[02:25] <jjesse> good evening, is there a way through launchpad to set who can be  allowed to uplaod to my bzr branch of documenation?
[02:26] <spiv> jjesse: teams can own branches as well as individuals
[02:27] <jjesse> spiv: so if i'm the "owner" does that mena that i'm the only one that can commit to it? is that how it is setup by default?
[02:27] <spiv> jjesse: so if you create (or already have) a team for the people who should be able to upload to the branch, and you reassign the branch to be owned by that team, everyone in that team can write to it.
[02:27] <spiv> So the push URL would become sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~TEAM/...
[02:28] <jjesse> but if i am the current owner then i'm the only one who can?
[02:28] <spiv> Right.
[02:28] <spiv> It's the owner that controls who can write to a branch.
[02:28] <jjesse> aweosme i understand now
[02:28] <jjesse> thanks for the hlep
[02:29] <spiv> You're welcome.
[04:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[04:00] <jjesse> good evening mpt
[04:00] <Hobbsee> mpt!!!
[04:03] <mpt> Someone's excited
[04:04] <Hobbsee> mpt: should they not be?
[04:05] <mpt> Sure, if there's a reason :-)
[04:05] <Hobbsee> mpt: more people to talk to == more ways to avoid doing assignments.
[04:05] <ajmitch> hello mpt 
[04:05] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: why?
[04:06] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: because it'd be fun, and so you could stop procrastinating :)
[04:06] <Hobbsee> awww
[04:06] <Hobbsee> that's what i was going to do yesterday
[04:06] <Hobbsee> was it the one moron, multiple times?
[04:06] <ajmitch> no, it was a number of people from one company
[04:07] <Hobbsee> ahh
[04:08] <thumper> Hobbsee: which assignments?
[04:08] <ajmitch> hey thumper :)
[04:08] <thumper> hi ajmitch 
[04:09] <thumper> ajmitch: it is up to 13 degrees now
[04:09] <thumper> it must be that hot sun
[04:09] <ajmitch> you should sit outside, it'd probably be warmer
[04:09] <thumper> nah, it's 11 outside
[04:09] <jjesse> winter time?
[04:09] <thumper> in 3 days
[04:13] <Hobbsee> thumper: maths, electronics, physics x2, optoelectronics x3
[04:13] <thumper> Hobbsee: so just a couple then...
[04:14] <Hobbsee> just a few, yes
[05:58] <Hobbsee> morning BjornT 
[05:59] <BjornT> good morning Hobbsee 
[06:03] <LaserJock> hi BjornT and Hobbsee 
[06:03] <Hobbsee> hi LaserJock 
[06:13] <mpt> hi BjornT 
[06:15] <BjornT> hi mpt and LaserJock 
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #117276 in launchpad "Require projects to specify the license of their code" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117276
[08:26] <carlos> morning
[08:26] <Hobbsee> morning carlos!
[08:36] <Fujitsu> Am I misinterpreting the build numbers, or is edge behind production at the moment?
[09:38] <jamesh> Fujitsu: they are Bazaar revision numbers
[09:39] <jamesh> Fujitsu: the edge.launchpad.net and launchpad.net codebases are separate branches, so their revision numbers are not strictly comparable
[09:39] <Fujitsu> Of the rocketfuel branch?
[09:39] <Fujitsu> Ah, OK.
[09:39] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[09:40] <jamesh> Fujitsu: e.g. say launchpad.net is at rev 42 after a new roll out
[09:40] <jamesh> we then merge an urgent fix into the production launchpad.net branch creating a revision 43
[09:40] <jamesh> this revision 43 is not the same as the revision 43 on the development branch
[09:41] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:24] <visik7> hi
[10:25] <visik7> I got issues when I try to validate my pgp key I put the fingerprint into the box press Import key but no mail arrive here
[01:46] <cprov> good morning !
[02:02] <omha> ey
[02:02] <omha> how can i join a project?
[02:03] <gnomefreak> omha: you mean like join a team or just help out sometimes on a certain projects?
[02:03] <gnomefreak> -s
[02:03] <omha> gnomefreak, develop a program 
[02:06] <ablomen> hey i have just started a project yesterday, now some people would like to join the project, how can i add them and/or can they join?
[02:13] <mwh> ablomen: people don't join projects, then join teams
[02:14] <mwh> then -> they
[02:14] <ablomen> ok so i need to make a team for my project too?
[02:15] <ablomen> ok found it, thanks mwh :)
[02:17] <ddaa> uhm
[02:18] <ddaa> I think the question is what FOR do you think you need to join a project/team?
