[12:16] Because I see way too much "try this command" in #kubuntu [12:17] The people we're trying to market Kubuntu to don't even know what a command is. [12:17] yeah [12:17] And that's okay. [12:17] They can learn about more advanced features as they become more advanced users. [12:19] It's a good idea I'm not really knocking it's just that I acan see it growing to encompass a lot [12:19] the first thing is to dump ubotu' [12:19] s factods [12:19] does anyone could tell me why i have this sort of things : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22989/ and why my debdiff makes 11Mo ? [12:19] OMG?! Did I get it?! [12:19] Nope. [12:20] No such luck. [12:20] Hmm... that one was weird. [12:20] I think I got my KDE4 port of systemsettings working. [12:21] err, compiling [12:21] not working === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-057-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chucks [n=chucks@ip70-162-181-150.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [12:44] manchicken_: still alive? [12:44] Nope [12:44] manchicken_: got something for ya [12:44] Sure [12:46] http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6375/oneclickmockupoc3.png [12:47] Neat :) [12:47] that is what I had in mind [12:48] DaSkreech: thanks .o) [12:48] Not necessarily a bad idea. [12:48] Not exactly what I had in mind, but it works. [12:48] Can KJS actually access the filesystem and such/ [12:48] That'd be neat. [12:49] manchicken_: KJS? [12:49] The KDE JS engine [12:50] manchicken_: what do you need that for? [12:50] In win32 what's the most popular way for making quick UIs? [12:50] manchicken_: JS? No idea; never coded for windows. [12:50] Stick a IE control frame into your program and use HTML/VBScript [12:51] Many large applications are built off of nothing but web interfaces inside of GUI programs using IE controls. [12:51] could be, but I dont think we need the same ugliness in Kubuntu :o) [12:52] Dreamweaver has quite a bit of that in there, Rhapsody, the help center, all of the popular antivirus UIs are done like that too. [12:52] Is that really all that ugly? [12:52] KXmlGuiWindow is essentially that. [12:53] manchicken_: well, it is easy to code, but very ugly ... makes the user interface quite inconsistent [12:54] manchicken_: and I am not sure it is the solution with the best performance [12:54] manchicken_: still, if the folks on Windows like it, let them have it ... but for Kubuntu the best choice for rapid UI hacking is python, I believe [12:55] How is that any better? heh [12:55] manchicken_: well, the widgets are the same, to say the least === mhb is getting too tired [12:56] manchicken_: I'd like to see your idea how the one-click should look like [12:56] I just think we make our interfaces a little to plain. [12:57] If you look at some of our most popular programs--amarok, k3b, digikam--you'll see that they're using very aesthetically pleasing UIs. [12:58] you are talking about that mockup? [12:58] that was 5 minutes with qt4 designer :o) [12:58] Well, I'm saying we're too simple in our design. [12:58] not the final product [12:58] Yeah. [12:58] I would be opposed to a search box though. [12:58] By time we need a search box we've got too many scripts. [12:58] not true [12:59] Remember, this needs to be a place for only the common problems. [12:59] Not the outliers. [12:59] do you suggest that when people need to search the internet there is too much information in it? :o) [12:59] I do suggest that when you give a user a list of 50 problems to solve it is a bit overwhelming. [01:00] manchicken_: search box saves time [01:00] A list of 10 is much less intimidating. [01:00] Not in a list of 10 :) [01:00] manchicken_: even if there were 10 options [01:00] Naw. [01:00] manchicken_: how much time do you need to read them all? [01:00] manchicken_: and how much time do you need to write two words describing your problem? [01:01] manchicken_: furthermore, search box could help you [01:01] manchicken_: say you read the documentation [01:01] manchicken_: you could write there "It might happen that adept refuses to unlock the database; in that case, try the one-click solution [01:01] Search boxes do three things I don't like: they complicate the code (I've been spending the whole day working on porting system settings' search bar), they take up space in the UI that I think would be better spent with more content, and they take focus away from what the user should be doing and put it on the user trying to find what they want to be doing. [01:02] hmm, I disagree [01:02] manchicken_: google might, too [01:03] Google is completely different from a search in a GUI application. [01:03] Google