55 |
| Jucato | basket is mentioned as an alternative :) | 03:55 |
| n8k99 | but i want my handwriting!!1one | 03:55 |
| Jucato | oh btw, compared to OneNote, I don't think Basket is quite good at handling loooong text | 03:55 |
| Jucato | there's a noticeable delay/lag when typing in long text | 03:56 |
| jjesse | as an alternative butg i could never get it to work well enough to replace one note | 03:56 |
| DaSkreech | jjesse: well making basket a dataengine for plasma might help that | 04:02 |
| === jjesse is confused by dataengine and plasma | ||
| nixternal | jjesse: you see ryanakca's point on switching to bzr? | 04:03 |
| nixternal | I would like to separate the projects truthfully | 04:03 |
| jjesse | nixternal: who wouldn't | 04:03 |
| jjesse | whhy do you think i seperated adept docs | 04:03 |
| DaSkreech | how confused? | 04:03 |
| jjesse | DaSkreech: i guess i don't quite understand the terms plasma and dataengine and how it would make things better | 04:04 |
| Jucato | dataengine = a backend that can be used as a source for plasmoids | 04:04 |
| Jucato | slightly analogous to meters in superkaramba I guess | 04:04 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: ping me when you get to look at that KMail howto... | 04:05 |
| === ryanakca --> Zzzz | ||
| nixternal | roger | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | yay, kmail | 04:06 |
| ryanakca | lol | 04:07 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KMailGPGAgent ... I just have to fix the second script | 04:07 |
| ryanakca | it isn't displaying properly | 04:08 |
| === Jucato sets a cronjob to repeatedly ping ryanakca every 5 mins for no reason... | ||
| === ryanakca sets Jucato on /ignore | ||
| ryanakca | :P | 04:08 |
| Jucato | smart :) | 04:08 |
| DaSkreech | jjesse: Yeah Plasma is a Pillar of KDE4 :) | 04:11 |
| DaSkreech | it runs on dataengines | 04:11 |
| jjesse | oh yeah | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | wow, pinentry is cool! | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: btw, it's gnupg-agent | 04:13 |
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| Jucato | hm.. where does ubotu get it's package info factoid? just want to correct one (QT instead of Qt :P) | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | packages.ubuntu.com i think | 04:26 |
| Jucato | ah ok.. hehe I'm a bit picky :P | 04:27 |
| Jucato | http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/x11/qtparted :D | 04:27 |
| DaSkreech | Probably packages.ubuntu.com | 04:27 |
| crimsun | which in turn is dictated by the description(s) in each source package's debian/control | 04:28 |
| crimsun | that's ultimately where the fix should be made | 04:28 |
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| Jucato | ah | 04:32 |
| Jucato | oh well, just a minor typo I noticed. no big deal. :) | 04:32 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: ha ha derefrencing anyone? | 04:32 |
| Jucato | trying to dereference my brain... *brain seems to yield NULL :/ | 04:33 |
| DaSkreech | On deref too many | 04:35 |
| DaSkreech | Ctrl=Z Ctrl+Z!! | 04:35 |
| Jucato | put it into the background? O.o | 04:36 |
| DaSkreech | Ha ha :) GUI vs CLI round 45 Fight! | 04:37 |
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| RadiantFire | anybody out there? | 05:50 |
| nixternal | nope | 05:50 |
| RadiantFire | that was miraculously unhelpful | 05:50 |
| nixternal | lol | 05:51 |
| RadiantFire | because now I know that noone is out there | 05:51 |
| nixternal | hahahaha | 05:51 |
| crimsun | ask a miraculously unhelpful question, get a miraculously unhelpful answer. | 05:51 |
| nixternal | crimsun: but if you ask me any type of question, more than likely you will get that miraculously unhelpful answer ;p | 05:51 |
| Jucato | and start a miraculously unhelpful conversation :) | 05:52 |
| RadiantFire | anyway, i got bored and decided I would play with kdebase, and I managed to do something that might be useful with the kdesu dialog, I took a screenshot, its at http://home.comcast.net/~dzeigler7/kdesu_modification.png | 05:52 |
| RadiantFire | i was wondering if this would be considered worthwhile, and if so, who should I contact? | 05:52 |
| Jucato | hm.. mhb has done something similar, but without removing the "Command" field which Riddell would like to keep | 05:52 |
| nixternal | looks good | 05:52 |
| === Jucato goes check logs | ||
| Jucato | RadiantFire: from mhb http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thenewupdaterjo1.png | 05:54 |
| Jucato | RadiantFire: you should probably contact mhb since he's interested in the same thing. | 05:55 |
| Jucato | just my guess :) | 05:55 |
| RadiantFire | that would make sens | 05:56 |
| Hobbsee | wow, taht's nice! | 05:57 |
| RadiantFire | his seems shineyer | 05:59 |
| RadiantFire | I shall make contact with him when he returns | 05:59 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: does the command field have parameters on it? | 05:59 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: depends on the app being launched I guess | 05:59 |
| DaSkreech | yeah | 06:00 |
| DaSkreech | well I'm off to bed | 06:00 |
| n8k99 | purdy | 06:00 |
| === Jucato is off to lunch | ||
| === n8k99 is off his rocker | ||
| === DaSkreech throws a pillow in the rocker and catches a nap | ||
| === Jucato throws the rocker :) | ||
| === Jucato throws the rocker... with DaSkreech in it, of course :P | ||
| DaSkreech | YOU WERE GOIng off to lu..... | 06:02 |
| RadiantFire | that would be somewhat heavy | 06:02 |
| Jucato | adrenaline :) | 06:02 |
| DaSkreech | *distant splosh sound* | 06:02 |
| Jucato | ok really gone :) | 06:02 |
| RadiantFire | i hate jetlag | 06:03 |
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| giangy | 'morning | 06:47 |
| RadiantFire | good morning | 06:49 |
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| _marseillais | hi | 08:53 |
| Hobbsee | heya | 08:54 |
| _marseillais | morning Hobbsee | 08:55 |
| _marseillais | it's allready afternoon for you no ? | 08:55 |
| Hobbsee | almost 5pm | 08:55 |
| Hobbsee | which means i need to be at work soon | 08:55 |
| === Jucato wonders what this "thing" called "work" is... | ||
| Hobbsee | Jucato: it's a place where i tell people to get off the phone to their friends, etc. | 08:56 |
| Jucato | hehe bossy Hobbsee :) | 08:56 |
| Jucato | oooh they rhyme!! | 08:56 |
| Hobbsee | and explain to them what "incompetence" means | 08:56 |
| Hobbsee | kinda. but if you're being paid to do a task, then that means that you should...y'know...actually...do it? | 08:57 |
| Jucato | exactly! | 08:57 |
| === Jucato loves not being paid to do a task he doesn't want... yet... | ||
| Hobbsee | not be on the phone to your friends, etc | 08:57 |
| === _marseillais is in trainee | ||
| Hobbsee | and be responsible - if you eat some crappy highly-processed food, put it in the horrible microwave, it's probably going to give you a stomach ache, yes. | 08:58 |
| _marseillais | is not payed and he has to work more that anyone in this desk | 08:58 |