[02:19] <ddaa> if you want to help on a project, the answer is "just do it": realy the ML, hang out on the IRC channel, sent patches to the developers, nothing of that requires a formal action on Launchpad.
[03:14] <mpt> ablomen, you can edit the description of the project to describe how people can get involved
[03:14] <ddaa> hey mpt
[03:14] <ablomen> mpt, yeah should do that :)
[03:14] <ddaa> what kind of crazy time of the day is it in kiwi contry?
[03:14] <mpt> I don't know, I'm fast asleep
[03:16] <Hobbsee> ddaa: 1am or so?  i think?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> 1.15am?
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #117340 in Ubuntu "Gnome CD burning function translation error." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117340
[03:32] <ablomen> hmm and where can i make a new bzr branch for the project?
[03:34] <ablomen> ah found it already, sorry
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #117342 in launchpad-bazaar "can register mirror branch with URL in code.launchpad.net" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117342
[03:43] <\sh> any launchpad admins online? 
[03:44] <Yannig> Hello everybody :)
[03:46] <Yannig> Hi carlos :)
[03:46] <carlos> Yannig: hi
[03:47] <Yannig> Tell me... :)
[03:47] <carlos> \sh: hi, please, ask what you need and if there is someone that could help you, we will do it
[03:47] <carlos> Yannig: what do you need that I tell you ? :-)
[03:48] <Yannig> Any idea about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/112588 ?
[03:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112588 in openoffice.org "Unable to have OpenOffice in Occitan whereas it's being translated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[03:48] <Yannig> Thanks ubotu :D
[03:49] <carlos> Yannig: is your translation only in Launchpad?
[03:49] <Yannig> Yep
[03:49] <Yannig> Someone is about to do the same at openoffice.org but not yet done
[03:49] <omha> how can i host a bazaar respo at launchpd?
[03:53] <ddaa> omha: what do you mean? Do you want to upload a bzr branch on Launchpad to host, or do you want to use a shared repository for your branches on launchpad?
[03:56] <omha> ddaabzr upload a branch on launchpad to host
[03:57] <\sh> carlos, how can I remove my lp account completly from LP
[03:57] <omha> ddaa
[03:57] <\sh> carlos, if it needs some interaction from LP admins, please go and remove my account.
[03:58] <carlos> Yannig: that's our fault, we will start soon providing oo.org language packs from Launchpad (we had a technical problem with that)
[03:58] <ddaa> omha: https://help.launchpad.net/CreatingAHostedBranch
[03:58] <ddaa> omha: in short, use the bzr client to push to bazaar.launchpad.net
[03:58] <carlos> \sh: please, file a request on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad 
[03:58] <ddaa> there is no web UI at the moment to create a hosted branch
[03:59] <carlos> \sh: I don't have such rights
[03:59] <Yannig> Thanks carlos :)
[03:59] <\sh> carlos,k
[04:00] <ddaa> see also https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights
[04:00] <ddaa> https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/EasyBranching
[04:05] <omha> how do i set bzr push to use and SSH key?
[04:06] <ddaa> do you know what a SSH key is?
[04:06] <omha> yes
[04:06] <omha> and i have also registered one
[04:07] <ddaa> what is the specific problem you are facing then?
[04:07] <omha> bzr is asking for a password
[04:07] <ddaa> you are probably not using the right username with sftp
[04:07] <omha> not a ssh key
[04:08] <ddaa> what is the command line you are using to bzr push?
[04:08] <ddaa> please copy-paste it
[04:08] <omha> ddaa bzr push sftp://bard-simonsen@bazaar.launchpad.net/~pib/pib/devel
[04:09] <ddaa> okay, what is the URL of your personal page on Launchpad?
[04:09] <ddaa> the place you go when you click on your name in the upper right corner?
[04:10] <omha> https://code.launchpad.net/~bard-simonsen
[04:10] <ddaa> mh... there's already a devel branch there
[04:10] <ddaa> https://code.launchpad.net/~pib/pib/devel
[04:11] <omha> yes
[04:11] <omha> btw how can i delete that?
[04:12] <ddaa> assign it to the "obsolete-junk" product and set its status to "Abandoned"
[04:12] <ddaa> you cannot really delete branches on launchpad yet
[04:13] <ddaa> s/product/project/
[04:14] <ddaa> omha: I'm not sure about your ssh key problem. Bzr uses openssh to connect to sftp if it's available.
[04:14] <ddaa> so if you can use this ssh key in other places, it should just work
[04:14] <omha> well im on win32
[04:14] <ddaa> oh
[04:14] <ddaa> I cannot answer that. The folks on #bzr will be able to help though.
