[12:18] <ace_ace> hi all
[12:18] <ace_ace> !openoffice
[12:18] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[12:20] <ace_ace> problem: starting up OpenOffice (2.2) and clicking on 'file' freezes the machine, in the following way:
[12:20] <ace_ace> 1. all processes go on their normal way
[12:20] <ace_ace> 2. on my 3-head machine, I am stuck inside the screen that displays openoffice
[12:21] <ace_ace> 3. the mouse moves stuteringly, jagging, very slow near the edges of the screen
[12:21] <ace_ace> 4. I can not access any kde functions like taskbar, alt-tab, alt-f2, alt-esc
[12:22] <ace_ace> From a remote terminal I killed all openoffice processes, but that didn't help
[12:22] <khaije1> what do i need to do have my /etc/hosts file override the lan dns server?
[12:22] <khaije1> I've already added order host bind    in host.conf
[12:23] <raul> Hello
[12:23] <ace_ace> I think it is hanging at the file->open dialog somewhere, maybe because of sshfs  or other stuff.
[12:23] <ace_ace>  I had similar problems in Dapper
[12:24] <raul> Hello everybody!
[12:24] <ace_ace> hello raul
[12:24] <raul> I have a little question
[12:25] <ace_ace> raul: always start with the question, not with 'hello'
[12:25] <raul> Is posible install ubuntu-desktop (aka gnome) in kubuntu from a "live" ubuntu cdrom
[12:25] <adaptr> and never, ever, admit to actually having a question
[12:25] <ace_ace> adaptr: I have a question: why not? ;-)
[12:26] <adaptr> ace_ace well, because I WON'T ANSWER IT :)
[12:26] <raul> do I need the alternate cd?
[12:26] <ace_ace> raul: I don't now, but I guess that if you use the cd in your /etc/apt/sources.list, well then maybe...
[12:26] <Sanne> raul: only the alternate cd can be used as a repository
[12:27] <raul> yes I added with apt-cdrom add
[12:27] <ace_ace> Sanne: oh yeah, allright... forget my answer,. raul!
[12:27] <Sanne> raul: the live cd has a slightly different package format
[12:27] <Sanne> ace_ace: :)
[12:27] <raul> but I didn't work
[12:27] <ace_ace> adaptr: what about my *real* question ?
[12:27] <ace_ace> raul: you didn't work ?
[12:28] <raul> not I want install gnome in kubuntu from the ubuntu cdrom
[12:28] <adaptr> ace_ace open up a terminal somewhere and run dstat in it, then open up a second terminal and run htop in that
[12:28] <adaptr> now repeat the problem, and see what happens
[12:28] <ace_ace> raul: Sanne said it dont' work with the live cd but it can work with the alternate cd...!
[12:29] <raul> if I typed sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop, aptitude start to download the packages
[12:30] <hitmanWilly> raul: if you want gnome, why not just use the vanilla ubuntu cd?
[12:30] <raul> yes, I supposed that
[12:30] <ace_ace> adaptr: you mean, walk to a remote terminal, since alt-ctrl-f1 and friends dont' work :-(
[12:30] <adaptr> why not ?
[12:30] <ace_ace> adaptr: I installed and ran htop, but what do you mean by 'repeat the problem' ?
[12:31] <adaptr> exactly what I say - you state opening openoffice creates a problem on your machine
[12:31] <adaptr> so reproduce that while you have appropriate auditing applications running
[12:31] <ace_ace> adaptr: why not!? Indeed ! Why not! Everything is frozen, I can not leave the OO app with my mouse, Alt-tab, alt-esc, etc etc all don't work.
[12:32] <raul> what's the "vanilla" ubuntu cd?
[12:32] <ace_ace> adaptr: I was afraid that you wanted me to reproduce it.  But I am not so eager to use alt-ctrl-del or alt-ctrl-backspace
[12:32] <adaptr> ace_ace nonsense - SSH to the box remotely and kill OO
[12:32] <ace_ace> adaptr: since i just setup all my desktops and lot's of open apps, and if i use alt-ctrl-del or alt-backapace, all that is lost
[12:32] <adaptr> yes, well
[12:33] <ace_ace> adaptr: killing i did already doesn't help !!!
[12:33] <ace_ace> adaptr: is there another way to save the current session befor I nuke X?
[12:33] <adaptr> ace_ace then check what *is* eating resources
[12:33] <ace_ace> adaptr: nothing is eating resources.
[12:34] <ace_ace> adaptr: /usr/bin/X is at 99 or 100% but all the rest is under 4%
[12:34] <adaptr> ace_ace how do you know ?
[12:34] <ace_ace> adaptr: i know because of top (now htop)
[12:34] <adaptr> so X is eating all your resources.. please don't spout useless drivel
[12:34] <adaptr> coincidentally, if X is at 99%, the most anything else can be at would be 1% cumulatively
[12:35] <Punkunity> I need to kow how to un-install Kubuntu and if it is safe, form my feisty OS???
[12:35] <ace_ace> adaptr: I have 3 screens, the left and right look fine, the middle is stuck with oo
[12:35] <Punkunity> I do not use/like it and should I use synaptic to do it??
[12:35] <adaptr> Punkunity if you mean the desktop, remove kubuntu-desktop
[12:35] <ace_ace> adaptr: I think you analysis is only valid for a single processor machine.
[12:35] <adaptr> Punkunity but be very careful what you delete
[12:35] <Skiff> guys silly question but I installed a plugin for xchat, where can I find the perl script file itself, I want to edit it manually ? locate x-sys doesnt work and I dont know how to search the whole system
[12:35] <adaptr> ace_ace not really, 100% is 100%
[12:35] <ace_ace> adaptr: are you sure ?
[12:36] <adaptr> ace_ace so you have 3 screens or 3 sessions ?
[12:36] <ace_ace> adaptr: I mean really sure ?
[12:36] <adaptr> I am very sure, multiprocessing is not the issue here
[12:36] <ace_ace> adaptr: 3 screens, a multihead machine, with Xinerama on. Works normallyh fine !
[12:36] <Punkunity> adapter how should I do it
[12:36] <Punkunity> adaptr,
[12:36] <ace_ace> adaptr: on a SMP top can be more then 100% I am sure about that
[12:36] <Sanne> Skiff: you can see where the package files go in synaptic, I bet also in Adept, and on packages.ubuntu.com
[12:37] <Skiff> Sanne, thanks man:)
[12:37] <raul> for unistall kubuntu? sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop
[12:37] <adaptr> ace_ace "top" can do anything it likes, but your CPU usage will never be more than 100%, for fairly obvious reasons
[12:37] <ace_ace> adaptr: I had lots of issues with OO freezing right after 'file->open'
[12:37] <Sanne> <-- no man
[12:37] <Sanne> Skiff:
[12:37] <Skiff> Sanne, do I need to index all files so locate works?
[12:37] <adaptr> ace_ace I understood that, now kill X and *reproduce the problem* while running adequate monitoring tools like dstat and htop
[12:38] <Sanne> Skiff: yes, I think you need to do updatedb after adding files, then locate should find the new ones
[12:38] <adaptr> Skiff you could also search for it, if you know its exact name
[12:38] <adaptr> Skiff I think it's dpkg -S <filename>
[12:38] <adaptr> or something similar, anyway
[12:38] <raul> Punkunity what do you need exactly?
[12:39] <Punkunity> raul I want to get rid of kubuntu from my feisty ubuntu, i do not like it there
[12:39] <ianm_> what's the biggest distro right now for KDE?
[12:39] <raul> ok type sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop
[12:40] <Punkunity> i only want ubuntu not kde and I want to keep beryl and my other stuff, i just do not use kubuntu, and when the machine boots up it says kubuntu
[12:40] <Punkunity> and i want it to say ubuntu because thats what boots up first
[12:40] <Punkunity> raul
[12:40] <raul> or remove all "kde" packages with synactic
[12:40] <Skiff> Sanne, heh sorry )
[12:40] <adaptr> ianm_ whichever has the most packages, presumably
[12:40] <Skiff> adaptr, thanks
[12:41] <raul> yes use synaptic
[12:41] <raul> search "kde" and remove the packages that you don't want
[12:41] <Punkunity> raul ty
[12:41] <Punkunity> raul i used the command line you gave me
[12:42] <Punkunity> brb
[12:42] <raul> ?
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[12:43] <jimmicaboolie> HAHAHA
[12:43] <Sanne> !ops
[12:43] <jimmicaboolie> HEHEHE
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[12:43] <jimmicaboolie> HOHOHO
[12:46] <Skiff> guys if synaptec says that some files are installed into /usr/lib/xchat and when I brwose with nautilus to /usr/lib there is not xchat dir
[12:46] <Skiff> what gives
[12:47] <adaptr> well.. not xchat, apparently
[12:47] <Aresilek> hi
[12:47] <raul> Hi Aresilek
[12:47] <Aresilek> how should i go about 'doing' mediubuntu?
[12:48] <Skiff> adaptr, hmm I needed to go another way through filesystem not through my other hdd
[12:48] <Skiff> I see it now
[12:48] <Skiff> thanks though
[12:48] <Aresilek> what should i donwload?
[12:48] <adaptr> that makes.. no sense whatsoever
[12:48] <raul> mediubuntu?
[12:48] <adaptr> is that like in between bigubuntu and smallubuntu ?
[12:50] <Sanne> !medibuntu | Aresilek
[12:50] <ubotu> Aresilek: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[12:50] <Aresilek> yeah and i'm in i386 in non-free Sanne
[12:50] <Skiff> adaptr, last silly question, I need open a perl script file, I need to do it with sudo, so I right click to open with, then use custom command, so it would be "sudo ..." and then what?