| Jucato | lol | 08:58 |
| Jucato | _marseillais: ah that's even worse than not working at all :/ | 08:58 |
| Hobbsee | therefore, i wont be terribly sympathetic when you complain, dont wish to do you work, and want to go home | 08:58 |
| Hobbsee | yeah :( ugh | 08:58 |
| _marseillais | and i can't say them what is incompetence | 08:58 |
| Hobbsee | i probably shouldnt | 08:59 |
| Hobbsee | but you have to say *something* when they do something really really stupid. | 08:59 |
| _marseillais | Hobbsee, i've tried and give up after two months | 08:59 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 08:59 |
| Hobbsee | i suspect it's the boss' right. | 09:00 |
| _marseillais | nows i do my work, nothing more, and apply to job offer | 09:00 |
| _marseillais | looks for a job | 09:00 |
| Hobbsee | not that i can tell my boss that he's throwing a tantrum like a 3 year old, or something. | 09:00 |
| Hobbsee | heh, yep | 09:00 |
| === _marseillais looks in open source if possible | ||
| Hobbsee | meh. jobs | 09:02 |
| === Hobbsee has the problem that she's at uni for most of the australian working week. | ||
| Hobbsee | just due to the course load | 09:02 |
| Hobbsee | whereas i can do kubuntu stuff at any time - the odd hours are better | 09:02 |
| === Hobbsee --> work | ||
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| jonasp | Hey, when doing a kernel update wouldn't it be usefull for a normal user to get a message telling him that the update will not be finished until he reboots his computer? | 10:18 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: no FDL for kubuntu docs now? | 11:43 |
| fdoving | jonasp: yes, ubuntu does that. it is usefull, then also have an icon sitting in the systray reminding the user. | 11:53 |
| Riddell | jonasp: it's part of this spec https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyAdept | 11:54 |
| Riddell | "Implement the upgrade hooks described in [WWW] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InteractiveUpgradeHooks in adept_notifier." | 11:54 |
| jonasp | fdoving, Riddell: okay, that's nice. | 11:54 |
| Riddell | jonasp: volunteers to implement it welcome :) | 11:55 |
| _marseillais | boh! | 12:03 |
| _marseillais | why creating my homepage on wiki.kubuntu.org send an email to several people? | 12:04 |
| gnomefreak | dont kernel updates do that already? | 12:05 |
| fdoving | _marseillais: they subscribe to all changes to the wiki. | 12:07 |
| fdoving | gnomefreak: only in gnome. | 12:07 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 12:07 |
| gnomefreak | i thought there was a restart notifier in the kicker for some reason | 12:08 |
| fdoving | might be, but it's the gnome-one. | 12:08 |
| gnomefreak | i see | 12:08 |
| jonasp | When are the hooks created? During the upgrade process of a certain package? | 12:09 |
| fdoving | yes. | 12:10 |
| fdoving | that's how i understand https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InteractiveUpgradeHooks | 12:11 |
| jonasp | so the hook files are created on kubuntu, too? | 12:12 |
| fdoving | yes, should be. | 12:12 |
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| fdoving | not sure what checks are used before creating them.. but yeah. | 12:13 |
| jonasp | okay so the directory "/var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/" would be the one to use for even for kubuntu | 12:13 |
| jonasp | -for | 12:14 |
| fdoving | it would be wise to use the same directories and hooks, that way we don't need all maintainers to add support for our way of doing this. | 12:15 |
| fdoving | which reminds me, we should somehow make our /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ configs not override the ubuntu ones, rather change them. diverting the ubuntu files out of the way with our update-notifier package. | 12:17 |
| jonasp | Okay, looks like i.e. utf8-migration-tool creates a hook-file in "/var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/". But I don't get how kernel updates do that. | 12:23 |
| Riddell | in their postinst script? | 12:24 |
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| jonasp | I'm not that familiar with packages and their installation. Could you point to some information I could read? | 12:33 |
| fdoving | jonasp: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html | 12:33 |
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| kristina | hi, where do I find the gpg key for the kde4packages? | 12:49 |
| Riddell | kristina: if I signed them it'll be from the same place as my key for kde 3 packages http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php | 12:51 |
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| kristina | Riddel: got it, tnx | 12:54 |
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| marseillai | jonasp: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ is a good start | 01:02 |
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| marseillai | Riddell: thanks for your revu and sorry for missing the patch name in changelog | 01:28 |
| Riddell | it's just a personal preference of mine | 01:28 |
| marseillai | and i agree with it | 01:30 |
| marseillai | just i forgot | 01:30 |
| marseillai | :$ | 01:30 |
| marseillai | Riddell: anyway thanks :) | 01:30 |
| marseillai | and since two days i use it it's really a nice feature | 01:30 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 02:45 |
| \sh | hey Hobbsee | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 02:45 |
| RadiantFire | hmmm | 02:49 |
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| Hobbsee | !logs | 03:04 |
| ubotu | Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | 03:04 |
| _marseillais | Hobbsee, you don't know what to do? you are in an annoying moment ? | 03:18 |
| _marseillais | :p | 03:18 |
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| Hobbsee | _marseillais: sorry? | 03:18 |
| _marseillais | Hobbsee, no just to see if you have time and if you are looking for something to revu | 03:19 |
| _marseillais | :) | 03:19 |
| _marseillais | allready one advocate | 03:19 |
| _marseillais | in case of : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5305 | 03:19 |
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| Hobbsee | Jucato: i'm perfectly calm | 03:24 |
| Jucato | ok, that's good :) | 03:24 |
| RadiantFire | heh | 03:26 |
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| Jucato | wb Hobbsee_ | 03:43 |
| Hobbsee | ty | 03:44 |
| Hobbsee | stupid ISP | 03:45 |
| RadiantFire | :-( | 03:45 |
| RadiantFire | that happens to me too alot | 03:46 |
| Jucato | there was a netsplit too... :/ | 03:48 |
| RadiantFire | lovely | 03:48 |
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| Jucato | see you on thursday/friday :) | 03:59 |
| RadiantFire | Jucato: still there? | 04:01 |
| Jucato | hm? | 04:01 |
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| RadiantFire | just wondering if you happened to know mhb's e-mail address. it would seem better than idling on the off chance he comes back | 04:01 |
| Hobbsee | RadiantFire: launchpad will | 04:03 |