is for searching for information on something. [01:03] also, there has to be a reason why all major UIs and OSes migrate to search-based applications [01:03] Mac OS X, Vista, KDE4... [01:03] We don't want the user searching for the solution. This program should be providing the solution, not providing a means to search for the solution. [01:04] If we design the interface properly, a search bar is unnecessary I think. [01:04] which it does [01:04] so, you think 10 fixes is enough? [01:04] Yeah. [01:04] I do. [01:04] and for all the others use the command line, [01:04] ? [01:05] that is a half-baked solution [01:05] No, for all others we'll need to reconsider this solution. [01:05] at least it sounds so for me [01:05] Let's name common problems in need of a solution. [01:05] You got gobby? [01:05] not on this machine === mhb installs [01:06] but I am not the perfect guy to discuss it with [01:06] because I have not done support for a loong time [01:06] No, but we can still talk and get ideas going :) [01:07] sure :o) [01:07] manchicken_: gobby's here [01:07] I'm on gobby.ubuntu in Kubuntu One Click Fixes [01:08] am there [01:08] Groovy [01:08] Feel free to add to the list :) [01:09] Does it only have one cursor? [01:09] Weird. [01:10] That's a dark blue. heh [01:10] eww [01:10] sorry [01:10] That's a good one [01:11] Can you think of any more/ [01:12] only of the useful, but not critical ones === mhb thinks some more [01:12] Yeah, in all my time in #kubuntu, those are the big ones === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db4473d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:13] since nobody seems to have my magic answer in #ubuntu or google... ctrl:swapcaps switches caps lock with my left ctrl key. How do I make it swap with my right ctrl key? [01:14] manchicken_: I can imagine an application hosting about a hundred of useful scripts, not just critical issues [01:14] manchicken_: little daily workarounds [01:14] manchicken_: I've got an example [01:15] manchicken_: sometimes it happens with Kopete that it doesn't load all the nicknames from the server [01:15] Yeah. [01:15] I can see that, too. [01:15] manchicken_: a scripty could do that, with one click [01:15] manchicken_: but there are plenty of those [01:15] manchicken_: that's why my UI was search-based [01:15] For this one click fixes I see this as being a one-click fix thing for times when things are really broken. [01:16] Maybe we could recycle this idea for a general toolbox, but I think the most important part is that we have a one-click fix spot for somewhat more serious and common problems, and that it be as simple and understandable as possible. [01:16] Let me see if I can pretend like I know how to use Qt Designer [01:18] argh [01:19] kate needs collab editing [01:20] manchicken_: one more thing comes to my mind [01:20] manchicken_: working on pretending that as well [01:21] except that i froze it [01:21] manchicken_: let's say there is a bug in Kubuntu that is not that serious, but still bothersome [01:21] manchicken_: the patch will get delivered slowly, but we can make a quick bash workaround [01:21] Sure. [01:22] manchicken_: so people can just "update" their one-click lists and run the script [01:22] just a thought [01:25] Okay, I have a mockup [01:25] http://imagepaste.nulldigital.net/viewimage.php?id=222 [01:25] so where am i supposed to get the icons [01:25] some resource file? [01:25] Very basic thus far, but yeah. [01:25] yuriy: I went to /usr/share/icons :) [01:26] mhb: I think icons help folks categorize things in their heads better, I think it helps separate each individual solution better, and I think it just makes the interface look better in general. [01:27] I would also argue that we use the most standardizable icons possible. [01:27] but shouldn't there be some general (theme independent) way to specify an icon? [01:27] Like, for the adept solutions one we should use the same icon we use for add/remove programs [01:27] yuriy: I think you can get that from some kde config class. [01:28] manchicken_: what session? [01:28] DaSkreech: What? [01:28] manchicken_: well, perhaps [01:28] gobby [01:28] the host and name [01:28] manchicken_: but I still like the "a lot of small scripts" idea more [01:28] manchicken_: so not in qt4 then? [01:29] yuriy: http://englishbreakfastnetwork.org/apidocs/apidox-kde-4.0/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKIconLoader.html [01:29] manchicken_: or is that closed already? [01:29] DaSkreech: Use default session settings and Kubuntu One Click Fixes document [01:29] DaSkreech: Kubuntu One Click Fixes at gobby.ubuntu.com [01:30] mhb: I think that's a great