[12:50] <Aresilek> what should i dl
[12:50] <raul> I have, think
[12:51] <raul> edit your source.list file
[12:51] <adaptr> Skiff not from within X, please just open a terminal
[12:51] <Sanne> Aresilek: you should best add the repository to your sources.list and get the packages via the package manager.
[12:51] <Aresilek> Sanne: actually that was my real question
[12:51] <Sanne> Aresilek: details here: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repository.php
[12:51] <Skiff> adaptr, gotcha whats a good text editor besides nano
[12:51] <Aresilek> is adding it to my repository the better way to go?
[12:52] <adaptr> Skiff oh I thought you said you needed to open it
[12:52] <Sanne> Aresilek: definitely, that's the preferred way to install software in ubuntu
[12:52] <Skiff> adaptr, sorry for misleading, just edit it
[12:52] <Aresilek> ok
[12:52] <Mithsir> Hi. Is it possible that the Kubuntu feisty package KitchenSync is horribly old?
[12:52] <adaptr> Skiff if you want to edit it in a text editor, use Kate
[12:52] <raul> paste this lines in your source.list
[12:52] <Skiff> adaptr, but the command would be the same anyhow I presume
[12:52] <raul> deb http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/ feisty free non-free
[12:52] <raul> deb-src http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/ feisty free non-free
[12:52] <adaptr> Skiff use kdesu when in X
[12:53] <raul> with sudo gedit /etc/apt/source.list
[12:53] <raul> or kate if you uses kde
[12:53] <Mithsir> Or in other words: is there a kitchensync-opensync package?
[12:53] <Skiff> adaptr, thanks
[12:53] <Aresilek> done.
[12:53] <raul> then sudo aptitude update
[12:53] <Sanne> Aresilek: you should just remember that you have enabled 3rd party repositories and which ones those are.
[12:53] <Aresilek> why Sanne
[12:53] <adaptr> why is amarok in medibuntu ?
[12:54] <crimsun> adaptr: is it compiled with additional codec/tagging support?
[12:54] <raul> that's is true, in fact adept update with that repo
[12:54] <Sanne> Aresilek: those are not officially supported any may give problems when you upgrade. So you would know which packages to uninstall *if* you run into problems. But mostly it works, have no fear :)
[12:54] <hitmanWilly> adaptr: i think its setup for extra codecs as well
[12:55] <Aresilek> so now what do i do? sudo apt-get install medibuntu?
[12:55] <raul> mediubuntu works well for me (I have installed kubuntu)
[12:55] <raul> no
[12:56] <martin_> alguien
[12:56] <Sanne> Aresilek: after you update you package list you can search for the packages you want to install, and install them. Not the whole medibuntu.
[12:56] <hitmanWilly> adaptr: amarok just uses the xine engine, so i don't think the extra codec support has to be compiled in, afaik it just depends on the packages for the extra codecs
[12:56] <raul> espaol? jeje
[12:56] <adaptr> hitmanWilly so it's not a newer amarok version ?
[12:56] <martin_> sabe como instalar Beryl en kubuntu+
[12:56] <Aresilek> what if i want the whole medibuntu? i just have to manually install them all?
[12:57] <raul> mmmhhh... mira esta pagina
[12:57] <hitmanWilly> i don't think so...but ive been wrong before :)
[12:57] <raul> ubuntuguide.org creo
[12:57] <martin_> alguien
[12:57] <raul> no medibuntu is a repo like the main ubuntu server
[12:57] <Sanne> Aresilek: I don't know if they provide a metapackage that installs everything, search at the website for info. Otherwise, yes, i guess so. Medibuntu is just a collection of some most wanted apckages, no distro on it's own.
[12:57] <raul> martin mira en esta pagina, espera y la busco
[12:58] <hitmanWilly> adaptr: they may label it newer so that dist-upgrade will download it tho...
[12:58] <Sanne> Aresilek: you aren't confusing medibuntu with ubuntustudio, by any chance?
[12:58] <martin_> ok raul gracisa
[12:58] <raul> martin esta es http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#Eye_Candy
[12:58] <martin_> ok dejame lo checo gracias por la ayuda
[12:58] <Aresilek> no, becuz i've never heard of ubuntustudio, what is it?
[12:58] <innernaut> man I still can't get this
[12:58] <raul> ahi esta Beryl para ATI y NVIDIA, esta en ingles pero creo q no haya problema
[12:59] <raul> ok
[12:59] <martin_> ok
[12:59] <innernaut> system sounds when I set it to OSS... but Amarok wont work...  if I set system sounds to anything else, everything else works but system sounds...
[12:59] <Sanne> Aresilek: (please type my name so I get notified when spoken to) ubuntustudio is an audio/multimedia/graphics distro based on ubuntu.
[01:00] <Aresilek> Sanne: so how's it different do medibuntu?
[01:00] <adaptr> erm.. actually, ubuntustudio is merely a program launcher for a bunch of AV applications
[01:00] <raul> and http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/ is a PLF REPOSITORY
[01:00] <adaptr> and not too useful, at that
[01:01] <Aresilek> raul: what's PLF?
[01:01] <Sanne> Aresilek: as I said, medibuntu provides some most wanted packages that cannot be legally distributed with ubuntu. ubuntustudio is a distro for musicians and graphics artists.
[01:01] <Aresilek> ah
[01:01] <raul> mmmhh... that is
[01:02] <Sanne> adaptr: no, see here: http://ubuntustudio.com/
[01:02] <adaptr> Sanne yes, see there, really
[01:02] <niles> im thinking about purchasing an external hard drive. is it like a USB drive, where data would flush to the device only upon umounting it?
[01:02] <Sanne> adaptr: it used to be a started script
[01:02] <Sanne> starter
[01:02] <niles> or would the data write to the disk on the fly.
[01:02] <adaptr> niles a USB drive would be an external drive
[01:02] <niles> i meant flash drive
[01:02] <niles> sorry
[01:02] <niles> let me rephrase
[01:03] <niles> im thinking about purchasing an external hard drive. is it like a USB drive, where data would flush to the device only upon umounting it?
[01:03] <niles> opps
[01:03] <raul> mmmh?
[01:03] <adaptr> a flash drive does not operate as you described, so it's kinda hard to discuss it on that basis
[01:03] <dr_willis> Joy - got a $350 laptop for the wife with Vista (ugh) and have now spent an HR getting the wireless (so far NOT) working on it...
[01:03] <niles> im thinking about purchasing an external hard drive. is it like a flash drive, where data would flush to the device only upon umounting it?
[01:03] <niles> oh
[01:03] <raul> maybe is a external USB IDE -box?
[01:03] <dr_willis> What was the improvements in vista supposed to be? heh
[01:04] <niles> well i dont want to go out a buy one if data only writes to the device only upon umounting it.
[01:04] <hitmanWilly> dr_willis: i think it was somewhat along the lines of 'these go to 11' :P
[01:04] <adaptr> dr_willis they have a list of about 20 points up somewhere, 17 of which are pure fluff, 2 of which are useless, and the biggest one is having all european governments in a tizzy right now because it's highly immoral :)
[01:05] <Aresilek> adaptr: what 'feature' is immoral?
[01:05] <adaptr> niles no device existst which does that, so you should be relatively safe
[01:05] <adaptr> Aresilek mandatory DRM
[01:06] <dr_willis> adaptr,  well so far im impressed.. "Can not connect to wireless network: reason - Unknown reason"
[01:06] <Aresilek> :-O
[01:06] <dr_willis> Joy!
[01:06] <adaptr> dr_willis oh the good old win98 days...
[01:06] <dr_willis> adaptr,  they got this love log reader and stuff.. but it dont know nothing either it seems. :)
[01:06] <hitmanWilly> dr_willis: that's cuz you didn't buy the approved M$ wireless module :)
[01:06] <dr_willis> back to the windows method of trying random things and hope it works.
[01:06] <adaptr> you love log ? hey, I love log too, maybe we could sing a song
[01:07] <dogatemycomputer> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
[01:07] <dr_willis> This thing MAY become MY linux laptop if it dont start behaving. :0
[01:07] <adaptr> well, $350 sounds like a good deal
[01:07] <Aresilek> so what do i need to get to play dvds?
[01:07] <adaptr> I'd say spread th elove log
[01:07] <zulema> I have a very strange problem, the CDROM got mounted as /media/hdd instead of /media/cdrom, and I can umount it, even as root
[01:07] <dr_willis> adaptr,  yea. one day sale. Its only a Semperon CPU. but heck it has a 15 screen.. so its ok for its needs
[01:07] <Aresilek> the libdccs thing alone?
[01:07] <adaptr> Aresilek usually, a player that does them, such as VLC
[01:08] <adaptr> zulema unmount the device, then, and make sure you're not IN that directory
[01:08] <zulema> adaptr: typo, I can't umount it
[01:08] <adaptr> zulema you're not reading
[01:09] <hitmanWilly> Aresilek: you need libdvdread3 and libdvdcss2
[01:09] <raul> Aresilek install "libdvdcss" or libdvdread or similar
[01:09] <adaptr> zulema unmount the *device*, then, and GET YOUR ARSE OUT OF THE DIRECTORY FIRST
[01:09] <zulema> adaptr: I'm not inside the dir
[01:09] <adaptr> then use lsof to verify that nothing is accessing it
[01:10] <raul> zulema use umount -l /dev/...