| marseillai | Jucato, it's not a muto apply isn't it ??? | 04:04 |
| marseillai | just kubuntu-member | 04:04 |
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| RadiantFire | launchpad was miraculously unhelpful | 04:05 |
| marseillai | apacheLAGger, there ? | 04:09 |
| manchicken | Finally, some hacking time. | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | RadiantFire: martin.bohm@kubuntu.org | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | RadiantFire: https://launchpad.net/~martin.bohm | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | RadiantFire: search was unhelpful, yes. | 04:11 |
| RadiantFire | i guess I searched for the wrong thing | 04:11 |
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| manchicken | Looks like there's a fat kernel update today. | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | RadiantFire: i looked up kubuntu-members and went thru there :) | 04:12 |
| RadiantFire | oh | 04:13 |
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| RadiantFire | thank you Hobbsee | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | no problem | 04:15 |
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| apacheLAGger | marseillai: ahoy! | 04:21 |
| marseillai | yop apacheLAGger | 04:21 |
| marseillai | yesterday i read your blog | 04:22 |
| marseillai | and saw you are working on maxemumtvguide | 04:22 |
| marseillai | apacheLAGger, but it's there http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5305 | 04:22 |
| apacheLAGger | marseillai: yeah, just noticed it today | 04:22 |
| marseillai | now i just need one more advocate | 04:23 |
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| apacheLAGger | ok | 04:26 |
| apacheLAGger | marseillai: control file description: QT is written Qt ... QT = QuickTime | 04:26 |
| apacheLAGger | plus | 04:26 |
| apacheLAGger | there is a library issue | 04:26 |
| apacheLAGger | which is why I didn't upload mtvg yet | 04:26 |
| marseillai | the librarie is lintian issue ? | 04:27 |
| apacheLAGger | by default it installs into /usr/lib, while it should go into /usr/lib/kde3 | 04:27 |
| marseillai | mmmmmmmmmmmm gpocentek and mr_pouit told me it's not a problem | 04:27 |
| apacheLAGger | ok | 04:27 |
| apacheLAGger | marseillai: please add a TODO to have a look at this for future versions | 04:27 |
| marseillai | but i can change it quite easily | 04:27 |
| apacheLAGger | I mailed upstream to update the admin dir | 04:27 |
| marseillai | oki no problem | 04:28 |
| apacheLAGger | marseillai: well, not by the most lovely way of changing the sources ;-) | 04:28 |
| apacheLAGger | that would need new makefiles | 04:28 |
| apacheLAGger | though the admin dir is THAT old that you can't create them | 04:28 |
| marseillai | apacheLAGger, patching makefile should do the thing | 04:28 |
| marseillai | i've done it for smplayer | 04:28 |
| apacheLAGger | yes, but not with such an old admin dir | 04:28 |
| marseillai | apacheLAGger, with a patch! ;) | 04:28 |
| marseillai | oki | 04:28 |
| apacheLAGger | IIRC it doesn't even detect automake > 1.6 I think | 04:28 |
| apacheLAGger | really awkward thing | 04:29 |
| marseillai | but currently it works and motu seems to be happy with it | 04:29 |
| marseillai | so .... | 04:29 |
| apacheLAGger | yeah, just added a todo, advocation will not get lost ;-) | 04:30 |
| apacheLAGger | though if I was a motu you'd get one from me :) | 04:30 |
| apacheLAGger | nice work | 04:30 |
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| marseillai | thanks | 04:31 |
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| Arby | who looks after language-support in kubuntu? | 04:52 |
| Arby | and can they shed any light on bug 113145? | 04:52 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 113145 in language-support-fr "language-support-fr does not install on Feisty Fawn (7.04)." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113145 | 04:52 |
| Arby | I have confirmed the bug and it looks like something that should affect more people than it seemingly has. | 04:53 |
| marseillai | Arby, could you come to #kubuntu-fr some times ? | 04:59 |
| Arby | marseillai: you mean now? sure | 05:00 |
| Arby | I didn't even know there was a #kubuntu-fr | 05:00 |
| marseillai | now you know! :) | 05:00 |
| Arby | marseillai: I should warn you I don't speak french, I just tested the bug :) | 05:01 |
| marseillai | lollllll | 05:02 |
| Arby | have you heard of anyone else with that bug? | 05:03 |
| Arby | I'd expect it to affect a lot of people | 05:03 |
| Arby | I'm trying to triage it | 05:03 |
| marseillai | Arby, i'm every day in #kubuntu-fr and have never heard anyone complaining with this problem | 05:04 |
| marseillai | but i don't see everyone | 05:04 |
| Arby | marseillai: hmm, strange | 05:04 |
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| manchicken | OH HELL YEAH!!!! | 05:06 |
| manchicken | That kernel update fixed my sound card trouble! | 05:06 |
| Arby | I love it when that happens :) | 05:07 |
| manchicken | I hate when it breaks though. | 05:07 |
| Arby | yin to go with the yang :) | 05:07 |
| manchicken | Yeah, but it's all ATI's fault. | 05:08 |
| manchicken | They've got their own crappy codecs on a normal soundblaster chipset. | 05:08 |
| manchicken | atiixp wasn't really necessary. | 05:08 |
| manchicken | But it was necessary in order to try to lock the market into ATI :) | 05:09 |
| Arby | manchicken: do you have anything to do with adept? | 05:12 |
| manchicken | Sometimes :) | 05:12 |
| manchicken | Whenever it's good, not bad, that's me. | 05:12 |
| manchicken | heh | 05:12 |
| Arby | am I right in thinking bug 117345 is not actually a bug? | 05:13 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 117345 in adept "adept locks software database if it crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117345 | 05:13 |
| manchicken | Yeah. | 05:13 |
| manchicken | I would say so. | 05:13 |
| Arby | the database locking is intentional? | 05:13 |
| manchicken | I'd say we need to look into the crash, not the database lockup. | 05:13 |
| manchicken | If you start adept as root it locks the database. | 05:13 |
| Arby | what should I ask for infowise? | 05:13 |
| Arby | (about to do triage) | 05:14 |
| manchicken | Ask about the crash, not about the lock. | 05:14 |
| Arby | if I write a response will you take a look. | 05:14 |
| manchicken | I'm not sure how you release a lock if the OS forcibly kills the program :) | 05:14 |
| manchicken | Sure. | 05:14 |
| Arby | I have done it in the past | 05:15 |
| Arby | dpkg -reconfigure or something | 05:15 |
| Arby | need to look it up | 05:15 |
| manchicken | Yeah, unlocking is easy. | 05:15 |
| manchicken | But making adept release the lock when it crashes is damn-near impossible. | 05:15 |
| Arby | any suggestions? | 05:16 |
| manchicken | Yeah. We should figure out why it crashed and fix that. Tell folks to `dpkg -configure -a` whenever it crashes on them. | 05:16 |
| manchicken | (which it doesn't do that often in my experience) | 05:17 |
