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lifelessKeybuk: hi, just got off the plane01:25
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shayaany idea why a setuid root program will run with a euid of the user running it?02:50
shayawhen it never calls seteuid or the like02:50
shayaon gutsy02:50
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shayaseems to be static vs dynamic oriented02:56
shayaweird02:57
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shayaI'm an idiot02:58
shayalibtool was doing some funky script02:58
shayacan't setuid scripts02:58
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Hobbseemorning all03:31
ion_Night.03:31
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jmghey all07:09
jmgwho should i pester about problems with a 2gb sd card under feisty?07:09
jmgim not sure where to file the bug or if a bug is even nescessary07:09
Burgundaviait is a kernel bug07:10
Burgundaviathe proper time for reporting such issues is before release07:10
jmgwell, it was a bug under edgy. the 2.6.20 changelog had an entry for adding sdhc support, I assumed that would fix it. Are you saying its too late and i should just foad?07:11
jmghow do I know its a kernel bug and not libusb/gnome-volume-manager?07:12
jmganswer, I dont.07:12
jmgthats not a very helpful response.07:13
minghuajmg: it's probably more helpful if you test gutsy and see if the problem is still there07:14
minghuajmg: and if yes, report it so that it can be fixed before release this time07:14
jmgminghua: right, i just distupgraded to feisty.07:14
jmgi dont particularly want to upgrade to gutsy to see if a bug is fixed there. I dont think generic users will want to either, they'll just go back to winxp.07:16
RadiantFirejmg: use a vm like qemu07:17
ajmitchthat's not going to help much with a hardware problem07:17
RadiantFireit won't work if it is in userspace, it will if its a kernel bug?07:17
RadiantFireat least thats what i would think07:17
minghuajmg: then at least you can update the bug (I assume it's already reported) and say it's not fixed in feisty07:17
RadiantFirei do not know much about such things07:17
minghuajmg: comments on IRC will eventually get lost07:18
jmgminghua: i had a poke through lp looking for a bug report (fat16, sd), couldnt find one07:18
jmgminghua: but im trying to establish where the bug is and where to file it first07:18
minghuajmg: as Burgundavia said, report it against kernel07:19
minghuajmg: the developers will reassign it to the correct package if needed07:19
jmgminghua: 88147 has some clues07:27
jmg#8814707:27
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jmgwhat is the kernels name in launchpad?07:30
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=== Hobbsee checks if planet ubuntu has blown up yet
Hobbseeseems not08:09
Burgundaviawhy so?08:10
HobbseeBurgundavia: was wondering if \sh's post was inappropriate for planet08:10
Burgundaviaright08:10
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Hobbseefigured i'd wait to see if anyone else mentioned it08:10
Burgundavia\sh is frequently borderline08:10
Burgundaviaanyway, need ot sleep08:10
Hobbseei know...08:10
Hobbseenight!08:10
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LureMithrandir: can you give-back kdegraphics to pick up new poppler package dependancies?09:38
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boniij #fedora-devel09:49
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Treenaksbonii: wrong channel ;)10:01
boniiTreenaks: Not exactly, I was joining that channel as well for the / :-)10:02
boniiTreenaks: *forgot10:02
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RiddellLure: it's a holiday today in most places10:44
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LureRiddell: oh, right...10:47
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tepsipakkiI guess no package that build-deps on non-free java gets built and included in the distro (because it tries to ask a question, which fails)?11:36
tepsipakkiI was looking for fop, but it's waiting on libbatik-java which doesn't build because of that11:36
shawarmafop's in its way in? Nice.11:38
tepsipakkishawarma: doesn't look like it11:39
tepsipakkiit's been in debian for ages11:40
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keescookhunh.  is this actually a free license?  http://bastard.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/bastard/libdisasm/LICENSE?revision=1.111:59
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keescookwhile it would allow debian/ubuntu to redistribute it, I'm not sure that would get past NEW11:59
geseris it the same licence text as in /usr/share/common-licenses/Artistic?12:02
persiakeescook: I'm not an authority, but section 4 looks worrying to me: there's no provision for only including instructions on getting modified source with the package, so 4d might apply.12:02
keescookgeser: except for the initial paragraph, it matches Artistic12:03
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keescookspecifically "however it cannot be incorporated into a commercial product --aside from OS distributions and other collections of user software-- without the express permission of the developer."12:04
geseris that an additional clause or a human understandable summary of the licence?12:06
keescookgeser: afaict, it's an additional clause.  :(12:07
