[12:35] <Clarrisa_2008> sigmamul88, ok, here is the $100,000 question.  Is there a way I can disable the GUI in xubuntu for when I want this old machine to have as much speed as possible when it's just serving up web pages?
[12:35] <crimsun> by "disable", do you mean "not start by default on boot", or do you mean "not have installed"?
[12:35] <sigmamu188> Clarrisa_2008: that is over my head
[12:35] <sigmamu188> Clarrisa_2008: but i know you can
[12:36] <Clarrisa_2008> ok, np
[12:36] <crimsun> if you mean the former, then do this: sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[12:37] <Clarrisa_2008> hey do you know how to start krusader so that it always opens up both pains at the /Root rather than the last place I was at?
[12:37] <vidd> crimsun, i think Clarrisa_2008 want it to not auto-load on boot, but be available if (s)he needs to use it
[12:37] <Clarrisa_2008> vidd, yes, how can I do that???!!!
[12:37] <Clarrisa_2008> it's a she btw
[12:38] <vidd> Clarrisa_2008, crimsun just showed ya:  sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[12:38] <sigmamu188> what dose the chmod g-x command do
[12:38] <crimsun> well, that will prevent it from being started via init.d period
[12:38] <Clarrisa_2008> oh ok, sorry I missed that as I keep looking for replies in RED.... oops
[12:38] <sigmamu188> or maybe it was p-x
[12:39] <vidd> Clarrisa_2008, there are so many posers on the 'net that you can NEVER be 100% positive
[12:39] <vidd> =] 
[12:39] <Clarrisa_2008> crimsun, then how would I load it hwne I need it
[12:39] <Clarrisa_2008> I understand
[12:39] <sigmamu188> type xstart
[12:39] <crimsun> Clarrisa_2008: sudo sh /etc/init.d/gdm start
[12:39] <sigmamu188> i think
[12:39] <sigmamu188> then i was wrong
[12:39] <sigmamu188> lol
[12:39] <Clarrisa_2008> crimsun, cool, I will try that at now....
[12:39] <Clarrisa_2008> wish me luck
[12:40] <sigmamu188> Clarrisa_2008: lick
[12:40] <sigmamu188> Clarrisa_2008: luck
[12:40] <sigmamu188> lol
[12:40] <Clarrisa_2008> '-)
[12:40] <vidd> sigmamu188, that BETTER have been a typo!
[12:40] <vidd> X0
[12:41] <sigmamu188> vidd: totally a typo
[12:41] <Clarrisa_2008> i'm thinking it was partially a typo ;-)
[12:41] <sigmamu188> i think im going to blush
[12:42] <Clarrisa_2008> yeah right
[12:42] <Clarrisa_2008> ok, here it goes...
[12:43] <Clarrisa_2008> brb ----if ---it works
[12:44] <sigmamu188> ok time to go get my go juice
[12:44] <sigmamu188> coffee coffee coffee
[12:45] <Clarrisa_2008> hey is everyone still here?
[12:46] <Clarrisa_2008> crimsun, before I try the command you suggested.  I wanted to clarify something
[12:47] <Clarrisa_2008> you said sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm  but doesn't that command just change the permissions of a file?  I don't get how that would keep X from loading?
[12:47] <Clarrisa_2008> did I miss something?
[12:48] <vidd> yes....the file no longer has permissions to RUN
[12:48] <Clarrisa_2008> oh wow
[12:48] <Clarrisa_2008>  ok
[12:48] <Clarrisa_2008> so I could always chmod it back right?
[12:48] <crimsun> yes
[12:48] <Clarrisa_2008> if I wanted it to auto load each time for some reason
[12:48] <gnomefreak> somehow i think the -x isnt right :( man nor --help show -x
[12:48] <crimsun> the sudo sh[..]  command I gave you makes permissions moot.
[12:49] <Clarrisa_2008> so what would be the reverse of the doing sudo chmod  +x instead of -x?
[12:49] <vidd> Clarrisa_2008, yes
[12:49] <Clarrisa_2008> gnomefreak, the -x is wrong?
[12:49] <gnomefreak> Clarrisa_2008: i doubt it since its crimsun
[12:50] <crimsun> " The   format   of   a   symbolic   mode   is    [ugoa...] [[+-=] [rwxXstugo...] ...] [,...] .   Multiple symbolic operations can be given, separated by commas."
[12:50] <Clarrisa_2008> gnomefreak, why does that matter that it's crimsun?
[12:50] <gnomefreak> i cant remember the -x so i looked it up and man nor --help shows it
[12:50] <vidd> Clarrisa_2008, its like asking God if roses should be purple instead of red...
[12:50] <gnomefreak> Clarrisa_2008: ive known crimsun a long time he is very very good
[12:50] <vidd> well not quite...but close
[12:50] <crimsun> gnomefreak: second paragraph under DESCRIPTION of chmod(1)
[12:51] <gnomefreak> ah i see it
[12:51] <crimsun> Clarrisa_2008: the only reason you should trust me is that my key is in the Ubuntu uploaders keyring.
[12:51] <Clarrisa_2008> oh ok
[12:51] <crimsun> I'm neither smart nor proficient, but someone else must think I'm one of those. ;)
[12:52] <Clarrisa_2008> now that we are on that subject, how can I check keyrings?
[12:52] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:52] <gnomefreak> Clarrisa_2008: gpg --list-keys <email>
[12:52] <vidd> crimsun, that means you WRITE the stuff....right?
[12:52] <gnomefreak> or leave off email to see all
[12:52] <Clarrisa_2008> oh ok... I've used gpg, only on the windows platform only... good stuff
[12:52] <crimsun> vidd: it means nothing, really, other than what I said above :)
[12:52] <gnomefreak> vidd: it means he can upload
[12:53] <Clarrisa_2008> brb
[12:55] <vidd> crimsun, can you recomend a asript to auto backup the contents of a specific directory and all it's sub folders?....like say a wb site?
[12:56] <crimsun> script? Hmm, I don't know ones off the top of my head, but you certainly could use some combination of packages.
[12:56] <crimsun> e.g., hubackup, rsync, cron, amanda, etc.
[01:03] <Clarrisa_2008> hey people! that worked great crimsun
[01:04] <crimsun> excellent.
[01:04] <Clarrisa_2008> at first I thought it wasn't going to, because at boot up, I still saw the little xfce logo with the little mouse guy in the middle, and it had the progress bar going across, but after that was done, it just left me at the bash prompt
[01:05] <Clarrisa_2008> so does that mean it's still hogging up a ton of resources even though I'm not at the desktop?
[01:13] <Jester45> vidd come in the channel
[01:13] <Clarrisa_2008> On my channels to join irc.freenode.net I have: #ubuntu #xubuntu    but it only joins ubuntu
[01:13] <Clarrisa_2008> what do I do to make it join several that I list
[01:13] <Jester45> do you have xubuntu as auto join
[01:15] <Clarrisa_2008> jester45, the xchat I'm using just has a box in the connection properties for this network and it's labeled "Channels to Join: " and I have #ubuntu #xubuntu in it
[01:15] <Clarrisa_2008> jester45, the xchat I'm using just has a box in the connection properties for this network and it's labeled "Channels to Join: " and I have #ubuntu #xubuntu in it
[01:15] <Clarrisa_2008> but it only auto joins the first one
[01:15] <crimsun> don't use whitespace as a separator. Use a comma with no whitespace.
[01:15] <crimsun> e.g., #ubuntu,#xubuntu,#foobarblah,...
[01:16] <Clarrisa_2008> ok
[01:16] <vidd_laptop> Clarrisa_2008, in other words, #ubuntu,#xubuntu
[01:16] <Jester45> o i thoguh you had gaim
[01:17] <Clarrisa_2008> jester45, hadn't installed gaim quite Yet
[01:25] <Clarrisa_2008> ok, this is weird, I seem to have some sort of lock up in xchat when I was trying to get out of it, and then I hit escape really fast 3 times or so, and when I did, the 3 icons that I had created on my desktop are gone
[01:26] <Clarrisa_2008> and what's even more weird, is that now after I rebooted, my right-click on my desktop doesn't bring up a context menu so that I can create new launchers...  what is up here?
[01:28] <Clarrisa_2008> help anyone
[01:28] <vidd_laptop> what does come up when you right click?
[01:29] <Clarrisa_2008> nothing.  nothing happens
[01:29] <vidd_laptop> can you [alt] [f2]  to get the run box?
[01:29] <Clarrisa_2008> and those nifty icons I created for launching Terminal, Xchat and the File managers are gone
[01:30] <Clarrisa_2008> yes that works
[01:30] <vidd_laptop> go to applications>system>process manager......
[01:30] <Clarrisa_2008> ok I'm there
[01:31] <vidd_laptop> is xfdesktop there?
[01:31] <Clarrisa_2008> nope
[01:31] <vidd_laptop> that is why....
[01:32] <Clarrisa_2008> why would it disappear?
[01:32] <vidd_laptop> run xfdesktop from terminal
[01:32] <vidd_laptop> it sounds like it crashed
[01:32] <Clarrisa_2008> oh COOOL
[01:32] <Clarrisa_2008> ok it's all back
[01:32] <Clarrisa_2008> wtf
[01:33] <Clarrisa_2008> what did I do to screw it up like that?
[01:33] <Clarrisa_2008> is that one of things I should remember because it will most likely happen a lot?  I don't understand why rebooting didn't start it up by itself.
[01:33] <vidd_laptop> not sure
[01:35] <Clarrisa_2008> I definately need to learn this GUI.  It a lot less "pretty" than KDE and "gnome" but then again is much faster... so I will happily live with it.... I didn't know kde & gnome that well anyway
[01:35] <Clarrisa_2008> ok, one last question for me and i'm going to go take a much needed break from all of this.
[01:36] <Clarrisa_2008> how can I make a backup, of this linux box, so that if I every have to resinstall, that I have will copies of all of the config files I have changed (for apache, vsftpd, samba, etc. etc.)  how do people backup their linux boxes???
[01:37] <Clarrisa_2008> I can't afford a tape drive, this is a home pc
[01:37] <Jester45> use a cd or dvd
[01:37] <Clarrisa_2008> and what's more I don't even know how a person backs up to a tape drive with linux anyway.  I would want it to be freeware
[01:37] <Jester45> and copy the directories with the configs in the
[01:38] <Clarrisa_2008> what if it doesn't all fit on one DVD?
[01:38] <Jester45> use 2
[01:38] <Clarrisa_2008> LOL
[01:38] <Clarrisa_2008> very funny
[01:38] <Jester45> it shouldnt if your only backing up some configs
[01:38] <Clarrisa_2008> well, ok
[01:38] <vidd_laptop> Clarrisa_2008, its not a joke
[01:38] <Clarrisa_2008> I know, but I thought it was funny anyway,
[01:39] <Clarrisa_2008> but of course not ;-)
[01:39] <vidd_laptop> one dvd should be enough to back up your config files 20-30 times over
[01:39] <Jester45> its really not that hard to use 2 dvds
[01:39] <Clarrisa_2008> what software do you use?
