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lifeless | Keybuk: hi, just got off the plane | 01:25 |
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shaya | any idea why a setuid root program will run with a euid of the user running it? | 02:50 |
shaya | when it never calls seteuid or the like | 02:50 |
shaya | on gutsy | 02:50 |
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shaya | seems to be static vs dynamic oriented | 02:56 |
shaya | weird | 02:57 |
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shaya | I'm an idiot | 02:58 |
shaya | libtool was doing some funky script | 02:58 |
shaya | can't setuid scripts | 02:58 |
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Hobbsee | morning all | 03:31 |
ion_ | Night. | 03:31 |
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jmg | hey all | 07:09 |
jmg | who should i pester about problems with a 2gb sd card under feisty? | 07:09 |
jmg | im not sure where to file the bug or if a bug is even nescessary | 07:09 |
Burgundavia | it is a kernel bug | 07:10 |
Burgundavia | the proper time for reporting such issues is before release | 07:10 |
jmg | well, it was a bug under edgy. the 2.6.20 changelog had an entry for adding sdhc support, I assumed that would fix it. Are you saying its too late and i should just foad? | 07:11 |
jmg | how do I know its a kernel bug and not libusb/gnome-volume-manager? | 07:12 |
jmg | answer, I dont. | 07:12 |
jmg | thats not a very helpful response. | 07:13 |
minghua | jmg: it's probably more helpful if you test gutsy and see if the problem is still there | 07:14 |
minghua | jmg: and if yes, report it so that it can be fixed before release this time | 07:14 |
jmg | minghua: right, i just distupgraded to feisty. | 07:14 |
jmg | i dont particularly want to upgrade to gutsy to see if a bug is fixed there. I dont think generic users will want to either, they'll just go back to winxp. | 07:16 |
RadiantFire | jmg: use a vm like qemu | 07:17 |
ajmitch | that's not going to help much with a hardware problem | 07:17 |
RadiantFire | it won't work if it is in userspace, it will if its a kernel bug? | 07:17 |
RadiantFire | at least thats what i would think | 07:17 |
minghua | jmg: then at least you can update the bug (I assume it's already reported) and say it's not fixed in feisty | 07:17 |
RadiantFire | i do not know much about such things | 07:17 |
minghua | jmg: comments on IRC will eventually get lost | 07:18 |
jmg | minghua: i had a poke through lp looking for a bug report (fat16, sd), couldnt find one | 07:18 |
jmg | minghua: but im trying to establish where the bug is and where to file it first | 07:18 |
minghua | jmg: as Burgundavia said, report it against kernel | 07:19 |
minghua | jmg: the developers will reassign it to the correct package if needed | 07:19 |
jmg | minghua: 88147 has some clues | 07:27 |
jmg | #88147 | 07:27 |
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jmg | what is the kernels name in launchpad? | 07:30 |
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Hobbsee | seems not | 08:09 |
Burgundavia | why so? | 08:10 |
Hobbsee | Burgundavia: was wondering if \sh's post was inappropriate for planet | 08:10 |
Burgundavia | right | 08:10 |
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Hobbsee | figured i'd wait to see if anyone else mentioned it | 08:10 |
Burgundavia | \sh is frequently borderline | 08:10 |
Burgundavia | anyway, need ot sleep | 08:10 |
Hobbsee | i know... | 08:10 |
Hobbsee | night! | 08:10 |
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Lure | Mithrandir: can you give-back kdegraphics to pick up new poppler package dependancies? | 09:38 |
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bonii | j #fedora-devel | 09:49 |
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Treenaks | bonii: wrong channel ;) | 10:01 |
bonii | Treenaks: Not exactly, I was joining that channel as well for the / :-) | 10:02 |
bonii | Treenaks: *forgot | 10:02 |
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Riddell | Lure: it's a holiday today in most places | 10:44 |
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Lure | Riddell: oh, right... | 10:47 |
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tepsipakki | I guess no package that build-deps on non-free java gets built and included in the distro (because it tries to ask a question, which fails)? | 11:36 |
tepsipakki | I was looking for fop, but it's waiting on libbatik-java which doesn't build because of that | 11:36 |