geserbesides the commercial product part is sounds like paragraph 512:08
maswankylem: Did you have a kernel for me to test?12:09
keescookoh... and they dropped Artistic item #8 too.12:09
keescook(and then renumbered stuff)12:09
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FujitsuWhy do people have to invent their own licenses?12:10
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StevenKBecause they wish to be thpecial.12:11
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ompaulFujitsu, because they are broken?12:40
Fujitsuompaul: Probably.12:41
ompaulit is a design flaw to remake the wheel ;-) file a bug :)12:41
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st3hi everybody, i'm a maintainer of bcm43xx12:57
st3some ubuntu users are reporting a broken bcm43xx driver, so i'd like to know what driver version you put into ubuntu kernel "2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP x86_64"12:57
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persiast3: You might have better luck in #ubuntu-kernel (although someone may also answer here)12:59
st3thank you12:59
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cprovsiretart: ping02:07
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Hobbseeheya all02:45
mdkehiya Hobbsee 02:49
Hobbseehey mdke!  how's it going?02:49
mdkewell thanks. a much needed public holiday02:50
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Hobbsee:)02:50
Hobbseei hear we get one in 3 weeks or so.  shudder.02:50
StevenKTwo weeks. The 11th of June02:51
Hobbseetwo.  even worse.02:51
StevenKAnd what's so bad about public holidays?02:51
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HobbseeStevenK: because i usually end up having to work them.02:51
StevenKHobbsee: Ahhh.02:52
HobbseeStevenK: and we get a higher number of COH's than usual, which is particuarly good, as almost always, our computer systems will completely break down too02:52
StevenKNeat.02:52
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kylemmaswan, yeah03:15
kylemsorry, just started the day here.03:15
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maswankylem: no problem, just let me know when we can try it. we recently managed to find a test case that triggers the page allocation failure in .55 but not .53.03:19
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Hobbseemdz_: elmo ping.03:33
mdz_Hobbsee: hmm?03:33
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\shmdz, please can you remove my launchpad account, thx03:41
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Hobbsee_GRRR @ BIGPOND.03:44
mdz\sh: no, I can't.  I believe launchpad-users is the place to ask for that if you want it03:44
Hobbsee[23:33]  <Hobbsee> mdz: could you step into #ubuntu-motu please?03:44
Hobbsee[23:34]  --> Demitar has joined this channel (n=demitar@c-212-031-190-120.cust.broadway.se).03:44
Hobbsee[23:34]  <Hobbsee> mdz: we've having a discussion on the inappropriateness of posts for planet, and it'd probably help to have someone official there03:44
Hobbsee[23:34]  <Hobbsee> mdz: i can give you a backlog if you like03:44
mdzHobbsee: I'm there, backlog would be helpful03:44
\shmdz, well, fyi, I removed my rights, and my CoC...please remove my blog from planet, just because I can't anymore...I'll step back from all my duties03:45
StevenKHobbsee: You missed what \sh said in -motu.03:45
mdz\sh: that's your choice, but seriously, I don't administer planet either03:45
\shmdz, hmm.but yoiu have a ssh key for it ;) and are in the right place of LP...so you can adjust the planet.config03:46
jikanterls03:46
HobbseeStevenK: no i didnt - LongPointyStick 03:46
tkamppeterpitti, hi03:46
jikanteroops, sorry wrong place to type that03:46
Hobbseemdz: grabbing it now.  internet dropped out, had to physically go and reset the cable & router.  http://rafb.net/p/zyjUBn76.html03:46
StevenKHobbsee: Oh, right03:46
HobbseeStevenK: that's part of the reason for me keeping it there - for when the ISP screws up...03:47
shawarma\sh: You're still member of ubuntu-members... You should be able to do it yourself.03:47
jikanterls03:47
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\shshawarma, nope...I disabled my CoC and my ssh key03:50
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pittihi tkamppeter 04:00
tkamppeterpitti, the hplip package dis not make it into Launchpad/archives.04:05
pittiweird04:06
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pittitkamppeter: did you get a mail about it?04:09
pittitkamppeter: I uploaded it again; let me know what happens04:10
ogra-classmatepitti: are you aware of any jadetex breakage atm? i seem not to be able to use my puilder, after setting up 100 tex language packages it fails on the jadetex postinst04:11
pittiogra-classmate: no, I'm not04:11
ogra-classmatehmm, weird04:11
ogra-classmatewhats going on with these tex language packs ? do we really need them 04:11
ogra-classmate(i havent seen them before gutsy)04:12
pittiogra-classmate: hm, its tetex|texlive dependencies should really be reversed, or tetex be dropped altogether04:12
persiaogra-classmate: I'm seeing the same thing.  I think it's because I had tetex-extras installed (still resolving).04:12
pittiogra-classmate: the transitional tetex-extra package pulls in the entire texlive world, which is absolutely unnecessary as build-deps/depends04:12
ogra-classmatepersia: well, its a pbuilder, i dont install stuff in there04:12