[01:39] <Clarrisa_2008> and secondly, the thing I forgot to mention is I am running mysql too.... what about backing that up
[01:40] <Clarrisa_2008> that's why I'd ideally like to back up the whole thing
[01:40] <Clarrisa_2008> until I got used to stuff that didn't matter
[01:40] <vidd_laptop> Clarrisa_2008, iwould be interested in getting a copy of your apache config files.....
[01:40] <Clarrisa_2008> vidd_laptop why so?  because they probably really suck and you need some laughs?
[01:41] <Clarrisa_2008> I have suffered through trying to get them to work correctly...I'm not an expert, not even a novice yet
[01:41] <Clarrisa_2008> but I have 8 domains working ok...
[01:41] <vidd_laptop> Clarrisa_2008, no...im sure you know LOADS more about servers then i do
[01:41] <Clarrisa_2008> I'm only using wordpress and gallery2...
[01:42] <Clarrisa_2008> huh????  you have got to be kidding... you have been teaching ME today here.  loads of stuff
[01:42] <Jester45> vidd has problems with simple things
[01:44] <vidd_laptop> thats the way this works...i give out what tiny pieces of knowledge i have been able to srounge together, so i can get the benifit of othersgreater knowledge!
[01:44] <Clarrisa_2008> all I have done is created folders under /var/www or /var/www-ssl
[01:45] <Clarrisa_2008> then under each of those I've created the folders called cgi-bin htdocs, & logs
[01:45] <vidd_laptop> do you have cgi-bin working?
[01:45] <vidd_laptop> so yes...you have TONS i can learn from
[01:46] <Jester45>  vidd whats your connection speed
[01:46] <Clarrisa_2008> see that's where I'm going to sound like an idiot again.  how do I know if I have it working??  I have wordpress and gallery2 working...they utilize php of course, and I'm assuming cgi-bin, but no idea
[01:46] <Jester45> virison seems to be a fast isp
[01:46] <vidd_laptop> i have 768 upload
[01:47] <Jester45> vidd shes not doing it the hard way
[01:47] <Clarrisa_2008> what is the hard way
[01:47] <Jester45> not using tools to do it for you
[01:48] <Jester45> i dont really mind eather way
[01:48] <vidd_laptop> Clarrisa_2008, feel like uploading your config files for me to examin and learn from?
[01:49] <vidd_laptop> ill give ya some ftp space
[01:49] <Clarrisa_2008> I could do that... but you'll have tell me which ones... I get lost as to where everything is stored...  I have folders somewhere that have the actually apache configs... something called sites-available and sites enabled...but can't remember where they are
[01:50] <vidd_laptop> then upload your entire etc folder
[01:50] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[01:50] <Clarrisa_2008> um.... isn't that scary for security on my part?
[01:50] <vidd_laptop> i dont see why.....
[01:51] <vidd_laptop> your passwd file is encripted.....
[01:51] <Clarrisa_2008> well I don't know...passwords, etc.... I'm a newbie here
[01:51] <vidd_laptop> but if you are worried about it, then dont upload it
[01:51] <Clarrisa_2008> well I want to help you...
[01:51] <Clarrisa_2008> let me see if I can find the files that will help you
[01:52] <vidd_laptop> just upload the apache folder
[01:52] <vidd_laptop> letme make you a folder
[01:52] <Clarrisa_2008> oh, there it is
[01:52] <Clarrisa_2008> I'm using apache2
[01:54] <tich> how would i edit fstab to mount an ext3 partition?
[01:55] <vidd_laptop> Clarrisa_2008, come to #unofficial
[01:55] <Clarrisa_2008> k
[01:56] <Ramla> tich: add line /dev/hdxy /mountpoint ext3 defaults 0 0
[01:57] <Ramla> I'm not sure about the meaning of the two numbers at the end of the line. But it should work.
[01:57] <tich> i already have one ext3 (my home partition) adding this shouldn't interfere with that?
[01:58] <Clarrisa_2008> how do I write to a file in mousepad if I'm not logged in as root????
[01:58] <Ramla> Yeah, as long as the mount point is unique
[01:58] <Clarrisa_2008> which I can't login as root in this desktop thing anyway
[01:58] <vidd_laptop> in terminal, type sudo mousepad
[01:58] <Ramla> use gksudo to start x applications as root, for example gksudo mousepad
[01:58] <Clarrisa_2008> oh ok cool
[01:59] <tich> Ramla: how do i make sure that the mount point is unique?
[01:59] <vidd_laptop> Clarrisa_2008, you coming to get the info to upload?
[01:59] <Clarrisa_2008> yes
[01:59] <Clarrisa_2008> one sec
[01:59] <tich> Ramla: could i paste my fstab?
[01:59] <Ryfa> Hello, I reinstalled xubuntu about a week ago on an old celeron machine and everything was working fine for a while, but now it locks up everytime the login screen comes up, it can autologin to a very restricted account and that is it
[02:00] <Ramla> tich: check that no other mount has that mount point selected in fstab.
[02:00] <Ramla> tich: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[02:00] <tich> great thanks.
[02:02] <Ryfa> any cluehow to resurrect it without a reinstall?
[02:03] <tich> Ramla: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22798/
[02:03] <Ramla> Have you checked that your home folder is all right?
[02:04] <Ryfa> I'm not sure what to look for, still somewhat new to linux
[02:04] <Ramla> tich: yah, just choose the right device and partition and a mounting point for the partition
[02:05] <tich> okay.  i will repaste it when i have finished!  thanks.
[02:06] <Ramla> Ryfa: I haven't done a lot of debugging, so I don't know if I'm able to help much
[02:07] <Ryfa> are there any workarounds for this?
[02:07] <Ryfa> another way to switch accounts?
[02:08] <Ramla> well you can log in in terminal if that's what you mean
[02:09] <Ryfa> well I need to get into my other account thru login
[02:09] <Ramla> but because you have autologin enabled you can't?
[02:09] <Ryfa> the login screen freezes
[02:09] <Ryfa> when I logout
[02:10] <Ramla> alright. well, try this.. go to terminal by pressing ctrl+alt+f1, log in with the desired account and write startx
[02:10] <Ryfa> in the restricted account correct?
[02:11] <Ramla> restricted? you mean normal user?
[02:11] <Ryfa> user has no rights is my only access
[02:11] <Ryfa> auto logins to it
[02:11] <Ramla> okay. that account then
[02:11] <Ryfa> press that when it logins to that?
[02:12] <Ramla> umm, like when the logon screen is about to hang or has hung
[02:12] <Ryfa> ok, wait a minute
[02:13] <Ryfa> it freezes hard, half garbled display, mouse frozen and power button doesn't work
[02:13] <Ryfa> have to unplug to restart
[02:14] <Ramla> oh. hmm
[02:14] <Ramla> try to get into terminal before that happens, maybe it won't hang the whole machine then. or is it instant?
[02:14] <Ryfa> startx makes a fatal server error
[02:15] <Ryfa> I did it in the account I can access
[02:15] <Ryfa> the login screen is instant
[02:15] <Ramla> Hm, maybe that's because there's already some x screen open. Try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:16] <tich> Ramla: would /home be acceptable as a mount point?  or maybe a better question would be is the mount point a semi-arbitrary thing that i can choose or is it based on something that i (as of yet) do not understand?
[02:17] <Ryfa> Ramla: got in, now I can change my autologin I guess, any way to fix this problem?
[02:18] <Ramla> tich: you can choose it to be /home. But hmm, actually I don't know myself what happens when you have the current /home content on the root partition and you mount something on it.. you could try copying the current content of /home to the partition you're going to mount as /home
[02:19] <Ramla> Ryfa: yeah.
[02:19] <Ramla> Ryfa: so the X works fine, it's just the logon screen that hangs? Sounds rather weird
[02:19] <Ryfa> yeah, but this computer seems to not like xubuntu
[02:19] <Ryfa> the last problem I had with xubuntu, it forgot it's version number, only some keyboard keys worked and it enlessly looped on startup
[02:20] <Ryfa> had to reinstall
[02:20] <Ryfa> oh one more thing, how do I disable ACPI?
[02:20] <Ryfa> it complains on startup about it
[02:21] <Ramla> Of that I haven't got the slightest idea
[02:21] <vidd_laptop> add acpi to the grub load command
[02:21] <Ryfa> it is capable of power management but it doesn't think so
[02:21] <vidd_laptop> add acpi=off to the grub load command
[02:21] <tich> Ramla: i am getting the sense that i should do some more reading!  i think i will look for some sort of basic terminology and concepts for partitions then do this.  its like that pbs thing: the more you know!
[02:22] <tich> Ramla: thanks for getting me this far though
[02:22] <Ramla> Ryfa: check logfiles in /var/log/gdm/, maybe there's an obvious reason for the crash
[02:22] <Ryfa> i'll check
[02:22] <Ramla> I got some errors loading fonts and some wacom stuff that gets autodefined in xorg.conf, so those are probably normal, but if there's anything else
[02:23] <Ryfa> got som errors here in that logfile
[02:23] <Ramla> paste away http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[02:24] <Ryfa> can't paste it, this isn't that pc
[02:24] <Ramla> Oh. well, any recognizable reason for the crash there?
[02:25] <Ryfa> looks like the errors are about my serial port
[02:26] <Ramla> Have you got any devices connected there?
[02:27] <Ryfa> nope
[02:27] <Ryfa> error opening /dev/wavcom :success (EE) xf860penserial: cannot open device /dev/wavcom no such file or directory
[02:27] <Ramla> Oh, that
[02:27] <Ramla> I have those lines too
[02:27] <Ryfa> oh
[02:27] <Ramla> It's about some devices that get automatically added to xorg.conf
[02:27] <Ryfa> ok
[02:28] <Ryfa> then there isn't anything there
[02:28] <Ramla> Okay, hmm
[02:30] <Ramla> It can't really be an xorg problem either since you could start X after logging in..
[02:30] <Ryfa> I think the only change since it last worked was a new dvd drive
[02:31] <Ryfa> more, I went to change the autologin and it failed to initalise socket
[02:32] <Ramla> Can't imagine that causing it.. The best I got at the moment is maybe you could try reinstalling gdm - sudo apt-get install --reinstall gdm -but- I don't know if it'll mess up gdm settings.
[02:32] <Ryfa> I can't even access gdm settings anymore
[02:32] <Ryfa> failed to initalise socket
[02:33] <Ramla> o_O
[02:33] <Ryfa> happened after I entered sudo gdmsetup
[02:34] <Ramla> i wonder what that means
[02:34] <vidd_laptop> Ryfa, maybe you should go and apt-get remove x11-common && sudo apt-get autoremove
[02:35] <vidd_laptop> Ryfa, then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[02:35] <Ryfa> I'll try it
[02:36] <Ryfa> umm
[02:38] <Ryfa> some could not be installed...could have requested an impossible situation or using an unstable distro...highly likely the package is uninstallable...
[02:39] <Ryfa> on the first command
[02:39] <vidd_laptop> Ryfa, you using dapper?
[02:39] <Ryfa> 6.10
[02:40] <Ryfa> oh also it updated some files after it last worked and before it broke
[02:41] <Ryfa> this seems eerily like last time I had a problem, it just slid downhill until it was impossible to use the computer
[02:42] <vidd_laptop> you might want to upgrade to feisty
[02:42] <vidd_laptop> you can get the net installer from my download site
[02:43] <vidd_laptop> http:// vidd.homelinux.net:8080/downloads
[02:43] <ReMixx> hey vidd do you use azureus with xubuntu?
