[12:20] <intelikey> well again implies a break.   more of implies contenuity
[12:21] <BluesKaj> implications aside .. enuff is enuff :)
[12:21] <kazon> hi guys
[12:21] <intelikey> and yes symantic to a fault
[12:23] <intelikey> possably even pedantic
[12:24] <BluesKaj> I'm still trying to figure out how to make kubuntu recognize my ATI TV Wonder Pro Card ...I've edited the modeles etc , cx88 , card=4 , tuner=44 etec etc , but nothing seems to stick
[12:24] <BluesKaj> err modules
[12:26] <intelikey> please clearify the last phrase "but nothing seems to stick"   ?
[12:26] <nahemoth__> I can't type unicode characters in amsn, could you help me with it
[12:27] <roland> hello
[12:27] <roland> anybody here how can help me with mythtv and dvb-s?
[12:28] <BluesKaj> dunno how to explain it , but I've folowed the tutorials available to edit the /etc/modprobe.d file to activate the card but TVtime still won't run
[12:28] <BluesKaj> !mythtv
[12:28] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[12:29] <intelikey> BluesKaj ok, that's what i was asking,  you threw me with "but nothing seems to stick"     thought you meant it would be changed back upon reboot or something.
[12:29] <BluesKaj> sorry didn't mean to mislead you, intelikey
[12:30] <aliasrush> anyone get kubuntu working with ati+xgl+beryl??
[12:30] <BluesKaj> !beryl-ati
[12:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beryl-ati - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:30] <BluesKaj> !beryl
[12:30] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:30] <intelikey> IF! it had been that.   chattr +i path/to/filename    will make it "stick"   unfortunately that wasn't the issue.
[12:31] <intelikey> just mentioned ffr
[12:32] <fdoving> nite
[12:32] <intelikey> fdoving g'night
[12:32] <BluesKaj> no intelikey , i edited as root and the changes required are still in the file , but I must be missing something ...yuy2 layering etc
[12:32] <roland> @ubotu, thanks for the link, if already followed this instruction and everything seems to work. just i get no picture and no sound
[12:33] <intelikey> yeah you're out of my league there.   sorry i can't help with it.
[12:33] <BluesKaj> yeah, it's a difficult one
[12:34] <BluesKaj> np, a lotta ppl don't bother wit tv on their pc's ...can't say i blame them :)
[12:34] <daleach> how do I add somethign to my $PATH permanently not via .bashrc?
[12:35] <intelikey> daleach /etc/profile
[12:35] <daleach> ah /etc
[12:35] <daleach> i thought it was like .profile in ~
[12:35] <daleach> k
[12:35] <daleach> thanks
[12:35] <intelikey> daleach well /etc/  is system wide   ~/.    is user specific.
[12:36] <daleach> right yeah thanks
[12:36] <daleach> wouldn't have made sense there true
[12:37] <intelikey> yes.  you didn't specify the path in question so i'm left making assumptions about your actual needs...
[12:38] <daleach> nah u were right no reason I should have this only being applied to just my user hehe
[12:38] <intelikey> "ask smarter questions, get more smart elics to answer"  homer
[12:40] <BluesKaj> bit of a parabox there "smart questions"  :)
[12:40] <BluesKaj> oops paradox
[12:40] <daleach> also can anyone give me the size they get for du -h /var on their system? so i can make a reasonable estimate if mine is too much?
[12:40] <intelikey> you think ?
[12:41] <cWolfe> http://tvplanner.comcast.net/  anyone with comcast? does this work for you?
[12:41] <daleach> i guess you could just say precise
[12:41] <dr_willis> daleach,  heh 'how big is it?'
[12:41] <dr_willis> :)
[12:41] <daleach> to get rid of the paradox
[12:41] <daleach> 1.5g
[12:41] <intelikey>  54M     /var
[12:41] <daleach> lol
[12:41] <cWolfe> nevermind, i loaded slow
[12:41] <BluesKaj> intelikey, if ya have to ask.....
[12:41] <dr_willis> thers a lot of stuff can get cached there..
[12:42] <daleach> i dunno since i've done some system changes i thought i was getting some crazy back up or somethign going on but..
[12:42] <dr_willis> 630M    /var
[12:42] <BluesKaj> 88Mb here
[12:42] <daleach> i mean its not like its writing to some sort of other duplicate drive so what good is it if there is soemthign like that.... going on in kubuntu that i don't know about.. ?
[12:42] <daleach> it looks like i'm way off
[12:42] <BluesKaj> err looka gain ... 880Mb
[12:43] <intelikey> BluesKaj no sir.   one can be very smart and yet ignorant.    smart refering not to accumulated knowledge but problem sloving ability.
[12:43] <daleach> and I have pretty much NO packages installed....... just base kubuntu few other things
[12:43] <BluesKaj> looks like around 1Gig daleach
[12:43] <daleach> well is there anything in here I can delete?
[12:43] <dr_willis> the apt cache dir can get huge
[12:44] <intelikey> daleach do you want to clear out the package cache ?
[12:44] <ardchoille> dr_willis: Yes, I found that out the hard way.
[12:44] <intelikey> sudo apt-get clean
[12:44] <BluesKaj> yes, ppl with good memories and poor problem solving skills are the norm , I think :)
[12:44] <daleach> yeah I guess I haven't done that in a while
[12:45] <intelikey> BluesKaj possably-ossably-ossably
[12:46] <BluesKaj> <--- no brainiac, just stubborn ...don't give up easily
[12:46] <daleach> okkkkk and that just got me 1.3 gigs thaks guys hah
[12:46] <intelikey> BluesKaj heh an experssion comes to mind.   'common sense is a very uncommon thing anymore'
[12:47] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:47] <hakaisou> question.  how do I mount an iso?
[12:48] <dr_willis> !iso
[12:48] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[12:48] <hakaisou> aha.  thank you
[12:48] <intelikey> daleach you can check in your /var/mail/  to see if that's got lots.   also /var/log/ can grow out of proportion if something is failing and logging a lot.
[12:48] <hakaisou> didn't know that was built in
[12:48] <BluesKaj> hakaisou, try acetoneiso...it's a very good converter
[12:48] <dr_willis> built in? heh :) its just a feature of the broad way Linux handles filesystems.
[12:49] <daleach> after i did the apt-get clean
[12:49] <intelikey> hakaisou always has been in linux.
[12:49] <daleach> i have 192M in var
[12:49] <daleach> heh
[12:49] <dr_willis> not needing some 'hack' like other os'd may need.
[12:49] <masterk> how do I install something from source files?
[12:49] <daleach> so nice job :)
[12:49] <daleach> heh
[12:49] <dr_willis> masterk,  a better q is why doyou need to do so?
[12:49] <ardchoille> masterk: The first task is to check the repos to see if the app is there. Which app is it?
[12:50] <dr_willis> unpack source, ./configure, make, make install :)
[12:50] <masterk> stepmania, it's a game so I doubt it's there
[12:50] <dr_willis> !find stepmania
[12:50] <intelikey> !b-e | masterk been here ?
[12:50] <ubotu> Package/file stepmania does not exist in feisty
[12:50] <ubotu> masterk been here ?: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[12:51] <dr_willis> !find step
[12:51] <ubotu> Found: addresses-goodies-for-gnustep, afterstep, backstep, gnustep, gnustep-back-common (and 36 others)
[12:51] <daleach> what does /var/lib have
[12:51] <intelikey> daleach system files.
[12:51] <masterk> !find ddr
[12:51] <ubotu> Found: kaddressbook, kaddressbook-plugins, addresses-goodies-for-gnustep, addresses.framework, addressmanager.app (and 16 others)
[12:51] <daleach> yeah just looked it up
[12:51] <daleach> k
[12:51] <intelikey> daleach you don't mess with anything /lib/
[12:51] <masterk> !find dancedancerevolution
[12:52] <ubotu> Package/file dancedancerevolution does not exist in feisty
[12:52] <daleach> k yeah
[12:52] <intelikey> or  /*bin/
[12:52] <intelikey> you're sure to break things if you do.
[12:52] <daleach> well i'm a developer to just STILL a lil silly ignorant with the *nix dir structure hehe
[12:53] <daleach> normally i'd have not asked about a /lib but with respect to /var
[12:54] <masterk> I got me an issue while running ./configure
[12:54] <intelikey> yes that's why i mentioned that.    in *nix'dom   lib   and bin are pretty much always system binaries
[12:54] <masterk> configure: error: No OpenGL library could be found.
[12:54] <daleach> i take it i don't modify /var/cache either heh
[12:54] <masterk> is opengl a package I need?
[12:54] <intelikey> not manually daleach
[12:55] <daleach> right
[12:55] <daleach> k
[12:55] <intelikey> you did modify it with the command
[12:56] <intelikey> even rm -r /var/cache/apt/archives/*      which would seem harmless will leave you wondering why you can't install anything.
[12:56] <daleach> oh that's right the apt stuff is in there
[12:56] <masterk> !find opengl
[12:56] <ubotu> Found: cl-sdl-opengl, libghc6-opengl-dev, libopengl-perl, libopengl-ruby, libtiff-opengl (and 2 others)
[12:57] <daleach> well yeah duh taht's why my apt-get clean
[12:57] <intelikey> simple answer   /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/  is the download dir used by the packagemanager and you awaxed it...
[12:57] <daleach> but yeah i mean ....I understand /var now
[12:57] <masterk> what do I need to run opengl for my game?] 
[12:57] <daleach> variable changing stuff
[12:57] <intelikey> yep
[12:57] <intelikey> things that get modified a lot
[12:57] <daleach> but i kind of don't like the fact
[12:58] <daleach> it'd be cooler if there was some sort of... separation
[12:58] <daleach> withhin it
[12:58] <daleach> things like / mail
[12:58] <daleach> from more system stuff
[12:58] <daleach> masterk do u have a 3d graphics card?
[12:58] <masterk> wow I mispelled cries...
[12:58] <intelikey> !ati | masterk
[12:58] <ubotu> masterk: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:59] <daleach> the opengl error will go away or should if u have the right drivers for ur card either ati or nvidia
[12:59] <daleach> depending on what u have
[12:59] <masterk> umm... I don't know but this game ran in windows before I took out the windows hard drive and in case you were wondering I'm running on a thinkpad T22
[12:59] <trakinas> I keep getting that there would be a package conflict, so it cant install anything
[12:59] <masterk> it has a s3 savage card
[01:00] <trakinas> sudo dpkg --configure -a outputs nothings
[01:00] <trakinas> *nothing
[01:00] <masterk> and I also noticed in linux going from one page to another runs really slowly
[01:01] <masterk> so it takes a long time to browse the internet
[01:01] <masterk> anyone have any clues?
[01:01] <masterk> it ran really fast in windows
[01:01] <dr_willis> disable that ipv6 stuff perhaps ?
[01:01] <masterk> how?
[01:01] <dr_willis> !ipv6
[01:01] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[01:01] <dr_willis> :)
[01:01] <masterk> ty
[01:02] <intelikey> daleach i'm not sure you grasp /var/mail   that's system mails not your email account dl dir    your mail client dl's to your $HOME/.clientname/*
[01:02] <trakinas> anyone? Adept insist in confliting packahes...
[01:02] <daleach> masterk i had something like that to get the new drivers I think
[01:02] <mahdi> where would I find the docs on kicker applets? ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker/applets appears empty
[01:02] <trakinas> but dpkg --configure -a dont show any package
[01:03] <ardchoille> masterk: Is this in firefox?
[01:03] <daleach> intelikey i know hah
[01:03] <masterk> konqueror and firefox
[01:03] <chairmeleon> hey
[01:03] <daleach> but
[01:03] <daleach> the system won't die if i delete those right?
[01:03] <chairmeleon> just pulled kde from the repos and found a very odd thing
[01:03] <intelikey> confliting packahes  !=  unconfigured package
[01:03] <mahdi> trakinas: when adept detects a conflict it doesn't install the conflicting package at all, there wouldn't be anything to configure
[01:03] <daleach> they're just log ish right?
[01:04] <ardchoille> masterk: Ah, ok.. well I know you can change some of the pipelining stuff in firefox to increase speed, but start with the ipv6 stuff.
[01:04] <chairmeleon> I can't find the module to configure my screen resolution, refresh rate and stuff like that
[01:04] <daleach> like things like a mail is being sent (because some security breach attempt)
[01:04] <daleach> etc..
[01:04] <trakinas> mahdi: i know, but I used to use dpkg --configure to see which pack is conflicting
[01:04] <intelikey> trakinas   in adept you are trying to install something that confolcts with something already installed   so the package manager is saying 'i cant do that, it will break things'
[01:04] <trakinas> with gimp?
[01:05] <daleach> masterk get the right drivers I had an issue like that with the browser to i think
[01:05] <intelikey> dpkg --configure <<< does not show potential conflicts
[01:05] <trakinas> hmmm.
[01:05] <trakinas> it says the same with superkaramba.
[01:05] <intelikey> trakinas   use   sudo apt-get install <package>
[01:06] <gnomefreak> trakinas: try installing or upgrading the  packages again this time in terminal so you have output
[01:06] <red_> how do I set a desktop icon to a bash command?
[01:06] <intelikey> that will tell you what conflicts
[01:06] <masterk> I will start with the IPv6 stuff first then consult the channel for any other advice
[01:06] <red_> i.e. when I click the icon, command executes? I want this for a java application
[01:06] <intelikey> red_ script
[01:08] <trakinas> there's a not totally installed package, according to apt...
[01:08] <intelikey> red_  echo -e '#!/bin/sh \n\n (your command here) ' > muscript.sh ;chmod 755 muscript.sh
[01:09] <intelikey> trakinas sudo apt-get install -f          so it will finish.
[01:10] <trakinas> intelikey: thanks! more then one year without touching a debian-based distro... hehe
[01:10] <red_> intelikey: cheers
[01:10] <intelikey> ok kids have fun without me.   i'm went.
[01:14] <mau> Is it possible to make KMail only check my inbox when downloading new mail via IMAP?
[01:14] <mau> Right now it checks all of my folders, which takes a long time.
[01:17] <casanovahome> Hi!
[01:18] <mahdi> hello
[01:18] <dr_willis> Moo! :)
[01:18] <casanovahome>  :)
[01:19] <mahdi> anyone know where i can get some information on editing kicker applets?
[01:21] <Sanne> mahdi: what do you mean? Configuring or developing?
[01:21] <mahdi> either/or, the system menu applet is the one i'd like to configure yet has no configure options
[01:22] <masterk> ok my internet is great now, thanks guys
[01:22] <casanovahome> Hi dr willis, do you remember the problems I'm having with my sound?.. Well, I still can't hear any sound after I implemented the command you gave me.  Any other helpful advice you could give?  By the way, thanks for your help so far!
[01:22] <Sanne> mahdi: for development, this may be a good start: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Architecture/KDE3/Panel_Applets
[01:22] <masterk> now... what do I need to get openGL on my laptop so I can play my game?
[01:24] <mahdi> masterk: what is your video chipset?
[01:25] <masterk> s3 savage
[01:26] <mahdi> well you got me there, never heard of it. but you need your video drivers installed and it should work, though I don't know anything about that chipset to be honest, try the forums
[01:29] <ardchoille> !s3
[01:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about s3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:29] <ardchoille> !savage
[01:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about savage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:31] <nrcser> hello, question about mp3 playback, amarok 1.4.5, kubuntu feisty fawn libxine-extracodecs installed
[01:31] <nrcser> it doesn't work
[01:31] <ardchoille> !mp3
[01:31] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:32] <nrcser> hi ubotu
[01:32] <ardchoille> !
[01:32] <ardchoille> !bot
[01:32] <nrcser> i did look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:32] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:32] <nrcser> and even with libxine-extracodecs, i'm not getting playback
[01:32] <ardchoille> nrcser: The https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats is a very nice page
[01:33] <tekky> whats the desktop widget application for kubuntu? I cant seem to find it anywhere and I cant remember enough of its name to  search for it effectively :(
[01:33] <ardchoille> nrcser: I don't think amarok uses libxine-extracodecs
[01:33] <nrcser> it is indeed a very nice page, but the solution didn't work
[01:34] <ardchoille> nrcser: Nevermind, I'm wrong about that
[01:35] <nrcser> ardchoille: that's ok
[01:35] <ardchoille> nrcser: Did you install libxine1-ffmpeg?
[01:35] <ardchoille> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3
[01:35] <ardchoille> Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) -  To play mp3's with Amarok, install the package libxine1-ffmpeg (which will install libmad0 as well).
[01:37] <nrcser> ardchoille: i do have libxine1-ffmpeg installed.
[01:37] <tekky> nm, i found it
[01:37] <nrcser> but libxine-main1 is not installed.
[01:38] <Aresilek> How can I set up World of Warcraft for WINE?
[01:38] <Aresilek> Where can I get wxWidgets?
[01:38] <crimsun> Aresilek: which version?
[01:38] <Aresilek> And does anyone know how to install Planeshift?
[01:38] <Aresilek> 7.04 fiesty
[01:38] <crimsun> Aresilek: no, which version of wxwidgets?
[01:39] <Aresilek> wxWidgets latest
[01:39] <Aresilek> whatever that is
[01:39] <Aresilek> hmm and perhaps 2.4 as well
[01:39] <Aresilek> i find 2.4 easier to use
[01:39] <crimsun> 2.4 is wxwindows, not wxwidgets.
[01:39] <crimsun> 2.6 and 2.8 are wxwidgets
[01:40] <crimsun> 2.6 and 2.8 are not necessarily runtime compatible, hence you need to be very specific.
[01:41] <crimsun> well, I'll let you break your own system. The package names are libwxgtk2.6-0 and libwxgtk2.8-0, respectively.
[01:42] <crimsun> if you want to _compile_ wxwidgets programs, you want libwxgtk2.6-dev and libwxgtk2.8-dev, respectively.
[01:42] <alatriste> hi people
[01:43] <alatriste> some program for dvd covers in kubuntu?
[01:44] <jimmy> Can anyone answer some questions about KMyMoney?
[01:45] <defcon_> i dont have a wine menu in kde
[01:45] <defcon_> I have wine installed
[01:45] <defcon_> shows up in gnome, why not kde?
[01:45] <defcon_> is there something I need to install for this
[01:46] <dr_willis> hmm ive seen the wine menu under kde
[01:47] <defcon_> dr_willis, any ideas why not on mine?
[01:47] <Aresilek> sorry crimsun, i went afk
[01:47] <dr_willis> defcon_,  nope.
[01:48] <Aresilek> so getting both 2.6 and 2.8 can actually damage by system?
[01:48] <crimsun> Aresilek: no, it won't damage your system.
[01:48] <Aresilek> then what?
[01:49] <masterk> where do I get themes an add-ons?
[01:49] <crimsun> Aresilek: you're not clear on what you're attempting to do, so I covered both common use cases.
[01:49] <dr_willis> check the pakcage manager. theres a lot of themes and extras not installed by default
[01:49] <Aresilek> [19:41:40]  <crimsun> well, I'll let you break your own system. The package names are libwxgtk2.6-0 and libwxgtk2.8-0, respectively.
[01:49] <crimsun> Aresilek: scroll up and read what I typed regarding the package names for 2.6 and 2.8.
[01:49] <dr_willis> then theres the kde-look.org site
[01:50] <Aresilek> u said break my system
[01:50] <crimsun> Aresilek: yes, I have no idea what you're attempting to do, so I gave you the information you need.
[01:50] <Minataku> Heya, dr_willis
[01:50] <dr_willis> hi
[01:51] <Aresilek> so it sounds like if i getting this right, just to RUN wxwidgets programs i must get those libraries
[01:51] <Aresilek> as it seems that's what is neccessary in linux
[01:51] <Minataku> Correct
[01:51] <Minataku> It's necessary in Windows, too
[01:51] <crimsun> Aresilek: you need one of those, yes, and it will pull in necessary dependencies.
[01:51] <Minataku> It's just harder to tell
[01:51] <Aresilek> :-S
[01:51] <Minataku> Windows uses DLLs for the same functionality
[01:52] <Minataku> Aresilek: It makes individual binaries smaller to dynamically link them
[01:52] <Aresilek> but i dont need to distribute my programs with any dlls....
[01:52] <Minataku> The side effect is that the proper libraries must be available at runtime
[01:52] <Dekkard> wxwidgets is pretty small
[01:52] <Minataku> It's a good thing, trust me
[01:52] <Minataku> A lot better than having every binary on the system statically linked
[01:52] <juifsournois> hi, i keep getting errors when trying to compile software on kubuntu with jack support (i have everything jack installed) and google is proving useless on this issue. any ideas?
[01:53] <Aresilek> so, now to compile my programs i need something else?
[01:53] <Minataku> That is, needed parts compiled in, which would make all the binaries insanely huge
[01:53] <crimsun> juifsournois: do you want us to guess the error messages? :)
[01:53] <crimsun> (use pastebin)
[01:53] <Aresilek> [19:42:39]  <crimsun> if you want to _compile_ wxwidgets programs, you want libwxgtk2.6-dev and libwxgtk2.8-dev, respectively.
[01:53] <Minataku> Those are the -dev packages
[01:53] <Dekkard> juifsournois:  yo need to install build-essential
[01:53] <Minataku> Kubuntu separates the runtime needs from the development needs
[01:53] <Minataku> To add extra size consideration
[01:55] <juifsournois> no i just wanted to see if it sounded familiar :)
[01:55] <juifsournois> what is build-essential ?
[01:55] <juifsournois> (wich im installing)
[01:56] <juifsournois> ill pastebin the msg
[01:56] <enemyz> Im having a problem; when I try to use adeptmanager or do apt-get, it says that the root is already used by another program. Ive checked, dubblecheked and there is no other program using it.
[01:56] <defcon_> my wine menu in kde dissapeared, how do I get it back
[01:57] <Aresilek> if i get the dev packages do i still need to get the runtime libraries?
[01:57] <enemyz> Or, well, Ive looked in the differnt terminals and desktops and cant se anyone.
[01:57] <Minataku> Uh... I don't know that, Aresilek
[01:57] <crimsun> Aresilek: the dev packages depend on the runtime ones.
[01:58] <Minataku> There ya go
[01:58] <juifsournois> http://pastebin.ca/514919
[01:58] <Minataku> Get both
[01:58] <Minataku> Problems solved
[01:58] <crimsun> (it's useless to have static libs and headers without their corresponding runtimes)
[01:59] <Minataku> All you need are the libs and headers and you're set for both tasks
[01:59] <Minataku> But Kubuntu may do things differently
[01:59] <Minataku> And apparantly it does
[02:00] <Aresilek> :-S
[02:00] <Minataku> Aresilek: Just get all those and you should be set
[02:00] <Aresilek> when u say kubuntu do you mean*ubuntu (ubuntu, kubuntu, edubutu, etc?)
[02:01] <Minataku> Yeah
[02:01] <Minataku> I usually say *buntu when I mean them all, but I goof sometimes
[02:01] <BluesKaj> well kubuntu should be ubuntu-kde
[02:02] <Aresilek> so do get those packages i can do an apt-get?
[02:02] <BluesKaj> ubuntu is ubuntu-gnome
[02:02] <Minataku> Kubuntu should be Ubuntu... GNOME is crap
[02:02] <crimsun> Minataku: erm, no, that's why Kubuntu exists. :-)
[02:02] <Minataku> Heh
[02:02] <BluesKaj> Minataku, it's a matter of taste
[02:02] <Minataku> I'm just saying, why should the better DE have the secondary distro? ;3
[02:02] <nrcser> hey ardchoille, still there?
[02:02] <crimsun> it is -not- a "secondary distro"
[02:03] <Aresilek> :-O
[02:03] <Minataku> crimsun: Most people will think of or mention "Ubuntu" first
[02:03] <crimsun> that's those people's problem.
[02:03] <Minataku> "Kubuntu" typically gets the "second banana" status
[02:03] <Minataku> I always suggest Kubuntu
[02:03] <Minataku> Specifically
[02:03] <Aresilek> i agree Minataku, kubuntu should be ubuntu and ubuntu should be gubuntu
[02:04] <Minataku> See? This guy gets it? XD
[02:05] <Aresilek> :-D
[02:06] <Grant> if I'm running windows through VMWare, will installing the windows drivers change anything?
[02:07] <darryl_> Grant: huh?
[02:07] <Grant> like gfx card driver
[02:07] <darryl_> Grant: installl the vmware tools
[02:07] <Grant> I have windows running in vmware right now
[02:08] <darryl_> Grant: yes - i know
[02:08] <Mongey> anyone have urban terror ?
[02:08] <Grant> I'm just wondering if I still need to install the windows video drivers and such
[02:08] <Mongey> cause i cant get it to lauch, 64 bit kubuntu
[02:08] <darryl_> Grant: as I said above - install vmware tools first
[02:09] <Mongey> !commands
[02:09] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[02:09] <Grant> darryl_, oh ok
[02:13] <ace_> !multihead
[02:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about multihead - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:14] <ace_> ubotu: don't worry, someone else might no!
[02:14] <Aresilek> :-D
[02:16] <jack> use eclipse? ;p
[02:16] <ace_> Anyone know where the kde/kubuntu developers hang out ?
[02:16] <n8k99> try #kde-devel #kubuntu-devel ace_
[02:17] <ace_> thx
[02:19] <mas195> I have a quick question if anyone has a moment
[02:20] <n8k99> mas195: ask
[02:20] <mas195> ty, i have a file - staroffice.sh - how do i install it?
[02:21] <n8k99> staroffice.sh is a shell script mas195
[02:22] <n8k99> you need to make certain that it is executeable
[02:22] <mas195> my university provides it as an ms office alternative but no directions how to use it
[02:22] <n8k99> go to the directory its in and chmod + x staroffice.sh
[02:22] <n8k99> then ./staroffice.sh
[02:23] <n8k99> mas195: that should install staroffice-
[02:24] <n8k99> although its is remarkably similar to OpenOffice
[02:24] <mas195> is one better than the other cause openoffice installs with kubuntu
[02:24] <n8k99> and you could also use Koffice pretty succesfully mas1
[02:25] <BluesKaj> as Open Office is to MSOffice
[02:25] <Sanne> mas195: openoffice and staroffice share most of the code. Staroffice has some proprietary additions that aren't in openoffice.
[02:26] <BluesKaj> some ppl sat OO is better than the MS version.... dunno why , i'm not  a user of either
[02:26] <mas195> anything significant that would make star office a better choice than open office
[02:26] <n8k99> mas195: Sun will make money from it!
[02:27] <mas195> i have used ms office, some nice bells and whistles but basic functionality is basic functionality no matter the suite
[02:27] <BluesKaj> OO is less invasive of your oc than staroffice from the remarks i've read
[02:27] <Sanne> mas195: I don't know exactly, but I think those additions are something about the database and also about language tools.
[02:27] <BluesKaj> os and pc
[02:27] <mas195> if that is the biggest difference then i will diregard the star office and stick with oo or koffice...
[02:28] <mas195> are there any CBT's available for learning linux...
[02:28] <Sanne> mas195: I personally wouldn't bother installing staroffice, but I'm not a heavy user of openoffice either, so for me it's more than enough.
[02:29] <mas195> i am enrolled in a virtual university so using the office programs are a necessity
[02:29] <n8k99> mas195: which one?
[02:29] <Minataku> OpenOffice is the free version of StarOffice
[02:29] <Pollywog> anyone else find that ksnapshot leaves a trail of dots when a snapshot of a region is taken?
[02:30] <Pollywog> is there another app that does the same but without the trail of dots?
[02:30] <mas195> the files have to be in word 2003 format but OpenOffice will save files in that format... so it works well enough
[02:30] <mas195> university of phoenix
[02:31] <mas195> ditto
[02:31] <Pollywog> do online universities only have soft subjects?
[02:31] <jrick> i need some help install updates in my kubuntu instalation.  Whenever I try to update with Adept, it gives me an error.  I tried to update with the terminal, but it still doesn't work.
[02:31] <jrick> Heres the output
[02:31] <jrick> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22751/
[02:32] <n8k99> Pollywog: how do you mean?
[02:32] <Pollywog> do they have engineering and science?
[02:32] <n8k99> depends on the school
[02:32] <Pollywog> oic
[02:34] <morpheus> i'm tying to download kernel source, how do i find it?
[02:34] <crimsun> apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[02:34] <jrick> It worked on KDE 3.5.6, but ever since upgrading to 3.5.7, it hasn't worked
[02:35] <Pollywog> apt-cache search linux-source-2.6
[02:35] <jrick> i'm not sure if it has anything to do with KDE, though, because it seems like an apt problem
[02:35] <morpheus> ahaa, thank you crimsun
[02:38] <jrick> should I ask on #ubuntu?
[02:39] <Pollywog> jrick you could get source and try to compile it
[02:40] <jrick> Pollywog: how?
[02:40] <Pollywog> apt-get source <packagename>
[02:40] <Pollywog> and before compiling it do 'apt-get build-dep <packagename>
[02:40] <jrick> and would this fix the problem so I can use packages again?
[02:40] <BluesKaj> jrick, what kinds of errors
[02:40] <BluesKaj> ?
[02:40] <Pollywog> no it would not, not if your db is corrupted
[02:40] <jrick> it's in the pastebin
[02:41] <enemyz> hmmm... I tried to get some snes emulators using adept, when it asked me to insert the ubunto CD. I cant find it, is there anyway to skip the CD?
[02:41] <jrick> how would i fix that?
[02:41] <jrick> can i reconfigure my database?
[02:41] <Pollywog> it is sometimes possible to fix it
[02:42] <jrick> Pollywog: how would i go around fixing it?
[02:43] <dwidmann> jrick: try running " sudo dpkg-reconfigure hal-info
[02:44] <Pollywog> have you tried 'sudo apt-get check'?
[02:44] <jrick> no output
[02:44] <jrick> no output on check either
[02:44] <Pollywog> k
[02:44] <dwidmann> jrick: then do "sudo dpkg --configure -a"  and if that doesn't work, try running "sudo dpkg --clear-avail && sudo apt-get update"
[02:44] <nahemoth> How do we include the header files in Kdevelop ?
[02:45] <nahemoth> or Kate
[02:45] <nahemoth> ?
[02:46] <jrick> dwidmann: well the first one didn't work, trying the second one
[02:46] <jrick> nope, the second one didn't work either
[02:47] <jrick> isn' there just some nice sudo dpkg-reconfigure <something> that could fix it?
[02:47] <jrick> working with deb's, there usually is
[02:47] <AutoMatriX_> are there soime Kismet-users inside ?
[02:48] <dwidmann> jrick: perhaps sudo dpkg-reconfigure hal-info ?
[02:48] <Pollywog> the only thing I can think of is to install a fake package but it is possible in this case that your system would be rendered unbootable
[02:48] <jrick> tried that.
[02:48] <jrick> didn't work
[02:48] <Pollywog> is that an essential package?
[02:48] <jrick> no, just updates
[02:48] <jrick> the packages are in the pastbin
[02:48] <dwidmann> Pollywog: essential, not necessarily, important, yes.
[02:48] <Pollywog> I wonder if the package itself is corrupt
[02:49] <jrick> then other's would be having the same problems
[02:49] <dwidmann> jrick: try running sudo apt-get clean
[02:49] <Pollywog> because if not corrupt, you could then reinstall the package over the fake one
[02:49] <dwidmann> it'll make it redownload that package ..., just in case yeah?
[02:50] <AutoMatriX_> any kismet users in here ?
[02:50] <Pollywog> fake packages have saved me a number of times
[02:50] <jrick> nope
[02:50] <jrick> E: The package index files are corrupted. No Filename: field for package hal-info.
[02:51] <jrick> should i try asking on #ubuntu or #debian ?
[02:51] <Pollywog> no not #debian
[02:51] <Pollywog> not unless you don't tell them it is an ubuntu system
[02:51] <jrick> ohh, i see
[02:51] <jrick> :)
[02:52] <jrick> they hate ubuntu, don't they
[02:52] <Pollywog> well they don't like to answer ubuntu questions
[02:52] <jrick> what about #ubuntu
[02:52] <Pollywog> yes that might help
[02:52] <jrick> ok
[02:52] <jrick> i'll try that
[02:53] <kane> hey all the sudden on my network drives im getting permison denied when trying to mount them, it worked fine and i rebooted and now, no.
[02:54] <Pollywog> Filename: pool/main/h/hal-info/hal-info_20070402-1ubuntu1~feisty1_all.deb
[02:54] <Pollywog> jrick which hal-info is installed?
[02:54] <jrick> not sure, but it's in the updates
[02:54] <jrick> (that i can't get to)
[02:55] <Pollywog> check /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:55] <Pollywog> for the filename
[02:55] <Pollywog> Filename: pool/main/h/hal-info/hal-info_20070402-1ubuntu1~feisty1_all.deb   < is that it?
[02:55] <jrick> let me check
[02:56] <jrick> uh, i only have two things in /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:57] <jrick> an empty folder and an empty document called lock
[02:57] <Pollywog> how were you doing the upgrade?
[02:57] <jrick> sudo apt-get update
[02:57] <Pollywog> k
[02:57] <jrick> sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:57] <Pollywog> so you must have done 'apt-get clean' recently
[02:57] <jrick> uh, yeah
[02:57] <Pollywog> k
[02:59] <jrick> is there any way to just reconfigure the database?
[02:59] <Pollywog> cd /var/lib/dpkg
[02:59] <Pollywog> jrick
[02:59] <Pollywog> cd /var/lib/dpkg
[02:59] <jrick> k
[02:59] <Pollywog> how many files do you see there?
[02:59] <Pollywog> approx
[02:59] <jrick> about 15
[03:00] <Pollywog> k
[03:00] <Pollywog> good
[03:00] <jrick> and this is good because?
[03:00] <Pollywog> because if it were two or three you would have a bigger problem
[03:01] <Pollywog> hold on
[03:02] <Pollywog> that package is listed as optional
[03:02] <jrick> what package?
[03:02] <jrick> hal-info?
[03:02] <Pollywog> jrick yes
[03:03] <Pollywog> cd /var/lib/dpkg
[03:03] <jrick> what about everything else, like python and stuff
[03:03] <jrick> k, i'm there
[03:03] <Pollywog> then do a 'less status' and look for hal-info
[03:03] <Pollywog> you can use /hal-info
[03:04] <nahemoth> How do we include the header files in Kdevelop  or Kate?
[03:04] <Pollywog> then it will drop down to that line
[03:04] <jrick> it's installed ok
[03:04] <jrick> optional
[03:04] <Pollywog> what version does it say is installed?
[03:04] <jrick> yeah, thought that was interesting
[03:05] <jrick> Replaces: hal (<< 0.5.9)
[03:05] <jrick> Conflicts: hal (<< 0.5.9)
[03:05] <Pollywog> mine says that too
[03:05] <jrick> 20070402-1ubuntu1~feisty1
[03:05] <Pollywog> what is in Version
[03:05] <Pollywog> k
[03:05] <Pollywog> same one I have
[03:06] <jrick> could it be because i have that hal installed?
[03:06] <jrick> not sure if i do...
[03:06] <Pollywog> do not remove hal
[03:06] <jrick> command not found
[03:06] <jrick> it's not on anyways
[03:07] <Pollywog> it is not a command
[03:07] <Pollywog> dpkg -l hal
[03:07] <jrick> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[03:07] <jrick> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[03:08] <jrick> is that bad?
[03:08] <Pollywog> that is all it shows?
[03:08] <jrick> no
[03:08] <jrick> you want everything
[03:08] <jrick> ?
[03:08] <Pollywog> show the part that stats ii
[03:08] <Pollywog> starts with ii
[03:08] <jrick> ii  hal                                     0.5.9-1ubuntu2~feisty1                  Hardware Abstraction Layer
[03:08] <Pollywog> just the one line
[03:08] <Pollywog> k
[03:09] <Pollywog> k this will take a while
[03:09] <Pollywog> I am trying to find something
[03:09] <Aresilek> Does anyone know how to install Planeshift?
[03:11] <hitmanWilly> Aresilek: download it?
[03:11] <daleach> can I have tomcat use sun's jvm if I install the ubuntu tomcat package?
[03:11] <Aresilek> hitmanWilly: i already have
[03:12] <Aresilek> it wont install
[03:12] <Aresilek> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[03:12] <hitmanWilly> Aresilek: what error does it spit out?
[03:12] <Aresilek> hitmanWilly: Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[03:13] <hitmanWilly> Aresilek: there's not much you can do about that other than recompiling it yourself
[03:13] <Aresilek> :-O
[03:13] <Aresilek> what causing it?
[03:14] <hitmanWilly> Aresilek: bad binary design
[03:14] <Aresilek> :-O
[03:14] <Aresilek> what does that mean?
[03:14] <Dekkard> or it could be that there are incompatabilities 2iwth some of kubuntus /ubuntus libs
[03:14] <Dekkard> download the source and see iof you can compile it
[03:15] <Aresilek> :-S
[03:15] <Aresilek> planeshift is a very hard game to compile
[03:15] <Dekkard> what??
[03:15] <Pollywog> jrick
[03:15] <hitmanWilly> Dekkard: i think planeshift only has cvs repos....that'll be fun...
[03:15] <jrick> yeah
[03:15] <Pollywog> cd /var/lib/dpkg/info
[03:15] <Kr4t05> Alright... I'm officially angry at my DVD+/-RW drive.
[03:16] <Pollywog> ls hal*
[03:16] <jrick> hal.conffiles  hal-info.list  hal-info.md5sums  hal.list  hal.md5sums  hal.postinst  hal.postrm  hal.preinst  hal.prerm
[03:16] <Pollywog> k
[03:16] <Aresilek> hitmanWilly: u know of the game right?
[03:17] <hitmanWilly> Aresilek: played around with it a little, but never on my kubuntu box
[03:17] <Dekkard> did you run psclient?
[03:17] <jrick> i'm not the only one
[03:17] <jrick> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84872
[03:17] <hitmanWilly> Aresilek: so it could be a lib incompatibility
[03:17] <Aresilek> ok :-S
[03:18] <Pollywog> jrick did you do a apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:18] <Dekkard> did yourun the fixlibs script?
[03:18] <Pollywog> or try to upgrade your distro?
[03:18] <Pollywog> from one to another?
[03:18] <Aresilek> fixlibs script?
[03:18] <jrick> no, did a fresh install of fiesty
[03:18] <Pollywog> k
[03:19] <Dekkard> Aresilek:  there is a whole thread on the forums on installign on linux..
[03:19] <jrick> i did upgrade to kde 3.5.7 though
[03:19] <Pollywog> jrick how did you do that?
[03:19] <Dekkard>  they highlight specific libs problems.. i suggest you do sowe work
[03:19] <jrick> but i don't see how this would make a difference
[03:19] <Dekkard> some
[03:19] <jrick> it's on kubuntu's home page
[03:19] <Pollywog> k
[03:20] <Dekkard> the nex time you deal with 5th party aosftware and have a prollem.. it would be best if you researched it at THAT site.,. they have a forum .. and talk about issues with installing the planeshift client on linux
[03:21] <Aresilek> !paste
[03:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:22] <jrick> Pollywog: oh well, i'll just ask on #ubuntu
[03:22] <Pollywog> k
[03:22] <jrick> this isn't kde specific i don't think
[03:22] <jrick> those gnome's could help me, right?
[03:22] <Pollywog> yes I think so
[03:22] <jrick> k
[03:22] <Pollywog> someone might know
[03:23] <Rictoo> `run cat --help
[03:23] <rafleg`> Usage: cat [OPTION]  [FILE] ...
[03:23] <rafleg`> Concatenate FILE(s), or standard input, to standard output.
[03:23] <rafleg`> 
[03:23] <rafleg`>   -A, --show-all           equivalent to -vET
[03:23] <rafleg`>   -b, --number-nonblank    number nonblank output lines
[03:23] <Rictoo> ...
[03:23] <Rictoo> guys
[03:23] <Rictoo> I wanted to ask a question
[03:23] <Rictoo> how do i do math through terminal?
[03:23] <Rictoo> like this won't work:
[03:23] <Rictoo> `run echo 1+1
[03:23] <rafleg`> 1+1
[03:23] <Rictoo> see?
[03:24] <n8k99> Rictoo you could python print 1 + 1
[03:24] <Rictoo> how would I do that?
[03:24] <Rictoo> `run print 1+1
[03:24] <Rictoo> :S
[03:24] <Rictoo> nothing...
[03:24] <n8k99> type "python print 1 + 1"
[03:25] <Rictoo> `run python print 1 + 1
[03:25] <Rictoo> ok
[03:25] <Rictoo> prolly works
[03:25] <Aresilek> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22805/
[03:25] <Rictoo> just not through my bot :p
[03:25] <Aresilek> :-S
[03:25] <Jucato> Rictoo: echo $[1+1] 
[03:25] <Rictoo> ok
[03:25] <Rictoo> `run echo $[1+1] 
[03:25] <rafleg`> $[1+1] 
[03:25] <Rictoo> ...
[03:25] <Rictoo> ok
[03:25] <Rictoo> it works through terminal
[03:25] <Rictoo> <3
[03:25] <n8k99> ah finally an expert!
[03:26] <Rictoo> just not through my bot :9
[03:26] <Jucato> oh you were referring to me? heheh
[03:26] <Jucato> hi n8k99!
[03:26] <Rictoo> `run echo OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG THIS IS MY BOT <3
[03:26] <rafleg`> OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG THIS IS MY BOT <3
[03:26] <Jucato> bash's math is very simple, doesn't do floating point afaik
[03:26] <Jucato> !caps | Rictoo
[03:26] <ubotu> Rictoo: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[03:26] <Rictoo> lol
[03:26] <Rictoo> it was my bot
[03:26] <Rictoo> not me :D
[03:27] <Dekkard> ] /version rafleg`
[03:27] <Rictoo> anyway, thanks all
[03:27] <Aresilek> ur bot wasn't brought up on it
[03:27] <Rictoo> cmon rafleg` let's go somewhere else now :)
[03:27] <Rictoo> `part #kubuntu
[03:27] <Rictoo> :)
[03:27] <Jucato> pfft
[03:31] <jrick> Pollywog, no one on #ubuntu is helping me, they have like 1000+ people on unlike the 400 some in here
[03:31] <jrick> i'll think i'll just post in on the forums
[03:31] <Pollywog> oic
[03:31] <Pollywog> k
[03:45] <xlinux__> anyone here?
[03:46] <Minataku> Nope
[03:46] <Minataku> All 356 of us are fake
[03:46] <Minataku> Turns out you're dreaming
[03:46] <xlinux__> haha.. doesnt seem active for 356 people...
[03:46] <Minataku> Dreaming of asking for help with Kubuntu
[03:46] <Minataku> X3
[03:46] <xlinux__> hey, gotta quick question
[03:47] <Minataku> And maybe I can even answer it
[03:47] <Minataku> XD
[03:47] <n8k99> xlinux__: ask and you might get an answer
[03:47] <xlinux__> how do I play .iso dvd files with Kaffeine
[03:47] <Minataku> Good question. Too good.
[03:47] <xlinux__> I have the .iso file, but kaffeine doesnt recognize it
[03:48] <n8k99> is not an .iso the same format as the installation
[03:48] <xlinux__> yeah.. I believe it is..
[03:48] <n8k99> i don't think you want to 'play' a dvd with a distro installation
[03:48] <Minataku> Uh
[03:48] <Minataku> No, n8k99
[03:48] <Minataku> It's an image of a DVD
[03:48] <Minataku> Bit-for-bit
[03:49] <n8k99> ah right-
[03:49] <n8k99> thanx
[03:49] <xlinux__> oh no.. this is a dvd image
[03:49] <Minataku> np
[03:49] <Minataku> Happens to us all
[03:49] <Minataku> I call it "Momentary DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH Syndrome"
[03:49] <Minataku> XD
[03:50] <n8k99> then would you need decss or what ever its called?
[03:50] <n8k99> the dvd decoding libs?
[03:50] <ardchoille> libdvdcss2
[03:51] <n8k99> yes that's the one- would you need that to be able to read an .iso
[03:51] <xlinux__> no, i dont think so.. i can play the DVD from disk. I cant read an .iso stored on the hard drive...
[03:52] <ardchoille> n8k99: That lib is for viewing dvd movies that use the Content Scrambling System as a protection
[03:52] <n8k99> of course it is!
[03:52] <n8k99> ^_^
[03:53] <n8k99> xlinux__: can you open the .iso with vlc?
[03:53] <ardchoille> I regularly mount read, create, etc iso files on another box that doesn't have that lib installed
[03:54] <xlinux__> n8k99: wow, well yes I can...
[03:54] <n8k99> sweet!
[03:54] <xlinux__> is there any plugin to allow Kaffeine to play this as VLC does?
[03:55] <xlinux__> Im cool with VLC if necessary.. just like Kaffeine...
[03:56] <xlinux__> 06:55:58 PM: xine: couldn't find demux for >/home/xlinux/.kde/tmp-xlinux-laptop/time_to_kill_side1_16x9.iso<
[03:58] <hendaus> ardchoille: r u there?
[04:00] <ardchoille> hendaus: No, I'm over here
[04:00] <ardchoille> :)
[04:02] <hendaus> ardchoille:  :( , i am stlling mad
[04:02] <Aresilek> how do i add myself to the games group<'
[04:02] <Aresilek> ?
[04:03] <hendaus> ardchoille:  look this --> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22768/
[04:03] <hendaus> maybe u are the one :)
[04:04] <ardchoille> hendaus: I don't use gnokii and don't even know what it is. I can't believe you're still messing with it.
[04:04] <Aresilek> How do i add myself to the games group?
[04:04] <ardchoille> sudo adduser username groupname
[04:05] <Aresilek> thx ardchoille
[04:05] <defcon_> which is better, crossoverlinux professional or wine?
[04:05] <defcon_> i know its the same thing but which is updated the most, etc
[04:05] <xlinux__> vlc media player is pretty nice...
[04:05] <hendaus> ardchoille:  ok thanx anyway, let me fight :)
[04:05] <defcon_> vlc rocks
[04:06] <ardchoille> hendaus: You're persistent, I'll give you credit for that :)
[04:06] <billytwowilly> anyone know of an applet that can countdown to a date?
[04:07] <Aresilek> ardchoille: do i need to restart after that pr anything?
[04:07] <hendaus> ardchoille:  i think anyone can help me, coz there is no credit :)
[04:08] <ardchoille> Aresilek: No need to restart. What are you trying to accomplish?
[04:09] <Aresilek> to play a game
[04:09] <Aresilek> it wont start
[04:09] <Aresilek> it's in opt/planeshift
[04:09] <ardchoille> How are you launching it?
[04:09] <Aresilek> and it has a big padlock on it :-S
[04:09] <Aresilek> it wont let me in
[04:09] <Aresilek> a shortcut on my desktop
[04:10] <_6StringKng_> !ATI
[04:10] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:10] <Aresilek> i'm gonna try relogin
[04:13] <trakinas> does anyone knows any good "icon bar" for superkaramba?
[04:14] <trakinas> (and Im with 226MB being used! o.o scaring)
[04:14] <compilerwriter> I have found a sound theme that I would like to try.  The Deb instructions to install the thing are to extract the tarball.  Then to use su -p to run an install script.
[04:14] <josh__> im trying to install google earth and i have a bin file
[04:14] <josh__> how do i execute it
[04:14] <Aresilek> It works!
[04:14] <compilerwriter> I have no problem with the tar thing, but do I just sudo the shell script or is there a sudo -p or some sort of equivalent I need to use?
[04:15] <trakinas> josh__: first, open konsole and check if it permisions: ls -lh google-earth.bin (whatever it is named)
[04:16] <trakinas> if it is executable, it will show smth like "rwxrw--r-- user group file"
[04:17] <trakinas> the X indicates it is executable. if does, then ./google-earth.bin
[04:17] <trakinas> if not, give executable properties: chmod +x file
[04:17] <josh__> -rw-r--r-- 1
[04:18] <Grant> eh
[04:18] <Grant> with VMWare, can you access the HD that your VMWare HD is on?
[04:18] <K1765> Hey all, I need help partitioning my HD, could anyone private message me?
[04:19] <josh__> ok so what now
[04:19] <josh__> oh ok
[04:19] <trakinas> josh__: tried chmod +x file?
[04:20] <K1765> Or could someone give me a link, that clearly explains how to parition
[04:20] <josh__> yup
[04:20] <josh__> thx
[04:20] <trakinas> you are welcome! :] 
[04:20] <trakinas> K1765: on windows?
[04:20] <trakinas> !install kubuntu
[04:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about install kubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:20] <trakinas> !partitioning
[04:20] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:20] <K1765> ty.. im on kubuntu right now.. I just need help partitioning =p
[04:21] <ardchoille> !install
[04:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[04:21] <K1765> !gparted
[04:21] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[04:22] <david_> hello
[04:23] <trakinas> on kubuntu try also qtparted.
[04:23] <trakinas> !qtparted
[04:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qtparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:23] <trakinas> ops
[04:23] <Minataku> Assbot
[04:23] <trakinas> !QTParted
[04:23] <K1765> !QTParted
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> !info qtparted
[04:23] <K1765> >.>
[04:23] <ubotu> qtparted: A parted frontend using QT. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.5-2ubuntu12 (feisty), package size 206 kB, installed size 720 kB
[04:23] <Minataku> It's not case sensitive
[04:23] <Minataku> It's just stupid
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> when in doubt, use !info :)
[04:25] <K1765> When partitioning, if I do "Guided - Use entire disk" would that screw up windows?
[04:25] <Jucato> the !info trigger is now necessary for displaying package information.
[04:27] <josh__> google earth is being REALLLLLY slow
[04:27] <josh__> 1 frame every 2 seconds
[04:30] <tinin> josh__ check out that you have 3d acceleration
[04:31] <josh__> i do
[04:31] <josh__> for sure
[04:33] <trakinas> soooo... what about nice karamba icon bars?
[04:34] <K1765> !gtparted
[04:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gtparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:35] <Jucato> !info gparted | K1765
[04:35] <ubotu> k1765: gparted: GNOME partition editor. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.5-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 316 kB, installed size 1588 kB
[04:36] <nico_> i'm having a heck of a time installing the nvidia drivers for a GeForce4 4800 SE. the packages available through adept don't work at all, and i just tried the driver from nvidia.com. now it's saying "sh: /sbin/lrm-video: not found", when i try to "modprobe nvidia" ... which package provides /sbin/lrm-video?