shawarma | fop's in its way in? Nice. | 11:38 |
tepsipakki | shawarma: doesn't look like it | 11:39 |
tepsipakki | it's been in debian for ages | 11:40 |
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keescook | hunh. is this actually a free license? http://bastard.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/bastard/libdisasm/LICENSE?revision=1.1 | 11:59 |
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keescook | while it would allow debian/ubuntu to redistribute it, I'm not sure that would get past NEW | 11:59 |
geser | is it the same licence text as in /usr/share/common-licenses/Artistic? | 12:02 |
persia | keescook: I'm not an authority, but section 4 looks worrying to me: there's no provision for only including instructions on getting modified source with the package, so 4d might apply. | 12:02 |
keescook | geser: except for the initial paragraph, it matches Artistic | 12:03 |
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keescook | specifically "however it cannot be incorporated into a commercial product --aside from OS distributions and other collections of user software-- without the express permission of the developer." | 12:04 |
geser | is that an additional clause or a human understandable summary of the licence? | 12:06 |
keescook | geser: afaict, it's an additional clause. :( | 12:07 |
geser | besides the commercial product part is sounds like paragraph 5 | 12:08 |
maswan | kylem: Did you have a kernel for me to test? | 12:09 |
keescook | oh... and they dropped Artistic item #8 too. | 12:09 |
keescook | (and then renumbered stuff) | 12:09 |
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Fujitsu | Why do people have to invent their own licenses? | 12:10 |
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StevenK | Because they wish to be thpecial. | 12:11 |
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ompaul | Fujitsu, because they are broken? | 12:40 |
Fujitsu | ompaul: Probably. | 12:41 |
ompaul | it is a design flaw to remake the wheel ;-) file a bug :) | 12:41 |
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st3 | hi everybody, i'm a maintainer of bcm43xx | 12:57 |
st3 | some ubuntu users are reporting a broken bcm43xx driver, so i'd like to know what driver version you put into ubuntu kernel "2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP x86_64" | 12:57 |
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persia | st3: You might have better luck in #ubuntu-kernel (although someone may also answer here) | 12:59 |
st3 | thank you | 12:59 |
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cprov | siretart: ping | 02:07 |
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Hobbsee | heya all | 02:45 |
mdke | hiya Hobbsee | 02:49 |
Hobbsee | hey mdke! how's it going? | 02:49 |
mdke | well thanks. a much needed public holiday | 02:50 |
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Hobbsee | :) | 02:50 |
Hobbsee | i hear we get one in 3 weeks or so. shudder. | 02:50 |
StevenK | Two weeks. The 11th of June | 02:51 |
Hobbsee | two. even worse. | 02:51 |
StevenK | And what's so bad about public holidays? | 02:51 |
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Hobbsee | StevenK: because i usually end up having to work them. | 02:51 |
StevenK | Hobbsee: Ahhh. | 02:52 |
Hobbsee | StevenK: and we get a higher number of COH's than usual, which is particuarly good, as almost always, our computer systems will completely break down too | 02:52 |
StevenK | Neat. | 02:52 |
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kylem | maswan, yeah | 03:15 |
kylem | sorry, just started the day here. | 03:15 |
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maswan | kylem: no problem, just let me know when we can try it. we recently managed to find a test case that triggers the page allocation failure in .55 but not .53. | 03:19 |
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Hobbsee | mdz_: elmo ping. | 03:33 |
mdz_ | Hobbsee: hmm? | 03:33 |
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\sh | mdz, please can you remove my launchpad account, thx | 03:41 |
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Hobbsee_ | GRRR @ BIGPOND. | 03:44 |
mdz | \sh: no, I can't. I believe launchpad-users is the place to ask for that if you want it | 03:44 |
Hobbsee | [23:33] <Hobbsee> mdz: could you step into #ubuntu-motu please? | 03:44 |