idea, but I think it should be a separate thing. [01:30] manchicken_: why so? [01:30] also, now i'm getting way ahead of myself, but is there a way to get a button on the toolbar that switches depending on the current state (connect/disconnect button) [01:30] mhb: I think the small collection of scripts thing is too confusing for people who only know that their internet is broken and that they need to fix it. [01:31] mhb: I also think we should use something like the iconic view for the larger collection of scripts thing. [01:31] manchicken_: I think there is no script that could help you when you plugged out the cable :o) [01:31] Though for a larger collection of scripts I can definitely see the benefit of a search bar. [01:32] mhb: No, but if you're in a wifi cafe, your network was working, and it no longer is, sending a DBUS/DCOP message to knetworkmanager to reset the connection, or just resetting the network interface and renewing the DHCP lease would very likely fix it. [01:33] Or if your wireless router mysteriously restarted and you needed to get a new IP... [01:33] And maybe we could take this route into troubleshooting as well. [01:34] e.g. "I can't send mail" is the problem, and we do several things, include trying to telnet to their configured mail host on port 25, and report back if we can't talk on port 25. [01:35] I keep on seeing so much of this automated help going into things, and I don't see enough of it in Kubuntu. Our documentation rocks, documentation is frustrating to swim in when you've got so many variables in play. [01:35] manchicken_: for the network connection, I think knetworkmanager should have a "Restart" button [01:35] Yeah, but is your mother going to think about that? [01:36] The KNetworkManager icon says she's still connected. [01:36] well [01:36] Mine wouldn't. === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-57-12.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:36] I guess she should check the documentation, which could advise her [01:36] Mine would much rather go to the K menu, click "fix a problem" and then click "My internet isn't working" [01:37] Yeah, but that's coming from the point of view that folks should know these things before using computers. [01:37] I don't really care for that position :) [01:37] yeah, likely [01:37] hmm, that means you'll need to build a lot of logic into said fixes, then [01:37] it's worth investigating whether Ubuntu intends to do something similar [01:38] I think documentation should teach folks about how to more effectively use programs and make or extend new ones. I don't think documentation should have to focus as much on problem solving if it is possible to have automated tasks that will get the job done quicker. [01:38] gah i think i broke gnome [01:38] On purpose? [01:38] crimsun: yeah but as long as it's being done within the Gnome interface we still need to rethink it for KDE [01:38] crimsun: well they don't know about our idea yet [01:38] no :D [01:39] DaSkreech: that's my point. Use a backend and a frontend. [01:39] I don't mind asking what they're doing, but I have a feeling I'll get much more of the "well they should know what they're doing already" mindset there. [01:39] the backend are scripts [01:39] DaSkreech: Something that would require user interaction will necessitate GUIs, not just simple scripts. [01:39] e.g., I'm writing pygtk and pyqt frontends for an asoundconf-based tool. [01:40] And since I hate python, I think Ruby is an excellent choice. [01:40] :) [01:40] Doesn't Ruby have good KDE bindings? [01:41] bad choice [01:41] :o) [01:41] I'd love to use Perl. [01:41] But the guy who maintained Qt.pm seems to have disappeared. [01:41] crimsun: oh? awesome! (bug 31893) [01:41] Launchpad bug 31893 in kdebase "Multiple sound cards difficult to manage with asoundconf" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31893 [01:41] I don't argue too much. The sabdfl likes Python, hence I may as well not beat my brains out. [01:42] yuriy: yes, precisely. [01:42] manchicken_: the idea needs to be expanded carefully [01:43] crimsun: If we always exercised that mentality we'd all be using VB universally by now ;) [01:43] mhb: Naw. It needs to me kept simple. [01:43] The larger version of it, with the lots of scripts, may require more though, but I really think that as far as the one-click fix UI itself it should be kept as simple as possible. [01:44] manchicken_: Martin, Thomas, and I wrote asoundconf as a backend. Whoever doesn't like pyqt or whatever can feel free to use whatever bindings (s)he feels. [01:45] ugh this is kind of annoying.. nuking all the . dirs didn't help [01:45] manchicken_: I kind of think