| manchicken | It may be a good idea to have a "one-click-fix" program for gutsy. With a bunch of shell scripts that will fix stuff. | 05:18 |
| Arby | agreed, I'm really quite a fan of adept most of the time :) | 05:18 |
| manchicken | I think that would make things so much nicer. | 05:18 |
| manchicken | Crikey, that's a good idea. | 05:18 |
| manchicken | I'm gonna put that on the meeting agenda. | 05:18 |
| Arby | I might come to this meeting then | 05:18 |
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| manchicken | That's such a good idea, I can't believe I thought of it. | 05:19 |
| Arby | :) | 05:19 |
| Arby | dpkg -configure -a <-- that's what I was looking for thanks | 05:19 |
| Arby | manchicken: does adept make logs anywhere? | 05:20 |
| manchicken | I mean, how many times do we have to tell new users who aren't comfortable with the command line to "just type this command" | 05:20 |
| Arby | too many | 05:20 |
| manchicken | Don't know. | 05:21 |
| manchicken | Don't think so. | 05:21 |
| manchicken | I've only worked mostly on the UI. | 05:21 |
| Arby | OK no worries | 05:22 |
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| manchicken | Howdy toma. | 05:31 |
| manchicken | Arby: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuOneClickFix | 05:32 |
| toma | hi all | 05:32 |
| Arby | manchicken: looking | 05:32 |
| manchicken | It's on the agenda for 2007.05.31. | 05:33 |
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| manchicken | I'm gonna go do dishes now. | 05:34 |
| Jucato | nice manchicken :) | 05:34 |
| DaSkreech | mannchicken: ping me when you get back | 05:36 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: even | 05:36 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: This is going to suck :( | 05:38 |
| Jucato | what is? | 05:38 |
| Arby | manchicken: anything you can add to that --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/117345 | 05:38 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 117345 in adept "adept locks software database if it crashes" [Undecided,Needs info] | 05:38 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: I gave my mom my computer for the week | 05:39 |
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| Jucato | wb Hobbsee | 05:39 |
| DaSkreech | well since last week | 05:39 |
| DaSkreech | Cause she needs Windows XP for a while | 05:39 |
| DaSkreech | So I get her laptop with Vista | 05:39 |
| DaSkreech | Which means I'm Live Cding it for a while | 05:39 |
| Jucato | oh... | 05:39 |
| DaSkreech | which means I'm gonna experiment and do a bunch of crazy stuff then get used to it | 05:40 |
| Jucato | hehe | 05:40 |
| DaSkreech | then go back to my old machine and miss all the new stuff :-( | 05:40 |
| Jucato | you can install Beryl or Compiz and you won't miss a thing | 05:40 |
| Arby | manchicken: nice idea with the OneClickFix btw | 05:41 |
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| DaSkreech | No I've decided I don't like Beryl/Compiz | 05:41 |
| DaSkreech | kwin_composite for me :) | 05:41 |
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| Hobbsee | ty | 05:42 |
| Arby | manchicken: although couldn't the adept use case be just a button that appears on the error message saying 'unlock database' | 05:42 |
| Arby | </my_two_cents> | 05:42 |
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| manchicken | Arby: I suppose we could go there, but the one-click fix thing I think also needs to be a central location for one-click fixes. | 06:04 |
| Arby | manchicken: fair enough, just a thought. | 06:04 |
| manchicken | Yeah. | 06:04 |
| manchicken | I don't want that idea to get lost in the adept realm. | 06:05 |
| Arby | I have no idea about the practicalities of actually doing it | 06:05 |
| Arby | if it could be generally applied that would be cool | 06:05 |
| manchicken | I also see the possibility of us having some small scripts there that would present users with GUIs. | 06:05 |
| manchicken | I would also think that every one-click fix would have some form of GUI. | 06:05 |
| Arby | 'Crash recovery interface' sort of thing | 06:06 |
| Arby | possibly with a short explanantion of what the button does | 06:06 |
| Arby | would that require re-writing some error messages (e.g. adept) to point the user to the OneClickfix for that error | 06:07 |
| Arby | ? | 06:07 |
| manchicken | Naw, more focusing on the specific problem. | 06:07 |
| Arby | OK, I'm just being curious :) | 06:08 |
| manchicken | Not a problem :) | 06:11 |
| manchicken | I'm basing this idea off of Comcast's one-click fix thingy. | 06:11 |
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| manchicken | They have several little screen that works like this. | 06:12 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: all docs are cc-by-sa :( | 06:17 |
| yuriy | hi, stupid question, how to add a toolbar in qt4 designer? | 06:22 |
| nixternal | yuriy: I found the only way to do it was to use the main window selection when you first started your project. otherwise you would create the title bar in code | 06:33 |
| nixternal | widgets and what not are not supposed to have titlebars from the looks of it | 06:33 |
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| nixternal | I was just wondering the same thing recently, then I looked at some code and realized they were adding the toolbar that way (ie via code) | 06:34 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: if you want to have the Kubuntu docs GPL, you would stand a better chance than I for getting it done...I made my stance with the whole issue and that I didn't like CC because all the docs I need to work with in KDE are GFDL... | 06:35 |
| nixternal | GFDL on the first line, not GPL | 06:36 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: ping | 06:36 |
| nixternal | plus I am in talks with Debian people and they would love to share docs with us as well, but they can't because our doc project is seen as non-free by them | 06:36 |
| manchicken | pong | 06:36 |
| nixternal | manchicken: ping? | 06:37 |
| nixternal | ;p | 06:37 |
| manchicken | DROPPED | 06:37 |
| nixternal | haha | 06:37 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: heard about the call for google to release their code? | 06:37 |
| manchicken | Which code | 06:37 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: link!!!! | 06:37 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: I would assume all of it | 06:37 |
| nixternal | Google != Open Source or Free Software...and that damn Chris NoBackbonah censored me at Flourish when I was owning him | 06:38 |
| yuriy | nixternal: toolbar not titlebar | 06:38 |
| nixternal | oh | 06:38 |
| manchicken | nixternal: What now? | 06:38 |
| nixternal | manchicken: nothing..why the hostility? | 06:38 |
| nixternal | you live to far for me to pee in your korn flakes ;p | 06:38 |
| DaSkreech | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070525-gpl-3-author-wants-companies-like-google-to-open-up-internal-use-patches.html | 06:39 |
| manchicken | What now? | 06:39 |
