| nixternal | jjesse: can you give me that patch in txt format? | 01:12 |
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| nixternal | it is in html format on lp | 01:12 |
| nixternal | actually, I can just edit manually | 01:13 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: well, since you don't know about Qt and C++, I'm sure you know about KDE documentation | 01:41 |
| nixternal | what is that? | 01:41 |
| ryanakca | does anybody with 'gobby' installed feel like "mentoring" me in rewriting my KMail + gpg-agent article? | 01:41 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: you want to know the easiest way to do what you want? | 01:42 |
| nixternal | download and use Desktop MoinMoin | 01:42 |
| ryanakca | Desktop MoinMoin? okies | 01:42 |
| nixternal | you can do it in wiki, and then export to docbook with the new version | 01:42 |
| ryanakca | And... what do I want? | 01:42 |
| ryanakca | ah | 01:42 |
| nixternal | ya, I have been messing with it here lately | 01:42 |
| nixternal | it is actually working fairly well | 01:43 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: hmmm. If I'm exporting it to docbook... where is it going? I was thinking it would go into Community Documentation on help.u.c... | 01:45 |
| nixternal | ahh, then no need to export it to docbook..I thought that is why you asked for mentoring | 01:46 |
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| nixternal | gotcha | 01:46 |
| nixternal | you can always post it to the wiki and work from there..much easier than asking me to fireup gobby ;) | 01:46 |
| ryanakca | hmmm... but I'm more than willing to convert it to docbook, and you can stick it somewheres | 01:47 |
| nixternal | I am afraid of where you might want me to stick it ;p | 01:47 |
| ryanakca | I dunno | 01:47 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: I would love to put it into KDE documentation for one, and if it doesn't fit there well do to it being distro dependant, then I would love to have it in Kubuntu docs | 01:48 |
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| ryanakca | It would have to be distro dependant... | 01:48 |
| nixternal | speaking of manpages, I actually have to create one in order to be considered for a debian developer | 01:49 |
| nixternal | that one through me for a loop | 01:49 |
| ryanakca | hehe | 01:49 |
| ryanakca | get a KDE app and run kdemangen.pl on it :P | 01:49 |
| nixternal | hehe | 01:49 |
| nixternal | isn't there a xml or docbook 2 man? | 01:50 |
| ryanakca | You created it... kindof... | 01:50 |
| nixternal | I have used help2man before | 01:50 |
| ryanakca | hmmm | 01:52 |
| jjesse | nixternal: did you get that patch correctly? | 02:04 |
| nixternal | I just did it by hand...it was spitting it out as html on lp..did you select the patch button? | 02:04 |
| jjesse | hmm don't remember what i did, i thought i just attached a file | 02:04 |
| nixternal | ya, if it is a patch you need to select the patch checkbox just under the folder icon when you attach | 02:05 |
| jjesse | ok, will do in the future | 02:05 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: Any idea what the gentoo documentation is released under? | 02:12 |
| jjesse | license wise? | 02:12 |
| nixternal | gfdl I thought | 02:13 |
| nixternal | cc-by-sa for us | 02:13 |
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| ryanakca | but.. if someone is going to be installing gpg-agent with kmail, they know what gpg, -agent and kmail are. | 02:13 |
| nixternal | http://gentoo-wiki.com/Gentoo_Linux_Wiki:Copyrights | 02:14 |
| nixternal | Unless otherwise stated, the content of this wiki is in public domain. | 02:14 |
| ryanakca | ah, so, safe to include the What is gpg-agent blurb? | 02:15 |
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| ryanakca | nixternal: how do you include boxes like those in http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_KMail_gpg-agent_kde#Setup for moinmoin? I know I could use tables, but anything more elegant? | 02:34 |
| nixternal | not in our version unfortunately | 02:34 |
| jjesse | nixternal: email message sent, please add in your .02 | 02:34 |
| nixternal | will do | 02:35 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: done. | 03:12 |
| ryanakca | I just have do figure out how to place a paragraph in a table though... it seems to be ignoring [[BR] ] | 03:12 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KMailGPGAgent#preview | 03:14 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, bzr again | 04:32 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: have you been doing any docs in bzr? | 04:34 |
| nixternal | no buntu docs no | 04:34 |