your approach is still a bit incorrect [01:46] manchicken_: because my mother wouldn't be checking K menu for fixes unless she was told to [01:46] (and she can be as easily told to right click the knetworkmanager icon) [01:46] Unless she'd seen that choice there one of the thousands of times she'd opened the K menu in the past. [01:47] manchicken_: you sure? [01:47] mhb: Why do folks know where to find add/remove programs? [01:48] Especially if we call it something like "fix common problems" [01:48] manchicken_: hmm [01:48] manchicken_: this might lead to the same fiasco as happened with Microsoft Help [01:49] What's that? [01:49] manchicken_: people learned to ignore it because there never was anything helpful beside "Have you tried switching the computer on and off?" [01:49] I'm not talking about troubleshooting just yet. [01:49] I'm talking about buttons that fix the problem for you. [01:49] I know [01:49] "How do you fix this?" "click A, and then B" [01:50] but if they don't, will you try them again? [01:50] The reset button for knetworkmanager is also good... but I like having a central spot for this, too. [01:50] Well, that's the thing. [01:51] We'd need to have those scripts be as well constructed as possible. [01:51] seeing your mockup, I fear you are creating a bunch of wizards [01:51] manchicken_: so this isn't a Gib submission? [01:52] the idea was "one click, that's all" [01:52] DaSkreech: This is an idea. [01:52] Ok [01:52] is anyone on the Kubuntu One Fixes doc? [01:52] mhb: No. I only see further GUI interaction as necessary when user input is needed. [01:52] I am. [01:53] 12 would fall under #2 [01:53] 13 is unnecessary. I don't think this would be the place for compositing. [01:53] manchicken_: and by user input you mean? [01:54] manchicken_: "Was that helpful to you?" :D [01:54] manchicken_: no, seriously [01:54] mhb: kdesu, if you had a "change your hostname" one (VERY BAD EXAMPLE), asking them what to change it to. === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:54] manchicken_: if the user has to click through several dialogs, the UI is kind of bad [01:54] I agree. [01:54] manchicken_: not really [01:54] and the mockup suggests that there will be additional window with details [01:55] plus the kdesu window - granting privileges [01:55] Ideally each one would only have one dialog... "Your fix has been run. If your problem has not been resolved please email XXX@XXX with the file /tmp/XXX.log" [01:55] 12 would be wireless has never worked [01:56] Wireless never working is a much more complicated fix than this system could address. [01:56] Especially since there are so many different hardware configurations to choose from. [01:56] the more I think of it, the more I start to dislike your suggestion [01:56] And then we'd have to distribute windows drivers for ndiswrapper, etc. [01:56] mhb: Why? [01:57] a) before a release, you could never know what issues there are going to be [01:57] b) people might be angry when it doesn't help - and learn to ignore it, just like MS Help [01:57] Common issues will remain constant I think. [01:57] You're right there. [01:57] c) I prefer to see the computer work "out of the box", without necessary scripts [01:58] which relates to the network thing [01:58] making it more self-aware sounds better to me [01:58] mhb: These scripts aren't for out of the box use. These scripts are for 6 weeks down the line when you've either done something stupid or something unexpected has happened. [01:58] Self-aware is a great idea. [01:59] manchicken_: that brings up my question :0 [01:59] Having networkmanager be smart enough to detect a problem and launch a troubleshooting system itself would be great. [01:59] DaSkreech: Timestamp in the future thing is interesting. I don't see that one very much. [01:59] If one of the most prevailing issues is I can't get the network working and you need to download these scripts how does that help? [02:00] manchicken_: seen it a bunch in the past few weeks [02:00] For some reason today something keeps setting my clock in the future [02:00] DaSkreech: This proggy would be installed OOTB, but the problems would presumably not exist OOTB [02:00] right now it's tomorrow according to my clock [02:00] and I keep setting it back [02:00] till changing the clock killed my keyboard [02:00] Do you have a variable speed processor? [02:00] I quit then [02:00] yes [02:01] Those sometimes hose clocks IIRC. [02:01] ok [02:01] I know in virtualization you get weird problems with stepped procs. [02:01] what script do I run to fix that? :) [02:02] DaSkreech: Don't know. Never had to solve that problem. [02:04] good night folks [02:04] Later. [02:05] bye [02:17] awww... he left [02:18] oh well [02:18] yuriy: It looks like iconLoader() was moved to KApplication [02:18] for KDE4 [02:18] manchicken_: if I disconnect will the document disappear? [02:18] Nope [02:18] ok [02:18] Now I know what is it like to install a KDe app :( [02:24] What now? [02:26] installing gobby [02:26] installed like near 30 Megs of stuff [02:26] just to view a text document :( [02:26] That's a GTK app [02:27] Yeah I know [02:27] but people keep not installing KDE apps cause they say it's too much of a leap [02:27] to install any app no matter how small all the KDElibs etc come along for the ride [02:28] I installed gobby and was thinking what the heck? what does it need all of this for? Man I'm so getting rid of this as soon as I'm done === Jucato [n=jucato@210.213.222.131] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:30] anybody know why I can't build this KDE (or, Qt) app? http://pastebin.ca/517262 [02:32] Jucato!! [02:32] morning! [02:32] might help if I give the source... http://www.pontohonk.de/kde/ssh.html === ryanakca waves to Jucato [02:32] hi ryanakca! [02:33] DaSkreech: looky! http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/blogs/katapult [02:34] DaSkreech: btw, there already seems to be a superkaramba theme to display basket notes. although I'm not sure if editing them in the theme is possible === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:40] Jucato: going to get murdered :) === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-057-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken__ [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:10] hey, someone install knemo and see if you can find the binary executable? [03:10] it seems it doesn't install [03:10] nixternal: check in Service Manager [03:11] it really doesn't have an executable per se, last I used it [03:20] how are you supposed to use it? [03:21] nixternal: you turn on the service from System Settings -> Advanced -> Service Manager [03:24] ahhh [03:24] thank you === ace_suares [n=ace@fupi.suares.an] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:37] Goodday, developers. I have a quite weird problem that is probably hard to reproduce [03:37] is there anyone that can walk with me or should I go straight to launchpad and file a bug ? [03:38] It concerns openoffice and a very weird 'hang' or 'freeze' after file->open or file->save as [03:38] I have had this since dapepr and it might have to do with sshfs, gam_server or maybe skype (who knows?) === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:41] okay, time to file a bug .. :-) [03:43] ace_suares: #ubuntu-bugs as well :) [03:43] Jucato: Wikied already [03:43] ace_suares: how much ram do you have? [03:43] DaSkreech: heh :) === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:10] morning all [04:10] moin Hobbsee!!! [04:11] noo, it's not morning already [04:11] :) [04:12] heh, no, its night silly! [04:12] 03:12 here [04:12] it's midday or so here [04:13] It's 2:13 according to my clock [04:13] quick, everyone else chime in with the current time [04:14] 5:14 [04:14] time zones are just annoying :p === jjesse [n=jjesse@ppp-70-226-88-166.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:14] 10:13 AM [04:14] [04:16] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/117480 [04:16] Launchpad bug 117480 in openoffice.org "OpenOffice 2.2 crashes the machine with File->Open" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === ace_suares aplaudes that uboto knows trivia ! [04:17] :-) [04:17] ace_suares: you may want to point that bug out on #ubuntu-bugs so they can triage it [04:18] my favourite ubotu quote "breaks (persion)'s machine by running automatix on it. Twice." [04:18] yes, that is a good lart [04:19] it made me actually squeal :p === jjesse [n=jjesse@ppp-70-226-88-166.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:26] DaSkreech: meet you there. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.107.106] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger [n=me@N875P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzh@fw.zaporizhstal.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jonasp [i=jonas@i59F762A0.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p5495548f.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.83.