| DaSkreech | wondering if you had any thoughts on it | 06:40 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: Who said that google == Open source ? | 06:40 |
| nixternal | Chris DiBona | 06:40 |
| manchicken | I really hope Moglen shuts the hell up on that one. | 06:41 |
| manchicken | Nice. | 06:42 |
| manchicken | Google != Open source && Google == A_COMPANY :) | 06:43 |
| nixternal | a damn big company :) | 06:43 |
| DaSkreech | With cooks! | 06:43 |
| nixternal | I just wish their headhunters would leave me alone already | 06:43 |
| manchicken | google.com != proprietary && GoogleEarth == proprietary | 06:43 |
| nixternal | and stale twix bars | 06:43 |
| DaSkreech | anyone else notice it's near lunch time? | 06:43 |
| nixternal | manchicken: you buying us lunch? | 06:43 |
| manchicken | I happen to think that Google is more bad than good, but they do put out some free software. | 06:44 |
| manchicken | nixternal: If you give me the money, I'll buy it. | 06:44 |
| nixternal | i.e. MySQL and Apach gets a lot of love | 06:44 |
| DaSkreech | well they encourage free software | 06:44 |
| nixternal | manchicken: deal! | 06:44 |
| nixternal | oh wait | 06:44 |
| DaSkreech | which is good | 06:44 |
| nixternal | that means I am buying lunch ;) | 06:44 |
| nixternal | I buy, you fly! | 06:44 |
| manchicken | No, it only means you're paying for lunch. | 06:44 |
| nixternal | true | 06:45 |
| manchicken | nixternal: We should carpool to Boston in November :) | 06:45 |
| nixternal | oh lord, that would be one hell of a drive | 06:45 |
| manchicken | Two days. | 06:45 |
| nixternal | do we cut through canada, or do we stay in the states? | 06:45 |
| nixternal | 1 day | 06:45 |
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| manchicken | 13 hours by my estimate. | 06:45 |
| nixternal | 1 day :) | 06:46 |
| manchicken | Stop over in Ohio or something. | 06:46 |
| nixternal | 13 hours? | 06:46 |
| nixternal | I thought it was longer | 06:46 |
| yuriy | it's like a 10 hour trip to ohio.. | 06:46 |
| manchicken | Yeah. It may be a bad estimate. | 06:46 |
| manchicken | Naw, its only like 6-7 hours to Ohio. | 06:46 |
| nixternal | it is 10-12 hrs to DC for me from Chicago | 06:46 |
| manchicken | And I'm talking Columbus, OH. | 06:46 |
| marseillai | grrrrrrrrrr | 06:46 |
| nixternal | that is about right | 06:46 |
| marseillai | i reboot my desktop | 06:46 |
| yuriy | manchicken: it's 6-7 hours to some places in NY | 06:46 |
| marseillai | and apt-get not found | 06:46 |
| nixternal | ouch | 06:46 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: what did you say to Chris? | 06:46 |
| marseillai | it doesn't boot! :s | 06:46 |
| yuriy | ^^ toolbar in qt designer? | 06:47 |
| Arby | marseillai: several people seem to be having boot problems with the new kernel | 06:47 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: I was asking him if he promotes open source so much, where are all of his contributions? and then I asked him why the APIs they release are less than the ones they use | 06:47 |
| Arby | see bug 117314 | 06:47 |
| manchicken | Google maps estimates 16.54 hours. | 06:47 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 117314 in linux-source-2.6.20 "latest kernel(2.6.20-16.28) update gives boot problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117314 | 06:47 |
| nixternal | and it kept going...I got a ....next question | 06:48 |
| manchicken | My mistake. | 06:48 |
| manchicken | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=champaign,+il+to+boston,+ma&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=27.643082,63.28125&ie=UTF8&z=5&om=1 | 06:48 |
| manchicken | That's if you came to my place. | 06:48 |
| nixternal | manchicken: we can knock 1.5 to 2 hours off of that | 06:48 |
| Arby | I was just about to ask about triaging it | 06:48 |
| nixternal | so you are about right then | 06:48 |
| nixternal | PA is the only state you need to really watch, but they typically hang out in construction zones | 06:48 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: microsoftian :) | 06:48 |
| marseillai | Arby: is there a known fix ? | 06:48 |
| manchicken | Sorry, I don't speed :) | 06:48 |
| Arby | not that I've seen yet | 06:49 |
| nixternal | manchicken: either do I, I just politely exploit the limit | 06:49 |
| manchicken | More than 5mph | 06:49 |
| nixternal | I know speed limits have 7mph fluctuation on anything over 40 | 06:49 |
| manchicken | heh | 06:49 |
| Arby | marseillai: it seems to be problems with device IDs for most people | 06:49 |
| nixternal | and that was done by the supreme court to stop cops from writing tickets for 1mph over | 06:50 |
| manchicken | Actually, it may be best to go and hit up a hotel in Cleveland. | 06:50 |
| nixternal | hit the bars? | 06:50 |
| Arby | I think people are fixing by manually editing fstab and friends | 06:50 |
| nixternal | they have that area by all of the warehouses and stuff | 06:50 |
| manchicken | 2000+ miles | 06:50 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: wouldn't that depend on the state? | 06:50 |
| nixternal | they have some cool places | 06:50 |
| DaSkreech | Florida can charge you for 1 mph over | 06:51 |
| manchicken | DaSkreech: Any state can charge you for 1mph over. | 06:51 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: you can get the case logs somewhere I am sure to get that over turned | 06:51 |
| manchicken | But there is no planet on which speed detection is that accurate. | 06:51 |
| manchicken | There are far too many variables. | 06:51 |
| nixternal | haha, the google dude is hangin' out in chicago channel I see | 06:51 |
| manchicken | The standing rule for most police I've met an 8mph grace. | 06:52 |
| nixternal | he gets so mad when I talk trash about it | 06:52 |
| nixternal | manchicken: ya same here | 06:52 |
| manchicken | Most of the time they'll only nail you going more than 10mph | 06:52 |
| yuriy | ah found it. | 06:52 |
| manchicken | over | 06:52 |
| DaSkreech | well I know that they can charge you extra on top of the fine for each mile per hour over 10 MPH above the limit | 06:52 |
| nixternal | you can do 75 through Ohio, and pretty much PA, but when you come upon a construction zone in PA, you better do 45 or less | 06:52 |
| DaSkreech | so a 15 MPH breakage is a seperate fine from a 16 MPH | 06:52 |
| yuriy | 45? o_O that's scary slow | 06:53 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: in Illinois, 20mph over the speed limit is wreckless driving and they can arrest you | 06:53 |
| manchicken | DaSkreech: IIRC, 15mph over could be argued reckless driving. | 06:53 |
| DaSkreech | And it get doubled if there is a police giving out a ticket already | 06:53 |
| manchicken | Ah. I thought it was 15. | 06:53 |
| yuriy | i say 85 the whole way and be careful | 06:53 |
| nixternal | well I learned it was 20, because I got nailed by a state cop on 355 for doing 77 in a 55, and he knocked it down because he said I was driving 2mph fast enough to be taken to jail | 06:54 |
| yuriy | 75 != speeding | 06:54 |