[02:43] <vidd_laptop> nope
[02:43] <BFTD> whats the best way to locate a file?
[02:43] <ReMixx> oh poo, it's giving me problems :(
[02:43] <vidd_laptop> BFTD, which [filename] 
[02:44] <BFTD> vidd_laptop ok
[02:45] <Ryfa> which one do I download?
[02:46] <vidd_laptop> mini.iso
[02:46] <BFTD> locate is better
[02:46] <Ryfa> ok, the HDD is too small to be downloading big files
[02:47] <Ramla> i like locate, but is there some search that would not require a database update run as root first (if looking for new files)?
[02:48] <Ryfa> umm, what do you want me to do with it?
[02:49] <vidd_laptop> what you do is burn it to disk, and use it to install
[02:49] <Ryfa> ah, I thought you wanted it to go straight onto the computer
[02:50] <vidd_laptop> sounds like your install is toast....
[02:50] <Ryfa> yeah, and I have only  been on it for like 10 hours sice last install
[02:50] <Ryfa> I think that is pretty sad
[02:51] <vidd_laptop> but you COULD try changing your /etc/apt/sources.list to edgy....
[02:51] <vidd_laptop> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:52] <vidd_laptop> but i think you need to do a fresh install and turn off acpi
[02:53] <Ryfa> I added that to boot options and it tignored it
[02:53] <Ramla> Would you suggest turning off acpi from OS or BIOS?
[02:53] <vidd_laptop> os
[02:54] <Ryfa> any attemps at turning ACPI off I have seen online has failed
[02:54] <Ryfa> on this pc
[02:54] <vidd_laptop> i think you need to do it from jump street
[02:55] <Ryfa> ?
[02:55] <vidd_laptop> when you install
[02:55] <Ryfa> by the way the PC is an old Jetway that has no record of ever existing
[02:56] <Ryfa> except on some russian site
[02:56] <Pumpernickel> Ramla: `find /path -iname foo`
[02:57] <Ramla> Pumpernickel: that doesn't use any database?
[02:57] <Pumpernickel> Nope.
[02:57] <Ramla> Aight. Kewl.
[02:58] <Ryfa> anyway what do you think caused that
[02:58] <vidd_laptop> bad ram...bad hd....dunno
[02:58] <Ryfa> ram is good, came from another computer
[02:59] <Ryfa> when I traded it
[03:00] <Ryfa> everything worked fine in 95b, quite odd
[03:00] <cartoon_nate> hello... I'm wondering can i have democracy player without all those gnome dependencies?
[03:01] <Ryfa> I suspect the thing isn't copletely supported, not one component in it is common
[03:02] <Ryfa> except the ram, hdd, and fdd
[03:03] <vidd_laptop> is it a x86???
[03:03] <Ryfa> nope, a no-name pentium II class celeron
[03:04] <Ramla> cartoon_nate: i don't think so. but don't worry, gnome libs shouldn't hurt xfce performance too much, both use gtk
[03:06] <Ryfa> cd burnt, want me to boot from it?
[03:06] <vidd_laptop> yeah
[03:09] <cartoon_nate> Ramla: if anything... i just want to save 150mb of disk space
[03:10] <Ryfa> I'll be back
[03:26] <CaT[tm] > anyone point me to a url of xubuntu cd mirrors?
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> i have a couple iso;s on my  site
[03:32] <Pumpernickel> You can get a list of mirrors here http://xubuntu.org/get.
[03:33] <CaT[tm] > yeah. that sort of works. I'm hoping there is something that'd stop me from having to see which one of these I can rsync off
[04:49] <Ryfa> ok it is installed, there isn't a GUI though
[04:58] <danielbw> I have a user that called me and said they can no longer minimize apps
[04:58] <danielbw> I am using the latest version of xubuntu
[04:59] <crimsun> does that mean that the minimise action does nothing, or does that mean that the minimise action does something but the app cannot be restored to its prior window state?
[05:06] <danielbw> The action does nothing
[05:06] <danielbw> I am going to go check it out later but wanted to know if anyone else ran intot his problem
[05:07] <danielbw> before i went over there
[05:17] <rjian> hello wer can i get the previous version of xubuntu?
[05:18] <rjian> tonyyarusso: are u there?
[05:20] <rjian> anybody here?
[05:22] <Pumpernickel> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/
[05:24] <rjian> thnx Pumpernickel
[05:24] <Pumpernickel> np
[05:24] <lostboyz> does anyone want to tell me how you can change the themes with xfce-look in xubuntu?  i installed to /usr/share/themes but i don't see it in the change user interface settings
[05:25] <rjian> Pumpernickel: do u have idea if xubuntu can run on PII 333Mhz 64MB Ram?
[05:25] <Pumpernickel> rjian: It can kinda walk...
[05:26] <rjian> hehe slow..
[05:27] <rjian> Pumpernickel: ive download the dapper.. wat do u think? compatible?
[05:29] <Pumpernickel> Probably.
[05:30] <rjian> slackware seems running hopefully xubuntu will do also. :)
[05:53] <Jester45> does anyone good at html
[05:55] <TheSheep> Jester45: aye
[05:57] <Jester45> could you make a simple template for me? and vidd
[05:58] <Jester45> somthing like this =>  http://vidd.homelinux.net:8080/pics/new_template.png
[05:58] <Jester45> but with straigher lines
[05:58] <Jester45> i would like 3 columns the center being about 70% of the page
[05:59] <Jester45> and it would be nice if i could copy/paste new sections to the center column
[06:23] <Ryfa> well thanks for the help, I think I can figure this out from here
[06:55] <Amon-san> hi, i have a problem with the xubuntu livecd (7.04 i386)
[06:55] <Amon-san> when i boot the desktop is visible
[06:56] <Amon-san> but the toolsbars are mussing
[06:56] <Amon-san> *missing
[06:56] <Jester45> Amon-san: press alt + F2 and type xfce4-panel in the box then click run
[06:56] <TheSheep> Jester45: http://sheep.art.pl/misc/jester/
[06:57] <Amon-san> i'll try asap, system is rebooting now
[06:57] <Jester45> TheSheep: how about, vidd.homelinux.net
[06:58] <Jester45> that is very nice though
[06:58] <TheSheep> Jester45: blank page
[06:58] <Jester45> really?
[06:58] <TheSheep> Jester45: you wanted a template
[06:58] <Jester45> ether or
[06:58] <Jester45> i didnt really care
[06:58] <Amon-san> oh, and is it normal for a 800x600 tft not to center the boot animation?
[06:59] <Jester45> the template is nice but i would of worked with your page, i just didnt know how to start it
[06:59] <Jester45> i think vidd will like it
[07:00] <Jester45> hes starting a hosting business
[07:00] <Jester45> i get a free account
[07:00] <TheSheep> Jester45: well, just take the html and replace/add things to it
[07:01] <Jester45> what html
[07:01] <Jester45> the link i sent i chagned that all ready
[07:02] <Jester45> all i need to do is the other 8 or so pages and wait for vidd to do all the user registration and stuff like that
[07:03] <TheSheep> 05:53 < Jester45> does anyone good at html
[07:03] <TheSheep> 05:55 < TheSheep> Jester45: aye
[07:03] <TheSheep> 05:57 < Jester45> could you make a simple template for me? and vidd
[07:03] <TheSheep> 05:58 < Jester45> somthing like this =>  http://vidd.homelinux.net:8080/pics/new_template.png
[07:03] <TheSheep> Jester45: ?
[07:03] <Jester45> yea?
[07:03] <Jester45> its like what i said
[07:03] <Jester45> 3 columns
[07:03] <Jester45> just i couldnt draw fancy things in xpaint
[07:04] <TheSheep> Jester45: I made it and uploaded to http://sheep.art.pl/misc/jester/
[07:04] <Jester45> yea i looked at it
[07:04] <Jester45> but while you made that i edited this -> vidd.homelinux.net:8080
[07:05] <TheSheep> Jester45: ah, ok
[07:05] <Jester45> i would of used your but i found a good template
[07:05] <Jester45> yours
[07:06] <Jester45> and im not that good so using your it would of took a long time to get looking good but its still basicly the same
[07:09] <Amon-san> Jester45: thanks it worked
[07:10] <Jester45> your welcome
[07:11] <Amon-san> hmm, my tray clock is 2 hours off, how du i set it?
[07:11] <Amon-san> *do
[07:11] <Jester45> menu -> system -> time and date
[07:12] <Amon-san> thanks
[07:13] <Jester45> np
[07:35] <Scot1967> Noob here...  is this thing on?
[07:36] <Scot1967> I have an install question...  Any takers?
[07:40] <Scot1967> Xubuntu installer hangs at 15% Installing system, Detecting file systems...
[07:41] <Catoptromancy_> Which .iso , what system specs?
[07:44] <Scot1967> It's an old HP Omnibook Xe2 laptop.  192 meg ram, 400mhz processor,6 gig HDD.
[07:44] <Catoptromancy_> try the Alternate CD
[07:45] <Scot1967> Xubuntu, Fiesty Fawn..  7.04 desktop i386
[07:46] <Catoptromancy_> Live CD?
[07:46] <Catoptromancy_> OR Alternate
[07:46] <Scot1967> Yes live CD.  I choose install when it comes up.
[07:46] <Catoptromancy_> try Alternate
[07:47] <Catoptromancy_> it works with Lower RAM
[07:47] <Scot1967> Could the ISO burn be bad?
[07:47] <Catoptromancy_> run an md5sum check on it before burning
[07:47] <Catoptromancy_> use md5sum
[07:47] <Scot1967> Thought of that...  Where are the checksums?
[07:48] <Catoptromancy_> same directory as download
[07:48] <Scot1967> I just clicked a link off the main page and pulled from a mirror.  I did not see the checksums...
[07:48] <Scot1967> I'll look again'
[07:49] <Scot1967> scrolling works!!!  :)
[07:49] <Scot1967> Down the page a ways I see the checksums.
[07:50] <Scot1967> I'll do the checksum and try the alt.  Thanks!
[08:05] <Scot1961> help
[08:05] <Scot1961> Sorry...  :S
[09:38] <crabgrass> in gnome, you can have additional info (filesize, permissions, etc) displayed along with the filename, next to icons. is there any way to do this in thunar?
[09:46] <sigmamu188> why use thunar
[09:46] <sigmamu188> use krusader
[09:46] <sigmamu188> sudo apt-get install krusader
[09:46] <crabgrass> i like things that look simple, clean, spartan, etc
[09:47] <sigmamu188> i think krusader is clean
[09:47] <sigmamu188> lol
[09:47] <crabgrass> eh...