[01:10] <hitmanWilly> Aresilek: the libdvdread allows you to play dvds and libdvdcss allows you to decrypt the encrypted ones
[01:10] <Aresilek> couldn't find neither package
[01:10] <adaptr> Aresilek that's because Ubuntu may not distribute them
[01:10] <hitmanWilly> !dvd | Aresilek
[01:10] <ubotu> Aresilek: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[01:11] <raul> areselik mmmh... do you paste medibuntu repo
[01:11] <hitmanWilly> Aresilek: those links have excellent instructions
[01:11] <adaptr> in a rather bizarre turn of ancient history, the dvdcss code was ruled illegal and is now forbidden, even though everybody has it
[01:11] <adaptr> it's just one of those things
[01:12] <AutoMatriX> hello
[01:12] <adaptr> the dvdforum is pretty much a laughingstock, css was so easy to crack it took them about 5 days or so
[01:12] <raul> Hello AutoMatriX
[01:12] <hitmanWilly> adaptr: that's because of that stupid DMCA, but its out now, so it shouldn't be an issue, at least not legally
[01:12] <raul> Aresilek read this page http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#Eye_Candy
[01:13] <raul> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_install_DVD_playback_capability
[01:13] <raul> the last one
[01:13] <adaptr> hitmanWilly oh ye sit is - the DVD consortium (made up of basically the entire RIAA and MPIAA cast) is the party enforcing its illegality
[01:13] <hitmanWilly> adaptr: if they want to take me to court for playing a dvd i bought on a computer i own, lrt them try it :)
[01:13] <adaptr> hitmanWilly that is not really the issue, since they want to stop people from *spreading* the code - which is why Ubuntu can't include it
[01:13] <Aresilek> :-S
[01:14] <raul> Aresilek what happens?
[01:14] <hitmanWilly> then just go to a canadian web hoster, post it there :)
[01:14] <hitmanWilly> or a nigerian one
[01:14] <adaptr> they do have the same laws about it, do you know who wrote the decss code ?
[01:15] <Aresilek> raul: 1 page at a time :-S
[01:15] <hitmanWilly> adaptr: actually no, i don't
[01:15] <raul> sorry is the last one
[01:15] <dogatemycomputer> where is Connical's main server located?
[01:15] <raul> in fact is the same page
[01:15] <adaptr> hitmanWilly it was a Scandinavian student, age 20 or so, and yes, he was certainly arrested
[01:15] <klobster> so kernel upgrade to 2.6.20-16 changes /dev/sda BACK to /dev/hda?!?!?
[01:16] <adaptr> klobster it just fscks them around, edit your bootloader config and you're good to go (I'm on lowlatency now)
[01:16] <phoenixbyrd> apt-get is telling me these two files have errors and to 'autoremove' them, but when I do, it tells me they have too many errors and won't do it
[01:16] <phoenixbyrd> libgnome-menu2 libgnome-window-settings1
[01:17] <Aresilek> raul why did you link me to beryl?
[01:17] <adaptr> phoenixbyrd and they're already downloaded ?
[01:17] <phoenixbyrd> I think so
[01:17] <Aresilek> i think i'll get xine and vlc :-D
[01:17] <hitmanWilly> adaptr: yes, but it looks like he got off...no pun intended :P
[01:17] <adaptr> phoenixbyrd look in /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:17] <klobster> adaptr: yeah, I guess I didn't have enough fun the LAST kernel upgrade.
[01:17] <raul> yes I make a mistake, sorry
[01:18] <adaptr> phoenixbyrd delete them by hand if necessary, but if they truly are borked then fsck your disk pronto
[01:18] <adaptr> klobster that went painless here
[01:18] <Aresilek> ok
[01:18] <nahemoth> Why do I get such kind of warning "http://rapidshare.com/files/11814171/Lock_Stock_And_Two_Smoking_Barrels.DVDRIP.XviD.D1.part7.rar.html"
[01:18] <nahemoth> sorry
[01:18] <adaptr> whahahaha
[01:18] <adaptr> red-handed
[01:18] <nahemoth> "./configure: line 3052: /usr/lib/tkConfig.sh: No such file or directory"
[01:18] <raul> Aresilek, vlc, xine and mplayer are the best players in the world
[01:18] <adaptr> you need tcl/tk dev packages
[01:19] <hitmanWilly> oh quick!! where's the mpaa when you need them!!! /jk
[01:19] <Aresilek> :-D
[01:19] <adaptr> they're *always* here
[01:19] <hitmanWilly> <_< >_>
[01:19] <hitmanWilly> 8-O
[01:20] <hitmanWilly> oh noes!!
[01:20] <BluesKaj> mplayer is tuck in small scrn size on my setup so i use kaffeine and it works fine
[01:20] <hitmanWilly> lol
[01:20] <BluesKaj> stuck
[01:20] <niles> i would like a wireless PCI card.  what is recomended in the Linux world?
[01:21] <niles> as far as vendors
[01:21] <niles> or chipsets rather
[01:21] <raul> niles visit a linux hadware database
[01:21] <hitmanWilly> niles: take a look at one you want on newegg or something, research it on google, rinse, repeat :)
[01:21] <BluesKaj> !wireless | niles
[01:21] <ubotu> niles: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:22] <raul> niles look http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/
[01:22] <BluesKaj> list several cards in the documentation
[01:22] <Skiff> anyone knows how to make a normal user list in xchat-gnome ?
[01:23] <Skiff> like in regular xchat
[01:24] <Aresilek> i can't find libdvdcss
[01:24] <crimsun> Aresilek: ...in medibuntu?
[01:24] <phoenixbyrd> adaptr: it's libice-dev, but I don't see it
[01:24] <crimsun> !info libice-dev
[01:24] <ubotu> libice-dev: X11 Inter-Client Exchange library (development headers). In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.0.3-1build1 (feisty), package size 54 kB, installed size 224 kB
[01:24] <Aresilek> hmmm
[01:24] <crimsun> what can't you find?
[01:26] <raul> Aresilek, probe sudo aptitude libdvdcss
[01:26] <Aresilek> crimsun: i installed the repositery
[01:26] <raul> install...
[01:26] <crimsun> Aresilek: did you update after you "installed the repository"?
[01:26] <dr_willis> wee finially got  this cheap thing working.
[01:27] <dr_willis> 'unknown error = Weak signal' it seems.. duh.
[01:27] <raul> did you read tha http://ubuntuguide.org page
[01:27] <raul> ?
[01:28] <BluesKaj> libdvdcss2
[01:28] <Aresilek> yeah!
[01:28] <Aresilek> libdvdcss2 did the trick
[01:28] <raul> Aresilek did you download the needed gpg keys?
[01:29] <Aresilek> gpg keys?
[01:29] <raul> ok, let's begin
[01:31] <pirothezero> does anyone hot swap sata drives in kubuntu or linux?
[01:31] <BluesKaj> hotswap ?
[01:32] <niles> hotswap, i believe is to remove a device with out having to turn off the machine
[01:32] <BluesKaj> err why do that ...?
[01:33] <niles> it's for convenience
[01:33] <samir85> Hey guys, can somebody help me? I've backed up all my data on an usb drive and now I cannot mount it. I've elaborated my problem here: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/7351
[01:34] <pirothezero> BluesKaj, so that you can store drives that dont need to be ran all the time and have longer disk lives
[01:34] <pirothezero> and transfer disks from one place to another
[01:34] <BluesKaj> yeah real convenient when ya lose components due to power shorts on mobos and other related stuff
[01:35] <Minataku> Heya, dr_willis
[01:35] <niles> BluesKaj: my community college networking course, each student was assigned a hard drive to experiment on.
[01:38] <BluesKaj> samir85, check this site : http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=248711
[01:38] <samir85> thanks, i will read it immidiatly
[01:38] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: still saving the world one person at a time?
[01:39] <BluesKaj> experimenting with pc's one thing swapping drives with the power left on is not a safe practice.
[01:39] <kgx> does anyone know how i can run a script from the command line as www-data
[01:39] <samir85> BluesKaj: i dont think this is related to it. my problem is, that the partition status of my usb drives is "hidden" and i need a a way to change this :(
[01:39] <kgx> su www-data doesnt work
[01:40] <adaptr> kgx use sudo
[01:40] <adaptr> of course su works
[01:40] <adaptr> but only root may do it, so sudo su www-data
[01:40] <BluesKaj> nope nosrednaekim ...there's nothing good on TV tonite...everything is in repeat mode
[01:41] <adaptr> that's the summer for you
[01:41] <kgx> adaptr: what would the password be for www-data?
[01:41] <adaptr> kgx su does not require a password
[01:42] <BluesKaj> too lazy to wash my car tonite
[01:42] <Minataku> BluesKaj: It'll just get dirty again anyway
[01:42] <adaptr> kgx you have not tried it yet, go do it first, complain later
[01:42] <kgx> adaptr: i did. asks for passowrd
[01:42] <adaptr> BluesKaj you can wash mine
[01:42] <adaptr> kgx yes, of course it does, so enter it
[01:43] <kgx> adaptr: thing is, we have a cluster of servers with ldap auth. dont want to mess anythingup
[01:43] <adaptr> kgx how would you mess anything up by downgrading your user account ?