[04:37] <tinin> nico_ try envy package by alberto milone
[04:38] <nico_> ok
[04:38] <walkerd> quit
[04:38] <walkerd> exit
[04:38] <walkerd> quit
[04:38] <hakaisou> pardon, could someone explain to me what this means?
[04:38] <Jucato> nico_: when you installed nvidia-glx, did you also install linux-restricted-modules-generic?
[04:38] <hakaisou> !paste
[04:38] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:38] <nico_> Jucato: yes
[04:38] <Jucato> nico_: then you ran "sudo nvidia-xconfig" ?
[04:38] <josh__> im using ati driver
[04:39] <nico_> Jucato: yeah. i've set up nvidia cards on about 8 different computers running linux before, three of those kubuntu machines
[04:39] <hakaisou> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22806/
[04:39] <Jucato> nico_: hm.. strange then. you're having problems only with this video card? :/
[04:39] <hakaisou> can someone explain that that means?
[04:39] <nico_> Jucato: yup
[04:39] <Jucato> hakaisou: you don't have "build-essential" installed, do you?
[04:40] <nico_> Jucato: with the (k)ubuntu provided packages, it kept on trying to load the 97xx series driver instead of the 96xx version
[04:40] <Jucato> nico_: er... edgy or feisty?
[04:40] <nico_> even though i had installed only 9631
[04:40] <compilerwriter> I am trying to customize my prompt but am having issues with figuring out how to do it in bash could someone please tell me what I am doing incorrectly?
[04:40] <nico_> Jucato: feisty
[04:40] <hakaisou> twould seem not.  thanks jucato
[04:40] <Jucato> nico_: hm.. are you sure you installed "nvidia-glx" and not "nvidia-glx-new"?
[04:40] <nico_> Jucato: absolutely
[04:41] <Jucato> compilerwriter: you might try ##bash (or is it #bash )
[04:41] <Jucato> might want to*
[04:41] <nico_> this is my friend's computer who i'm trying to impress with linux's coolness. it's not working so well
[04:41] <Aresilek> how can i get WoW to work in wine?
[04:41] <Jucato> oh :(
[04:41] <Jucato> !wow
[04:41] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[04:41] <Jucato> Aresilek: try that ^^^ or see if #winehq has some answers
[04:41] <nico_> Jucato: i installed and messed around with nvidia-glx, completely purged it out of frustration and tried again. i've done that 3 or 4 times now
[04:42] <compilerwriter> nico_  are you trying to impress the same person you were a few weeks ago?
[04:42] <nico_> Jucato: now i've moved on to trying the scripted installer from nvidia.com
[04:42] <nico_> compilerwriter: a few weeks ago?
[04:43] <nico_> compilerwriter: perhaps you're thinking of another nico?
[04:43] <Jucato> nico_: the installer from nvidia.com will work if you don't have nvidia-kernel-common and any linux-restricted-modules package installed
[04:43] <nico_> Jucato: i know. i removed them already and have pkg-config and my kernel headers installed
[04:43] <compilerwriter> It seems to me nico_ that someone using the same nick was trying the same thing a few weeks back.
[04:43] <hakaisou> go figure....  i go through the trouble to compile software, and what do you know?!  it's in the repository
[04:43] <nico_> compilerwriter: that's odd.
[04:43] <c|p> for some reason KDE just started to go extremely slow, any reason why it would do this so suddenly?
[04:43] <c|p> it was working quickly and fine a couple sessions ago
[04:44] <Jucato> hakaisou: it always pays to search the repos first :)
[04:44] <jonathan_> maybe a virus c|p?
[04:44] <hakaisou> indeed
[04:44] <jonathan_> sorry had to throw that out
[04:44] <compilerwriter> nico_ I was just wondering if you were out prosilitizing again or if you were still trying to tackle the same old bugaboo. :-)
[04:44] <c|p> jonathan_: i havent download anything outside of adept
[04:44] <hakaisou> jonathan_  are you new to linux?
[04:45] <nico_> compilerwriter: i'm a different nico
[04:45] <jonathan_> no i made a funny hakaisou
[04:45] <hakaisou> ok just making sure :D
[04:45] <jonathan_> but i guess not to funny...
[04:45] <jonathan_> too*
[04:45] <hakaisou> no not really
[04:45] <hakaisou> XFD
[04:45] <c|p> well, any ideas? =\
[04:45] <jonathan_> installed beryl/xgl/aiglx/compiz?
[04:46] <nico_> c|p: what software did you install in the last few sessions?
[04:46] <c|p> hmm
[04:46] <c|p> openarena, eclipse
[04:46] <c|p> xchat
[04:46] <c|p> i do have beryl but dont use it
[04:46] <jonathan_> use top
[04:46] <nico_> yeah. check your cpu usage with top, like jonathan said
[04:46] <nico_> see which program is bogging your computer down
[04:47] <nico_> now help me
[04:47] <nico_> i want opengl
[04:47] <c|p> Xorg
[04:47] <c|p> rumbling at about 28-33% cpu
[04:48] <c|p> nevermind that
[04:48] <c|p> its 87-100%
[04:48] <c|p> =\
[04:48] <nico_> is there any way to find out which package provides a certain file? i know that i need /sbin/lrm-video, but i don't know which package i should install to get that?
[04:48] <c|p> so, new question: why is Xorg whoring my cpu?
[04:49] <K1765> How do I get windows media files to run on kubuntu?
[04:49] <nico_> w32codecs
[04:49] <Cryoniq> Hi! Is there a way to enable so that a ethernet card can work at the same time as a wireless card with WPA-TKIP works?
[04:49] <Cryoniq> When I enable the wireless the ethernet is disabled in 7.04
[04:49] <nico_> !w32codecs
[04:49] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[04:50] <nico_> so can we get back to my nvidia problem? anyone else have a geforce4 4800 se?
[04:50] <trakinas> 21532k used! o.o
[04:50] <Cryoniq> I am using the wpasupplicant, knetworkmanager along with gnome-network-manager and network-manager
[04:51] <trakinas> ops. 421532k
[04:51] <trakinas> that's toooo much.
[04:51] <Aresilek> how can i get the drivers for my intel 950 graphics card?
[04:53] <Cryoniq> nico I am not sure but I have a feeling that there is some info over at wiki.ubuntu.org searching for nvidia and maybe a hardware support list is around there. Otherwize I think the GeForce4 is in Kubuntu along with the nvidia stuff
[04:53] <xlinux__> Aresilek; you try the restricted modules in the repos
[04:53] <Aresilek> hm?
[04:54] <Aresilek> i think i may have done that already
[04:54] <xlinux__> hmmm... lemme take a look
[04:54] <Aresilek> is that from the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[04:54] <c|p> right
[04:54] <nico_> can someone see if they have the file /sbin/lrm-video and figure out which package provided it?
[04:55] <c|p> back to my question: Xorg is maxing my CPU, whats up with it?
[04:55] <trakinas> there is too much memory in use!
[04:55] <xlinux__> no.. thats playing restricted filesv with codecs
[04:56] <nico_> what is this "envy" and where do i get it?
[04:56] <Hirvinen> nico_: http://packages.ubuntu.org
[04:56] <nico_> is it in the apt repositories?
[04:56] <nico_> apt-get install envy?
[04:56] <nico_> nope
[04:57] <Hirvinen> nico_: You can also do sudo aptitude install apt-file && sudo apt-file update && sudo apt-file search /sbin/lrm-video
[04:58] <Hirvinen> Which would tell you that linux-restricted modules has it.
[04:58] <Hirvinen> Whoops, linux-restricted-modules-common
[04:59] <c|p> well
[04:59] <c|p> i think i found part of the problem
[04:59] <Aresilek> why is ubuntu help site a secure site?
[04:59] <c|p> Xorg seems to  keep making new processes of itself
[04:59] <LastMall> sun-java6-jre is what we want for browsing sites ?
[04:59] <SeanTater> About how fast should a wireless-g network be?
[05:00] <trakinas> LastMall: in firefox, you want blackdown j2re
[05:00] <crimsun> LastMall: likely sun-java6-plugin
[05:00] <Minataku> SeanTater: 54Mbps
[05:00] <crimsun> (or sun-java5-plugin)
[05:00] <Hirvinen> Aresilek: It's a wiki, where people log in to edit. Running a site with user accounts without SSL encryption is sinful.
[05:00] <Minataku> That's LAN only
[05:00] <trakinas> because java plugin for firefox use blackdown hava, and not sun
[05:00] <Minataku> WAN is limited to what your ISP gives you
[05:01] <xlinux__> Areslisk: i dont know... i dont see any restricted packs for the intel 950
[05:01] <SeanTater> Minataku: "dd" says I'm getting 2552Mbps
[05:01] <Minataku> SeanTater: Uh, dd isn't a network benchmark tool
[05:02] <SeanTater> Minataku: dd blahblah | nc -ulp
[05:02] <Minataku> Yeah, dd isn't for that
[05:02] <Aresilek> ok Hirvinen, but few others if any do it
[05:02] <ses1959_> off subject but thought i migh get feed back is faster ram memory better or a faster processor better
[05:02] <jayteelin> hello - any change I could get some help ?
[05:02] <Aresilek> i've never seen it
[05:02] <LastMall> i'm using opera browser and I'm gonna give this sun-java6-jre a spin
[05:02] <Dragnslcr> ses1959_- depends on what the computer is doing
[05:02] <jayteelin> i want to install kubuntu on my e1505
[05:02] <SeanTater> Minataku: okay --
[05:02] <ses1959_> ram is 533 or 667 and process is due 2  or just due
[05:02] <jayteelin> but the live cd won't work
[05:03] <jayteelin> is there a better way to install?
[05:03] <ses1959_> it is a college laptop for my daughter
[05:03] <Minataku> dd is for transferring data between devices and converting a file's encoding from one to another
[05:03] <ses1959_> it is a dell e1505
[05:04] <jayteelin> yes - it's a dell e1505
[05:04] <Dragnslcr> DDR2-667 shouldn't be any more expensive than DDR2-533 anyway
[05:04] <jayteelin> it currently is running vista ultimate (sucks)
[05:04] <Dragnslcr> And a Core 2 Duo will most likely be faster than a Core Duo
[05:04] <Hirvinen> ses1959_: Whether adding more or faster RAM or a faster processor would help more depends entirely on your use profile.
[05:04] <Aresilek> jayteelin: why doesn't the live cd work?
[05:05] <Aresilek> e1505 = 6400 if i'm correct?
[05:05] <dwidmann> jayteelin: the alternate cd is nice, but if the live cd doesn't work, you may have trouble after installation
[05:05] <Aresilek> i had trbl running it at first
[05:05] <ses1959_> ok i think word processing and term papers but been long time since i was therr
[05:05] <ses1959_> there
[05:05] <jayteelin> when I try booting, the little light for the wireless card flashes a bunch of time
[05:05] <jayteelin> then the system won't boot
[05:05] <jayteelin> just a flashing cursor
[05:06] <jayteelin> then, I disabled the wireless and bluetooth and try booting up
[05:06] <jayteelin> still nothing
[05:06] <badube> Can some one tell me how to get flash working.  I just installed kubuntu and followed all the instructions for getting all the other restricted formats to work.  It also took some doing gett imbeded mov files to play in konqueror...
[05:06] <c|p> can _anyone_ give me some help
[05:06] <jayteelin> it just sits there
[05:06] <Hirvinen> !anyone | c|p
[05:06] <ubotu> c|p: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[05:06] <jayteelin> i haven't tried the alternate CD
[05:06] <Aresilek> hmmm
[05:06] <dwidmann> !ask | c|p
[05:06] <ubotu> c|p: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:06] <c|p> Hirvinen: i have been asking but i havent received an answer
[05:06] <Aresilek> mine used to say software lockup on cpu #0
[05:06] <ses1959_> cost difference is 25.00 for faster memory and 60.00 for faster processor
[05:06] <Hirvinen> badube: !Flash doesn't work for you?
[05:06] <jayteelin> is there a 'minimum' CD like gentoo has?
[05:06] <badube> !flash
[05:06] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[05:07] <dwidmann> c|p, well, it's long since out of the screen
[05:07] <c|p> then i will ask again
[05:07] <Dragnslcr> ses1959_- an extra $25 for DDR2-667 over 533 is kind of a rip-off
[05:07] <badube> I have all the rpos enabled and there is no flashplugin-nonfree in any of them.
[05:07] <badube> I mean repos...
[05:07] <Aresilek> jayteelin: turning off the wireless does help it boot a lot faster
[05:07] <c|p> Xorg is maxing my CPU, it seems to be making new processes of itself recursively
[05:07] <Aresilek> jayteelin: how long did you wait before giving up?
[05:07] <Dragnslcr> ses1959_- an extra $60 to go from a Core to a Core 2 is probably worth it
[05:07] <dwidmann> badube: you could just download it from adobe's website
[05:08] <Aresilek> jayteelin: it does take a long time
[05:08] <jayteelin> I gave it about 10 mins after I saw the kubuntu screen
[05:08] <Hirvinen> c|p: Sorry, but there's a lot of talking here right now(and usually all the time). I, for one only see the last minute or two.
[05:08] <dwidmann> c|p: that's really weird, anything special about your setup that might make it do that? When did the problem start?
[05:08] <ses1959_> ok thank you i will get the core 2 and leave the memory at 533
[05:08] <c|p> dwidmann: a few sessions ago
[05:08] <c|p> i just installed kubuntu a few hours ago to
[05:09] <mas195> can someone direct in extracting files from a .bin file?
[05:09] <jayteelin> i just wanted to try out the distro before doing an actual 'install' on the machine
[05:09] <ShadyTree> do you ask that every day
[05:09] <ses1959_> i think the computer will be fast enought to start college and will change ram later if I want to easer to change ram than processor
[05:09] <dwidmann> c|p: have you made any changes to the xorg.conf or installed anything that might be buggy or troublesome in the last few hours then?
[05:09] <dr_willis> mas195,  a .bin could be ANYTHING. :) what is the  thing supposed to be?
[05:09] <c|p> dwidmann: nope, ive had no reason to make any changes
[05:09] <Hirvinen> c|p: Command top shows several instances of Xorg?
[05:09] <Aresilek> jayteelin: and you shut down vista properly right?
[05:09] <mas195> the new java runtime files
[05:10] <c|p> Hirvinen: only one, but when i continuously ps ux | grep xorg the pid increases every time
[05:10] <jayteelin> I did 'full' shutdown before starting from the CD
[05:10] <ses1959_> have nice evening and thanks for in put
[05:10] <dr_willis> mas195,  if its a self-insgtalling executable ya chmod +x it and sudo whatever..bin
[05:10] <crrj> My pistons lost last month, requiring a new engine in the car :S
[05:10] <LastMall> i got flash to work in opera by downloading the flash tgz and then dumping the files in the plugins folder
[05:10] <mas195> i don't know anything about linux, trying to learn but the training software that i am using requires the new runtime
[05:10] <mas195> so i don't kow what sudo is or how to use it
[05:11] <c|p> sudo runs a command as root
[05:11] <c|p> sudo <command>
[05:11] <dwidmann> c|p: that might be normal, mine does that too
[05:11] <Aresilek> jayteelin: well it's not the problem i was getting, i was getting software lock up on CPU #0
[05:11] <Aresilek> jayteelin: apart from that it would just boot slowly
[05:11] <c|p> dwidmann: but mine is hogging all of my cpu
[05:11] <jayteelin> i wasn't sure where to look for an error - the computer just kinda sits there....
[05:11] <Hirvinen> ses1959_: I'd max out RAM. I personally wouldn't buy a computer with less than 1 GB and even with 1 GB I'd make sure it could be upgraded to at least 2 GB.
[05:11] <dwidmann> c|p: must be hogging it for some other reason
[05:11] <c|p> hrm =\
[05:11] <c|p> i havent done anything to it though
[05:12] <jayteelin> how much longer should i give it?
[05:12] <jayteelin> how much longer do I give it before giving up?
[05:12] <Aresilek> jayteelin: i didn't have any text?
[05:12] <dwidmann> c|p: what X driver are you using? X will hog a lot of cpu if it has to draw everything using the cpu instead of the graphics card
[05:12] <BluesKaj> interesting that opera was the only browser able to DL a pdf document that konq, FF and IE couldn't handle
[05:12] <jayteelin> no text - just a blinking cursor in the top left
[05:12] <Aresilek> jayteelin: i think 10 mins was enough
[05:12] <c|p> hold on dwidmann
[05:12] <c|p> ill be right back
[05:12] <jayteelin> when I booted with the wireless *on*
[05:12] <Aresilek> jayteelin: weird, did u do the check cd for defects option?
[05:12] <jayteelin> i got a message when i turned it off with fn+f2
[05:12] <epsi_> yay :D hi
[05:13] <jayteelin> i'm going to re-burn the CD from a different computer to see if that's the problem
[05:13] <mas195> dr_willis, i don't know what sudo is or how to use it...
[05:13] <c|p> ok
[05:13] <jayteelin> and no, I didn't do the check CD option
[05:13] <c|p> dwidmann: say again, i couldnt see what you typed
[05:13] <jayteelin> i could try that and come back here?
[05:13] <dwidmann> c|p: what X driver are you using? X will hog a lot of cpu if it has to draw everything using the cpu instead of the graphics card
[05:13] <c|p> dwidmann: im not sure what driver im using, its whatever kubuntu decided
[05:14] <c|p> i have an ati radeon x300 if you need to know
[05:14] <Aresilek> jayteelin: yeah you could
[05:14] <Hirvinen> c|p: ps ux shows Xorg?
[05:14] <dwidmann> c|p: it's probably using the generic ati driver, might be worthwhile to give fglrx a go and see if it works out
[05:14] <dwidmann> !ati
[05:14] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:14] <BluesKaj> fglrx proprietary most likely
[05:14] <jayteelin> thanks Aresilek, I'll give it a shot
[05:14] <c|p> Hirvinen: yes, dwidmann ill try it
[05:14] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: in linux you are, by default, not an administrator on your machine.  This is usually for security reasons.  If you need to do something as an administrator then you normally prefix the command with "sudo"  (for example.. sudo ./<filename>.bin)..
[05:15] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: in linux you are, by default, not an administrator on your machine.  This is usually for security reasons.  If you need to do something as an administrator then you normally prefix the command with "sudo"  (for example.. sudo ./<filename>.bin)..
[05:15] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: in linux you are, by default, not an administrator on your machine.  This is usually for security reasons.  If you need to do something as an administrator then you normally prefix the command with "sudo"
[05:15] <c|p> bash: fglrx: command not found
[05:15] <c|p> =\
[05:15] <dogatemycomputer> asdflkjsjfd
[05:15] <BluesKaj> c|p : http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[05:15] <dwidmann> !ati | c|p
[05:15] <ubotu> c|p: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:16] <Hirvinen> c|p: That's weird, because on my computer, ps ux doesn't show it at all. ps -e however, shows.
[05:16] <dwidmann> Hirvinen: c|p was mentioning that it's pid kept going up ... seems that might be normal though (mine does it)
[05:17] <Hirvinen> c|p: Just make sure that "ps ux | grep -i xorg" doesn't just show you the process "grep -i xorg", with *that* process's pid going up every time.
[05:17] <c|p> Hirvinen: it isnt
[05:18] <Hirvinen> Ok, just checking since that's what it did on my computer. I wonder where the difference comes from.
[05:18] <c|p> well, im going to see what i can do
[05:18] <Minataku> I upgraded my Macintosh Classic today, now it has 4MB of RAM instead of just 2MB :D
[05:19] <Minataku> I happened to have some 1MB SIMMs I pulled from another Mac
[05:19] <trakinas> gtg
[05:19] <dwidmann> Minataku: Oh my, a whole 2 mb of ram
[05:19] <phlawless> hello all
[05:19] <trakinas> cheers all!
[05:19] <Minataku> dwidmann: I know, I know, it's overkill
[05:19] <mas195> ok, i tried the sudo command and was prompted for a password but then when it attempted to execute the command i was presented with a command not found error...
[05:19] <phlawless> still checking to see if anyone currently on has gotten www.linuxmce.com installed
[05:19] <Minataku> Practically bulging at the seams now
[05:19] <phlawless> the apps that is
[05:19] <Minataku> XD
[05:20] <dwidmann> Minataku: have you had the chance to play with that SGI computer you picked up the other day yet?
[05:20] <Minataku> dwidmann: Not yet
[05:21] <Minataku> I still need the following: IRIX 6.5 install media, Monitor with Sync-on-Green
[05:21] <BluesKaj> mas195, what command ?
[05:21] <Minataku> But like I said, in the meantime the Macintosh Classic has enjoyed a boost
[05:22] <Minataku> Two 1MB, 30 pin, non-parity SIMMs
[05:22] <mas195> sudo jre-6ul-linux-i586.bin
[05:22] <masterk> sometimes when I go to web pages it stays on the same page and says it loaded the next page
[05:22] <masterk> does anyone have any idea what's wrong?
[05:22] <Minataku> 8 chips plus one unpopulated site
[05:22] <dwidmann> Minataku: ah, SIMMs ... I haven't seen any of those in a while, how ancient
[05:23] <Minataku> Yep. 30 pin, no less :D
[05:23] <BluesKaj> mas195, sudo ./jre-6ul-linux-i586.bin
[05:23] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: did you try "sudo ./jre-*.bin" ?
[05:24] <masterk> sometimes when I go to web pages it stays on the same page and says it loaded the next page does anyone have any idea what's wrong?
[05:24] <Minataku> Sidenote, at least in System 6.0.8, Multifinder is much smaller than Finder
[05:24] <Minataku> masterk: Perhaps the two are identical
[05:24] <mas195> yes and it presented the same command not found message
[05:24] <BluesKaj> as long as the file was downloaded to your /home file mas195
[05:24] <masterk> google.com and tv-links.co.uk are not identical
[05:25] <mas195> i tried the first command without the ./ in the folder the file is stored in...
[05:25] <BluesKaj> mas195, you have prefix the file with  ./
[05:25] <masterk> its been doing this since I blacklisted ipv6
[05:25] <Minataku> mas195: The ./ is fine
[05:25] <killux> does anyone have a snd_hda_intel soundcard?
[05:25] <Minataku> masterk: Unblacklist it
[05:25] <Minataku> That's a pointless thing to do
[05:25] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: well.. the "./" tells it to look for the file in the existing directory..
[05:25] <masterk> then internet will run really slow...
[05:26] <Minataku> Ah, that problem
[05:26] <Dragnslcr> Don't worry, masterk, the Internet will run fine if you don't blacklist IPv6
[05:26] <masterk> i blacklisted it because it was running slow
[05:27] <mas195> i tried it that way too but it's still saying command not found
[05:27] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: so if it can't find the file then that would at least tell it where to find it.  Its also possible the file isn't marked as an executable.  You can mark it as executable by trying "sudo chmod 777 ./jre*.bin"
[05:27] <Minataku> AHAHAH
[05:27] <Minataku> NOT 777
[05:27] <Minataku> 774
[05:27] <Minataku> Or even 744
[05:27] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: try that then.. 744..
[05:27] <K1765> Whats this mean, wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\help.exe": Module not found
[05:27] <K1765> mike@MichaelsPC:~$ wine helwineserver: could not save registry branch to /home/mike/.wine/system.reg : Permission denied
[05:27] <K1765> wineserver: could not save registry branch to /home/mike/.wine/userdef.reg : Permission denied
[05:27] <K1765> wineserver: could not save registry branch to /home/mike/.wine/user.reg : Permission denied
[05:28] <killux> does anyone have a snd_hda_intel soundcard?
[05:28] <dwidmann> Minataku: you're not being paranoid enough, 700
[05:28] <dogatemycomputer> LOL
[05:28] <Minataku> :P
[05:28] <Minataku> dwidmann: Well excuse me for restricting access to the undeserving members of the "others" category
[05:28] <Minataku> X3
[05:28] <mas195> i tried chmod command but the response is no such file found although i can see it when i do a directory list
[05:29] <BluesKaj> masterk, : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202838
[05:29] <Minataku> mas195: Are you in the directory the file is in?
[05:30] <mas195> yes
[05:30] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: what are you typing to get that directory listening exactly?
[05:30] <Minataku> RAther, what are you typing to chmod it?
[05:30] <mas195> just doing a dir command... or is that wrong
[05:30] <Minataku> Should be using ls
[05:30] <Minataku> You're in Linux, not DOS ;3
[05:30] <dwidmann> lol
[05:31] <dogatemycomputer> well..  dir is a valid command in some linux distros.
[05:31] <dogatemycomputer> could someone tell me if "dir" works in kubuntu?
[05:31] <Minataku> It's a crutch
[05:31] <dwidmann> Minataku: funny thing, I thought dir was an alias for ls, set in the the bash_profile
[05:31] <Minataku> It might be
[05:31] <mas195> i am using kubuntu and thats what i used...
[05:31] <Minataku> But it's still a crutch
[05:31] <Minataku> The Linux command is "ls"
[05:31] <BluesKaj> mas195,./ java*.bin
[05:32] <Minataku> You should learn the language of the place you are in
[05:32] <Minataku> You're in Linux now, learn Linuxese
[05:32] <Minataku> XD
[05:32] <dogatemycomputer> mas195:  don't be too concerned.  some of us are purists so "dir" is a bit, ummm... offensive to some.
[05:32] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: try ls -la and tell me if you see the file still listed..
[05:32] <Minataku> When I use DOS machines, I install ls.exe
[05:32] <Minataku> XD
[05:33] <Minataku> Because it's better :3
[05:33] <dwidmann> All you need to know to understand what goes on this channel is a working knowledge of sh and english :)
[05:33] <dogatemycomputer> Minataku: you're such a purist..
[05:33] <dogatemycomputer> ;)
[05:33] <BluesKaj> purists like to take the long way around sometimes , just to avoid the smell of ms fumes :)
[05:33] <dwidmann> Minataku: but isn't using ls in dos a lot like having a crutch?
[05:33] <mas195> i used ls to see the home folder contents and my file is there.... and with the sudo chmod 744 ./jre-6ul-linux-i586.bin - i still receive the no such file message
[05:33] <Minataku> dwidmann: Who cares? It's DOS.
[05:34] <BluesKaj> gawd ..i give up
[05:34] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: but you see the file in the list when doing "ls -la" .. right?
[05:34] <Minataku> XD
[05:34] <dwidmann> Minataku: why would you be using dos again anyway?
[05:34] <dwidmann> Minataku: who uses dos?
[05:34] <Minataku> dwidmann: Very old computer
[05:34] <Minataku> I'm a collector
[05:34] <Minataku> I have machines from 1980 to 2003
[05:34] <dwidmann> Minataku: can't get linux to run on it at all?
[05:34] <Minataku> dwidmann: I _could_, but it would be insanely useless
[05:35] <mas195> yes
[05:35] <dwidmann> Minataku:  so is DOS
[05:35] <Minataku> One, though, no, no Linux
[05:35] <mas195> the file is present
[05:35] <Minataku> Since it's an 8086
[05:35] <Dragnslcr> mas195- type sudo chmod 744 jre and then hit the tab key
[05:35] <Minataku> dwidmann: It's useful enough as a shell to launch things from
[05:35] <Dragnslcr> Tab-completion > spelling
[05:35] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: well.. i'm curious if the file you're seeing is actually a link to another file someplace else.. not sure how that would happen but i'm curious if its possible.
[05:35] <BluesKaj> wonder if an old pc that ran windows 3.1 could handle a linux distro
[05:35] <Minataku> Not useful as an OS, but useful as a command interpreter to run cool old games
[05:36] <dwidmann> true
[05:36] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: DSL?
[05:36] <Minataku> You'd need a distro from the era
[05:36] <Minataku> Which will be entirely useless
[05:36] <mas195> i tried what Dragnslcr suggested and did not get the error this time... so maybe it was a type-O
[05:37] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: coolness..
[05:37] <Minataku> I did install FreeBSD 2.something on one of mine before
[05:37] <K1765> Why is dam konsole saying wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\help.exe": Module not found
[05:37] <Minataku> But that was also fairly pointless
[05:37] <K1765> mike@MichaelsPC:~$ wine helwineserver: could not save registry branch to /home/mike/.wine/system.reg : Permission denied
[05:37] <K1765> wineserver: could not save registry branch to /home/mike/.wine/userdef.reg : Permission denied
[05:37] <K1765> wineserver: could not save registry branch to /home/mike/.wine/user.reg : Permission denied
[05:37] <masterk> where is the blacklist file?
[05:37] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: is there a reason you didn't just use apt-get to install the java app?
[05:37] <Minataku> It worked, but it was kinda too old
[05:37] <BluesKaj> no , older couple with no internet , but a lively interest in most things ...I'm thinking i could talk them into internet if we could get that old pc going ...very cheap old bastard :)
[05:38] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: I meant damn small linux :P
[05:38] <masterk> !blacklist
[05:38] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add  blacklist <modulename>  to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type  sudo update-initramfs -u 
[05:38] <mas195> i am using kubunto so i used the adept manager to install and update the apps... still learning the rest
[05:38] <BluesKaj> yup, I have floppy somewhere
[05:38] <BluesKaj> damn small linux , i think
[05:38] <dwidmann> thought it took 50mb ... isn't that a bit much for a floppy?
[05:39] <mas195> so i don't about all the basics of using linux from a command prompt... just yet... but i like it better than ms so going to be cracking open alot of books and docs soon
[05:39] <Minataku> Try FreeDOS instead
[05:39] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: I was just curious..  I think the java app is available in adept so you wouldn't need to download/insatll the binary.  Either way.. happy to hear you're trying so no worries either way.
[05:39] <Minataku> mas195: Right, keep strong and keep at it
[05:39] <BluesKaj> yeah , much too much ...no cdrom drive , dunno if i coid even install one on it ...it's so old
[05:39] <Minataku> A Linux a day keeps Microsoft away
[05:39] <Minataku> And so on
[05:39] <Minataku> XD
[05:39] <dogatemycomputer> Minataku: ahahahahahaha
[05:40] <mas195> the adept manager downloaded and installed a much older version without any listings for the newer version...
[05:40] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: so long as it has an IDE controller it probably won't even give you trouble with a half decent one
[05:40] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: i'm taking up php and c++ because of my involvement in linux.
[05:40] <BluesKaj> I have a couple old cdroms , dwidmann
[05:40] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: kinda re-awakened my thirst for knowledge that went stale with Winblowz..
[05:40] <mas195> ok, so now that i got it extracted... is there anything that i need to do to install it?
[05:40] <BluesKaj> both work fine
[05:41] <mas195> i couldn't agree more... i am learning both as well simply because of my line of work
[05:41] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: I have a mountain of them, most of which are outside of my computer, I just don't feel the need to put all of them in the box at once, even though I could :D
[05:41] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: "cd jre<tab>".. then .. well.. you'd have to tell us what files are in the directory.. maybe someone here knows what file to run so the app will intall..
[05:42] <dogatemycomputer> intall = install
[05:42] <BluesKaj> ok, as long as i have the proper ide cable and psu hookup it should go
[05:42] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Should
[05:42] <BluesKaj> ok
[05:42] <Minataku> You'll need a driver for it
[05:42] <Minataku> Which is why I say just go for FreeDOS
[05:43] <mas195> the only things inside that directory are some license texts and some misc folders and a bin folder
[05:43] <BluesKaj> yeah i have a driver
[05:43] <Minataku> DR-DOS 7.03 is _very_ nice
[05:44] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: usually there is a file named "configure" or something very similar.  where did you download the file from?  or what is the exact name?  maybe I can find some info for you.
[05:44] <BluesKaj> i could hep him get the commodore 64 emulation going on it ...he knows that OS , whatever it's called
[05:44] <mas195> i downloaded the runtime directly from sun's website...
[05:46] <dogatemycomputer> downloading now
[05:46] <mas195> ty
[05:46] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: i never looked at the binary.. i always used apt-get.. so i'm a bit ignorant here..
[05:46] <K1765> Umm.. How do I uninstall Kubuntu, so I can reinstall it?
[05:47] <mas195> your ignorance is measure as something close to expert or genious by comparison to my own... :)
[05:47] <K1765> How do I uninstall Kubuntu, so I can reinstall it?
[05:47] <juifsournois> hi :) i get this when trying to compile mplayer with jack support on edgy http://pastebin.ca/515313
[05:48] <Dragnslcr> K1765- just format the disk?
[05:49] <Minataku> DANGER- THIS COMMAND WILL DESTROY ALL DATA ON THE DISK : sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=<device name of the drive> bs=512
[05:49] <Minataku> Then just let it run, but make sure it's what you really want to do first
[05:49] <K-Ryan> I've got a bit of a problem here.
[05:49] <killux> is upgrading from edgy to feisty easy?
[05:49] <K-Ryan> killux: Yes
[05:49] <K-Ryan> I can't seem to empty my trash, and no, it isn't empty.
[05:49] <Minataku> I've got a lot of problems, but those are more for a psychiatrist than a Linux channel
[05:49] <killux> does anyone have snd_hda_intel
[05:49] <Minataku> X3
[05:49] <killux> soundcard
[05:50] <K-Ryan> It won't let me delete a folder that I installed under wine.
[05:50] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Try deleting it manually
[05:50] <K-Ryan> Err
[05:50] <K-Ryan> There are thousands of files
[05:50] <K-Ryan> I'm not even joking
[05:50] <Minataku> That's what wildcards are for
[05:50] <Minataku> Just be really careful
[05:51] <Minataku> That asterisk is like a throwing star
[05:51] <Minataku> Very, very dangerous if used irresponsibly
[05:51] <K-Ryan> And there is no "delete" option when i right click stuff
[05:51] <Dragnslcr> Damn rm-ninjas
[05:51] <K-Ryan> Is there a way for me to root remove it or something through the terminal?
[05:51] <^RiaN^> Minataku: when i change my monitor resolution to 800x600, i can't login anymore
[05:52] <Minataku> ^RiaN^: Then don't do that
[05:52] <^RiaN^> how do i resolve it
[05:52] <Kr4t05> rofl
[05:52] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: no idea..
[05:52] <K-Ryan> Why do you need 800x600? Just out of curiosity,,,
[05:52] <Minataku> ^RiaN^: Try restarting X, if that fails, try changing the resolution back to what it was
[05:52] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: I downloaded the same file.. it looks like you have to copy each of the files individually to their respective directories..
[05:53] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: it doesn't look like a simple procedure..
[05:53] <K-Ryan> Guys is there a way for me to empty my trash through the terminal?
[05:53] <Kr4t05> Apparently, I look like Colin Farrell.
[05:53] <K-Ryan> Anyone?
[05:53] <mas195> well that sounds like no fun at all... how would i use the apt-get method
[05:54] <K-Ryan> !trash
[05:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:54] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Probably, yes
[05:54] <K-Ryan> !delete
[05:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about delete - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:55] <K-Ryan> =(
[05:55] <^RiaN^> Minataku:  how to change monitor resolution from konsole
[05:55] <Minataku> Unfortunately, I don't know where it is
[05:55] <K-Ryan> This is pissing me off
[05:55] <Minataku> ^RiaN^: xrandr
[05:55] <dogatemycomputer> !java
[05:55] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[05:55] <K-Ryan> Oh I might know what to do...
[05:55] <Minataku> !xrandr
[05:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xrandr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:55] <dogatemycomputer> there we go..
[05:55] <Minataku> Oh, piss off, you don't know crap
[05:55] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: "sudo apt-get install sun-java-jre" <-- I think that's right..
[05:55] <K-Ryan> No, really
[05:55] <Minataku> ^RiaN^: Type "man xrandr" and read that
[05:55] <mas195> ok, hang on.. going to try
[05:56] <Minataku> K-Ryan: I was talking to the bot
[05:56] <Minataku> Sorrty
[05:56] <^RiaN^> ok
[05:56] <Minataku> *Sorry
[05:56] <K-Ryan> Oh
[05:56] <Minataku> XD
[05:56] <^RiaN^> i'll try
[05:56] <K-Ryan> It's ok =P
[05:56] <K-Ryan> How do I make myself the owner of the folder?
[05:56] <K-Ryan> I've never had this issue before so I don't know how =)
[05:56] <dogatemycomputer> ~multiverse
[05:56] <dogatemycomputer> !multiverse
[05:56] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:56] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Don't bother, just go into the trash folder and "sudo rm *"
[05:56] <Minataku> If there are directories, you'll have to zap them, too
[05:57] <dwidmann> K-Ryan: ~/.local/share/Trash
[05:57] <K-Ryan> Thanks, I was just about to ask =)
[05:58] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: I think you need to add the multiverse to the repository list..
[05:58] <K-Ryan> Can I not zap it as a whole?
[05:58] <Minataku> Yeah
[05:58] <Minataku> MAKE SURE YOU ARE IN THE TRASH DIRECTORY
[05:58] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: then you can just install it.  I think there is one for the JRE itself.. then another for the firefox plugin..
[05:58] <K-Ryan> There are over a thousand folders =*(
[05:58] <Minataku> Type pwd
[05:58] <Minataku> Tell me what it returns
[05:58] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: does that make sense or did you need help?
[05:59] <K-Ryan> I'm there
[05:59] <Minataku> Type pwd and tell me what it returns
[05:59] <K-Ryan> ~/.local/share/Trash/files
[05:59] <Minataku> There's a bunch in there?
[05:59] <K-Ryan> It says "/home/ryan/.local/share/Trash/files "
[05:59] <K-Ryan> No, it's one folder
[05:59] <mas195> actually, the apt-get command responded with couldn't find package
[05:59] <K-Ryan> Inside that folder are thousands of files + folders
[05:59] <Minataku> k
[05:59] <Minataku> Type "sudo rm -rf *"
[06:00] <Minataku> This will hose everything in the trash
[06:00] <K-Ryan> It's still there
[06:00] <PCVistaOS> what is difference between shit and kubuntu?
[06:00] <Minataku> Bullpies
[06:00] <K-Ryan> Kubuntu is freaking awesome
[06:00] <Minataku> PCVistaOS: One doesn't have you in it.
[06:00] <Minataku> One guess which.
[06:00] <Minataku> Now get outta here
[06:00] <K-Ryan> Heheheh
[06:00] <PCVistaOS> shit is easier to flush away
[06:01] <K-Ryan> PCVistaOS: Don't you have some updates to be installing?
[06:01] <Minataku> !ops
[06:01] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[06:01] <Minataku> Thanks a bunch, nalioth
[06:01] <K-Ryan> He probably needed a reboot anyway =)
[06:01] <Minataku> I guess HE was easier to flush away.
[06:02] <mas195> besides, kubuntu runs better on my laptop than winxp or vista ever did....
[06:02] <K-Ryan> Kubuntu > Windows
[06:02] <K-Ryan> Hell
[06:02] <K-Ryan> Linux > Windows
[06:02] <Minataku> Heehee
[06:02] <mas195> no argument there
[06:02] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: sorry.. I missed that line above..
[06:02] <K-Ryan> =)
[06:02] <mas195> actually, the apt-get command responded with couldn't find package
[06:03] <dogatemycomputer> let me find some documentation for you..
[06:03] <K-Ryan> Thanks Minataku, that did it.
[06:03] <luqman> hi
[06:03] <titanix88> hendaus_:hi :)
[06:03] <K-Ryan> Freed myself of a nice 2 gigs.
[06:03] <K-Ryan> Hi there luqman!
[06:03] <luqman> How are you
[06:03] <Minataku> K-Ryan: No problem
[06:03] <luqman> k-Ryan
[06:03] <K-Ryan> Fine fine, yourself?
[06:03] <luqman> Good
[06:03] <luqman> so whats up
[06:03] <K-Ryan> Glad to hear
[06:03] <K-Ryan> You missed a Vista troll get booted
[06:04] <K-Ryan> By about a minute
[06:04] <kgx> mas195:
[06:04] <luqman> hmm
[06:05] <kgx> mas195: sun-java5-jre or sun-java5-jdk if u need the dsk
[06:05] <kgx> *sdk
[06:05] <dogatemycomputer> sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-fonts
[06:05] <epsi_> how can i make a bash script be executeable everywhere (not depending on the file with the script) ? (only ./command in konsole,)
[06:06] <hendaus_> titanix88:  hi
[06:07] <titanix88> :)
[06:07] <hendaus_> i am on #gnokii titanix88
[06:07] <mas195> that seems to be working perfectly dogatemycomputer
[06:07] <mas195> thank you very much
[06:08] <dwidmann> epsi_: put it in a directory that's in your $PATH
[06:08] <mas195> i have one final problem.... the network manager does not detect my wireless network.... i am thinking that it may be an ipv6 vs. ipv4 problem but don't know how to check it...
[06:09] <epsi_> dwidmann: and which directory is in "my $PATH" oO
[06:09] <mas195> kubuntu found my wireless network adapter but does not see my network.... any thoughts
[06:09] <epsi_> <sorry noob ;D
[06:09] <dwidmann> epsi_: echo $PATH
[06:09] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: that's way beyond me..
[06:09] <mas195> it's all good,  it's all way beyond me at this point
[06:09] <epsi_> hehe thx
[06:09] <mas195> :D
[06:09] <epsi_> the solution is most of the time so easy, you just have to know hot to get there ;D
[06:11] <SkiffX> any of you guys have gnome and kde on the same system?
[06:12] <dwidmann> K-Ryan: I could have counter-questioned the troll now that I think about it. What is the difference between $1 and $2+steam. The steam.
[06:13] <Minataku> >.>
[06:13] <Minataku> I don't get it
[06:14] <dwidmann> Minataku: $1 = Vista, $2 = pile of crap
[06:14] <Minataku> Ah
[06:14] <Minataku> Sorry, it's 12:12AM here X3
[06:14] <dwidmann> Didn't want to be too direct ...
[06:14] <dwidmann> Minataku: same time here
[06:15] <dwidmann> If I hadn't taken that nap I'd have been out a long time ago
[06:15] <dwidmann> punched in at work at 4:16am  ...
[06:15] <dwidmann> and out again at 3pm
[06:15] <mas195> thanks for all the help everyone... will log in again later on.... good night... or morning depending on your point of view...
[06:16] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: you said network manager sees yoru wireless network?
[06:16] <mas195> no, doesn't see the network... only the adapter
[06:17] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: is the knetworkmanager icon on the bottom right hand corner visible?
[06:17] <mas195> yeah...
[06:17] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: is your network hidden? or can you see it from anywhere?
[06:18] <mas195> i have the option to disable the adapter implying that it is enabled but the network doesn't show up when i click on the show networks.... and the network is visible to the public but it wep
[06:18] <dogatemycomputer> mas195: i can tell you that it usually works well if the network is visible and is either unsecured or uses wep.. it doesn't work (or at least not well) with WPA/WPA2.
[06:19] <dogatemycomputer> !wifi
[06:19] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:19] <fogwar> !printer
[06:19] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:20] <mas195> thanks... i will take a look at it tomorrow... i have a test to take and some homework to finish so i will check back later... thanks again for your help
[06:28] <SkiffX> guys is there a synaptic in KDE or it just comes with gnome?
[06:28] <Rictoo> `run echo lol
[06:28] <rafleg`> lol
[06:28] <ardchoille> SkiffX: Synaptic is a gtk2 app but you can use it in kde too
[06:29] <Rictoo> `run apt-get --help
[06:29] <rafleg`> apt 0.6.46.4ubuntu10 for linux i386 compiled on Mar 14 2007 17:43:24
[06:29] <rafleg`> Usage: apt-get [options]  command
[06:29] <rafleg`>        apt-get [options]  install|remove pkg1 [pkg2 ...] 
[06:29] <rafleg`>        apt-get [options]  source pkg1 [pkg2 ...] 
[06:29] <rafleg`> 
[06:29] <Rictoo> :\
[06:29] <Rictoo> sorry guys :\
[06:29] <SkiffX> Rictoo, thanks
[06:29] <Rictoo> ardchoille is the one who answered you o.O
[06:30] <SkiffX> Rictoo, you use apt-get instead of the managers in kde/gnome?
[06:30] <Rictoo> of course
[06:30] <SkiffX> ardchoille, thanks as well :P
[06:30] <Rictoo> but I came to here to actually just show off my bot :D
[06:30] <ardchoille> SkiffX: You're welcome :) Although I only use apt-get
[06:30] <Rictoo> and apt-cache
[06:30] <ardchoille> Yeah
[06:30] <SkiffX> any reason why
[06:30] <Rictoo> `run apt-cache --help
[06:30] <rafleg`> apt 0.6.46.4ubuntu10 for linux i386 compiled on Mar 14 2007 17:43:20
[06:30] <rafleg`> Usage: apt-cache [options]  command
[06:30] <rafleg`>        apt-cache [options]  add file1 [file2 ...] 
[06:30] <rafleg`>        apt-cache [options]  showpkg pkg1 [pkg2 ...] 
[06:30] <rafleg`>        apt-cache [options]  showsrc pkg1 [pkg2 ...] 
[06:30] <Rictoo> SkiffX: It's a ton faster to do it from command line
[06:30] <SkiffX> gotcha
[06:31] <Rictoo> You search for the file you want with apt-cache search file
[06:31] <SkiffX> yeah I suppose I should do it as well
[06:31] <ardchoille> SkiffX: I use screen + irssi + elinks + mutt, there are weeks that go by when I don't even use X
[06:31] <Rictoo> like apt-cache search amsn
[06:31] <SkiffX> ardchoille, damn :)
[06:31] <Rictoo> what's screen, elinks, and mutt? :\
[06:31] <Jack3> sweet new kernel
[06:31] <Rictoo> I'm using irssi right now
[06:31] <Rictoo> it's great
[06:32] <Rictoo> Jack3: ?
[06:32] <ardchoille> elinks is a text web browser, mutt is for email and screen is : Screen  is a full-screen window manager that multiplexes a physical terminal between several processes
[06:32] <Jack3> btw, anyone know why when i boot low latency kernel it causes my wireless driver to disapear...
[06:32] <Jack3> Rictoo: 2.6.20-16
[06:32] <ardchoille> Rictoo: Think of using several text apps in screen and not having to have x at all :)
[06:32] <Rictoo> Jack3: Nice :D
[06:33] <Rictoo> i wonder if this will work:
[06:33] <Rictoo> `run apt-cache search elinks
[06:33] <rafleg`> links-ssl - Dummy package for transition to elinks
[06:33] <rafleg`> wv - Programs for accessing Microsoft Word documents
[06:33] <rafleg`> elinks - advanced text-mode WWW browser
[06:33] <rafleg`> elinks-lite - advanced text-mode WWW browser (lite version)
[06:33] <Rictoo> Obviously not :\
[06:33] <Rictoo> WOAH
[06:33] <Rictoo> IT WORKED!!1 :D
[06:33] <Rictoo> my bot only prints the first 5 lines though
[06:33] <Rictoo> so that it won't really spam
[06:34] <Rictoo> ardchoille: What's the difference between elinks and elinks-lite ?
[06:34] <ardchoille> Rictoo: Don't know, never heard of elinks-lite
[06:35] <lenny> Hi. why colorzilla add-on for firefox doen't work in kubuntu? any idea? substitute? (sorry my english)
[06:35] <ardchoille> Rictoo: One day X broke and I was like pffft.. I'll fix it next week.
[06:35] <Rictoo> lenny: #firefox
[06:35] <Rictoo> ardchoille: haha.
[06:35] <lenny> ok, didn't know ; )
[06:35] <Rictoo> It's ok :)
[06:36] <Rictoo> Life is a learning expierience :D
[06:36] <Rictoo> `s expierience
[06:36] <Rictoo> experience*
[06:36] <Rictoo> there
[06:36] <Rictoo> `run apt-cache search mutt
[06:37] <lenny> ...with linux.
[06:37] <rafleg`> aptitude - terminal-based apt frontend
[06:37] <rafleg`> devscripts - Scripts to make the life of a Debian Package maintainer easier
[06:37] <rafleg`> dictionaries-common - Common utilities for spelling dictionary tools
[06:37] <rafleg`> emacs-goodies-el - Miscellaneous add-ons for Emacs
[06:37] <rafleg`> fetchmail - SSL enabled POP3, APOP, IMAP mail gatherer/forwarder
[06:37] <Rictoo> hmm
[06:37] <Rictoo> mutt...
[06:39] <Rictoo> `run apt-cache search amsn
[06:39] <rafleg`> amsn - An MSN messenger written in tcl
[06:40] <Rictoo> `part #kubuntu
[06:41] <SkiffX> when you do apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade
[06:41] <SkiffX> does all the temporary files get deleted afterwards or not?
[06:46] <dr_willis> SkiffX,  if by temp files you mean the .deb packages its downloading = NO they do not
[06:47] <SkiffX> but do I need them later on or should I delete them or what do you do ?
[06:47] <dr_willis> check /var/cache/apt
[06:47] <dr_willis> i keep them around.
[06:47] <SkiffX> not that Im low on space
[06:47] <dr_willis> I got it set where my 3 pc's all use the same 'pc' to cache the deb packages. that way only 1 box has the files
[06:47] <dr_willis> perhaps once a month i clean it out.
[06:47] <SkiffX> heh nice
[06:48] <dr_willis> yep. thees getting to be mor ework done in that area also.
[06:48] <SkiffX> funny I just ran apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade and 1 min later I was checking X and there on the bottom right side it was indicating that there was more updates available
[06:48] <SkiffX> like 3 more
[06:48] <SkiffX> shouldnt havethat command taken care of that
[06:51] <dr_willis> who knows. :)  im still amazed that it can tell
[06:52] <dr_willis> i noticed/saw some mention of a security 'auto updater' also.. but forget where i saw that at.
[06:52] <dr_willis> staroffice dosent need to be hogging all the internet connection for its updates.  when theres imporntant updates heh .
[06:52] <SkiffX> i c
[06:53] <SkiffX> dr_willis, ever had both gnome and kde installed ?
[06:53] <dr_willis> SkiffX,  thats the standard for my machines. :)
[06:53] <SkiffX> nice
[06:53] <dr_willis> i normally install ubuntu, then install kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop from the start.
[06:53] <SkiffX> because Im not really sure which one I want
[06:53] <dr_willis> and a few other things.
[06:54] <dr_willis> you dont hafve to decide. :) use them both.. Mixx and match the apps.
[06:54] <SkiffX> yep
[06:54] <dr_willis> at the Login Screen theres a menu that people tend to over look to pick what one to use.
[06:54] <SkiffX> I had ubuntu installed
[06:54] <dr_willis> I must have a dozen window managers on this box.
