[01:25] <lifeless> Keybuk: hi, just got off the plane
[02:50] <shaya> any idea why a setuid root program will run with a euid of the user running it?
[02:50] <shaya> when it never calls seteuid or the like
[02:50] <shaya> on gutsy
[02:56] <shaya> seems to be static vs dynamic oriented
[02:57] <shaya> weird
[02:58] <shaya> I'm an idiot
[02:58] <shaya> libtool was doing some funky script
[02:58] <shaya> can't setuid scripts
[03:31] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:31] <ion_> Night.
[07:09] <jmg> hey all
[07:09] <jmg> who should i pester about problems with a 2gb sd card under feisty?
[07:09] <jmg> im not sure where to file the bug or if a bug is even nescessary
[07:10] <Burgundavia> it is a kernel bug
[07:10] <Burgundavia> the proper time for reporting such issues is before release
[07:11] <jmg> well, it was a bug under edgy. the 2.6.20 changelog had an entry for adding sdhc support, I assumed that would fix it. Are you saying its too late and i should just foad?
[07:12] <jmg> how do I know its a kernel bug and not libusb/gnome-volume-manager?
[07:12] <jmg> answer, I dont.
[07:13] <jmg> thats not a very helpful response.
[07:14] <minghua> jmg: it's probably more helpful if you test gutsy and see if the problem is still there
[07:14] <minghua> jmg: and if yes, report it so that it can be fixed before release this time
[07:14] <jmg> minghua: right, i just distupgraded to feisty.
[07:16] <jmg> i dont particularly want to upgrade to gutsy to see if a bug is fixed there. I dont think generic users will want to either, they'll just go back to winxp.
[07:17] <RadiantFire> jmg: use a vm like qemu
[07:17] <ajmitch> that's not going to help much with a hardware problem
[07:17] <RadiantFire> it won't work if it is in userspace, it will if its a kernel bug?
[07:17] <RadiantFire> at least thats what i would think
[07:17] <minghua> jmg: then at least you can update the bug (I assume it's already reported) and say it's not fixed in feisty
[07:17] <RadiantFire> i do not know much about such things
[07:18] <minghua> jmg: comments on IRC will eventually get lost
[07:18] <jmg> minghua: i had a poke through lp looking for a bug report (fat16, sd), couldnt find one
[07:18] <jmg> minghua: but im trying to establish where the bug is and where to file it first
[07:19] <minghua> jmg: as Burgundavia said, report it against kernel
[07:19] <minghua> jmg: the developers will reassign it to the correct package if needed
[07:27] <jmg> minghua: 88147 has some clues
[07:27] <jmg> #88147
[07:30] <jmg> what is the kernels name in launchpad?
[08:09] <Hobbsee> seems not
[08:10] <Burgundavia> why so?
[08:10] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: was wondering if \sh's post was inappropriate for planet
[08:10] <Burgundavia> right
[08:10] <Hobbsee> figured i'd wait to see if anyone else mentioned it
[08:10] <Burgundavia> \sh is frequently borderline
[08:10] <Burgundavia> anyway, need ot sleep
[08:10] <Hobbsee> i know...
[08:10] <Hobbsee> night!
[09:38] <Lure> Mithrandir: can you give-back kdegraphics to pick up new poppler package dependancies?
[09:49] <bonii> j #fedora-devel
[10:01] <Treenaks> bonii: wrong channel ;)
[10:02] <bonii> Treenaks: Not exactly, I was joining that channel as well for the / :-)
[10:02] <bonii> Treenaks: *forgot
[10:44] <Riddell> Lure: it's a holiday today in most places
[10:47] <Lure> Riddell: oh, right...
[11:36] <tepsipakki> I guess no package that build-deps on non-free java gets built and included in the distro (because it tries to ask a question, which fails)?
[11:36] <tepsipakki> I was looking for fop, but it's waiting on libbatik-java which doesn't build because of that
[11:38] <shawarma> fop's in its way in? Nice.