[09:47] <sigmamu188> you can used detailed lists in thunar
[09:47] <sigmamu188> in the view setting
[09:48] <crabgrass> ah
[09:48] <sigmamu188> i dont know if that helps at all
[09:48] <sigmamu188> i just got on
[09:48] <crabgrass> not really what i was looking for, but it's close enough
[09:48] <MaxFrames> hello
[09:48] <crabgrass> yo
[09:49] <sigmamu188> you can go to view> configure columns and add the other
[09:49] <sigmamu188> ie permission ownership ect
[09:50] <MaxFrames> i have installed a 17" TFT monitor, but my xubuntu PC does not support 1280x1024, it only supports 1024x768. At 1280x1024, vertical lines appear and the display is garbled. I can configure xfce to use 1024x768, but the logon screen and the splash screen are still 1280x1024. How do I change those?
[09:50] <sigmamu188> crabgrass: dose that help at all?
[09:50] <crabgrass> MaxFrames: have you added 1280x1024 in xorg.conf?
[09:50] <sigmamu188> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:51] <sigmamu188> then add the supported resolutions and frequency ranges
[09:52] <crabgrass> gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:52] <crabgrass> to get to the file
[09:52] <MaxFrames> ok. let's see
[09:52] <crabgrass> then ctrl+atl+backspace to restart X and see if it worke
[09:52] <crabgrass> d
[09:53] <sigmamu188> gksudo mousepad
[09:53] <sigmamu188> i cant get gedit to run
[09:54] <crabgrass> ah, yes, mousepad if you don't have gedit
[09:54] <sigmamu188> i like gvim
[09:54] <sigmamu188> i just got told about using it
[09:56] <crabgrass> oh god how do i type in this
[09:56] <MaxFrames> the file /etc/x11/xorg.conf looks blank
[09:56] <crabgrass> capitilize the X
[09:57] <MaxFrames> jeez... it just occurred to me :P
[09:57] <crabgrass> heh
[09:57] <MaxFrames> bear with a windows junkie
[09:57] <crabgrass> case sensitivity takes a while to get used to
[09:57] <crabgrass> don't worry, i've been there
[09:58] <MaxFrames> 1024x768 is already present as a resolution.... should i comment out 1280x1024?
[09:58] <crabgrass> no, add 1280 if it's not already there
[09:58] <MaxFrames> it is
[09:59] <MaxFrames> but i want xubuntu to *not* use it, since my g-card does not support it
[09:59] <crabgrass> oh
[09:59] <crabgrass> in that case, just delete it
[09:59] <crabgrass> what kind of card do you have?
[10:00] <MaxFrames> a better soultion would be to just tell x to use 1024x768 in the logon window
[10:00] <MaxFrames> without deleting 1280x1024
[10:00] <crabgrass> well, if you can't support 1280, there's no point in telling X that you can
[10:00] <crabgrass> right?
[10:01] <sigmamu188> is it a nvidea card?
[10:01] <crabgrass> !envy
[10:01] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[10:01] <MaxFrames> Intel 82815 CGC
[10:02] <crabgrass> ooo.
[10:02] <crabgrass> ubotu is talking smack
[10:02] <crabgrass> i've never had any problems with it...
[10:02] <crdlb> !worksforme
[10:02] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[10:02] <crdlb> :P
[10:02] <sigmamu188> lol
[10:02] <crabgrass> heh
[10:03] <crabgrass> well, it's no automatix
[10:03] <sigmamu188> !ubotu
[10:03] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:03] <crabgrass> !sentience
[10:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sentience - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:03] <crabgrass> HA
[10:03] <crdlb> !anything
[10:03] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[10:04] <crabgrass> !women
[10:04] <sigmamu188> hahahahaha
[10:04] <ubotu> The women and men of the Ubuntu women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[10:04] <crabgrass> O__O
[10:04] <crdlb> !botabuse
[10:04] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[10:04] <crabgrass> fine, fine.
[10:04] <crabgrass> lol
[10:05] <sigmamu188> anyone know a good gui bittorrent app
[10:05] <crabgrass> hah, found a good one
[10:05] <crabgrass> !love
[10:05] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[10:05] <sigmamu188> im using utorrent via wine
[10:05] <sigmamu188> and it crashes out sometimes
[10:05] <crabgrass> i'm using transmission
[10:05] <crabgrass> deluge is nice, too.
[10:05] <Myrtti> bittornado
[10:07] <crabgrass> !botsnack
[10:07] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[10:08] <Catoptromancy> sigmamu188, ktorrent
[10:09] <MaxFrames> good.. it worked
[10:09] <crabgrass> /cheer
[10:09] <MaxFrames> now I'd like to see if there are new drivers for that video chip
[10:09] <crabgrass> what can i use to view mysquirrel .db's?
[10:09] <gnuYou> has anyone been able to watch videos on video.google.com
[10:09] <crabgrass> !flash | gnuYou
[10:09] <ubotu> gnuYou: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[10:09] <gnuYou> I already have flash installed
[10:10] <crabgrass> oh, well, then what's going wrong?
[10:10] <sigmamu188> im looking for one that wont trash my down speed when i restrict the up speed
[10:10] <sigmamu188> will ktorrent do that?
[10:10] <gnuYou> the problem is that the video isn't playing while buffering
[10:10] <crabgrass> hmm
[10:11] <crabgrass> sigmamu188: afaik all bittorrent clients will do that
[10:12] <gnuYou> the funny thing is that youtube video is playing fine
[10:12] <Catoptromancy> why restrict upspeed?
[10:12] <sigmamu188> i share bandwith with 5 other computers
[10:13] <Catoptromancy> hmm
[10:13] <sigmamu188> when my comp is running fill speed
[10:13] <crabgrass> it might be curteous to also restrict downspeed, then too.
[10:13] <sigmamu188> it kills the conductivity of the rest of the network
[10:13] <Catoptromancy> well you can change upspeed with ktorrent
[10:13] <sigmamu188> i do restict my down speed
[10:13] <sigmamu188> somewhat
[10:13] <sigmamu188> but it seems that only the up speed kills the network
[10:17] <MaxFrames> :( disaster stroke
[10:17] <MaxFrames> after a reboot, my desktop wallpaper and desktop icons are gone
[10:18] <MaxFrames> and just because I removed 1280x1024 from xorg.conf :/
[10:18] <sigmamu188> are you logged in as root?
[10:18] <sigmamu188> try ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:18] <sigmamu188> and log in again
[10:19] <MaxFrames> already did
[10:19] <sigmamu188> hmmm
[10:19] <sigmamu188> try moving the mouse to the top and bottom of the page
[10:19] <sigmamu188> maybe its to big for you screen
[10:19] <sigmamu188> that happened to me once
[10:19] <sigmamu188> lol
[10:20] <Catoptromancy> Xfce4-panel
[10:20] <Catoptromancy> in termnial
[10:20] <Catoptromancy> MaxFrames, Xfce4-panel
[10:20] <Catoptromancy> is your panel still there?
[10:21] <MaxFrames> panel already running
[10:21] <Catoptromancy> desktopsettings  and click "allow Xfce"
[10:22] <MaxFrames> indeed
[10:22] <Catoptromancy> worked?
[10:22] <MaxFrames> why the heck did it uncheck it though?
[10:22] <Catoptromancy> random shortcut accident?
[10:23] <Catoptromancy> stuff happens,
[10:23] <Catoptromancy> I lost my panels yesterday
[10:23] <Catoptromancy> not sure how they died
[10:23] <Catoptromancy> not sure how I got them back
[10:23] <MaxFrames> I too lost the panels for no apparent reason some days ago
[10:23] <viridity> hi all
[10:24] <crabgrass> yeah, it's happened to me, too
[10:24] <MaxFrames> all this is a bit uncomfortable for a regular windows user
[10:24] <viridity> does anyone know anything about installing xubuntu on a quite old system (laptop)?
[10:24] <Catoptromancy> I was a regular windows user
[10:24] <Catoptromancy> ill never go totally back
[10:24] <MaxFrames> look at this for instance.... I set the desktop resolution to 1024x768, I log off and on, and the font size has apparently decreased by 50%!!!! why???
[10:24] <Catoptromancy> wine fails on programs i need, so duel boot
[10:25] <Catoptromancy> MaxFrames, sometimes when you quit you need to save session
[10:25] <crabgrass> yeah, that's what i thought, too
[10:25] <crabgrass> but there's a couple programs that just won't run in linux
[10:25] <crabgrass> and have no replacement
[10:25] <crabgrass> games, mainly
[10:25] <Catoptromancy> or only some things are saved messing with settings oddly
[10:26] <Catoptromancy> games are quite easy on linux
[10:26] <Catoptromancy> newer Games definately
[10:26] <Catoptromancy> gotta tweak winecfg and a few things and nearly all should work
[10:26] <crabgrass> if you can get Hammer working, you'll win 10,000 internets
[10:26] <crabgrass> or BF2142
[10:26] <Catoptromancy> those should work
[10:26] <crabgrass> i've tried, no luck
[10:27] <Catoptromancy> http://appdb.winehq.org/
[10:27] <crabgrass> yup
[10:27] <Catoptromancy> bf is in the top ten list
[10:27] <crabgrass> but, synergy and another monitor did the trick
[10:27] <crabgrass> now i have a 120 gig harddrive being used for windows... and ONE program.
[10:28] <Catoptromancy> heh
[10:28] <Catoptromancy> my windows partition is 50 gigs and linux has 200
[10:28] <Catoptromancy> both are half full
[10:29] <Catoptromancy> and I find it hard to fill harddrives
[10:29] <crabgrass> heh
[10:29] <crabgrass> so did i, until i got dsl and amule
[10:29] <jordansdad253> is this where i go for help?
[10:29] <crabgrass> sure is
[10:29] <Catoptromancy> I have 40 gigs of MP3s on 12 DVDs
[10:29] <crabgrass> jordansdad253: xfce help, anyway
[10:29] <jordansdad253> i can't access my applications menu anymore
[10:30] <Catoptromancy> every CD in my house fits on 12 discs heh
[10:30] <jordansdad253> in xcfe
[10:30] <Catoptromancy> why not?
[10:30] <crabgrass> jordansdad253: did you lose the menu?
[10:30] <crabgrass> jordansdad253: if so, rightclick on a panel and go to 'add new item'
[10:30] <Catoptromancy> crabgrass, beat me to itr
[10:30] <crabgrass> jordansdad253: then 'xfce menu' on the bottom
[10:30] <crabgrass> Catoptromancy: =D
[10:34] <MaxFrames> how do i increase the font size in the panels and in the main menu?
[10:35] <crabgrass> menu >> settings >> user interface / window manager
[10:35] <Catoptromancy> I know there some functions are there
[10:35] <Catoptromancy> but it takes forever to find them
[10:35] <crabgrass> yeah, takes some getting used to
[10:35] <crabgrass> like any other os
[10:36] <MaxFrames> crabgrass: already did, but it has no effect on those areas
[10:36] <crabgrass> MaxFrames: hmm.
[10:36] <MaxFrames> the xfce menu is still using a small font, and the same goes for the panel
[10:36] <MaxFrames> no matter how i set the font size in user interface/window manager, those don't change
[10:37] <loswillios> hi
[10:37] <MaxFrames> xubuntu hates me :P
[10:37] <crabgrass> well, in that case, i'm out of ideas.
[10:38] <Catoptromancy> I went through this bfore
[10:38] <MaxFrames> i suspect my graphic card is culprit for all this
[10:38] <Catoptromancy> setting > user interface settings?