ogra-classmateyeah04:12
pittiogra: Depends: ... tetex-extra | texlive-fonts-recommended04:12
ogra-classmatewell, its not a g-p-m dep i think04:13
pittiideally no package would have a prefered dependency on tetex any more04:13
ogra-classmateit hasnt04:13
pittijadetex has04:13
ogra-classmatejust checked04:13
ogra-classmatethere is no tex at all in gnome-power-managers build deps04:14
ogra-classmateah, wait04:14
ogra-classmatedocbook-utils04:14
pittiogra-classmate: docbook-utils or gnome-doc-utls perhaps?04:14
pittiright04:14
ogra-classmategah04:15
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pittiogra-classmate: in Debian it's fixed; so someone should merge jadetex04:15
ogra-classmatewell, apparently nobody noticed it(which is very weird, i saw it before i started classmate hacking on monday and just thought my pbuilder was outdated and didnt bother)04:16
ogra-classmateseb128 didnt see it in his pbuilder 04:17
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pittiBenC: ugh, I just looked at /proc/kcore out of interest04:22
pitti-r-------- 1 root root 256T 2007-05-28 16:21 /proc/kcore04:22
pitti256 TB??04:22
Mithrandirmine's 2GB here04:22
BenCkcore is virtual04:22
kylempitti, amd64?04:22
mjg59pitti: That's your entire address space04:22
BenChmm, mines same size as physical mem too04:22
mjg59Oh, hmm.04:23
mjg59Yeah, mine's physical rather than virtual04:23
pittikylem: yep04:24
mjg59But 40 bits sounds right for amd64 physical address space right now04:24
kylem64bit arch with a huge discontiguous space.04:24
kylemwhat's the memory map look like?04:24
kyleme820-map or whatever they call it?04:24
pittils: /proc/*map*: No such file or directory04:24
kylemiz in dmesg.04:25
kylemright at the top.04:25
pittiMithrandir: yep, on my i386 server (2.6.20, too) it is 897 MB, which is the physical memory minus vmlinux size (or so)04:26
Mithrandiryou don't have 1GB on the box?04:26
pittiMithrandir: I actually do have a gig04:26
pittikylem: http://paste.stgraber.org/118704:27
pittiBenC: so I guess we really do need some mmap() magic on this rather than just copying it entirely to a .crash report04:27
mjg59pitti: ...04:28
Mithrandirpitti: use a kernel with HIGHMEM enabled and you'll be able to use another 100-odd MB.04:28
mjg59pitti: I think so :)04:28
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pittiMithrandir: I'll try that, thanks04:28
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BenCpitti: For you test maybe, but for real vmcore, it wont look like that, it you'll be using the makedump command that will be in kexec-tools04:33
pittiBenC: ah, great; I'll use that in the test as well then04:34
BenCpitti: Right, the makedump command will pull the bits for kcore that it needs, so you can use that for testing04:34
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tkamppeterpitti, you answered me that you uploaded it (on Friday or so), but it never arrived.04:35
sbalneavcjwatson: Thanks for the hint.  Got it going over the weekend with openpty() and login_tty().04:36
pittitkamppeter: it worked this time04:36
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ogra-classmatesbalneav: ???04:36
ogra-classmateREALLY ?04:36
sbalneavYep.04:36
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ogra-classmatewhoops sorry :)04:37
sbalneavlol04:37
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maswankylem: well, let me know when you find it so we can test it tomorrow then. :)04:53
kylemmaswan, which email would you like?04:54
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CarlFKwhat package should I report a bug against that is a problem wiht : alt install's proxy setting and apt-cacher06:31
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Arbyare there any kernel people around?06:52
Arbyhow do I go about triaging bug 117314?06:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117314 in linux-source-2.6.20 "latest kernel(2.6.20-16.28) update gives boot problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11731406:53
siretartcprov: pong06:59
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cprovsiretart: hey, sorry for the "ping-on-holiday"07:00
cprovsiretart: it's not anything urgent. Anyway pvt.07:00
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tkamppeterIt seems that something is not consistent on the build server. See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hplip/1.7.3-0ubuntu207:13
Mithrandirtkamppeter: no, it has nothing to do with the buildds.07:15
Mithrandirlibsnmp9-dev, which you build-depend on (directly or indirectly) isn't working atm.07:15
tkamppeterDo I have to replace it by something else for Gutsy or do I simply have to wait until the libsnmp9 maintainer fixes it.07:19
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tkamppeterMithrandir, what about the libsnmp9-dev issue?07:34
maswankylem: this is workstuff, so maswan@hpc2n.umu.se would be great. :)07:36
kylemok.07:36
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jovanis there a daily build iso or whatever of gutsy?07:52
Mithrandirnot yet07:52
jovanhow can i test it otherwise?07:53
Mithrandirinstall 7.04 and upgrade07:53
jovanhhm07:53
jovanok07:53
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CarlFKshould I bother reporting bugs in the gutsy installer? (it tries to mount proc before /proc is created)08:10
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