| nixternal | messing with jjesse docs, and kubuntu-system-settings, and a couple of websites..and the list goes on | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | I'm pretty hesitant still | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | I want to see LP with the smartserver stuff | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | and time that and see how fast it is | 04:35 |
| nixternal | it is a tad bit faster now..hell, I can commit faster with bzr than I can doc svn right now | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | yeah, but commit speed hasn't really ever been an issue I don't think | 04:38 |
| nixternal | nah, just the initial checkout is slow | 04:38 |
| crimsun | the initial commit, too. | 04:38 |
| nixternal | and remember you are pulling in the entire history as well | 04:38 |
| crimsun | and quadruply so on a 33.6kbps | 04:38 |
| crimsun | remember not all of us are on broadband. | 04:38 |
| nixternal | and we need to see if there was an issue with the export from svn to the import of bzr as well | 04:38 |
| nixternal | crimsun: then I suggest they get broadband ;) | 04:38 |
| crimsun | nixternal: tell that to the providers. | 04:39 |
| nixternal | there are only 8 contribs at most to docs anyways right now :) | 04:39 |
| nixternal | point me to them, I will gettum | 04:39 |
| crimsun | I'll suffer for a few more weeks. After I move, I'll just get fiber. | 04:39 |
| nixternal | oooh | 04:40 |
| nixternal | living in DC, there is fiber everywhere | 04:40 |
| LaserJock | jjesse usually uses dialup | 04:40 |
| crimsun | yes, and I won't be paying for it. :) | 04:40 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: but that is understandable with jjesse seeing most of his neighbors just purchased AOL accounts. I know where he lives...remember Deliverance? :) | 04:40 |
| nixternal | SQUEEL!!! | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | I think we can handle dialup users by providing weekly/monthly tarballs | 04:44 |
| nixternal | that isn't to bad of an idea..but only if we get them asking | 04:45 |
| crimsun | weekly could be managed. I'd rsync, much as I do now. | 04:46 |
| nixternal | also with bzr you can do the lightweight checkouts | 04:47 |
| LaserJock | yeah, but then ... | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | why not just keep using svn | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | the thing is, with our current workflow I really don't see any real advantage with bzr | 04:49 |
| nixternal | just trying to be like everyone else ;) | 04:49 |
| nixternal | lets switch to git | 04:49 |
| nixternal | ;p | 04:49 |
| LaserJock | well, switch RCS just 'cause is pretty stupid, IMO | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | I think we need to sort of rework workflow/repo structure if we want to use bzr | 04:59 |
| nixternal | oh most definitely | 05:00 |
| nixternal | I think having xubuntu-docs, kubuntu-docs, edubuntu-docs, and ubuntu-docs all within the Ubuntu Documentation Project would be good | 05:00 |
| nixternal | or could be good rather | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | yeah, but that means reworking things | 05:01 |
| nixternal | well, I can easily separate kubuntu docs from svn w/o any issues | 05:01 |
| nixternal | I would need trunk/libs and thats about it | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | the svn structure is specificly designed to minimize redundancy | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | and to enourage collaboration, team spirit | 05:05 |
| jjesse | sorry was afk playing madden and now heading to bed | 05:06 |
| jjesse | i'm on dsl now | 05:06 |
| jjesse | and thanks nixternal | 05:06 |
| jjesse | svn just seems more cumbersome to maintain | 05:07 |
| jjesse | anyways email the list as i'm off to bed | 05:07 |
| LaserJock | it's only cumbersome because he keeps forgetting his svn password ;-) | 05:09 |
| nixternal | hahahahahahahaha | 05:12 |
| nixternal | you know what we should do if we keep svn | 05:12 |
| nixternal | svn+ssh | 05:12 |
| nixternal | that way there you can't lose your key | 05:12 |
| nixternal | debian is svn+ssh, kde is svn+ssh | 05:12 |
| LaserJock | yeah, seems like that would help | 05:22 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #117382 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Usability of 'Manually Mounting and Unmounting File Systems'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117382 | 06:35 |
| ubotu | New bug: #48852 in ubuntu-docs (main) "relogin isn't sufficient for xserver config changes [desktopguide - config-system] " [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48852 | 06:40 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 06:41 |