[10:39] <loswillios> I have a problem with printing. My Canon i550 prints b/w fine but color-printing is a horrible mess
[10:40] <loswillios> Although the print-preview looks fine (all on one page) the final result is distributed over several pages
[10:41] <loswillios> every page contains a few things, where the color is shifted
[10:41] <grumpymole> MaxFrames: look at http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-more-on-fixing-fonts-problems.html - may be related?
[10:42] <crabgrass> align cartridges?
[10:42] <loswillios> crabgrass: good idea, but where?
[10:42] <crabgrass> that's done on the printer itself
[10:43] <crabgrass> generally
[10:43] <Catoptromancy> http://www.relentlessbeating.com/f/omgnooo.swf
[10:43] <Catoptromancy> oh crap
[10:43] <Catoptromancy> wrong channel
[10:43] <crabgrass> lol
[10:43] <loswillios> crabgrass: I know the windows driver can adjust it, but haven't found the settings in linux
[10:43] <crabgrass> rules 1 & 2
[10:44] <crabgrass> loswillios: are there native linux drivers for it?
[10:44] <jordansdad254> i don't know if you guys got my thanks or not, but thanks for the help
[10:44] <crabgrass> also, there should be some kind of diagnostic menu or something on the printer itself
[10:44] <loswillios> crabgrass: Canon i560 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.0.0.99.1
[10:44] <crabgrass> jordansdad254: no problem
[10:45] <loswillios> crabgrass: the printer has only two buttons :/
[10:45] <loswillios> on/off and resume
[10:45] <crabgrass> oh.
[10:45] <crabgrass> hmm.
[10:46] <crabgrass> well, i dont have a printer hooked up right now, so i've disabled all those menus
[10:46] <crabgrass> 'printer setup' in openoffice might have something
[11:00] <MaxFrames> grumpymole: may be related. thanks.
[11:18] <loswillios> args
[11:18] <loswillios> where do i have to put this )(%Z/ numlockx thing to start after X?
[11:19] <loswillios> I currently have autologin with rungetty working, so every numlockx-call in the wiki doesn't work somehow
[11:37] <loswillios> this is driving me nuts. even if i put the command in startxfce4 numlock isn't on after boot
[11:38] <loswillios> .xinitrc doesn't work either
[11:42] <loswillios> /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc doesn't work
[11:48] <loswillios> any help on that is greatly appreciated
[11:48] <loswillios> numlockx in .bashrc only works when opening a terminal. just booting isn't enough
[11:55] <Ramla> loswillios: have you checked your bios for 'boot up numlock status' setting?
[12:04] <Amon-san> say, why does the xubuntu installation routine remove various packets after installing the base system?
[12:10] <Catoptromancy> After installing something, it removes the installer package
[12:11] <Catoptromancy> dont need an installer, when the program is already installed
[01:42] <hyper_ch> hiho
[02:56] <candtalan> hi all
[02:57] <hyper_ch> candtalan: hi
[02:57] <candtalan> I have a question about fonts
[02:57] <candtalan> Hi hyper_ch
[02:59] <hyper_ch> !question | candtalan
[02:59] <ubotu> candtalan: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:59] <candtalan> Am a new user of xubuntu, and installed it via kubuntu then xubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop is also installed
[03:02] <candtalan> the menu (button text) font (for example 'Applications' at top left hand side is too small on one machine and I cannot see how to change it
[03:02] <candtalan> Hi ubotu  :-)
[03:05] <hyper_ch> candtalan: applications --> settings --> Windows Manager Settings
[03:06] <candtalan> yes I saw that but it chanegs the window title etc but ? not the [Applications]  button text, (nor the Applications menu text)
[03:07] <hyper_ch> no clue
[03:07] <hyper_ch> I don't alter default settings
[03:08] <candtalan> Nor do I usually, but I have one or two old machines and xfce would be really good for them
[03:09] <candtalan> Is it something to do with general system (gtk?) settings - a file somewhere I wonder?
[03:09] <hyper_ch> no clue
[03:09] <hyper_ch> how old are they?
[03:10] <candtalan> Pentium II 200 Mhz (kde a bit slooow), and PII 400 MHz
[03:10] <hyper_ch> hmmm, I'd go for fluxbox
[03:10] <hyper_ch> instead of xfce
[03:12] <candtalan> I did try fluxbox yes, however it is a little too much into editing for my present skills. I made  a menu ok - it works fine. I would probably be givivng a machine to elderly friends, so I woul dneed to have faster mainteneance skills than I hav ejust now
[03:13] <candtalan> Kubuntu and or suse are no problem for such friends (ages  mid 80's)
[03:13] <hyper_ch> well, no clue about xfce tweaking... but you might be better off asking in #xfce
[03:14] <candtalan> yes thanks
[04:13] <Eagle_101> May I please ask if the following wireless card: 05:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) :: will work correctly on xubuntu?
[04:17] <hyper_ch> Eagle_101: download the desktop cd and try it out...
[04:17] <hyper_ch> but broadcom in general is not that well supported
[04:18] <Eagle_101> :S might just try that :S Its the one thing I could not get to work in gentoo :(
[04:18] <hyper_ch> you also can check on www.ubuntuforums.org
[04:18] <hyper_ch> maybe the ndiswrapper helps
[04:20] <Eagle_101> who knows... I just heard that the new xubuntu has better wireless support ;)
[04:21] <hyper_ch> well, my has been detected out of the box since breezy
[04:21] <hyper_ch> but broadcom is still a pain - as I have heard
[04:21] <Eagle_101> :(
[04:21] <hyper_ch> try the dsktop/life cd
[04:21] <hyper_ch> and/or browse the forums
[04:22] <Eagle_101> is breezy released?
[04:22] <Eagle_101> I see fiesty
[04:22] <hyper_ch> breezy was 5.06
[04:22] <hyper_ch> feist is 7.04
[04:23] <Eagle_101> sorry :S used to versionless gentoo.
[04:23] <hyper_ch> versions in Ubuntu are very simple
[04:23] <hyper_ch> Year.Month
[04:23] <hyper_ch> 2007.04 --> 7.04
[04:24] <Eagle_101> ah ok
[04:24] <hyper_ch> plus some cool code name
[04:24] <hyper_ch> breezy badger
[04:24] <hyper_ch> hoard hedgehog
[04:24] <hyper_ch> dapper drake
[04:24] <hyper_ch> edgy eft
[04:24] <hyper_ch> feisty fawn
[04:24] <Eagle_101> heh :)
[04:25] <Eagle_101> the thing that sucks with that though is that you have to get a new OS, unlike the seemless gentoo upgrades... but I'd give that up to have working wireless
[04:25] <hyper_ch> well, upgrades work well...
[04:26] <Eagle_101> gentoo all you do is emerge world every so often and you have the up to date distro :S
[04:26] <hyper_ch> but I still prefer to reisntall everything upon each release
[04:26] <Eagle_101> mmm
[04:26] <Eagle_101> oh by the way I am getting that CD image ;)
[04:26] <hyper_ch> once the alpha versions of the next come out I'll install that
[04:26] <Eagle_101> I'll have it in 3 hours :)
[04:26] <hyper_ch> I miss the daily upgrades
[04:27] <hyper_ch> it just makes feel the devs do a lot of work :)
[04:27] <Eagle_101> hyper_ch, heh, I just do emerge world every week or so :)
[04:27] <hyper_ch> 3h? so long for the download?
[04:27] <Eagle_101> hyper_ch, I'm in a university, and they kill the speed during the weekdays
[04:27] <Eagle_101> someone forgot it is a holiday >.>
[04:27] <hyper_ch> lol
[04:28] <hyper_ch> when I still was assistant to one of the law profs. there were no speed limits
[04:28] <Eagle_101> its only in the dorms, if I wandered down to the labs I would get high speed
[04:29] <hyper_ch> go, do some sport and walk down :)
[04:29] <Eagle_101> heh :) I might... except the labs are closed ;) its holiday
[04:29] <Eagle_101> ( I tried earlier)
[04:29] <hyper_ch> ;)
[04:30] <Eagle_101> hyper_ch, any idea of a distro that supports broadcom very well?)
[04:31] <hyper_ch> Eagle_101: nope.... I just know debian and *buntu
[04:31] <Eagle_101> gentoo does.. in a very difficult way, that i've mangaged to bugger it up...
[04:31] <Eagle_101> its really odd, I can get the device light to turn on.
[04:31] <Eagle_101> and I can get it to detect networks
[04:31] <Eagle_101> but it won't connect for the life of me
[04:31] <hyper_ch> did you search the ubuntu forums already?
[04:32] <Eagle_101> hyper_ch, this is gentoo.
[04:32] <Eagle_101> I've not tried xubuntu
[04:32] <hyper_ch> well, but the forums gives you info whether it works for others
[04:32] <Eagle_101> oh!
[04:32] <Eagle_101> duh
[04:33] <Eagle_101> thanks ;)
[04:34] <hyper_ch> or google for ubuntu hardware... you should get to the ubuntu wiki and it should list the devices
[04:34] <Eagle_101> hyper_ch, I'm inclined to see if the new release will self detect it as advertised
[04:34] <Eagle_101> or do I get the similar problems
[04:34] <hyper_ch> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsBroadcom
[04:35] <hyper_ch> hmmm, not listed
[04:36] <Eagle_101> well that sucks :(
[04:37] <hyper_ch> well, that means no one has submitted yet
[04:37] <Eagle_101> I'll still give it a go :)
[04:37] <hyper_ch> Eagle_101: so try searching the forums
[04:41] <Eagle_101> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174&highlight=Broadcom+Corporation+BCM4318
[04:41] <Eagle_101> is not encoraging
[04:42] <hyper_ch> wow.... 86 pages in that thread
[04:43] <Eagle_101> hyper_ch, yep and they say on it if your driver is the one I have, it won't work
[04:43] <hyper_ch> oh :(
[04:44] <Eagle_101> I'm going to try another gentoo solution before jumping ship
[04:44] <Eagle_101> ;)
[04:45] <hyper_ch> ubuntu is nice
[04:45] <hyper_ch> needs much less time than gentoo :)
[04:45] <Eagle_101> I'm sure it is, just I can't tweak things as well :)
[04:46] <hyper_ch> look at it as a challenge regarding tweaking ;)
[04:46] <Eagle_101> you never even see xorg.conf in ubuntu :)
[04:46] <hyper_ch> sure I have :)
[04:46] <Eagle_101> whooo hoo!
[04:47] <Eagle_101> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197102&highlight=Broadcom+Corporation+BCM4318
[04:48] <hyper_ch> is it for feisty?
[04:49] <Eagle_101> yes
[04:49] <Eagle_101> not only that, it gives me some keywords to search for gentoo whilist my cd is downloading ;)
[04:50] <hyper_ch> ???
[04:50] <Eagle_101> hyper_ch, I never heard of the ndiswrapper
[04:50] <Eagle_101> I'm going to see if I can't make that work in gentoo
[04:51] <hyper_ch> ndiswrapper is a wrapper to use windows drivers in linux
[04:51] <Eagle_101> yeah I see...