[11:39] <tepsipakki> shawarma: doesn't look like it
[11:40] <tepsipakki> it's been in debian for ages
[11:59] <keescook> hunh.  is this actually a free license?  http://bastard.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/bastard/libdisasm/LICENSE?revision=1.1
[11:59] <keescook> while it would allow debian/ubuntu to redistribute it, I'm not sure that would get past NEW
[12:02] <geser> is it the same licence text as in /usr/share/common-licenses/Artistic?
[12:02] <persia> keescook: I'm not an authority, but section 4 looks worrying to me: there's no provision for only including instructions on getting modified source with the package, so 4d might apply.
[12:03] <keescook> geser: except for the initial paragraph, it matches Artistic
[12:04] <keescook> specifically "however it cannot be incorporated into a commercial product --aside from OS distributions and other collections of user software-- without the express permission of the developer."
[12:06] <geser> is that an additional clause or a human understandable summary of the licence?
[12:07] <keescook> geser: afaict, it's an additional clause.  :(
[12:08] <geser> besides the commercial product part is sounds like paragraph 5
[12:09] <maswan> kylem: Did you have a kernel for me to test?
[12:09] <keescook> oh... and they dropped Artistic item #8 too.
[12:09] <keescook> (and then renumbered stuff)
[12:10] <Fujitsu> Why do people have to invent their own licenses?
[12:11] <StevenK> Because they wish to be thpecial.
[12:40] <ompaul> Fujitsu, because they are broken?
[12:41] <Fujitsu> ompaul: Probably.
[12:41] <ompaul> it is a design flaw to remake the wheel ;-) file a bug :)
[12:57] <st3> hi everybody, i'm a maintainer of bcm43xx
[12:57] <st3> some ubuntu users are reporting a broken bcm43xx driver, so i'd like to know what driver version you put into ubuntu kernel "2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP x86_64"
[12:59] <persia> st3: You might have better luck in #ubuntu-kernel (although someone may also answer here)
[12:59] <st3> thank you
[02:07] <cprov> siretart: ping
[02:45] <Hobbsee> heya all
[02:49] <mdke> hiya Hobbsee 
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hey mdke!  how's it going?
[02:50] <mdke> well thanks. a much needed public holiday
[02:50] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:50] <Hobbsee> i hear we get one in 3 weeks or so.  shudder.
[02:51] <StevenK> Two weeks. The 11th of June
[02:51] <Hobbsee> two.  even worse.
[02:51] <StevenK> And what's so bad about public holidays?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> StevenK: because i usually end up having to work them.
[02:52] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Ahhh.
[02:52] <Hobbsee> StevenK: and we get a higher number of COH's than usual, which is particuarly good, as almost always, our computer systems will completely break down too
[02:52] <StevenK> Neat.
[03:15] <kylem> maswan, yeah
[03:15] <kylem> sorry, just started the day here.
[03:19] <maswan> kylem: no problem, just let me know when we can try it. we recently managed to find a test case that triggers the page allocation failure in .55 but not .53.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> mdz_: elmo ping.
[03:33] <mdz_> Hobbsee: hmm?
[03:41] <\sh> mdz, please can you remove my launchpad account, thx
[03:44] <Hobbsee_> GRRR @ BIGPOND.
[03:44] <mdz> \sh: no, I can't.  I believe launchpad-users is the place to ask for that if you want it
[03:44] <Hobbsee> [23:33]  <Hobbsee> mdz: could you step into #ubuntu-motu please?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> [23:34]  --> Demitar has joined this channel (n=demitar@c-212-031-190-120.cust.broadway.se).
[03:44] <Hobbsee> [23:34]  <Hobbsee> mdz: we've having a discussion on the inappropriateness of posts for planet, and it'd probably help to have someone official there
[03:44] <Hobbsee> [23:34]  <Hobbsee> mdz: i can give you a backlog if you like
[03:44] <mdz> Hobbsee: I'm there, backlog would be helpful
[03:45] <\sh> mdz, well, fyi, I removed my rights, and my CoC...please remove my blog from planet, just because I can't anymore...I'll step back from all my duties
[03:45] <StevenK> Hobbsee: You missed what \sh said in -motu.