| mdke | nixternal: outrageous... encouraging people to post howtos on their blogs | 08:59 |
| LaserJock | heh | 09:05 |
| nixternal | lol | 09:10 |
| nixternal | I knew you would say something about that :) | 09:10 |
| mdke | I've actually been planning a plea for bloggers to contribute their howtos to the wiki | 09:12 |
| mdke | there is a lot of good material out there which doesn't get near the wiki :( | 09:13 |
| LaserJock | I suppose | 09:14 |
| nixternal | I am getting ready to do a Howto on Howto post a Howto :) | 09:14 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 09:14 |
| LaserJock | I do find a lot of good stuff on blogs | 09:14 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| mdke | especially the more technical stuff | 09:15 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 09:16 |
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| mdke | so LaserJock, what about this bzr business | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | heh | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | if LP gets the bzr smartserver then the speed should be quite a bit improved | 09:29 |
| mdke | I don't think the "waiting on RT" issue is a big one | 09:29 |
| mdke | it's speed vs convenience of using LP | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | and if it doesn't have smartserver right now I think it's going to be real soon now | 09:30 |
| mdke | is the speed poor even if you use it without downloading the whole history? | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | it's still a bit slower than svn, but not nearly as much as a full branching | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | each release of bzr gets faster and faster | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | the biggest reason I can see | 09:31 |
| mdke | right | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | would be the ability to check out just kubuntu docs, or edubuntu docs, etc. | 09:31 |
| mdke | I'm not really sure about that | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | I see quite a few people that one to contribute to a specific area | 09:32 |
| mdke | there is common stuff for all of them | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | but they get overwhelmed with having the whole repo | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | I agree | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | that's why I'm hesitant about | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | *what | 09:32 |
| mdke | let's think this through | 09:32 |
| mdke | what would be the consequence of keeping all the packages separately? | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | well, I think it could depend on how we do it | 09:33 |
| mdke | theoretically, not much; I guess. A small amount of effort to keep the common stuff updated across them all. In practice, I suspect that it would be problematic in terms of each sub-group following what the others are doing | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | I *think* we could split it up into something like common, ubuntu, edubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, teamstuff | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | so if you want to work on kubuntu you could get a branch of common and kubuntu | 09:34 |
| mdke | hmm | 09:35 |
| mdke | I don't like that much | 09:35 |
| LaserJock | for technical reasons? | 09:35 |
| mdke | no :) | 09:35 |
| LaserJock | right | 09:35 |
| mdke | just a feeling | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | me too | 09:36 |
| mdke | I don't have a problem with nuking common and simply putting the relevant docs into each branch | 09:36 |
| mdke | I'm just concerned that the benefits of having us all working together would be lost | 09:36 |
| mdke | fragmentation etc | 09:37 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I can certainly understand that | 09:37 |
| LaserJock | although I'm not sure if I like the idea of having a technical constraint in order to keep the team together | 09:38 |
| mdke | but then again, do any other packages which appear in kubuntu, edubuntu and ubuntu share the same branch or source package? | 09:38 |
| LaserJock | not that I know of | 09:39 |
| mdke | maybe *ubuntu-desktop | 09:39 |
| nixternal | there we go...howto post a howto | 09:39 |
| LaserJock | those are done from separate source | 09:39 |
| LaserJock | the -desktops are separate source built from seed files that are in bzr in ~ubuntu-core-dev | 09:39 |
| nixternal | svn co https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kubuntu | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | ideally that's the situation I'd like to see with the docs | 09:40 |