[04:52] <Eagle_101> I'm going to try the liveCD and see how well this works :)
[04:52] <hyper_ch> good luck
[04:52] <Eagle_101> if it works I'm going to install xubuntu over gentoo :(
[04:53] <hyper_ch> you can do parallel installs
[04:53] <hyper_ch> the freedom of linux :)
[04:54] <Eagle_101> hyper_ch, yeah I already am dualbooting with XP
[05:02] <johnbortion> I wanted to ask a question about Xmodmap.  Is anyone there?
[05:04] <vidd_laptop> johnbortion, i am here....
[05:04] <johnbortion> Hey, I used to have a global Xmodmap file in /etc/X11.  now it doesn't work
[05:05] <johnbortion> I just upgraded to Feisty Fawn
[05:05] <vidd_laptop> is the file still there?
[05:05] <johnbortion> yes, it works but I have to run it manually:  xmodmap /etc/X11/Xmodmap
[05:06] <vidd_laptop> ok....
[05:06] <vidd_laptop> then you just need to call the file in your auto loader
[05:07] <johnbortion> where is that located?  I'm using Xubuntu
[05:07] <vidd_laptop> give me a sec....
[05:08] <vidd_laptop> (Applications -> Settings -> Autostarted Applications)
[05:09] <johnbortion> okay I'll try that.  I wonder why they changed some of the startup scripts?
[05:09] <johnbortion> X should be reading that file at startup
[05:09] <johnbortion> shouldn't it?
[05:12] <vidd_laptop> johnbortion, x does not read it at all....
[05:12] <vidd_laptop> xfce reads it
[05:12] <johnbortion> I wonder why it stopped now
[05:13] <vidd_laptop> wait.... im sorry...you meant the Xmodmap....
[05:13] <johnbortion> yes
[05:13] <vidd_laptop> yes...x SHOULD be reading it on start up
[05:14] <johnbortion> that's weird, maybe something is happening out of order
[05:15] <vidd_laptop> have you tried removing it and replacing it?
[05:15] <johnbortion> yes
[05:16] <johnbortion> thanks for your help, I'm sure you're suggestion will work--I'm just curious that it doesn't work the same way it used to.  thanks again.
[05:22] <kalikiana> hi grazie :D
[05:22] <grazie> kalikiana: still writing a light weight browser?
[05:23] <kalikiana> grazie, Of course. Why do you ask? Everyone seems to expect that I drop it. o-O
[05:24] <grazie> kalikiana: properly 'cos a lot of folks think it's a tough project :)
[05:24] <hyper_ch> Eagle_101: downloaded?
[05:24] <grazie> probably*
[05:24] <hyper_ch> huhu grazie
[05:24] <grazie> hi hyper_ch
[05:25] <TheSheep> kalikiana: we expect you to create a great browser for us :)
[05:25] <hyper_ch> johnny depp and keiry knightley are on my program tonight ;)
[05:25] <hyper_ch> -<+a
[05:25] <kalikiana> grazie, Well, it's definitely more complex than catfish ;)
[05:25] <hyper_ch> -y+a
[05:26] <hyper_ch> what's catfish?
[05:26] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Yeah, at the moment *time* is the only factor holding me back.
[05:26] <grazie> hyper_ch: what program is that?
[05:26] <hyper_ch> grazie: movie theater :)
[05:26] <kalikiana> hyper_ch, It's a file search frontend by me, in pyGtk.
[05:27] <TheSheep> kalikiana: fortunately, time is somethng that never runs out
[05:27] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: why do I keep hearing at exams then "time is up" ^^
[05:27] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Well, I'm sure some day my time will *come*. :P
[05:27] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: because they use a special kind of time, marked for the exam ;)
[05:28] <Eagle_101> hyper_ch, wget says 39% complete
[05:28] <grazie> kalikiana: would it not have been less work ge
[05:28] <grazie> kalikiana: would it not have been less work to get css working with dillo?
[05:28] <hyper_ch> Eagle_101: well, if you have problems with your broadcom card... you can bug TheSheep... he's sort of all-knowing
[05:28] <TheSheep> grazie: definitely not
[05:28] <Eagle_101> ah I will :)
[05:28] <TheSheep> grazie: b'sides, dillo has a retarded user interface
[05:28] <Eagle_101> thanks hyper_ch :)
[05:28] <kalikiana> grazie, Nope, dillo would need more that a "little" css update.
[05:28] <hyper_ch> Eagle_101: you're welcome :)
[05:29] <hyper_ch> what is dillo=
[05:30] <grazie> !dillo
[05:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dillo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:30] <kalikiana> grazie, WebKit is already extremely fast and functional, it only lacks a gtk interface.
[05:30] <hyper_ch> kalikiana: does your browser store forms?
[05:31] <kalikiana> hyper_ch, You mean like firefox's 'Save this password'? Not yet. I am planning a formfill similar to Opera's magic wand - which is more secure.
[05:31] <Jester45> !info dillo
[05:31] <ubotu> dillo: Small and fast web browser. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.5-4.1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 354 kB, installed size 956 kB
[05:31] <hyper_ch> kalikiana: not only save passwords but store whole forms
[05:31] <kalikiana> hyper_ch, Yep, also forms.
[05:31] <hyper_ch> kalikiana: sort of ai_roboform in windows
[05:32] <hyper_ch> kalikiana: and there's a wand plugin for firefox :)
[05:32] <Jester45> there is a plug in for everything
[05:32] <TheSheep> it's good to store form contents in history, so that when you hit "back" you don't have to fill it again
[05:32] <kalikiana> hyper_ch, I have the wand for firefox already ;)
[05:32] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: that's also a thing I miss about FF
[05:33] <Eagle_101> mmmm how good is dillo? (is it a less bloated firefox?)
[05:33] <hyper_ch> hitting back reloads the webpage... it doesn't just go back
[05:33] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: huh? it does that for me...
[05:33] <Jester45> Eagle_101: its a lot lighter but it doesnt have support for css and other things
[05:33] <hyper_ch> kalikiana: so have I... to bad there is no option of deleting logins from that ff wand plugin
[05:33] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: it does not for me
[05:33] <TheSheep> well, SOA#1
[05:34] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: but then many things work not for me the same way as the do for others
[05:34] <hyper_ch> !bug1
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bug1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <hyper_ch> !bug
[05:34] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[05:34] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no, Standard Operator Answer #1: "works for me"
[05:34] <hyper_ch> how can I fetch a certain bug from launchpad using ubotu?
[05:34] <TheSheep> Bug #666
[05:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 666 in malone "can't file a bug on Ubuntu" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/666
[05:35] <hyper_ch> bug #1
[05:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[05:35] <Eagle_101> haha
[05:35] <Jester45> #1 is good
[05:35] <hyper_ch> dell is now selling machines with ubuntu preinstalled... as soon as I can order from Switzerland I'll get a notebook
[05:35] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: but most of their machines still come with "Genuine Vista" :(
[05:36] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: in the US its 2 desktops models and 1 notebook that comes with ubuntu
[05:36] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: they aren't much cheaper but I'll get one anyway
[05:36] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: you think they also deliver with Xubuntu?
[05:37] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: they should sign an agreement with Apple to sell Macs with ubuntu preinstalled ;)
[05:37] <Eagle_101> no I think its only GNOME
[05:37] <kalikiana> They are 50$ cheaper I believe - that's not much .:/
[05:37] <hyper_ch> kalikiana: well, large distributors don't pay retail prices
[05:37] <hyper_ch> macs with ubuntu :)
[05:38] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: btw, my screensaver problem was because of that option being enabled...
[05:38] <kalikiana> hyper_ch, Well, in Germany some not-so-big company pays about 80 for Windows - Dell must have an awesome deal with MS then.
[05:38] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: so I was close :)
[05:38] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: the full screen overlay
[05:39] <grazie> Has anybody else noticed that all Vista demo machines have a movie of Vista running, rather than let the user interact with the real OS...presumably 'cos it's so slow
[05:40] <Jester45> vista isnt that slow but its still slower than what it should be
[05:40] <TheSheep> I had an opportunity to try Vista
[05:40] <Jester45> and the ui is bad
[05:40] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: opportunity or being forced to?
[05:41] <TheSheep> it's not terribly, bad, but horribly ugly -- the "pretty" interface is only in the most expensive version, in cheaper versions it's replaced with gray rectangles
[05:41] <hyper_ch> :)
[05:41] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I'm not very religious about these things -- I usually prefer to actually check things
[05:41] <Eagle_101> TheSheep, funny, considering that ubuntu can outdo microsoft's versions for free ;)
[05:42] <hyper_ch> damn, where did I put my glasses?
[05:42] <grazie> TheSheep: probably another reason why demo machines just play a movie of Vista
[05:42] <hyper_ch> vista doesn't run on my machine I suspect
[05:42] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running Xfce 4.4.0, CPU: AMD Sempron 2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), HD: 304/897GB, RAM: 994/1010MB, 150 proc's, 2.0d up
[05:42] <TheSheep> grazie: they probably don't want users to "customize" it beyound repair
[05:42] <hyper_ch> well, I mean not with aero
[05:43] <hyper_ch> is it actually true that there is an NSA-Linux distro?
[05:44] <hyper_ch> and for beryl/compiz you don't need a todady's high-end machine to run well...
[05:44] <Eagle_101> hyper_ch, you need more then 256 MB though :(
[05:45] <grazie> A very good demonstration that throwing money at a project will not give the best results
[05:45] <Jester45> i used beryl on a 400mhz 256mb machine
[05:45] <Eagle_101> O.o no lag?
[05:45] <Jester45> not much
[05:45] <hyper_ch> depends on the video card I suppose
[05:45] <Eagle_101> were you able to do anything productive (run firefox)
[05:45] <Jester45> the only this it had troble with was the window dcorations
[05:46] <Jester45> when you tried to open to many things to fast or move them all, o and the open/close animations ran at like 3 fps
[05:46] <Jester45> the cube was flawless
[05:48] <hyper_ch> :)
[05:48] <Eagle_101> heh
[05:49] <Eagle_101> I just think thats overkill in terms of graphics, but thats me :)
[05:49] <Eagle_101> I want more RAM so my firefox will run properly >.>
[05:59] <hyper_ch> more ram is always good :)
[06:01] <Jester45> youu cant have to much
[06:02] <hyper_ch> how much ram can you put into a computer nowadays?
[06:03] <vidd_laptop> it only is limited to the capcity of your motherboard
[06:03] <hyper_ch> I haven't seen a mainboard with 4 ram slots for a long time
[06:22] <w00tb0x> is anyone familiar with .drmc errors? im getting one when i log into a session, it complains about not having permissions o write to home o i must of sudo'd my way into trouble.  does anyone know a quick remedy to this before i waste my memorial day with a re-install ?
[06:24] <w00tb0x> it says something like, you dont have 644 permissions so you cant save session settings and language settings or something close to that...
[06:53] <scot1967> rdc client that works in Xubuntu?
[06:53] <scot1967> krdc does not work...  KDE thing?
[06:53] <hyper__ch> krdc works
[06:54] <scot1967> Hmmm...  I'll add it back in and try again.