[06:54] <SkiffX> then I installed kubuntu over it
[06:54] <SkiffX> so now Im on kubuntu
[06:55] <SkiffX> so how do I get gnome from kubuntu now?
[06:55] <SkiffX> or is it better to have ubuntu as a base
[06:55] <SkiffX> then get kubuntu desktop?
[06:55] <SkiffX> as well as others
[06:55] <dr_willis> it dosent matter.
[06:55] <dr_willis> the kdm or gdm login manager has a menu that lets you piuck what desktop to use.
[06:55] <SkiffX> ok
[06:56] <SkiffX> so I should do apt-get gdm or something?
[06:56] <dr_willis> ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop
[06:56] <dr_willis> are the meta-packages to install
[06:57] <dr_willis> You can use kdm to get to gnome desktop, and visa versa
[06:57] <dr_willis> you are proberly better off using KDM if you perfer kde. and gdm if you perfer gnome
[06:57] <SkiffX> heh
[06:57] <SkiffX> I have no idea what I prefer
[06:57] <SkiffX> hmm probably kde I guess
[06:58] <dr_willis> its trival to switch from kdm to gdm. :) so it dosent matter much
[06:58] <SkiffX> yeah you are right
[06:58] <SkiffX> especially now that I configured xorg.conf to my taste
[06:58] <SkiffX> ok lets get ubuntu-desktop
[06:59] <dr_willis> it pays to keep notes and a arvhives of your xorg.conf files :)
[06:59] <SkiffX> dr_willis, you still use win on any of the machines?
[07:00] <SkiffX> yeah I definitely will start keeping notes
[07:00] <SkiffX> so I wont forget wtf I did :P
[07:01] <dr_willis> windows xp on my main game box. and the laptop.
[07:01] <dr_willis> ubuntu is on all 3 machines also.
[07:01] <dr_willis> ubuntu only on this box. Its my MythTV box.
[07:02] <SkiffX> which one is a fileserver?
[07:02] <SkiffX> well the main aggregate of data
[07:02] <SkiffX> win or ubuntu
[07:02] <dr_willis> My Mythtv box is also my fileserver for the rest of the lan
[07:02] <dr_willis> Its on 24/7 :)
[07:03] <ardchoille> I have 11 Kubuntu boxes networked through the house.
[07:03] <Rictoo> how do I see what distro I'm running through terminal?
[07:03] <SkiffX> dr_willis, Im thinking of doing that
[07:03] <SkiffX> once I have more knowledge about linux
[07:03] <ardchoille> Rictoo: lsb_release -a
[07:04] <Rictoo> thanks <3
[07:04] <dr_willis> Rictoo,  most have some sort of version file  - and that lsb command :) reads it i think
[07:04] <SkiffX> but I sure dont wanna lose my 3tb now
[07:04] <SkiffX> but windows is quite annoying
[07:04] <SkiffX> although I havent seen vista yet
[07:04] <SkiffX> but its still outdated crap
[07:04] <SkiffX> compared to everything else
[07:04] <SkiffX> but enough of bashing :)
[07:05] <dr_willis> a $100 pc can be a good file server with linux
[07:08] <SkiffX> dr_willis, yeah but when you know what you are doing
[07:08] <SkiffX> but I was surprised with ease of ubuntu
[07:08] <SkiffX> I tried gentoo before
[07:08] <SkiffX> about 2 years ago
[07:08] <SkiffX> for 1-2 months
[07:08] <SkiffX> it was fun but way too much work in maintaining it
[07:08] <dr_willis> That describes gentoo
[07:08] <dr_willis> :)
[07:09] <SkiffX> but emerge command similar to apt-get is what got me to ubuntu
[07:09] <dr_willis> Heck thers distros designed where you install them. and bam - instant fileserver specilized box.
[07:09] <SkiffX> instead of RH and other distros
[07:09] <dr_willis> package management is an.. interesting.. computer  area  :)
[07:13] <dr_willis> well night....
[07:13] <felzix> somehow I managed to make my konqueror browser no longer display the images of one particular webcomic.  Any idea how I can reverse this?
[07:14] <Cosmo__> how well does ubuntu support graphic cards in SLI?
[07:14] <Cosmo__> err 2 graphics
[07:14] <michael__> can i just delete my old kernels?
[07:14] <michael__> if so how?
[07:15] <Jucato> michael__: you uninstall kernels like any other app or package. using the package manager (apt-get, Adept, etc.)
[07:15] <michael__> oh okay, thanks
[07:15] <Jucato> michael__: although I suggest you keep at least one older working kernel
[07:16] <Jucato> for backup, in case the current one refuses to boot
[07:16] <sparr> i swore i would never buy hdcp hardware.  am i cheating if i buy a video card that isnt hdcp-capable, but that contains a gpu that supports hdcp in different cards?
[07:17] <michael__> i already checked they both boot
[07:17] <michael__> im having a nother problem though
[07:17] <michael__> for soem reason knetworkmanager isnt starting
[07:17] <michael__> i see the green globe in the right hand corner but when i right click it , it just says knetworkmanager isnt running
[07:17] <michael__> so i cant get wireless working
[07:17] <michael__> but iwconfig does show my wireless
[07:18] <Cosmo__> how well does ubuntu support dual graphic  cards running in SLI mode?
[07:20] <dogatemycomputer> !sli
[07:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sli - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:22] <michael__> is there anyway to show what kde packages i have installed?
[07:23] <fatman>  hello, i am fat man and i weigh 400 pounds!  you can see video of my supreme fatness at www.fat-man.org
[07:23] <michael__> uh
[07:23] <michael__> !kick fatman
[07:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kick fatman - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:23] <michael__> heh
[07:23] <fignew> :P
[07:23] <michael__> yay
[07:23] <michael__> bye fatman
[07:23] <michael__> :)
[07:24] <Jucato> just a simple kick.. for now...
[07:24] <fignew> hehe
[07:24] <michael__> it will take him a while to walk back him being 400lbs and all
[07:24] <michael__> ;)
[07:24] <fignew> such a fair mod ;)
[07:24] <Jucato> lol
[07:24] <fignew> still has a brain though :P
[07:24] <ardchoille> michael__: You can send a list of installed packages to a text file with: dpkg --get-selections > packagelist.txt   and then cat packagelist.txt to read it
[07:26] <michael__> okay thanks
[07:42] <Cosmo__> I am getting ready to build myself a new computer, it has been awhile since I bought a new processor. On AMDs is the fx-64 or the athlon 64 x2's better?
[07:53] <michael__> ugh
[07:53] <michael__> please help, my knetworkmanager seems to be running, its a green globe, but when i right click it , it says knetworkmanager is not running
[07:54] <radioaktivstorm> hello, why is it that some of the windows are several hundred pixels to long on my screen (resolution: 1280x800) and how can i fix it
[07:58] <arescorpio> ---
[08:02] <radioaktivstorm> hmm, silence....
[08:16] <michael__> is there anyway to have dpkg be able to remove files based on specifiying the packages that they are installed from
[08:16] <michael__> i dont know the installed name, just the debs
[08:19] <sivaji> how to configure kopete to send sms
[08:21] <ardchoille> michael__: You could probably do a search for the names in adept
[08:21] <michael__> omfg
[08:22] <michael__> OMFG
[08:22] <michael__> i was going to uninstall dbus
[08:22] <michael__> and then reinstall it
[08:22] <ardchoille> lol
[08:22] <michael__> and some how, it decided to remove like EVERY prgram i had installed
[08:23] <michael__> i managed to kill adept before it finished, but now adept manager is uninstalled, and i cant apt-get, it says archive.ubuntu.com cant resole, even though it does in my browser
[08:23] <michael__> how might i fix that?
[08:24] <tahsin> ardchoille: im stuck in step 4
[08:25] <michael__>  ah thank god i could reinstall dbus
[08:25] <michael__> that fixed it
[08:25] <michael__> god i dont even know what it uninstalled before i stopped it
[08:26] <tahsin> ardchoille: you here ?
[08:26] <chuen> hi. I have a problem with the boot procedure 'stalling' i have to enter the menu to slecet the kernel manually.
[08:26] <ardchoille> tahsin: Yep :)
[08:26] <tahsin> ardchoille: can you help me in step 4 of baghira
[08:26] <chuen> this happened after i installed gde.
[08:27] <tahsin> ardchoille: how do i get the icons
[08:27] <ardchoille> tahsin: I can take a look at the tutorial, but I don't use baghira. What's the tutorial url?
[08:27] <chuen> but uninstalling gde doesn't fix the problem.
[08:27] <tahsin> ardchoille: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/OS_Clone-en.php#step4
[08:28] <ardchoille> tahsin: See the last word in the first sentence in step 4?
[08:28] <Skiff> guys what do you recommend as an app for sshing from xp to ubuntu?
[08:28] <michael__> is there anyway to tell what adept did?
[08:28] <Rictoo|SLP> libxml2-dev: Depends: libxml2 (= 2.6.27.dfsg-1ubuntu3) but 2.6.28.dfsg-1 is to be installed
[08:28] <ardchoille> tahsin: Click that word
[08:28] <Rictoo|SLP> How do I downgrade?
[08:28] <Rictoo|SLP> libxml2-dev: Depends: libxml2 (= 2.6.27.dfsg-1ubuntu3) but 2.6.28.dfsg-1 is to be installed
[08:29] <tahsin> ardchoille: yes i have downloaded that
[08:29] <michael__> Is there anyway to check what adept did before it uninstalled itself
[08:29] <tahsin> ardchoille: how do i use it
[08:29] <ardchoille> tahsin: There are instruction right on the OS-L page and that buildkit comes with a README file that explains how to set it all up.
[08:30] <tahsin> ardchoille: well i read them but failed to understand
[08:30] <tahsin> ardchoille: :(
[08:30] <ardchoille> tahsin: Basically, you have to unpack the buildkit and run the buildscript.. and wait a few minutes while it builds the icon set.
[08:30] <tahsin> ardchoille: failed to make it work
[08:31] <tahsin> ardchoille: how do i unpack and how do i run the buildkit script
[08:32] <ardchoille> tahsin: Where did you download it to?
[08:32] <tahsin> ardchoille: /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons
[08:33] <tahsin> ardchoille: i also extracted it there
[08:33] <ardchoille> tahsin: Ok, that's just a build kit, what it does is make the icon set and package it up. The package you moved to ~/.kde/share/icons isn't the icon set.
[08:34] <blekos> hi, is there a way to associate a certain icon to a certain file extension?
[08:34] <tahsin> ardchoille: okay so how do i make an icon set
[08:35] <tinyx> hii
[08:35] <Contrast> Greets, everyone...
[08:35] <tinyx> heya
[08:35] <ardchoille> tahsin: cd ~/.kde/share/icons/OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit && ./buildset
[08:36] <tinyx> I got this digital camera, and you have to use software to get the pics off the camera because the camera takes pics in the .raw format
[08:36] <tinyx> and the software it came with is for windows
[08:36] <ardchoille> tinyx: I'm using digikam to do that with my camera, ut I don't know if digikam handles raw format
[08:36] <tinyx> oh
[08:37] <tahsin> ardchoille:
[08:37] <tahsin> tahsin@tahsin-desktop:~/.kde/share/icons/OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit$ ./buildset
[08:37] <tahsin> This script builds an installable KDE iconset using bash and convert.
[08:37] <tahsin> Change what you want, add additional sizes, whatever... :)
[08:37] <tahsin> Checking for bzip2... found /bin/bzip2
[08:37] <tahsin> Checking for tar...  found /bin/tar
[08:37] <tahsin> Checking for convert...  no.
[08:37] <tahsin> No convert found in path.
[08:37] <tahsin> ardchoille: then ?
[08:37] <ardchoille> tahsin: That is not what I posted is it?
[08:37] <Jucato> !paste | tahsin
[08:37] <ubotu> tahsin: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:37] <tahsin> ardchoille: i dont know
[08:37] <Contrast> Is it safe to remove the non-latest versions of the "linux-headers," "linux-image," and "linux-restricted-modules" packages?
[08:38] <ardchoille> tahsin: sudo apt-get install imagemagick  . whe that is installed go back and run that command I gave you again
[08:38] <ardchoille> tahsin: convert is part of the imagemagick suite
[08:38] <tahsin> ardchoille:ok
[08:39] <ardchoille> tahsin: Also, in the future, please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste stuff in the channel.
[08:39] <tinyx> yeah... thank you ardchoille
[08:39] <tahsin> ardchoille: ok
[08:39] <tahsin> ardchoille: convert is a part of...... i didnt get u there
[08:39] <ardchoille> tinyx: digikam work with it?
[08:40] <tinyx> its installing
[08:40] <ardchoille> tahsin: You are installing imagemagik, the convert app is part of imagemagik
[08:40] <tahsin> ardchoille: installation complete
[08:40] <tahsin> ardchoille: now i run that comman again
[08:40] <ardchoille> yes
[08:41] <hudanetcafe> haiiiiiiiiiii
[08:41] <tahsin> ardchoille: thanks
[08:42] <ardchoille> tahsin: When the buildset script is done, it will leave you with a tarball of the icon set, you simply need to unpack it into your desired location (~/.kde/share/icons) and then choose them in kcontrol
[08:43] <tahsin> ardchoille: thanks a lot
[08:43] <ardchoille> tahsin: You're welcome :)
[08:43] <tahsin> ardchoille: guess its working ....converting all icons
[08:44] <ardchoille> tahsin: When it's all done, you should post a screenshot in the screenshots section of the ubuntuforums and show it off :)
[08:44] <tahsin> ardchoille: so when converting finishes i will get a tarball and ill use kcontrol to install it right?
[08:44] <tinyx> digikam doesnt have my camera on its list of camera
[08:44] <tinyx> cameras
[08:44] <Contrast> ImageMagick really should be included by default.
[08:44] <ardchoille> tahsin: Yes, you can do it that way, it's faster.
[08:44] <tahsin> ardchoille: hehe ill try that
[08:45] <ardchoille> Contrast: O agree
[08:45] <ardchoille> s/O/I/
[08:45] <tahsin> ardchoille: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Carbon+Mac+OS+X+clone?content=52541
[08:45] <tahsin> ardchoille: i wana make my one like this :)
[08:46] <Contrast> So does anyone know the answer to my question? (s it safe to remove the non-latest versions of the "linux-headers," "linux-image," and "linux-restricted-modules" packages?) All of these outdated packages are taking up nearly a gig of space, and I'm trying to clean up my harddrive.
[08:46] <ardchoille> tahsin: Wow, that one is nice.
[08:47] <tahsin> ardchoille: yeah i love that
[08:47] <tahsin> ardchoille: i want my one to look like that ...hope you can help me :)
[08:48] <Jucato> Contrast: yes it's safe. although you might want to keep at least one other working kernel as backup
[08:49] <ardchoille> tahsin: That tutorial is far better than any help I can give you.
[08:49] <Contrast> Jucato: Thanks... Would you mind looking at a list of what I'm going to remove and keep?
[08:49] <tahsin> ardchoille: no i meant that carbon OS clone
[08:49] <Jucato> Contrast: hm.. ok. put it in a pastebin.
[08:50] <Contrast> K, one sec....
[08:50] <Jucato> Contrast: usually, the linux- packages not being used by your current kernel is safe safe to remove.
[08:51] <tahsin> ardchoille: is it ok that its taking so long to convert the icons ?
[08:51] <tahsin> ardchoille: P4 1.7 Ghz
[08:52] <tahsin> ardchoille: done :) tarring and compressing :)
[08:52] <djdarkman_> does someone know how can I 'burn' a mini distro on an USB flash drive?
[08:52] <tahsin> ardchoille: brb
[08:52] <ardchoille> tahsin: Yes, it takes a while to convert. It's takeing each icon, and converting to to several different sizes.
[08:52] <tahsin> ardchoille: i got an error
[08:52] <ardchoille> What's the error
[08:52] <tahsin> ardchoille: rmv: cannot move `128x128' to a subdirectory of itself, `OS-L/128x128'
[08:52] <tahsin> ardchoille: mv: cannot move `128x128' to a subdirectory of itself, `OS-L/128x128'
[08:53] <tahsin> ardchoille: is it an error?
[08:53] <ardchoille> tahsin: I got that too, it doesn't seem to make a difference though. ignore it for now.
[08:53] <tahsin> ardchoille: all done its complete installation time now
[08:55] <KevinAlaska> Howdy Folks!  Linux expert WANNA BE here help give out terrible advice to the unsuspecting person...   ^o)
[08:55] <KevinAlaska> I hope all goes well for everyone. :)
[08:55] <tahsin> lol kevin
[08:55] <igi> hello, does anyone know something about yazpp, it seems to be missing in feisty reps?
[08:56] <KevinAlaska> I do.. yeah.. suuuuurre!  I can help!  j/k
[08:56] <KevinAlaska> <-- dumb nut
[08:56] <tahsin> ardchoille: i have installed the theme from kcontrol but i dont see any changes
[08:58] <tahsin> whats up kevin
[08:58] <tahsin> how are the mosquitoes ?
[08:58] <ardchoille> tahsin: try restarting kcontrol
[08:59] <Contrast> Jucato: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22830/
[08:59] <tahsin> ardchoille: i did that
[08:59] <igi> hello, does anyone know something about yazpp, it seems to be missing in feisty reps?
[08:59] <tahsin> ardchoille: but the icons remain the same
[08:59] <Jucato> Contrast: looks fine to me
[09:00] <ardchoille> tahsin: You have to click the icon theme (to choose it) and then click the "Apply" button in the bottom right of that window to "apply" the settings
[09:00] <Contrast> Jucato: Thanks a lot.
[09:00] <KevinAlaska> I have a question to those who might know though... I have a daemon I have to load each time I come on the computer via Konsole. I have do a "sudo g15daemon".  How can I do this with out the need of typing this each time? I think the file for the command is at /etc/sudoers and then something else but I have no idea after that.
[09:00] <Contrast> So why aren't those outdated packages removed automatically when doing sudo apt-get autoremove?
[09:01] <ardchoille> Contrast: Because they weren't a dependency of another package that was installed?
[09:01] <tahsin> ardchoille: yes i did that and it said updating configuration but nothing happened
[09:01] <Jucato> Contrast: you usually don't want kernels to be suddenly autoremoved. these are the type of things you want to be exactly sure you want removed
[09:01] <Contrast> Oh ok. Makes sense.
[09:01] <ardchoille> Jucato: Good point
[09:01] <Jucato> Contrast: and because, as ardchoille mentioned, they're not the dependency of some package that was removed
[09:01] <Contrast> KevinAlaska: Make a shell script with that line and put it in ~/.kde/AutoStart
[09:01] <ardchoille> tahsin: Open the file manager and see if the icons changed.
[09:02] <tahsin> ardchoille: i did but no change
[09:02] <Jucato> igi: try searching in http://packages.ubuntu.com
[09:02] <tahsin> ardchoille: same old kubuntu icons
[09:02] <Contrast> KevinAlaska: If you need help on how to do that, let me know.
[09:03] <KevinAlaska> Contrast, heh.. I do not think you saw my post a bit back there claiming my path of knowledge to the linux expert... I am some where in the Noob area.. :)  what do you mean by your advanced set of words? :) heh
[09:03] <ardchoille> tahsin: I don't know, then, without being there and seeing what you're doing. the icons changed here
[09:03] <tahsin> ardchoille: okay
[09:03] <tahsin> ardchoille: how do i copy as root?
[09:04] <ardchoille> tahsin: copying a file or folder?
[09:04] <tahsin> it says to copy that tarball to usr/share/icons
[09:05] <ardchoille> sudo cp /path/to/tarball /usr/share/icons
[09:05] <tahsin> ardchoille: thnx
[09:06] <Contrast> KevinAlaska: My apologies. Hehe. Just open Kate (or whatever text editor you use), then paste the text found here - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22831/ - into it. Save it as something like daemon-start or whatever you want under ~/.kde/Autostart, then do "chmod a+x ~/.kde/Autostart/daemon-start" from a terminal (e.g., Konsole).
[09:07] <Contrast> KevinAlaska: You'll be asked for your password after logging in each time, but that's the only way I know of achieving this. Someone else, feel free to step in here. :D
[09:08] <tahsin> ardchoille: my path to tarball is /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons/OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit
[09:09] <KevinAlaska> ahhh.. then maybe you can give a step of insight on the weblink I have that touched bases on this.. one sec let me fetch it.
[09:09] <tahsin> ardchoille: i tried sudo cv /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons/OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit
[09:09] <KevinAlaska> that was for Contrast
[09:09] <Contrast> K...
[09:09] <tahsin> ardchoille: can u plz tell me what to tpe?
[09:10] <Contrast> Anyone have any ideas as to why my system is trying to resume from a hibernate image every time I boot now, even though I never put it into hibernate mode?
[09:11] <|lostbyte|> How to check back block on hda5 ?
[09:11] <|lostbyte|> it askes for control-D or root pass
[09:12] <|lostbyte|> control-D goes back to same screen at booy
[09:12] <|lostbyte|> ??
[09:14] <Jack3> ugh please help
[09:14] <Jack3> i need to totally re do dbus
[09:14] <Jack3> and ive tried everyway of reinstalling it
[09:15] <Jack3> but knetworkmanager still wont start
[09:15] <Jack3> it just keeps giving the error about dbus
[09:15] <Jack3> is there some command that will reset essential packages to normal?
[09:15] <Contrast> Jack3: sudo dpkg-reconfigure dbus
[09:17] <Contrast> Jack3: I could be wrong. I just opened a terminal and did tab-completion to make sure that's a valid command, but based on what dpkg-reconfigure does for Xorg, I'd imagine that's what you're looking for.
[09:18] <Jack3> ugh
[09:18] <Jack3> no
[09:18] <Jack3> this is what happens when i do knetworkmanager
[09:18] <Jack3> Connection to D-Bus system message bus failed:
[09:18] <Jack3> Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory.
[09:19] <Jack3> can someone tel me what resides in /var/run/dbus
[09:21] <Jack3> hello
[09:21] <KevinAlaska> Contrast, dang.. took me long enough to find it.. I couldn't even find the link in my history.. well here it is ---> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2461304&postcount=285  I have a part near the bottom that reads the following.  "if you want to have the daemon autorun on startup try running (BE CAREFUL)"  I guess it more like 1/2 the way down the document.  its not very long
[09:22] <KevinAlaska> so the part that asks me to "Change the user part and add the following to the end of the file:" I am not sure exactly which part that is in the file.  to me that could be two different places.
[09:24] <KevinAlaska> my file output in konsole is http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/916317
[09:24] <Jack3> can someone please dcc me their /var/run/dbus folder :(
[09:25] <KevinAlaska> dcc?
[09:25] <Jack3> or upload it to rapidshare.com
[09:25] <KevinAlaska> file transfer?
[09:25] <Jack3> yeh
[09:25] <KevinAlaska> sure.. if no one else has it
[09:25] <Jack3> please :\
[09:28] <KevinAlaska> there are 2 files
[09:29] <KevinAlaska> did that first file transfer come up?
[09:29] <Jack3> no :\
[09:29] <DBO> Jack3, /var/run is a temporary filesystem
[09:29] <Jack3> if you want you can zip them and upload to rapidshare.com
[09:29] <Jack3> it is ?
[09:29] <DBO> yes
[09:29] <Jack3> fuck
[09:29] <DBO> it is generated at boot
[09:29] <KevinAlaska> okay
[09:29] <Jack3> god i hate this
[09:29] <DBO> what did you do?
[09:29] <KevinAlaska> ohh.. potty fingers! :O
[09:29] <Jack3> dbus I AM GONNA KILL DBUS
[09:30] <Jack3> i keep getting
[09:30] <Jack3> Connection to D-Bus system message bus failed:
[09:30] <Jack3> Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory.
[09:30] <DBO> Jack3, why gonna kill dbus?
[09:30] <Jack3> no matter what i install i cant freken fix it
[09:30] <DBO> using Ubuntu System Panel?
[09:30] <KevinAlaska> so I send you dbus and then you kill it.. where is the sport in that.. let it free and have at least fair sport! :P
[09:30] <Jack3> heh
[09:30] <Jack3> ubuntu system panel?
[09:30] <DBO> guess not
[09:30] <DBO> you would know if you were
[09:30] <DBO> Jack3, have you rebooted, it sounds like dbus simply isnt running
[09:31] <Jack3> yes ive rebooted, and dbus is running
[09:31] <joakim_> hi
[09:31] <DBO> if you "sudo ls -l /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket" do you get anything
[09:32] <joakim_> I have a canon printer but there is no drivers for it for linux
[09:32] <joakim_> does anyone know what to do ..or how to intstall the printer anyway?
[09:32] <KevinAlaska> you have to use generic drivers....
[09:32] <DBO> joakim_, I know this is going to sound REALLY harsh... but cannon sucks get a HP...
[09:33] <joakim_> ok how do I do that?
[09:33] <joakim_> yeah next time hp for me
[09:33] <Jack3> ls: /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
[09:33] <DBO> Jack3, if you "sudo ls -l /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket" do you get anything
[09:33] <KevinAlaska> best thing about cannon is they use different colors in different carts so you do not have to throw out sets of 3 colors just because one is gone
[09:33] <Jack3> DBO ^^
[09:33] <DBO> Jack3, thank you =)
[09:34] <joakim_> so how do I use these generic drivers?
[09:34] <nagyv> is it normal in feisty, that amarok does not knows the details of the played last.fm track? in edgy it knew about it.
[09:35] <DBO> Jack3, "ps -e | grep dbus-daemon" turn anything up?
[09:35] <KevinAlaska> hummm.. let me check them out.  USB setup?
[09:35] <KevinAlaska> which model?
[09:35] <Jack3> DBO,  6279 ?        00:00:00 dbus-daemon
[09:35] <joakim_> yes conection through USB
[09:35] <joakim_> ip5300
[09:35] <joakim_> yes
[09:36] <KevinAlaska> so menu--->system settings--->Printers
[09:37] <KevinAlaska> click on add
[09:37] <DBO> Jack3, just stay with me ok?
[09:37] <Jack3> ok
[09:37] <joakim_> sorry cant find printer
[09:37] <joakim_> printers in system settings
[09:37] <joakim_> gotit
[09:38] <KevinAlaska> have you done this part before in trying to setup the printer?
[09:38] <joakim_> click on add printer & get option to chose clasic or special printer
[09:38] <joakim_> which one
[09:38] <joakim_> ?
[09:38] <KevinAlaska> might have to try both but classic should be the one
[09:38] <joakim_> no
[09:39] <DBO> Jack3, cat /etc/default/dbus | tail -1
[09:39] <Jack3> DBO, that returns ENABLED=1
[09:39] <joakim_> ok I am working with the wisard ad printer now
[09:40] <KevinAlaska> joakim_, isn't it add ---> then choose 'add printer/class'?
[09:40] <DBO> Jack3, does a pid file exist in /var/run/dbus?
[09:40] <KevinAlaska> okay good.. best of luck then. :)
[09:40] <Jack3> dbo, no
[09:41] <DBO> Jack3, can you please put your /etc/init.d/dbus in pastebin.ca for me
[09:41] <Etokura> !grub
[09:41] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:42] <Jack3> dbo, http://pastebin.ca/515533
[09:42] <joakim_> Kevin..now I want to chose USB port...but it say it is no a valid port
[09:43] <DBO> Jack3, well what the heck, lets just go ahead and nip this one in the butt then and try it the old fashioned way
[09:43] <DBO> Jack3, sudo /etc/init.d/dbus stop
[09:43] <joakim_> ok now it works
[09:43] <DBO> Jack3, sudo killall dbus-daemon
[09:44] <DBO> Jack3, sudo dbus-daemon --nofork --system
[09:44] <KevinAlaska> I found this really cool desktop (what do they call them?) widget that lets me do a search from a small window on the desktop that gives fast results.. called "KarambaLocate"... awesome little thing to have.. try it when wanting to find files folders etc... you then click on them to open them up.. I use "SuperKaramba" program that I loaded in to manage these widgets or what ever they are called.
[09:44] <DBO> then go ahead and tell me what wonderful error output you get, if none, go ahead and try an application for me Jack3 =)
[09:44] <Jack3> DBO, Failed to start message bus: The pid file "/usr/var/run/dbus/pid" exists, if the message bus is not running, remove this file
[09:45] <DBO> I see our problem
[09:45] <Jack3> hahaha
[09:45] <joakim_> no it found my ip5300... on the next page I can chose CANON there other models but not the ip5300...
[09:45] <Jack3> it puts it in /usr/var/run
[09:45] <Jack3> theres the dbus socket thing too
[09:45] <joakim_> what to chose?
[09:45] <Jack3> how do we get it to /var/run
[09:46] <KevinAlaska> joakim_, double check your cable and maybe try another cable if you have one.  Make sure printer power is on.  These steps seems trivial but from my years of none linux computer work, this is a big time common problem... just checking the bases
[09:46] <DBO> Jack3, just hold your horses for a moment I need to read man pages =)
[09:46] <Jack3> :P
[09:46] <KevinAlaska> well they normally use a series like ip5000 which would cover all ip5300 or ip5500 etc
[09:47] <joakim_> aha ok
[09:47] <KevinAlaska> horses? how many horses you got?
[09:47] <KevinAlaska> heh.. :P
[09:47] <joakim_> :) no that starts with ipxxxx
[09:47] <joakim_> bumer
[09:48] <DBO> Jack3, /etc/dbus-1/system.conf -> pastebin please
[09:49] <KevinAlaska> humm.. you might have to try different ones and see what happens.... look for a model number sticker that might give other information that might be on that list.  Otherwise try looking for pieces of that model number for a selection choice.. ie. choose different ipxxxx or as you said no ipxxxx choose other 5000 series etc
[09:49] <Jack3> http://pastebin.ca/515537
[09:49] <joakim_> you think BJC-xxxx or LBP-xxxx is the one?
[09:50] <harmental> hey everybody....
[09:50] <joakim_> ok I'll try
[09:50] <KevinAlaska> I will see if I can't google something for you real fast.
[09:50] <harmental> Im having a weird problem with my wifi connection.....
[09:50] <DBO> Jack3, ok now sudo killall dbus-daemon
[09:50] <harmental> at startup...it seeems like it is connected to my router....
[09:51] <joakim_> ok thanks
[09:51] <DBO> Jack3, sudo dbus-daemon --nofork --system --config-file /etc/dbus-1/system.conf
[09:51] <harmental> but when i ping google or my router it doesnt find anything...
[09:51] <harmental> i have to disconnect and then reconnect...
[09:51] <harmental> then its all ok...
[09:51] <harmental> im having this problem since my upgrade to feisty..
[09:51] <harmental> any ideas?
[09:52] <Jack3> dbo, just says config file specified, but /etc/dbus-1/system.conf already exists
[09:53] <DBO> thats not how its supposed to work...
[09:53] <Jack3> i think its using system.conf
[09:53] <joakim_> I tried the MultiPASS C5000 model but some went wrong with the print out..color mismatch
[09:53] <DBO> Jack3, sudo /etc/init.d/dbus start
[09:54] <DBO> that script should read in the config file...
[09:54] <Jack3> Failed to start message bus: The pid file "/usr/var/run/dbus/pid" exists, if the message bus is not running, remove this file
[09:55] <DBO> interestingly... that should NOT be doing that...
[09:55] <KevinAlaska> joakim_ here is a website worth looking at... http://www.turboprint.de/english.html not sure what it fully is but its a start
[09:56] <DBO> Jack3, give it the restart command
[09:56] <joakim_> ok thanks...
[09:57] <Jack3> dbo, gives that same error
[09:57] <Jack3> i think this must be from me messing with compiling dbus myself
[09:57] <DBO> Jack3, do you have a /etc/dbus-1/system-local.conf
[09:57] <DBO> yes I agree it probably is
[09:58] <Jack3> no , no system-local
[09:58] <Admiral_Chicago> Jack3: iirc, you can grab that off the SVN and build it for you system
[09:58] <Admiral_Chicago> iirc, they use SVN...
[09:58] <Admiral_Chicago> but i don't remember and it's late here for me.
[09:58] <joakim_> ok thanks Kevin ..I'll leave now
[09:59] <KevinAlaska> sure?  did you find anything?
[09:59] <DBO> Jack3, how long ago did you compile dbus?
[10:00] <Jack3> a few hours ago
[10:00] <Jack3> i tried make uninstallin everything but it didnt help
[10:02] <DBO> you have to have some spare config file laying around, system-local or something
[10:02] <jang_> hi
[10:03] <wombat_> hi
[10:03] <wombat_> teh this is good
[10:04] <wombat_> anyone have luck installing Google Earth 4.1
[10:04] <Jack3> dbo, i dunno wha you mean
[10:05] <wombat_> google earth, it's like a 3d rendered map of the earth compiled for debian
[10:06] <wombat_> sorta works on kubuntu, 'cept im having problems with resolution915
[10:06] <DBO> Jack3, give me ls -Ra /etc/dbus-1
[10:06] <KevinAlaska> Anyone here able to help help me understand WHICH PART of the file to edit in with the command "sudo visudo" which give me the file to edit here--> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/916317 ... it tells me to "Change the user part and add the following to the end of the file" (the part to add is---> "user ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/g15daemon") but in that file I see 2 user parts. Which user part am I supposed to add?  Because there is a '# User alias spec
[10:06] <KevinAlaska> ion'?
[10:06] <wombat_> some of the graphics is trashd
[10:07] <Jack3> dbo, http://www.pastebin.ca/515559
[10:07] <wombat_> n e way lemme know if someone has got Google Earth to play nice
[10:08] <adi> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL change the root part to your user this would give you the potion to sudo any command
[10:09] <DBO> Jack3, do you happen to have a /usr/etc/dbus-1?
[10:10] <Jack3> dbo, yeh
[10:10] <KevinAlaska> adi, ahhh.. so the part that is the following I put it at the end?
[10:10] <Jack3> dbo, i found the problem i think
[10:10] <KevinAlaska> #
[10:10] <KevinAlaska> # User privilege specification
[10:10] <KevinAlaska> #
[10:10] <KevinAlaska> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[10:10] <KevinAlaska> after the root part?
[10:10] <Jack3> i downloaded the dbus source and did ./configure, its because the auto prefix is /usr
[10:11] <adi> yeah you can just add a line that says  (username)    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[10:11] <adi> username is your user
[10:11] <DBO> well now that you know your a big dumb dumb =P  You think you can handle that one Jack3?
[10:11] <DBO> Jack3, running "which dbus-daemon" might be a helpful bit of info too =)
[10:12] <Jack3> dbo, well, if i do ./configure --prefix=/ that would put it in /var/run/dbus, but wouldnt the other files just dump into /
[10:12] <KevinAlaska> adi, right.. okay thank you. last part it asks me is to do this in gnome but granted.. I am usind KDE but is there something simular.. here is what the last step is: After this go to System->Preferences->Sessions and add sudo g15daemon to the list
[10:13] <DBO> Jack3, didnt everything dump into the right path with a /usr tacked on the start?
[10:13] <Jack3> ill check
[10:13] <DBO> Jack3, otherwise there are usually more advanced configuration options
[10:14] <Jack3> now its /usr/var/run lol
[10:14] <DBO> also you can probably just change the configure file in /usr/etc/dbus-1/system.conf to reflect the proper paths
[10:14] <DBO> Jack3, yes yes, and the exe is in /usr/usr/bin/dbus/daemon?
[10:15] <DBO> why did I say eye... get out of my head Billy
[10:15] <DBO> exe
[10:15] <DBO> the bin, the bin is in /usr/usr/bin/dbus-daemon
[10:15] <Jack3> im just gonna edit the configure file in the source and compile it again
[10:15] <DBO> you want to check where that bin is landing first
[10:15] <adi> well i would just open a terminal and run sudoedit /etc/sudoers
[10:16] <Jack3> im just changing this localstatedir='${prefix}/var' to localstatedir='/var'
[10:16] <KevinAlaska> nothing in KDE to do the sessions editing or what ever its called then? but I will try that way
[10:16] <Jack3> dbo, should that do it?
[10:17] <DBO> Jack3, well you also have things going into /usr/etc that need to be fixed too
[10:18] <wombat_> helo
[10:19] <wombat_> linux for humans, all the rest of u propellor heads can fuck off
[10:19] <wombat_> hi :)
[10:19] <DBO> wombat_, language
[10:19] <Jucato> !language | wombat_
[10:19] <ubotu> wombat_: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:20] <wombat_> k
[10:20] <hassi> ahoi
[10:20] <sombhotla> hi room
[10:20] <wombat_> hi
[10:20] <wombat_> any 1 tried that Google Earth yet?
[10:22] <Jucato> KevinAlaska: maybe we have talked in here before :)
[10:22] <Jucato> !autostart | KevinAlaska
[10:22] <ubotu> KevinAlaska: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[10:22] <Jucato> you might need that too
[10:22] <chuen> Hi, can someone try to clarify a 'boot' problem I'm having?
[10:22] <wombat_> mayb
[10:22] <Jucato> !someone
[10:22] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[10:22] <wombat_> whats the problem
[10:23] <KevinAlaska> oh .. heh.. hay Jucato..  :-|
[10:23] <Jucato> :)
[10:23] <Tm_T> Jucato: have you seen the light?
[10:23] <Jucato> Tm_T: depends on which light you're talking about. haven't seen the Sun in quite a while :P
[10:23] <KevinAlaska> the directions told me to add 'sudo g15daemon' to the list on sessions?  does that make any sense?
[10:23] <KevinAlaska> jucato
[10:24] <chuen> OK. When Grub starts, it now only gets as far as the 'boot' command. I then have to 'intervene' , access the menu and manually select whicj kernel i want.
[10:24] <chuen> then the sequence continues OK.
[10:24] <Tm_T> Jucato: me ofcourse
[10:24] <wombat_> yeah sounds like you screwed up menu.lst
[10:24] <Jucato> KevinAlaska: hm... only for GNOME. best way to do it in KDE is to leave g15daemon running when you logout. it should be restarted when you log back in. not sure about the need for a password
[10:24] <chuen> This happened after I installed GDE. But I can't imagine how the 2 might be related (maybe they're not)
[10:24] <Jucato> Tm_T: heh. I haven't seen you until today :P
[10:24] <wombat_> do a search for that file and fix it
[10:24] <KevinAlaska> its off when I log back in
[10:25] <Tm_T> Jucato: shame on you
[10:25] <chuen> wombat_: Thanks. What kind of error should I be looking for (as I haven't got a clue!)?
[10:25] <KevinAlaska> unless I do not need to after this edited file in sudo visudo
[10:25] <Jack3> dbo, okay i make installed everything, now how do i start this?
[10:25] <KevinAlaska> er.. /etc/sudoers
[10:25] <KevinAlaska> added the ; user ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/g15daemon
[10:26] <wombat_> just sudo apt-get install kde-base and cross ur fingers
[10:26] <Jucato> KevinAlaska: oh, try making a link to ~/kde/Autostart then
[10:26] <KevinAlaska> line to the #User priviledge specifications
[10:26] <wombat_> actually start with lilo or grub u might be able to save your exisiting installation
[10:27] <KevinAlaska> oh.. how then? :-|
[10:27] <wombat_> dunno, sudo apt-get install grub sounds about right
[10:28] <chuen> wombat_: What should I be looking for in menu.lst ?
[10:28] <DBO> first Jack3, run "which dbus-daemon"
[10:28] <MPS> hi
[10:28] <KevinAlaska> howdy! :)
[10:28] <wombat_> try this in console, sudo locate menu.lst
[10:29] <Jack3> dbo, /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon
[10:29] <wombat_> that will tell you if it exists
[10:29] <MPS> i am having a question about special keys on my nc6120 using feisty
[10:29] <wombat_> if it does'nt then you haven't got a bootloader
[10:29] <MPS> there's an information key. usually this calls the kde help. but i'
[10:29] <chuen> wombat_: I have the file open - but what error should I look for?
[10:29] <wombat_> try it and get back to me
[10:30] <ompaul> wombat_, so will 'gksu gedit /boot/grub/menu.list'  ;-)
[10:30] <DBO> Jack3, is that where you installed it to?
[10:30] <wombat_> read the entries, there should be one for each operating system
[10:30] <DBO> ompaul, kubuntu =P
[10:30] <wombat_> yeah that sounds good
[10:30] <ompaul> DBO, ARRRR
[10:30] <MPS> but i won't that. i like that it calls an app oder next song in amarok. i also give it an new symcode, F20. but
[10:30] <chuen> wombat_: Yep.
[10:30] <MPS> but it also doesn't work. anyone an idea?
[10:30] <Jack3> dbo, i think so
[10:30] <ompaul> DBO, thats what happens for joining all them channels :)
[10:30] <KevinAlaska> jucato let me try rebooting with what I have so far and see if it stays up.
[10:31] <DBO> ompaul, I know, I got sucked in here the same way
[10:31] <wombat_> well thats where ur problem is, next
[10:31] <DBO> Jack3, sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[10:32] <MPS> anyone an idea?
[10:32] <wombat_> gotta go code in .NET :(
[10:32] <wombat_> cya
[10:32] <chuen> wombat_: Are you answering 2 people? is the "well that's where your problem is" for me?
[10:33] <wombat_> yep
[10:33] <wombat_> bye
[10:33] <chuen> wombat_: I don't understand - but bye.
[10:43] <phred___> Hello
[10:44] <KevinAlaska> hello phred__
[10:44] <phred___> how many lock files are there for the apt / adept system?
[10:44] <KevinAlaska> /shrug  :`(
[10:45] <phred___> I have deleted 4 from /var... nothing is running to use it, but I still can't get in.
[10:46] <phred___> running find again.. there are more
[10:46] <Jucato> !adeptfix | phred___
[10:46] <ubotu> phred___: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:49] <michael__> omg
[10:49] <Shibby86> hey all
[10:49] <Jack3> who was i just talkin too?
[10:49] <Shibby86> New kubuntu user here
[10:49] <Shibby86> jack3: not me
[10:50] <Shibby86> anybody who knows how to install a NVIDIA card on Kubuntu feisty?
[10:50] <Jack3> DBO, i fixed it!!!!!!!!
[10:51] <Jucato> !nvidia | Shibby86
[10:51] <Jack3> dbo, i went and manually downloaded the dbus deb from archive.ubuntu.com and installed it and it works now!
[10:51] <ubotu> Shibby86: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:51] <Shibby86> jucato: what will that do?
[10:51] <Shibby86> ubotu: Okey, I will take a look right now
[10:52] <Jucato> !thanks | Shibby86
[10:52] <ubotu> Shibby86: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[10:52] <GuHHH> lol
[10:52] <Shibby86> good to know :-)
[10:52] <Shibby86> have to learn every day
[10:52] <phred___> no output from fuser... dpkg showed   setting up  (listed three files)
[10:52] <KevinAlaska> the bot is EVIL I say E V I L ! !
[10:53] <phred___> still have lock files... can I just delete them?
[10:57] <KevinAlaska> Dear! Dear! Jucato, Friend, Buddy, Pal, Chum! :) you mentioned ~/KDE/autostart link... how do I do that?
[10:58] <KevinAlaska> g15daemon didn't load up automaticly
[10:58] <Jucato> KevinAlaska: go to ~/.kde/Autostart right-click in the window -> Create New -> Link to Application
[10:59] <ShadyTree> or go to that folder, and drag a link from your Start menu into it
[10:59] <ShadyTree> and copy
[10:59] <Shibby86> where is this option? (System -> Administration -> Restricted Devices Manager) in kubuntu feisty (kde)
[10:59] <ShadyTree> we didnt get that
[10:59] <Shibby86> I can never find it :-/
[10:59] <KevinAlaska> oh.. its just a konsole thing.. sudo g15daemon :)
[11:00] <sanelson_> can one run the "migration assistant" after install?
[11:00] <ShadyTree> Only Ubuntu got the RDM
[11:00] <thumper> how come when I started Konversation with beryl as window manager I got a Server List window that was always in front?
[11:00] <ShadyTree> it's a bug
[11:00] <thumper> reported?
[11:00] <ShadyTree> you can drag it onto a diff desktop I gues
[11:00] <ShadyTree> idk
[11:00] <KevinAlaska> I see.. so by default autostart is empty.  like the startup folder in ((cough)) windowsxp ((cough cough))
[11:02] <KevinAlaska> thank you though.. I got it. woot. /bad_dance
[11:03] <sanelson_> is the uma only part of the installer?
[11:03] <Cosmo__> hmmm, getting ready to build a new system and can't decide between a AMD Athlon 64 x2 5600 or a core 2 duo e6400. any suggestions?
[11:04] <sanelson_> in fact, I didn't see it on install - is this another thing that kubuntu didn't get?
[11:04] <ShadyTree> I dont think Kubuntu got that either
[11:04] <ShadyTree> Kubuntu didnt get 1-click Compiz either
[11:05] <ShadyTree> I guess they wanted to test them out first before giving them to us
[11:07] <ShadyTree> I guess so
[11:07] <KevinAlaska> AMD tends to be better with games if thats important..   :-d
[11:08] <ShadyTree> probably not, since he's using Linux
[11:08] <KevinAlaska> I said "if"!  heh. :P
[11:09] <michael__> hmm
[11:09] <KevinAlaska> intel better at CAD, Database work etc.
[11:09] <michael__> http://pastebin.ca/515610 << can someone tell me how to stop this, i get that every apt-get
[11:09] <michael__> its because adept tried to uninstall a bunch of shit and i had to killl it beffore it finished
[11:09] <michael__> and i still want those programs soo....?
[11:09] <ShadyTree> michael__, run  sudo apt-get autoremove
[11:09] <ShadyTree> oh
[11:10] <ShadyTree> did you try reinstalling the ones you want
[11:10] <michael__> i dont know what it removed
[11:10] <michael__> i just want it to kepe those programs
[11:11] <KevinAlaska> rebooting.. brb.. so you have time to hide before I get back. ;P
[11:11] <ShadyTree> maybe thats from removing ubuntu-desktop
[11:12] <ShadyTree> maybe you removed a program that was linked to ubuntu-desktop, so ubuntu-desktop got deleted
[11:14] <_4strO> yop yop
[11:17] <harmental> Im having a weird problem with my wifi connection.....
[11:17] <harmental> but when i ping google or my router it doesnt find anything...
[11:17] <harmental> at startup...it seeems like it is connected to my router....
[11:18] <harmental> ive been having this problem since i upgraded to feisty....
[11:18] <harmental> i have to disconnect and then reconnect...
[11:18] <harmental> then its all ok...
[11:18] <harmental> any ideas?
[11:19] <Ash-Fox> !kfreebsd
[11:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kfreebsd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:20] <Cosmo__> hmmm, getting ready to build a new system and can't decide between a AMD Athlon 64 x2 5600 or a core 2 duo e6400. any suggestions?
[11:20] <adaptr> Cosmo__ you're repeating and have been answered
[11:21] <rothchild> harmental do you have knetworkmanager installed?
[11:21] <Cosmo__> adaptr: sorry must have missed the answer
[11:21] <adaptr> must have been another channel, then
[11:21] <harmental> rothchild: yeap...
[11:21] <adaptr> what do you intend to use it for ?
[11:22] <Cosmo__> games, video encoding, web surfing etc.
[11:23] <ShadyTree> [09:07]  <KevinAlaska> AMD tends to be better with games if thats important..   :-d
[11:23] <adaptr> get the core duo, then - it beats AMD by up to 30% for video work
[11:25] <rothchild> harmental I have a similar issue but it's not consistent sometimes knetwork manager crashes at boot and I have to hit ctrl / esc kill it and restart it, maybe if you're just using one AP you could configure it with /etc/network/interfaces ?
[11:25] <harmental> rothchild: AP?
[11:26] <rothchild> harmental sorry 'access point' (your wireless router)
[11:27] <harmental> what bugs me is that when do the whole disconnect/connect thing...it works like charm...
[11:27] <harmental> rothchild: and also that before doing that it "seems" to already connected....
[11:29] <epimeth> I don't think that the netman actually crashes... I think that the tray icon just doesn't appear
[11:30] <rothchild> epimeth, yeah it's still running cos I can see it in the process table but it doesn't allow me to connect
[11:31] <rothchild> where does knetwork manager keep it's log? is it possible to tail it?
[11:33] <harmental> rothchild: may i show you my /etc/network/interfaces file?
[11:34] <Ash-Fox> rothchild, I imagine daemon reloads from knetwork manager are logged in /var/log/syslog
[11:35] <rothchild> Ash-Fox thanks
[11:35] <rothchild> harmental sure we can compare, what card do you have?
[11:36] <harmental> rothchild: DLink DWL-G650 (PCMCIA)
[11:37] <wombat_> #ubuntu-au
[11:38] <wombat_> connect #ubuntu-au
[11:39] <_4strO> /join #ubuntu-au
[11:39] <wombat_> thx
[11:39] <_4strO> would be better ;)
[11:39] <wombat_> hi
[11:39] <_4strO> yo
[11:40] <wombat_> ur aussie, good 1
[11:40] <wombat_> u tried google earth yet?
[11:41] <_4strO> yes but didn't work fine
[11:41] <_4strO> too slow for me
[11:42] <rothchild> harmental here's mine http://pastebin.ca/515653
[11:42] <harmental> pastebin doesnt work here...donno whats happening...
[11:43] <rothchild> harmental try http://pastebin.ca/new.php
[11:43] <harmental> rothchild: heres mine
[11:43] <harmental> http://pastebin.ca/515656
[11:44] <_4strO> harmental: weird
[11:44] <_4strO> is it you who have written it ?
[11:44] <rothchild> they're very different aren't they!?
[11:45] <rothchild> does knetworkmanager rely on the interfaces file though?
[11:45] <harmental> _4strO: ive just modified the default file with my ath0 settings
[11:45] <_4strO> rothchild: yours is standard
[11:46] <rothchild> works though!
[11:46] <_4strO> harmental: i think have your wireless-key written like this in a file is weird
[11:46] <harmental> rothchild: where do you keep your wep?
[11:47] <rothchild> I use wpa and knetworkmanager handles it for me in conjunction with kwallet
[11:47] <harmental> _4strO: is there another way of doing it?
[11:47] <_4strO> harmental: just using the tool in system settings
[11:47] <harmental> _4strO: could you explain yourself pls?
[11:48] <_4strO> yes
[11:48] <harmental> _4strO: you mean network settings?