| nixternal | ya, so that doesn't work out well | 09:40 |
| mdke | LaserJock: can you explain how that works? | 09:40 |
| nixternal | only thing though, that won't pull in the trunk/libs or trunk/common | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | mdke: well, the seed files are stored in bzr in ~ubuntu-core-dev | 09:41 |
| nixternal | I think another reason was hit on my LaserJock last night, and that was the "forgetting of passwords"...which could be curbed by using svn+ssh | 09:41 |
| LaserJock | each derive and release is a separate branch | 09:41 |
| mdke | nixternal: or the writing down of passwords | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | so edubuntu-feisty, ubuntu-gutsy, etc. | 09:42 |
| nixternal | mdke: that makes to much sense thoug ;) | 09:42 |
| nixternal | s/thoug/though | 09:42 |
| mdke | nixternal: jjesse's problem is that he keeping forgetting his gnupg password, which is *quite odd*. I have no confidence that he will remember his ssh key password better :) | 09:43 |
| nixternal | and using svn+ssh would also prevent us from having to go to RT everytime to add a user...we would just add their key to a script file in svn | 09:43 |
| nixternal | but ssh doesn't use your gpg password | 09:43 |
| mdke | no, it uses your ssh password/phrase | 09:43 |
| nixternal | it uses a plain text password | 09:43 |
| nixternal | our svn uses some silly password..it don't use my ssh password either...I have the password in a txt file in ~/.ssh | 09:44 |
| mdke | no, you've missed the point | 09:44 |
| nixternal | I shouldn't say silly, but it uses plain text when it is just ssh | 09:44 |
| mdke | he can't remember his GNUPG key password in order to decrypt the email with his svn password | 09:44 |
| nixternal | are we talking bzr or ssh with the ssh password/phrase | 09:44 |
| nixternal | mdke: oh..hahahaGHAHAH@H#@ | 09:45 |
| mdke | if he can't remember that, then why will he be able to remember his ssh password? | 09:45 |
| nixternal | holy smokes I did not catch that | 09:45 |
| mdke | :) | 09:45 |
| mdke | anyway, RT is quite quick with svn requests nowadays | 09:45 |
| mdke | still, if there are reasons to use bzr over svn, then we should consider it anyway | 09:46 |
| nixternal | only thing I don't like about using svn is if I lose my laptop, someone can commit quite easily...svn+ssh curbs that as well...a little more security really | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I think it's minimally more convenient to do authentication via LP team | 09:46 |
| nixternal | well I think waiting for the module that LaserJock was referring to may be best | 09:46 |
| mdke | LaserJock: nod | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | I think the strongest point is that bzr would open up new workflows | 09:47 |
| nixternal | and we can give it a shot in a bit | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | not that it makes our current workflow better | 09:47 |
| mdke | potentially we could move to bzr and keep a single repo, and then consider split repos later | 09:47 |
| nixternal | well, people can create their own personal bzr branch if needed, and we would still be able to pull from it and merge it into svn quite easily | 09:47 |
| nixternal | and vice-versa | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I think really we perhaps need a spec/wiki page | 09:48 |
| LaserJock | we need to get the bzr guys (like lifeless) to help us out | 09:48 |
| mdke | ok. are you volunteering? | 09:49 |
| nixternal | another thing I could possibly take a little flak over is licensing...it seems there may be some unhappy people coming down the tubes since Kubuntu docs are CC-by-SA and not GFDL anymore. I am guessing the KDE and Debian guys that have used some of our docs and vice-versa in the past | 09:49 |
| nixternal | Riddell pinged me earlier but has yet to respond | 09:49 |
| nixternal | I will keep you abreast of the situation though | 09:50 |
| mdke | debian has used our docs? | 09:50 |
| nixternal | ya..I didn't know that until I got emailed today by one | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | well | 09:50 |
| mdke | oh well; they are still free to do so :) | 09:50 |
| mdke | it's not like we've closed anything up | 09:50 |
| nixternal | cc-by-sa == non-free to Debian Policy though | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | the email said they think the docs should be done more in collaboration | 09:50 |
| mdke | nixternal: so is gfdl | 09:51 |
| nixternal | the list email did | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | for debian it has to be GPL | 09:51 |