[01:43] <kgx> adaptr: ah, works as root...thanks
[01:43] <adaptr> and I think the correct phrase is "we would like to have a cluster of servers, but right now all we've got is a serious lack of knowledge" :P
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. too much pollen out for anything to have th decency to stay clean
[01:44] <Minataku> Just wait for it to rain
[01:44] <Minataku> Instant clean, no wasted water
[01:44] <adaptr> well.. not instant
[01:44] <kgx> adaptr: more like im not a network admin but just a coder :p
[01:44] <Minataku> Close enough
[01:44] <Minataku> XD
[01:44] <BluesKaj> Minataku, it's gonna rain anyway :)
[01:45] <Minataku> BluesKaj: There ya go
[01:45] <Minataku> :D
[01:45] <adaptr> kgx then you should never have root access, period
[01:54] <raul> ok guys, thaks a lot for everything!
[01:55] <M_Fatih> hi
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> M_Fatih:  hi
[01:55] <raul> I wish you the best from Colombia
[01:55] <M_Fatih> how can i downgrade a mp3's bitrate, i want to minimalize my mp3 files for my mp3player
[01:55] <raul> and see you!
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> bye Raul
[01:59] <BluesKaj> samir85, have you considered using GParted Live CD partiton editor ...it may work in your case ..I think there is an unhide option
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> M_Fatih: are you using audioKreator?
[02:02] <samir85> thanks blueskaj I will try that out :D
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> Katapult is amazing1
[02:02] <DaSkreech> Yep
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> !
[02:02] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: and getting better
[02:03] <M_Fatih> nosrednaekim: no, i'm not using something
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> M_Fatih: do you have lame?
[02:04] <M_Fatih> yes
[02:04] <M_Fatih> can lame convert a mp3 file to mp3 file?
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> M_Fatih: "man lame"
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> read its manual page.
[02:04] <M_Fatih> ok
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> M_Fatih: I think it can
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> excuse me if I just told you to RTFM.lol
[02:05] <DaSkreech> M_Fatih: eh?
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> never told that to anyone.
[02:05] <DaSkreech> mp3 -> mp3 ?
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech: he's trying to downgrade the quality
[02:07] <M_Fatih> yes it can do it with --mp3input
[02:07] <DaSkreech> ah
[02:07] <M_Fatih> but i'm searching to set bitrate
[02:07] <DaSkreech> that's a oft requested transistion
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> no the real question is...how do you get BETTER quality?
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[02:09] <M_Fatih> nosrednaekim: :)
[02:09] <M_Fatih> but it is too slow
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> M_Fatih: whats too slow?
[02:09] <M_Fatih> hmm. whatever..
[02:10] <M_Fatih> lame is converting too slow, i'm converting ~10min mp3, it says 1.15min to convert
[02:10] <M_Fatih> i think it's too slov
[02:10] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: I forget how well sarcasm comes across the internet
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> M_Fatih: thats not slow!
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech: haha
[02:12] <phillips> Anyone have experience with USB scanners and sane?
[02:15] <Skiff> guys any1 knows how to edit fonttype  for the TABs in XCHAT, it doesnt use the textbox one and I want it to..
[02:16] <stdin> use konversation, xchat is pants
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> Skiff: is Xchat written in gtk?
[02:16] <Skiff> dont know
[02:16] <SlimeyPete> it is, iirc
[02:17] <stdin> xchat is GTK
[02:17] <Skiff> ok
[02:17] <Skiff> then?
[02:17] <wolferine> is pants?
[02:17] <wolferine> lol
[02:17] <stdin> well it is :p
[02:17] <stdin> compaired to konversation anyway
[02:17] <Skiff> how do I change the tab fonts
[02:17] <Skiff> stdin you like koversations better?
[02:18] <SlimeyPete> irssi + screen ftw
[02:18] <stdin> konversation is a great IRC client
[02:18] <stdin> (in a GUI)
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> Skiff you have to apply KDE them to GTK apps,and then it will mimic your KDE theme
[02:18] <hitmanWilly> bah...irssi :)
[02:19] <Skiff> damn I jsut checked out konversations
[02:19] <Skiff> indeed its nice
[02:19] <stdin> it puts xchat to shame
[02:19] <Skiff> definitely does lol
[02:19] <stdin> all fonts are configurable too
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> I use GAIM so of course I have no clue about the difference..lol
[02:19] <Skiff> dont know how fast and reliable it is though
[02:19] <Skiff> xchat is superfast :)
[02:19] <stdin> fast, yes, reliable, for sure
[02:20] <Skiff> nice
[02:20] <Skiff> I think Im switching :)
[02:20] <stdin> I've has konversation running for days before
[02:20] <DaSkreech> Skiff: do you have need for heavy scripting in IRC?
[02:20] <stdin> no performance issues
[02:20] <Skiff> DaSkreech, nope
[02:20] <DaSkreech> Konversation will do you
[02:20] <Skiff> DaSkreech, I just like to have the plugin available
[02:20] <DaSkreech> alt+space -> konv -> <enter>
[02:20] <Skiff> like sysinfo/xmms outputs
[02:20] <Skiff> the regular ones
[02:21] <DaSkreech> Skiff: You can do /media in konversation
[02:21] <busfahrer> When I go to KControl and do "Defaults" in the "Themes" section, I lose all icons, for example in the KControl tree, and in the Konqueror toolbar. However I do want the default Kubuntu style back. Any ideas, please? :-(
[02:21] <stdin> amarok FTW :D
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> /media
[02:21] <DaSkreech> Skiff: and you can make up others as you go along
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> haha.. GAIM doesn't have it
[02:21] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: Ha ha :)
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> I know kopete does (I can't stand kopete)
[02:22] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: konversation :)
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> yeah I don't like stand alone IRC client I prefer all in one chat clients
[02:22] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, doesn't work in irssi for some reason :P
[02:22] <DaSkreech> so you use GAIM just for IRC?
[02:23] <stdin> game isn't a irc client
[02:23] <DaSkreech> doesn't that make it stand alone :-P
[02:23] <Skiff> thank you guys
[02:23] <DaSkreech> Skiff; you can pay us later :)
[02:23] <stdin> welcome to the konversation krew :)
[02:23] <skiff_> Willdo
[02:23] <DaSkreech> welkome!
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech: and for AIM, Gtalk and anything elese i might need
[02:23] <hitmanWilly> is it still gaim in the repos, or have they started calling it pidgin yet?
[02:24] <DaSkreech> !info pidgin
[02:24] <ubotu> Package pidgin does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> nah.. its still calledgaim in the repos
[02:24] <DaSkreech> gaim :)
[02:24] <hitmanWilly> guess so :P
[02:24] <stdin> v2.0 beta4 in feisty
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> beta 6.. actually
[02:24] <stdin> opps, yeah :p
[02:24] <skiff_> I like gaim better than pidgin
[02:25] <hitmanWilly> me neither, that's why i was asking :P
[02:26] <skiff_> Sysinfo for 'LinuxBox': Linux 2.6.20-16-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: AMDAthlonXP2400+ at 1996 MHz (3997 bogomips), , RAM: 401/503MB, 112 proc's, 6.20h up
[02:26] <skiff_> sorry
[02:26] <skiff_> just testing konversations
[02:26] <skiff_> damn is that ram in USE or free lol
[02:27] <DaSkreech> in USE
[02:27] <skiff_> cuz if thats used Im screwed ;)
[02:27] <skiff_> not to worry Im getting another gb
[02:27] <skiff_> for this box
[02:27] <dhiogjen> ARGH!!!!!!!
[02:27] <mahdi> anyone know a good pdf editor?
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> skiff_: its used, but its also cached..
[02:27] <dhiogjen> im about ready to tear my hair out
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: whats the problem.
[02:27] <hitmanWilly> skiff_: not necesarily bad, the kernel uses whatever it can for cacheing, and frees it as necessary
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> and don't do that.. it'll come out on its own
[02:28] <stdin> skiff_: most of that will be cache, just run "free -om" to see
[02:28] <skiff_> ah I see
[02:28] <skiff_> thanks again
[02:28] <dhiogjen> the integrated graphics weren't working so i installed an old ati card i had.  and after reconfiguring xorg and installing the fglrx drivers, it still defaults back to the mesa inderect glx renderer
[02:28] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: ^^
[02:28] <DaSkreech> skiff_: nope Linux will use up all your RAM no matter how much you have
[02:28] <skiff_> DaSkreech: is there a ready to go themes for konversations
[02:29] <DaSkreech> Umm
[02:29] <skiff_> DaSkreech: nice to know ;)
[02:29] <DaSkreech> Well you can skin the user list :)
[02:29] <DaSkreech> skiff_: Whats the point of RAM if you aren't using it? isn't that why you bought it?
[02:29] <stdin> you can change the background too
[02:29] <Skiff> DaSkreech, Im looking for something DARK
[02:29] <DaSkreech> stdin: You can?
[02:29] <stdin> yeah, of cource
[02:29] <DaSkreech> Skiff: looks like stdin can help you out
[02:29] <Skiff> DaSkreech, ok Ill play around see if I can make it dark themed
[02:30] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: any clue what i should do?
[02:30] <Skiff> nice
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> skiff I'm using 600 of my 880MB, 387 of which are chaches
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: you absolutely need 3d?
[02:30] <skiff_> cool
[02:30] <gan|y|med> hi
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> hi
[02:30] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: yep
[02:31] <gan|y|med> can it be that a low latency kernel ends up being slower on desktop systems than the standard one???
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: how old is that ati card?
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> whats a low latency kernel?
[02:32] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: likely
[02:32] <gan|y|med> DaSkreech: do know why?
[02:32] <gan|y|med> DaSkreech: in theory, it should be faster
[02:33] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: I guess cause it doesn't try to cache things it dumps as much as it can to make the next request faster
[02:33] <DaSkreech>  since it's expecting it to be different
[02:33] <gan|y|med> DaSkreech: or not faster, but smoother
[02:33] <Skiff> stdin is there a community forum for konversation ?