[04:15] <ddaa> sorry, but I'm a poor linux geek. Never really used Windows...
[04:16] <omha> i want to be a poor linux geek, but hardware isn't supported in my new laptop :(
[04:16] <ddaa> the trick is to choose hardware that is supported...
[04:17] <ddaa> makes like easier and puts pressure on hardware maker to help linux developer support their stuff.
[04:17] <highvoltage> or buy a Dell laptop with Ubuntu pre-installed ;)
[04:17] <ddaa> or a Thinkpad
[04:17] <highvoltage> (just a pity they only sell 'em in the US)
[04:17] <omha> yea
[04:18] <ddaa> I do have some minor problems with my X60 (not so poor linux geek actually)
[04:18] <ddaa> but it mostly just works
[04:19] <omha> ddaa, bzr: ERROR: Unsupported protocol for url "sftp://bard-simonsen@bazaar.launchpad.net/~pib/pib/devel": Unable to import paramiko (required for sftp support): No module named paramiko
[04:19] <highvoltage> I want to get an X60 next
[04:19] <highvoltage> what doesn't work on it?
[04:19] <highvoltage> (well, an X60s to be specific)
[04:19] <omha> ddaa, whats wrong there?
[04:19] <ddaa> you need paramiko installed for sftp support
[04:20] <ddaa> omha: really, you should ask on #bzr and check the bazaar-vcs.org site... I am of no help once windoze is involved.
[04:20] <omha> im using a nice debian now
[04:20] <ddaa> oh
[04:20] <ddaa> apt-get install python-paramiko
[04:20] <omha> putty + samba == code on laptop :)
[04:20] <ddaa> or something close to that
[04:22] <ddaa> it should be in the Recommends of your bzr package
[04:22] <ddaa> http://bazaar-vcs.org/DistroDownloads for instructions on how to get the package
[04:23] <omha> i got it
[04:23] <ddaa> once you have paramiko and openssh-client installed, it should all just work
[04:24] <ddaa> provided the ssh key on this debian system is the one you registered on launchpad...
[04:26] <omha> hmmm
[04:26] <omha> it works :D (i think)
[04:27] <omha> it's fetching when its pushing :S
[04:28] <omha> ddaa, thanks
[04:29] <ddaa> you're welcome, sorry for the trouble, we plan to make it easier to create hosted branches
[04:30] <omha> well, launchpad is a hell, when you first arrive, but it seems to be great when you learn it 
[04:31] <ddaa> :( right, lots of things that do not match first time expectations
[04:31] <ddaa> if you can, please report on the specific things that annoyed you
[04:31] <ddaa> and get other first time users to do so
[04:31] <omha> the navigate menus 
[04:31] <ddaa> launchpad-users mailing list is a good place for that, I think, or filing a Question on the launchpad project
[04:32] <ddaa> omha: please take the time to report in a place where it is public and archived
[04:32] <omha> kk
[04:33] <ddaa> some things like the navigation are not going to change overnight, but small things like that build awareness.
[04:33] <ddaa> besides... it got A LOT better with the new UI... the old blue UI was a lot worse navigation-wise...
[04:33] <Yannig> carlos: Any idea when (approximately) it should be done?
[04:34] <carlos> We just finished our more urgent milestone so I hope it would happen between this week and next one. I need to talk with the rest of the team to schedule it
[04:43] <Yannig> Thanks :)
[04:43] <Yannig> So a language-support-oc package should be created, it that it?
[04:44] <carlos> Yannig: for oo.org is not really that the problem
[04:45] <carlos> but yes, you should get such meta package to install automatically all dictionaries and other packages needed for Occitan
[04:45] <Yannig> Great :)
[04:46] <Yannig> I should go on translating Mozilla now :P
[04:46] <carlos> we will be able to do it soon with Launchpad :-)
[04:51] <Yannig> How soon?
[04:52] <Yannig> (just to know if it's worth asking a CVS account by the beginning of summer at Mozilla's)
[05:16] <ubotu> New bug: #55681 in soyuz "Ensure we don't create orphaned SourcePackageNames" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/55681
[05:20] <ddaa> lifeless: I need your awesome CVS fu
[05:20] <ddaa> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22904/
[05:20] <ddaa> does THAT look anything like a "correct" way to do directory renaming in CVS?
[05:21] <ddaa> want to know because it caused cscvs to fail an import, and I want to know if I should ask the user to tell the repo admin to please not do that, or if it's a bug in cscvs.