| yuriy | :D | 06:54 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:54 |
| nixternal | Michigan the speed limit is 70...you do 80 the cops don't do anything, 85 they may get you, 90 your toast | 06:54 |
| yuriy | although do people not speed as much in other states? | 06:54 |
| nixternal | people in Chicago speed in the loop for pete's sake | 06:55 |
| yuriy | i was going down an empty highway in NY and passing everybody going 70.. | 06:55 |
| yuriy | it was creepy almost | 06:55 |
| marseillai | Arby: it seems fsck solves the problem | 06:55 |
| manchicken | We need something like the motorways in Europe without speed limits :) | 06:55 |
| nixternal | yuriy: those weren't cars, those were the Amish buggies :) | 06:55 |
| nixternal | manchicken: Montana? | 06:55 |
| nixternal | don't they have that now? | 06:55 |
| manchicken | If we just had a grid of those, I'd even be okay with those being tollways. | 06:56 |
| nixternal | IPASS | 06:56 |
| DaSkreech | yuriy: well if it was empty and you were passing people ..... yeah that would be creepy | 06:56 |
| Arby | marseillai: do you want to comment on the bug I linked then describing how you fixed it. | 06:56 |
| nixternal | IFLY | 06:56 |
| nixternal | haha | 06:57 |
| marseillai | Arby: i tell you how i do, if it works then i let you comment! is it possible ? | 06:57 |
| manchicken | nixternal: Did you look at my addition to the agenda? | 06:58 |
| nixternal | to the kubuntu meeting? | 06:58 |
| manchicken | Yup | 06:58 |
| Arby | marseillai: not really, I don't have the bug on my system so I can't confirm if your fix works | 06:58 |
| nixternal | not yet..I need to check it out | 06:58 |
| nixternal | I think I am at school during that meeting..possibly learning java ;) | 06:58 |
| nixternal | http://trolltech.com/products/qt/jambi <- that is why I decided I would learn some java right there | 07:00 |
| nixternal | Qt just flat out rocks | 07:00 |
| nixternal | manchicken: good deal on that | 07:01 |
| marseillai | a question during the fsck! does anyone could tell me what is the procedure to be accept after applying to LP kubuntu-members? I have to come on the next kubuntu-meeting, then ??? | 07:01 |
| nixternal | someone started a page on the wiki that shows all of the things that should be console'fied | 07:01 |
| Hobbsee | marseillai: see the bottom half of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | 07:02 |
| marseillai | Hobbsee: problem with xubuntu people is solve ? | 07:02 |
| nixternal | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyWhatStillNeedsAConsole | 07:02 |
| nixternal | there is one of the pages, there is also a Dapper page | 07:03 |
| manchicken | Nice. | 07:03 |
| manchicken | Yeah, do you know Comcast's one-click solutions thing? | 07:03 |
| nixternal | not really..I will have to look at it | 07:04 |
| nixternal | brb | 07:05 |
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| marseillai_ | :mi | 07:10 |
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| nixternal | careful | 07:56 |
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| nixternal | hahaha | 07:57 |
| nixternal | chicken! | 07:57 |
| nixternal | only weapon I have to prevent you running away is a Kubuntu CD | 07:57 |
| DaSkreech | man! | 07:57 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: shouldn't you run away to the bedroom or something? | 07:59 |
| Hobbsee | mmm....sleep | 07:59 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, maybe | 07:59 |
| Tm_T | ruuun too thaaa hiiiiiiiiilsss | 08:00 |
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| mhb | Hobbsee: somehow, I am able to accurately guess what time it is in Australia | 08:01 |
| Hobbsee | mhmm... | 08:01 |
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| Hobbsee | what's your guess? | 08:01 |
| mhb | very early in the morning | 08:02 |
| Hobbsee | 4am | 08:02 |
| mhb | heh, close | 08:03 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: go get some sleep, that's (almost) an order :o) | 08:05 |
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| Hobbsee | heh | 08:05 |
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| manchicken | mhb: Wuddup? | 08:39 |
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| Daskreech | I just changed the time on Kubuntu and had to log out :( | 08:49 |
| mhb | manchicken: I coded that little kdesu modification we talked about, but that is not the best thing | 08:56 |
| mhb | manchicken: today, one guy mailed me that he has done the same, even better than me | 08:57 |
| mhb | manchicken: so kdesu is pretty taken care of :o) | 08:58 |
| Daskreech | Great :) | 08:58 |
| Daskreech | Should we have a most wanted list? | 08:58 |
| manchicken | mhb: Sweet. | 08:59 |
| manchicken | I'm still trying to get this system settings port done. | 08:59 |
| mhb | Daskreech: why not :o) is there anything you would like to see done? :o) | 09:00 |
| Daskreech | get rid of the stupid keyboard bug | 09:01 |
| mhb | Daskreech: in systemsettings? | 09:02 |
| Daskreech | Oh .. yeah that too :) | 09:07 |
| mhb | Daskreech: which one do you mean then? | 09:07 |
| Daskreech | Where the keyboard dies and you can't type | 09:08 |
| Daskreech | you have to log out then it magically works again | 09:08 |
| mhb | never happened here | 09:09 |
| mhb | or on any of my 3+ kubuntu computers | 09:09 |
| marseillai | could someone give me some informations about merging ? | 09:13 |
| marseillai | i'm trying to improve my skills in it | 09:13 |
| marseillai | and i take a look at k3b | 09:13 |
| marseillai | but when i look at it in MoM i see this http://merges.ubuntu.com there is actual ubuntu package, actual debian package, but not old debian package on wich ubuntu is based .... | 09:14 |
| manchicken | Why did we have to completely redo kaction in KDE4? | 09:14 |
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| marseillai | Riddell: i would like to give a try to kaffeine merging. Would you agree to take a look at it when it's done to see if i've done good work ? | 09:19 |
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| Daskreech | mhb: just happened to me on the Live Cd | 09:25 |
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| ryanakca | Riddell: thanks | 09:31 |
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| Riddell | marseillai: no, tonio's done that | 10:11 |
| marseillai | oki | 10:11 |
| marseillai | anyway it's too hard for me | 10:11 |
| Riddell | marseillai: try k3b-i18n if you want something in main, then move on to k3b | 10:11 |
| marseillai | i'm trying akode | 10:11 |
| marseillai | Riddell: too hard too for the moment | 10:11 |
| Riddell | does akode need merging? | 10:12 |
| marseillai | yes | 10:12 |
| marseillai | http://dad.dunnewind.net/akode/ | 10:12 |
| Riddell | it actually has quite a diff because of the mp3 separation in ubuntu | 10:12 |
| Riddell | http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html it's an updated merge, so it's not a priority but still can be done | 10:12 |
| marseillai | oki | 10:13 |