| nixternal | yup | 09:51 |
| nixternal | or MIT/BSD and such | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | well, it has to be compatible with GPL | 09:51 |
| mdke | I haven't seen these emails | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | i.e. not GFDL or CC | 09:52 |
| LaserJock | mdke: nixternal when and made a mistake by emailing the debian documentation mailing list | 09:52 |
| nixternal | I am guessing with the new release of the GFDL that is due out about the same time as the GPL v3 | 09:52 |
| nixternal | haha LaserJock | 09:52 |
| mdke | spontaneously? | 09:52 |
| mdke | or prompted by something else? | 09:53 |
| nixternal | I had helped with one of their documents prior...not spontaneously | 09:53 |
| nixternal | prompted by a KDE/Debian talk last night | 09:53 |
| mdke | so they have used some of our documentation, and can no longer do so? | 09:53 |
| nixternal | well from the talk in #kde-docs yesterday that would be a yes...on the Kubuntu side of things | 09:54 |
| nixternal | Debian doesn't have much KDE help it seems | 09:54 |
| mdke | what did they use? | 09:54 |
| nixternal | I couldn't tell you | 09:54 |
| nixternal | I haven't even seen a KDE based doc out of them truthfully | 09:54 |
| mdke | It seems really strange the idea that *our* upstream is complaining about our licensing | 09:55 |
| nixternal | I wonder how they use KDE documentation then seeing it is GFDL | 09:55 |
| mdke | anyone, bbl | 09:55 |
| mdke | anyway* | 09:55 |
| nixternal | hehe | 09:55 |
| nixternal | later | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | GFDL is ok as long as it doesn't have invariant sections | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | I think | 09:55 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: you are correct...I tend to forget about the invariance | 09:56 |
| LaserJock | which is not cool, in some instances | 09:56 |
| LaserJock | Debian had to basically strip out the TeX documentation | 09:57 |
| LaserJock | and RMS isn't so happy :-) | 09:57 |
| nixternal | RMS should know better though | 09:57 |
| LaserJock | yeah, but he made some really good sense | 09:57 |
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| nixternal | I was told by Peter Brown that they are supposedly removing the "invariant sections" part(s) | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | like he set the license in the doc as a invariant section | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | *an | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | because you should be changing the license, right? | 09:58 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: fixed a few typos, etc in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KMailGPGAgent ... how do I export to docbook with Moin Moin desktop? | 09:59 |
| nixternal | in the drop down menu there is the option | 10:00 |
| ryanakca | hmmm. Okies | 10:00 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: I should be changing it? | 10:00 |
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| LaserJock | nixternal: changing what/ | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | ? | 10:04 |
| nixternal | [ LaserJock] because you should be changing the license, right? | 10:04 |
| nixternal | which license? and why me? | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | bah | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | let me rewrite my sentence | 10:05 |
| nixternal | lol | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | RMS set the licensing section of documentation as invariant | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | since people deriving from the work shouldn't be changing the text of the license | 10:05 |
| nixternal | ahh, got it | 10:05 |
| nixternal | yes you are correct | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | like if I working from a doc that was GFDL I shouldn't be able to reword the GFDL | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | so that really did make sense to me | 10:06 |
| nixternal | correct...at least what I could gather from the Debian lists from 2004 when that all started | 10:06 |
| nixternal | I also noticed that while watching the GPL v3 highlights where people could leave messages, I swore I seen the "invariant" section in there as well | 10:07 |
| nixternal | and someone commented on it | 10:07 |
| LaserJock | so according to the GFDL you can only make "secondary" material as invariant | 10:07 |
| LaserJock | which is another reason I don't mind it | 10:07 |
| nixternal | right | 10:08 |