Hobbsee | [23:34] --> Demitar has joined this channel (n=demitar@c-212-031-190-120.cust.broadway.se). | 03:44 |
Hobbsee | [23:34] <Hobbsee> mdz: we've having a discussion on the inappropriateness of posts for planet, and it'd probably help to have someone official there | 03:44 |
Hobbsee | [23:34] <Hobbsee> mdz: i can give you a backlog if you like | 03:44 |
mdz | Hobbsee: I'm there, backlog would be helpful | 03:44 |
\sh | mdz, well, fyi, I removed my rights, and my CoC...please remove my blog from planet, just because I can't anymore...I'll step back from all my duties | 03:45 |
StevenK | Hobbsee: You missed what \sh said in -motu. | 03:45 |
mdz | \sh: that's your choice, but seriously, I don't administer planet either | 03:45 |
\sh | mdz, hmm.but yoiu have a ssh key for it ;) and are in the right place of LP...so you can adjust the planet.config | 03:46 |
jikanter | ls | 03:46 |
Hobbsee | StevenK: no i didnt - LongPointyStick | 03:46 |
tkamppeter | pitti, hi | 03:46 |
jikanter | oops, sorry wrong place to type that | 03:46 |
Hobbsee | mdz: grabbing it now. internet dropped out, had to physically go and reset the cable & router. http://rafb.net/p/zyjUBn76.html | 03:46 |
StevenK | Hobbsee: Oh, right | 03:46 |
Hobbsee | StevenK: that's part of the reason for me keeping it there - for when the ISP screws up... | 03:47 |
shawarma | \sh: You're still member of ubuntu-members... You should be able to do it yourself. | 03:47 |
jikanter | ls | 03:47 |
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\sh | shawarma, nope...I disabled my CoC and my ssh key | 03:50 |
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pitti | hi tkamppeter | 04:00 |
tkamppeter | pitti, the hplip package dis not make it into Launchpad/archives. | 04:05 |
pitti | weird | 04:06 |
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pitti | tkamppeter: did you get a mail about it? | 04:09 |
pitti | tkamppeter: I uploaded it again; let me know what happens | 04:10 |
ogra-classmate | pitti: are you aware of any jadetex breakage atm? i seem not to be able to use my puilder, after setting up 100 tex language packages it fails on the jadetex postinst | 04:11 |
pitti | ogra-classmate: no, I'm not | 04:11 |
ogra-classmate | hmm, weird | 04:11 |
ogra-classmate | whats going on with these tex language packs ? do we really need them | 04:11 |
ogra-classmate | (i havent seen them before gutsy) | 04:12 |
pitti | ogra-classmate: hm, its tetex|texlive dependencies should really be reversed, or tetex be dropped altogether | 04:12 |
persia | ogra-classmate: I'm seeing the same thing. I think it's because I had tetex-extras installed (still resolving). | 04:12 |
pitti | ogra-classmate: the transitional tetex-extra package pulls in the entire texlive world, which is absolutely unnecessary as build-deps/depends | 04:12 |
ogra-classmate | persia: well, its a pbuilder, i dont install stuff in there | 04:12 |
ogra-classmate | yeah | 04:12 |
pitti | ogra: Depends: ... tetex-extra | texlive-fonts-recommended | 04:12 |
ogra-classmate | well, its not a g-p-m dep i think | 04:13 |
pitti | ideally no package would have a prefered dependency on tetex any more | 04:13 |
ogra-classmate | it hasnt | 04:13 |
pitti | jadetex has | 04:13 |
ogra-classmate | just checked | 04:13 |
ogra-classmate | there is no tex at all in gnome-power-managers build deps | 04:14 |
ogra-classmate | ah, wait | 04:14 |
ogra-classmate | docbook-utils | 04:14 |
pitti | ogra-classmate: docbook-utils or gnome-doc-utls perhaps? | 04:14 |
pitti | right | 04:14 |
ogra-classmate | gah | 04:15 |
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pitti | ogra-classmate: in Debian it's fixed; so someone should merge jadetex | 04:15 |
ogra-classmate | well, apparently nobody noticed it(which is very weird, i saw it before i started classmate hacking on monday and just thought my pbuilder was outdated and didnt bother) | 04:16 |
ogra-classmate | seb128 didnt see it in his pbuilder | 04:17 |
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pitti | BenC: ugh, I just looked at /proc/kcore out of interest | 04:22 |
pitti | -r-------- 1 root root 256T 2007-05-28 16:21 /proc/kcore | 04:22 |
pitti | 256 TB?? | 04:22 |
Mithrandir | mine's 2GB here | 04:22 |
BenC | kcore is virtual | 04:22 |
kylem | pitti, amd64? | 04:22 |
mjg59 | pitti: That's your entire address space | 04:22 |
BenC | hmm, mines same size as physical mem too | 04:22 |
mjg59 | Oh, hmm. | 04:23 |