[06:57] <DeadEnd154> Hey ! Need Some Help Here I am running TWO BFG 8800 GTS OC's ON a Bfg 680I MB. I am wanting to install the Ubuntu Ultimate Gamers Edition Linux. It is Giving me an Error That says Cannot load X Server(graphics interface) Anyone know What to do ? And i am kinda new to Linux
[07:04] <scot1967> krdc says could not start rdesktop....
[07:05] <DeadEnd154> Hey ! Need Some Help Here I am running TWO BFG 8800 GTS OC's ON a Bfg 680I MB. I am wanting to install the Ubuntu Ultimate Gamers Edition Linux. It is Giving me an Error That says Cannot load X Server(graphics interface) CaN Anyone offer some Help  ?
[07:05] <DeadEnd154> Please?
[07:06] <vidd_laptop> whats the exact error message?
[07:09] <scot1967> Cound not start rdesktop; make sure rdesktop is properly installed.
[07:11] <vidd_laptop> is rdesktop installed?
[07:14] <scot1967> I think so, I installed krdc using Add/Remove...
[07:15] <scot1967> Searching for rdesktop in Add/Remove only yeilds krdc and Gnome-RDP
[07:16] <scot1967> I am installing Gnome-RDP now to see if it will work.
[07:31] <scot1967> Well I got going with a login prompt on the server but as soon as I try to log in it dies, the session dissappears...
[07:41] <scot1967> Session disappears after login with Gnome-RDP and KRDC.  Any Ideas?
[08:35] <loswillios> Ramla: yes
[08:35] <scot1967> Well looks like no one here knows what's wrong with Gnome-RDP / KRDC...  :( I'll let you know if I figure it out.  Thanks.
[08:37] <scot1967> Another note...  What does everyone here usually use for an SSH client?  I used putty on Windows.  Anything like that for Xubantu?
[08:38] <Myrtti> scot1967: we type ssh on <terminal of our choice>
[08:38] <Myrtti> ssh client is installed by default
[08:38] <Myrtti> ssh loginname@host.tld
[08:39] <vidd_laptop> hmmm....
[08:39] <scot1967> Ah...  I liked being able to save and manage multiple sessions ina a list.  No big deal, lean and mean is what I wanted from Xubuntu anyhow.
[08:39] <vidd_laptop> i cant get my cgi-bin to work
[08:40] <Myrtti> scot1967: you can always do shortcut icons :-)
[08:40] <scot1967> HOw bout' creating a terminal shortcut on a taskbar?  Use Launcher right?
[08:40] <scot1967> Mind reader... :)
[08:41] <scot1967> Can I create a shortcut to a Terminal window as well?
[08:41] <Myrtti> xfce4-terminal --hide-toolbar --hide-menubars -execute ssh myrtti@velhottaret.net
[08:41] <Myrtti> --execute even
[08:41] <scot1967> Ahh.  Thanks.  :)
[08:47] <darrend> does anyone use exaile?
[08:49] <Myrtti> yeah
[08:50] <darrend> what criteria does it use to list artists/albums?
[08:51] <darrend> I tried changing some id3 tags and rescanning, but it didn't pick up the changes
[08:51] <scot1967> quit:
[08:51] <Myrtti> you might want to ask at #exaile too
[08:53] <darrend> Myrtti: thx, I will
[08:58] <W8TAH> good afternoon to everyone (or morning, night or evening as the case may be)
[08:58] <boxnetnet> good evening
[08:59] <W8TAH> :)
[08:59] <W8TAH> i have a machine on breezy and one on fiesty -- the breeze machine has a terminal on the right click menu and the feisty one does not -- how can i get a terminal on feisty?
[09:00] <boxnetnet> eek, I don't know ...
[09:00] <W8TAH> bummer - -so far no one seems to
[09:00] <W8TAH> i come from fluxbox. so thats a pretty habitual thing
[09:04] <darrend> W8TAH: what *do* yu get on right-click?  (assume you mean right-click on the desktop)
[09:05] <darrend> do you get stuff about "create launcher..." and so on?
[09:06] <W8TAH> darrend, yes thats what i get
[09:07] <darrend> ok, goto "Desktop settings" from that menu, click the "Behaviour" tab
[09:07] <W8TAH> ok
[09:07] <darrend> and tick "Show desktop menu on right click"
[09:07] <darrend> try noe
[09:07] <darrend> *now
[09:07] <W8TAH> AHHHHHHH -thank you SOOOO Much
[09:07] <darrend> np
[09:07] <W8TAH> PRECISELY what i was looking for!
[09:10] <vidd_laptop> W8TAH, you want the same menu as your dapper?
[09:10] <vidd_laptop> on your fiesty?
[09:10] <W8TAH> yes -- darrend told me how to get what i was looking for -
[09:10] <W8TAH> thank you so much
[09:11] <rollerskatejamms> Hey, I know about the font size bug, and I know how to set the fonts to a fixed size and workaround the bug, but why does it persist from release to release?
[09:12] <vidd_laptop> if you want the EXACT same ting, just copy the menu.xml from the dapper machine and put it on your fiesty machine
[09:13] <vidd_laptop> rollerskatejamms, write a patch-file script (or whatever) to append to the options that CAUSE the issue, and submit it to the devel teams
[09:14] <vidd_laptop> until someone who CARES acually does this, the issue will continue forever
[09:16] <rollerskatejamms> vidd_laptop, and upstream doesnt care?
[09:16] <vidd_laptop> the ppl with upload rights are busy with other stuff and this tiny glitch that only effects 1 out of 500 ppl (ppl who know enough to set the auto login, and also enought to do the work-around)
[09:16] <TheSheep> the problem is much more complicated than it seams
[09:16] <TheSheep> seems
[09:16] <vidd_laptop> its not like the ENTIRE comunity is effected
[09:16] <rollerskatejamms> how does it only effect 1 out of 500 people? it happens every time i use xfce anywhere. and then i fix it. but it still happens
[09:17] <TheSheep> there is a nice summary at http://scanline.ca/dpi/
[09:18] <vidd_laptop> rollerskatejamms, for ever one of you (and me for that matter...i do it too) there are 499 ppl that do NOT set thier systems to auto/timed login
[09:18] <rollerskatejamms> vidd_laptop, I don't set my system to auto/timed login
[09:18] <rollerskatejamms> i log in with a password
[09:19] <rollerskatejamms> Whats all this auto login business
[09:20] <rollerskatejamms> and TheSheep if this is a general X problem, and not an XFCE problem, why does it not happen on gnome and kde
[09:20] <vidd_laptop> you can set your system to auto login so if you leave the login screen up for 30 sec, it will auto login whatever you have it set to
[09:21] <rollerskatejamms> yeah i know that
[09:21] <rollerskatejamms> but what does it have to do with fonts
[09:21] <vidd_laptop> its the only time i ever see that issue
[09:22] <vidd_laptop> unless you are refering to an issue i never saw ;/
[09:22] <rollerskatejamms> it just happens randomly to me me after ive been using xfce a bit
[09:22] <rollerskatejamms> i log out, log back in, and the fonts shrink
[09:22] <rollerskatejamms> cant figure out what i do that triggers it
[09:23] <vidd_laptop> oh...i thought you were refering to the issue with the login window itself.....
[09:23] <vidd_laptop> in your case...disregaurd EVERYTHING i said before
[09:23] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[09:24] <rollerskatejamms> hehe
[09:24] <TheSheep> rollerskatejamms: that's because both GNOME and KDE bypass the normal mechanisms and hardwire the fonts
[09:24] <rollerskatejamms> TheSheep, so why not do that?
[09:24] <Jester45> becuase it would be a big change im guessing
[09:24] <TheSheep> rollerskatejamms: because it only works for some hardware and settings
[09:25] <rollerskatejamms> o ok
[09:25] <rollerskatejamms> TheSheep, so gnome and kde work in a way that could break on some hardware?
[09:25] <TheSheep> rollerskatejamms: for exampl,e if you have an exceptionally large resolution (and the monitors are developing fast), the default hardcoded font might be a little unreadable...
[09:25] <rollerskatejamms> TheSheep, Right but you can make it bigger
[09:26] <rollerskatejamms> system -> preferences -> font
[09:26] <TheSheep> rollerskatejamms: not to mention devices with unusual pixel shape
[09:26] <TheSheep> rollerskatejamms: but with the current system, you don't have to
[09:26] <rollerskatejamms> TheSheep, yeah but the current system makes the fonts shrink automagically
[09:26] <TheSheep> rollerskatejamms: or ratherm you wouldn't have to if just the programmers didn't hardcode everythin in their applications
[09:28] <rollerskatejamms> Anyway the bug is no big deal for me. I just fix it each time. But my friend wants me to put ubuntu (read xubuntu) on his PIII 700mhz with 128mb of ram, and he defninitely wouldn't have a clue how to fix it. I can do it for him but thats besides the point.
[09:29] <TheSheep> rollerskatejamms: have you tried any of the workarounds mentionad on that page I linked?
[09:30] <rollerskatejamms> TheSheep, I've fixed it using a workaround for myself.
[09:30] <rollerskatejamms> but hed just throw up his hands if he had to google a solution
[09:30] <rollerskatejamms> hes not a tech
[09:33] <TheSheep> this is a hard one
[09:33] <TheSheep> to make things even worse, not all monitors report their resolution properly
[09:37] <rollerskatejamms> lol
[09:37] <rollerskatejamms> so theres nothing to be done?
[09:37] <TheSheep> there is: pressure the developers and monitor manufacturers
[09:38] <TheSheep> creating a workaround would effectively remove any pressure
[09:38] <TheSheep> then again, that would beb etter for users
[10:19] <dobbbob> hwo can i change the default power governors?
[11:06] <sb73542> hello all
[11:06] <sb73542> is the following statement on http://www.xubuntu.org/get correct:
[11:06] <sb73542> To run the Desktop CD (LiveCD + Install CD), you need 128 MB RAM to run or 192 MB RAM to install. The Alternate Install CD only required you to have 64 MB RAM.
[11:06] <sb73542> ?
[11:06] <Merchelo> yes
[11:07] <sb73542> it requires 192 to install from the live cd?
[11:07] <Enlil> hi
[11:07] <Merchelo> yeah, but only 64 from the alternate CD
[11:07] <sb73542> I'm asking because at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/  it says:
[11:08] <sb73542> The desktop CD allows you to try Xubuntu without changing your computer at all, and at your option to install it permanently later. This type of CD is what most people will want to use. You will need at least 128MB of RAM to install from this CD.
[11:08] <Enlil> Hmm, i've a problem ^^. I'me now logged in the "failsafe term" session, cuz my usual xfce session goes wrong. Actually, (with the xfce one), I don't see the two bars (at the top and at the bottom of the screen) :s
[11:08] <Merchelo> sb73542: how much ram do you have?
[11:08] <Enlil> so I can't access the menu, the bin, the secon desktop, nothing
[11:08] <sb73542> 128 MB on the target machine
[11:08] <Enlil> need help...