[02:33] <DaSkreech> whereas a normal one tries to cache most oft requested commands assuming they will be called again in the future
[02:33] <DaSkreech> #konversation
[02:34] <stdin> Skiff: not sure, but feel free to join the channel ^^
[02:34] <gan|y|med> but doesn't caching increase calls significantly compared to grapping it from the hdd each time?
[02:34] <stdin> Skiff: Sho_ is the guy to talk to
[02:34] <Skiff> damn guys you are the best
[02:34] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: how can it if it's cached?
[02:34] <gan|y|med> so shouldn't this be what a low latency kernel does
[02:34] <dr_willis> Hmm. I got a  USB drive enclosuer that also supports networking with "NDAS" mode. over the network. Never heard of NDAS befor. this supported under Linux as well?
[02:34] <DaSkreech> HDD == slooooow
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> HDD >=sloooooow
[02:35] <gan|y|med> DaSkreech: i know, that's what i said. if low latency is meant to increase the responsiveness of a system, wouldn't it be logical, to assume a low latency kernel caches more than the normal one?
[02:36] <DaSkreech> I would think it streamlines more
[02:36] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: ask in ##linux
[02:36] <nahemoth__> How can I uninstal amsn 0.96 from synaptic??
[02:36] <gan|y|med> what do you mean with streamline?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> nahemoth__: seach for it, right click on it and say remove
[02:37] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: drop the overall average time which means having a overall streamline not just for some calls
[02:37] <DaSkreech> it's mostly used for constantly changing things like music or video
[02:37] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: 2000 i would guess. it's a radeon 7500
[02:37] <gan|y|med> ok, i see. i got to read more about it. i don't understand a word you are saying :)
[02:37] <hitmanWilly> gan|y|med: compiled with minimum options enabled to hopefully speed it up
[02:38] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: this is just from my memory of theory. ask in ##linux they would give you a better and much more confusing explanation :)
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: it should be well supported by the Open source drivers, and if its that old, it won't be supported at all by the fglrx
[02:38] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: ok.... so what should i do?
[02:38] <ace_ace> (06:22:20 PM) ace_ace: ace_ace: problem: starting up OpenOffice (2.2) and clicking on 'file' freezes the machine, in the following way:
[02:38] <ace_ace> (06:22:20 PM) ace_ace: (06:20:19 PM) rebecca_ left the room (quit: No route to host).
[02:38] <ace_ace> (06:22:20 PM) ace_ace: (06:20:23 PM) ace_ace: 1. all processes go on their normal way
[02:38] <ace_ace> (06:22:20 PM) ace_ace: (06:20:38 PM) ace_ace: 2. on my 3-head machine, I am stuck inside the screen that displays openoffice
[02:38] <ace_ace> (06:22:20 PM) ace_ace: (06:21:06 PM) ace_ace: 3. the mouse moves stuteringly, jagging, very slow near the edges of the screen
[02:38] <ace_ace> (06:22:20 PM) ace_ace: (06:21:36 PM) ace_ace: 4. I can not access any kde functions like taskbar, alt-tab, alt-f2, alt-esc
[02:39] <ace_ace> (06:22:20 PM) ace_ace: (06:21:59 PM) ace_ace: From a remote terminal I killed all openoffice processes, but that didn't help
[02:39] <ace_ace> (06:24:29 PM) ace_ace: in earlier days, this was probably due to gam_server but it seems gam_server is not running
[02:39] <gan|y|med> thx a lot
[02:39] <gan|y|med> i am asking. let's see if i can get my machine a bot faster...
[02:39] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: using the default xserver ati option makes it so no program reccognizes i have a graphics  card
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: say again?
[02:41] <Kurtiz> Greetings. Trying to burn the DVD image ISO using CDBurnerXP Pro 3, but it complains that the image is too large even though the DVD media has more than enough space. Am I missing something? Should I try different burning software and if so which? Thanks for any help.
[02:41] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: if i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and select the ati driver, then none of the programs reccognize that i have 3d acceleration. so programs like blender and google earth dont work
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> Kurtiz: use K3B
[02:41] <Kurtiz> Chicken Egg my friend
[02:42] <Dragnslcr> Kurtiz- I'm pretty sure I used CDBXP to burn the DVD, so it should work
[02:42] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: You missed the name of the app he's using :)
[02:42] <Dragnslcr> Make sure you selected "burn DVD" and not "burn CD"
[02:42] <stdin> Kurtiz: k3b definitely
[02:42] <Kurtiz> Or does K3B run in XP?
[02:42] <gan|y|med> dhiogjen: sorry to interrupt, but have you ever tried k3d with the ati drivers?
[02:42] <DaSkreech> stdin: read before answering
[02:42] <DaSkreech> Kurtiz: It will one day :)
[02:42] <dhiogjen> gan|y|med: i've never even heard of k3d
[02:42] <dhiogjen> gan|y|med: what is it?
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: ok.. gotcha. I think you have to do a special procedure with ati cards to get their 3d accel features
[02:42] <DaSkreech> !info k3d
[02:43] <ubotu> k3d: 3D modeling and animation system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.6.0.ds1-1 (feisty), package size 10606 kB, installed size 44312 kB
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: cd burner
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> ah.. my bad.
[02:43] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: no, thats k3b
[02:43] <Kurtiz> Yes I have to have the XP nasty on first as I hate to jump through the live CD stuff to reinstall GRUB after XP kills it
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> lol
[02:43] <stdin> DaSkreech: was typing before the message came, the curse of being on multiple channels
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> Kurtiz: ah.. you are in the land of restrictive copyrights...
[02:43] <DaSkreech> stdin: :-) Yeah
[02:43] <dhiogjen> gan|y|med: ohj, that proggy
[02:44] <DaSkreech> stdin: Nearly all support as well
[02:44] <dhiogjen> gan|y|med: im pretty sure it wont work
[02:44] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech: k3d is blender's idiot cousin
[02:44] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: do u know the procedure?
[02:44] <gan|y|med> dhiogjen: it doesn't
[02:44] <gan|y|med> segmentation fault
[02:44] <gan|y|med> sth with pangofont
[02:44] <gan|y|med> you know sth about it?
[02:44] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: You too?
[02:45] <dhiogjen> gan|y|med: nope
[02:45] <ace_ace> Hmmm after I left, an came back, my screensaver kicked in, and the middles screen still dispalys OO
[02:45] <dhiogjen> hitmanWilly: i hate blenders interface :\
[02:45] <gan|y|med> darn
[02:45] <ace_ace> but the left and right screen show the kubuntu login screen!
[02:45] <hitmanWilly> ive tried it before, don't really care for it...
[02:45] <ace_ace> this is *very* weird behaviour in my opinion,.
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: unfortunately, no.
[02:45] <hitmanWilly> k-3d that is
[02:46] <dhiogjen> does anyone know how to get 3D acceleration working for old ati cards
[02:46] <dhiogjen> not indirectly
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: could you pastebin glxinfo?
[02:46] <dhiogjen> hitmanWilly: i dont like k3d much either.  i had a short puppy love affair with anim8or, but it's not linux compatible, and it's very buggy under wine
[02:47] <hitmanWilly> however, i have been too lazy to really learn blender...
[02:47] <Kurtiz> Dragnslcr: I must have some option messed up then. If I use the Burn disk from ISO it goes through the motions but with in seconds (like 5 seconds) it's "done" writing. Trying to drag drop the ISO in the main window causes it to complain about the space
[02:47] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: http://paste.debian.net/29137
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> gracias
[02:47] <bacongrease> hi all, have a newbie question, plz help
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> bacongrease: ask away!
[02:48] <dhiogjen> yes, away from hear
[02:48] <dhiogjen> here*
[02:48] <dhiogjen> just kidding :-P
[02:48] <bacongrease> just installed ubuntu 7.04 for the first time ever.  video card is xstasy 6954 (gforce 3 ti500), connected to LCD monitor by DVI
[02:48] <NotFaint> Heh, I came in here to ask if there was any chance that while compiling the kernel fakeroot might just not ever give the command line back to me and I'd have to manually terminate it, but then it finished.
[02:48] <bacongrease> on graphics option, im only getting 800x600 and 1024x768, not my native monitor res (1280x1024)
[02:48] <bacongrease> is it a known limitation of the packaged ubuntu driver & my vid card?
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: now your /etc/X11/xorg.conf please.
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> bacongrease: install nvidia-glx-legacy
[02:49] <hitmanWilly> bacongrease: the default (open) driver for nvidia is very limited
[02:49] <bacongrease> as a side note, i just replaced a radeon 8500le...that one displayed 1280x1024 on ubuntu, but caused crashing problems (fan was failing on the gpu)... so i made a completely fresh ubuntu install with this geforce
[02:49] <dhiogjen> bacongrease: i dont know how to help you. but i suggest if you end up failing, to use kanotix instead.  it has a reputation for being very compatible with a huge number of hardwares.  and automates most of the complicated install tasks you dont want todeal with in other distros
[02:50] <dhiogjen> bacongrease: all in all, a good distro to start in
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> so is this so shut up... ;)
[02:50] <bacongrease> i agree, it was incredibly painless...took me about 5 mouseclicks to install a new OS
[02:50] <ace_ace> bummer... I tried to log in, and it worked, but now only the left screen and the right screen are knwo to X, and the mouse just skips the middle screen
[02:50] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: haha, i've been using linux for an year now, and each time i pop in ubuntu, i get a headache in return
[02:50] <bacongrease> a few years i tried getting on with redhat 6...whew ...made me compile kernels and etc to get my hardware to work!