[03:45] <mdz> \sh: that's your choice, but seriously, I don't administer planet either
[03:46] <\sh> mdz, hmm.but yoiu have a ssh key for it ;) and are in the right place of LP...so you can adjust the planet.config
[03:46] <jikanter> ls
[03:46] <Hobbsee> StevenK: no i didnt - LongPointyStick 
[03:46] <tkamppeter> pitti, hi
[03:46] <jikanter> oops, sorry wrong place to type that
[03:46] <Hobbsee> mdz: grabbing it now.  internet dropped out, had to physically go and reset the cable & router.  http://rafb.net/p/zyjUBn76.html
[03:46] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Oh, right
[03:47] <Hobbsee> StevenK: that's part of the reason for me keeping it there - for when the ISP screws up...
[03:47] <shawarma> \sh: You're still member of ubuntu-members... You should be able to do it yourself.
[03:47] <jikanter> ls
[03:50] <\sh> shawarma, nope...I disabled my CoC and my ssh key
[04:00] <pitti> hi tkamppeter 
[04:05] <tkamppeter> pitti, the hplip package dis not make it into Launchpad/archives.
[04:06] <pitti> weird
[04:09] <pitti> tkamppeter: did you get a mail about it?
[04:10] <pitti> tkamppeter: I uploaded it again; let me know what happens
[04:11] <ogra-classmate> pitti: are you aware of any jadetex breakage atm? i seem not to be able to use my puilder, after setting up 100 tex language packages it fails on the jadetex postinst
[04:11] <pitti> ogra-classmate: no, I'm not
[04:11] <ogra-classmate> hmm, weird
[04:11] <ogra-classmate> whats going on with these tex language packs ? do we really need them 
[04:12] <ogra-classmate> (i havent seen them before gutsy)
[04:12] <pitti> ogra-classmate: hm, its tetex|texlive dependencies should really be reversed, or tetex be dropped altogether
[04:12] <persia> ogra-classmate: I'm seeing the same thing.  I think it's because I had tetex-extras installed (still resolving).
[04:12] <pitti> ogra-classmate: the transitional tetex-extra package pulls in the entire texlive world, which is absolutely unnecessary as build-deps/depends
[04:12] <ogra-classmate> persia: well, its a pbuilder, i dont install stuff in there
[04:12] <ogra-classmate> yeah
[04:12] <pitti> ogra: Depends: ... tetex-extra | texlive-fonts-recommended
[04:13] <ogra-classmate> well, its not a g-p-m dep i think
[04:13] <pitti> ideally no package would have a prefered dependency on tetex any more
[04:13] <ogra-classmate> it hasnt
[04:13] <pitti> jadetex has
[04:13] <ogra-classmate> just checked
[04:14] <ogra-classmate> there is no tex at all in gnome-power-managers build deps
[04:14] <ogra-classmate> ah, wait
[04:14] <ogra-classmate> docbook-utils
[04:14] <pitti> ogra-classmate: docbook-utils or gnome-doc-utls perhaps?
[04:14] <pitti> right
[04:15] <ogra-classmate> gah
[04:15] <pitti> ogra-classmate: in Debian it's fixed; so someone should merge jadetex
[04:16] <ogra-classmate> well, apparently nobody noticed it(which is very weird, i saw it before i started classmate hacking on monday and just thought my pbuilder was outdated and didnt bother)
[04:17] <ogra-classmate> seb128 didnt see it in his pbuilder 
[04:22] <pitti> BenC: ugh, I just looked at /proc/kcore out of interest
[04:22] <pitti> -r-------- 1 root root 256T 2007-05-28 16:21 /proc/kcore
[04:22] <pitti> 256 TB??
[04:22] <Mithrandir> mine's 2GB here
[04:22] <BenC> kcore is virtual
[04:22] <kylem> pitti, amd64?
[04:22] <mjg59> pitti: That's your entire address space
[04:22] <BenC> hmm, mines same size as physical mem too
[04:23] <mjg59> Oh, hmm.