| nixternal | there is a "Secondary" and "Invariant" section | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | so I really don't have a problem with GFDL | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | but I can sort of see where it'd be DFSG non-free | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | but I think it's an area where DFSG is a big pain in the butt and not realistic | 10:08 |
| nixternal | OK, so the invariant applies to the secondary | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | you can *only* mak invariant a secondary section | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | "Secondary Section" is a named appendix or a front-matter section of | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | the Document that deals exclusively with the relationship of the | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | publishers or authors of the Document to the Document's overall subject | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | (or to related matters) and contains nothing that could fall directly | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | within that overall subject. | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | oops didn't mean to paste that much | 10:09 |
| nixternal | hehe, I have it open reading it as well | 10:10 |
| LaserJock | so I really don't see why those invariant sections restricte anything meaningful | 10:10 |
| nixternal | ya, me either | 10:10 |
| nixternal | I need to re-read that debian list again to see their reasoning | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | but definition it doesn't effect the real contents of the doc | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | well, they don't care how significant it is, I think | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | if it restricts modification in anyway I think it's non-DFSG | 10:11 |
| nixternal | that legal mumbu jumbo is enough to drive someone to drink | 10:12 |
| nixternal | s/mumbu/mumbo | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 10:13 |
| LaserJock | I really dislike licensing, especially doc licensing | 10:13 |
| nixternal | hehe, it should just say "You are free to do whatever" | 10:13 |
| LaserJock | but then ... do I want people to do "whatever"? | 10:14 |
| LaserJock | I go between wanting to MIT everything I do | 10:14 |
| LaserJock | to wanting to make everything proprietary evilness ;-) | 10:14 |
| nixternal | the MIT license from what I can understand isn't to shabby, nor is the BSD license | 10:14 |
| nixternal | the BSD license will allow you to make it proprietary evilness | 10:15 |
| nixternal | what exactly is a "front-matter section" | 10:15 |
| nixternal | never mind, that same sentence tries to explain it | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | like I was thinking the other day what it'd be like to find out code I'd written as used by hackers/terrorists/bad guys to do harm | 10:16 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: where would you like the docbook for the KMail thing? ubuntu-doc ML? | 10:16 |
| nixternal | you can put it there or fire it off to me | 10:17 |
| nixternal | make sure you dual license that bad boy though so I can use it with Kubuntu docs as well as KDE docs | 10:17 |
| nixternal | ;D | 10:17 |
| ryanakca | dual license... | 10:18 |
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| ryanakca | send me the legal blurb/tell me how to do that, and sure | 10:19 |
| nixternal | in order for me to be able to use your work, you need to license it either GFDL for KDE or CC-by-SA for Kubuntu, or both :) | 10:20 |
| nixternal | you can explicitly state that in a signed email as well | 10:20 |
| nixternal | if you do, at least link me to the GFDL and the CC-by-SA 2.5 license | 10:21 |
| ryanakca | Kubuntu won't take GFDL? | 10:21 |
| nixternal | instead of attaching the huge things there | 10:21 |
| ryanakca | ox | 10:21 |
| ryanakca | ok | 10:21 |
| nixternal | nope, only CC-by-SA unless Riddell pushes for GFDL/GPL | 10:21 |
| LaserJock | ohhh for goodness sakes :/ | 10:21 |
| nixternal | hehe | 10:21 |
| LaserJock | sorry, just reading planet :( | 10:22 |
| nixternal | lol | 10:22 |
| nixternal | which one? | 10:22 |
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| nixternal | ryanakca: something tells me that his ping earlier was going to get into that | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: \sh leaving Ubuntu ... again | 10:23 |
| nixternal | I just noticed he is back online | 10:23 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: hahahaha | 10:23 |
| nixternal | you are just now reading about it? | 10:23 |
| nixternal | you didn't see them arguing in motu earlier? | 10:23 |
| nixternal | I am upset with the fact they a) argued it out in a public channel, and b) it got posted tot he planet afterwards | 10:24 |