[05:23] <lifeless> ddaa: it would seem to be missing a lot of data
[05:23] <ddaa> I'm seeing a lot of those "file foo was initially added on branch BAR" log entries
[05:24] <ddaa> and it seems that use of dead revision thoroughly confuses cscvs
[05:24] <ddaa> and in some cases it does look like a bug in cscvs
[05:24] <lifeless> we have code to handle this
[05:24] <lifeless> and a test somewhere
[05:24] <ddaa> could you have a look at it?
[05:25] <lifeless> its 1:30 am! no.
[05:25] <ddaa> Not right now.
[05:25] <lifeless> I'm off back to sleep to try to reset body clock.
[05:25] <ddaa> But at some point in the next month.
[05:25] <lifeless> I dont know that the admin has done anything wrong or not
[05:25] <ddaa> ok about that
[05:25] <lifeless> I can say that lots of tags in that file are referenced and absent
[05:25] <ddaa> I'm asking about this use of dead revisions.
[05:26] <ddaa> I could not find anything that looked like it in the cscvs code.
[05:26] <lifeless> I think if you grep for dead in the cvs parser tests you'll find a matching scenario quickly
[05:26] <ddaa> but that does not mean much, since my brain started melting pretty quickly when I tried to read the code :(
[05:26] <lifeless> Drop me a mail, my brain is pre-melted right now
[05:26] <lifeless> tchau
[05:27] <ablomen> ok i think im just looking over it but.. with my project i dont have any subversion system atm, id like to use the launchpad hosted bazaar stuff, where can i set this up?
[05:29] <ablomen> i cant find it anywere, it seems like if you use "add a branch" it needs an excisting bzr/svn/whatever system
[05:30] <ddaa> ablomen: https://help.launchpad.net/CreatingAHostedBranch
[05:30] <ddaa> also https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/EasyBranching
[05:30] <ablomen> ddaa, ah thanks man :)
[05:30] <ddaa> and https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/TeamBranches
[05:31] <ablomen> yay thats the stuff iv been trying to find :) *bow*
[05:31] <ddaa> in the next launchpad release there will be a link to that wiki page from the +addbranch page in launchpad
[05:31] <ablomen> that would be nice yes ;)
[05:36] <tsmithe> hi i've been wondering how launchpad generates the dependency trees such as at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/composite-by-default is this source available anywhere; i'm interested in doing a similar thing myself
[05:36] <tsmithe> or just to learn from
[05:36] <ddaa> it uses dot
[05:37] <tsmithe> dot?
[05:37] <ddaa> from the graphviz package
[05:37] <tsmithe> mmhmm
[05:37] <tsmithe> thanks
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #117386 in launchpad "[feature request]  Allow users to insert their SIP accounts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117386
[07:20] <LaserJock> cprov: around?
[07:21] <cprov> LaserJock: yes, what I can do for you ?
[08:06] <Martinp23> How is karma assigned on LP?
[08:07] <shawarma> See the front page. :)
[08:07] <shawarma> There's a link to a page called " Learn how we calculate your Launchpad karma"
[08:07] <shawarma> https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaCalculation
[08:07] <Martinp23> Hehe - I've read that, but I sort of confused me more :)
[08:08] <Martinp23> https://launchpad.net/~martinp23/+karma <-- Should there be karma for those actions, or does it get assigned only after a certain baseline number of actions have been carried out, or something?
[08:11] <LaserJock> Martinp23: I think the karma value is updated daily
[08:12] <Martinp23> LaserJock: Hmm - the plot thickens then.  That would have given the system 2 or 3 opportunities to update my karma so far...
[08:15] <salgado> Martinp23, we had a problem when we last updated the code running on launchpad.net and the karma hasn't been updated since last Thursday
[08:15] <salgado> Martinp23, also, there may be some actions which although being recorded are currently worth 0 karma points
[08:16] <Martinp23> salgado: Ahh ok - I knew about some actions being worth 0, but thanks for letting me know about the bug
[08:17] <salgado> it's not an actual bug in the code. just a mistake (already corrected) when the code was updated
[08:17] <salgado> IOW, karma should be updated tonight
[08:19] <Martinp23> OK :)
[08:20] <__20h__> Good evening.
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #117403 in launchpad "Broken traversal on ProductRelease page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117403
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #117409 in launchpad "Certain project files can't be downloaded with firefox, wget works ok" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117409
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #117410 in launchpad "Certain project files can't be downloaded with firefox, wget works ok" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117410
[09:07] <LaserJock> jcs: hi
[09:08] <gwen> lo *
[09:09] <gwen> i'm trying to sign code of conduct and don't succeed....
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #117452 in malone "Code that parses bugtracker urls need to handle incomplete bugzilla urls" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117452