[11:48] <wombat_> dhclient wlan0 works too
[11:48] <_4strO> K / system setting / network
[11:48] <defcon_> im having a problem when I have allot of connections open/torrents and firefox windows/irc my ubuntu is internet is really slow even though my connection can handle it in windows
[11:48] <wombat_> wierd
[11:49] <wombat_> my connection rocks
[11:49] <wombat_> you on wifi?
[11:49] <_4strO> harmental: you see what i mean ?
[11:50] <tahsin> does anyone have a link for kubuntu newbie guide?
[11:50] <defcon_> k back
[11:50] <defcon_> any ideas?
[11:50] <wombat_> that BackTrack 2 looks like a mighty fine distro for all you pen testers
[11:50] <harmental> _4strO: yeap...but ive already tried that....
[11:50] <rothchild> hey tahsin you still at it good stuff
[11:50] <defcon_> bt2 rules
[11:51] <tahsin> hey rothchild
[11:51] <harmental> ok guys gimme a sec ...ill try rothchild file ....
[11:51] <wombat_> yeah its sweet, i wanna work out how to unleash all them exploits
[11:51] <tahsin> rothchild: can you help me in step 4
[11:51] <harmental> ill have to reboot.....
[11:51] <rothchild> tahsin www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:52] <rothchild> lol what of that baghira guide?
[11:52] <tahsin> rothchild: step 4 of baghira
[11:52] <tahsin> rothchild: yeah
[11:52] <wombat_> got a holiday soon to play with my linux toys
[11:52] <rothchild> hit me the link
[11:52] <tahsin> okay
[11:52] <tahsin> hold on
[11:53] <tahsin> rothchild: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/OS_Clone-en.php#step4
[11:53] <wombat_> defcon, you had a play with JTR yet?
[11:53] <tahsin> rothchild: i did buildset
[11:54] <tahsin> rothchild: but icons dont change ...i got the same onl kubuntu icons
[11:54] <rothchild> lol I don't even need to look this is icons isn't it?
[11:54] <ulrich> good morning =)
[11:54] <rothchild> did they build ok?
[11:54] <tahsin> rothchild:yup correct
[11:54] <tahsin> rothchild: yup guess so
[11:54] <rothchild> morning ulrich
[11:54] <wombat_> evenin
[11:54] <rothchild> no errors
[11:54] <tahsin> nope
[11:54] <tahsin> i got a file .tar.bz2
[11:55] <rothchild> just go k menu, system settings, appearance, icons, install new icons and point it at your tar.bz2 file that got made by the buildset
[11:55] <tahsin> rothchild:OS-L.tar.bz2
[11:56] <tahsin> rothchild: doing that
[11:57] <gary_> hey ppl
[11:58] <tahsin> rothchild: i hit apple but the icons dont seem to change
[11:59] <rothchild> sometimes it takes a minute to load them all up
[11:59] <tahsin> rothchild: it said updating conguration complete or something
[11:59] <xlinux__> any particular reason my buddies XP can played a burned DVD but I cant? I can play DVDs, so long as theyre store bought.. but ohhhhh hell no.. I have to boot to windows to watch a burned one
[11:59] <tahsin> rothchild: but no icon change
[12:00] <rothchild> tahsin can you see OSL in the list of icon sets?
[12:00] <jeffrey> when I do sudo apt-get update, I'm getting the following error:
[12:00] <tahsin> rothchild yes i can
[12:00] <jeffrey> GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[12:01] <rothchild> tahsin so click on it and hit apply
[12:01] <tahsin> rothchild yes i did that
[12:01] <tahsin> rothchild but no change
[12:01] <tahsin> rothchild same old kubuntu icons
[12:01] <rothchild> tahsin I'm afraid I don't know then
[12:02] <tahsin> :(
[12:02] <rothchild> tahsin you might want to go through the buildset process again
[12:02] <Andeh> Hey! I just installed the Kubuntu-Desktop package into my normal ubuntu install and i have a problem
[12:02] <tahsin> rothchild okay can u direct me?
[12:02] <xlinux__> soooo sick of everything giving problems... just gets to you after a while
[12:02] <rothchild> did you install the imagemagick package?
[12:03] <tahsin> rothchild yes i did
[12:03] <Andeh> Anyone remember the screen where you get a slider on how powerful your CPU is and how many effects you want?
[12:03] <harmental> rothchild and _4strO:
[12:03] <harmental> thx you guys.
[12:03] <fdoving> Andeh: yes, kpersonalizer
[12:03] <harmental> rothchild file worked like a charm for me!
[12:03] <Andeh> I need it to show again, if possible, cause my crappy laptop isnt happy with all KDE's effects
[12:03] <rothchild> harmental glad to hear it!
[12:04] <fdoving> Andeh: kmenu -> run command -> 'kpersonalizer'
[12:04] <Andeh> Yes thanks i did that
[12:04] <Andeh> Thanks
[12:04] <harmental> rothchild: still dont fully understand the problem though....
[12:04] <harmental> but...hey......right now it works ....that fine with me...
[12:05] <rothchild> harmental I think that knetwork manager uses HAL not the traditional 'interfaces' approach perhaps they just mess with each other?
[12:05] <Andeh> Also, Kde Control Center is not in my K Menu. I need to run the command manually. How do i put it in the menu?
[12:06] <xlinux__> anyone have any ideas why a burned DVD wont work in Kubuntu, but it will in XP? Store bought DVD's work fine
[12:07] <_4strO> harmental: cool :)
[12:08] <Andeh> Does SuperKaramba come with kubuntu?
[12:08] <_4strO> Andeh: not by default
[12:08] <Andeh> Ok, what's the package name?
[12:08] <fdoving> Andeh: guess :)
[12:09] <fdoving> i bet you'll guess right the first time.
[12:09] <Andeh> yaay
[12:09] <Andeh> :D
[12:09] <Andeh> Kde is fun... but running it proves how crappy and old my laptop is :-D
[12:10] <_4strO> Andeh: in kubuntu you have system settings, a kde kontrol light version by defaut ;)
[12:10] <Andeh> One of the best single core pentium 4's, a 3.06 GHz and only 512 mb of ram lol.
[12:10] <Andeh> _4strO: What?
[12:10] <_4strO> you have this : K /system settings
[12:11] <_4strO> it's like k kontrol but just a little lighter
[12:12] <Andeh> _4str0: Yes, clever of kubuntu to put the user friendlier one. My brain nearly exploded when i opened Control Center :-)
[12:13] <basse> hi, i'm running latest kubuntu, and for some reason after boot the network doesnt get real ip. if i run "dhclient" manually it gets one just fine.
[12:14] <basse> any idea how to start solving the problem? bootup doesnt show any messages, only graphical splash
[12:16] <Skiff> guys if you have a 120gb disk what would be a good way to partition?
[12:16] <Skiff> keep in mind Id like a separate partition to just dump crap I dl
[12:17] <ardchoille> Skiff: For a 120gb drive, I usually use half for "crap I dl", and the other half is divided into about 20gb for / and 40gb for /home
[12:17] <adaptr> Skiff I'd set aside 1GB for swap, and create a 16GB root partition; the rest goes to /home
[12:18] <Skiff> k
[12:18] <adaptr> I see no need to separate the crap from your /home, unless you intend to share it with multiple users
[12:18] <Skiff> 15-20gb root is for apps I dl?
[12:18] <adaptr> in which case see ardchoille
[12:18] <Skiff> adaptr, Im not
[12:18] <ardchoille> adaptr: I usually use it for file serving
[12:19] <adaptr> no, it is for the software you install, and 16GB is very, very generous - I run with 8GB root with about half being used
[12:19] <adaptr> but since it's kinda hard to grow later, better make it generous
[12:19] <rothchild> basse its in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:19] <Skiff> ok so should I chooes the guided option use the entire disk when I install?
[12:19] <ardchoille> Skiff: I have been using *ubuntu since warty and haven't ever used more than 6gb for the system
[12:19] <adaptr> you'll have ~95GB left for everything else
[12:20] <Andeh> Hi again
[12:20] <defcon_> help, for some reason my gnome log viewer closes as soon as I open it, could this be a problem since I installed kubuntu onto ubuntu?
[12:20] <ardchoille> but adaptr has a good point, best to make it generous now
[12:20] <Skiff> ok
[12:20] <Skiff> thanks
[12:20] <Skiff> Ill set it manually
[12:20] <adaptr> well, you were even more generous than me, at that
[12:21] <basse> rothchild: thjansk i check into it.  kubuntu is nice, but lot ofthings hidden, and system too new to me.. :)
[12:21] <adaptr> I'd rarely use more than 16GB , unless I intended to install many games (in /opt or wherever) and anticipated having to use a lot of space in /var
[12:21] <ardchoille> I tend to make daily backups and I keep them on the /storage (crap) partition along with mp3' and such
[12:21] <rothchild> basse this is a GRUB thing rather than a Kubuntu thing, most linux distros will use the same config
[12:21] <Andeh> My idea is to save lots of money, buy a dual core 2 and motherboard, more RAM, better graphics, better monitor, put Kubuntu on it and instal fluxbox for when i need to virtualise windows when i'm making music.
[12:21] <Andeh> Sound good?
[12:22] <adaptr> besides those, nothing in root grows much beyond your initial install
[12:22] <Andeh> Fluxbox because it is very light
[12:22] <Skiff> ok thank you gentlemen
[12:22] <adaptr> Andeh virtualize windows *how* ?
[12:22] <basse> rothchild: there isn't a key that i can press and get terminal view?  instead of disabling whole splash
[12:23] <Skiff> btw I shouldnt pick reiserfs right?
[12:23] <Skiff> ext3 for everything for the most part?
[12:23] <adaptr> Skiff yes
[12:23] <adaptr> keep it simple
[12:23] <ardchoille> Skiff: I've never used anything but ext3
[12:24] <ardchoille> Is reiser better than ext3?
[12:24] <Skiff> gotcha
[12:24] <adaptr> I've used reiser, it's only useful if you know you have to serve millions of tiny web pages
[12:24] <Andeh> adaptr: Wine when possible, (wine works with my windows music program) and VirtualBox when not.
[12:24] <Andeh> My licence expired and i made a lovely script that changes the date to when it was valid, runs my music program in Wine and changes it back when i close it.
[12:24] <adaptr> Andeh and do either of those allow you to access your sound hardware directly ?
[12:24] <adaptr> because if not, I wouldn't bother - it's Cubase all the way for me ;-)
[12:24] <rothchild> basse I'm not sure you may be interested in http://elibrary.fultus.com/technical/index.jsp?topic=/com.fultus.redhat.elinux4/manuals/rhel-rg-en-4/s1-grub-configfile.html
[12:25] <Andeh> adaptr: Depends how crappy your virtualisation setup is.
[12:25] <Andeh> Hmm. after installing KDE and using it, my HDD is getting filled with junk data
[12:25] <Andeh> lets see about this
[12:27] <Andeh> I also want 4 SATA disks for a software raid 0 setup. I need the Alternate Install CD, right?
[12:28] <adaptr> could be - why not do yourself a favour and set up RAID 10 ?
[12:28] <adaptr> you'd need a decent card for it, but it will be well worth it
[12:28] <adaptr> the adaptecs are around $150 or so, for 4 drives
[12:29] <adaptr> it will be so fast it's scary
[12:29] <ardchoille> hehe
[12:29] <Andeh> How exactly do raid combinations work?
[12:29] <adaptr> what do you mean ?
[12:29] <ardchoille> Apps open before you launch them, lol
[12:29] <Andeh> lol
[12:29] <adaptr> ardchoille I have seen this happen, yes ;-)
[12:30] <Andeh> I know raid 0, 1, 5 and a few others, but how does raid 10 work then?
[12:30] <adaptr> I have installed Windows 2003 server on a 6-disk 15K raid-10 set in 3-4 minutes
[12:30] <adaptr> Andeh it is a stripe set made up of mirrors
[12:30] <Andeh> adaptr: LOL
[12:30] <ardchoille> I saw OpenOffice.org calc open in less than 1 second on a high-end machine.. knocked my socks off.
[12:30] <adaptr> ardchoille without the preloader running ?
[12:30] <Andeh> adaptr: Uuuhhmm?
[12:30] <ardchoille> adaptr: Ah, I don't know about that preloader, it might have been running.
[12:31] <adaptr> ardchoille it usually is, so yeah
[12:31] <basse> rothchild: thanks..  for now, i just edited networking script to do some ifups and downs .. seems to work :)  there must be tools to do this in GUI too i guess..
[12:31] <Andeh> I can get a relatively cheap motherboard with 8 SATA ports, that should install ubuntu in several... seconds?
[12:31] <adaptr> no, it won't have actual RAID functionality
[12:31] <adaptr> forget that
[12:31] <adaptr> for RAID, you *pay* :)
[12:31] <basse> with all the wonderful gui tools, i always seem to miss all of them.. and have to go around of things
[12:32] <SubOne> My videos skip and stutter in firefox/mplayer. I know it's not the connection. Any hints on fixing this?
[12:32] <Andeh> Can anyone tell me what might have caused my / directory free space to go from 50% to 5% after installing Kubuntu-Desktop?
[12:32] <Andeh> I definately had several gigs so i know the actual installation didnt do that... Any ideas?
[12:32] <adaptr> Andeh erm.. the KDE libraries ?
[12:33] <adaptr> Andeh run aptitude clean to remove all downloaded packages, that will get rid of a gig or so
[12:33] <Andeh> adaptr: Which would only cause the free space to go down to 40%
[12:33] <Andeh> ooh ok
[12:33] <Andeh> yeh that probably it
[12:36] <Andeh> is raid 10 faster than raid 0?
[12:36] <Andeh> and why would software raid be a bad idea?
[12:37] <Andeh> ??
[12:37] <tahsin> how do i copy a .tar.bz2 to usr/share/icons  ? ?
[12:37] <ardchoille> What's the command for the ooffice preloader?
[12:38] <MartyMcFly> how do I switch the sound from my sound blaster live sound card to my USB headset?
[12:38] <tahsin> ardchoille: how do i copy that tarball to usr/share/icons ?
[12:39] <ardchoille> tahsin: sudo cp /path/to/tarball /usr/share/icons
[12:39] <Jucato> tahsin: are you installing a complete icon theme?
[12:39] <Andeh> Why shouldnt i use software raid?
[12:39] <tahsin> jucato: yes i am
[12:40] <Jucato> tahsin: why not just use the icon theme installer in System Settings -> Appearance -> Icons?
[12:40] <Andeh> and if i make regular backups and just want SPEED, i should use raid 0 right?
[12:40] <tahsin> jucato: that doesnt work for this particular icon theme
[12:40] <Jucato> then it's probably not a complete icon theme, and you would probably have to copy the icons to their proper places by hand
[12:41] <tahsin> ardchoille: cp: omitting directory `/home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons/OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit'
[12:41] <adaptr> Andeh software raid is not a bad idea at all, but using raid-0 for anything is laughably stupid
[12:41] <adaptr> unless it's swap
[12:41] <Andeh> adaptr: Why?
[12:41] <adaptr> because it fails twice as much as a single drive ?
[12:41] <tahsin> jucato: its a complete icon theme i guess
[12:41] <ardchoille> Jucato: It's an icon set created from a build script, it works but it uses a "index.theme" instead of a "desktop.theme" which is why I think kcontrol pukes on it.
[12:41] <Andeh> If i make regular backups then it wont suck, right?
[12:42] <Jucato> ardchoille: Icon themes use index.theme :)
[12:42] <adaptr> Andeh if you make regular backups of the entire 4-disk stripe set ? where would you put that ?
[12:42] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ok, then this one uses a desktop.theme file instead.
[12:42] <tahsin> ardchoille: cp: omitting directory `/home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons/OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit'
[12:42] <adaptr> I would advise against using anything smaller then 250GB SATA2 these days, as they cost next to nothing
[12:42] <ardchoille> The theme works, tho
[12:42] <Andeh> adaptr: No, backups of the data they contain. This i would put on an external hard drive.
[12:42] <tahsin> ardchoille: how do i copy it?
[12:42] <kristina> hi, what was the command to make sure I own all the files in my home directory?
[12:42] <adaptr> so you'd end up with a 1TB system, and you would back this up how ?
[12:42] <Andeh> Just my homefolder anyway
[12:43] <adaptr> Andeh how big are these 4 drives ?
[12:43] <Andeh> adaptr: Depends but i am 12 years old and dont have too much money to spend on drives.
[12:43] <tahsin> i tried this without success tahsin@tahsin-desktop:~$ sudo cp /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons/OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit /usr/share/icons
[12:43] <ardchoille> tahsin: Dude, please ask someone else. Too often I give you commands and you either don't pay attention or I don't know what. And you really need to stop with the eye candy and learn basic file system navigation, then ome back to the eye candy.
[12:44] <adaptr> Andeh what I would not do, however, is run raid-10 in software, because there is no direct module for it, so you'd end up with running raid-0 on top of 2 raid-1 arrays, which is 3 times the processing
[12:44] <tahsin> ardchoille: :(
[12:44] <adaptr> Andeh okay, so why would you want to buy 4 drives in the first place ?
[12:44] <Andeh> adaptr: But i could run raid 1 or raid 0 in software, right? I also read software raid 5 is crap.
[12:44] <adaptr> if you want to save money then buy one, or 2, or 3 - not as many as will fit
[12:44] <tahsin> jucato: can you help me here ?
[12:45] <Andeh> adaptr: Cause my current drives suck in size and speed and in raid 0 the more the better?
[12:45] <adaptr> Andeh software raid-5 is *slow*, yes
[12:45] <Jucato> tahsin: um I'm not familiar with the icon theme. sorry
[12:45] <adaptr> Andeh not so, invest a little in security now, thank me later
[12:45] <Andeh> adaptr: yes, no point in software raid 5. Like a bad complex version of raid 1.
[12:45] <adaptr> Andeh is this for a desktop system ?
[12:45] <tahsin> jucato: no just teach me how to copy a file to /usr/share/icons
[12:45] <Jucato> ardchoille, tahsin: although if it does't use the correct index.theme, then I doubt KDE will be able to see it as a valid icon theme
[12:46] <adaptr> Andeh not at all, we use it extensively, but then our raid controllers cost a bit more than your entire computer ;)
[12:46] <Jucato> tahsin: don't. not in /usr/share/icons. just put in ~/.kde/share/icons
[12:46] <Andeh> adaptr: Yes. I would never use a raid 0 for a professional environment.
[12:46] <tahsin> jucato: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/OS_Clone-en.php#step4
[12:46] <adaptr> Andeh that's pretty funny, you talking about a "porfessional environment" ;-)
[12:46] <Jucato> tahsin: extract the contents of the .tar.bz2 into ~/.kde/share/icons
[12:46] <adaptr> erm
[12:46] <ardchoille> tahsin: When you get a chance, please read this page.. it'll help you a great deal: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[12:47] <tahsin> ardchoille: thnx
[12:47] <Andeh> adaptr: Well i can't start one at my age can i?
[12:47] <Andeh> I use web hosting lol
[12:47] <Andeh> Cant be bothered with my own server. Even my router doesnt work properly lol
[12:47] <Andeh> Now back to the raidf
[12:48] <Andeh> raid*
[12:48] <Jucato> tahsin: Download the file in the ~/.kde/share/icons/ directory (~ is your home). Unzip it, you get an OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit/ folder. Enter this folder and launch the buildset script from a console (type F4 from konqueror to open a console in the current directory):
[12:48] <tahsin> jucato: i did those
[12:48] <Jucato> tahsin: it says in ~/.kde/share/icons/ not in /usr/share/icons
[12:48] <Andeh> If i could buy a bunch of small second hand identical SATA drives, what would be the best thing to do with them if i wanted optimal speed?
[12:48] <Jucato> tahsin: ok just reading
[12:48] <tahsin> jucato: in the forth paragrahph
[12:49] <Jucato> tahsin: so it doesn't work from System Settings?
[12:49] <tahsin> jucato: nope
[12:49] <MartyMcFly> how do I switch the sound output from my sound blaster live sound card to my USB headset?
[12:49] <tahsin> jucato: BUT IT FAILED ON MANDRIVE @))% and also on my kubuntu
[12:49] <tahsin> MANDRIVA 2005
[12:50] <Jucato> hm.. I can't seem to remember the correct commands for this
[12:51] <Andeh> adaptr: Ok, if i had 4 identical 80 GB SATA hard drives, and no raid controller, and wanted speed, what should i do?
[12:51] <adaptr> Andeh don't by second-hand hard drives - ever
[12:51] <Jucato> which is why I can't give you a command.. it requries sudo... which is a bit scary
[12:51] <Andeh> adaptr: LOL
[12:51] <tahsin> jucato: okay
[12:51] <adaptr> Andeh in that case, set up 2 in a raid-1 for your system, and the remaning two as another raid-1 for whatever
[12:51] <adaptr> there is no excuse for using raid-0, ever
[12:51] <Andeh> adaptr: Ahem. SPEED.
[12:52] <adaptr> unless you're doing heavy video work and need lots of scratch space
[12:52] <adaptr> Andeh system. DIE. ahem.
[12:52] <Andeh> Raid 1 is not speed.
[12:52] <Andeh> I said i make backups.
[12:52] <adaptr> no, it's security
[12:52] <adaptr> well, it's your early funreal
[12:52] <adaptr> bleh
[12:53] <Andeh> Strange how my 12 year old computer hasnt had one funeral yet
[12:53] <adaptr> really, get a medium drive for your system and a big one for data, all done
[12:53] <adaptr> 12 years old ? and you will put SATA in that how ?
[12:53] <Andeh> and it actually runs faster than my windows xp install
[12:53] <adaptr> wait - it was a birth present ? :)
[12:53] <Andeh> No.
[12:54] <ardchoille> Jucato: I placed that icon tarball in /usr/share/icons, unpacked it, went to kcontrol and the icons were there in the icons list. I chose them, clicked Apply and my icons changed to the new theme. I don't know why he is having trouble with it.
[12:54] <Andeh> Be right back...
[12:54] <adaptr> potty time ?
[12:54] <Andeh> Shut up
[12:54] <Jucato> ardchoille: he's having trouble actually extracting the tarball. I forgot the correct commands :/
[12:54] <ardchoille> adaptr: too much info, lol
[12:54] <adaptr> heh
[12:55] <tahsin> ardchoille: i didnt put it in /usr/share/icons
[12:55] <ardchoille> tahsin: Where did you put it?
[12:55] <tahsin> ardchoille: i COULDNT put it in /usr/share/icons
[12:55] <Ace2016> raid 10, wouldn't that be better?
[12:56] <tahsin> ardchoille: its in /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons
[12:56] <adaptr> Ace2016 yes
[12:56] <ardchoille> tahsin: cd /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons && ls -a    <-- tell me the last few letters of the icon tarball
[12:56] <tahsin> ardchoille: im having trouble putting it in /usr/share/icons
[12:56] <tahsin> OS-L.tar.bz2
[12:57] <florian> hello
[12:57] <ardchoille> tahsin: cd /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons && tar xjf OS-L.tar.bz2
[12:58] <ardchoille> tahsin: Then restart kcontrol and see if they're in the icon list
[01:00] <tahsin> ardchoille: does that put the tarball in /usr/share/icons ?
[01:00] <ardchoille> tahsin: No, it's already in /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons
[01:01] <tahsin> ardchoille: yes but i have to put it in /usr/share/icons as said by the tutorial
[01:01] <tahsin> ardchoille: and then delete the one in /home/tahsin/.kde.....
[01:01] <ariez> hello??
[01:02] <tahsin> hello rothchild
[01:02] <rothchild> hey ariez
[01:02] <rothchild> hello again tahsin how are you getting along?
[01:02] <tahsin> rothchild yeah im still stuck but i think i got a way
[01:02] <tahsin> rothchild just dont know how to copy a file
[01:03] <ardchoille> tahsin: I feel it's best at this point for you to learn how to use sudo and how to properly navigate the fs as I don't want to be a party in breaking your system.
[01:03] <ariez> Ubuntu rulez
[01:03] <adaptr> thanks for that sentiment
[01:03] <tahsin> ardchoille: dont worry about the system im using linux to experiment so braking the system wont hurt me lol
[01:03] <tahsin> breaking*
[01:04] <rothchild> ehem Kubuntu rulez
[01:04] <rothchild> ;-)
[01:05] <tahsin> rothchild ardchoille  : i have this file OS-L.tar.bz2 loactd in /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons/OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit  ...and i want to copy it to /usr/share/icons how do i go about ?
[01:05] <tahsin> located*
[01:06] <rothchild> kdesu konqueror
[01:06] <ardchoille> tahsin: Ok, I'll give you the command to copy and paste into the terminal.
[01:06] <sylvestre> hi all
[01:06] <tahsin> ardchoille: yes please
[01:07] <ardchoille> tahsin: sudo cp /home/tahsin/.kde/share/icons/OS-L-IconSet-Buildkit/OS-L.tar.bz2 /usr/share/icons
[01:07] <sylvestre> what's the language of this chan, english?
[01:07] <ardchoille> tahsin: cd /usr/share/icons && sudo tar xjf OS-L.tar.bz2
[01:07] <tahsin> ardchoille: thanks got it copied
[01:07] <SlimeyPete> yes
[01:07] <SlimeyPete> english
[01:07] <sylvestre> thanks
[01:08] <sylvestre> (i'am new and i'm lost ^^'
[01:08] <user_> hi everyone
[01:09] <user_> just installed my PC with Kubuntu 7.04
[01:09] <user_> but don't know where to go after this :)
[01:09] <sylvestre> me too
[01:09] <sylvestre> lol
[01:09] <user_> can anyone help me?
[01:10] <user_> what should i do next
[01:10] <tahsin> ardchoille rothchild : thanks got it working finally
[01:10] <SlimeyPete> user_: well, what do you want to do?
[01:10] <rothchild> woo!
[01:10] <tahsin> :d
[01:10] <rothchild> user_ what are you trying to do?
[01:10] <tahsin> WoW the icons are cool
[01:11] <SlimeyPete> user_: you can use "Add/Remove Programs" or "Synaptic" from the menus to install software
[01:11] <user_> i need to get simple apps like DVD & MP3 playing
[01:11] <sylvestre> Join #kubuntu fr
[01:11] <sylvestre> oh
[01:11] <sylvestre> sorry
[01:11] <SlimeyPete> oh wait, I just remembered I'm in 'kubuntu not 'ubuntu ;)
[01:12] <SlimeyPete> user_: you use "Adept" to install software
[01:12] <rothchild> user_ I'd reccomend having a look at www.ubuntuguide.org espcially the bit on adding extra repositories
[01:13] <user_> a lot of things inside Adept Installer are disabled
[01:13] <sylvestre> were can i find a french chan please? (i'm french and totaly lost)
[01:14] <user_> how to enable?
[01:14] <SlimeyPete> user_: disabled?
[01:14] <Andeh> Ok, now without telling me my idea is horrible, CAN i install Kubuntu over a Software raid 0 and will it be faster?
[01:14] <user_> yes
[01:14] <SlimeyPete> user_: do you mean they're not installed? if so, just tick them and hit "apply" (or is it "install"... I'm not in kubuntu at the moment I'm afraid)
[01:15] <user_> ic
[01:15] <SlimeyPete> user_: this is the main way of installing software in Kubuntu. When you tell Adept to install something it will automatically grab the relevant software from the internet and install it for you automatically.
[01:16] <SlimeyPete> user_: if you look around in the menus, there should be an option to add Universe and Multiverse repositories. If you enable these and then reload you package lists, you will be able to install many thousands of applications from within Adept
[01:17] <user_> ok i'll try them out. Thx SlimeyPete :)
[01:18] <SlimeyPete> no problem.
[01:18] <root> hi
[01:19] <root> Dear how can i repair my KUBUNTU 7.40
[01:19] <root> any one can help
[01:19] <root> ,e
[01:19] <root> how can i repair my system
[01:19] <root> ???
[01:20] <root> any one
[01:20] <root> \??
[01:20] <root> is any one here
[01:20] <root> ?
[01:20] <SlimeyPete> well.. we can't help you unless you describe your problem
[01:21] <root> the problem is
[01:21] <root> i can't logged in kubuntu via normal start up
[01:21] <root> i have to use
[01:21] <root> recovey option
[01:21] <SlimeyPete> does it give you an error message?
[01:21] <root> and then have to start the x server
[01:21] <root> the message
[01:22] <root> is
[01:22] <root> sensor limit fail
[01:22] <shampoonator_> cd kde
[01:22] <shampoonator_> ARGZ ><
[01:23] <root> ??
[01:23] <shampoonator_> i wanted todo /join #kde ;)
[01:23] <Andeh> Does anyone here know exactly what is different between MEPIS and Kubuntu? I mean any drastic differences that might be worth noting
[01:23] <SlimeyPete> root: not seen that before
[01:24] <root> ahan
[01:24] <root> so tell me how can i repair all the OS
[01:24] <root> WITHOUT REINSTALLING IT
[01:25] <SlimeyPete> don't shout.
[01:25] <Andeh> Caps is fine too
[01:25] <Andeh> RAWR
[01:25] <SlimeyPete> I don't think you can, to be honest. This sounds like a kernel issue.
[01:26] <root> well give me an idea
[01:26] <rc-win-2-linux> help pls
[01:26] <SlimeyPete> I can't. I don't have any ideas to give.
[01:26] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: help with what?
[01:27] <root> i don understand
[01:27] <root> slimey
[01:27] <rc-win-2-linux> closing /etc/..../network
[01:27] <SlimeyPete> root: I don't know how to solve your problem, sorry.
[01:27] <root> okay
[01:27] <root> and where is ubuntu
[01:27] <rc-win-2-linux> i've typed in my config i want and now wht?
[01:28] <SlimeyPete> root: what do you mean "where is"? www.ubuntu.com
[01:28] <rc-win-2-linux> btw it's ubuntu 7.04 server
[01:28] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: you mean you've altered your network config? do a "sudo ifdown eth0; sudo ifup eth0" where eth0 is your network device
[01:29] <baudthief> I have severe tearing while watching videos with fast-action scenes or draging windows sideways - I'm running nvidia-glx (as far as I can tell) and vsync is enabled... any ideas?
[01:29] <rc-win-2-linux> sorry my wrong
[01:29] <rc-win-2-linux> vi /etc/../network
[01:29] <rc-win-2-linux> vi /etc/../network/interfaces
[01:29] <Skiff> guys the only way to view all yoru partitions is through fdisk or some other app, or maybe there is a command?
[01:30] <SlimeyPete> what's with the ..?
[01:30] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: you don't want to put the ".." in there. That will open a new file called /network/interfaces.
[01:30] <SlimeyPete> Skiff: there's a utility called parted, and a gui one called gparted.
[01:31] <Skiff> thanks
[01:31] <SlimeyPete> I don't use them though, myself. I use fdisk, because I'm used to it.
[01:31] <rc-win-2-linux> SlimeyPete i have the correct vi etc/network/interfaces
[01:33] <adi> you can use parted print
[01:33] <ubuntu__> hi
[01:33] <PeterJB> hi
[01:33] <rc-win-2-linux> SlimeyPete i have done what i wanted to change, now how do I save this config ?
[01:33] <ubuntu__> i have installed ubuntu on one hard disk
[01:33] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: ah right. Press escape, then type ":wq"
[01:33] <Andeh> How do i make the K menu button... bigger?
[01:33] <Andeh> Or can i change the icon?
[01:33] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: in future, you may find that nano is easier to use than vi.
[01:34] <Andeh> Yes, nano seems much easier to learn
[01:34] <Andeh> I almost rebooted X when i got stuck in VI lol
[01:35] <rc-win-2-linux> SlimeyPete I'm following a how to but there is now instruction as to how to save the config
[01:36] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: like I said, press escape then type ":wq"
[01:36] <ubuntu__> is it possible to dual boot
[01:36] <SlimeyPete> then hit enter
[01:36] <ubuntu__> help me pls
[01:36] <adaptr> rc-win-2-linux press Esc, then :w to writ eit, then :q to quit
[01:36] <adaptr> oh, he's hard of reading
[01:36] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu__: yes. Many people dual-boot.
[01:36] <rc-win-2-linux> SlimeyPete :-) Ah thx a lot
[01:36] <ardchoille> !dual-boot | ubuntu__ Have a look at this:
[01:36] <ubotu> ubuntu__ Have a look at this:: Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[01:36] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: no problem :)
[01:36] <ubuntu__> how can i do that if have 2 os installed already on 2 different harddisks
[01:37] <Andeh> Where do i change the background color of Konqueror? Mine is black and it looks horrible
[01:37] <PeterJB> ubuntu__: You could also try running winxp in vmware server http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183209
[01:37] <Andeh> In folders i mean
[01:37] <ardchoille> Andeh: View -> Configure Background
[01:37] <Andeh> oh lol
[01:37] <ardchoille> :)
[01:38] <rc-win-2-linux> SlimeyPete I think I'll keep this channel open, i might need you again with this howto
[01:38] <Andeh> No, it's not there and i dont see it in konqueror settings either
[01:38] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: OK. I can't guarantee I'll be here (I keep the channel open 24/7, but I'm not always watching)
[01:38] <SlimeyPete> but if I'm here I'll try to help.
[01:38] <ardchoille> Andeh: It's not there?
[01:39] <ardchoille> Andeh: Do you mean the left pane or right pane of konqueror?
[01:39] <rc-win-2-linux> SlimeyPete I understand 100% thanks again
[01:39] <Andeh> Never mind found it
[01:40] <Andeh> LOL
[01:40] <Andeh> I turned on the option to enter 3 stars for every character in a password field and it looks really funny
[01:41] <ardchoille> lol
[01:42] <hyper_ch> hiho
[01:42] <Andeh> Wow... KDE itself is a bit slower than gnome on my old machine but Adept runs about 50 times faster than Synaptic, and seems to have all the functions
[01:42] <Andeh> lol
[01:43] <tapas> is there a way to make kde not shuffle my desktop icons around on every login?
[01:43] <Andeh> I used to wait for minutes when doing a search in synaptic
[01:43] <Andeh> lol
[01:43] <Andeh> adept does this in under a second yay
[01:44] <hyper_ch> tapas: save the session upon exiting
[01:44] <tapas> hyper_ch: bah this saves all open programs with it right?
[01:44] <tapas> i don't want to go that route ;)
[01:45] <tapas> session management always sucks in one way or another. or at least it always has whenever i tried it..
[01:45] <hyper_ch> tapas: save the session once...
[01:45] <hyper_ch> so everytime you login that one session is started again
[01:45] <tapas> hmm, i mean: it works for the icons on the panel. then why not for the ones on the desktop?
[01:45] <WeeJeWel> Anyone managed to install orinoco on kubuntu?
[01:46] <tapas> hyper_ch: but i will try your advice. thanks..
[01:46] <Andeh> Where can i manage sessions in KDE?
[01:46] <hyper_ch> tapas: good luck :)
[01:46] <hyper_ch> Andeh: what do you mean by "manage sessions"?
[01:47] <Andeh> In gnome i can choose if i want it to automatically save the session on logout, ask me, or not, etc. Where is this in KDE?
[01:47] <WeeJeWel> What does this mean?
[01:47] <WeeJeWel> ehh, hold on lol
[01:47] <WeeJeWel> ./home/emile/orinoco/orinoco.c: In functie orinoco_get_drvinfo:
[01:48] <WeeJeWel> ./home/emile/orinoco/orinoco.c:4287: fout: struct net_device has no member named dev
[01:48] <carles> erm
[01:48] <carles> how can i install NTFS-3G
[01:48] <carles> i dont find it in the default repositori
[01:48] <Andeh> hyper_ch: Where is that feature in KDE?
[01:48] <hyper_ch> why does one want to
[01:48] <hyper_ch> Andeh: dunno
[01:48] <Andeh> hyper_ch: The stuff about sessions>
[01:48] <carles> in adept i mean
[01:49] <hyper_ch> Andeh: I don't use kde... but when exiting the gui you should be able to save the session
[01:49] <Andeh> lol you dont use kde
[01:49] <Andeh> I already changed it to autosave it, but i dont want it anymore
[01:49] <carles> i want to access a 2nd hd which is ntfs
[01:49] <wagnix> I just installed kubuntu 3 days ago and my graphic settings have changed each time I have rebooted and now it wont load anything over 640x480.... suggestions?
[01:50] <rc-win-2-linux> could somebody pls check out the hosts section @ http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu704_p3 and tell if that looks right?
[01:50] <carles> i want to access a 2nd hd which is ntfs, they told me about NTFS-3G but i cant find in adept, can any1 help me plz?
[01:51] <rc-win-2-linux> my hosts file only has 127... localhost and not a third entry, is that right?
[01:51] <rc-win-2-linux> third entry in the same row
[01:52] <DJServers> darn i have canged the wrong thing now have to reinstall kubuntu :P now doing that :P
[01:55] <rc-win-2-linux> SlimeyPete - in nano how do i save the edited file? sorry for all the silly Q's but i very new to linux
[01:55] <gnomefreak> DJServers: what did you change?
[01:55] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: ctrl+x
[01:55] <rc-win-2-linux> SlimeyPete - thx
[01:55] <gnomefreak> DJServers: you should beable to in most cases remove ~/.kde but you will lose all settings you have set
[01:55] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: there are keyboard shortcuts listed at the bottom. ^ means ctrl.
[01:55] <gnomefreak> s/remove/move-rename
[01:56] <rc-win-2-linux> SlimeyPete - that's where i went wrong i tried alt
[01:56] <DJServers> well
[01:56] <SlimeyPete> rc-win-2-linux: ah right :)
[01:56] <DJServers> i have changed something in the System setings for my 2 screen and the hole pc crash i am now on the cd
[01:57] <gnomefreak> DJServers: did you try booting into the safemode kernel and reverting your changes?
[01:57] <DJServers> yep didnt work
[02:01] <DJServers> has someone got a ehm.. how to say it..... changing device for a video cart from DFP to CRT ?
[02:04] <_4strO> DJServers: ?
[02:04] <_4strO> you want go back to your old config ?
[02:04] <DJServers> no my old config whas shit thats why i wanted to change it
[02:06] <_4strO> DJServers: ok but now you cant start your X server ?
[02:06] <_4strO> think it isnt  better :p
[02:06] <ReMiiRuru> How can I check my aperture?
[02:07] <DJServers> no i cant start it anymore
[02:07] <_4strO> ReMiiRuru: aperture ?
[02:07] <DJServers> when i boot it just wond start up
[02:08] <_4strO> DJServers: ??? have you an error message ?
[02:09] <ReMiiRuru> _4strO: I'm not sure what is that, but I read up on forums that if it's set to 32mb nvidia drivers won't work with the same effect as it doesn't work for me...
[02:09] <DJServers> no look when i swict my pc on it begins booting i get the kubuntu loading screen after that it stops
[02:09] <ReMiiRuru> _4strO:  It has something to do with AGP... I think @_@;
[02:10] <_4strO> ReMiiRuru: ok i see, have a look on this file : /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:10] <DraxNS> any known issues with fglrx and shutdown?
[02:11] <_4strO> ReMiiRuru: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep aperture
[02:11] <_4strO> (in a console)
[02:12] <DraxNS> any known issues with fglrx and shutdown? _4strO ?
[02:12] <ReMiiRuru> _4strO: no results, there's nothing about aperture(nor agp) in my xorg.conf
[02:12] <_4strO> DraxNS: nop i use the free driveer for myself
[02:12] <silfar> hi
[02:12] <silfar> for all
[02:12] <_4strO> hi silfar
[02:12] <DraxNS> _4strO: you have 3D?
[02:12] <_4strO> yes
[02:13] <DraxNS> HOW?
[02:13] <_4strO> :)
[02:13] <DraxNS> :-)
[02:13] <_4strO> DraxNS: wich video card have you ?
[02:13] <DraxNS> ati x200 int in laptop
[02:13] <_4strO> mmm
[02:14] <_4strO> think you can use the free driver
[02:14] <DraxNS> dunno... was working fine on edgy
[02:14] <DraxNS> fglrx
[02:14] <MaTiAz> Hmm, any idea why Beryl doesn't work? I've got a Geforce 6200 and newest drivers, and direct rendering is working
[02:14] <DraxNS> now.. it just hangs.. and it is in loop on shutdown/restart/logoff from KDE
[02:15] <silfar> _4strO: hi, how I have config nvidia driver on kubuntu
[02:15] <MaTiAz> When I select Beryl as the window manager in beryl manager, the screen just flashes a bit and the window manager stays as KWin :\
[02:15] <DraxNS> but in session.. it works :-)
[02:15] <ReMiiRuru> _4strO: Nevermind, I found out my aperture, it's 32mb big, which means bad.
[02:16] <DraxNS> !slmodem
[02:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about slmodem - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:16] <DraxNS> damn
[02:17] <DraxNS> anyone fixed no carrier error with smartlink modem driver?
[02:17] <wagnix> anyone know why my resolution would keep changing or why I only have the one choice in settings now?
[02:17] <Skiff> damn Im having problems with installing nvidia drivers :/
[02:18] <DraxNS> install is easy...
[02:18] <DraxNS> ;-)
[02:18] <_4strO> ReMiiRuru: how you find it ?
[02:18] <Skiff> I did the system>administration>Restricted Devices Manager  for nvidia drivers
[02:18] <Skiff> now nothing works
[02:18] <DraxNS> linux-restricted and nvidia
[02:18] <_4strO> silfar: sorry i dont know anything about Nvidia
[02:19] <silfar> _4strO: thanks
[02:19] <DraxNS> you have to change nv to nvidia in /etc/xorg/conf silfar
[02:19] <DraxNS> sorry
[02:19] <DraxNS> you have to change nv to nvidia in /etc/xorg/conf Skiff
[02:19] <DraxNS> section device... if I am not mistaken
[02:19] <Skiff> DraxNS, which editor should I use
[02:19] <Skiff> ?
[02:19] <DraxNS> kdesu kate
[02:19] <_4strO> kate
[02:20] <Skiff> kate /etc/xorg.conf ?
[02:20] <DraxNS> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:21] <Skiff> $ kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:21] <Skiff> kdesu: cannot connect to X server
[02:21] <DraxNS> ???
[02:22] <DraxNS> have you typed that in konsole or where? Skiff
[02:22] <Skiff> DraxNS, yeah
[02:22] <Skiff> console
[02:22] <Skiff> Ill nano edit it
[02:22] <DraxNS> sudo dpkg-xserver-reconfigure
[02:22] <Skiff> thanks
[02:22] <DraxNS> you have terminal within X or just terminal?
[02:23] <Skiff> just terminal
[02:23] <_4strO> :p
[02:23] <DraxNS> so no X :-)
[02:23] <Skiff> yep
[02:23] <Skiff> nano will do ?
[02:23] <_4strO> yes
[02:23] <DraxNS> in that case... yes... nano will do
[02:23] <_4strO> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:23] <DraxNS> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:23] <DraxNS> :-)
[02:24] <_4strO> DraxNS: you play 3D games ?
[02:24] <DraxNS> one... :-)
[02:24] <DraxNS> ET RTCW :-)
[02:24] <_4strO> which one ?
[02:25] <Skiff> Section "Screen"
[02:25] <Skiff>         Identifier      "Default Screen"
[02:25] <Skiff>         Device          "nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] "
[02:25] <Skiff>         Monitor         "DELL D1028L"
[02:25] <Skiff>         Defaultdepth    24
[02:25] <DraxNS> but that from desktop with nvidia :-)
[02:25] <DraxNS> Skiff: no
[02:25] <Skiff> the graphics card is correct as well as the monitor
[02:25] <DraxNS> find line with driver
[02:26] <Skiff> Section "Device"
[02:26] <Skiff>         Identifier      "nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] "
[02:26] <Skiff>         Driver          "nvidia"
[02:26] <Skiff>         Option          "AddARGBVisuals"        "True"
[02:26] <Skiff>         Option          "AddARGBGLXVisuals"     "True"
[02:26] <Skiff>         Option          "NoLogo"        "True"
[02:26] <Skiff> EndSection
[02:26] <DraxNS> Section "Device"
[02:26] <DraxNS>   identifier "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] "
[02:26] <DraxNS>   boardname "nv"
[02:26] <DraxNS>   busid "PCI:2:0:0"
[02:26] <DraxNS>   driver "nvidia"
[02:26] <DraxNS>   screen 0
[02:26] <DraxNS> EndSection
[02:26] <DraxNS> try mine... just keep yuor ident
[02:27] <thernymous> can i boot the livecd in console mode (ie. without it starting x) ?
[02:27] <DraxNS> live... no
[02:27] <unbenutzerNiCK> CAPTCHA
[02:28] <thernymous> DraxNS: ah ok, thx
[02:28] <_4strO> weird you dont have a busid in your device section
[02:28] <Skiff> DraxNS, sorry this is what I have as well Section "Device"
[02:28] <Skiff>         Identifier      "nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] "
[02:28] <Skiff>         Driver          "nvidia"
[02:28] <Skiff>         Option          "AddARGBVisuals"        "True"
[02:28] <Skiff>         Option          "AddARGBGLXVisuals"     "True"
[02:28] <Skiff>         Option          "NoLogo"        "True"
[02:28] <Skiff> EndSection
[02:29] <DraxNS> and no modeline/resolution
[02:29] <Skiff> hmm?
[02:29] <_4strO> think you should have a busid line in
[02:29] <DraxNS> yup..
[02:29] <DraxNS> what kubuntu?
[02:29] <Skiff> its ubuntu
[02:29] <DraxNS> dapper/edgy/feisty?
[02:29] <Skiff> feisty
[02:29] <_4strO> type : lspci to have the good value for the line busid "PCI:2:0:0"
[02:29] <DraxNS> whatever
[02:30] <DraxNS> here is mine
[02:30] <DraxNS> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  (rev a1)
[02:30] <DraxNS> just to help you find it ;-)
[02:30] <Skiff> like so
[02:30] <Skiff> Section "Device"
[02:30] <Skiff>         Identifier      "nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] "
[02:30] <Skiff>         Driver          "nvidia"
[02:30] <Skiff>         busid           "PCI:2:0:0"
[02:30] <Skiff>         Option          "AddARGBVisuals"        "True"
[02:30] <Skiff>         Option          "AddARGBGLXVisuals"     "True"
[02:30] <Skiff>         Option          "NoLogo"        "True"
[02:30] <Skiff> EndSection
[02:31] <Skiff> ?
[02:31] <DraxNS> add screen 0
[02:31] <DraxNS> and CHECK if busid is OK!
[02:31] <Skiff> thnx
[02:32] <DraxNS> now.. back to slmodem... anyone here knows anything about it?
[02:32] <DraxNS> was working fine on edgy
[02:32] <DraxNS> does not work on feisty
[02:32] <DraxNS> no carrier error ... whatever I do
[02:32] <Skiff> nano saves automatically?
[02:33] <DraxNS> and I tried almost anything I could find
[02:33] <Skiff> just ctrl+x ?
[02:33] <DraxNS> uhhh..
[02:33] <DraxNS> let me check...
[02:33] <DraxNS> crtl+o
[02:33] <ReMiiRuru> Ah~~~ I won~~ nvidia drivers finally work for me~~ T_T me is so happy~
[02:33] <Skiff> thnx
[02:34] <DraxNS> after ctrl+o do ctrl+x ;-)
[02:34] <DraxNS> and ctrl+alt+backspace
[02:35] <DraxNS> or startx
[02:35] <DraxNS> maybe last one is better... it will produce an error if cannot start x
[02:35] <DraxNS> so it will give us a clue
[02:36] <DraxNS> _4strO: do you know how to fix slmodem sh*t by any chance?
[02:37] <_4strO> nop
[02:37] <DraxNS> know anyone who does?
[02:37] <_4strO> i even know what is slmodem :p
[02:37] <DraxNS> I think you can guess... ;-)
[02:38] <DraxNS> Smart   Link   modem  *^%&^^*)(^%$#&^%
[02:38] <_4strO> :p
[02:40] <DJServers> omg i have just buyt windows vista premium whit license code just for 10 euro's :P lol
[02:40] <nagyv> is it normal in feisty, that amarok does not know the details of the played last.fm track (played in amarok)? (in edgy it worked better)
[02:40] <hyper_ch> why waste 10 euros?
[02:40] <DJServers> i am gonne install that on my old pc not on this one
[02:40] <DraxNS> ok... about ati? _4strO? why would it hang/loop on logout/reboot/shutdown from kde logoff screen?
[02:40] <DJServers> look what vista has to offer
[02:40] <DJServers> test it
[02:40] <DJServers> then kill it :P
[02:41] <DJServers> or just sell it again
[02:41] <hyper_ch> you konw the youtube movie "how to install vista in 2min"?
[02:41] <DraxNS> if I issue sudo poweroff... it works... but if I click on turn off.. it just hangs...
[02:41] <DJServers> no
[02:41] <hyper_ch> DraxNS: dapper/edgy/feisty?
[02:41] <DJServers> whats that about
[02:41] <DraxNS> feisty
[02:41] <DJServers> that movie?
[02:41] <_4strO> DraxNS: dont think it's about ati but most due to XGL
[02:41] <DJServers> hyper_ch: whats that movie about then?
[02:42] <DraxNS> _4strO: where to look? what to kill ;-) ?
[02:42] <hyper_ch> DJServers: how to install vista in 2min   http://www.youtube.com/v/FVbf9tOGwno
[02:42] <DraxNS> I know it will be in xorg... :-)
[02:42] <DJServers> o lol lets take a look at that
[02:42] <hyper_ch> DraxNS: hmmm, you could install Xubuntu... then you won't have that problem
[02:43] <DraxNS> nope... I am KDE addict :-)
[02:43] <DraxNS> so it will have to make do
[02:43] <DraxNS> just what&where
[02:43] <hyper_ch> DraxNS: you even say you're an addict... is it good manner to give addicts their drugs or try to clean them?
[02:44] <DraxNS> :-D
[02:44] <DraxNS> good one ;-)
[02:44] <hyper_ch> ;)
[02:44] <DraxNS> I dislike gnome...
[02:44] <hyper_ch> use Xfce
[02:44] <DraxNS> X(fce) is .. well small
[02:44] <hyper_ch> DraxNS: it's beautiful
[02:44] <DJServers> !pastebin
[02:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:44] <DraxNS> and KDE is just best fit
[02:45] <DJServers> yeah ubotu is back :P
[02:45] <DraxNS> !slmodem
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about slmodem - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <DraxNS> !slmodemd
[02:45] <Skiff> DraxNS, hmm I ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and configured with nvidia drivers first, no dicem, didnt work, then I tried with NV and it works but I guess thats just default right?