[04:23] <mjg59> Yeah, mine's physical rather than virtual
[04:24] <pitti> kylem: yep
[04:24] <mjg59> But 40 bits sounds right for amd64 physical address space right now
[04:24] <kylem> 64bit arch with a huge discontiguous space.
[04:24] <kylem> what's the memory map look like?
[04:24] <kylem> e820-map or whatever they call it?
[04:24] <pitti> ls: /proc/*map*: No such file or directory
[04:25] <kylem> iz in dmesg.
[04:25] <kylem> right at the top.
[04:26] <pitti> Mithrandir: yep, on my i386 server (2.6.20, too) it is 897 MB, which is the physical memory minus vmlinux size (or so)
[04:26] <Mithrandir> you don't have 1GB on the box?
[04:26] <pitti> Mithrandir: I actually do have a gig
[04:27] <pitti> kylem: http://paste.stgraber.org/1187
[04:27] <pitti> BenC: so I guess we really do need some mmap() magic on this rather than just copying it entirely to a .crash report
[04:28] <mjg59> pitti: ...
[04:28] <Mithrandir> pitti: use a kernel with HIGHMEM enabled and you'll be able to use another 100-odd MB.
[04:28] <mjg59> pitti: I think so :)
[04:28] <pitti> Mithrandir: I'll try that, thanks
[04:33] <BenC> pitti: For you test maybe, but for real vmcore, it wont look like that, it you'll be using the makedump command that will be in kexec-tools
[04:34] <pitti> BenC: ah, great; I'll use that in the test as well then
[04:34] <BenC> pitti: Right, the makedump command will pull the bits for kcore that it needs, so you can use that for testing
[04:35] <tkamppeter> pitti, you answered me that you uploaded it (on Friday or so), but it never arrived.
[04:36] <sbalneav> cjwatson: Thanks for the hint.  Got it going over the weekend with openpty() and login_tty().
[04:36] <pitti> tkamppeter: it worked this time
[04:36] <ogra-classmate> sbalneav: ???
[04:36] <ogra-classmate> REALLY ?
[04:36] <sbalneav> Yep.
[04:37] <ogra-classmate> whoops sorry :)
[04:37] <sbalneav> lol
[04:53] <maswan> kylem: well, let me know when you find it so we can test it tomorrow then. :)
[04:54] <kylem> maswan, which email would you like?
[06:31] <CarlFK> what package should I report a bug against that is a problem wiht : alt install's proxy setting and apt-cacher
[06:52] <Arby> are there any kernel people around?
[06:53] <Arby> how do I go about triaging bug 117314?
[06:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117314 in linux-source-2.6.20 "latest kernel(2.6.20-16.28) update gives boot problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117314
[06:59] <siretart> cprov: pong
[07:00] <cprov> siretart: hey, sorry for the "ping-on-holiday"
[07:00] <cprov> siretart: it's not anything urgent. Anyway pvt.
[07:13] <tkamppeter> It seems that something is not consistent on the build server. See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hplip/1.7.3-0ubuntu2
[07:15] <Mithrandir> tkamppeter: no, it has nothing to do with the buildds.
[07:15] <Mithrandir> libsnmp9-dev, which you build-depend on (directly or indirectly) isn't working atm.
[07:19] <tkamppeter> Do I have to replace it by something else for Gutsy or do I simply have to wait until the libsnmp9 maintainer fixes it.
[07:34] <tkamppeter> Mithrandir, what about the libsnmp9-dev issue?
[07:36] <maswan> kylem: this is workstuff, so maswan@hpc2n.umu.se would be great. :)
[07:36] <kylem> ok.
[07:52] <jovan> is there a daily build iso or whatever of gutsy?
[07:52] <Mithrandir> not yet
[07:53] <jovan> how can i test it otherwise?
[07:53] <Mithrandir> install 7.04 and upgrade
[07:53] <jovan> hhm
[07:53] <jovan> ok
[08:10] <CarlFK> should I bother reporting bugs in the gutsy installer? (it tries to mount proc before /proc is created)