[02:50] <hitmanWilly> bacongrease: you're better off trying the proprietary ones from nvidia
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: this is kubuntu.
[02:51] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: it's ubuntu with kde
[02:51] <ace_ace> I hit alt-ctrl-backspace and the machine definately hung,. I cold-booted and now I get a lot of ext3 journal replaying, but he middle screen is available again
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> bacongrease: yeah, install "nvidia-glx-legacy"
[02:51] <ace_ace> man this is getting worse than windows
[02:51] <hitmanWilly> actually, bacongrease, have you tried changing around xorg.conf?
[02:51] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: anyway, this is for my grandfather, his windows broke :-P
[02:51] <bacongrease> hitman:  no, nothing yet...absolutely nothing
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: xorg.conf please.
[02:52] <dhiogjen> he absolutely needs google earth
[02:52] <DaSkreech> ace_ace: Except you can actually find out what is breaking
[02:52] <ace_ace> really  I choose linux to not have sudden crashes and freezes
[02:52] <hitmanWilly> !xorg | bacongrease
[02:52] <ubotu> bacongrease: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:52] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: howdy. Is that true ? My limited knowledge (linux since 1992) is not sufficient !
[02:53] <bacongrease> nosrednaekim:  where is this nvidia-glx-legacy, will it appear in the ubuntu installer app?  im at nvidia page right now... do u recommend it over the driver on nvidia website?
[02:53] <hitmanWilly> bacongrease: try the link from ubotu up there
[02:53] <bacongrease> thnx guys
[02:53] <wolferine> evening :)
[02:53] <DaSkreech> ace_ace: sure if you really want to find out. What drivers are you using?
[02:53] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: http://paste.debian.net/29138
[02:53] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: I wanted to save my session, lots of desktops, open stuff and so, could I have saved the session some way ?
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> bacongrease: no it should be in adept or synaptic (depending on which you use)
[02:53] <hitmanWilly> bacongrease: also, use stuff from the repos vice downloading whenever possible
[02:53] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: sometimes I get very tired. Do you think my problem has to do with... ughhh,,, drivers ?
[02:54] <ace_ace> DaSkreech:  the 'drivers' all work fine, always. I think one is nv, one ati and one intel (3 screens)
[02:54] <DaSkreech> ace_ace: I don't know but it may
[02:54] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: OpenOffice freezes when trying to file->open (this has been a problem since dapper)
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: I BELIEVE you have to have a 'Load "drm"'  in that list of modules, but I don't remember where
[02:54] <DaSkreech> Well those are all open source so you are in good company :)
[02:55] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: hmmmm
[02:55] <jovino> Hello
[02:55] <dhiogjen> anyone agree with nosrednaekim theory?
[02:55] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: and from then on I can not get my mous out ofe the screen that OO is in, I am 'stuck' in that screen
[02:55] <dhiogjen> or no more about it?
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: lemme see what I can google up...
[02:55] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: cool
[02:55] <ace_ace> DaSkreech:  and NOTHING gets me out of that - alt-esc, alt-tab, alt-ctrl-f1
[02:55] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: but I can rmeote loging to the machine!
[02:56] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: for me, looks like NOT a driver problem, what do you think !?
[02:56] <DaSkreech> ace_ace: Yeah that doesn't sound like one
[02:56] <DaSkreech>  have you tried to open OO from the command line?
[02:56] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: I could alt-backspace but didn't want that becaus3e open stuff ....
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: ok.. getting some good stuff
[02:57] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: from the cmd ? While the problem was happening ? The problem happen onlyh sometimes
[02:57] <DaSkreech> if you can remote connect just kill openoffice
[02:57] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: tried that, did NOT work. Tel you what: even when the screensaver kicked in, that middle screen kept dispalying OO.
[02:58] <DaSkreech> Hmmm
[02:58] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: and when I hit a key and expected to see my screen saver password dialog, I got.... the Kubuntu login screen!
[02:58] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: hahaha, you remind me of a really awesome robot
[02:58] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: apparently X restarted itself !
[02:58] <DaSkreech> !xinerama
[02:58] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[02:58] <DaSkreech> !Dualhead
[02:58] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[02:58] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: I use xinerama on the 3 screens!
[02:59] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: but after that login, only 2 screenw here used, and the middel STILL dispaluyed the haunted OO session!
[02:59] <ace_ace> I have !TripleHead
[02:59] <DaSkreech> ace_ace: well look at that URL to see if there is a step you missed
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: ok. ya just want to try it? put "load "drm"" in that list, at the bottom
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> nosrednaekim: you can always remove it
[02:59] <dhiogjen> ok
[02:59] <DaSkreech> ace_ace: Well I know I would put that screen on the end to see if it is related to the Video card it's attached to
[02:59] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: everything worked fine for many mionths! It's definetely rto do with OO and File->Open !
[03:00] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: come on bro,
[03:00] <DaSkreech> Oh
[03:00] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: Okay.
[03:00] <DaSkreech> I thought that this was something that happened more than a few times
[03:00] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: it's reallyh awonderfull systen: Kubuntu with 3 screens and 10 desktops !
[03:00] <DaSkreech> which version of OO.o do you have?
[03:01] <DaSkreech> I know the new release has fixes for xinerama
[03:01] <ace_ace> DaSkreech:  it did happen under Dapper too, sometimes, ALWAYS with file->open or file->save(as)
[03:01] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: where in the list should i put this?
[03:01] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: Oo: the version tha comes with Feisty (2.2)
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: just second....
[03:02] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: should I look in kubuntu-dev or file a bur report ! (I just lost about an hour of work because of the crash)
[03:02] <ace_ace> bur=bug
[03:02] <DaSkreech> ace_ace: OO.o didn't recover it when it restarted?
[03:02] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: it's not OO work I lost.
[03:02] <DaSkreech> oh!
[03:02] <DaSkreech> Yeah that sounds like a very valid reason to file a bug
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-32015.html
[03:03] <draik> How do I revert on an install?
[03:03] <draik> I keep having nspluginscan crash 8 times
[03:04] <ace_ace> Thx DaSkreech!
[03:05] <draik> Any ideas how to remove whatever is causing the crash?
[03:06] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: that xorg.conf file look drastically different from mine
[03:06] <dhiogjen> looks*
[03:07] <dhiogjen> eh forget it
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: yeah... why don't you just copy the "module" part?
[03:07] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: because i'm tired
[03:07] <draik> How do you force a removal of libpango1.0-0?
[03:07] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: forget it , thanks for your help.  i'll just install kanotix on here
[03:07] <dhiogjen> or if worse comes to worste.... windows
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: ok.!
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> *gasp*
[03:07] <dhiogjen> hahaa
[03:08] <dhiogjen> alright
[03:08] <dhiogjen> thanks again for the help
[03:08] <dhiogjen> i appreciate it
[03:08] <dhiogjen> g'night
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: eh.. I didn't do anything!
[03:08] <nosrednaekim>  and you
[03:08] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: you tried. and i did less :-P
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: lol.
[03:12] <bacongrease> how do i quickly change from current user to Root?
[03:13] <rstob911> ctl alt backspace
[03:13] <Jucato> !sudo | bacongrease
[03:13] <ubotu> bacongrease: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:14] <dr_willis> bacongrease,  clarify the phrase 'change' :)
[03:14] <dr_willis>  fire up a terminal, sudo -s  - do rooty things in there.. close when done.
[03:14] <bacongrease> so thats what sudo means... many thanks
[03:17] <bacongrease> okay, im doing rooty things in terminal (backed up xorg.cnfg), however, id like to use gedit to edit the file in the gnome graphics interface... cant save file there because im not root there
[03:17] <kgx> bacongrease: Super User DO to be precise ;)
[03:18] <lycus_setesh> Ok - I feel like a complete fool asking this, but where do I change the screen resolution of my desktop? I am using KDE 3.5
[03:18] <Jucato> !kdesu | bacongrease
[03:18] <ubotu> bacongrease: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[03:18] <DaSkreech> lycus_setesh: Alt+space -> System settings -> display
[03:18] <Jucato> bacongrease: also, we don't have gedit here, because that's a GNOME app. we use kate instead
[03:19] <bacongrease> !gksudo
[03:19] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application> 
[03:19] <draik> Hello Jucato
[03:19] <Jucato> draik!!!!!!!!!!!!! long time no see!!!!
[03:19] <Jucato> :D
[03:19] <draik> LOL
[03:19] <aseigo> the best way:
[03:19] <lycus_setesh> Sorry - was disconnected. Could someone tell me how to change my resolution in Feisty Fawn with KDE 3.5?
[03:19] <DaSkreech> Right
[03:19] <DaSkreech> lycus_setesh: Alt+space -> System settings -> display
[03:20] <DaSkreech> Fox has bought themovie rigths for the Sims
[03:20] <aseigo> start kwrite; open file; fish://root@127.0.0.1 =) well, assuming you have a root password set
[03:20] <Jucato> lycus_setesh: System Settings -> Monitor & Display (repeating what DaSkreech said)
[03:20] <DaSkreech> I need some of that stuff they sniff
[03:20] <aseigo> that way you'r enot running the GUI as root
[03:20] <aseigo> just the file access
[03:20] <lycus_setesh> Jucato: I don't see a Monitor & Display section under System Settings
[03:20] <illriginal> Hey guys, I'm trying to get a driver for my wireless usb adapter, and I'm gettin this error in terminal: http://www.pastebin.ca/517413
[03:21] <Jucato> lycus_setesh: you don't? as in the System Settings from K Menu?