| nixternal | that is the stuff the FUD/anti-Ubuntu people love to see | 10:24 |
| nixternal | you know, and Dell enjoys seeing it as well | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | darn it | 10:25 |
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| nixternal | holy smokes, I just read the 2006 vote for the GFDL and the DFSG...talk about mind boggling | 10:45 |
| nixternal | so now I totally understand the "secondary section" | 10:45 |
| nixternal | it is the a section created with the beliefs and/or opinions of the author...therefor the author makes that section invariant | 10:46 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: hmmm. Do I need to add the licenses as a comment in the docbook file? | 10:46 |
| nixternal | which is commendable, as you wouldn't want anyone editing and changing your beliefs/opinions and still calling them yours | 10:47 |
| nixternal | it makes sense, and I agree with option 3, it would be considered unethical to do so | 10:47 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: you probably should | 10:47 |
| nixternal | bbiaf..need to check up on the weather outside | 10:47 |
| ryanakca | comments... <!-- comment --> | 10:47 |
| ryanakca | ok | 10:47 |
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| nixternal | sure | 10:54 |
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| ryanakca | nixternal: hmmm. And, saving the file messes up the structure... *points to #docbook* | 10:58 |
| ryanakca | any idea? | 11:01 |
| ryanakca | weee! I fixed it with `tidy` | 11:03 |
| nixternal | <!-- Dual License under GFDL and CC-by-SA --> | 11:05 |
| nixternal | haha | 11:05 |
| ryanakca | ah, that's all I need? | 11:08 |
| nixternal | and link to the licenses I guess | 11:09 |
| nixternal | but ifyou got it, don't worry about it then | 11:09 |
| === ryanakca had links to them, and the legal copyright blurb for GFDL | ||
| ryanakca | hmmm. | 11:09 |
| nixternal | you are good to go then | 11:09 |
| ryanakca | How do I "visualize"/read the docbook. I can see the xml stuff, but reading it? | 11:09 |
| ryanakca | rendering is probably a better term | 11:10 |
| nixternal | meinproc *.xml | 11:10 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: Error: CALS tables must specify the number of columns. | 11:19 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 11:19 |
| nixternal | send me the xml file, let me take a quick look at it | 11:20 |
| ryanakca | ok | 11:20 |
| nixternal | brb..I need to eat some food | 11:22 |
| ryanakca | sent | 11:22 |
| ryanakca | ok | 11:22 |
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| ryanakca | when you come back, I've cleaned up a bit of it, and fixed that error. It still doesn't properly generate the .html... it creates two files, one with intro and TOC, and another with conclusion. | 11:37 |
| ryanakca | http://blog.ryanak.ca/KMailGPGAgent.xml | 11:37 |
| nixternal | oh wow, the moin2docbook doesn't make a pretty output does it | 11:51 |
| nixternal | it actually creates invalid xml | 11:51 |
| ryanakca | hmmm | 11:56 |
| ryanakca | that's what it looks like after running tidy -m -i -xml KMailGPGAgent.xml on it, btw | 11:57 |
| ryanakca | feel free to mess around with the formatting... | 11:57 |
| nixternal | hrmm, from into to conclusion | 11:58 |
| nixternal | did you already post to the wiki this document? | 12:00 |
| nixternal | ya, that made sense | 12:00 |
| ryanakca | I have an old copy on the ubuntu wiki, just a sec | 12:00 |
| nixternal | where is your new copy wikified? | 12:00 |
| nixternal | wtf is up with me | 12:00 |
| nixternal | where is your new WIKIFIED copy | 12:01 |
| mdke | nixternal: what moin2docbook are you using? | 12:01 |
| nixternal | the latest in MoinMoin Personal Desktop | 12:01 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KMailGPGAgent | 12:01 |
| mdke | nixternal: ah, that is rubbish | 12:02 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: I had fixed it up on my desktop wiki, just had to update the help.ubuntu.com | 12:02 |
| nixternal | cool ryanakca | 12:02 |
| nixternal | is there another version mdke? | 12:02 |
| === ryanakca brb, restarting X | ||
| mdke | nixternal: there is a test wiki with the latest code, but it appears to be broken | 12:03 |
| nixternal | hrmm...maybe I can find the latest code and create a new plugin with it | 12:03 |
| mdke | that would be very helpful | 12:03 |
| mdke | http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/DocBook | 12:04 |
| mdke | Burgwork: damn; we have communication issues | 12:04 |
| === mdke beds | ||
| nixternal | g'nite | 12:09 |
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