mjg59 | Yeah, mine's physical rather than virtual | 04:23 |
pitti | kylem: yep | 04:24 |
mjg59 | But 40 bits sounds right for amd64 physical address space right now | 04:24 |
kylem | 64bit arch with a huge discontiguous space. | 04:24 |
kylem | what's the memory map look like? | 04:24 |
kylem | e820-map or whatever they call it? | 04:24 |
pitti | ls: /proc/*map*: No such file or directory | 04:24 |
kylem | iz in dmesg. | 04:25 |
kylem | right at the top. | 04:25 |
pitti | Mithrandir: yep, on my i386 server (2.6.20, too) it is 897 MB, which is the physical memory minus vmlinux size (or so) | 04:26 |
Mithrandir | you don't have 1GB on the box? | 04:26 |
pitti | Mithrandir: I actually do have a gig | 04:26 |
pitti | kylem: http://paste.stgraber.org/1187 | 04:27 |
pitti | BenC: so I guess we really do need some mmap() magic on this rather than just copying it entirely to a .crash report | 04:27 |
mjg59 | pitti: ... | 04:28 |
Mithrandir | pitti: use a kernel with HIGHMEM enabled and you'll be able to use another 100-odd MB. | 04:28 |
mjg59 | pitti: I think so :) | 04:28 |
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pitti | Mithrandir: I'll try that, thanks | 04:28 |
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BenC | pitti: For you test maybe, but for real vmcore, it wont look like that, it you'll be using the makedump command that will be in kexec-tools | 04:33 |
pitti | BenC: ah, great; I'll use that in the test as well then | 04:34 |
BenC | pitti: Right, the makedump command will pull the bits for kcore that it needs, so you can use that for testing | 04:34 |
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tkamppeter | pitti, you answered me that you uploaded it (on Friday or so), but it never arrived. | 04:35 |
sbalneav | cjwatson: Thanks for the hint. Got it going over the weekend with openpty() and login_tty(). | 04:36 |
pitti | tkamppeter: it worked this time | 04:36 |
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ogra-classmate | sbalneav: ??? | 04:36 |
ogra-classmate | REALLY ? | 04:36 |
sbalneav | Yep. | 04:36 |
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ogra-classmate | whoops sorry :) | 04:37 |
sbalneav | lol | 04:37 |
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maswan | kylem: well, let me know when you find it so we can test it tomorrow then. :) | 04:53 |
kylem | maswan, which email would you like? | 04:54 |
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CarlFK | what package should I report a bug against that is a problem wiht : alt install's proxy setting and apt-cacher | 06:31 |
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Arby | are there any kernel people around? | 06:52 |
Arby | how do I go about triaging bug 117314? | 06:53 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 117314 in linux-source-2.6.20 "latest kernel(2.6.20-16.28) update gives boot problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117314 | 06:53 |
siretart | cprov: pong | 06:59 |
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cprov | siretart: hey, sorry for the "ping-on-holiday" | 07:00 |
cprov | siretart: it's not anything urgent. Anyway pvt. | 07:00 |
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tkamppeter | It seems that something is not consistent on the build server. See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hplip/1.7.3-0ubuntu2 | 07:13 |
Mithrandir | tkamppeter: no, it has nothing to do with the buildds. | 07:15 |
Mithrandir | libsnmp9-dev, which you build-depend on (directly or indirectly) isn't working atm. | 07:15 |
tkamppeter | Do I have to replace it by something else for Gutsy or do I simply have to wait until the libsnmp9 maintainer fixes it. | 07:19 |
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tkamppeter | Mithrandir, what about the libsnmp9-dev issue? | 07:34 |
maswan | kylem: this is workstuff, so maswan@hpc2n.umu.se would be great. :) | 07:36 |
kylem | ok. | 07:36 |
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jovan | is there a daily build iso or whatever of gutsy? | 07:52 |
Mithrandir | not yet | 07:52 |
jovan | how can i test it otherwise? | 07:53 |
Mithrandir | install 7.04 and upgrade | 07:53 |
jovan | hhm | 07:53 |
jovan | ok | 07:53 |
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CarlFK | should I bother reporting bugs in the gutsy installer? (it tries to mount proc before /proc is created) | 08:10 |
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