[03:21] <lycus_setesh> Jucato: Correct.
[03:21] <DaSkreech>  lycus_setesh: Under Computer administration ?
[03:21] <Jucato> lycus_setesh: can you check if you have kde-guidance installed?
[03:22] <lycus_setesh> Jucato: I did not. I am installing it now.
[03:22] <Jucato> aseigo: unfortunately Kubuntu doesn't have a root password set by default. but that's a nice workaround :)
[03:23] <Jucato> aseigo: is it safer than using kdesu kwrite?
[03:23] <aseigo> Jucato: definitely
[03:23] <DaSkreech> Jucato: yeah
[03:23] <Jucato> too bad we can't make it work with sudo :(
[03:24] <aseigo> running GUIs as root is just a very bad idea as the amount of auditing done on the gui toolkits and support infrastructure is very low
[03:24] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Only that one document is open as root
[03:24] <aseigo> it also takes a lot less memory since you aren't loading a bunch of stuff specific to that other user (root)
[03:24] <DaSkreech> aseigo:  is that just cause? or can they be coded tighter?
[03:24] <aseigo> so it's safer and better on resources
[03:25] <aseigo> you can also use it even when the machine is across the room. or the world.
[03:25] <DaSkreech> aseigo: also kio slaves FTW! :)
[03:25] <Jucato> bah! I can't make it work on Gentoo :P
[03:25] <aseigo> DaSkreech: interaction of the GUI (from x on up) is just insanely complex. the application code is pretty decent, but it's highly circumspect to run things as root
[03:26] <aseigo> Jucato: you need ssh running as well, obviously
[03:26] <Jucato> er.. right :)
[03:26] <aseigo> interestingly, in kde4 we may well may be using a similar concept to avoid loading control panels as root for admin task
[03:26] <richardinglis> hi everyone, i have just installed kubuntu feisty on a single hdd, which was previously completely used by xp and ntfs
[03:26] <aseigo> er, tasks
[03:26] <DaSkreech> aseigo: ok I'll think about that some more then ....
[03:27] <richardinglis> when i was installing with ubiquity, i resized the partition, but i didn't give enough space to kubuntu
[03:27] <aseigo> we just started looking into using policykit for that instead... so faster loading admin panels with a -much- better security profile
[03:27] <DaSkreech> richardinglis: Welkome to Kubuntu!
[03:27] <richardinglis> not that i have installed kubuntu and am using it, is there any way to use more of the ntfs space?
[03:27] <richardinglis> DaSkreech: thanks! :)
[03:27] <DaSkreech> !ntfs
[03:27] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:27] <DaSkreech> !ntfs-3g
[03:27] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[03:27] <gan|y|med> any experience with the  Planet CCRMA kernel in ubuntu??
[03:27] <DaSkreech> richardinglis: ^^^
[03:28] <Jucato> aseigo: oh kool!!! and if we could somehow make that work for individual files, like what you demonstrated... wow :)
[03:28] <richardinglis> hey, i don't want to just view ntfs, i want to resize the ntfs partition and add the space to my ext3 partition?
[03:28] <richardinglis> is that possible?
[03:28] <richardinglis> i already have ntfs-3g installed
[03:28] <richardinglis> and i was just looking at qtparted
[03:28] <richardinglis> but that doesn't seem to have any option to resize
[03:28] <DaSkreech> richardinglis: I think that ntfs-3g has a ntfs-resize
[03:29] <Jucato> aseigo: kool! it works :)
[03:29] <richardinglis> DaSkreech: http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/features.en.html
[03:29] <richardinglis> that seems to suggest it resizes things? :)
[03:29] <DaSkreech> richardinglis: :-)
[03:29] <richardinglis> but i can't find out where! :(
[03:32] <fogwar> what does everyone think about Dell and ubuntu? lol
[03:32] <ace_suares> test
[03:32] <lycus_setesh> I think I wouldn't buy a Dell.
[03:32] <lycus_setesh> :-P
[03:32] <lycus_setesh> Well, new...
[03:32] <hitmanWilly> ace_suares: test good :)
[03:33] <ace_suares> hitmanWilly: not really I need to register to do private msg, can I pm you to test ?
[03:34] <fogwar> lol
[03:36] <dr_willis> the Dell Laptops seemed ok.. but the desktop box's seemed a little over priced.
[03:36] <dr_willis> But i picked up a $350 laptop today.. so that may become my new Linux laptop soon
[03:37] <dwidmann> fogwar: I'm actually thinking really hard about it ... might actually get a laptop from them (even though I previously didn't consider them) when I have the money
[03:38] <fogwar> yeah i knwoo
[03:38] <fogwar> what a move though, ya know
[03:39] <smithw> Hello everyone. I just installed Kubuntu 7.04 on my PC and I'm having some troubles with the Wifi. The driver seems to be working (since KNetworkManager can correctly detect the name of my network), but I can't connect. When I searched Google, most of the tutorials and how-to's I found were about getting the drivers, which it doesn't seem to be the case. There were only one page on Ubuntu Wiki (whose address I seem to have lost) whi
[03:39] <smithw> ch explained a bit about changing /etc/network/interfaces, but editing that didn't work either. My Wifi network does not have a DHCP server, so I must configure IP, Mask and Gatewar manually, and it's uses WEP encryption, in "shared" mode. The access point (which is in fact a computer running Mac OS X 10.4.9) is perfectly accessible by the same PC when running Windows, so I don't think there is any problem with the server. What do y
[03:39] <smithw> ou think I should try next to make it work?
[03:39] <hitmanWilly> well, with Michael Dell taking back over, things might actually start improving around there...
[03:39] <dwidmann> last time I looked at system76, a lot of the stuff was out of t he date ... what can I say, I'm picky about my hardware
[03:40] <NotFaint> So I recompiled my kernel, and got the deb packages, and installed those with dpkg -i, and rebooted, and it configured GRUB for it and everything, and the list of kernels is there in GRUB, and it looks like menu.lst is pointing to the right partitions, but I get a "can't mount selected partition" error no matter what kernel I select.
[03:40] <dwidmann> *out of
[03:40] <Jucato> so it still won't continue?
[03:40] <hitmanWilly> dwidmann: i usually am, but for laptops not so much
[03:40] <Jucato> er wrong windows sorry
[03:41] <NotFaint> (Something went wrong with my window here, did anybody get my last message?)
[03:41] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: about the kernel? then yes
[03:41] <NotFaint> The very one.
[03:42] <NotFaint> The kernel seemed to compile OK (not that I'd really know), and it happens no matter what kernel I select from GRUB, so I wonder if the problem is with GRUB.
[03:42] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: are all the filesystem types compiled directly in or as modules?
[03:43] <Zeelot> heylooo
[03:43] <dwidmann> NotFaint: probably grub, it might be pointing to the wrong partition, or the wrong drive
[03:43] <Nivuahc> I'm hitting a bit of a brick wal and wondering... would anyone be willing to offer me some assitance concerning dpkg?
[03:43] <Nivuahc> *wall
[03:43] <Minataku> Damnit, dr_willis, you keep disappearing before I check back in here XD
[03:43] <NotFaint> hitmanWilly: Well, I used the old .config to start from, so the filesystem modules or whatever are all as they were, as far as I know.
[03:43] <hitmanWilly> ok, that should be fine then, so yes its probably grub
[03:43] <NotFaint> dwidmann: menu.lst looks right, is there another file I should check?
[03:44] <illriginal> poningru im back!
[03:44] <Zeelot> is there a way to put HDD icons of mounted drives on the desktop?
[03:44] <dr_willis> Minataku,  huh?
[03:44] <Minataku> Yay!
[03:44] <Minataku> I caught you this time
[03:44] <dr_willis> working on my new $350 laptop!
[03:44] <NotFaint> hitmanWilly: I did change some things, but not filesystem stuff, and the old kernel doesn't boot either, as further confirmation that it's probably GRUB.
[03:44] <dr_willis> heh heh
[03:44] <Minataku> dr_willis: Ah!
[03:44] <Minataku> Specs? :D
[03:44] <dr_willis> special 1 day sale. Semperon 3000 cpu.
[03:44] <dwidmann> NotFaint: well, you say it looks right ... even so, best double check, also checking in with the file device.map
[03:44] <Minataku> AMD... no wonder it was on sale
[03:45] <dr_willis> minimal ram/hd/ but 15 in screen. For $350 - its ok.
[03:45] <Minataku> Yeah
[03:45] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: did you switch the drive boot order in bios?
[03:45] <dr_willis> was reguallry like $600
[03:45] <DaSkreech> dr_willis: how much?
[03:45] <Nivuahc> anyone?
[03:45] <Minataku> dr_willis: Not bad
[03:45] <dr_willis> DaSkreech,  $350
[03:45] <NotFaint> hitmanWilly: no, only recompiled the kernel
[03:45] <DaSkreech> Nivuahc: Which wall ?
[03:45] <NotFaint> dwidmann: that's somewhere in /boot right?
[03:45] <dr_willis> its for the wife - this way i get my old laptop back
[03:45] <DaSkreech> dr_willis: inclusive of shipping? :)
[03:45] <Minataku> dr_willis: Say, how's the garage look? ( Don't mean to rush you, of course ;3 )
[03:45] <dr_willis> Now she has to learn to use Vista
[03:45] <NotFaint> I don't think it's a disk issue because I can mount from the liveCD just fine and it reads.