[11:09] <Merchelo> should be ok then sb73542
[11:09] <Jester45> Enlil: type exit -> login xfce -> press alt + F2 -> type xfce4-panel -> click run -> enjoy your bars
[11:09] <sb73542> cool.  If I could recommend something to the devs, I would say it's important to keep the req's to 128MB, that's probably the most common for a low end machine
[11:10] <Merchelo> haha, i asked a friend what would be an alternate to windows server, he replied with
[11:10] <Merchelo> [21:50:09]  <      ruairi> | installing IOS-XR onto your desktop
[11:10] <Enlil> ok Jester45 , let's try this
[11:10] <sb73542> another question: does Xubuntu have NetworkManager by default?
[11:10] <Merchelo> yes
[11:11] <sb73542> marchelo: networkmanager yes?
[11:11] <Enlil> great, it's working
[11:11] <Merchelo> why yes.
[11:11] <Enlil> thanks Jester45
[11:11] <sb73542> sorry, that's "Merchelo"  :-)
[11:11] <Jester45> your welcome
[11:11] <Enlil> and bye :)
[11:12] <sb73542> huh, nobody mentioned NetworkManager in the reviews I've read.  So Xubuntu 7.04 has a GUI for both ethernet and wifi connections that doesn't depend on gnome?
[11:12] <vidd_laptop> sb73542, that is correct
[11:13] <sb73542> nice
[11:13] <vidd_laptop> so far as i know it always has
[11:13] <sb73542> no kidding?
[11:14] <vidd_laptop> i started using in dapper...was there then
[11:14] <sb73542> huh.  They should advertise that more, that's one of the reasons I've never tried it yet, I thought it was missing some important gui config tools
[11:15] <vidd_laptop> xununtu...the best kept secret in the linux world!
[11:15] <sb73542> apparently  :-)
[11:15] <sb73542> how come the default CD is so big?  almost the same size as the Ubuntu install CD.
[11:16] <sb73542> haaaa!
[11:16] <vidd_laptop> cuzz both cds have all the same stuff on it....
[11:16] <Jester45> becuase it has packages like openoffice.org on it
[11:16] <sb73542> ah ya.
[11:16] <vidd_laptop> its what they DO with that stuff that is different
[11:16] <Jester45> or for xubuntu dont do
[11:16] <sb73542> 1.5 GB for a default install, that's not bad for a lightweight distro
[11:17] <sb73542> does the new redhat printer config tool work very well?  with network printers too?
[11:17] <Jester45> you can lower that alot also by not including lots of things
[11:17] <vidd_laptop> dunno...i dont use redhat
[11:17] <sb73542> it's supposedly included in the new Xubuntu
[11:18] <vidd_laptop> i dont know what printer config tool it is...but worked just fine for me
[11:18] <sb73542> good, that was a major addition then for 7.04
[11:18] <sb73542> http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2007/05/xubuntu_gets_feisty.html     "Another notable improvement was system-config-printer, the GUI printer configuration tool written by the folks at Red Hat."
[11:19] <vidd_laptop> hmmmm
[11:19] <vidd_laptop> let me see if i even HAVE that
[11:19] <sb73542> thx!
[11:20] <vidd_laptop> oh...yeah....i have it...works like a charm
[11:21] <sb73542> smart idea that they ripped that tool of redhat, they have some pretty nice OSS GUI config tools
[11:21] <vidd_laptop> then again....i wont buy a printer without the "hp" logo on it
[11:21] <sb73542> me neither
[11:21] <sb73542> does xubuntu have HPLIP by default?
[11:21] <Jester45> yea
[11:21] <sb73542> nice
[11:21] <vidd_laptop> i thought that was part of the kernel by now....
[11:21] <Merchelo> what doesn't it have
[11:22] <sb73542> and an xsane gui?
[11:22] <Jester45> i think in a few years the kernal is gonna be huge
[11:23] <vidd_laptop> i thought it was amusing that my sister got a brand new hp printer with her vista box....and vista couldn't run it...but it just worked with xubuntu
[11:23] <sb73542> interesting
[11:24] <Merchelo> !java
[11:24] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[11:24] <vidd_laptop> im sure we will soon see devices labled "Supported OSes....Winxp, Win9x, Ubuntu"
[11:25] <Jester45> im not
[11:25] <sb73542> well, 12 hours from now I should have my Xubuntu iso ready to play, thanks for your advice(s)
[11:25] <sb73542> ciao.
[11:25] <vidd_laptop> 12 hours?????
[11:25] <sb73542> yup, slowwwwwwwwwwwww dsl
[11:25] <vidd_laptop> why so long?
[11:25] <sb73542> i'm in the amazon of south america, i consider myself lucky  :-)
[11:26] <vidd_laptop> get the mini iso, and just dl everything from the internet
[11:26] <Merchelo> stuff that you need
[11:26] <sb73542> hmmmm, not a bad idea
[11:26] <Jester45> its faster
[11:27] <vidd_laptop> i have a copy on my downloads page
[11:27] <vidd_laptop> http://vidd.homelinux.net:8080/downloads
[11:27] <sb73542> i need a full iso though, because my internet connection is unreliable, and sometimes I might need to reinstall w/o internet connection
[11:27] <Jester45> vidd.homelinux.net:8080/downloads/mini.iso
[11:27] <sb73542> thanks for the tip though, I forgot about that mini iso
[11:27] <sb73542> it's a console only version right?
[11:28] <vidd_laptop> as in non-gui (and therefore twice as fast?) yeah
[11:28] <sb73542> installer only?  or live cd?
[11:28] <vidd_laptop> installer only
[11:29] <Jester45> the cd is to small to have a gui
[11:29] <vidd_laptop> ya KNOW ya gunna install...why waste system resourses with the live cd that will just break halfway thru?
[11:29] <Jester45> at least one that *buntu would make offical
[11:29] <sb73542> ya
[11:30] <sb73542> great.  thanks for your help, I'll be back to bother everyone once I get this thing installed.  Thanks again!
[11:30] <vidd_laptop> live cd's are ONLY useful as demo's or rescue disks.....
[11:30] <Jester45> very usfull rescue disks
[11:31] <vidd_laptop> as do i....and the mini
[11:31] <BFTD> hiya all
[11:32] <vidd_laptop> did they ever fix it?
[11:32] <Jester45> hi
[11:32] <vidd_laptop> hello BFTD
[11:32] <BFTD> fix what?
[11:32] <Jester45> there are a lot of bugs with the gui installer
[11:32] <vidd_laptop> the live cd
[11:32] <BFTD> yeah
[11:32] <BFTD> I could never get the live installer to install anything
[11:33] <vidd_laptop> anyone here know anything about setting up apache?
[11:34] <tonyyarusso> vidd_laptop: some
[11:34] <BFTD> vidd_laptop yeah
[11:34] <vidd_laptop> for some reason, i cant get cgi to work....
[11:34] <Jester45> vidd_laptop: do you have mysql set up?
[11:34] <vidd_laptop> all it does is try to make ya download the cgi file
[11:35] <vidd_laptop> Jester45, yes i do
[11:35] <Jester45> ok
[11:35] <vidd_laptop> can y'all help any?
[11:37] <Jester45> vidd_laptop:  can youwrite to my /website dir?
[11:38] <vidd_laptop> Jester45, did you make the symbolic link to that directory yet?
[11:38] <Jester45> yea
[11:38] <Jester45> but i cant write to it
[11:39] <vidd_laptop> i dont see the link in my home directory
[11:39] <Jester45> i do
[11:39] <Jester45> arrg
[11:40] <Jester45> couldnt i just make it owned by me and you beingin my group write to it?
[11:40] <vidd_laptop> should
[11:40] <vidd_laptop> but i still dont see a link to it in my home directory
[11:41] <vidd_laptop> =\
[11:41] <Jester45> ok well, im going to put it in my home and i will copy the folder to you
[11:41] <vidd_laptop> BFTD, any idea why my cgi's are not running?
[11:42] <BFTD> hrm
[11:42] <BFTD> conflict
[11:42] <BFTD> did you look at the logs?
[11:42] <vidd_laptop> logs......
[11:43] <BFTD> /var/logs
[11:46] <vidd_laptop> for some reason it is looking in /usr/lib/cgi-bin, and not in my website's cgi-bin folder
[11:46] <BFTD> how does the http.conf look?
[11:47] <vidd_laptop> !paste
[11:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:52] <Jester45> vidd_laptop: dont let your server go down for a few minutes im uploading somthing
[11:52] <vidd_laptop> ok
[11:56] <Merchelo> 7.04 ISO, or 6.04 ISO and update manager
[11:56] <Merchelo> ?
[11:56] <Jester45> 7.04 is the newest
[11:57] <Merchelo> but it would use the same bandwidth, to download the 7.04 ISO as it would to update from 6.04 -> 7.04 no?
[11:58] <TehRealNexGen> no surely it would use less bandwidth to do the latter
[11:59] <Merchelo> I Suppose there's only one way to find out
[11:59] <TehRealNexGen> do you already have the 6.04 iso on your hard disk?
[11:59] <Merchelo> yeah
[12:00] <Jester45> upgrading ttakes less bandwidth
[12:00] <Jester45> vidd_laptop: im done
[12:00] <vidd_laptop> ok
[12:01] <Pumpernickel> It takes about the same bandwidth either way - you'll need to download the complete set of packages - and you're less likely to hit regressions type bugs with a clean install.
[12:02] <Pumpernickel> s/regressions/regression/
[12:02] <vidd_laptop> BFTD, i copied it to my downloads page:
[12:02] <vidd_laptop> http://vidd.homelinux.net:8080/downloads/
[12:03] <Merchelo> cool, thanks Pumpernickel.
[12:05] <vidd_laptop> BFTD, does that help any?
[12:07] <Merchelo> Pumpernickel: is it also true that since ubuntu 7.04 has native java 6 support the same is for xubuntu 7.04 ?
[12:08] <Jester45> Merchelo: that would be true
[12:08] <Jester45> now it having native support, im not sure about that
[12:09] <wonderl00t> cant get listen music player to work..any ideas, guys???
[12:09] <Jester45> wonderl00t: what player are you using
[12:09] <scot1967> Error running rdesktop, "NOT IMPLEMENTED System pointer message 0x7f00"  Happens when run from CD a well as installed on the HDD
[12:10] <wonderl00t> or better yet, how to NOT let xfce see my internal sound ich5?
[12:10] <scot1967> tsclient shows me the message
[12:10] <wonderl00t>  Jester45: 'listen'
[12:11] <Jester45> o i never heard of it, i dont know how to keep xfce from know about your card
[12:11] <wonderl00t> an amarok for gnome basically
[12:11] <Jester45> amarok is great
[12:14] <TehRealNexGen> wonderl00t: you want to use another sound card as default?
[12:18] <wonderl00t> TehRealNexGen: yes sir (audiophile 2496)
[12:18] <TehRealNexGen> wonderl00t: have you tried the "asoundconf" command, check it out
[12:18] <scot1967> Odd but I get the same TSClient error in Fedora on another PC but it still works. The error is displayed after I close the session.
[12:19] <TehRealNexGen> wonderl00t: i used it to stop using my onboard soound and my usb sound card instead
[12:19] <wonderl00t> lemme try that thx
[12:24] <scot1967> Setting to use RDPV5 on the Fedora PC fixed it.  It also makes the error go away on the Xubuntu machine but the session comes up, I click on the disclaimer box and the sesion ends.
[12:26] <scot1967> Any one here use TSClient?