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about slmodemd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <_4strO> DraxNS: i thionk i dont understand your problem
[02:45] <Arwen> Xfce... beautiful? lol
[02:45] <DraxNS> Skiff: yes... that means you have NOT installed nvidia driver :-)
[02:46] <hyper_ch> Arwen: sure it is
[02:46] <Skiff> nice
[02:46] <DraxNS> _4strO: which one? ;-)
[02:46] <_4strO> DraxNS: if you select turn of, your screen become shaddy and nothing more ?
[02:46] <DraxNS> I get konsole kubuntu logo.. with that blue stripe... as while boot up
[02:47] <DraxNS> just there is no blue stripe... and it does not unload
[02:47] <DraxNS> blinks at regular rate... and stays like that
[02:47] <_4strO> mmm
[02:47] <vtn> Hi, I just upgraded my kernel, when I shut down my system, it hung up with a black screen, I waited for a while, then pressed ctrl+alt+del, noting happened, then I pressed the power button, again nothing happened (because it is a soft key). Some moments later the System stut down and rebooted normally. Does this have anything to do with the kernel? Do you think the kernel was installed correctly? Thanks for helping me!
[02:47] <DJServers> bye all
[02:47] <Arwen> whee.... kernel update... *time to recompile all my drivers...*
[02:47] <DraxNS> so.. it would turn of.. once laptop run out of battery :-)
[02:48] <DraxNS> same goes with reboot and logoff
[02:48] <DraxNS> I got either blank screen or that with kubuntu logo...
[02:49] <Skiff> ok so if restricted drivers way didnt work, how can I install nvidia drivers?
[02:49] <DraxNS> so I have to poweroff on button
[02:49] <_4strO> DraxNS: did you wait enough time ?
[02:49] <DraxNS> like 5 minutes
[02:49] <_4strO> ok enough !
[02:49] <DraxNS> no point on waitin more
[02:50] <DraxNS> looks like it is trying to kill something... but cannot...
[02:50] <DraxNS> and it is stuck in a loop
[02:50] <hyper_ch> DraxNS: xfce ;)
[02:50] <DraxNS> hyper_ch: let the KDE be with you ;-)
[02:50] <ariez> what is HjU-buntu??
[02:51] <adi> when you shutdown the system do Ctrl+Alt+f2 for text mode and see if it hangs on something
[02:51] <hyper_ch> DraxNS: it was.... for almost 3 months :) but then I went into the darker realms of linux
[02:51] <DraxNS> did that
[02:51] <adi> and?
[02:51] <DraxNS> ctrl+alt+f1
[02:51] <adi> ok and?
[02:51] <DraxNS> it cant hold on
[02:51] <adi> what do you mean it cant hold on?
[02:52] <DraxNS> it lasts ~1-2 sec and brings me back to x
[02:52] <adi> oh
[02:52] <DraxNS> to that kubuntu logo
[02:52] <adi> wierd
[02:52] <ariez> Dns ubuntu ip, load 89.0 /play -w
[02:52] <adi> what happens if you log to your older kernel version?
[02:52] <SlimeyPete> DraxNS: I have the same problem
[02:52] <DraxNS> and if I do that few times too many... well you can guess.. just plain blank screen
[02:52] <SlimeyPete> DraxNS: I just use "sudo halt" in a terminal instead
[02:52] <DraxNS> SlimeyPete: I know that
[02:53] <DraxNS> but I want to get the hang of it
[02:53] <DraxNS> it is ~90% fglrx issue
[02:53] <DraxNS> since I installed it yesterday... and this started yesterday
[02:53] <SlimeyPete> yes, I use fglrx too
[02:54] <DraxNS> see :-)
[02:54] <_4strO> DraxNS: can you past your xorg.conf ?
[02:54] <hyper_ch> DraxNS: does restarting x help?
[02:54] <DraxNS> hmm it is on laptop...
[02:54] <SlimeyPete> DraxNS: Radeon 200M?
[02:54] <DraxNS> yup
[02:54] <DraxNS> 200
[02:54] <SlimeyPete> same here.
[02:54] <DraxNS> what part of xorg do you need _4strO?
[02:54] <DraxNS> i'll retype it
[02:55] <_4strO> DraxNS: all if you can
[02:55] <_4strO> no$
[02:55] <_4strO> ok
[02:55] <_4strO> dont do this
[02:55] <DraxNS> well ... too much to type
[02:55] <DraxNS> :-)
[02:55] <hyper_ch> DraxNS: sudo cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:55] <BluesKaj> Morning All :)
[02:55] <hyper_ch> then you can copy'n'paste it
[02:55] <DraxNS> it is on laptop
[02:55] <DraxNS> I am on desktop now
[02:55] <DraxNS> :-)
[02:56] <hyper_ch> ssh into the laptop
[02:56] <_4strO> DraxNS: in Section "Monitor" you have Option "DPMS" ?
[02:56] <DraxNS> through what? connected via eth to net -)
[02:56] <DraxNS> I think so
[02:57] <hyper_ch> the desktop is not connected to a lan?
[02:57] <DraxNS> it is
[02:57] <DraxNS> laptop is not..
[02:57] <DraxNS> no switch
[02:58] <DraxNS> yes I have DPMS
[02:58] <hyper_ch> oh, laptop is not...
[02:59] <DraxNS> hmmm I guess I have found out...
[02:59] <DraxNS> it is identified as Radeon Xpress 1100 IGP
[02:59] <DraxNS> and it is just X200
[02:59] <DraxNS> would that matter?
[02:59] <_4strO> probably not
[03:00] <DraxNS> hmmm lspci says it is Xpress 200
[03:00] <DraxNS> rs 482
[03:00] <_4strO> if you have the same identifier in device aznd screen sections
[03:01] <DraxNS> yes.. it is same
[03:01] <_4strO> it doesn't be a problem
[03:01] <rbolt> has anyone tried changing the ubuntu startup logo?
[03:01] <_4strO> it's just a name
[03:01] <DraxNS> it is just a name :-)
[03:01] <BluesKaj> X200 requires the fglrx proprietary or open source driver depeneding what you want to do
[03:01] <DraxNS> :-D
[03:01] <DraxNS> well I wish to have 3D
[03:01] <ubuntu__> who are me
[03:02] <BluesKaj> DRI and google earth or beryl
[03:02] <DraxNS> ?
[03:02] <DraxNS> just 3D
[03:02] <_4strO> DraxNS: if you only want 3d (but low perf) you should use the free driver
[03:02] <DraxNS> no.. ET will not work with that
[03:02] <DraxNS> :-(
[03:03] <_4strO> openarena will :)
[03:03] <DraxNS> oh well
[03:03] <DraxNS> :-)
[03:03] <_4strO> but i tried "cube2" and it dont
[03:03] <DraxNS> any other clue for fglrx and shutdown?
[03:03] <NotFaint> So let's say I'm trying to (learn to) compile a kernel... Got the source bz2 file in the /usr/src directory, but when I try to extract it, it seems to give me a lot of lines indicating it's skipping files. Is that something I should be worried about?
[03:04] <SlimeyPete> NotFaint: how strange. Did you do a "sudo tar -xvjf <tar.bz2 file name>"?
[03:05] <NotFaint> Well, I thought that might have been the problem, but when I do it that way, it just puts me on a new line with nothing happening. Or does that just mean it's extracting silently? Thing is, I can type in this blank space...
[03:05] <BluesKaj> DraxNS, for 3D , go here : http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[03:05] <NotFaint> SlimeyPete: Funny thing I'm getting is that it has written SOME of the files and directories.
[03:05] <DraxNS> now this was fun
[03:06] <NotFaint> Considering I don't own the directory, it shouldn't have done any of them, right?
[03:06] <DraxNS> I have restarted X
[03:06] <DraxNS> and now poweroff works!!
[03:06] <SlimeyPete> NotFaint: if you don't have permissions then yeah, it shouldn't write any
[03:06] <DraxNS> quite odd
[03:06] <NotFaint> I'm gonna see if maybe it finishes after a minute or two when I sudo it -- I mean if the command line ever comes back.
[03:06] <SlimeyPete> NotFaint: you're probably best-off installing a kernel source package, unless you need a bleeding-edge or developer-branch kernel
[03:07] <NotFaint> SlimeyPete: This is for a learning experience. Hell, I don't even know what you're talking about. :P
[03:07] <BluesKaj> yeah feisty has power off issues after editing X11/Xorg.conf
[03:07] <DraxNS> so.. I have to log in.... do ctrl+alt+backspace and after that I will be able to poweroff as usual....
[03:07] <BluesKaj> yes
[03:07] <DraxNS> what is the catch?
[03:07] <SlimeyPete> NotFaint: in Adept/synaptic/apt-get you can install a kernel source package instead ogf an image. This will dump kernel source code into /usr/src just as if you'd downloaded the tar file.
[03:07] <SlimeyPete> NotFaint: you can then compile it manually
[03:08] <BluesKaj> DraxNS, or do the 3finger linux salute first then choose shutdown in the login scrb
[03:08] <BluesKaj> scrn
[03:08] <NotFaint> I'm gonna check to see if extracting it with sudo ever seems to do anything one more time, then I'll try adept.
[03:08] <DraxNS> whatever... gotta go now.. BB L8r
[03:09] <BluesKaj> DraxNS, did you get my post about the fglrx 3D tutorial ?
[03:09] <NotFaint> Funny thing is that I don't know if I should trust my drive activity light, heh. It seems to be always blinking at random anyway.
[03:10] <NotFaint> SlimeyPete: You know, I think when I do it with sudo and it just gives me this dumb blank stare, that it must be writing files. Otherwise it's writing SOME of them when I do it withOUT sudo, which just doesn't make sense.
[03:10] <NotFaint> ...OK, got my command prompt back. Guess that's what it was. :P
[03:11] <maurice> just installed kde 3.5.7 only have one issue... right after kdm username and pass X dies. When I start with startx it all works fine.... where to look ?
[03:11] <DraxNS> BluesKaj: yes... now I am realyaway
[03:11] <BluesKaj> ok
[03:12] <NotFaint> maurice: You know, that's one of the things about all this that keeps me dual-booting rather than just being Linux-exclusive. :P
[03:13] <maurice> I have no problems with linux at all ... my second dualboot is gentoo ....
[03:13] <NotFaint> I've had to roll back xorg.config something like 5 times in less than one month because I'm... naturally curious.
[03:13] <maurice> Yust new to ubuntu ...
[03:14] <NotFaint> I'm new to it all. I want an automatic rollback after changes have been made if the user is unable to confirm that it works, like when you change video modes in WinXP.
[03:14] <epimeth> NotFaint: naturally curious?  more like "like to break things" :-p
[03:14] <NotFaint> epimeth: Yeah, sounds about right. :P
[03:14] <NotFaint> I can't help that X is fragile, haha
[03:14] <NotFaint> There's this machine at work that uses an S3 Unichrome onboard video thing, and when I try to set that as the driver in Kubuntu, X won't start or whatever.
[03:15] <NotFaint> OpenChrome works fine, but not Unichrome.
[03:15] <mason> hello
[03:15] <mason> i come from china
[03:16] <Lynoure> mason: hello.
[03:16] <mason> is there anyone like share some thing with me?
[03:16] <NotFaint> Welcome to the Internet. It's a bit different from China, I've heard.
[03:17] <mason> where are from?
[03:17] <NotFaint> </poor attempt at humor>
[03:17] <NotFaint> explore: Fraud!
[03:17] <encompass> Does anyone know of a calendar making program for ubuntu?
[03:17] <Lynoure> mason: for non-support talk try #ubuntu-offtopic or #kubuntu-offtopic instead
[03:18] <mommo> +
[03:19] <vtn> Hi, I just upgraded my kernel, when I shut down my system, it hung up with a black screen, I waited for a while, then pressed ctrl+alt+del, noting happened, then I pressed the power button, again nothing happened (because it is a soft key). Some moments later the System stut down and rebooted normally. Does this have anything to do with the kernel? Do you think the kernel was installed correctly? Thanks for helping me!
[03:20] <NotFaint> SlimeyPete: Thanks for the help, I think I'm past it.
[03:20] <NotFaint> vtn: sounds like X stopped displaying stuff
[03:20] <encompass> vtn: if you booted then I am sure you are just fine
[03:20] <vtn> okay then I am reliefed
[03:20] <SlimeyPete> NotFaint: no problem :)
[03:21] <NotFaint> And I'm out, before I accidentally try giving someone advice and get their xorg.config file screwed up... :P
[03:21] <MaTiAz> lol
[03:22] <Arwen> vtn, even if the new kernel doesn't work, you can still boot the old one :-)
[03:23] <vtn> yeah, but strangely it works
[03:25] <encompass> vtn kernels in linux are different then windows...
[03:26] <masonliu> hello and i have a problem that is how can i open chm files.it reported 936
[03:26] <masonliu> kchmviewer can not open chinese chm file
[03:26] <vtn> encompass: what do you mean by that?
[03:33] <epimeth> !adept
[03:33] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[03:35] <epimeth> how do I run the adept updator?
[03:35] <epimeth> its not in my system submenu
[03:36] <rothchild> epimeth try going through your kstart menu run command and type kdesu adept
[03:36] <epimeth> adept_updator... heh
[03:37] <epimeth> or not?
[03:38] <epimeth> running adept_updator opens it and tells me I need root privs, kdesu adept_updator says it doesn't exist???
[03:38] <epimeth> I guess I smell bad :-)
[03:39] <Jucato> epimeth: adept_updater
[03:39] <epimeth> I tried that, Jucato!
[03:39] <epimeth> :-(
[03:39] <Jucato> updater not updator
[03:40] <epimeth> damnit!!! lol
[03:40] <Arwen> !foo
[03:40] <ubotu> foo is bar
[03:40] <epimeth> cheers Jucato! :-p
[03:40] <Jucato> epimeth: Tab completion helps a lot in the command line :)
[03:41] <epimeth> yea, but with kdesu it wouldn't complete.... and I didn't notice it was e
[03:41] <basse> hey, now that i'm finally on the channel, i might also ask about this "root" system.. it's my sons machine, and i dont necesssarily want him to have root access...  is it possible to make kubuntu prompt root password when you want to for example start adept_manager ?
[03:41] <ReMiiRuru> Is there something like windows 'daemon tools' for (k)ubuntu?
[03:41] <basse> now my son is just sudoer and it asks his own passwd
[03:41] <epimeth> ReMiiRuru: you don't need it, you mount images like you mount any filesystem
[03:42] <ReMiiRuru> epimeth: Oh, I do? Neat.
[03:42] <epimeth> basse: just take him off of the "admin" group
[03:42] <Jucato> basse: create a different user for your son and don't put him in the admin group
[03:42] <epimeth> thats good, too :-)
[03:43] <Jucato> basse: or create a new user that will be admin, put it in the admin group, and remove your son from the admin group
[03:43] <epimeth> in fact, thats better....
[03:43] <Jucato> make up your mind! :P
[03:44] <epimeth> cuz if he's the only user than you won't be able to log in as root unless you enable root logins first
[03:44] <epimeth> Jucato: the "thats better" was for creating a new user without admin... you just happened to finish typing before me
[03:44] <epimeth> :-)
[03:44] <Jucato> :)
[03:45] <epimeth> any reason to not upgrade the kernel?
[03:45] <_4strO> epimeth: if you dont use UUID in your fstab
[03:46] <epimeth> the cdrom seems to not use it....
[03:46] <epimeth> but everything else does
[03:46] <_4strO> the new kernel seems to change sda to hda
[03:47] <epimeth> lol!  thats funny... they went back.  I was *pissed* when I couldn't find my hard drives earlier... took me a while to realize hd* was sd*
[03:47] <epimeth> so now its back to hd?
[03:47] <_4strO> yep
[03:47] <epimeth> but the UUID didn't change, right?
[03:47] <_4strO> /dev/hda6            6528        9594    24635614+  83  Linux
[03:47] <_4strO> yes
[03:48] <epimeth> whats the UUID for my cdrom?
[03:48] <_4strO> i had no pb because of the UUID stuff
[03:49] <Arwen> CD-ROMs don't have UUIDs
[03:49] <epimeth> ahhh
[03:49] <epimeth> kay
[03:49] <epimeth> meh
[03:49] <Arwen> UUIDs depend on the filesystem so each disc would be different :-\
[03:49] <epimeth> I'll upgrade when I'm done with work... don't wanna break anything :-)
[03:52] <_4str1> epimeth: you put the finger on a problem :p
[03:52] <_4str1> my cdrom didn't automount now :/
[03:53] <basse> Jucato: yes, thats what i did. but i couldn't figure out how i start adept then when my son is logged in..
[03:53] <Jucato> aah
[03:53] <basse> in my own debian i just do "kdesu programnamegoeshere"
[03:53] <basse> this doesnt quite work in kubuntu
[03:54] <Jucato> basse: you can try this: "su - username" (your admin user), then "kdesu adept_manager" (to run adept)
[03:54] <hyper_ch> gkdsudo adept
[03:54] <basse> gkdsudo ?
[03:54] <hyper_ch> no, I'm wrong
[03:54] <hyper_ch> Jucato is right
[03:54] <Jucato> I am? O.o
[03:54] <basse> Jucato: aah.. that might work. nice.
[03:55] <hyper_ch> jucato is always right
[03:56] <Jucato> lol not always.
[03:56] <Jucato> not even sure if what I said will work 100% :)
[03:56] <harmental> how can we upgrade to KDE 3.5.7? is there special repos?
[03:56] <Daisuke_Ido> harmental: from what version?
[03:57] <Daisuke_Ido> (of kubuntu)
[03:57] <Jucato> harmental: for Feisty, yes
[03:57] <harmental> Daisuke_Ido: feisty
[03:57] <hyper_ch> why does Linux rock so much?
[03:58] <harmental> have anybody trie kde 4 other than for developing?
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[03:58] <hyper_ch> I have much mor fun using Linux than I ever did using Windows (well, except for games....)
[03:58] <MaTiAz> Linux is all about discovery for me :p
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> harmental: as most of the core features (such as plasma) are missing, it would be pointless to use it now and expect it to be good
[03:58] <GrueTamer> hyper_ch: because youre in control
[03:59] <harmental> Daisuke_Ido: alright then....ill wait for kde4....what about kde 3.5.7?
[03:59] <hyper_ch> anyone has tried to setup bnet servers on debian/ubntu?
[03:59] <MaTiAz> But the main reason I'm using Linux right now is that PSPSDK is muuuuch faster on Linux than Cygwin :p
[04:01] <Arwen> MaTiAz, lol? cygwin?
[04:02] <BluesKaj> <----KDE 3.5.7 ...seems fine so far
[04:05] <Daisuke_Ido> 3.5.7 is great
[04:05] <BluesKaj> harmental, quite frankly i fail to see any difference between 356 & 357 , so far at least
[04:06] <harmental> Daisuke_Ido: could you elabore....
[04:07] <BluesKaj> how can one elaborate on "no difference" ..behaviour is exactly the same as before
[04:07] <MaTiAz> Arwen: Yeah, PSPSDK was originally made for Linux so it was the only possibility :)
[04:08] <harmental> BluesKaj: actually Daisuke_Ido stated that "3.5.7 is great"....
[04:08] <harmental> i was wondering if Daisuke_Ido could elaborate....
[04:08] <BluesKaj> yeah , so is 356 :)
[04:09] <Arwen> it's a minor version o.O
[04:09] <Slack_Rulz> Buenas a Todos
[04:09] <Slack_Rulz> acabo de terminar una migracin exitosa de 20 pcs de un colegio de WinXP a Kubuntu
[04:10] <BluesKaj> harmental ok ...I'll keep my nose out of this
[04:10] <BluesKaj> !es | Slack_Rulz
[04:10] <ubotu> Slack_Rulz: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:11] <harmental> BluesKaj: i didnt mean to back you off.....
[04:11] <ahmed> join #ubuntu
[04:11] <sudeep> i have ubuntu 7.04 installed in my system via CD. I also have KUBUNTU cd. I would like to add kde in my system via CD "not repo" . How should i do it ?
[04:12] <harmental> well done Slack_Rulz!!!!
[04:12] <ahmed> sudeep using synaptic package manager
[04:12] <ahmed> set ur repo source to cd
[04:12] <BluesKaj> ahmed do the command in the server text box not here and put a /   in front
[04:12] <ahmed> yea yea mistypes lol
[04:12] <sudeep> ahmed: how is that?
[04:12] <ahmed> sudeep, u can just insert the cd
[04:12] <ahmed> and it will ask u if it shud load new packages or not
[04:13] <ahmed> guys do any one know what is cvs ??
[04:13] <ahmed> i hear alot abt cvs cedega and cvs wine ,, what is cvs ???
[04:15] <ubuntu__> como instalo kubuntu?
[04:16] <DraxNS> !cvs
[04:16] <ubotu> cvs is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[04:16] <BluesKaj> cvs is like pkg manager with it's own repository but not exactly : http://cvsview.tldp.org/index.cgi/*docroot*/help_rootview.html
[04:17] <DraxNS> BluesKaj: that page you sent me... for fglrx is for ATI fglrx... not one that is in repo..
[04:17] <Lynoure> BluesKaj: that's a very complicated way to put it :)
[04:17] <ubuntu__> somebody can help me? i want to install kubuntu and i dont know how
[04:18] <Lynoure> ubuntu__: Are you stuck at some point or at the very start?
[04:18] <ubuntu__> at the very very start
[04:19] <ubuntu__> right now im using kubuntu, but directly from the cd
[04:21] <BluesKaj> DraxNS, no cuz the one in the repos won't work with ati x200..this page will patch the problem and install the proper dependencies and driver if you follow the instructions
[04:21] <DraxNS> aaaaahhh
[04:22] <DraxNS> I saw some patching... there... but .. just glanced
[04:23] <BluesKaj> ok DraxNS , one thing ...the part where he says that you can copy his xorg file ..don't just make the changes like driver = "fglrx" .. if you have prob or question , just ask me ..I'll be hanging around :)
[04:23] <BluesKaj> don't copy his xorg file , I mean
[04:24] <DraxNS> yes.. got it :-)
[04:24] <DraxNS> I usually do that part by hand... fglrx or nvidia...
[04:24] <BluesKaj> right
[04:24] <DraxNS> then I know what went where ;-)
[04:24] <BluesKaj> you got it DraxNS :)
[04:25] <DraxNS> I am not so noobish... ;-)
[04:25] <DraxNS> but .. I cant resolve my other issue.. called ATI IXP modem...
[04:26] <DraxNS> or slmodemd ...
[04:26] <sercan> what dedin glm
[04:29] <Daisuke_Ido> harmental: to elaborate, 3.5.7 is just like 3.5.6 with a different number.  therefore great.
[04:30] <BluesKaj> DraxNS, not using dhcp ?
[04:30] <DraxNS> nope
[04:30] <harmental> Daisuke_Ido: ok....so basically you were just kidding..... ;o)
[04:30] <DraxNS> why?
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> no, it's still great.
[04:30] <Arwen> 3.5.7 has all sorts of uber features! like kwin1
[04:30] <Arwen> like kwin*
[04:30] <Daisuke_Ido> just not revolutionary.
[04:31] <DraxNS> dhcp in what way?
[04:31] <BluesKaj> DraxNS, on dialup then
[04:31] <DraxNS> well problem is that I cant get to ISP
[04:31] <DraxNS> no carrier is faster
[04:31] <DraxNS> ;-)
[04:32] <DraxNS> atdp #isp and no carrirer
[04:32] <DraxNS> wvdial.. kppp .. pon.. does not matter
[04:33] <BluesKaj> you on a network , DraxNS ?
[04:33] <DraxNS> now yes.. on desktop...
[04:33] <DraxNS> but modem is on laptop
[04:33] <DraxNS> and I got correct slmodem device
[04:33] <DraxNS>  /dev/ttySL0
[04:33] <DraxNS> all ATI gets by
[04:34] <BluesKaj> is the laptop on a WANetwork ?
[04:34] <DraxNS> and when I try to connect.. it fails with no carrier
[04:34] <DraxNS> hmm ra0 and eth0 are active....
[04:34] <DraxNS> but I cant kill ra0
[04:35] <DraxNS> it is always there..
[04:35] <BluesKaj> the ati ixp moden is strictly for dialup service ,not dhcp which is normally eth0
[04:36] <DraxNS> so?
[04:36] <BluesKaj> the eth0 is usually a realtek ethernet device
[04:36] <DraxNS> I should kill dhcp client?
[04:36] <BluesKaj> no
[04:36] <DraxNS> eth0 is Agere 131
[04:36] <BluesKaj> ok
[04:36] <DraxNS> ra0 is rt61 wifi
[04:37] <BluesKaj> but why are you trying to use the ati ixp/modem ?
[04:37] <DraxNS> since that is what it is
[04:37] <DraxNS> :-)
[04:37] <DraxNS> scanmodem said it is smartlink..
[04:37] <DraxNS> and lspci says I have ati ...
[04:38] <DraxNS> so ..
[04:38] <BluesKaj> iixp/modem is not an ethernet card
[04:38] <llutz> DraxNS: sl-modem-daemon is installed and runs?
[04:39] <DraxNS> no
[04:39] <llutz> DraxNS: you'll need it
[04:39] <DraxNS> sl-modemd-daemon does not work
[04:40] <DraxNS> slmodemd also does not work
[04:40] <DraxNS> I get till the dial.. and BANG no carrier
[04:40] <FroggyTheGreat> Hey hoo - Two questions...
[04:41] <FroggyTheGreat> How does Kubuntu handle hotswapping monitors?
[04:41] <DraxNS> I cant even install that slmodem for ubuntu... with unload-winmodem... says it cant find it
[04:43] <llutz> DraxNS: i had a similar issue with my intel-modem on edgy until i reconfigured sl-modemd
[04:43] <DraxNS> so.. I have tried solo slmodemd... slmodem source for ubuntu from smartlink and sl-modem-deamon...
[04:43] <DraxNS> none works
[04:44] <apetrescu> Does anyone else have the problem where KAlarm is unable to play any sound at all? The soundcard is working fine, every other application uses it flawlessly, and KAlarm itself launches alarms, just not the audio component. I know a few other people on the forums ran into this too. Anyone know a workaround? =/
[04:44] <Arwen> DraxNS, buy a real modem
[04:44] <BluesKaj> DraxNS, so you ARE on dialup , not cable or DSL ..right ?
[04:44] <apetrescu> I rely on KAlarm to wake me up in the morning, so... ^^;
[04:44] <DraxNS> no.. I am on wifi.. now... from desktop
[04:45] <DraxNS> and modem is on laptop
[04:45] <BluesKaj> laptop is on dialup then
[04:45] <DraxNS> I got eth and ra working... and even modem was working on edgy
[04:45] <DraxNS> yes
[04:45] <DraxNS> but now on feisty... it was struggle with ra0 and now with modem...
[04:45] <DraxNS> and it will be with ati
[04:46] <DraxNS> all was working on edgy 64bit... and now on feisty i386.... I have eth and ra... no modem.. and partial ati (fglrx)
[04:47] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone managed to get Adobe REader working on Kubuntu?
[04:47] <DraxNS> FroggyTheGreat: it was working on edgy
[04:47] <DraxNS> I cant find it on feisty though
[04:47] <apetrescu> FroggyTheGreat: yes, what problem are you having?
[04:47] <FroggyTheGreat> "is it worth trying, and if so, what method is best?"
[04:48] <apetrescu> I'm not sure about the "worth trying" part. Most of the features 90% of people use Reader for are present in KPDF already.
[04:48] <FroggyTheGreat> I need a way to scale an A4 page to US-Letter paper.  Adobe Reader is the only PDF package I've found that does it.
[04:48] <ubuntu__> hello
[04:49] <apetrescu> Ah, okay, for printing.
[04:49] <BluesKaj> FroggyTheGreat, the linux version is called acroread
[04:49] <apetrescu> You may be right then, you may need it.
[04:49] <apetrescu> Have you tried through Synaptic?
[04:49] <korobase> Hi,all
[04:49] <ubuntu__> hi
[04:49] <FroggyTheGreat> Blues - Aah, thanks.
[04:49] <apetrescu> zblach: is that you? =O
[04:49] <BluesKaj> synaptic has it , FroggyTheGreat
[04:50] <korobase> I can't use my Mic in my notebook under kubuntu.
[04:50] <korobase> !mic
[04:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:50] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok.  What is Synaptic?  I'm fairly new to this.
[04:50] <zblach> hey apetrescu
[04:50] <zblach> o
[04:50] <zblach> lol
[04:50] <apetrescu> FroggyTheGreat: it's a gui frontend for apt; you're in #kubuntu so you probably want Adept, not Synaptic.
[04:50] <decapitated> seeya
[04:50] <korobase> I can't use my Mic in my notebook under kubuntu.Help me,all friends!!!!!!!!!!!1
[04:50] <apetrescu> It's in System Tools, iirc
[04:50] <BluesKaj> adept has it as well
[04:50] <jplever> can anyone help with installing a commercial game on Feisty?
[04:51] <apetrescu> But at any rate, just type in a terminal: sudo apt-get install acroread
[04:51] <BluesKaj> !adept
[04:51] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[04:51] <zblach> korobase: check to see that it's not muted
[04:51] <korobase> mute off.
[04:51] <FroggyTheGreat> I'm looking in adept, and it's not finding acroread in the repository.
[04:51] <apetrescu> FroggyTheGreat: is multiverse enabled?
[04:51] <zblach> korobase: there's a difference between speaker mute and microphone input mute
[04:51] <FroggyTheGreat> First I've heard of Multiverse, so probably not.
[04:51] <BluesKaj> apetrescu, Synaptic works very well in kde or kubuntu
[04:52] <apetrescu> Ah, okay. Go to "Adept -> Manage Repositories" in the menu up top
[04:52] <apetrescu> There should be a checkbox somewhere there to enable multiverse. Then close, "Fetch Updates", and check again for acroread :)
[04:52] <apetrescu> Or, like I said before, just type in a terminal: sudo apt-get install acroread
[04:53] <proxx> hi i need help.. since i installed kubuntu feisty fawn my ntfs drives were mountet automatically n every start..i even could write on them using a ntfs configuration tool.. but know they are not automatically mountet anymore.. i mountet one drive by using the mount command an i even could see the contetn but now i have now writing permissions anymore.. is this a common problem?
[04:53] <korobase> I can use the mic in skype.But I can't use it using the krecord.
[04:53] <zblach> korobase: lol. i have the same problem
[04:53] <FroggyTheGreat> apetrescu - the commandline method returns "unable to find package"
[04:53] <apetrescu> proxx, check your /etc/fstab . Does your ntfs drive have the 'noauto' flag set?
[04:53] <khaije1> anyone know how kde 4 is coming along?
[04:53] <zblach> probably has something to do with using alsa v.s. arts
[04:54] <spyked> hi - need help - just updated my feisty 'cause the package manager told me to... and my puter rebooted in text mode - graphics driver problem???
[04:54] <apetrescu> Froggy, did you do the multiverse thing?
[04:54] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok, I've done "Manage Repositories", waht should I do from there?
[04:54] <apetrescu> Okay, in Manage Repositories, there should be some mention of multiverse.
[04:54] <apetrescu> (I can't tell you exactly where/what, since i'm at work right now, no access to my Kubuntu machine =/)
[04:55] <khaije1> !kde4
[04:55] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[04:55] <apetrescu> spyked, yes, probably. Do you know if you were using a binary driver like nvidia-glx or fglrx?
[04:55] <proxx> apetrescu: no, only the ext3 partiotions
[04:55] <proxx> apetrescu: should i add it?
[04:55] <apetrescu> proxx, only the ext3 partitions have 'noauto' set?
[04:55] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok, I can't find any mention of Multiverse in the Software Sources screen.
[04:55] <apetrescu> proxx, no, don't add it. I find it strange that your ext3 partitions have it at all o_O Can you put your /etc/fstab file in a pastebin somewhere?
[04:55] <FroggyTheGreat> Wait no, there it is, my bad.
[04:55] <FroggyTheGreat> It's enabled.
[04:56] <apetrescu> Alright, FroggyTheGreat, in that case, can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file on rafb or something so I can check it for you?
[04:56] <apetrescu> Ah
[04:56] <apetrescu> There you go
[04:56] <apetrescu> When you say "it's enabled", do you mean "I just enable dit now" or "It was always enabled"?
[04:56] <spyked> apetrescu: be patient  ;) - i installed my driver with that proggy (can't remember the name) that automatically updates ATI or NVIDIA drivers for ya?  ATI here
[04:56] <proxx> apetrescu: no sry my bad.. only the floppy device ans hte cdrom have an noauto argument
[04:56] <spyked> apetrescu: i think the program name begins with 'e'
[04:56] <DraxNS> FroggyTheGreat: are you on edgy or feisty?
[04:56] <FroggyTheGreat> I'm on Feisty
[04:57] <zblach> proxx: did you do an unclean shutdown through winders?
[04:57] <DraxNS> forget about it
[04:57] <mattrperry1976> Hello...I'm needing help with a couple of things since I updated...first, none of my drives automount and/or show up on my desktop...second, now when I try to run 'sudo apt-get update' I get the following error: "Reading package lists... Error!
[04:57] <mattrperry1976> E: Problem parsing dependency Depends
[04:57] <mattrperry1976> E: Error occurred while processing thekompany-support (NewVersion1)
[04:57] <mattrperry1976> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/www.getautomatix.com_apt_dists_feisty_main_binary-i386_Packages
[04:57] <mattrperry1976> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened."
[04:57] <mattrperry1976> can anyone help me?
[04:57] <DraxNS> there is no acroread in feisry
[04:57] <apetrescu> proxx, okay. Hm. Can you still paste your /etc/fstab somewhere?
[04:57] <DraxNS> feisty
[04:57] <zblach> mattrperry1976: highly recommended NOT to use automatix
[04:57] <Arwen> automatix fails :-\
[04:57] <zblach> as it breaks things bad
[04:57] <proxx> apetrescu: yes.. moment pls
[04:58] <mattrperry1976> ok...should I remove it?
[04:58] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok, no acroread in feisty.  Still need my fstab?
[04:58] <apetrescu> matt, your best bet is to revert to a vanilla sources.list and never use automatix
[04:58] <spyked> apetrescu: the program was ENVY
[04:58] <apetrescu> FroggyTheGreat: I never needed your fstab, I needed proxx's...
[04:58] <apetrescu> spyked: Ah, envy
[04:59] <apetrescu> That's an unsopported NVidia driver thingy.
[04:59] <spyked> apetrescu: works for ati too ;)
[04:59] <apetrescu> You can probably solve your issue by doing: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[04:59] <apetrescu> ANd rebooting.
[04:59] <proxx> apetrescu: http://phpfi.com/237583
[04:59] <FroggyTheGreat> Oops.
[04:59] <Skiff> any1 made their nvidia drivers work here?
[04:59] <spyked> ok apetrescu -i'll try that
[04:59] <spyked> ummm
[04:59] <spyked> wait
[05:00] <spyked> apetrescu: i have an ati card - the nvidia reinstall really isn't helpful ;)
[05:00] <apetrescu> Oh, sorry
[05:00] <apetrescu> Is it a Radeon?
[05:00] <FroggyTheGreat> Or, how well would installing the acrotead rpm file using Alien work?
[05:00] <FroggyTheGreat> acroread, sorry.
[05:00] <apetrescu> FroggyTheGreat: It'd work, but I suspect that Adobe's site has an Ubuntu installer already there for you.
[05:00] <spyked> apetrescu: yes
[05:01] <apetrescu> spyked: in that case:
[05:01] <apetrescu> !radeon
[05:01] <FroggyTheGreat> Adobe's site does not that I have found.
[05:01] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:01] <apetrescu> ubotu speaks the truth :)
[05:01] <spyked> hehe
[05:01] <spyked> thanks apetrescu
[05:01] <MrDigimon> have anyone the same problem as me: the KDE panel stops working after awhile and a box comes up and says signal 11 error
[05:01] <spyked> lemmee see if that helps
[05:01] <apetrescu> No problem, good luck!
[05:02] <apetrescu> (For the record, this is why things like Envy, though sexy-sounding, do more harm than good. They don't play well when the system changes significantly)
[05:02] <proxx> apetrescu: any idea?
[05:02] <sebws> das any one know a good  webmail package for ubuntu
[05:02] <apetrescu> proxx, you seem to be relying on the ntfs-3g package to mount rather than the kernel's ntfs features.
[05:02] <apetrescu> Have you reinstalled ntfs-3g since your upgrade?
[05:03] <MrDigimon> is there any upgrade to the KDE panel?
[05:03] <K-Ryan> !unmount
[05:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unmount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:03] <K-Ryan> !mount
[05:03] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[05:03] <^RiaN^> hiiii allllllll
[05:03] <apetrescu> I reccomend changing all the partition types in your etc/fstab file to "ntfs" instead of "ntfs-3g" and see if that solves your problem. If it does, either keep them that way or reinstall ntfs-3g
[05:04] <^RiaN^> !qt
[05:04] <ubotu> Qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt applications
[05:04] <proxx> apetrescu: i don't think so
[05:04] <proxx> apetrescu: ok i'll try
[05:04] <apetrescu> proxx: You don't think you've installed ntfs-3g? Then that's certainly the problem.
[05:05] <apetrescu> What do you get if you type: sudo mount -a
[05:05] <apetrescu> At a terminal?
[05:06] <proxx> apetrescu:
[05:06] <proxx> apetrescu:  http://phpfi.com/237584
[05:06] <^RiaN^> apetrescu: how to resize swap partition
[05:06] <apetrescu> Oooh
[05:06] <sebws> hi i need to install a webmail server , could some guide me
[05:07] <apetrescu> Okay, the problem is in the actual ntfs drive. It has problems; you shut down Windows uncleanly...
[05:07] <apetrescu> ^RiaN^: Check out the qtparted package.
[05:07] <MrDigimon> whats the page where evry KDE bug/error is listed?
[05:07] <^RiaN^> thank's
[05:07] <proxx> ok I will try what mentioned in the tex
[05:07] <apetrescu> proxx: Do you have Vista or XP on those ntfs partitions?
[05:08] <proxx> apetrescu: XP
[05:08] <apetrescu> Okay, then it is safe to use the ntfsfix command.
[05:08] <MrDigimon> i have a strange feeling that tells me that u guys are ignoring me...
[05:08] <apetrescu> Which I believe is in the ntfsprogs package.
[05:08] <apetrescu> sudo apt-get install ntfsprogs
[05:09] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: Sorry, what's the problem? :)
[05:09] <proxx> yes i see
[05:09] <MrDigimon> KDE panel is chrashing
[05:09] <MrDigimon> signal 11
[05:09] <apetrescu> Hmm
[05:09] <K-Ryan> MrDigimon: Sometimes people are helping other people and you need to wait for another person.
[05:09] <K-Ryan> Or they don't know
[05:09] <apetrescu> That's a segfault signal
[05:09] <^RiaN^> apetrescu: is that right only 220 kb
[05:09] <MrDigimon> know
[05:10] <MrDigimon>  how do i fix it?
[05:10] <sebws> hi what can be a good webmail service ?
[05:10] <apetrescu> ^RiaN^: Your swap partition is only 220 kb?
[05:10] <apetrescu> sebws: Like, gmail?
[05:10] <^RiaN^> no
[05:10] <^RiaN^> apetrescu: the qtparted imean
[05:10] <apetrescu> ^RiaN^: Ah, yeah. That's pretty normal, since it is just a fronted to parted which does all the real work.
[05:11] <apetrescu> I'm not on KDE right now, I can't check for sure, but 220KB sounds about right.
[05:11] <apetrescu> You're using apt-get right?
[05:11] <^RiaN^> :)
[05:11] <^RiaN^> no, i dowwnload the package for my friend
[05:11] <sebws> thx but need a webmail server that will connect to my provider network , and need to be running on my server at home
[05:11] <MrDigimon> is there any upgrade to KDE panel that may fix the error?
[05:11] <llutz> sebws: squirrelmail
[05:12] <K-Ryan> Hey guys I'm trying to resize my partitions so I booted with my LiveCD.
[05:12] <K-Ryan> I tried to use the QTParted that's on here but that said the devices were busy, but in system settings the devices seemed to be unmounted.
[05:13] <epimeth> ack!!! how do I make my screen brighter again? sudo echo '86' > /proc/acpi/video/VGA/LCD/brightness isn't working
[05:13] <K-Ryan> Now I tried to use the partitioner in the installer and I get an error message and it crashes, and pastebin is giving me an error when I try to submit it so I can't really tell you what it is unless I put it in here.
[05:13] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: Are you running KDE 3.5.6 or 3.5.7?
[05:13] <sebws> yes some thing like that , but i also need an sent item box
[05:13] <llutz> sebws: postfix
[05:13] <MrDigimon> err, dont remember, how do i check :$
[05:13] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, if possible , download and burn GParted ...it's very good , best IMO
[05:14] <apetrescu> MrDigimon, right click on the taskbar, "Help->About KDE" or something like that
[05:14] <apetrescu> It's somewhere in the right-click menu of almost all KDE components.
[05:14] <sebws> can postfix be used with squirrelmail
[05:14] <MrDigimon> 3.5.2
[05:14] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: I'm just trying to get one that will work
[05:14] <K-Ryan> I'm downloading GParted as we speak.
[05:14] <llutz> sebws: postfix is a mail-transport-agent
[05:14] <MrDigimon> maybe i should upgrade
[05:14] <apetrescu> MrDigimon, woaaah
[05:15] <MrDigimon> i think i should upgrade
[05:15] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: Seriously? When did you install Kubuntu? You're about 5 minor versions behind.
[05:15] <MrDigimon> lol
[05:15] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan , it does
[05:15] <MrDigimon> i have kubuntu 6.06
[05:15] <apetrescu> Ah, that explains it.
[05:15] <llutz> sebws: i had postfix running together with courier-imapd and squirrel, worked fine here
[05:15] <MrDigimon> i installed it when it first came out (i think)
[05:15] <apetrescu> 6.06, that's Dapper right?
[05:15] <K-Ryan> Correct
[05:15] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, it's a live cd
[05:16] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: It's installing =)
[05:16] <titanix88> hendaus:
[05:16] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: Well, it's your decision if you want to update to Feisty or not. Dapper has the advantage of being an LTS release.
[05:16] <sebws> ok thx and no problem to have a sentbox on squirrel
[05:16] <yarddog> dapper is supported longer
[05:17] <proxx> apetrescu: I started windows.. shut it down and restarted linux and now i can see all of the partitions :)
[05:17] <K-Ryan> 3 years to be exact.
[05:17] <apetrescu> proxx, excellent! =)
[05:17] <^RiaN^> apetrescu: where can i download kubuntu package update in tar.gz format
[05:17] <adaptr> K-Ryan how about 5 years ?
[05:17] <proxx> apetrescu: thanks a lot :)
[05:17] <Daisuke_Ido> ^RiaN^: what's wrong with apt?
[05:17] <K-Ryan> adaptr: For servers it is 5 years.
[05:17] <apetrescu> ^RiaN^: 'kubuntu package update'? What do you mean?
[05:18] <MrDigimon> can i upgrade via a live cd of kubuntu 7.07 or something?
[05:18] <K-Ryan> Desktop is 3 years.
[05:18] <adaptr> K-Ryan which is what one would use
[05:18] <MrDigimon> think my brother said it was possible
[05:18] <Daisuke_Ido> you  can upgrade from edgy to feisty using the Alt. cd
[05:18] <apetrescu> ^RiaN^: if you're still trying to get the qtparted package for a friend, I reccomend doing: sudo apt-get install -f qtparted   and then going to /var/cache/apt/archives and getting the .deb file manually from there
[05:18] <^RiaN^> kubuntu update package
[05:18] <Daisuke_Ido> but not the live cd
[05:19] <^RiaN^> ohh
[05:19] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: You don't even need the cd, just follow the distupgrade procedure.
[05:19] <^RiaN^> thank bro
[05:19] <MrDigimon> Daisuke_ido: ok
[05:19] <apetrescu> ^RiaN^: No problem.
[05:19] <MrDigimon> ok, will do it when i find it
[05:20] <MrDigimon> apt-get distupgrade, right?
[05:20] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: have you updated your sources.list first?
[05:20] <MrDigimon> dont think so
[05:20] <apetrescu> You must do that first.
[05:20] <MrDigimon> ok
[05:20] <MrDigimon> new to linux
[05:20] <apetrescu> Open up sources.list and change all occurences of the word 'dapper' to 'feisty'
[05:21] <apetrescu> Then it is: sudo apt-get update
[05:21] <apetrescu> And THEN: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:21] <apetrescu> (The hyphen too)
[05:21] <MrDigimon> ok
[05:21] <apetrescu> Good luck :)
[05:21] <Arwen> someone here's trying to dist-upgrade by hand?
[05:21] <basse> then cross your fingers and close your eyes
[05:21] <apetrescu> (Warning: sometimes dist-upgrade'ing causes lots of problems)
[05:21] <BluesKaj> MrDigimon, after edit your sources list and save it , sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:21] <apetrescu> BluesKaj: You forgot to apt-get update
[05:21] <MrDigimon> updating sources
[05:22] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: So you understand the risks?
[05:22] <MrDigimon> yep
[05:22] <apetrescu> Okay, good luck =)
[05:22] <MrDigimon> if it dont work i just reinstall, no big deal
[05:22] <apetrescu> True that :)
[05:22] <BluesKaj> ok , sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:22] <K-Ryan> Am I not able to increase the size of my ext3 partition?
[05:22] <apetrescu> K-Ryan: what have you tried so far?
[05:23] <K-Ryan> When I try to resize it, it's current size is set as the maximum.
[05:23] <apetrescu> (sorry if you're repeating yourself)
[05:23] <apetrescu> Is there free contiguous space after the partition on the drive?
[05:23] <K-Ryan> Well I just shrinked my Windows partition
[05:23] <K-Ryan> continguous as in next to it? No...
[05:23] <MrDigimon> does any of my programs gonna be deleted during the upgrade?
[05:23] <K-Ryan> Opposite ends to be exact...
[05:23] <apetrescu> Yes, but in which direction? If you have it like  <-----EXT3----><---NTFS--->   and you shrink the NTFS partition to the RIGHT, it won't help
[05:23] <sebws> what's the command to see whic version is running
[05:23] <apetrescu> K-Ryan: there's your problem =/
[05:23] <MrDigimon> just wanna be sure....
[05:24] <apetrescu> The space does have to be physically adjacent
[05:24] <K-Ryan> How am I going to do that? =(
[05:24] <BluesKaj> sebws, version of ?
[05:24] <sebws> kubuntu
[05:24] <K-Ryan> ext3 > swap > ntfs > unallocated
[05:24] <K-Ryan> =(
[05:24] <apetrescu> K-Ryan: I believe qtparted/gparted lets you resize in either direction, right?
[05:24] <apetrescu> So grow your ntfs partition on the right, shrink on the left, etc
[05:25] <^RiaN^> apetrescu: how do i change the permission
[05:25] <^RiaN^> apetrescu: how do i change the permission of that archive
[05:25] <Blissex> dont trust utilities that resize, and anyhow resizing/moving down is *much* slower and riskier than resizing up.
[05:25] <K-Ryan> Shrinking on the left was greyed out, I'll try something else though
[05:25] <apetrescu> ^RiaN^: you probably want: sudo chmod 777 /path/to/package
[05:25] <K-Ryan> Maybe because unallocated space can only be in one spot
[05:25] <K-Ryan> Just guesswork
[05:25] <BluesKaj> yes, it does but most ppl who dual boot say that windows shuold be the first partition , then ext and then swap
[05:25] <apetrescu> K-Ryan: he's right, this whole thing is pretty risky
[05:25] <K-Ryan> I don't mind
[05:26] <MrDigimon> but if the dist upgrade messes up can i plug the disk in another comp and copy my files over?
[05:26] <MrDigimon> or can they be deleted upon failure?
[05:26] <^RiaN^> i've already copy the archive and no i want to burn it
[05:26] <^RiaN^> but it's doesn't allowed
[05:26] <K-Ryan> shrinking on the left is still greyed out =(
[05:26] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: Yeah, you can just pop in a livecd, mount your drive, get your stuff out, and reinstall.
[05:26] <MrDigimon> ok
[05:27] <MrDigimon> thx for the help, im checking out, bye
[05:27] <apetrescu> K-Ryan: I guess that parted doesn't support that feature on NTFS or your particular drive geometry or something =/
[05:27] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan , the greyed out part should be deleted to unallocated status, then reformatted to ext , then youcan expand the linux partition into it
[05:27] <K-Ryan> Oh, I can't shrink to the left because that's where everything is
[05:28] <apetrescu> ? *shrink* to the left means you're moving away from everything
[05:28] <K-Ryan> So, I'm going to unallocate some space
[05:28] <apetrescu> Like, if right now you have
[05:28] <K-Ryan> Err, shrink to the right
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[05:28] <K-Ryan> unallocate the space on the left
[05:28] <K-Ryan> I meant shrink the left, shrink to the right
[05:28] <K-Ryan> Never mind =P
[05:29] <K-Ryan> So, the unallocated space I should format to ext3?
[05:29] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, , did you read my post?...it works !\
[05:29] <spyked> hi all - BIG problems - after the last updates my puter refuses to book in anything but text mode
[05:29] <apetrescu> K-Ryan, how is it laid out right now?
[05:29] <spyked> i have an ati driver installed by envy
[05:29] <K-Ryan> same as when i started
[05:29] <spyked> please help...
[05:29] <K-Ryan> ext3 > swap > ntfs > un
[05:29] <apetrescu> spyked: reinstalling the radeon driver didn't help?
[05:30] <BluesKaj> spyked, are you in feisty ?
[05:30] <apetrescu> If you format the un part to ext3, you'll simply have two ext3 partitions, that's not what you wanted is it?
[05:30] <spyked> apetrescu: i uninstalled/reinstalled the driver using envy - lost the link you gave me ;)
[05:30] <spyked> BluesKaj: yup, feisty
[05:30] <K-Ryan> No, but BluesKaj said I could expand the first ext3 into the other
[05:30] <apetrescu> spyked: Oh. I reccomend you use the link I gave you, then ;P
[05:31] <K-Ryan> But they have to be next to each other don't they >.>
[05:31] <BluesKaj> yes you can K-Ryan ..I did
[05:31] <apetrescu> ? Not like that you can't... not that I know of.