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _marseillais [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _marseillais_ [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:10] <_marseillais_> hi [09:11] _marseillais_: ey hi! sorry I wasn't able to reply last night. I went AFK suddenly [09:11] <_marseillais_> no problem === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _marseillais_ is now known as marseillai === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:42] could someone explain me something. i've done some new packages. they have been build, but there are no deb packages : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/smplayer ! For package i upgrade the deb package are made but not for new package. is it normal? === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D13F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:55] marseillai: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/340537/smplayer [09:56] oki fdoving i look for it and didn't find this page [09:56] why this deb is not in the page i show you before? for apps wich was allready in repo the package are in this page [09:57] marseillai: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/smplayer/0.4.12-0ubuntu1 - click on the build arch link, for example 'gutsy i386' then on the next page you find "Resulting binaries" in the upper left corner. [09:57] oki i didn't saw "resulting binaries" thanks a lot [09:58] if you look that the URL, the binaries are not shown when you have https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/smplayer/ [09:58] +source [09:58] fdoving, in fact [09:59] what i don't understand is that binaries exist, package has been revu but they are not include in gutsy [09:59] http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=smplayer&searchon=names&subword=1&version=gutsy&release=all [09:59] they might be in the queue to beeing accepted. [09:59] oki [10:00] there are too many queue in ubuntu for me .... :) i'm lost! :) === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.213.222.131] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mschiff [n=mschiff@e176100029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:55] kwwii: did you do the eps of the kubuntu banner? === jonasp [i=jonas@i59F76A6D.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@ppp-69-221-237-3.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:07] Riddell: I will finish it today [12:08] and send it to you in a bit [12:11] which slogan do we want to use? [12:12] either your "perfect" one or "Downstream loves you!" === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:13] hrm, "downstream" is a bit too long for the space available === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-88-218.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:25] well, I used the downstream one for now, let me know how you like it [12:25] mhb: ping ping, summer of code has started! === Hobbsee waves === Prezu [i=patryk@dug.net.pl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato drowns [12:29] ooooh haven't done that in a long time :) [12:30] hehe [12:30] mhb: do i even want to look? === mars_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-57-217.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:32] Riddell: as far as the a5 advert goes, we will have to use the one from last year [12:35] kwwii: why's that? [12:36] Riddell: because that is what Gerry said [12:36] mhb: i see what you mean. [12:36] Riddell: I wanted to try to use the new gear from the CDs but I cannot do that, as the file is cut into pieces, etc. [12:37] seems to me like a case of "how little effort can I put into something" [12:38] does seem a bit silly if we have a marketing person we end up using the same material as last year [12:40] kghostview doesn't like that eps file :) [12:41] Riddell: yes, I was wondering why he acted like that [12:41] Riddell: lol, I can send you a png if you'd like to preview it [12:42] sure [12:46] well, it is too big for a png...I'll send a pdf instead [12:48] seele: are you coming to the kubuntu meeting on thursday? if you go for membership we can put your blog back on planet [12:53] Lure: yeah, you can't give back if it has already compiled [12:53] Riddell: will you do it? [12:53] ok [12:54] Riddell: woo! more people can blow up planet! === Hobbsee ponders when to speak to the tech board [12:55] Hobbsee: just do it - anytime [12:55] Hobbsee: ;-) [12:55] Lure: that requires being grilled with scary questions [12:56] Riddell: in Berlin? [12:56] Riddell: are you in Berlin? [12:56] Hobbsee: you can do it! and with support already given by some core-devs you should be fine [12:57] seele: on irc [12:57] seele: I'm not in berlin no [12:58] Lure: i think they want answers, so, it'll require thought, et [12:58] c [12:58] seele: has \sh killed you then yet? [12:58] Hobbsee: eh? [12:59] Riddell: what time is the meeting, i might not be around for it :( [12:59] seele: just bits blowing up in irc, etc. \sh leaving kubuntu, after linuxtag [12:59]