| marseillai | i just take a look at akode because i've start | 10:13 |
| marseillai | and go to k3b-i18n | 10:13 |
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| Daskreech | Riddell: Do you know of the keyboard bug? Where the keyboard suddenly stops working? | 10:14 |
| marseillai | Riddell: the problem is that with k3b-i18n there is no debian package on wich is base actual ubuntu package : http://merges.ubuntu.com/k/k3b-i18n/ ! so for me it's too hard! :( | 10:17 |
| RadiantFire | mhb: still there? | 10:22 |
| nixternal | Riddell: you gave me a ping earlier about kubuntu-doc licensing...anything you want or need with it | 10:23 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: I'd rather it's under the FDL (and CC) for the reasons you give, but it's not worth spending time on if it's a bother | 10:55 |
| Riddell | nixternal: what's the status of backporting docs i18n to edgy and dapper? | 10:56 |
| _StefanS_ | hi there | 10:57 |
| DaSkreech | !info mypasswordsafe | 11:04 |
| ubotu | mypasswordsafe: Easy-to-use password manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.20050615-1.1 (feisty), package size 576 kB, installed size 1012 kB | 11:04 |
| DaSkreech | Hmm | 11:05 |
| DaSkreech | *: ping | 11:05 |
| nixternal | Riddell: the backporting of the i18n for edgy docs is already reported in a bug awaiting someone to upload | 11:06 |
| nixternal | as for Dapper, last I heard it was fine with i18n | 11:06 |
| fdoving | man, this community is going nutts. | 11:07 |
| fdoving | http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/337-My-Appologies-to-everybody-not-living-in-a-free-country.html | 11:07 |
| nixternal | lol | 11:08 |
| marseillai | why did tonio removes libgphoto2-2-dev and add kdebase-kio-plugins from digikam depends ? in fact i don't understand why debian has libgphoto2-2-dev in digikam dep .... | 11:11 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: ping | 11:13 |
| nixternal | el pongo | 11:13 |
| DaSkreech | in Kubunut? | 11:13 |
| DaSkreech | Kubuntu? | 11:13 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken_: should probably check this as well :) | 11:14 |
| nixternal | haha, sometimes I feel like a nut, some times ya don't | 11:14 |
| manchicken_ | What now? | 11:14 |
| nixternal | haha | 11:14 |
| DaSkreech | open adept and search for Disc jockey | 11:14 |
| DaSkreech | how many hits do you get? | 11:15 |
| nixternal | 2 | 11:15 |
| nixternal | mixxx and mixxx-data | 11:15 |
| manchicken_ | 2 | 11:15 |
| DaSkreech | *blinks* | 11:16 |
| DaSkreech | Ok | 11:16 |
| DaSkreech | I get 3 | 11:16 |
| DaSkreech | Mypasswordsafe | 11:16 |
| DaSkreech | has the description of mixxx-data | 11:16 |
| manchicken_ | Probably a repos thing. | 11:16 |
| nixternal | manchicken_: did you get the changelogs working with the feisty release? or am I don't something wrong and not getting them to show up? | 11:17 |
| DaSkreech | ok | 11:17 |
| manchicken_ | Yeah. They're there. | 11:17 |
| nixternal | s/don't/doing | 11:17 |
| DaSkreech | They work here | 11:18 |
| manchicken_ | I was looking at the changelogs for the kernel updates this morning :) | 11:18 |
| manchicken_ | You do have to be online at the time you want to check them :) | 11:18 |
| nixternal | last I checked, I am online :) | 11:18 |
| nixternal | !ping | 11:18 |
| ubotu | pong | 11:18 |
| nixternal | yup | 11:18 |
| manchicken_ | It does not use apt proxy info though. | 11:18 |
| nixternal | maybe not every package has a changelog? | 11:19 |
| manchicken_ | I'm not sure if that feature is proxy friendly now that I think about it. | 11:19 |
| manchicken_ | I'm using QHTTP stuff for that IIRC. | 11:19 |
| Riddell | nixternal: can you e-mail me the bug number and I'll look at it in the morning | 11:23 |
| DaSkreech | !info mypasswordsafe | 11:24 |
| ubotu | mypasswordsafe: Easy-to-use password manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.20050615-1.1 (feisty), package size 576 kB, installed size 1012 kB | 11:24 |
| DaSkreech | Nope can't find that description :( | 11:25 |
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| DaSkreech | nixternal: Whooooooooooooooooooooot vi vs Emacs for the summer showdown!!!! | 11:38 |
| marseillai | :) | 11:41 |
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| marseillai | but i don't know what to do with it | 11:41 |
| marseillai | oki | 11:42 |
| marseillai | i'll make a lp report | 11:42 |
| nixternal | Riddell: sure thing | 11:43 |
| mhb | manchicken_: still here? | 11:44 |
| manchicken_ | Yup :) | 11:44 |
| mhb | manchicken_: that idea of yours doesnt sound so bad to me | 11:44 |
| mhb | manchicken_: the one-click one | 11:44 |
| manchicken_ | Yeah. I like it. | 11:44 |
| manchicken_ | I think it makes so much sense I can't believe we didn't think of it before. | 11:45 |
| manchicken_ | We've all got our ~/bin scripts, but what of those who don't script? :) | 11:45 |
| mhb | manchicken_: well, I still imagine it might get refused by others | 11:45 |
| mhb | manchicken_: but nevertheless | 11:45 |
| manchicken_ | Why though | 11:46 |
| manchicken_ | ? | 11:46 |
| DaSkreech | one click? | 11:46 |
| mhb | manchicken_: perhaps to revolutionary, perhaps too dangerous, perhaps unneeded | 11:46 |
| mhb | manchicken_: but those are not my arguments | 11:46 |
| mhb | manchicken_: I like it | 11:47 |
| manchicken_ | Folks with arguments like that should spend time in #kubuntu :) | 11:47 |
| mhb | manchicken_: the best thing would be to make it user-(co)-powered | 11:47 |
| manchicken_ | What do you mean? | 11:47 |
| mhb | manchicken_: people could submit scripts, which could get into the distribution | 11:48 |
| manchicken_ | Sure. | 11:48 |
| manchicken_ | That would be great. | 11:48 |
| manchicken_ | I think we should standardize it a bit though. | 11:49 |
| mhb | manchicken_: of course, we cannot let everyone submit whatever they want | 11:49 |
| manchicken_ | Maybe come up with a Ruby or Python KDE interface or something for it. | 11:49 |
| manchicken_ | the thing is I don't want it to have ANY command-line interface stuff. | 11:49 |
| mhb | manchicken_: yes | 11:49 |
| mhb | manchicken_: imagine a bash script with a description | 11:50 |
| manchicken_ | heh | 11:50 |
| mhb | manchicken_: people can make that script | 11:50 |
| mhb | manchicken_: and send it to us or wherever | 11:50 |
| manchicken_ | Yeah. | 11:50 |
| mhb | manchicken_: then a Joe User would launch one-click and search for "dpkg lock" and he would see just the description. One click - fixed. | 11:51 |
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| manchicken_ | Well, I like the idea of a every fix having its own GUI. | 11:51 |
| DaSkreech | one click? | 11:51 |
| fdoving | ncurses based then? - for xorg driver fixing. :) | 11:51 |
| mhb | manchicken_: no wizards, please :o) | 11:52 |
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| manchicken_ | Not wizards. | 11:52 |
| manchicken_ | Just "hey, we're about to do this to your computer." | 11:52 |
| manchicken_ | "click here if that's okay." | 11:52 |