[05:31] <spyked> apetrescu: that's whyi came back - glad to see you here ;)
[05:31] <spyked> !radeon
[05:31] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:31] <spyked> there it is :)
[05:31] <apetrescu> BluesKaj: you can merge ext3 across the disk boundary?
[05:31] <apetrescu> As *one partition*?
[05:31] <K-Ryan> No =(
    <-- This makes no sense, I think
[05:32] <K-Ryan> Could I copy everything from the smaller partition to the larger partition?
[05:32] <BluesKaj> spyked, go to this tutorial and try it : http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[05:32] <K-Ryan> Then just increase the size of the larger partition by removing the smaller partition and adding it to the larger?
[05:33] <apetrescu> Which one's which?
[05:33] <K-Ryan> I want to copy from hdb1 to hdb4
[05:33] <K-Ryan> Remove hdb1, then add the space to hdb4
[05:33] <BluesKaj> yes, once both partitons are ext , then one can be shrunk or the other expanded into it
[05:33] <K-Ryan> well then it would be hdb3 i guess
[05:33] <apetrescu> You could delete hdb1, shift everythign over to the left, and recreate it as a new, larger hdb4, yes.
[05:33] <apetrescu> But you'd have to use some intermediary storage
[05:34] <apetrescu> Until the repartitioning is done
[05:34] <K-Ryan> I have the hdb4 right now
[05:34] <apetrescu> Oh, okay
[05:34] <apetrescu> There you go
[05:34] <K-Ryan> So how do I go about copying/moving hdb1 to hdb4 =)
[05:34] <BluesKaj> BTW K-Ryan ..it takes a while
[05:34] <K-Ryan> It's only 6.7GB
[05:34] <apetrescu> K-Ryan: by incrementally shifting everything over to the left.
[05:34] <BluesKaj> don't copy anything
[05:34] <K-Ryan> Okay, how do I go about moving it?
[05:34] <BluesKaj> too many cooks ... BBL
[05:35] <K-Ryan> apetrescu: ?
[05:35] <apetrescu> K-Ryan: delete hdb1, shift swap over to the left, shift ntfs over to the left, and then left-expand hdb3?
[05:36] <K-Ryan> i need to move the files on hdb1 to hdb4
[05:36] <apetrescu> Oh
[05:36] <apetrescu> Just mount hdb4
[05:36] <apetrescu> Create a mountpoint: mkdir ~/backup
[05:36] <rc-win-2-linux> pls help - I'm trying to change /etc/webmin/miniserv.conf to allow other pc's on my network to be able to connect
[05:36] <apetrescu> Then: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb4 ~/backup
[05:36] <rc-win-2-linux> how do i do this
[05:37] <K-Ryan> Ugh, stupid livecd...
[05:37] <apetrescu> ?
[05:37] <K-Ryan> I need to put them in /etc/fstab
[05:37] <apetrescu> You do? O_o
[05:37] <K-Ryan> I'm on a live cd
[05:37] <apetrescu> LiveCD doesn't allow regular mounting?
[05:37] <apetrescu> (I've never really tried)
[05:38] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, no leave fstab alone , just do the procedure ..it will take a while
[05:38] <K-Ryan> mount: can't find /dev/hdb4 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[05:38] <apetrescu> Wait, have you rebooted since you repartitioned with gparted?
[05:38] <apetrescu> Because the kernel may still be using the old table if you haven't.
[05:38] <spyked> apetrescu: i'm getting errors during the radeon install...
[05:38] <K-Ryan> No I haven't
[05:38] <spyked> parse errors in my xorg.conf...
[05:38] <apetrescu> spked: what errors?
[05:38] <apetrescu> Oh
[05:39] <spyked> i think it's about keyboard language
[05:39] <apetrescu> Then it's a problem with your xorg.conf. Paste it, and the error messages, and I'll take a look :)
[05:39] <K-Ryan> Isn't there a command to upate the tables?
[05:39] <K-Ryan> Or am I thinking of something else...
[05:39] <spyked> can't paste - it's on another machine
[05:39] <apetrescu> K-Ryan: not really, not that I know of.
[05:39] <K-Ryan> Yeah I am, the database
[05:39] <spyked> crap
[05:39] <apetrescu> spyked: I can't really debug the xorg.conf file without seeing it =/ Is that computer net-connected?
[05:40] <K-Ryan> Would it be safe to move the stuff from hdb1 to hdb4 while running kubuntu?
[05:40] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, leave the data alone, it will move once you give the command to expand the partition
[05:40] <spyked> apetrescu: yes - i'm working on getting you the txt - 2 secs
[05:40] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: I don't want to end up losing all my stuff so bare with me.
[05:40] <apetrescu> BluesKaj: his partitions are on opposite sides of the disk. Are you SURE what you're suggesting is possible?
[05:40] <K-Ryan> I have ext3 > swap > ntfs > ext3
[05:41] <K-Ryan> If I delete the first ext3, then expand the second ext3, it will move the info?
[05:41] <K-Ryan> Because something just doesn't sound right.
[05:41] <apetrescu> I believe it won't, but maybe BluesKaj knows something I don't.
[05:41] <apetrescu> But it sounds terribly unlikely to me that the merge he's suggesting is even possible.
[05:41] <BluesKaj> he really should move windows to the hda1 position or sda or hd0 .
[05:42] <K-Ryan> It isn't windows
[05:42] <K-Ryan> It's just an ntfs partition for windows
[05:42] <titanix88> K-Ryan: definitely not!
[05:42] <BluesKaj> windows should be on the left in GParted , then ext either / or /home, then linux swap
[05:43] <K-Ryan> the ntfs partition is smack dab in the middle
[05:43] <apetrescu> BluesKaj: it's not a windows partition, just an ntfs data partition
[05:43] <titanix88> K-Ryan:No problemo! your last ext3 will mount as /home by default.
[05:43] <BluesKaj> what's on the left of windows ?
[05:43] <K-Ryan> titanix88: However I need the info moved
[05:43] <apetrescu> titanix88: He's not trying to have / and /home mounted seperately, he wants there to be *one* larger ext3 partition
[05:43] <BluesKaj> ok ntfs then
[05:44] <K-Ryan> On the left of the ntfs-drive-that-isn't-windows is swap then ext3(/home)
[05:45] <BluesKaj> bummer, well ...is there an existing linux install on the ext partition ?
[05:45] <K-Ryan> The first one, yes
[05:46] <K-Ryan> Well if I have this hdb4, can I use it in Wine?
[05:46] <K-Ryan> To be honest that's what I need it for
[05:46] <backtick> hi all, yesteday i let adept_updater download and install updates (first time since I install kubuntu) but now I can't play any sound files
[05:46] <BluesKaj> but the other partition is strictly ntfs data , no windows OS ?
[05:46] <spyked> apetrescu: going to paste the xorg.conf to you as soon as i register my nick ;9
[05:46] <spyked> ;)
[05:46] <klm> hello
[05:46] <backtick> i use noatun which says artsd can't open the default device for playback (operation not permitted)
[05:46] <K-Ryan> It's ntfs data for Windows, like, my stuff
[05:47] <backtick> and amarok just hangs
[05:47] <K-Ryan> Nothing related to windows
[05:47] <K-Ryan> Hi klm
[05:47] <klm> i have a little problem with networking
[05:47] <Soap> Kubuntu noob here, need help with getting laptop (Dell Lattitude D820) wireless card up and running.  Everyone else I've found through Google seems to have it working out of the box.
[05:47] <apetrescu> spyked: sounds good =) Make sure you also paste the parsing error you got
[05:48] <spyked> apetrescu: ok - you asked for it ;)
[05:48] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, and you want to shrink the ntfs data space and give the remainder over to linux , right ?
[05:48] <K-Ryan> Correct
[05:48] <mannix_> has anyone installed the linux-image-2.6.20-16 update via adept pkg mngr?
[05:48] <K-Ryan> But I can't shrink it on the left
[05:48] <klm> kryan me just now
[05:49] <K-Ryan> klm: Ask the problem and if anyone in the channel can help I'm sure they will.
[05:49] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, ok first of all we don't to need to change any positioning , just the sizes of the partitions
[05:49] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: I have ext3 > swap > ntfs > ext3
[05:50] <K-Ryan> I need to move the second ext3 to the first ext3
[05:50] <jitendra> hello, guys. can anyone help me know how to use apt to make backup of the softwares i download.
[05:50] <jitendra> they get installed but i want backup too.
[05:50] <K-Ryan> but i cant shrink the ntfs on the left side, so i cant move the unallocated space or ext3 to the other ext3.
[05:50] <klm> it seems i can't browse, torrent works fine, p2p the same gaim too
[05:50] <apetrescu> BluesKaj: He is trying to merge the FIRST ext3 partition on his disk with the LAST partition on his disk.
[05:50] <BluesKaj> eeuuw , what's the last ext3 ../ or /home
[05:50] <MrDigimon> How long does it take to do the apt-get distupgrade
[05:50] <K-Ryan> Nothing, I just made it
[05:50] <K-Ryan> I can get rid of it
[05:50] <K-Ryan> I thought that's what I was supposed to do though.
[05:50] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: Depends on your network connection
[05:51] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: A few hours is a safe bet
[05:51] <MrDigimon> 54mbps
[05:51] <K-Ryan> Wow
[05:51] <MrDigimon> 3h?
[05:51] <K-Ryan> I think you mean kbps
[05:51] <MrDigimon> whops
[05:51] <MrDigimon> think so too
[05:51] <K-Ryan> Yeeeaaaah
[05:51] <MrDigimon> the wireless
[05:51] <apetrescu> Heh. MrDigimon, yeah, it'll take about 3 hours at that rate.
[05:51] <apetrescu> There's lots to download :)
[05:51] <MrDigimon> ok
[05:52] <K-Ryan> Mine was between 500kbps and 1mbps and mine worked in no more than 45 minutes.
[05:52] <K-Ryan> The whole thing.
[05:52] <spyked> apetrescu: did you get my text?
[05:52] <BluesKaj> ok ,delete the last ext3 partition if you don't need it
[05:52] <kane> jitendra: what do you mean "back up
[05:52] <K-Ryan> Alrighty
[05:52] <apetrescu> spyked: no :o
[05:52] <korobase> Hi,all
[05:52] <klm> there is a way to see the services that acces my internet connection?
[05:52] <spyked> apetrescu: NO??
[05:52] <spyked> fudge
[05:52] <MrDigimon> but it says E: Invalid operation distupgrade when i try to install
[05:52] <kane> klm: what do you mean?
[05:53] <korobase> I installed a package,But i don't know where it installed?
[05:53] <apetrescu> Nope, did you privmsg it or something?
[05:53] <kane> klm: what ports you have open?
[05:53] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: It's dist-upgrade
[05:53] <BluesKaj> wait ! K-Ryan
[05:53] <apetrescu> Not distupgrade
[05:53] <K-Ryan> What?
[05:53] <MrDigimon> oh, thx :$
[05:53] <korobase> How to find where is it?
[05:53] <jitendra> i meant dpkg package
[05:53] <klm> i don't have acces to browsing and i don't know why
[05:53] <spyked> apetrescu: yes- then i got an eccess flood message and got disconnected ;)
[05:53] <kane> oh can you ping out?
[05:53] <klm> nop
[05:53] <kane> or do other internet activites?
[05:53] <spyked> apetrescu: how can i get this text to you?
[05:53] <apetrescu> spyked: Oh, lol, no. We only got the excess flood quit ;)
[05:53] <klm> still i can use dc++
[05:53] <apetrescu> Why not use pastebin?
[05:53] <korobase> help me.All friends!!!
[05:53] <apetrescu> Or rafb or some other pastebin service/
[05:54] <korobase> I installed a package,But i don't know where it installed?
[05:54] <kane> klm: hrm.
[05:54] <jitendra> kane: i meant dpkg package.
[05:54] <kane> did you install a firewall?
[05:54] <apetrescu> korobase: Using synaptic or adept, rightclick the package name and view the package details
[05:54] <klm> i had some when i restarted the network (/etc/init.d/networking restart)
[05:54] <Jucato> korobase: what did you install?
[05:54] <MrDigimon> wtf?! after 3sec it responded
[05:54] <MrDigimon> Reading package lists... Done
[05:54] <MrDigimon> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:54] <MrDigimon> Calculating upgrade... Done
[05:54] <MrDigimon> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:54] <klm> no i have no such thing
[05:54] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: I have ext3 > swap > nfts > unallocated
[05:54] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: Did you do sudo apt-get update first?
[05:54] <underdog5004> I'm trying to install Medal of Honor: Allied Assault. It looks like it's a native game for windows, since it has a linux installer on disk 2. When I try to run it, I get http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/22909/, which is really not helpful. I've googled around, and it seems the only solution is to copy the default.cfg folder from a windows partition. Unfortunately, I do not have that luxury...Any ideas?
[05:54] <korobase> some packages
[05:54] <MrDigimon> yeah i did
[05:54] <spyked> apetrescu: lol - pastebin is giving me error messages lol
[05:54] <apetrescu> Did you change your sources.list file?
[05:55] <korobase> Any command can do that.
[05:55] <korobase> ?
[05:55] <BluesKaj> ok, now refprmat unallocated to ntfs
[05:55] <spyked> Query failure: Can't open file: 'recent.MYI'. (errno: 145)
[05:55] <spyked> lock tables recent write
[05:55] <apetrescu> spyked: try rafb.net/paste
[05:55] <BluesKaj> format
[05:55] <kane> jitendra: im think all the packages you download get cached for sometime, im not sure what you mean by backing them up though.
[05:55] <K-Ryan> Make it another ntfs drive?
[05:55] <klm> kane: what is hrm
[05:55] <klm> ?
[05:55] <K-Ryan> Or expand the already existing one?
[05:55] <MrDigimon> i did change the source list file but it wont work
[05:55] <spyked> apetrescu: http://rafb.net/p/zZGTB537.html
[05:55] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, , then expand ntfs in to that space
[05:55] <Jucato> korobase: depends on what those packages are meant to do. if they are graphical programs, most probably they will be in the K Menu after installing. if they are command line utilities, you'll have to run them from Konsole. if they are just libraries, you don't run those
[05:55] <apetrescu> Did you get any errors when you did sudo apt-get update ?
[05:56] <MrDigimon> nope
[05:56] <kane> klm: just strange, just for grins try to bring your interface up and back down.
[05:56] <jitendra> kane: i want to know in which directory i look for the cache of the packages i download.
[05:56] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: Make it ext3 > swap > ntfs > ntfs ?
[05:56] <kane> sudo ifdown eth0.  sudo ifup eth0
[05:56] <klm> i did that
[05:56] <mannix_>  has anyone installed the linux-image-2.6.20-16 update via adept pkg mngr?
[05:56] <klm> on live cd it works fine
[05:56] <klm> ok let me try it
[05:56] <kane> klm: nutty....
[05:56] <korobase> Yeah,I want use a command to show me some thing detail about a package.
[05:57] <spyked> apetrescu: theparse error was on line 201 of section DRI in xorg.conf - "option" is not a valid keyword in this section
[05:57] <korobase> Which command?
[05:57] <apetrescu> Ah, I see the problem
[05:57] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, yes, then take the first ntfs and expand it
[05:57] <spyked> apetrescu: good to hear that ;9
[05:57] <MrDigimon> i forgot again, wheres the sources.list?
[05:57] <apetrescu> Completely delete lines 201 and 202
[05:57] <SlimeyPete> /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:57] <MrDigimon> keep forgetting where it is
[05:57] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: Use all the unallocated space?
[05:57] <MrDigimon> thx
[05:58] <apetrescu> You already have that section covered in lines 226-228
[05:58] <kane> jitendra: try /var/cahce/apt/archives
[05:58] <spyked> ok...
[05:58] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, in order to expand a partion left or right he adjoining one must be the same format
[05:58] <apetrescu> So if you delete the lines 201 and 203 from your xorg.conf file, the error will go away
[05:58] <korobase> I install a book using apt-get install,But I can't find it?
[05:58] <apetrescu> Er, 201 and 202 sorry
[05:58] <titanix88> Bluskaj: ur prblm solved?
[05:58] <apetrescu> korobase: It's most likely in /usr/share/doc
[05:58] <titanix88> Blueskaj: ur prblm solved?
[05:59] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: I really don't get this, I'm making a second ntfs partition.
[05:59] <jitendra> kane: great man thanks
[05:59] <spyked> apetrescu: done
[05:59] <kane> jitendra: np
[05:59] <apetrescu> Okay, now startx again :)
[05:59] <K-Ryan> Oh I think I get it...
[05:59] <spyked> ok- 2 secs
[05:59] <BluesKaj> yes K-Ryan it must be the same in order to move it there
[06:00] <K-Ryan> No I just overall didn't get it
[06:00] <K-Ryan> I get it now
[06:00] <titanix88> K-Ryan: ubuntu installed or will install?
[06:00] <K-Ryan> Or at least I think I do
[06:00] <K-Ryan> titanix88: I have Kubuntu installed already
[06:01] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: I now have two ntfs partitions net to each other
[06:01] <K-Ryan> *next
[06:01] <titanix88> K-Ryan: then why not copy ur data frm second ext3 & delete it?
[06:01] <MrDigimon> hey no wonder it didnt work, the sources.list has gone back to dapper
[06:01] <K-Ryan> I can't do anything with them
[06:01] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: strange. Did you edit it with sudo permissions?
[06:01] <K-Ryan> titanix88: From the first to second? Because I can't access them because i'm on a livecd
[06:01] <apetrescu> If not, you were unable to actually save your changes.
[06:01] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, now expand /resize the first ntfs partition
[06:02] <MrDigimon> yes i did
[06:02] <apetrescu> That's really weird then. Are you sure you edited the right file and not just a copy?
[06:02] <K-Ryan> Blueskaj: I can't resize it
[06:02] <apetrescu> At any rate, try changing it again and do an apt-get update now :P
[06:02] <titanix88> K-Ryan: installed kubuntu doesn't work?
[06:02] <K-Ryan> titanix88: It works fine, I want to give it more space
[06:02] <spyked> apetrescu: still didn't boot into gui
[06:02] <BluesKaj> ok , then shrink the 2nd ntfs
[06:02] <apetrescu> spyked: what problem did it give this time?
[06:02] <spyked> i rebooted - to text *sigh*
[06:03] <spyked> no problem - just text logon
[06:03] <kane> spyked
[06:03] <apetrescu> Oh
[06:03] <K-Ryan> My hard drive must hate me right now
[06:03] <kane> whoops
[06:03] <apetrescu> Try typing: startx
[06:03] <apetrescu> And see what it gives you
[06:03] <spyked> apetrescu: did that - it froze
[06:03] <apetrescu> O_o;
[06:03] <spyked> apetrescu: so i rebooted
[06:03] <apetrescu> Just -- froze? No error message?
[06:03] <spyked> apetrescu: note: i'm no good at reading logs... dunno how
[06:04] <spyked> but no, no message
[06:04] <apetrescu> Did you try ctrl+alt+F1'ing back to the terminal to see if there was any output?
[06:04] <BluesKaj> what i don't get is how ntfs ended upo in the middle of the drive , most linux installs will put the ext partition on the right of existing ntfs
[06:04] <Cosmo__> I don't know if I am just missing it or don't have something set right but I cannot seem to get it to show me the other computers on my network, as in they can see me but I can't find the proper explorer window to see them, so I can move a file to a windows computer on the network, can anyone help?
[06:04] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: I can only remove space on the right side of the first ntfs.
[06:04] <kane> spyked: sometimes when it appears to freeze you just get stuck in the virtual ternminal you can hit ctrl alt and f1 through f7 to get out.
[06:04] <titanix88> K-Ryan: u have ur /home in the second ext3?
[06:04] <Cosmo__> reather new to linux
[06:05] <apetrescu> titanix88: No, he just now created it.
[06:05] <spyked> apetrescu: mdadm: No devices listed in conf file were found...
[06:05] <K-Ryan> titanix88: No, and I got rid of the second ext3.
[06:05] <spyked> gonna startx -
[06:05] <MrDigimon> now is the apt-get upgrade searching on feisty
[06:05] <apetrescu> Cosmo__: What do you see if you go to "Places -> Network"
[06:05] <BluesKaj> weird
[06:05] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: did you do sudo apt-get update ?
[06:05] <apetrescu> (NOT upgrade)
[06:05] <MrDigimon> yep
[06:05] <spyked> apetrescu: no - it FROZE - can't ctrl-alt anything
[06:05] <apetrescu> Hmmm
[06:06] <kane> spyked: did you try all the way through f7
[06:06] <MrDigimon> should i do upgrade now or dist-upgrade
[06:06] <spyked> yup
[06:06] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: dist-upgrade
[06:06] <MrDigimon> ok
[06:06] <titanix88> K-Ryan: then move the ntfs right.
[06:06] <spyked> kane ctrl-alt del works fine tho ;)
[06:07] <BluesKaj> can you shrink the last ntfs partition?
[06:07] <K-Ryan> I did
[06:07] <kane> spyked: youre trying to install the nvidia drivers?
[06:07] <K-Ryan> Now I have ext3 > swap > ntfs > un > ntfs > un
[06:07] <MrDigimon> thx for the help everyone, i hadnt get this far whitout u
[06:07] <spyked> kane - no, just trying to get gui back after the latest kernel upgrade - i'm using ATI drivers
[06:07] <kane> ah
[06:07] <epimeth> soooo.... why isn't dolphin's icon a dolphin? seriously... I have it as one of my small quicklaunch icons and I can never find it
[06:07] <kane> ok
[06:08] <kane> it sounds like the kernal drivers didnt get updated.
[06:08] <Cosmo__> apetrescu: do you mean in the konqueror? under network tab in konqueror it shows only FTP archive, KDE Oficcial FTP and websites
[06:08] <kane> you used envy to install them right?
[06:08] <apetrescu> Cosmo__: Oh, right, we're in KDE :P
[06:08] <K-Ryan> And I still can't shrink either on the left side. I can only trim space off the right side.
[06:08] <Cosmo__> apetrescu: yeah
[06:08] <BluesKaj> where di the first unallocated come from ?
[06:08] <spyked> kane: <hangs head>yes...
[06:08] <apetrescu> Okay, there should be a button on the panel that, when clicked, opens up a list with some things like "Home Folder", "Network", "Removable Drives", etc
[06:08] <K-Ryan> I trimmed it off the first ntfs
[06:08] <apetrescu> Do you see that?
[06:08] <kane> spyked: ok next time it comes back up
[06:08] <kane> run envy -t
[06:08] <apetrescu> (Referring to Cosmo__ here)
[06:08] <kane> and install the drivers.
[06:08] <klm> it seems the browsing works but veeery veeery bad (it's not because of my connection on livecd i had 1,5 mbps) i just want to know how can i see what process uses my internet connection or maybe bloks it
[06:09] <spyked> kane: ok
[06:09] <MrDigimon> whoa, add- remove says there's 1068 new packs that HAVE to be installed
[06:09] <kane> spyked: because you used envy, the drivers do not get updated automagicly.
[06:09] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: Yup.
[06:09] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, format the unallocated to ntfs...btw , how large are they ?
[06:09] <MrDigimon> i feel a bit after the KDE upgrades lol
[06:09] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: Should I just make it all one big ntfs with un on the right?
[06:10] <spyked> kane - i had tried this, but i'll try once again... should i just let envy install or should i install them manually?
[06:10] <MrDigimon> how much have i missed since dapper? how many years have it been since it came out?
[06:10] <BluesKaj> un and ntfs are differnt formats unallocated means no format
[06:10] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: There's been two major releases since then
[06:10] <apetrescu> (Edgy and Feisty)
[06:10] <kane> spyked: try to let envy do it.
[06:10] <Cosmo__> apetrescu: the konqueror file browser?
[06:10] <K-Ryan> I know that
[06:10] <spyked> ok
[06:10] <apetrescu> Cosmo__: Huh?
[06:11] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, if you could that would be good yes
[06:11] <K-Ryan> I had it like that to begin with =(
[06:11] <apetrescu> In the panel at the bottom, there should be a button with a little ^ arrow
[06:11] <MrDigimon> i think i am a bit after my time....
[06:11] <apetrescu> When you press it it gives you a smaller menu with four items
[06:11] <apetrescu> They're something like "Home Folder", "Network", "Removable Drives", "User's Folders"
[06:11] <apetrescu> Something similar, I forget the specifics
[06:11] <titanix88> K-Ryan:probably ur live cd mouted the swap partition.
[06:12] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: I unmounted it, not that that has anything to do with this
[06:12] <K-Ryan> =P
[06:12] <BluesKaj> he's running Gpartred live cd
[06:12] <K-Ryan> Err, titanix88
[06:12] <os2mac> Is there another repository I need to be checking to get firefox updates?
[06:12] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: Now I have ext3 > swap > ntfs > un
[06:12] <Cosmo__> apetrescu: I'm trying to find the button your refering to
[06:12] <MrDigimon> i dont belive that i missed these 2 releases of kubuntu....
[06:12] <gr-cn> hi to all, i've got a problem installing a nvidia geForce 6200 256 mb - with nvidia settings in system menu all is ok on nvidia driver  - resolution and refresh, but when i restart xserver it loose settings - in monitor & display settings from kubuntu it see geForce 6800 (generic) and driver nv, someone knows why and what i can do for resolving?
[06:12] <kane> klm: try iftop
[06:13] <spyked> kane: done installing - rebooting now
[06:13] <MrDigimon> i should have noticed somehow
[06:13] <BluesKaj> ok, now format un to ntfs and see if you can merge them or shrink the one on the right
[06:13] <K-Ryan> I did that before
[06:13] <apetrescu> gr-cn, in your xorg.conf file, change    Driver "nv"    to    Driver "nvidia"
[06:13] <underdog5004> gr-cn, you need to change the driver from nv to nvidia
[06:13] <underdog5004> lol, too slow...
[06:13] <BluesKaj> or expand the left ntfs
[06:13] <K-Ryan> I made it ext3 > swap > ntfs > ntfs
[06:14] <os2mac> !firefox
[06:14] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[06:14] <gr-cn> the xorg is ok
[06:14] <K-Ryan> then ext3 > swap > ntfs > un > ntfs > un
[06:14] <BluesKaj> ok can you expand the left ntfs?
[06:14] <apetrescu> gr-cn: if it says "Driver "nv"" anywhere in there, it's not 'okay' :P
[06:14] <K-Ryan> I couldn't expand the first ntfs into the second, no
[06:14] <underdog5004> gr-cn, no, it's not
[06:14] <kane> gr-cn: that monitor and system settings screen is wrong
[06:14] <spyked> kane: still not getting gui - it's in txt again
[06:14] <kane> gr-cn: mine says the same thing.
[06:14] <apetrescu> Well unless you have multiple device entries, that is
[06:14] <MrDigimon> is there any good games that i have missed? lol
[06:15] <troy> hey guys, did the device naming change for IDE disks with feisty?
[06:15] <K-Ryan> MrDigimon: Ever play sauerbraten?
[06:15] <apetrescu> MrDigimon: Only Wesnoth :D
[06:15] <spyked> only message: mdadm: no devices listed in conf file were found
[06:15] <kane> gr-cn: if you want the nvidia tool to save the settings you did you will have to run it as root, so it has write access to /etc/X11
[06:15] <BluesKaj> that's very strange, it should do it , K-Ryan
[06:15] <apetrescu> spyked: That message is not related to your problem
[06:15] <kane> gr-cn: and make sure you press save settings
[06:15] <apetrescu> It's a hard-drive related warning
[06:15] <MrDigimon> okayyy i think i missed something here
[06:15] <spyked> apetrescu: ok, but... i want my gui!! :)
[06:15] <gr-cn> i changed nv to nvidia in xorg there is no nv in there
[06:16] <K-Ryan> Blueskaj: I'll try again
[06:16] <apetrescu> gr-cn, when, just now?
[06:16] <underdog5004> gr-cn, pastebin your xorg.conf
[06:16] <underdog5004> please
[06:16] <MrDigimon> but the computer worked so fine until recently so i havent thought of any upgrading
[06:16] <kane> gr-cn: yeah that tool is just wrong.
[06:16] <apetrescu> spyked, hm
[06:16] <underdog5004> gr-cn, have you restarted your xserver since you made the changes?
[06:16] <apetrescu> "Just crashing" is hard to diagnose without actually being there... =/
[06:16] <K-Ryan> Okay BluesKaj: I have ext3 > swap > ntfs > un > ntfs
[06:16] <kane> spyked: well you can reconfigure the x.org file and atleast get back to your gui.
[06:16] <titanix88> MrDigimon: played Nexuiz?
[06:16] <gr-cn> underdog5004 yes also reboot
[06:17] <MrDigimon> no
[06:17] <spyked> kane: ??
[06:17] <MrDigimon> i have missed sooo much
[06:17] <K-Ryan> I'm expanding the first ntfs into the un
[06:17] <underdog5004> gr-cn, hmm
[06:17] <kane> spyked: well you can use the default driver instead of the ati binary one.
[06:17] <kane> the non accelerated one.
[06:17] <MrDigimon> but within 1h 30m the dist-upgrade should be done :D
[06:17] <titanix88> K-Ryan: can u move ur swap?
[06:18] <spyked> the accellerated one worked fine until 2 hours ago...
[06:18] <K-Ryan> Haven't tried titanix88
[06:18] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: I've got ext3 > swap > ntfs > ntfs now
[06:18] <kane> spyked: its a driver problem.
[06:18] <kane> spyked: it happens alot when envy is used.
[06:18] <K-Ryan> And I can't expand the first ntfs into the second
[06:18] <K-Ryan> Hold on a second -.-
[06:19] <spyked> kane: so... how do i fix it and stop using envy?
[06:19] <gr-cn> this is my xorg.conf
[06:19] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, resize first ntfs and expand to the right
[06:19] <gr-cn> # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
[06:19] <gr-cn> # nvidia-xconfig:  version 1.0  (buildmeister@builder3)  Mon Feb 26 23:38:46 PST 2007
[06:19] <gr-cn> # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
[06:19] <gr-cn> #
[06:19] <gr-cn> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
[06:19] <titanix88> K-Ryan: move ntfs right. then the swap. then resize the ext3
[06:19] <kane> spyked: can you pastebin the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:19] <BluesKaj> spyked, remove envy it's broken in feisty
[06:19] <titanix88> MrDigimon: SuperTux?
[06:20] <spyked> BluesKaj: is it that easy?
[06:20] <COMpIZ> why is my screen getting white after installing compiz ??
[06:20] <kane> gr-cn: yeah that one tool in the KDE settings is just plain incorrect.
[06:20] <spyked> BluesKaj: i mean, will removing it get me back into gui?
[06:20] <spyked> kane: 2 secs
[06:20] <kane> spyked: before you remove it, use it to uninstall the ATI drivers.
[06:20] <BluesKaj> no spyked , but it's the first step to recovery for X
[06:20] <spyked> BluesKaj: ok...
[06:21] <kane> since you are not going to be able to apt-get remove them.
[06:21] <COMpIZ> why is my screen getting white after installing compiz?? (nvidia, edgy kubuntu)
[06:22] <spyked> kane: http://rafb.net/p/e6EZm870.html
[06:22] <spyked> kane: that's my Xorg.0.log
[06:22] <titanix88> Mr-Digimon: trigger?
[06:23] <BluesKaj> Envy is ok for edgy but it doesn't work in feisty , but this tutotorial does : http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[06:23] <MrDigimon> i have played SuperTux, its just great
[06:23] <BluesKaj> err tutorial :)
[06:23] <MrDigimon> havent played trigger
[06:23] <spyked> BluesKaj: ok...i'll take a look at that
[06:24] <titanix88> MrDigimon: Frozenbubble?
[06:24] <MrDigimon> installed it but i havent took time to play it
[06:24] <kane> yeah thats kinda a strange log file, but it looks like the fglrx drivers are killing you.
[06:25] <spyked> kane: how's that?
[06:25] <BluesKaj> spyked, be careful you don't follow his suggestion about copying hi xorg file
[06:25] <MrDigimon> 1h 20m until finished dist-upgrade
[06:25] <BluesKaj> his
[06:25] <spyked> BluesKaj: i won't
[06:25] <titanix88> MrDigimon: it's a puzzle bubble clone.
[06:25] <MrDigimon> ok
[06:25] <kane> spyked: how is it strange? well it doesnt really give an EE it just dumps with a back trace
[06:25] <spyked> oh..
[06:26] <kane> spyked: normally it gives an error and drops out.
[06:26] <angasule> does anyone know anything about kvim? is it available at all anywhere?
[06:26] <kane> but i havent had alot of experince with old ATI on linux, the drivers are sorta not so good.
[06:27] <titanix88> MrDigimon: neverball?
[06:27] <MrDigimon> nope
[06:27] <MrDigimon> have u played x-moto?
[06:27] <spyked> kane: well i uninstalled everything with envy - using BluesKaj's suggestion
[06:27] <spyked> hoping that'll work
[06:28] <titanix88> MrDigimon: no,is it nice?
[06:28] <BluesKaj> spyked, now uninstall envy :)
[06:28] <MrDigimon> yeah, but hard as hell
[06:28] <MrDigimon> u always hit somethimh and have to play the stage from the beginning
[06:29] <spyked> BluesKaj: will do :)
[06:29] <spyked> BluesKaj: done :9
[06:29] <spyked> :)
[06:29] <MrDigimon> titanix88: played Frets on Fire?
[06:29] <titanix88> MrDigimon: neverball:roll the ball neverputt:mini golf,nice 3d
[06:29] <angasule> MrDigimon: just don't hold the keys down :)
[06:29] <MrDigimon> ok, :D
[06:30] <spyked> oh crap
[06:30] <titanix88> MrDigimon: no.
[06:30] <kane> thats a good sign.
[06:30] <spyked> anyone know how i can get the '~' symbol on a danish keyboard?? lol
[06:30] <MrDigimon> guitar hero clone
[06:30] <spyked> i need to mkdir -p ~/fglrx - can't copy/paste lol
[06:30] <angasule> MrDigimon: if you hit the key repeatedly you can control it much better, holding down a key will always result in your head embedded in a wall
[06:30] <MrDigimon> ok
[06:31] <angasule> spyked: try right-alt + 4 or + q
[06:31] <MrDigimon> will install it after 1h and 15m
[06:31] <BluesKaj> <-- part danish but uses NA KB
[06:31] <kane> spyked: you can replace ~ with your home bath.
[06:31] <MrDigimon> when the dist upgrade is done
[06:31] <kane> ~ in that command is the same as /home/spyked
[06:31] <kane> or whatever.
[06:31] <spyked> kane:  oh ok :)
[06:31] <titanix88> MrDigimon: Nexuiz will even demand cutting edge hardware.
[06:32] <gr-cn> underdog5004 did you see my xorg.conf?
[06:32] <MrDigimon> ok
[06:32] <angasule> <-- 100% italian born in argentina who has used a norwegian keyboard :P
[06:32] <MrDigimon> thats a bit odd angasule
[06:32] <underdog5004> gr-cn, sorry, I'm busy...wasn't there someone else helping you?
[06:32] <MrDigimon> norweigan keyboard in italia
[06:33] <angasule> MrDigimon: oh, no, I live in Argentina, my family is of italian origin
[06:33] <MrDigimon> ok
[06:33] <yarddog> anyone here from new mexico?
[06:33] <MrDigimon> guess i misred it
[06:33] <MrDigimon> *misread
[06:33] <angasule> MrDigimon: jeg laerte norsk :) which explains the keyboard bit
[06:33] <titanix88> MrDigimon: gl-117,foobillard,billard-gl  also fun. i've played them all.
[06:33] <BluesKaj> <--- born in Finland of Swedish/Danish parents .. have lived in Canada for practically all my life
[06:34] <gr-cn> underdog5004 ok
[06:34] <pippo> i
[06:34] <spyked> lol
[06:34] <spyked> <--- born in canada, now living in denmark
[06:34] <spyked> miss canada ;)
[06:34] <BluesKaj> how long in denmark , spyked ?
[06:34] <MrDigimon> well i understand norweigan good because its one of our neighborlnds (i live in Finland)
[06:34] <angasule> MrDigimon: you're looking for games? or specific types of games?
[06:35] <titanix88> <--from Bangladesh.
[06:35] <sam101> !adept
[06:35] <pippo> hi
[06:35] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[06:35] <gr-cn> kane if the tool is wrong what i can do for bypass it?
[06:35] <llutz> spyked: you are "miss canada"? ;))
[06:35] <spyked> BluesKaj: 6 years now
[06:35] <angasule> MrDigimon: puhuttko suomi?
[06:35] <spyked> llutz: lol!!
[06:35] <spyked> not what i meant ;)
[06:35] <MrDigimon> kyll
[06:35] <kane> gr-cn: use nvidia-settings to set your screen resolution
[06:35] <spyked> brb - back to my installation
[06:35] <MrDigimon> but i dont speak perfekt
[06:35] <MrDigimon> c
[06:35] <BluesKaj> suomalianens galore in here :)
[06:36] <angasule> MrDigimon: is that yes or no? I don't know finnish :D
[06:36] <MrDigimon> kyll = yes
[06:36] <MrDigimon> but im not so good at finnish
[06:36] <angasule> ok, thanks, so are you looking for games?
[06:36] <gr-cn> kane every time?
[06:36] <MrDigimon> yes some online games
[06:36] <kane> gr-cn: no make sure you run it as root
[06:36] <MrDigimon> where u can shoot ppl
[06:36] <titanix88> MDigimon: = yes :)
[06:36] <angasule> oh, online games? hmm, how about enemy territory?
[06:37] <kane> gr-cn: and press "save to x config files"
[06:37] <llutz> MrDigimon: sauerbraten
[06:37] <kane> UT2004 is a nice game
[06:37] <MrDigimon> already have WolfET
[06:37] <angasule> MrDigimon: have you tried tremulous?
[06:37] <MrDigimon> will try the game after dist-upgrade
[06:37] <gr-cn> kane ok, tnx, i'll try that way
[06:37] <kane> UT2004 has some pretty good mods as well, which helps
[06:37] <MrDigimon> no i havent
[06:37] <titanix88> MrDigimon:Nexuiz is best for that(it's gpl)
[06:37] <angasule> MrDigimon: some people like it, it wouldn't work on my previous pc, though
[06:37] <MrDigimon> the problems is that i dont have so good graphics card
[06:37] <BluesKaj> MrDigimon, are you a "swedish" finn ?
[06:38] <MrDigimon> yes
[06:38] <DeadEnd154> Hello, Does anyone have a little time to help me trouble shoot an linus ubuntu install ?
[06:38] <Skiff> gentlemen I get this error with a newly made nvidia driver  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22915/
[06:38] <BluesKaj> same here ..well i was
[06:38] <titanix88> DEadEnd154: yes.
[06:38] <MrDigimon> kan du svenska?
[06:38] <MrDigimon> = can u swedish
[06:38] <kane> Skiff: try this, do "sudo rmmod nvidia" then "sudo modprobe nvidia"
[06:38] <BluesKaj> bara liite
[06:38] <angasule> MrDigimon: jag talar inte svenska :(
[06:38] <kane> Skiff: then startx.
[06:39] <angasule> MrDigimon: what video card do you have?
[06:39] <MrDigimon> ok
[06:39] <MrDigimon> nvidia 32mb
[06:39] <BluesKaj> can't spel svensk worth a damn
[06:39] <Skiff> kane, sudo rmmod nvidia
[06:39] <Skiff> err
[06:39] <MrDigimon> openGL support
[06:39] <Skiff> kane, skiff@LinuxBox:~$ sudo rmmod nvidia
[06:39] <Skiff> ERROR: Module nvidia does not exist in /proc/modules
[06:39] <angasule> MrDigimon: some GeForce 2 card?
[06:39] <MrDigimon> no
[06:39] <MrDigimon> dont remember what the whole name was
[06:40] <kane> ok then just sudo modrobe nvidia
[06:40] <Skiff> kane sudo modprobe nvidia
[06:40] <Skiff> FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[06:40] <kane> lame. have you rebooted?
[06:40] <Skiff> yes
[06:40] <angasule> MrDigimon:ok, but yeah, it's kind of old for most new FPS games
[06:40] <Skiff> I will once again just to be sure
[06:40] <kane> skiff how did you install it?
[06:40] <MrDigimon> i will buy a new one soon
[06:41] <MrDigimon> it's 'bout 128mb
[06:41] <Skiff> kane, long story but I had to patch and old driver and compile it
[06:41] <MrDigimon> but i can play WolfET
[06:41] <DeadEnd154> OK I and New to linux. it keeps giving me an error when i try to install it. says cannot load x protocall(graphics interface) i have the ubuntu version
[06:41] <Skiff> and then install it
[06:41] <Skiff> 1 sec
[06:41] <dhiogjen> hey all
[06:42] <DeadEnd154> anyone have any ideas ?
[06:42] <Skiff> kane http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22917/
[06:42] <titanix88> MrDigimon: I've geforce 5200fx and can't enable all options in Nexuiz to maintain framerate.
[06:42] <dhiogjen> does anyone know how to check what graphics card a pc is using through ubuntu?
[06:42] <Skiff> kane just look at the commands I did no need to speak spanish
[06:42] <MrDigimon> ok, too much 4 my comp i guess lol
[06:43] <dhiogjen> anyone know how to check the graphcs card?
[06:43] <angasule> titanix88: the 5200 is a bit slow, though, lots of effects but not fast... a 4200 is faster (with less effects)
[06:43] <Pollywog> !shfs > pollywog
[06:43] <kane> Skiff: well its hard to say what happened, its possible it doesnt like the diff.  Also are you sure you have the most recent kernal source installed?
[06:43] <dhiogjen> currently, everything is being run indirectly
[06:43] <titanix88> DeadEnd154: what graphics card? what ubuntu ver?
[06:43] <angasule> dhiogjen: glxinfo | grep renderer
[06:43] <kane> that error you are getting often comes from the driver built with the incorrect kernal source
[06:43] <dhiogjen> thnx
[06:43] <angasule> np
[06:43] <Skiff> kane yes
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[06:44] <Skiff> kane yeah but the new drivers for my card are screwed up
[06:44] <titanix88> DeadEnd154: yes
[06:44] <Pollywog> is there info somewhere on getting shfs working?
[06:44] <Skiff> they screw up only on gforce 4s
[06:44] <dhiogjen> angasule: that didn't help at all O_O , it just spat out mesa glx indirect
[06:44] <Pollywog> I don't know if it is the same as sshfs
[06:44] <dhiogjen> angasule: i need the actual card, not the driver
[06:44] <spyked> BluesKaj: you there?
[06:44] <kane> Skiff: try this "depmod -a" and reboot.
[06:44] <DeadEnd154> Sorry dude. wrong key.. i am running 2 8800 GTs OC BFG
[06:44] <Skiff> guys any1 is using gforce 4 here?
[06:45] <angasule> dhiogjen: oh :)
[06:45] <Pollywog> Skiff I think you need the legacy drivers for that card
[06:45] <titanix88> Skiff: i used to.
[06:45] <kane> that should force it to register any module dependencies it might be failing.
[06:45] <dhiogjen> angasule: anyway to check the actual make of the card without having to open up my computer?
[06:45] <angasule> dhiogjen: any idea if you have nvidia, ati, or what?
[06:46] <MrDigimon> 1h left of install, booring....
[06:46] <Skiff> Pollywog, yeah but they suck ass
[06:46] <angasule> dhiogjen: try: lspci | grep VGA
[06:46] <dhiogjen> angasule: no, thats what im trying to figure out
[06:46] <dhiogjen> angasule: it might be integrated as well
[06:46] <dhiogjen> angasule: this isnt my pc, it's my grandfathers
[06:46] <angasule> dhiogjen: integrated could be VIA, intel...
[06:46] <Pollywog> Skiff how old is that card?
[06:46] <angasule> dhiogjen: what is installed in it currently?
[06:46] <dhiogjen> angasule: 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82815 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller]  (rev 04)
[06:46] <MrDigimon> just a random question: does anyone here speak swedish
[06:46] <dhiogjen> angasule: any clue where i can get the driver for that
[06:47] <angasule> dhiogjen: let me check, but I think the driver is included in the kernel
[06:47] <kane> that one is open source i believe, should come with it.
[06:47] <Skiff> Pollywog, dont remember
[06:47] <dhiogjen> angasule: well thats strange, because it has to emulate 3D support :\.   google earth runs at literally 0.3 frames a second
[06:47] <DeadEnd154> titanix88: I am running Two BFG 8800 GTS OC NON SlI Mode. On a BFG 680I  MB
[06:47] <Skiff> Pollywog, 3-4 years
[06:47] <Skiff> gforce 4 440
[06:47] <titanix88> Skiff: i had dapper 6.06.1 and nvidia-glx worked fine for me.
[06:48] <dhiogjen> DeadEnd154: lucky bastard O_O
[06:48] <DeadEnd154> LOL
[06:48] <Pollywog> I had one and I think it is more like 6 or 7 yrs
[06:48] <Skiff> titanix88, yeah it only started screwing up with feisty
[06:48] <angasule> dhiogjen: what is installed in that computer? kubuntu? what version?
[06:48] <MrDigimon> i have dapper about 1h more lol
[06:48] <MrDigimon> after that i have feisty :D
[06:49] <dhiogjen> angasule: yeah, kubuntu.  i'm not 100% on what version, it was a cd i burned maybe hlaf an year ago.
[06:49] <dhiogjen> angasule: i know it's dapper if taht helps :\
[06:49] <angasule> dhiogjen: so it was dapper or edgy
[06:49] <dhiogjen> angasule: dapper
[06:49] <angasule> yeah, dapper :)
[06:50] <Cosmo__> ok this is wierd my drives are disapearing, 2 pen drives and my NTFS drive
[06:50] <MrDigimon> 55m left
[06:50] <titanix88> DeadEnd154: press F1 during installation there is a help menu. try it. no furthur help ican do. WO/Men u really got some piece of hardware :p.
[06:51] <dhiogjen> angasule: any luck?
[06:51] <heatheringlis> hey everyone, i have just installed feisty, and when i 'sudo kate /etc/X11/x.org' or 'sudo konqueror' it fails and says 'kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!' many times
[06:51] <heatheringlis> does anyone know what is wrong?
[06:51] <heatheringlis> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[06:51] <titanix88> Skiff: maybe they sifted the driver to nvidia-glx-legacy.try it.
[06:51] <heatheringlis> oops
[06:51] <angasule> dhiogjen: checking
[06:51] <dhiogjen> heatheringlis: yes, there doesn't seem to be a database available :-P
[06:52] <Skiff> titanix88, yeah
[06:52] <MrDigimon> i have to get anything to eat, read u later guys
[06:52] <titanix88> Skiff: then what's the prblm?
[06:52] <spyked> *sigh*
[06:52] <heatheringlis> it also says
[06:52] <heatheringlis> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22919/
[06:53] <heatheringlis> dhiogjen: how do i create a database?
[06:53] <spyked> ok - this didn't work - i'm STILL booting in txt mode!! http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[06:53] <spyked> seriously -wtf?
[06:53] <dhiogjen> heatheringlis: that was a joke :-P
[06:53] <dhiogjen> heatheringlis: i'm not sure what the problem is, i don't use ubuntu.  i'm a kanotix lover :-P
[06:54] <ubuntu_> hello guys :(, i recently made few changes to my hard disk drive using Gparted Boot Cd, now grub is no more able to load any of my OS's
[06:54] <heatheringlis> dhiogjen: hence why you are in the kubuntu support room :)
[06:54] <angasule> dhiogjen: hmm, your card should work in dapper, maybe you should ask in #ubuntu , since the graphics driver part is the same as kubuntu, I don't have direct experience with i815 cards
[06:54] <spyked> anyone help?
[06:54] <ubuntu_> right now i am using kubuntu live cd, what should i do to restore the way grub used to work
[06:55] <dhiogjen> heatheringlis: because i need kubuntu support.
[06:55] <dhiogjen> angasule: i'll try over there, thanks
[06:55] <heatheringlis> does anyone know what is wrong here? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22920/ any help would be hugely appreciated
[06:55] <Lichte> how do I reconfigure my keyboad layout ??
[06:55] <ubuntu_> help guys :'(
[06:56] <spyked> BluesKaj: http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty didn't work!! what can i do???
[06:57] <spyked> my var/log/Xorg.0.log is here: http://rafb.net/p/ItLce032.html
[06:57] <Ank000> hello guys :(, i recently made few changes to my hard disk drive using Gparted Boot Cd, now grub is no more able to load any of my OS's
[06:57] <Ank000> help guys :'(
[06:58] <Ank000> drive name got changed, my root == /sda8 , it got changed to /sda6.
[06:59] <Ank000> YAY i helped my self
[06:59] <Ank000> :) http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry708.html
[07:00] <heatheringlis> hey everyone, i have just installed a fresh feisty using ubiquity, and i have the following problem: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22920/
[07:00] <Skiff> will beryl work with legacy drivers?
[07:00] <heatheringlis> does anyone know how to fix it?
[07:00] <heatheringlis> thanks
[07:01] <gnomefreak> Skiff: yes join #ubuntu-effects for more info on it
[07:01] <K-Ryan> Sorry to leave you guys hangin'
[07:02] <andre> hello, I was wondering if anyone knows how to prevent the sound looping for ubuntu?
[07:03] <vasile> what happens if i change my motherboard?
[07:03] <MrDigimon> have to reconfigure alot?
[07:03] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: You still here?
[07:04] <spyked> ok - going to try this again :) : hi all - i can't get booted in gui anymore - keeps booting in txt mode - ATI drivers installed this way: http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty - my var/log/Xorg.0.log is here: http://rafb.net/p/ItLce032.html - can anyone help me??
[07:05] <K-Ryan> Anyone know how to use the copy function in GParted?
[07:05] <Skiff> gnomefreak thanks
[07:05] <gnomefreak-lapto> Skiff: yw
[07:06] <apetrescu> spyked, that Signal 11 is a segmentation error. Seems to be something wrong with the driver o_O;
[07:06] <zblach> :|
[07:06] <spyked> apetrescu: oooh wonderful - are we having fun yet?? lol
[07:06] <MrDigimon> hrm, signal 11 sounds familiar lol
[07:06] <apetrescu> spyked: Thinking... =/
[07:07] <MrDigimon> 0_o
[07:08] <spyked> apetrescu: what about a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[07:08] <claudio46> salve ragazzi
[07:08] <apetrescu> spyked: At this point, I highly doubt its a configuration error, which is the only thing that would solve
[07:08] <DraxNS> !it | claudio46
[07:08] <ubotu> claudio46: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[07:08] <apetrescu> Your log file indicates it succesfully paresed xorg.conf but some module segfauled
[07:08] <spyked> apetrescu: what about other drivers??
[07:08] <apetrescu> *segfaulted
[07:08] <apetrescu> But its worth a try
[07:08] <apetrescu> Actually
[07:08] <claudio46> ok scusate
[07:08] <apetrescu> Try changing temporarily to a vesa driver
[07:09] <apetrescu> See if its the driver module at fault.
[07:09] <spyked> apetrescu: how do i do that?
[07:09] <apetrescu> Go to xorg.conf and change the Driver "fglrx" line to Driver "vesa"
[07:10] <spyked> apetrescu: did you see in my xorg.conf there are TWO Section"DEVICE" thingies?
[07:10] <MrDigimon> 37m left of dist-upgrade
[07:10] <ubuntu__> hello how can i translante unbuntu in french
[07:11] <MrDigimon> installing some languages packs?
[07:11] <ubuntu__> no in live cd
[07:11] <MrDigimon> oh
[07:11] <MrDigimon> no idea
[07:11] <ubuntu__> ok thanks
[07:12] <K-Ryan> !fstab
[07:12] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[07:12] <MrDigimon> maybye copy the cd to the harddrive and edit it to french?
[07:13] <apetrescu> spyked: Yeah, I saw that you have two Section entries. That's no big deal, the Server entry specifies one of them to use
[07:13] <apetrescu> *Device
[07:13] <spyked> ok - booting using vesa now
[07:13] <aroo> I just compiled 2.6.21.3 kernel and everything works perfectly except my NIC. "lspci" shows the ethernet controller but no interfaces show in knetworkmanager
[07:13] <spyked> hope this works -i have to eat soon lol
[07:14] <spyked> apetrescu: well, it KINDA works - my monitor is giving me the out of range error lol
[07:14] <apetrescu> aroo: wireless nic?
[07:14] <aroo> apetrescu, nope
[07:14] <apetrescu> Hm
[07:14] <Pollywog> how do I fix this?  shfsmount: shfs filesystem not supported by the kernel
[07:15] <ahmed> guys ,, would someone tel me what is cvs ? and why do cvs versions of appilcations have an exe file, for example i have just download dosbox cvs version its an exe file ,, how will it run on ubuntu ? how to execute it anyway ?
[07:15] <aroo> apetrescu, it works fine under the 2.6.20-generic kernel
[07:15] <apetrescu> !cvs
[07:15] <ubotu> cvs is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[07:15] <apetrescu> aroo, did it need a restricted driver? if so you may need to reinstall restricted-modules for your new kernel.
[07:16] <aroo> apetrescu, no restricted needed
[07:16] <spyked> apetrescu: i would guess the out of range error means the vesa is working - that's the same error i got BEFORE i started using more specific drivers for ati :)
[07:16] <apetrescu> Out of range error simply means you chose wrong HSync/Vsync rates for your monitor in xorg.conf
[07:16] <apetrescu> You can solve that easily by just checking your monitor's manual
[07:17] <spyked> oh crap
[07:17] <spyked> have no idea lol
[07:17] <DraxNS> spyked: type ati instead vesa in driver section
[07:17] <spyked> ok...
[07:17] <DraxNS> also that out of range means that you have crappy monitor ;-) that cant show picture card sends to it ;-)
[07:17] <aroo> How can I custom make my own eth0 interface?
[07:17] <spyked> oh - it's totally a cheap monitor lol
[07:18] <apetrescu> It doesn't neccesarily mean its "crappy" simply that you specified a frequency thats out of its range.
[07:18] <aroo> Maybe i can force it to use the pci device shown in "lspci"
[07:18] <DraxNS> so it shows :-)
[07:18] <DraxNS> apetrescu: I agree... just kidding with spyked
[07:18] <K-Ryan> Hey I'm trying to setup my fstab to be able to use my extra ext3 partition
[07:18] <spyked> hehe
[07:19] <spyked> booting...
[07:19] <K-Ryan> I don't know what to use for the mount point though
[07:19] <spyked> *sigh*
[07:19] <DraxNS> K-Ryan: create dir in /mnt
[07:19] <spyked> whoa
[07:19] <DraxNS> like /mnt/windrive
[07:19] <K-Ryan> I don't get it
[07:19] <spyked> the ati thingie worked DraxNS !!
[07:19] <spyked> thanks :)
[07:19] <DraxNS> ql
[07:19] <DraxNS> :-)
[07:20] <DraxNS> K-Ryan: mount point must exist before you use it
[07:20] <DraxNS> so CREATE one
[07:20] <spyked> ummm - wrong resolution - but it worked ;)
[07:20] <K-Ryan> Where and how?
[07:20] <DraxNS> mount point is directory
[07:20] <DraxNS> it is recommended to make it in /mnt
[07:20] <DraxNS> since it is static device
[07:21] <K-Ryan> Okay I'm in /mnt
[07:21] <DraxNS> so do sudo mkdir /mnt/windrive
[07:21] <K-Ryan> There's nothing in here though
[07:21] <DraxNS> of course.. that is fine
[07:21] <DraxNS> now
[07:21] <DraxNS> so do sudo mkdir /mnt/windrive
[07:21] <K-Ryan> Okay
[07:22] <ahmed> guys any one know how to install dosbox ?
[07:22] <K-Ryan> Actually
[07:22] <K-Ryan> Should I put it in my media folder with my other stuff?
[07:22] <K-Ryan> !dosbox
[07:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dosbox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:22] <K-Ryan> Worth a shot I guess..
[07:22] <DraxNS> K-Ryan: if it is external drive yes
[07:23] <pag> !info dosbox
[07:23] <ubotu> dosbox: A x86 emulator with Tandy/Herc/CGA/EGA/VGA/SVGA graphics, sound and DOS. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.65-1 (feisty), package size 506 kB, installed size 1388 kB
[07:23] <K-Ryan> It isn't but that's where my windows drives are
[07:23] <DraxNS> if it is internal partition.... /mnt is recommended.. not mandatory...
[07:23] <K-Ryan> Plus it would be nice to have it there
[07:23] <DraxNS> k-r
[07:23] <K-Ryan> Recommended why? Is there a reason behind it?
[07:23] <DraxNS> K-Ryan: you can add it to media...
[07:23] <K-Ryan> Not to be rebellious, but if it's going to cause errors I won't do it
[07:23] <DraxNS> K-Ryan: it will not make errors
[07:24] <K-Ryan> Okay, thanks ;)
[07:24] <ahmed> guys does any one know how to set dosbox to use full screen ?. when i press alt tab it switches to full screen but the window of the dosbox itself is in a small frame surrounded by a black screeen ...plz help
[07:24] <giovanni_> ue rega
[07:24] <underdog5004> ahmed, try clicking on the black part
[07:24] <juan278> how do you add permision for a program to access a file
[07:24] <underdog5004> !chmod | juan278
[07:24] <ubotu> juan278: The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[07:25] <ahmed> underdog5004, doesnt help
[07:25] <underdog5004> bummer
[07:25] <underdog5004> then I don't know, sorry
[07:25] <underdog5004> what's the precise problem?
[07:26] <ahmed> guys,,  when i set dosbox to use full screen ,, size doesnt change instead inreplaces everything around dosbox with a black color
[07:26] <K-Ryan> Alrighty, I did it
[07:26] <ahmed> i doesnt change the resolution itself of the dosbox program
[07:27] <Captain_Haddock> !wifi
[07:27] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:27] <K-Ryan> ahmed: You may want to try a dosbox chat if there's one
[07:27] <helfrezgama> ok this is a strange one, all of a sudden my mouse is auto double-clicking everything
[07:27] <juan278> thx but is it possible to let 1 program read a file without letting any others?
[07:27] <helfrezgama> tried modifying the click speed
[07:27] <ahmed> i guess not
[07:27] <ahmed> !dosbox
[07:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dosbox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:28] <helfrezgama> but every ither click is a double click
[07:28] <K-Ryan> ahmed: It's just that you are more likely to find someone who can help there than here.
[07:28] <K-Ryan> Just throwing it out there
[07:29] <vbgunz> I honestly believe the pdf printer is severely broken :( usually anything I want to print never only prints an error dialog :(
[07:29] <vbgunz> any suggestions?
[07:30] <stamen> can anybody help me to solve this -> http://rafb.net/p/HThr5731.html for GIMP
[07:30] <ahmed> guys when i run dosbox i get Exit to error: Could not set fullscreen video mode 1400x990-32: No video mode large enough for 1400x990
[07:30] <ahmed> plzz help
[07:31] <K-Ryan> You're xorg.conf doesn't support that resolution.
[07:31] <K-Ryan> *Your
[07:31] <ahmed> :S
[07:31] <ahmed> how and my desktop resolution is 1400X990 :S
[07:31] <ahmed> am afraid ur wrong kryan
[07:32] <K-Ryan> THen that's not it
[07:32] <K-Ryan> Dunno, that's all I've got
[07:32] <sid32>  how do you delete a locked directory?
[07:32] <Pollywog> stamen did you run 'apt-get build-dep gimp'?
[07:33] <stamen> no
[07:33] <stamen> now I will try
[07:33] <Pollywog> you should do that before you compile using a clean source tree
[07:34] <vbgunz> the pdf printer driver or what not is broken? any solutions for a better more stable driver or something?
[07:34] <sid32> anyone? I have a locked directoy and it wont delete.. help?
[07:34] <Pollywog> locked how?
[07:34] <cox377> can someone please confirm this is the command for opening a port for the iptables 'sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 45555 -j ACCEPT'>?
[07:35] <sid32> I was trying to make a dirve read/write with ntsf commands and editing the fstab file
[07:35] <stamen> Pollywog: I made it now, but didn't help, again the same error. I am compiling it from source
[07:35] <Pollywog> stamen rm -rf the old source
[07:35] <stamen> because in kubuntu they didn't update the source list
[07:35] <sid32> but it just created a directory (with an icon of a loc) with the name of the directoy
[07:36] <stamen> Pollywog: for glib
[07:36] <stamen> ?
[07:36] <Pollywog> I thought you said gimp
[07:36] <sid32> says I dont have permsion to edit it
[07:36] <stamen> Pollywog: yes GIMP
[07:36] <DraxNS> cox377: it should... open port 45555
[07:36] <Pollywog> remove the gimp source and use new source
[07:36] <K-Ryan> Hey guys I need to make a symlink for wine to use my hdb4
[07:36] <K-Ryan> What's a symlink and how do I make one?
[07:36] <stamen> Pollywog: ok, I will try
[07:37] <DraxNS> !symlink
[07:37] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[07:37] <Pollywog> sid32: are the permissions such that only root can access the directory?
[07:37] <cox377> DraxNS: however, when i run this command 'sudo nmap -p 45555 localhost' it tells me it's closed
[07:37] <DraxNS> symlink is like a link on web.... it says home.. but goes to local address
[07:37] <sid32> yes
[07:37] <Pollywog> or some other user
[07:37] <cox377> DraxNS: anyu ideas?
[07:37] <DraxNS> reload iptables
[07:38] <K-Ryan> Never mind, someone's helping.
[07:38] <K-Ryan> Thanks though
[07:38] <DraxNS> you have added new rule
[07:38] <Pollywog> and 'sudo rm -rf <directory>' does not work?
[07:38] <stamen> Pollywog: again the same
[07:39] <sid32> okay. got it
[07:39] <Pollywog> stamen are all your sources in /etc/apt/sources.list for the same release?
[07:39] <sid32> anyone have an ideas how to mount a ntfs with read/write
[07:39] <Pollywog> or are you mixing?
[07:39] <sid32> when you donthave windows install?
[07:39] <DraxNS> !ntfs3g
[07:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs3g - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:39] <SlimeyPete> !ntfs-3g
[07:39] <sid32> !ntfs3g
[07:39] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[07:39] <DraxNS> right :-)
[07:39] <cox377> DraxNS: do you know the command to do that off the top of your head?
[07:40] <smile> hi
[07:40] <smile> anyone knows how to make a video conference ?
[07:40] <DraxNS> well it should be /etc/init.d/iptables reload
[07:40] <DraxNS> with sudo
[07:40] <stamen> Pollywog: I have this on my source list ->http://rafb.net/p/Y4OD8J76.html
[07:40] <DraxNS> well it should be sudo /etc/init.d/iptables reload
[07:42] <sid32> i have the ntfs tool but I get an error
[07:42] <sid32> Volume is scheduled for check. Please boot into Windows TWICE,
[07:42] <sid32> DOn't have winodws installed
[07:42] <Pollywog> stamen did you remove the gimp source and 'apt-get source  gimp'  again?
[07:43] <smile> hi .. how can i make a video conference ?? any HOWTO plz !?
[07:43] <stamen> Pollywog: how to remove this source? with this command which you gave me now?
[07:43] <Pollywog> stamen you might try commenting out the two lines for backports then running 'apt-get update'
[07:43] <Pollywog> rm -rf gimp*
[07:43] <Pollywog> then sudo apt-get source gimp
[07:44] <Pollywog> and be sure you did 'sudo apt-get build-dep gimp'
[07:44] <Pollywog> before you compile again
[07:44] <stamen> Pollywog: ok I will try
[07:44] <K-Ryan> Umm
[07:44] <K-Ryan> I messed up my wine file
[07:46] <K-Ryan> I'll be back in a few minutes, I'm going to try and fix it myself.
[07:47] <ahmed>  guys when i run dosbox i get Exit to error: Could not set fullscreen video mode 1400x990-32: No video mode large enough for 1400x990
[07:47] <K-Ryan> ahmed: I think you just can't run dosbox at that res
[07:47] <DraxNS> try 1440*900
[07:47] <K-Ryan> Or that
[07:47] <DraxNS> and in 24 bit not 32
[07:48] <ahmed> will do so
[07:48] <ahmed> 1 min
[07:48] <stamen> Pollywog: when I write to get source, it downloaded the 2.2.13 version
[07:48] <DraxNS> anyone knows how to force frozen bubble to go widescreen & fullscreen?
[07:49] <stamen> Pollywog: I need 2.2.15
[07:49] <stamen> Pollywog: how to get it
[07:49] <makuseru> hi, during startup it my comp goves me some errors and boots me to a root term and i have to type in "stop" for it to put me to my login screen, it says check"/var/log/fsck/checkfs" for errors so i go there and it says "fsck.ext3: Unable to resolve 'UUID=e332afe5-b0bd-420b-8f0d-dfb3fffe875f'" what does that mean and how can i fix it?
[07:49] <DraxNS> I got is semi wide... but not full screen
[07:49] <Pollywog> well there is the source of your problem
[07:49] <Pollywog> where did you get 2.2.15?
[07:50] <Pollywog> did you get it from backports?
[07:50] <DraxNS> makuseru: what have you done with your drives? or fstab?
[07:50] <stamen> no, I get it from the web site gimp.org
[07:50] <DraxNS> fsck cant find drive
[07:50] <stamen> this is the newest version and it is stable
[07:50] <Pollywog> it might not compile on Feisty
[07:51] <stamen> why, the main problem is in glib versions
[07:51] <ahmed> ok k-ryan , draxns, it worked but the problem is still the same ,, the dosbox window itself remains the same size and it filles the empty space with a black color around dosbox
[07:51] <ahmed> know wat  i mean ???
[07:51] <DraxNS> yes...
[07:51] <ahmed> any suggestion ?
[07:51] <Pollywog> yes if you are brave you can try to get a newer glib
[07:51] <DraxNS> like me with frozen bubble :-)
[07:51] <Pollywog> but it might break your system
[07:51] <K-Ryan> The dosbox area just turns black you mean.
[07:52] <makuseru> DraxNS: it has to find the drive, im on it right now
[07:52] <K-Ryan> Never had that problem with anything before, hmmm
[07:52] <DraxNS> no.. it has some area of dosbox... and rest is black
[07:52] <Pollywog> try asking in #ubuntu
[07:52] <Pollywog> or #gimp if there is a #gimp
[07:52] <K-Ryan> Yeah the outside window, but where you would be running the dos stuff, that screen turns black right?
[07:52] <DraxNS> that I would not know...
[07:52] <stamen> Pollywog: I asked them but nobody talks there
[07:52] <ahmed> kryan
[07:53] <stamen> and pasted the link
[07:53] <smile> #conference
[07:53] <ahmed> GUYS,, dosbox runs fine but in a small area when try to switch in a full screen,, the size remains the same
[07:53] <ahmed> and fills the area around it with black color
[07:53] <stamen> glib wants to change variables
[07:53] <ahmed> but i can still see dox box
[07:53] <K-Ryan> OH!
[07:53] <ahmed> and work with it
[07:53] <Pollywog> stamen: you could try using pbuilder
[07:53] <ahmed> wat can i DOOOOOO :(
[07:53] <DraxNS> will removing UUID from fstab break things... anyone?
[07:53] <stamen> Pollywog: but I don't know how
[07:53] <K-Ryan> Ahaha I get it
[07:53] <Pollywog> k
[07:53] <K-Ryan> You can't o anything
[07:53] <K-Ryan> *do
[07:53] <ahmed> lol
[07:53] <K-Ryan> The game/file was meant to run at that resolution
[07:53] <ahmed> u mean all ppl run dosbox like that ??
[07:53] <DraxNS> yah...
[07:53] <K-Ryan> So it will only use that resolution.
[07:54] <ahmed> nahhh :SS:S
[07:54] <stamen> Pollywog: how to use it?
[07:54] <ahmed> i didnt launch any game yet
[07:54] <K-Ryan> You can try to change your screen size to fit it
[07:54] <ahmed> ::S OMG
[07:54] <DraxNS> it cant be done
[07:54] <K-Ryan> Maybe when you launch the game it will stretch
[07:54] <ahmed> u wnna convince me all ppl use dosbox at this size /?
[07:54] <ahmed> tried though
[07:54] <DraxNS> I have tried to force frozen bubble... no way
[07:54] <ahmed> doesnt stretch
[07:54] <K-Ryan> There must be a fit to screen option
[07:54] <Pollywog> stamen you will need to read some tutorials on pbuilder but I suggest asking in #gnome and #ubuntu forst
[07:54] <K-Ryan> Otherwise yes, they run it like that
[07:55] <K-Ryan> I know in Windows when I had dosbox alt+f4 did it
[07:55] <stamen> ok
[07:55] <DraxNS> on nvidia card you can stretch box... but cant get it to fill up whole screen
[07:55] <K-Ryan> Don't know about in Kubuntu
[07:55] <titanix88> DraxNS: what is ur prblm?
[07:55] <DraxNS> hmm which one ?
[07:55] <DraxNS> I have plenty :-)
[07:55] <ahmed> titanix88 its ma problem with the dosbox thingie lol..
[07:56] <ahmed> do u know any other dos emulators then ??
[07:56] <DraxNS> mine is with frozen bubble and 1440*900
[07:56] <hydan> where would the "restricted drivers manager" app be in the kde menu?
[07:56] <hydan> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[07:56] <DraxNS> it will not expand to whole screen... so my wife is unhappy
[07:57] <titanix88> DraxNS: try scummvm.
[07:57] <_adaptr> heheh
[07:58] <iarwain> hiya, anyone knows why amsn keeps crashing on feisty? this is what i get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22936/
[07:58] <K-Ryan> I broke wine -.-
[07:59] <iarwain> K-Ryan: how?
[07:59] <K-Ryan> Well I ended up deleting my .wine folder, so I tried to uninstall wine
[07:59] <K-Ryan> then sudo apt-get install wine
[07:59] <titanix88> DraxNS: It also come with two game:flight of the amazon qween and beneath a steel sky. but frozen bubble does not require dosbox! it was made for GNU/Linux. Maybe u r saying puzzle bubble.
[07:59] <K-Ryan> Except my .wine folder is empty now
[08:00] <iarwain> K-Ryan: try 'wineprefixcreate'
[08:00] <iarwain> K-Ryan: that will populate your .wine folder
[08:00] <K-Ryan> Thanks
[08:00] <titanix88> K-Ryan:run winecfg once. then it will be back.
[08:01] <K-Ryan> Okay now here's the where everything get's tricky, I'll be back in a minute.
[08:01] <iarwain> hiya, anyone knows why amsn keeps crashing on feisty? this is what i get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22936/
[08:01] <titanix88> K-Ryan:wellcome.
[08:01] <K-Ryan> Thanks titanix88 =P
[08:01] <DraxNS> titanix88: you have confused me with someone else... I do not need emulator... I need a way to force frozen bubble to work on 1440*900 in full screen
[08:02] <iarwain> DraxNS: probably a stupid question, but can you select 1440*900 in FB? and then select full screen?
[08:03] <titanix88> DraxNS: try to find frozen bubbles config file. it's usually in home folder with a dot(.) prefix
[08:03] <DraxNS> titanix88: tried that....
[08:04] <DraxNS> iarwain: there is no resolution option in frozen bubble.. just GFX detail ...
[08:04] <DraxNS> full or windowed... frozen bubble stays same size...
[08:04] <titanix88> DraxNS: Maybe because 1440*900 is not a standard resolution.
[08:04] <iarwain> DraxNS: didn't know, didn't play the game for long =)
[08:04] <DraxNS> titanix88: my thought exactly
[08:05] <DraxNS> I was wondering is there a way around it :-)
[08:05] <gr-cn> underdog and kane - i found in Bug #88431 in kde-guidance (Ubuntu) that You can delete ~/.kde/share/config/displayconfigrc as a temporary workaround for don't loose xorg settings every restart
[08:06] <titanix88> DraxNS: may be change ur resolution to 1280*1024
[08:06] <DraxNS> if not... oh well.... she will not play :-)
[08:06] <DraxNS> oddly enough.. it will not work....
[08:07] <DraxNS> I have 19" wide screen TFT... so it does not like non native resolution
[08:07] <zblach> when I'm compiling something from source, it asks me for the X libraries
[08:07] <zblach> what package are those?
[08:08] <Tm_T> what you're compiling?
[08:08] <anthony_> salut
[08:08] <Tm_T> !info xlibs-dev
[08:08] <ubotu> xlibs-dev: X Window System client library development files transitional package. In component main, is extra. Version 1:7.2-0ubuntu11 (feisty), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[08:08] <zblach> Tm_T: thanks
[08:09] <zblach> creating kmobiletools w/ gammu support
[08:09] <titanix88> ubotu: u r a bot!
[08:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about u r a bot! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:09] <gr-cn> underdof5004 i found in Bug #88431 in kde-guidance (Ubuntu) that You can delete ~/.kde/share/config/displayconfigrc as a temporary workaround for don't loose xorg settings every restart
[08:10] <titanix88> ubotu: see i told ya!
[08:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about see i told ya! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:10] <gr-cn> may helps someone else with same probl
[08:10] <Tm_T> zblach: say "sudo apt-get build-dep kmobiletools" and if apt-get finds kmobiletools, it will try to install all what is needed to build it
[08:11] <gr-cn> bye and tnx
[08:11] <zblach> Tm_T i'm building 5.0_beta2 from source. the repos only have 4.3
[08:11] <Tm_T> zblach: doesn't matter, build dependencies are "the same"
[08:11] <zblach> kk thanks
[08:12] <Tm_T> so you don't need to hunt them individually
[08:12] <zblach> yeep! 80+ meg to download
[08:15] <holycow> hey guys
[08:15] <holycow> shouldn't there be a kwrite app listed in the repos?
[08:15] <holycow> i have everything enabled but can't find it
[08:15] <holycow> weird
[08:15] <K-Ryan> There isn't one in there?
[08:15] <K-Ryan> Strange
[08:16] <holycow> totally
[08:16] <holycow> just kate
[08:16] <holycow> i'm on dapper but multiverse enabled
[08:16] <titanix88> holycow: kwrite comes bundled with kate(maybe)
[08:16] <zblach> isn't kwrite now part of the koffice packages/
[08:16] <zblach> ?
[08:16] <Tm_T> zblach: nope, kdebase
[08:16] <holycow> zblach, i have koffice installed bu ti don't see kwrite anywhere
[08:16] <zblach> my bad. kwrite != kword
[08:16] <holycow> alt/f2 and typing in kwrite doesn't show it as an option
[08:17] <mneisen> I have a problem with gnupg setup: after installing gnupg2 and gpg-agent, there is no config file in ~/.gnupg. On my other machine, there is one generated by apt. Is this a known strangeness?
[08:17] <holycow> ohhhh kword!
[08:17] <holycow> kate / kwrite / kword
[08:17] <holycow> my head is spinning
[08:17] <holycow> :)
[08:17] <Tm_T> Kate <3
[08:18] <MaTiAz> Tm_T: So true :)
[08:18] <titanix88> holycow: do u have kate?
[08:18] <holycow> titanix88, well i do now
[08:18] <holycow> btw
[08:18] <holycow> this pdf import dealie in kword
[08:18] <holycow> fan frickin tastic
[08:19] <MukiEX> A few questions : Is it possible to have a 64-bit kernel while using the 32-bit build of Ubuntu? I know that binary graphics card drivers feature their own mesa libraries. Will those work with 32-bit 3D apps?
[08:19] <titanix88> holycow: now try kwrite in terminal
[08:19] <Tm_T> MukiEX: not possible
[08:19] <holycow> workin!
[08:19] <holycow> danke
[08:19] <MukiEX> The first or the latter?
[08:20] <holycow> titanix88, indeedy you were right
[08:20] <MukiEX> Or both? I thought the 64-bit kernel was backwards compatible, but none of the libraries were.
[08:20] <titanix88> holycow: kwrite is low featured than kate. i use kate.
[08:21] <zblach> kate is a fantastic editor
[08:22] <K-Ryan> I like nano
[08:22] <strabes> i'm a bigger fan of nano and leafpad
[08:22] <zblach> nano is cool. i prefer vim.
[08:22] <strabes> too big of a learning curve for me =\
[08:22] <zblach> but kate just feel sleek
[08:22] <titanix88> why these days people use vim or emacs when they got kate?
[08:23] <Tm_T> titanix88: why not
[08:23] <holycow> the thing about nano is ther eis nothing to learn
[08:23] <MukiEX> titanix88 : some people really like 'em, or are used to them. On a notebook keyboard, nothing beats vim
[08:23] <holycow> the entire command structure is always visible on the bottom
[08:23] <K-Ryan> I like how it's terminal based.
[08:24] <Tm_T> anyway, this editor discussion can be handled in #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:24] <Tm_T> ;)
[08:25] <Lacrymology> excuse me, how do I install a theme once I've downloaded it?
[08:25] <Tm_T> depends what themes
[08:25] <MukiEX> Will there ever be better 64/32-bit integration in Ubuntu, or is it just not possible under Linux?
[08:25] <MukiEX> Or OS's in general? (even Vista seems to have a major problem there)
[08:25] <K-Ryan> Lacrymology: KDE Menu > System Settings > Appearance > Import theme
[08:26] <Tm_T> MukiEX: IIRC you can't run 32bit env reasonably with 64bit kernel, but I might be wrong here
[08:26] <Tm_T> MukiEX: though can't see what's the point even trying it
[08:26] <titanix88> Lacrymology:for gnome themes System-> preference->Theme-> install theme
[08:26] <MukiEX> The point'd mainly be using static compiles of the few 64-bit apps I'd use.
[08:27] <titanix88> Lacrymology:actually on ubuntu.
[08:27] <Lacrymology> titanix88, being this #kubuntu, I thought "KDE" was implied
[08:27] <MukiEX> Wine is really important for me, and in 64-bit land it doesn't work.
[08:27] <K-Ryan> Lacrymology: KDE Menu > System Settings > Appearance > Import theme
[08:27] <MukiEX> Well it does, but not for 32-bit win apps, which is like all of 'em :3
[08:27] <Tm_T> MukiEX: gaining pretty much nothing I assume, but as I said, no idea about it
[08:28] <fdoving> MukiEX: you can run a 32bit chroot in a 64bit environment.
[08:28] <Lacrymology> K-Ryan, I figured all the way to Appearance myself, but I can't find "import theme"
[08:28] <K-Ryan> It's a button at the bottom =P
[08:28] <MukiEX> Tm_T : Well, it's not important at the moment, it's mostly for the next rev of PCSX2. :3
[08:28] <MaTiAz> PCSX2 is impressive
[08:28] <titanix88> Lacrymology:how can u be sure? i am with gnome but using konversation & amarok. i have gnome.kde,xfce all 3.NObody restricts u to a name kubuntu.
[08:28] <K-Ryan> While in the colors tab
[08:28] <Tm_T> fdoving: well, it's not "32 bit ubuntu with 64bit kernel"
[08:29] <K-Ryan> titanix88: By default everyone in this channel uses KDE
[08:29] <Tm_T> but I quit from this matter, I have no idea what I'm talking about =)
[08:29] <K-Ryan> Unless stated otherwise, that's the way it is, don't discourage Lacrymology.
[08:29] <holycow> thanks guys!
[08:29] <Daisuke_Ido> titanix88: you.  it's only three letters.  it's not that hard to type.
[08:29] <fdoving> Tm_T: the 64bit kernel can run 32bit binaries.
[08:30] <Tm_T> fdoving: sure, but, bah, I should draw what I mean
[08:30] <Tm_T> so ignore me
[08:30] <titanix88> K-Ryan: i did not. i tried to help if s/he was like mine.
[08:31] <K-Ryan> Oh come on, if they were running Gnome don't you think they would of specified so?
[08:31] <K-Ryan> That's neither here nor there, Lacrymology, did you find it?
[08:31] <titanix88> Daisuke_ldo: i don;t get it :?
[08:32] <Lacrymology> K-Ryan, I still don't see it... there's "colors, fonts, etc. on the left, a "style" tag that seems promising but I don't see them.. and on the bottom just Help, Defaults, Reset and Apply
[08:32] <K-Ryan> Click colors
[08:32] <Lacrymology> import scheme?
[08:32] <K-Ryan> Err
[08:32] <K-Ryan> Yes...
[08:36] <Lacrymology> K-Ryan, still not what I was looking for.. apparently the theme I got needs something called kthememgr
[08:36] <K-Ryan> What's it a theme for?
[08:37] <rc-win-2-linux> Help Pls a newbie - can anyone tel me why I have an ath0 and a wifi0 with only 1 wireless card
[08:37] <Lacrymology> supposedly for KDE
[08:37] <K-Ryan> KDE as in desktop/windows/etc. right?
[08:38] <Lacrymology> vat?
[08:38] <Lacrymology> I mean what?
[08:38] <Lacrymology> yes
[08:38] <Lacrymology> looks
[08:38] <Lacrymology> for the manager, yes
[08:38] <Lacrymology> but it says Important Instructions: Deepspace.tar.gz goes in directory /usr/share/apps/kthememgr/Themes
[08:38] <Lacrymology> and there's no such dir
[08:43] <K-Ryan> Sorry, went afk for a minute there...
[08:43] <K-Ryan> You don't have kthememgr installed then
[08:43] <K-Ryan> !kthememgr
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kthememgr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <K-Ryan> !ktheme
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ktheme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <K-Ryan> !kthememanager
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kthememanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <K-Ryan> Damn..
[08:44] <Lennings> Hello! im trying to install cedega... But when i click the link that my m8 send me, the deb file opens in kaffeine! what is the orignal program to open deb files with?? thx!
[08:44] <K-Ryan> !cedega
[08:44] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[08:44] <Lennings> ...
[08:44] <K-Ryan> Kubuntu doesn't use deb files if I'm not mistaken
[08:45] <Lennings> What does that have to do with deb files?
[08:45] <Lennings> im using kubuntu 7.05
[08:45] <K-Ryan> It would tell you how to install cedega >.>
[08:45] <Lennings> 04
[08:45] <Lennings> ..
[08:45] <Lennings> I first need to ge the packatch?
[08:45] <Lennings> right?
[08:45] <K-Ryan> I don't know, check the link
[08:45] <crdlb> no the guide will cover everything
[08:45] <nosrednaekim> Lennings: "sudo dpkg -i <the location of the deb package>
[08:45] <Roey> hi
[08:45] <K-Ryan> Hi Roey
[08:45] <nosrednaekim> Roey: hi!
[08:46] <Roey> how do I zero-out my MBR?
[08:46] <Roey> hey nosrednaekim  :)
[08:46] <Roey> and K-Ryan
[08:46] <K-Ryan> MBR?
[08:46] <Roey> I installed Kubuntu to these two drives I have but I can't seem to not boot from them now (I have two other drives I normally boot off)
[08:46] <Roey> of
[08:46] <Roey> K-Ryan:  boot sector.
[08:46] <K-Ryan> Oh
[08:46] <peron> hi there :)
[08:46] <K-Ryan> Hi Peron
[08:46] <Roey> hey peron :)
[08:47] <peron> I have an Audigy 2 ZS soundcard
[08:47] <Lennings> nosrednaekim: it told me that it could not install something :
[08:47] <Lennings> S:
[08:47] <peron> it seems to be installed correctly
[08:47] <K-Ryan> Roey: Try pressing esc during boot up.
[08:47] <peron> but no tone is coming out :-/
[08:48] <peron> (no tone meaning: no tone in general, not just mp3 - mp3 support is installed)
[08:48] <Lacrymology> K-Ryan, I've used .deb packages every time ubuntu's repo is being silly about versions
[08:49] <aldin> what e-mail server is easiest to set up on kubuntu
[08:49] <peron> what may I do to hear sound again?
[08:49] <peron> :)
[08:49] <BluesKaj> hey gents ...had some errands to do ...how goes the partitioning K-Ryan ?
[08:49] <Roey> K-Ryan:  ok, and then what?
[08:49] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: I ended up just making another ext3 partition and linking it to my wine folder because that's what I need it for
[08:49] <Roey> K-Ryan:  I couldn't boot to a specific device, because it didn't accept any of the devices I fed it with boot= and root=
[08:50] <K-Ryan> Roey: Well that should open up GRUB letting you pick what you're booting up.
[08:50] <BluesKaj> IC , and it works ok ?
[08:50] <K-Ryan> Beyond that I'm not quite sure though, sorry =/
[08:50] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: Well I think so, I haven't tried a game out yet, but when I do I'll see.
[08:51] <heinkel_111> my printer suddenly started to ouput small pages, like 1/4 of A4 size rather than A4 size (pritned in the corner of the A4 page of course)
[08:51] <heinkel_111> why?
[08:52] <BluesKaj> well the sequence of partitions was different than most so it's a situation that can be fixed but it's gonna take some copying of files and redoing everything which means mucho-time and patience
[08:53] <Roey> K-Ryan:  I had a host of problems with that.
[08:53] <K-Ryan> With what?
[08:53] <Roey> K-Ryan:  I have a ti-4200, for example, and the restricted-manager package forces a download of the glx packages (instead of the glx-legacy, which is what applies to me).  It also hoses up my xorg.conf
[08:53] <BluesKaj> peron , have opened kmix and set it up ?
[08:54] <nosrednaekim> heinkel_111: what does your papaer settings say when you try to print? Nice airplane bTW, heinkel_111
[08:54] <peron> BluesKaj: yes
[08:54] <heinkel_111> :)
[08:54] <K-Ryan> Sorry Roey, you need someone else to help you from here on out =/
[08:54] <heinkel_111> it says: A4!
[08:54] <heinkel_111> nosrednaekim:
[08:54] <heinkel_111> ^^
[08:54] <jordi_> rawr
[08:54] <jordi_> moo
[08:54] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: Well my install of Steam worked, it was redirected to hdb4 instead of the actual .wine/drive_c/Program Files folder
[08:54] <jordi_> catpoop
[08:55] <nosrednaekim> heinkel_111: does it say something about pages to print per sheet?
[08:55] <K-Ryan> jordi_: Are you trying to say something?
[08:55] <Roey> K-Ryan:  ok, well thanks anyway :)
[08:55] <jordi_> no
[08:55] <heinkel_111> nosrednaekim: no
[08:56] <dettoaltrimenti> my sound isn't working- amarok and moc still work, but no sound comes out. I'm on a laptop with laptop speakers, the controller shows up in lspci, and the sound is turned up- what else can I do?
[08:56] <nosrednaekim> heinkel_111: what type of printer do you have?
[08:56] <heinkel_111> the only thing that looks strange is the resolution setting, maybe?
[08:56] <nosrednaekim> dettoaltrimenti: did you try headphones?
[08:56] <BluesKaj> ok peron, what about system settings /sound system/hardware/select audio device ?
[08:56] <heinkel_111> nosrednaekim: it is a canon i550. I run the recommended BJC-82000 drivers for it
[08:57] <heinkel_111> i think it must be the resoltuion setting, if that is too low, the page will be too small ?
[08:57] <nosrednaekim> heinkel_111: I don't think so.
[08:58] <peron> BluesKaj: choose automatically
[08:59] <heinkel_111> nosrednaekim: I think I have located the problem
[08:59] <nosrednaekim> heinkel_111: k, what is it?
[08:59] <BluesKaj> peron , choose advanced Linux archictecture
[08:59] <peron> k
[09:00] <peron> k
[09:00] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: peron: advanced linux SOUND architecture
[09:00] <peron> nosrednaekim: all clear ;)
[09:00] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, there's only one alsa
[09:01] <dettoaltrimenti_> nosrednaekim- yes, headphones don't work
[09:01] <nosrednaekim> ok..
[09:01] <heinkel_111> nosrednaekim: ahrg !*syntax error* had 4200 driver instead of 8200 *blush*
[09:01] <peron> BluesKaj: so far so good
[09:01] <heinkel_111> just tested and now it look right
[09:02] <heinkel_111> the resolution seems to be the difference, actually
[09:02] <nosrednaekim> heinkel_111: ok..cool
[09:02] <nosrednaekim> heinkel_111: really? never was for my HP
[09:03] <BluesKaj> ok peron, in the terminal : alsamixer ...make sure that master, pcm ,etc are unmuted use the 'm" to unmute any sliders that you may need
[09:03] <peron> hmm
[09:04] <peron> BluesKaj: the KDialog sounds work now :)
[09:04] <BluesKaj> use the arrow keys to navigate
[09:04] <peron> only amaroK won't ;)
[09:04] <nosrednaekim> dettoaltrimenti ok, whats your chipset?
[09:05] <BluesKaj> yes i know peron , are you trying to play mp3s in amarok ? ...cuz you'll need the mp3 plugin for that
[09:05] <peron> and Battle for wesnoth won't
[09:05] <peron> mp3 support should be installed
[09:06] <BluesKaj> games have their own probs which i'm not familiar with :(
[09:06] <nosrednaekim> peron: did you install mp3 support manually? in not, how was it installed?
[09:07] <peron> amaroK could not play ogg files
[09:07] <peron> but right now it is working
[09:07] <peron> funny
[09:07] <peron> BluesKaj: thanks :)
[09:07] <BluesKaj> np  peron :)
[09:09] <steven_> Hi, I've finally got nearly everything I'm interested in working on my laptop using Kubuntu 7.04 64 bit.  Lappy has a broadcom wireless card and I've heard that's never played well with Linux, any suggestions or pages I should look at?
[09:10] <nosrednaekim> steven_: ndiswrapper?
[09:11] <steven_> That's what I've heard.  When I was working with the flash and java plugins for firefox, buntu had pages that showed how to do so.  Any such pages for this step?  thx
[09:12] <BluesKaj> !wireless | steven_
[09:12] <ubotu> steven_: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:13] <steven_> hey thx a lot I'll go look.  Appreciate it.
[09:15] <_dac> when a wallet is open in the lower menu, what does that mean?
[09:15] <arpharazon> Hello, can you guys help me with Opera? I installed it but it won't run.
[09:15] <underdog5004> arpharazon, how did you install it?
[09:16] <nosrednaekim> _dac: it mens kwallet is open
[09:16] <Ruinah> Woo... day one of using KUbuntu on the lappy. Hope this thing doesn't fry itself. :)
[09:16] <arpharazon> "dpkg -i --force-architecture packagename.deb"
[09:16] <arpharazon> I downloaded the .deb from opera's web site.
[09:16] <titanix88> arpharazon: installed with wine?
[09:16] <nosrednaekim> ruinah: what do you mean?
[09:16] <underdog5004> arpharazon, what architecture are you on?
[09:16] <arpharazon> 64bit.
[09:16] <underdog5004> did you try to sudo apt-get install opera?
[09:16] <underdog5004> oh, gotcha
[09:16] <_dac> does it also mean others have access to same?
[09:17] <underdog5004> hmmm, no idea with 64bit systems...sorry
[09:17] <michael__> whats the password for printer settings?
[09:17] <nosrednaekim> _dac: no... other users can't see it.
[09:17] <michael__> my root password doesnt work for it
[09:17] <Ruinah> nosrednaekim: Just that I'm a total *nix newb, but lifelong WinDOS user, from DOS 3.3 on. That, and I'm using it on a crappy Thinkpad T43 Celeron.
[09:17] <arpharazon> I'm starting to think it's a good idea to just go with 32 bit.
[09:17] <underdog5004> arpharazon, I would
[09:17] <_dac> ok, menthanks...
[09:17] <nosrednaekim> ruinah: but is it running hot or something?
[09:18] <_dac> many thanks...
[09:18] <underdog5004> arpharazon, I just don't think that the benefit is big enough
[09:18] <underdog5004> but I don't need more than 4 gigs of RAM, etc...
[09:18] <_dac> have a nice day...
[09:18] <titanix88> arpharazon: 64 bit -> 32 bit .ur crazy.
[09:18] <Ruinah> nosrednaekim: Oh, I didn't mean that literally. Although it *does* run hot. Always has. But this thing made it to Iraq and back in one piece. I think it'll manage a bit longer. :)
[09:18] <nosrednaekim> arpharazon: actually i saw an article which benchmarked em both... no difference really
[09:19] <Ruinah> Now for my next trick, installing Beryl. lol
[09:19] <nosrednaekim> ruinah: bullet-proof or something?
[09:19] <K-Ryan> Beryl is actually an easy install
[09:19] <underdog5004> nosrednaekim, I think the only big difference is the amount of RAM that's addressable
[09:19] <nosrednaekim> underdog5004: yeah pretty much.
[09:19] <Ruinah> nos: lol, no, just managed to keep it away from the worst of the heat/dirt
[09:19] <underdog5004> arpharazon, feel free to ask me any 32 bit questions, lol
[09:20] <nosrednaekim> ruinah: and bullets I suppose
[09:20] <arpharazon> Ok... So I have two windowses on the same computer, how do I uninstall kubuntu and install 32 bit kubuntu without messing everything up?
[09:20] <Ruinah> Is adept the best thing for installing apps?
[09:20] <nosrednaekim> arpharazon: overwrite 64 with the 32 bit version
[09:20] <arpharazon> Speaking of which, things are already half messed up, I can't boot to one of my windowses.
[09:20] <underdog5004> arpharazon, just pop in the 32-bit (i386) cd and install
[09:20] <nosrednaekim> ruinah: I prefer synaptic, but its probably just me
[09:20] <arpharazon> ok.
[09:21] <Ruinah> nosrednaekim: Heh, yeah, well, I was a total FOBbit, so the worst I saw was the occasional rocket/mortor flying over the wall.
[09:21] <arpharazon> Any tips about sorting the windowses out?
[09:21] <nosrednaekim> ruinah: ah ok.
[09:21] <underdog5004> arpharazon, I would erase, personally
[09:21] <underdog5004> lol
[09:21] <underdog5004> what do you mean, sorting them out?
[09:21] <Ruinah> Don't see synaptic. Do I need to do something to install it?
[09:21] <arpharazon> Well, yeah, but then my parents would kill me.
[09:21] <BluesKaj> arpharazon, which windows ?
[09:21] <underdog5004> Ruinah, sudo apt-get install synaptic
[09:22] <arpharazon> I used to have two windows XPs installed on their own partitions.
[09:22] <Ruinah> I'm using Fiesty Fawn intel flavor
[09:22] <arpharazon> I picked which one to boot with XP's own loader.
[09:22] <underdog5004> arpharazon, do you want to keep them for later?
[09:22] <nosrednaekim> ruinah: yeah you can install it in adept
[09:22] <arpharazon> Yes I do.
[09:23] <Ruinah> nosrednaekim: So, how's it better/different?
[09:23] <underdog5004> arpharazon, hmm, do a guided partitioning in the install...
[09:24] <nosrednaekim> ruinah: well for me here on dial-up, its winning feature is the ability to make download scripts
[09:24] <underdog5004> and make sure to leave the ntfs/fat partitions alone
[09:24] <arpharazon> A what?
[09:24] <arpharazon> I mean I do remember an option along those lines, but....
[09:24] <underdog5004> arpharazon, when you're running the installer, when it asks where to install, it'll give you options
[09:24] <Ruinah> nosrednaekim: Ah. I'm using my wireless which is connected to my horribly unstable DSL modem.
[09:24] <underdog5004> one of them is  manual partition editing...you want that.
[09:24] <Lacrymology> is iptables built into the kernel by default? if not, how do I do this?
[09:25] <arpharazon> ok
[09:25] <Ruinah> nosrednaekim: Do you use any type of trillian-type app?
[09:25] <titanix88> Lacrymology: installed ur theme?
[09:25] <nosrednaekim> ruinah: instant messaging? yes.. I use GAIM
[09:26] <Lacrymology> titanix88, no, not really, but I have some real work to get done, so I'll just wait until I have a working INternet connection at home and play there
[09:26] <Ruinah> nosrednaekim: Ah. Does that have all the bells & whistles of the host clients?
[09:26] <titanix88> Ruinah: what about konversation and kopete?
[09:27] <Ruinah> titanix88: I'm using konversation right now. Didn't know it did IM as well. kopete, I'm having some trouble with.
[09:28] <nosrednaekim> ruinah: yeah.. pretty much
[09:28] <Ruinah> I managed to connect to my yahoo acct with kopete, but couldn't figure out how to add my other accts afterwards.
[09:28] <nosrednaekim> ruinah: I don't really like kopete, GAIM is easier to use IMHO
[09:29] <Ruinah> So Gaim, it is. First time I heard that name, though, it sounded like the mutant child of AIM and Gator, to me. *shudder*
[09:30] <titanix88> Ruinah: kopete: configure-> Accounts press new button
[09:30] <dogatemycomputer> Ruinah: if you want to add another account to Kopete then click SETTINGS from the pulldown then CONFIGURE which should bring pu the menu then ACCOUNTS on the left hand side.  Once you click on ACCOUNTS you should see NEW appear on the right which allows you to add a new account.
[09:30] <Ruinah> dammit, that was too simple...
[09:30] <Ruinah> titanix88: Thanks
[09:31] <nosrednaekim> ruinah: actually now its called Pidgin (confilict with AOL)
[09:31] <Ruinah> gaim is now pidgin?
[09:31] <apetrescu> Correct
[09:31] <apetrescu> www.pidgin.im
[09:31] <Ruinah> When'd that happen?
[09:31] <apetrescu> About a month ago
[09:31] <underdog5004> aol started rumbling at them
[09:32] <apetrescu> After several months of legal talks with AOL that weren't revealed to the public until very recently
[09:32] <dwidmann> hmm, can't say I didn't see that coming
[09:32] <nosrednaekim> I actually like pidgin better..lol
[09:32] <apetrescu> 's a good name :D
[09:32] <marko> i update my sistem
[09:32] <marko> and now some apps dont work
[09:32] <nosrednaekim> marko: which ones?
[09:33] <marko> konqueror cant open folders
[09:33] <dogatemycomputer> I still think its kinda silly for AOL to care.  Then again..  I guess they don't get the advertising revenue from the ads if someone is using their servers with a different client.
[09:33] <underdog5004> true
[09:33] <marko> its says "unsuported protocol file"
[09:33] <dwidmann> (and without the ads)
[09:33] <nosrednaekim> dogatemycomputer: thats the idea
[09:33] <apetrescu> dogatemycomputer: AOL didn't stop Gaim from functioning the way it did. They ONLY had a problem with the name
[09:33] <titanix88> marko: strange!!!
[09:33] <dogatemycomputer> apetrescu: that's why I thought it was strange.
[09:33] <marko> i would restart kde
[09:33] <apetrescu> Repeat: the functionality of Gaim (including AIM connections) are 100% still in Pidgin
[09:33] <krauz0> hi all
[09:33] <marko> but i'm runing apt-get
[09:34] <dogatemycomputer> apetrescu: I think they should open the standard and allow any third party app to use their servers provided they pass along their ads.
[09:34] <nosrednaekim> marko: if the update is still in sprogress... wait till its finished to see if anything is still broken
[09:34] <marko> pidgin is only rebranded
[09:34] <dwidmann> marko, sounds like you need to make doubly sure all of kdebase and friends are installed
[09:34] <apetrescu> dogatemycomputer: They sort of do. They make no effort to prevent Gaimfrom connecting to their servers, even without ads
[09:34] <apetrescu> The name is all they care about, because it is so similar to Aim
[09:34] <apetrescu> There is no functionality difference *at all* except for the name.
[09:34] <titanix88> marco: press ctrl+C . next u give the same command & it will resume
[09:34] <dogatemycomputer> apetrescu: oh.. I know.. but do you remember back in the day when AIM used to try adjusting their protocols every couple of days to prevent people from connecting with third party clients?
[09:34] <apetrescu> AOL isn't really being all evil and standards-closing in this case.
[09:35] <marko> nosrednaekim i'm not updating, i'm downloading apps
[09:35] <nosrednaekim> marko: oh.. ok
[09:35] <nosrednaekim> dogatemycomputer: yep I remember that.
[09:35] <apetrescu> dogatemycomputer: I don't really remember that, no. I'm pretty young. But it seems to have stopped now judging by the huge number of 3rd-party clients.
[09:35] <marko> if i kill apt now
[09:35] <dogatemycomputer> nosrednaekim: I fear someone at AOL will start that process all over again.