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| mhb | DaSkreech: [#kubuntu-devel] DaSkreech: | 11:53 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuOneClickFix | 11:53 |
| fdoving | manchicken_: i like the idea. | 11:53 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: sorry .o) | 11:53 |
| manchicken_ | DaSkreech: What if you could click one thing in order to reset your network interface or restart the sound system? | 11:53 |
| crimsun | ...restart the sound system? | 11:54 |
| DaSkreech | crimsun: ha ha You are creepy :) | 11:54 |
| fdoving | crimsun: arts needs some restarting :) | 11:54 |
| manchicken_ | I think most of the folks in Kubuntudom will dig this idea. | 11:55 |
| crimsun | ah, you mean arts and not alsa. | 11:55 |
| manchicken_ | Yeah. | 11:55 |
| mhb | crimsun: hehe | 11:55 |
| manchicken_ | Sorry, I should have said KDE sound system | 11:55 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken_: so like the "solutions" solution in Vista? | 11:55 |
| mhb | crimsun: alsa is great :o) | 11:56 |
| manchicken_ | DaSkreech: Well I'm actually talking about solutions to problems. | 11:56 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken_: :-) Funny | 11:56 |
| manchicken_ | And I'm not thinking of trying to make the users more ignorant. | 11:56 |
| mhb | manchicken_: I dont think more guis is necessary | 11:56 |
| manchicken_ | I want to explain stuff to users in detail before doing anything. | 11:56 |
| manchicken_ | mhb: Well, sometimes it may be necessary for more GUI. | 11:57 |
| mhb | manchicken_: damn, now I am not going to sleep :o) | 11:57 |
| mhb | manchicken_: I will do some Designer mockups later | 11:57 |
| manchicken_ | Righto. | 11:57 |
| manchicken_ | It's a good idea I think | 11:57 |
| manchicken_ | I think it'll make everything simpler for newer users. | 11:57 |
| manchicken_ | s/everything/common problem solving/ | 11:59 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken_: how would it work? Would they only get solutions for problems they have? | 11:59 |
| fdoving | rss feed of problems :) | 12:00 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: I guess you would have a collection of one-time scripts | 12:00 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: you can search through | 12:00 |
| manchicken_ | Well, when I had Comcast internet on my wife's old win32 machine (before we fixed it with a kubuntu CD), they had a program that you could click one link/button/whatever and it would fix problems on your machine. | 12:00 |
| DaSkreech | categorized? | 12:00 |
| RadiantFire | mmm.. hello again mhb | 12:01 |
| manchicken_ | Such as, your internet stopped working. Clicking here will reset your network interfaces, renew your DHCP lease, whatever. | 12:01 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: hi, is private message fine? | 12:01 |
| manchicken_ | I think the simplicity isn't from categorization. It's more simple to have fewer solutions. | 12:02 |
| RadiantFire | mhb: sure | 12:02 |
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| manchicken_ | Instead of one for DHCP issues, one for network interfaces, only one for all internet problems. | 12:02 |
| mhb | sounds like wizards | 12:03 |
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| manchicken_ | mhb: I don't care for wizards. I like singular dialogs. | 12:03 |
| RadiantFire | what if you did an i/o slave that populates icons with common problems and ignores the ones it can detect aren't possible | 12:03 |
| DaSkreech | teh page says that Konqueror can do this? | 12:04 |
| DaSkreech | kio slave? | 12:04 |
| DaSkreech | fix:/ | 12:04 |
| manchicken_ | Could, but I think for now at least we need to keep it simple. | 12:04 |
| manchicken_ | DaSkreech: Naw, just the UI with all of the fixes. | 12:04 |
| manchicken_ | So instead of coming up with a new program that lists your fixes, you just get sent to konq with a list of all of the available fixes listed there. | 12:05 |
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| DaSkreech | manchicken_: that could grow to be huge | 12:09 |
| manchicken_ | DaSkreech: Does it really need to? | 12:09 |
| DaSkreech | Well if it's user submitted and grows across releases | 12:09 |
| DaSkreech | ummm yeah | 12:10 |
| marseillai | question there is one kubuntu meeting per month ? | 12:10 |
| manchicken_ | We need to isolate the common desktop related problems and only put those in here... at least at first. | 12:10 |
| mhb | marseillai: no | 12:10 |
| mhb | marseillai: one kubuntu meeting whenever we agree on one | 12:10 |
| mhb | marseillai: the dates are not set | 12:10 |
| manchicken_ | DaSkreech: I don't think the common desktop related problems have grown much. | 12:10 |
| marseillai | oki | 12:10 |
| marseillai | thanks mhb | 12:11 |
| DaSkreech | Will they get expunged as we come up with real GUI interfaces to the problems? | 12:12 |
| manchicken_ | There are still the "my internet is broke," "my mail is broke," "my browser is broke," "my instant messager is broke," "my X setup is broke," and the all popular "I was dumb enough to use beryl/compiz and now my everything is broke." | 12:12 |
| DaSkreech | Like stopping Adept from crashing? | 12:12 |
| manchicken_ | DaSkreech: Gosh I would hope so. | 12:12 |
| manchicken_ | DaSkreech: Adept crashing isn't the only way to lock your database. | 12:12 |
| DaSkreech | how would that work? | 12:12 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken_: I'm being facetious | 12:12 |
| manchicken_ | DaSkreech: Killing adept and ^C on anything that hits dpkg database would break it. | 12:12 |
| DaSkreech | I know :) power outages | 12:13 |
| DaSkreech | I DO live in the third world | 12:13 |
| manchicken_ | Nice. | 12:13 |
| DaSkreech | but how would they get the one click? it ships with the release? | 12:13 |
| manchicken_ | Disk space being full would be another nice one. | 12:13 |
| DaSkreech | haven't hit that one yet :) | 12:13 |
| manchicken_ | I think for the most part these fixes could even just be .desktop entries for existing programs. | 12:13 |
| DaSkreech | Right. But I'm saying they would have to be on the hard drive right? | 12:14 |
| DaSkreech | not on an external server? | 12:14 |
| DaSkreech | otherwise make my net work is a joke button | 12:14 |
| manchicken_ | This would all be desktop only fixes. | 12:14 |
| manchicken_ | Remember, Kubuntu is a desktop distribution :) | 12:14 |
| DaSkreech | Sort of like how we have the instructions to make the gateway work on our server in Texas... so you can't read it if the gateway isnt' working | 12:15 |
| manchicken_ | I don't think we need to go too far down the path of making decisions just yet. | 12:15 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken_: right so they get expunged when other fixes turn up? so part of the spec of the other fixes would be to erase the one click? | 12:15 |
| manchicken_ | I'd just like to see a place where people know to go where they can find quick and simple solutions for when their machine starts acting up. | 12:16 |
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