[09:35] <marko> when i start to install the same programs
[09:36] <nosrednaekim> dogatemycomputer: everybody will go to google talk then... AOL can't afford that
[09:36] <marko> apt will start again to download
[09:36] <titanix88> marko: no problem.half dloads will be tthere for u next time
[09:36] <marko> or it will continue
[09:36] <dwidmann> nosrednaekim: not everybody, I wouldn't
[09:36] <apetrescu> I find that hugely unlikely. The value of AIM is proportional to the size of their userbase. Sacrificing a significant portion of it for a few extra ad clicks is stupid, even from a purely profit-centered view
[09:36] <nosrednaekim> dwidmann: oh... you one of those google haters?
[09:36] <titanix88> marko: it continues.
[09:36] <dwidmann> nosrednaekim: all it is is Jabber anyway ..
[09:37] <nosrednaekim> dwidmann: yeah I know, but does joe sixpack know that?
[09:37] <dwidmann> nosrednaekim: depends if joe sixpack did his homework or not
[09:37] <apetrescu> Why does it even matter if it's Jabber? To anyone, including "joe sixpack"?
[09:37] <nosrednaekim> dwidmann: would he be joe sixpack if he did his homework?
[09:37] <dogatemycomputer> apetrescu: well.. those servers cost alot of money and the support team costs money too.  I just think they should write a standard, require ads be passed alone ot the consumer then let the third party developers handle all the client development.  Think about all the cool stuff they could do with the clients if AOL just worked with the developers to add functionality.
[09:38] <dwidmann> nosrednaekim: No, he'd be Dr. Joe Sixpack :P
[09:38] <marko> now its ok
[09:38] <nosrednaekim> dwidmann: that was a VERY funny image
[09:38] <dogatemycomputer> apetrescu: (I should note i'm not an AOL lover.. i'm still pissed that I can't use shoutcast with linux although i've found some good alternatives so i'm less angry now..)
[09:39] <Ruinah> nosrednaekim: Would probably look like House, but stupid.
[09:39] <apetrescu> dogatemycomputer: You would really trade Gaim/Pidgin's ad-free-ness in return for some help in implementing obscure parts of the protocol?
[09:39] <nosrednaekim> ruinah: you mean of course *stupider*
[09:39] <Ruinah> Hey, does gaim or kopete support webcam/voice features?
[09:39] <dogatemycomputer> apetrescu: well.. i'm saying they could add value from a business perspective to clients willing to provide ads (although theoretically you could allow non-ad versions with just basic chat functionality)..
[09:40] <apetrescu> I think a lack of effort on AOL's part to make Pidgin's life harder is "good enough" a contribution from them
[09:40] <nosrednaekim> ruinah: Kopete does support video I think
[09:40] <apetrescu> Ruinah: Kopete does, not Gaim/Pidgin yet.
[09:40] <nosrednaekim> don't think either support voice
[09:40] <apetrescu> Though its in the owrks
[09:40] <apetrescu> *works
[09:40] <apetrescu> dogatemycomputer: There already is an official AIM client for Linux if you want to use all the features and don't mind the ads.
[09:41] <apetrescu> Why not just use that?
[09:41] <aroo> How can I stop adept updater from notifying me of updates?
[09:41] <Ruinah> Odd. I always thought the KDE programs were slimmer on features than most other apps.
[09:41] <nosrednaekim> apetrescu: there is?
[09:41] <paNppa> Hi
[09:41] <apetrescu> nosrednaekim: Yeah!
[09:41] <nosrednaekim> ruinah: no way!
[09:41] <dogatemycomputer> apetrescu: because I don't want to load a seperate client just for AIM.  Its one of the things I appreciate from kopete.
[09:41] <dogatemycomputer> apetrescu: plus.. i don't think their client is written well enough for linux.
[09:41] <nosrednaekim> apetrescu: cool...mostly I just want gtalk for linux
[09:42] <titanix88> Ruinah:what is gtalk?
[09:42] <nosrednaekim> titanix88: Gmail's jabber server
[09:42] <Ruinah> nosrednaekim: Probably just my own perception, wouldn't be the first time I was totally off-base about something like that.
[09:42] <dogatemycomputer> apetrescu: hence my thought that if the open source development was given full access to the protocol information in exchange for passing ads through.. then I think it would be a good trade-off for the extra functionality (assuming the ads aren't intrusive).  I'm not socialist here.
[09:42] <titanix88> nosrednaekim: what is gtalk?
[09:42] <apetrescu> nosrednaekim: Yeah, I think all that functionality will be coming to Pidgin soon; it's probably why Sean Egan got hired at Google
[09:43] <Lennings> !cedega
[09:43] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[09:43] <Ruinah> titanix88: Yeah, don't ask me anything linux-related. I'm the newb here. :)
[09:43] <nosrednaekim> titanix88: its Googles jabber server
[09:43] <nosrednaekim> as well as their client
[09:43] <apetrescu> dogatemycomputer: I see; I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not even sure if it would qualify as fully
[09:43] <apetrescu> "free" software if AOL was deciding ad content on it
[09:43] <apetrescu> Besides, the developers seem to be doing okay reverse-engineering it anyway :)
[09:44] <titanix88> cedega rides free on free software. don;t use it.
[09:44] <Ruinah> Hey, how can I access my data on my NTFS partition in KUbuntu?
[09:44] <aroo> How can I stop adept updater from notifying me of updates?
[09:44] <dogatemycomputer> apetrescu: well..  consider they could go back to the days of demanding everyone use their client..  there are still some linux users who would be forced to load it up for various reasons.
[09:44] <nosrednaekim> ruinah: you should just be able to read it... but not write
[09:45] <Ruinah> nosrednaekim: So, if I used some app like WINE or that cedega, I can access my copy of WoW from my NTFS partition?
[09:45] <dogatemycomputer> apetrescu: I mean.. it is AOL's servers and large amounts of bandwidth.. we're using for free.  I mean.. do you really believe they should give everything away for free?  (AOL is a bad example because of the amount of money they make)
[09:45] <dwidmann> dogatemycomputer: ewww, I'd make it a point not to. I could convince enough of my friends to switch to something else :)
[09:46] <nosrednaekim> ruinah: no actually you'll have to copy it to .wine
[09:46] <apetrescu> dogatemycomputer: They could, I guess, but like I said earlier, AIM is only as valuable as the quantity of users it has on their networks. If they alienate all Linux users (an increasingly large market segment), they not only lose those users, but also hurt the experience for all users who relied talking to those users. Watch all the Linux users move to MSN or Yahoo, and all the Linux users' friends have a good reason to migrate also.
[09:46] <mneisen> I have a problem with gnupg setup: after installing gnupg2 and gpg-agent, there is no config file in ~/.gnupg. On my other machine, there is one generated by apt. Is this a known strangeness?
[09:46] <apetrescu> Which is why it probably will not happen anymore.
[09:46] <apetrescu> dogatemycomputer: I think AIM is like a loss leader for AOL. I don't think they really make *that* much money from ad clicks on AIM, its just a way to lead people to other AOL services.
[09:47] <dogatemycomputer> apetrescu: dwidmann: well.. that kind of attitude is the reason why companies like ABC, CNN and the BBC refuse to provide content to linux users..
[09:47] <oldwest> Hello - Anyone have a suggestion for Linux/ogg compatible MP3 player they like?
[09:47] <Lennings> Hello, i think i need some help... I use kubuntu 7.04 and im trying to install cedega i downloaded from my m8's server... The two files i downloaded was cedega small 6.0.deb and the update.deb.... How do i install these deb files?
[09:47] <apetrescu> What kind of attitude?
[09:47] <dogatemycomputer> apetrescu: dwidmann:   I just think our holier-than-thou attitude is what causes us so many problems.
[09:47] <rc-win-2-linux> what is the difference between wifi0 and ath0 ???
[09:47] <apetrescu> The "software should be free" attitude? That's the whole crux of it.
[09:47] <cntb> oldwest, amarok
[09:47] <apetrescu> You take that away and we're just a bunch of guys writing code.
[09:47] <titanix88> oldwest: every player in GNU/linux is ogg compatible.
[09:48] <dogatemycomputer> apetrescu: but the severs should be too? and the bandwith? the maintenace costs?
[09:48] <Lennings> Is this a support channel?
[09:48] <titanix88> oldwest: i like amarok
[09:48] <Lennings>  Hello, i think i need some help... I use kubuntu 7.04 and im trying to install cedega i downloaded from my m8's server... The two files i downloaded was cedega small 6.0.deb and the update.deb.... How do i install these deb files?
[09:48] <apetrescu> I absolutely think the insistence that software remain free (libre) is important. If it costs us easy compatibility with some products, so be it.
[09:48] <forcerain> oldwest: just use MP3 format
[09:48] <oldwest> cnttb - i mean an actual standalone device you can carry around that will plug-in via usb port - etc
[09:49] <forcerain> oldwest: it's still Free software that encodes/decodes MP3s
[09:49] <nosrednaekim> oldwest: if you are talking protable... Archos's are awesome
[09:49] <argonel> is it just me, or should kmail not open a new composer window with every keypress?
[09:49] <oldwest> archos?
[09:49] <apetrescu> dogatemycomputer: It's certainly their perogative to do their best to deny us access to their servers, but they haven't, which is nice of them. Why? Because it adds value to their product, indirectly.
[09:49] <Lennings> Is this a support channel or a chat room? -.-
[09:49] <oldwest> that's portable player?
[09:49] <titanix88> oldwest: try foobar(freeware but not foss)
[09:49] <mhb> hi folks, do you know of a good console text-editor with source-code autocompletion?
[09:49] <Ruinah> Lennings: It's IRC. :)
[09:49] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: did you have a question?
[09:49] <Lennings> Hello, i think i need some help... I use kubuntu 7.04 and im trying to install cedega i downloaded from my m8's server... The two files i downloaded was cedega small 6.0.deb and the update.deb.... How do i install these deb files?
[09:49] <rc-win-2-linux> Lennings - try add/remove
[09:49] <mhb> in Kubuntu, of course
[09:49] <nosrednaekim> oldwest: yes.
[09:50] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: what was your question?
[09:50] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Hello, i think i need some help... I use kubuntu 7.04 and im trying to install cedega i downloaded from my m8's server... The two files i downloaded was cedega small 6.0.deb and the update.deb.... How do i install these deb files?
[09:50] <titanix88> Lennings: right click on them and select install.
[09:50] <nosrednaekim> Lennings: "sudo dpkg -i <your files?"
[09:50] <Lennings> IM new.
[09:50] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: if you can see them from the desktop, for example, then right click on them and use the KDE installer..
[09:51] <oldwest> nosrednaekim - thx - i was also looking at a one called  - Cowon - iAudo G3 thats looks good too...
[09:51] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: i know, but i get like a error message... W8 let me get it for you
[09:51] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: it should prompt for the sudo password if you haven't entered it recently.  If you need something more specific then we'll be happy to help.
[09:51] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer:
[09:51] <Lennings> dpkg-deb: `/home/kim/cedega-small6.0.deb' is not a debian format archive
[09:51] <Lennings> dpkg: error processing /home/kim/cedega-small6.0.deb (--install):
[09:51] <Lennings>  subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[09:51] <Lennings> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:51] <Lennings>  /home/kim/cedega-small6.0.deb
[09:51] <Lennings> Press <enter> to exit...
[09:52] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: now that looks like a corrupt file was downloaded.   You may really want to delete those files and try downloading them again.
[09:52] <nosrednaekim> Lennings: bad .deb
[09:52] <forcerain> Lennings: dpkg --force-all
[09:52] <Lennings> forcerain: whats that?
[09:52] <forcerain> or extract it inside Ark or file-roller
[09:52] <forcerain> forces the install
[09:53] <titanix88> Lennings: don't force.
[09:53] <Ahmuck>  !dvd
[09:53] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[09:53] <forcerain> put the name of the deb file after that
[09:53] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: <OR> you may need to make sure you prefix the installation command with "sudo" if you're doing it from the command line although that should produce a permissions error rather than a bad format error.
[09:53] <Lennings> The problem is... when i click the link right on... kaffeine pops up :S and trys to open deb files... So i have to click save as and choose a new name!
[09:53] <rc-win-2-linux> can you help with my wireless issue? Anyone?
[09:53] <Ruinah> Hey, I just noticed konver doesn't display @ or + next to anyone's nicks. How do I correct this?
[09:54] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer:  The problem is... when i click the link right on... kaffeine pops up :S and trys to open deb files... So i have to click save as and choose a new name!
[09:54] <rc-win-2-linux> i keep getting something about resolf.conf
[09:54] <dogatemycomputer> hey guys/gals.. would you mind helping Lennings?  I need to run out for a bit..
[09:54] <forcerain> rc-win-2-linux: nano /etc/resolv.con
[09:54] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: smoker :P
[09:54] <forcerain> resolv.conf
[09:55] <forcerain> sorry .conf not .con
[09:55] <forcerain> lol
[09:55] <rc-win-2-linux> yes
[09:55] <titanix88> Lennings: right click
[09:55] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: you may need to de-associate .deb files with kaffine (which i'm not sure how that happened)..
[09:55] <forcerain> tell me what's in there rc-win-2-linux
[09:55] <forcerain> use nano to view it
[09:55] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: my girlfriend is bothering me.  She wants food and apparently its my job to drive today. :P
[09:55] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: haha! you got powned
[09:55] <rc-win-2-linux> forcerain - nameserver 196.x.x.x 2 of them
[09:55] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: yeah.. you know it..
[09:55] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Anyway... What program is the orignal to open deb files with?
[09:56] <rc-win-2-linux> do I need a domain? forcerain
[09:56] <forcerain> rc-win-2-linux: that's the IP of your router in there right?
[09:56] <mneisen> I have a problem with gnupg setup: after installing gnupg2 and gpg-agent, there is no config file in ~/.gnupg. On my other machine, there is one generated by apt. Is this a known strangeness?
[09:56] <forcerain> rc-win-2-linux: nope
[09:56] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Go feat the chick first :P
[09:56] <oldwest> titanix - u still here? is there a debian download for this player?
[09:56] <forcerain> are they the IPs of your router rc-win-2-linux?
[09:56] <rc-win-2-linux> forcerain yes and a dns server i normally use
[09:56] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: there are a few..  I think KDE has its own installer and there is a debian installation manager you can use..
[09:56] <forcerain> rc-win-2-linux: then it's fine
[09:56] <forcerain> add a few more DNS servers if you know of any
[09:57] <forcerain> like 212.74.112.66 and 212.74.112.67
[09:57] <phpcode> i having problems getting sound when i play a .ogg file, I can hear .mp3 files... help?
[09:57] <forcerain> (I know those off by heart.. crappy Tiscali UK ones :P)
[09:57] <rc-win-2-linux> is that the only thing it does? forcerain
[09:57] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: i should be able to save as.... right?
[09:57] <rc-win-2-linux> forcerain only dns?
[09:57] <forcerain> rc-win-2-linux: and it can search your local stuff with a search directive
[09:57] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: I usually save the file to the desktop then go to the command line and "sudo dpkg -i <your files?"
[09:57] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: That way i can shoose open with
[09:57] <forcerain> rc-win-2-linux: it's for resolving IPs and things basically yeah
[09:58] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: let me see if its osmething I can choose from the KDE manager..
[09:58] <Lennings> Dogatemycomputer: i cant save it.. couse when i click kaffeine comes up.
[09:58] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: and saveas corrups the file...
[09:58] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: i think :P
[09:58] <titanix88> oldwest: i suggested it for windows as u don't find GNU/linux box everywhere. by the way portable player for linux is not possible because first: linux apps use shared libary.second: they won't run on winbox
[09:59] <rc-win-2-linux> forcerain so if i have my router and one of the main internet provider it shouldn't give errors?
[09:59] <forcerain> it should be fine
[09:59] <forcerain> unless the ISP's DNS servers are down
[09:59] <forcerain> which happens to me quite a bit
[09:59] <titanix88> oldwest: again every linux dist comes with at least one ogg player . so u don't need foobar.
[10:00] <nosrednaekim> titanix88: he's talking PORTABLE PLAYER Ipod like..
[10:00] <rc-win-2-linux> forcerain- I'm using the same laptop now, just in win
[10:00] <hakaisou> !quicktime
[10:00] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:00] <forcerain> rc-win-2-linux: works in win but not in lin?
[10:00] <oldwest> titanix - i know - i use amrok - what would like is a portable mp3/ogg player that is strickly liunx based
[10:00] <rc-win-2-linux> forcerain- it's my damn wireless in ubuntu that's not working
[10:00] <rc-win-2-linux> forcerain- yes
[10:01] <Lacrymology> does anyone know if is iptables built into the kernel by default? if not, how do I do this?
[10:01] <forcerain> what wireless stuff is it?
[10:01] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: that doesn't suprise me..  well..  download the file anyway and try to save it to your desktop, then right click and OPEN WITH then choose SYSTEM -> CONFIGURATION -> INSTALL SOFTWARE
[10:01] <forcerain> maybe the card needs to use NDISWrapper or something like that
[10:01] <titanix88> oldwest: do u have an ipod? there is alinux os for ipod.
[10:01] <rc-win-2-linux> forcerain- atheros ar5005g
[10:01] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: the next time you try to download the DEB file kaffine shouldn't popup..
[10:01] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: although.. i'm not positive of that.. i'm still a newbie :P
[10:01] <oldwest> titanix - nope - just a sandisk
[10:02] <nosrednaekim> titanix88: I think he's talking about getting linux to recognize his player,
[10:02] <rc-win-2-linux> forcerain- it's working fine I think
[10:02] <nosrednaekim> oldwest: does it work with Linux?
[10:02] <titanix88> oldwest: i thaught amarok or rythmbox can do that?
[10:02] <oldwest> nosrednaaekim - no - no software support
[10:02] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: the only other thing I can think of is that your browser (firefox maybe?) is handling associations incorrectly and you could try to use kde's browser just for this download to see if that helps.
[10:02] <rc-win-2-linux> forcerain- when i ping the static ip it works fine
[10:03] <forcerain> hmmm
[10:03] <forcerain> is the router DNS working
[10:03] <rc-win-2-linux> forcerain- i just cant connect to my AP
[10:03] <forcerain> ah
[10:03] <titanix88> oldwest: try www.ipodlinux.org
[10:03] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Hmm... one sec
[10:04] <forcerain> hmm I don't know what to say to help then
[10:04] <rc-win-2-linux> forcerain- :(
[10:04] <forcerain> resolv.conf is associated with DNS pretty much
[10:05] <Ruinah> Okay, oddball question, if anyone knows: I'm using a Logitech G7 mouse, and whenever I hit the "back" button on the thumbside of the mouse, Konqueror pops up a dialog box asking to do a google search of some text from the clipboard. wtf?
[10:05] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Em... I only got to system? :P i have no configure thing there
[10:06] <oldwest> nosrednaekim - titanix - I will pickup a Cowan iAudio G3 when they become available - they support ogg & wma & mp3.
[10:06] <titanix88> Runiah: u have to configure ur keyboard bindings.
[10:06] <oldwest> thx anyway
[10:06] <Ruinah> titanix88: Where do I do that?
[10:06] <titanix88> oldwest: good choice.
[10:07] <oldwest> titanix88 - thx - heard david yates talking about it on his podcast  - lotta-linux-links
[10:08] <Lennings> I get this error message trying to install cedega6.0.deb Whats my problem?
[10:08] <Lennings> dpkg-deb: `/home/kim/Desktop/cedega-small_6.0_all.deb' is not a debian format archive
[10:08] <Lennings> dpkg: error processing /home/kim/Desktop/cedega-small_6.0_all.deb (--install):
[10:08] <Lennings>  subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[10:08] <Lennings> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:08] <Lennings>  /home/kim/Desktop/cedega-small_6.0_all.deb
[10:08] <Lennings> Press <enter> to exit...
[10:08] <ubuntu__> hello
[10:09] <titanix88> Runiah: kcontrolcenter->regional&acces.->keyboard shortcuts
[10:10] <ubuntu_> hola
[10:10] <ubuntu_> xD
[10:11] <Marcolino> hola como va?
[10:11] <titanix88> ubuntu_: vola
[10:11] <Marcolino> q raro que halla gente q habla espaniol je
[10:11] <Marcolino> en el de ubuntu no hay nadie
[10:11] <Marcolino> todos hablan ingles
[10:11] <Sanne> !es | Marcolino
[10:11] <ubotu> Marcolino: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:12] <Ruinah> titanix88: Okay, not seeing kcontrolcenter. What folder is that under? What's the command to execute it?
[10:12] <LaloxD> jejeje
[10:12] <LaloxD> bien bien  :P
[10:12] <LaloxD> aki tratando de instalar el Ubuntu 7.04
[10:12] <Marcolino> que grande el bot ese
[10:12] <Marcolino> q pasa la lo?
[10:12] <titanix88> Runiah: in terminal "kcontrol" ;)
[10:13] <Ruinah> titanix88: Ooo... thanks. :)
[10:13] <LaloxD> pues que hace 3 horas q lo trato de instalar
[10:13] <LaloxD> y sigue instalando
[10:13] <LaloxD> es normal que tarde tanto ?
[10:13] <Dekkard> no
[10:14] <LaloxD> pues al menos creo q mi pc no es lenta es una p4 de 2.52 Ghz con ram de 256 ddr
[10:14] <titanix88> Lennings: u don't have to left click(or r click if ur left handed) right(or opposite)click & select install.
[10:14] <Dekkard> !es |aloxD
[10:14] <ubotu> aloxD: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:16] <titanix88> Ruinah: ur prblm solved?
[10:16] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: still there?
[10:16] <Ruinah> titanix88: Not yet, gotta figure out how to change the shortcut.
[10:16] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: yes
[10:16] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Still problems
[10:17] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Em... i did not find any system configuration thing
[10:17] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: so you right click on the file on your desktop, click OPEN WITH, choose OTHER which should bring up a menu.. right?
[10:17] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: just want to make sure you've gotten that far..
[10:17] <titanix88> Lennings: why always dog ate ur computer?
[10:18] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Yes. thats right... i was here before
[10:18] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: i got my kmenu here..
[10:19] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: okay.. from there you receive the OPEN WITH menu?
[10:19] <oldwest> Anyone know of a site that has good tutorial on how to install on a - tar.gz archive on kubuntu ?
[10:19] <titanix88> Lennings: perhaps u could"sudo aptitude inastall gdebi" it's a nice installer.
[10:19] <titanix88> Lennings: perhaps u could"sudo aptitude install gdebi" it's a nice installer.
[10:19] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: huh? Im at the open with other
[10:20] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: okay.. do you see SYSTEM in the list?
[10:20] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: I dont think this is the problem you know -.- i already have the kubuntu install menu in my right clivk
[10:20] <Nuked> id like to pose a question... im running feisty 64 bit, and Id like to install azureus... should I install the gcj version
[10:20] <Nuked> ?
[10:20] <titanix88> oldwest: tar.gz binary or sourcs?
[10:20] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: I thought you said downloading the file was causing kaffine to automatically launch the file rather than saving it properly?
[10:20] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: I can just rclick the deb file and press kubuntu packatch menu
[10:21] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Yes... That happends when i click the link... but i tryd to right click the link and pressed save as... But i tought this corrupted the file
[10:21] <titanix88> Nuked:gcj version means?
[10:22] <forcerain> gcj is the Java compiler part of GCC
[10:22] <Nuked> compiled with java-gcj as opposed to the normal java
[10:22] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Ive posted the error message i get here several times... But i dont get any help :P
[10:22] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: it shouldn't..  if you right click and SAVE AS then save it to your desktop.. that should work.  You indicated before that kaffine was intercepting the download which is why I was trying to help you reassociate it.
[10:22] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: yes i know, but i wanted to fix that too.. :P
[10:23] <titanix88> Nuked: just"sudo aptitude install azureus" worked for me
[10:23] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: right click on the file, save as, put it on your desktop, right click on the file and choose install it..
[10:23] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: yes... but i get an error message.
[10:23] <Nuked> titanix88, you use 64 bit?
[10:23] <oldwest> titanix88 not sure - found  rythmbox download that is a tar.gz file but sure if it's a debian install or what yet?
[10:23] <oldwest> not sure
[10:23] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: hence our decision to reassociate DEB files with the installer rather than kaffine?  unless i'm missing something..
[10:23] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer:
[10:24] <Lennings> dpkg-deb: `/home/kim/Desktop/cedega-small_6.0_all.deb' is not a debian format archive
[10:24] <Lennings> dpkg: error processing /home/kim/Desktop/cedega-small_6.0_all.deb (--install):
[10:24] <Lennings>  subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[10:24] <Lennings> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:24] <Lennings>  /home/kim/Desktop/cedega-small_6.0_all.deb
[10:24] <Lennings> Press <enter> to exit...
[10:24] <oldwest> titanix88 - will download file and check it out .....
[10:24] <titanix88> oldwst: no need to install frm .gz
[10:24] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: that particular error indicates the file is corrupt and you need to download it again.. or the file stored on the server that you are downloading is corrupt and in that caes Cedega would need to correct it.
[10:24] <Lennings> Dogatemycomputer: We can fix that later :P Now i just wanna get cedega working
[10:24] <oldwest> ok
[10:25] <Nuked> thanks
[10:25] <Lennings> Dogatemycomputer: Hmm..
[10:25] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: in either case.. something is wrong with the file..
[10:25] <titanix88> Nuked: no, but should have worked the same way.
[10:25] <Lennings> Dogatemycomputer: Well, how do i get cedega free then? :P
[10:25] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: either way.. "`/home/kim/Desktop/cedega-small_6.0_all.deb' is not a debian format archive
[10:25] <Lennings> Dogatemycomputer: It costs right?
[10:26] <titanix88> Lennings: cedega costs!!
[10:26] <Lennings> Dogatemycomputer: GAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!
[10:26] <Lennings> Dogatemycomputer: You wont belive this crap -.-
[10:26] <titanix88> Lennings: monthly 10$ subscription.
[10:26] <forcerain> WARNING: This is very bad!  *cough* thepiratebay.org *cough* for cedega *cough*
[10:27] <forcerain> :P
[10:27] <Lennings> Dogatemycomputer: Em, the files i saved as... Got saved as a document -.-
[10:27] <forcerain> and Cedega sucks
[10:27] <Dekkard> what is it?
[10:27] <forcerain> WINE handles most things if not more just as well if not better
[10:27] <titanix88> forcrain: or WINE.
[10:27] <forcerain> Dekkard: WINE but for games
[10:27] <Dekkard> ahh
[10:27] <Dekkard> get a console
[10:27] <Lennings> forcerain: :O The Pirate Bay!!! Thats illigal you know! just like copying a cd! CD BURNING IS A CRIME!!!!!!!
[10:27] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: what are you trying to play using Cedega?  just out of curiousity?
[10:27] <forcerain> titanix88: what I just said heheeh
[10:27] <titanix88> forcerain: or WINE.
[10:27] <hitmanWilly> Cedega's not bad for the officialy supported games, but anything else is a crap shoot
[10:28] <neverblue> MTGO in Cedega bites
[10:28] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: im bored with diablo 2... and i wanna try something new, so i downloaded san andreas.
[10:28] <dogatemycomputer> forcerain: you're not implying he should download a pirated and potentially spyware/virus infected copy from PirateBay.. are you?  *gasp*(
[10:29] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: have you checked with Wine's application database to see if it works with Wine instead?  Wine is free.
[10:29] <oldwest> titanix88 - just opened  rythmbox.tar.gz - way beyond me right now - ha ha - you know of a debian install somewhere - looks like a pretty kool player
[10:29] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: i was gonna say: linux virus? HAHA! then i rememberd... That cedega is only for linux -.-
[10:29] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: No, where is there database.
[10:29] <titanix88> dogatemycomputer: how can u be sure transgaming is not handing u a backdoor for 10$ monthly?
[10:30] <forcerain> dogatemycomputer: it's where I get my 98SE DLLs for WINE from.. but it's legal to do that since 98SE is fully discontinued and can now be 100% legally used even in a copied form without a proper license so it doesn't count :(
[10:30] <forcerain> dogatemycomputer: besides Cedega is spyware anyway I bet! :P
[10:30] <oldwest> titanix88 - is this  rythmbox just a backend interface or standalone player like amarok?
[10:30] <Dekkard> no
[10:30] <Dekkard> its a gnome player like itunes
[10:31] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: http://appdb.winehq.org/
[10:31] <Dekkard> i think it requires gtk
[10:31] <oldwest> oh ok - not running gnome right now - just kubuntu - kde
[10:31] <Lennings> Im gonna see infected mushroom live the 12 july. :D
[10:31] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: ty
[10:31] <Dekkard> oldwest than install amarok or juk
[10:31] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: if its in the database then try "sude apt-get install wine" from the command line..
[10:31] <titanix88> oldwest:they use 'frameworks' amarok uses "xine" by default and rythmbox "gstreamer"
[10:32] <marko> oldwest better run native kde apps
[10:32] <oldwest> currently using amarok it's a nice player -
[10:32] <marko> but i also recomend
[10:32] <oldwest> ok - thx bunch
[10:32] <marko> to test rhytmbox
[10:32] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: no... i cant find gta.
[10:32] <marko> to see how its like for you :)
[10:32] <titanix88> oldwest:"sudo aptitude install rythmbox"
[10:32] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: I already have wine.
[10:33] <raymond> any one have any idea how to get a Sound Blaster Audigy NX working
[10:33] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: what version of GTA?
[10:33] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Version? em vice city i guess :P
[10:33] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: go to the Search bar on the left hand side (about halfway down the page) and enter "GRAND" and click SEARCH
[10:33] <titanix88> Lennings: wine is not for latest games. u will have to pay for cedega.
[10:33] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Already done that
[10:34] <oldwest> thx titanix88
[10:34] <Lennings> titanix88: no, im no fag..
[10:34] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: you'll get a whole list of games with GRAND in it.
[10:34] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=2599
[10:34] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: is that what you're looking for?
[10:34] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: firefox said: 1 match
[10:35] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: or http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=1369
[10:35] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings:  I found a whole list..
[10:35] <titanix88> Lennings: then if u didn't dload from pyratebay ur money got scrapped for the gmae.
[10:35] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: san andreas is okey but...
[10:35] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Piratebay ofc... Why buy something these days.
[10:36] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: it looks like Vice City works fine..
[10:36] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: I would never suggest pirating anything except music and movies.
[10:36] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Oh yeah? nice :)
[10:37] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Im not afraid... Im not using windows.
[10:37] <forcerain> Lennings: someone has to give the RIAA their cut! :P
[10:37] <dogatemycomputer> here is the link.. it looks like Vice City has a Platinum rating.. and should work great..
[10:37] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=1369
[10:37] <Lennings> ty
[10:37] <titanix88> doatemycomputer: u support REDMOND but not WARNER BROS !??
[10:37] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: if it works for you then go to Wine's website and make sure you review it..
[10:38] <dogatemycomputer> titanix88: i'm not sure where you came to that conclusion.
[10:38] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: ofc!
[10:38] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Hehe :P nice
[10:38] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Now i just have to w8 and see if the crack shit works...
[10:38] <Lennings> Hehe... I just have to tell you guys one more time: Im goin to see Infected mushroom! Yeah!
[10:38] <Lennings> Sry
[10:38] <dogatemycomputer> titanix88: The Copyright Act specifically states that companies conviced of monopolistic activity forfeit all rights, patients and copyrights under the law so you are more than welcome to pirate microsoft products.
[10:39] <dogatemycomputer> titanix88: I fail to see how pirating Cedega's work is productive when Wine will work nicely.
[10:39] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Im gotta use wine.
[10:39] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: gonna
[10:40] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: If it works... I did not know that before.
[10:40] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: I would also encourage you to buy the game if you havne't already.
[10:40] <titanix88> dogatemycomputer: cause they rided free on WINE couple of years ago.
[10:40] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: I had vice city once for play station 2... But its sold now... So ive supported rockstar games
[10:40] <dogatemycomputer> titanix88: well... hence my suggestion to use WIne instead of Cedega.  He never asked my opinion about Cedega.. he only needed help fixing a problem installing a DEB package.
[10:41] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: in that case.. go for it.. glad I could help!
[10:41] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: I realy dont see why i should pay for it again when i bought it 2 years ago already
[10:41] <hitmanWilly> titanix88: and the stuff they got from wine is still covered under the gpl in the form of winex
[10:41] <titanix88> dogatemycomputer: do u know cedega is a wine fork & they refused to contribute back to wine project?
[10:41] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Hehe :P Thx for the help!
[10:42] <dogatemycomputer> titanix88: i'm not sure why you're bringing this to my attention?  I have never used, bought, supported or otherwise became involved in the Cedega project.
[10:42] <hitmanWilly> titanix88: its just the stuff they developed on their own that's proprietary, i don't like it but that's their right...evil tho it is
[10:42] <dogatemycomputer> titanix88: now.. you may want to direct your comments to Lennings who apparently bought a subscription ;)  I think he's seen the light though..
[10:42] <titanix88> dogatemycomputer: then why pirate music & video not cedega?
[10:43] <Lennings> What time have you got guys? 22:41 here in sweden!
[10:43] <Lennings> Tired yet?
[10:43] <titanix88> Lennings: 2:43AM in Bangladesh
[10:43] <Lennings> I hate chockers -.-
[10:43] <dogatemycomputer> titanix88: i'm *generally* against pirating software and i'm not exactly thrilled with the idea of getting it from a public source like Pirate Bay.  I'm sure if he asked then someone here (or even someone in the community) may be willing to part with a copy.
[10:44] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: 1:44pm here in Phoenix.
[10:44] <titanix88> bye go to sleep
[10:44] <Lennings> titanix88: i just reallized... i have to go to school some time this year, i dont know where bangladesh is xD...Terminal  Google earth
[10:45] <hitmanWilly> Lennings: its in SE Asia iirc
[10:45] <titanix88> Lennings:it's surrounded three sides by INDIA
[10:45] <hitmanWilly> well, i was kinda close :)
[10:46] <Lennings> titanix88: okey
[10:46] <Lennings> Haha
[10:46] <dogatemycomputer> i'm a fan of India..
[10:46] <dogatemycomputer> one of those few countries in the world that actually avoids war..
[10:46] <Lennings> Dogatemycomputer: im a fan of israel! i did not think that any good band could come out of there...
[10:46] <titanix88> Lennings:i'm in chittagong. Find me here :)
[10:47] <Lennings> titanix88: i was just thinking the same thing :P sec
[10:47] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Hehe, sweden hasent been in war for about 200 years you know :P Be my fan ;)
[10:47] <dogatemycomputer> pakistan is always fucking with India.. and India keeps responding, "we have better things to do than to mess with you guys".
[10:48] <PriceChild> !offtopic
[10:48] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:48] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: well.. sweden has everyone's money.. easier to avoid a war when they could just confiscate everyone's cash.. ;)
[10:48] <raymond> any one know how to configure a sound blaster audigy NX
[10:48] <dogatemycomputer> PriceChild: sorry..
[10:48] <titanix88> dogatemycomputer:my country also avoids war.Only if it had a reasonable army...;)
[10:48] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: You're right
[10:48] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: You're righ
[10:48] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: oops
[10:49] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: I hate sweden, i wanna move to los angeles or something
[10:49] <viktor> dogatemycomputer: i think you think of switzerland
[10:50] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: Whatever that means.
[10:50] <titanix88> Lennings: found me?
[10:50] <hitmanWilly> Lennings: no you don't, trust me :)
[10:50] <Lennings> titanix88: Em... Im above town right now... Where are you! jump around
[10:51] <hitmanWilly> lol
[10:51] <hitmanWilly> i don't think google earth works like that :P
[10:51] <Lennings> No shit? xD
[10:51] <titanix88> lennings: try to find chittagong stadium. thats the biggest notable close thing.
[10:51] <raymond> !sound config
[10:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sound config - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:52] <raymond> !sound
[10:52] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:52] <Lennings> Hitmanwilly: I actuly saw a dead guy onse... i have the co-ords if u want
[10:52] <Lennings> titanix88: i can see humans... -.-
[10:52] <Lennings> titanix88: Why would i look for a big thing
[10:52] <hitmanWilly> Lennings: not unless they've retasked some spy satellites without me knowing :)
[10:53] <Lennings> Hitmanwilly: ?
[10:53] <Lennings> Hitmanwilly: I promise you..
[10:53] <hitmanWilly> Lennings: sorry, lagged for a minute there...
[10:53] <titanix88> Lennings: cause that's the only way i can track down my home, let alone u.. :P
[10:53] <Lennings> Hitmanwilly: You can see one dead guy, a chick looking at the sky...
[10:53] <hitmanWilly> cool
[10:54] <Lennings> Hitmanwilly: w8 dude
[10:54] <Lennings> titanix88: w8 dude
[10:54] <titanix88> Lennings: :)
[10:55] <Lennings> Found it!
[10:55] <Lennings> Sec... screenshot coming up... dont go to bed guys!
[10:56] <raymond> if i have multiple audio devices how do i switch output from one to another
[10:56] <raymond> ?
[10:56] <BluesKaj> audio devices ?
[10:56] <BluesKaj> virtual or actual hardware ?
[10:57] <raymond> im currently using my onboard sound and i want to switch it to my external sound blaster
[10:57] <BluesKaj> external , you mean separate pci card , right ?
[10:58] <raymond> no it is a USB sound card
[10:58] <raymond> feisty detects it but i dont know how to switch output to it
[10:59] <Lennings> Guys! stay tune!
[11:00] <Barberousse> K->System settings->Sound System->Hardware ?
[11:00] <MartyMcFly> how do I switch sound from my sound card to my usb headset?
[11:00] <titanix88> Lennings:  2221'43.60"N  9150'33.41"E this my home
[11:00] <Lennings> heheh
[11:00] <Lennings> sec
[11:00] <BluesKaj> raymond, maker sure tyour line in is enabled in alsamixer and dmixer
[11:00] <Lennings> dead guy coming up xD
[11:00] <Lennings> or can you take the co ords?
[11:01] <BluesKaj> and unmuted
[11:01] <titanix88> Lennings:goodbye.going to sleep.
[11:01] <Lennings> no noob :P
[11:01] <Lennings> u have to see this guy
[11:02] <Lennings> just lieign in the sand but anyway
[11:02] <Lennings> bastard
[11:03] <PriceChild> !ohmy | Lennings
[11:03] <ubotu> Lennings: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:03] <Lennings> Sorry pricechild.
[11:03] <Lennings> Buttlicking*
[11:03] <PriceChild> !ops
[11:03] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[11:04] <niles> gaim isnt working
[11:04] <niles> the buddy list is not populating
[11:04] <Barberousse> /qui
[11:05] <niles> yea
[11:06] <raymond> urg i cant find a way to switch audio to the external card.
[11:06] <raymond> tried changing device to it in kmix and that didnt work
[11:07] <raymond> there is no soecific device selection in system settings
[11:07] <MartyMcFly> raymond: I have the same problem :(
[11:07] <raymond> it would be one thing if the system didnt see it at all
[11:08] <raymond> but it sees it and wont let me use it
[11:08] <MartyMcFly> same here
[11:08] <d0uglas> hi ppl.. what's the name of that reverse-engineered itunes app that lets you buy songs quasi-legitly?
[11:08] <raymond> and of course my stupid dell has no BIOS option to disable onboard sound
[11:11] <raymond> any one know what would happen if i just deleted my onboard audio's /dev file? would the system switch to the next audio device?
[11:11] <MartyMcFly> raymond: I've done it!
[11:11] <MartyMcFly> here you go:
[11:11] <MartyMcFly> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=499520
[11:12] <MartyMcFly> look at the second post
[11:12] <raymond> excellent
[11:12] <raymond> i shall try that
[11:12] <raymond> better than going around deleting /dev/ files
[11:13] <raymond> and now for a reboot
[11:16] <raymond> ah the pleasing melodies coming from my sound blaster and cerwin vegas
[11:16] <raymond> pure bliss
[11:17] <raymond> now for shell scripts to bounce back and forth
[11:19] <gregubu> trying to get the KTorrent web ui working.  I get the login page but everytime i log in, it spits me back to the login page.  any ideas?
[11:19] <gregubu> i have already verified my php exec. path is valid
[11:20] <raymond> azureus keeps crashing on me. anyone know if it is a bug? i see it is one for the Windows version but i dont know about linux
[11:22] <angasule> java: cross-platform bugs
[11:25] <jotace> Holas
[11:25] <angasule> !es
[11:25] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:32] <loran> HELP i upgraded my kernal and now my system does not boot (I'm using LILO). It says "/bin/sh: cant access tty; job control turned off
[11:33] <niles> hi
[11:38] <josef> hallo kubuntu comunity
[11:38] <Sanne> hello josef
[11:39] <hitmanWilly> howdy, josef
[11:39] <loran> anyone have any experience with kernal upgrades gone BAD?
[11:40] <hitmanWilly> loran: what happeneds?
[11:40] <loran> normal start
[11:40] <loran> until
[11:41] <loran> it brings me to an initramfs saying that tty job control is off
[11:41] <adaptr> loran you've hit the dreaded 20-16 upgrade :)
[11:41] <josef> downloaded yesterday feisty after i used ubuntu dapper for longer time and i'am verry pleased of it congratulation to the team
[11:41] <adaptr> loran it means the UUIDs were screwed up
[11:42] <loran> ok how do i fix this
[11:42] <adaptr> loran you can do the following: in the grub menu, pick one and hit 'e' to edit it, then delect the kernel line and hit 'e' again to edit that
[11:42] <loran> I use lilo
[11:42] <adaptr> oh
[11:42] <adaptr> any particular reason ?
[11:43] <loran> yes actually grub gave me an error when it was first installed but what should I have typed in in grub
[11:43] <hitmanWilly> loran: oh goody...i think i remember something about that...
[11:43] <zibrah3ed> lilo needs to updated after kernel installs
[11:43] <adaptr> anyhoo, the odd thing is that it did the same for me, and my problem was that it screwed up the UUID of the root partition
[11:43] <loran> that would make sense I couldn't access or mount it
[11:44] <adaptr> so just edit the boot loader line, you can add parameters at the end in lilo
[11:44] <adaptr> and add root=/dev/whateveritis, hopefully it'll override the UUID one
[11:44] <loran> where should I add that, to my default entry?
[11:44] <adaptr> or maybe the new (and improved) kernel switched your IDE and SATA devices around ?
[11:45] <adaptr> erm.. you can't boot, so there's nothing to edit
[11:45] <loran> I have IDe
[11:45] <loran> actually i can enter rescue mode on the install cd
[11:45] <adaptr> I haven't used LILO in years
[11:45] <adaptr> yes, that's true -= well, if there is a working menu, edit the desired entry to correct the device
[11:46] <hitmanWilly> loran: that's it right there...lilo uses /dev entries vice grub's hd() ones, and all ide drives are sd now
[11:46] <loran> I have these vmlinuz.old and initrd.img.old should I do anything with them?
[11:47] <spark_> hi all
[11:47] <adaptr> no, the upgrade will have screwed up ALL entries
[11:47] <adaptr> you can't boot from previous versions either
[11:47] <loran> ok
[11:47] <adaptr> just correct the boot entries and you're back in
[11:47] <maryen> hi
[11:47] <adaptr> ho
[11:48] <loran> I'll enter a live cd mount my root fs and try it. Thanks a lot
[11:48] <maryen> Any info on when the GLX drivers will be updated to match the kernel update?
[11:48] <raymond> can java 5 and java 6 be installed at the same time? and is Java 6 why azureus keeps crashing on me?
[11:48] <hitmanWilly> loran: try swapping your /hda (or whatever) for /sda,b, etc...
[11:49] <loran> @hitmandWilly My entries are the sda but I'll see if they changed thanks
[11:49] <hitmanWilly> ahhh, lilo, takes me back to my slackware days...
[11:49] <adaptr> loran if your entries "are the sda" then you do NOT have IDE drives
[11:50] <adaptr> but I'm tired of lilo.. it's incapable as hell
[11:50] <hitmanWilly> thats why i use grub now :P
[11:50] <angrykeyboarder> raymond: Use KTorrent instead. :)
[11:51] <loran> ok well I'll try it out. Thank you for your help :)
[11:51] <raymond> adaptr:that is not true. some laptops that have removable drive bays have ide devices which show up as sd*
[11:51] <angrykeyboarder> It's an excellent program.
[11:52] <adaptr> raymond then they are not true ide devices internally
[11:52] <raymond> will try that then. java takes so long to install and download
[11:52] <zibrah3ed> my ide hd in a compaq evo n600c show up as sd
[11:52] <hitmanWilly> ok, does the new kernel have some kind of /dev entry emulation? cuz i can still access /hda....
[11:52] <raymond> adaptr: they are physically though
[11:53] <angasule> I have a 'wired ethernet connection' icon in the taskbar (just installed feisty), and I switched to offline mode... isn't that supposed to bring down the interface? 'cause it didn't.
[11:53] <adaptr> raymond sure, but many early SATA drives were just IDE drives with different interfaces, too
[11:53] <adaptr> angasule run ifconfig -a to see what it actually did
[11:53] <raymond> hitmanWilly: they are probably simlinked so people who dont know that their ide drive shows up as sda doesnt accidentally nuke their disk
[11:53] <raymond> adaptr:this is true
[11:53] <zibrah3ed> This hd is 7 years old way before sata it is a TRUE ide drive
[11:53] <spark_>  hi everyone. i want to use gaim-remote to send a message like " i'm listening to [current amarok song] " to a user in my contact list. it works great with msn. does anyone know whats the exact syntax for icq users?
[11:53] <hitmanWilly> figurred as much...
[11:53] <adaptr> spark_ this facility does not exist in ICQ
[11:54] <innernaut> got a quick question for you
[11:54] <adaptr> for who ?
[11:54] <innernaut> anyone who could help
[11:54] <innernaut> :)
[11:54] <joakim> Hi does some know how to change size of the picture in Konversation chat program?
[11:54] <Pollywog> is there a way to move ext3 partitions nondestructively?
[11:54] <spark_> uh this sucks. :(  why adaptr?
[11:55] <adaptr> spark_ go to Israel, ask Mirabilis
[11:55] <joakim> look in the menus but couldent find any option for it
[11:55] <spark_> ^^
[11:55] <adaptr> Pollywog define "move"
[11:55] <adaptr> joakim you're pretty funny
[11:55] <spark_> is there any other way to send current music messages via gaim? as kopete does
[11:55] <Pollywog> to take the emplty space behind the part and put it in front
[11:55] <joakim> how so..? can you help?
[11:55] <innernaut> ok.. I just diabled my on-board sound and installed an old SB Live card... so that I can utilize my surround sound...  Now.. the card works, as I am listening to music as we speak in amarok... but none of the system sounds work...
[11:55] <adaptr> innernaut I take it it's not coming ? have a nice day, then
[11:56] <innernaut> any ideas?
[11:56] <adaptr> !sound
[11:56] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:56] <Pollywog> !move
[11:56] <adaptr> second link
[11:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about move - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:56] <innernaut> thanks!
[11:56] <hitmanWilly> innernaut: you may also want to disable the onboard sound in the bios
[11:57] <adaptr> that's what he did
[11:57] <Pollywog> I don't think Mirabilis runs ICQ anymore
[11:57] <adaptr> Pollywog they still develop it, but they sold out to yoohoo years ago
[11:57] <Pollywog> AOL
[11:58] <Pollywog> AOL not Yahoo
[11:58] <adaptr> whatever, one of the big losers
[11:58] <angasule> adaptr: this line: inet addr:192.168.1.3  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[11:58] <angasule> adaptr: vanished when I switched to offline mode, shouldn't that bring down all the connections?
[11:58] <hitmanWilly> oh, ok...should probably read the WHOLE post rather than just skimming it :P
[11:58] <Pollywog> Losers: MS, AOL, Yahoo, and maybe Google?
[11:58] <adaptr> angrykeyboarder define "bring down" - what did you expect to happen ?
[11:58] <joakim> hepl...how to change size of frends picture in Konversation? someone
[11:58] <adaptr> Pollywog there are basically only two software companies that do the web, and that's MS and Google
[11:59] <adaptr> Pollywog all the others are on their way out
[11:59] <Pollywog> ahh
[11:59] <adaptr> joakim there are no pictures in Konversation, since it's an IRC client
[11:59] <joakim> oh..ops I mean Kopete
[11:59] <adaptr> pictures on IRC... heh. what will they think of next
[11:59] <adaptr> well, that's still no excuse
[12:00] <adaptr> go back to Wintendo!
[12:00] <Pollywog> Most of us are not that photogenic anyway
[12:00] <hitmanWilly> adaptr: actually, some clients support avatars now :)
[12:00] <joakim> ok I understand
[12:00] <joakim> but for this program then..Kopete
[12:00] <adaptr> hitmanWilly yes, xchat supports xface, I know.. it's still blah
[12:00] <adaptr> and not "now" either - it has done for years
[12:00] <adaptr> (xface was developed for xchat)
[12:01] <hitmanWilly> news to me, should probably climb out of my irssi hole more often
[12:01] <adaptr> angasule what did you expect to happen when you did that ?
[12:01] <hitmanWilly> just ran into it trying out kvirc :P
[12:02] <adaptr> hitmanWilly oh by all means stay - if you can do the console, you'll be happier in any case
[12:02] <angasule> adaptr: when I did what? switch to offline mode? I did it earlier and I could still chat on IRC...
[12:02] <adaptr> angasule and netstat showed you ....?
[12:02] <angasule> adaptr: for some reason my outbound traffic to port 80 isn't working
[12:02] <angasule> adaptr: I'm trying to figure out if it's kubuntu, the modem or satanic influences
[12:02] <adaptr> well, if you disabled networking, I can see how that could happen, yes
[12:03] <angasule> adaptr: if I disabled networking /nothing/ should work
[12:03] <adaptr> angasule then start with the basics of network troubleshooting
[12:03] <adaptr> enable it, run netstat -tp, disable it, run it again
[12:03] <angasule> adaptr: I am, I just don't know where to get a thousand monkeys at this hour
[12:03] <adaptr> and note the changes
[12:03] <adaptr> angasule what do you need 1000 copies for ?
[12:04] <adaptr> angasule and no, you're not - you'd have to know what it is first...
[12:04] <innernaut> no luck with the links
[12:04] <innernaut> hmm... it is something silly...
[12:04] <innernaut> all sound works but system sounds...
[12:05] <raymond> where do i configure the xine engine in Amarok. because i set my system to use my external sound card but amarok is still using the internal
[12:05] <innernaut> raymond:  settings - conigure amarok - engine
[12:06] <raymond> there is no option there to change the device that xine uses
[12:09] <raymond> fixed it
[12:09] <raymond> forgot my external card was using alsa