[03:45] <dwidmann> /boot/grub
[03:45] <dr_willis> DaSkreech,  got it at the store. :)
[03:45] <Minataku> dr_willis: The hell she does. Kubuntu it.
[03:45] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, the deb may have screwed up grub...
[03:45] <Nivuahc> when I run dpkg --configure -a my computer locks up every time it gets to initrd.something or other
[03:46] <dr_willis> I should put kubuntu on it and tell her its the New Vista :)
[03:46] <Minataku> Heehee
[03:46] <NotFaint> hitmanWilly: How does that happen?
[03:46] <DaSkreech> Nivuahc: hoard lock up?
[03:46] <DaSkreech> hard
[03:46] <Nivuahc> yes
[03:46] <dr_willis> 'sorry honey - vista wont run AOL instant messenger. ya got to use GAIM'
[03:46] <Nivuahc> everything freezes
[03:46] <dwidmann> dr_willis: thought it was pidgin? :P
[03:46] <NotFaint> dwidmann: device.map says (hd0) /dev/hda
[03:47] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: debs can change around files sometimes
[03:47] <dwidmann> hm, so only one drive, hard to go wrong with that then notfaint
[03:47] <NotFaint> And AFAIK /dev/hda is my hd.
[03:47] <DaSkreech> Nivuahc: you are installing a new kernel?
[03:47] <NotFaint> Er, wait
[03:47] <NotFaint> Should device.map include (hd1) /dev/hda1 and so on?
[03:47] <NotFaint> Because if so, that should do it...
[03:47] <Nivuahc> I did the update via Adept
[03:48] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: yes
[03:48] <intelikey> NotFaint syntax error
[03:48] <Nivuahc> linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic 2.6.20-16.28 is the last entry in the log
[03:48] <Nivuahc> and this is a fresh install of Feisty
[03:48] <intelikey> NotFaint syntax error   hd0 = first hd    hd1 = second hd
[03:48] <NotFaint> intelikey: If I copy the current line in device.map and just edit the numbers, am I OK?
[03:48] <NotFaint> intelikey: oh, it's hd0,1 and so on then?
[03:48] <dwidmann> mmhmm
[03:48] <intelikey> NotFaint not in the devices.map file
[03:48] <NotFaint> I guess I can kinda see how that would cause error 17
[03:49] <NotFaint> erk
[03:49] <dr_willis> Minataku,  well so far vista has been failing miserably on its 'features' :) easy settings/file transfer wizard - FAILED... :)
[03:49] <NotFaint> OK, so do I or do I not have to add lines to device.map?
[03:49] <intelikey> NotFaint how many hd's do you have ?
[03:49] <Minataku> dr_willis: Haha
[03:49] <Nivuahc> DaSkreech: the update via Adept locked up the machine and, when I got back in I opened a console and ran dpkg --configure -a
[03:49] <NotFaint> intelikey: One HD, 4 partitions (2 active, 2 in extended)
[03:49] <dr_willis> Minataku,  wireless wasent working.. failed with some " Failed: unknown error" :)
[03:50] <NotFaint> er
[03:50] <NotFaint> 2 primary, not 2 active, hah
[03:50] <intelikey> NotFaint then there should be one line in the devices.map file
[03:50] <Minataku> dr_willis: So verbose
[03:50] <Minataku> XD
[03:50] <NotFaint> intelikey: OK, so GRUB is aware of the partitions on that device without me specifying, or is there another file somewhere I need to make sure my partitions are listed in?
[03:50] <DaSkreech> Nivuahc: Hmm which update?
[03:51] <intelikey> NotFaint grub is aware of what bios is aware of.
[03:51] <Nivuahc> linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic 2.6.20-16.28
[03:51] <NotFaint> intelikey: Well, it was aware of the partitions before. So I don't think it's the BIOS, then.
[03:51] <Nivuahc> just installed Feisty clean, today and ran Adept once logged in
[03:51] <dwidmann> notfaint, so long as grub is aware of the partition types being used (and it should be), the only lines you should really need to worry about are in the menu.lst
[03:51] <richardinglis_> hey everyone, i am trying to resize an ntfs partition and then transfer that space to my ext3 partition - i have installed ntfs-3g config and progs and qtparted but am unsure how to proceed - does anyone know?
[03:52] <DaSkreech> Nivuahc: Don't know if it helps you but I almost never install a new kernel unless I need to :(
[03:52] <NotFaint> Oh, wait, wait
[03:53] <DaSkreech> dr_willis: any idea why initrd would lock up the machine?
[03:53] <NotFaint> I'm not sure I remember this right -- but is the first partition hd0,0, and the second hd0,1?
[03:53] <intelikey> NotFaint yes it is...    thus (hd0.0) (hd0.1) (hd0.2) in the menu.lst file with corisponding kernel/chainloader lines will boot what ever is there.
[03:53] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: yes...
[03:53] <NotFaint> or is hd0,0 the MBR, and from there you have 0,1 is the first one that is a real partition or whatever
[03:53] <intelikey> nope.
[03:53] <fogwar> DaSkreech: hey man sory to bother but i havnt been able to conenct to my router or my printer i dunno ? lol
[03:54] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: hd(0,0) is the first partition
[03:54] <Nivuahc> DaSkreech: do you know of any way to clear this entry out so apt-get will work properly?
[03:54] <K1765> Hey guys, Konsole says "nvidia-installer must be run as root", how do I login as root
[03:54] <DaSkreech> fogwar: can you connect to anything else?
[03:54] <NotFaint> OK. So Kubuntu is on my second partition, and it's trying to load that from hd(0,2) -- so I change that to 0,1?
[03:54] <Dragnslcr> K1765- you use sudo to run it as root
[03:54] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: yes :)
[03:54] <fogwar> only 2 things on my netwrok... i have internet connection tho
[03:54] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Ping
[03:54] <K1765> ahhhh ok ty
[03:54] <dr_willis> Minataku,  heres a good message "My Music is a System Folder - and is REQUIRED for windows to run Properly - and can not be moved or renamed"
[03:54] <dr_willis> DaSkreech,  nope. sorry.
[03:54] <m_> K1765: "sudo nvidia-installer"
[03:54] <Jucato> DaSkreech: pong?
[03:55] <fogwar> DaSkreech: only 2 things on my netwrok... i have internet connection tho
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Jucato: how do you clear the list of things to be installed
[03:55] <intelikey> NotFaint (hd0,1)
[03:55] <Minataku> dr_willis: HAHAHAHAHA
[03:55] <K1765> It says now, You appear to be running an X server, please exit X before installing.. what the heck
[03:55] <DaSkreech> fogwar: can you ping the router?
[03:55] <Jucato> DaSkreech: clear? where?
[03:55] <NotFaint> Well, why would installing a kernel deb file change that? I'm perplexed. It didn't do anything but shift those numbers up by one. Everything else is configured the same. My WinXP install is still on the menu and everything.
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Jucato: you know when apt crashes for whatever reason
[03:55] <intelikey> NotFaint it didn't.
[03:55] <Jucato> !adeptfix | DaSkreech
[03:55] <ubotu> DaSkreech: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[03:55] <DaSkreech> you install anything else then it completes the list?
[03:55] <hitmanWilly> dr_willis: wow, thats really dumb...
[03:55] <NotFaint> intelikey: Then what changed?
[03:56] <DaSkreech> Jucato: here's the thing sudo dpkg --configure -a causes the machine to lock up
[03:56] <intelikey> NotFaint but installing a kernel will rewrite your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:56] <intelikey> NotFaint that's where to look.
[03:56] <NotFaint> intelikey: Oh. Well I'll look out for that in the future, hah. Why would it rewrite it WRONG?
[03:56] <Jucato> DaSkreech: hm... :/
[03:56] <intelikey> NotFaint in some cases yes.
[03:57] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: it was looking for the kernel image on the wrong (probably nonexistant) partition
[03:57] <intelikey> NotFaint it's not "supposed to"  but that's hardly worth the air it's spoken over....
[03:57] <NotFaint> hitmanWilly: And since I didn't manually set that up before compiling it... ?
[03:57] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: it should be fixed now
[03:57] <dwidmann> hitmanWilly: NotFaint: Hah, does it to me all the time actually (because my motherboard is screwy)
[03:58] <hitmanWilly> none of this make kpkg crap
[03:58] <NotFaint> hitmanWilly: You mean ceramic magnets held over your hard drive in a special pattern?
[03:58] <NotFaint> :P
[03:58] <hitmanWilly> yes, then hit them with rocks XD
[03:59] <hitmanWilly> ugh, me makee kernel
[03:59] <DaSkreech> Jucato: initrd crashes the machine
[04:00] <DaSkreech> intelikey: why?
[04:00] <daaaman64> anybody have any porblems with the kernel update I am being prompted about this morning?   I don't want any problems....
[04:00] <Jucato> DaSkreech: oh the new kernel? big trouble :(
[04:00] <intelikey> DaSkreech why not ?
[04:00] <DaSkreech> Jucato: right so how do you clear the list?
[04:00] <Jucato> DaSkreech: that's the only way I know of. you can also try "sudo apt-get -f install"
[04:00] <NotFaint> Alright, well, I'm gonna see if this works, and if it does, you probably won't see me until next problem. :P Thanks, all.
[04:01] <Admiral_Chicago> daaaman64: you can read the changelog on the kernel and see if you need it
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Jucato: that still installs
[04:01] <daaaman64> Admiral_Chicago: ok I just don't want to have issues on my vacation. Thanks.
[04:02] <Admiral_Chicago> kernels rarely break things, amd GRUB will let you chose an older kernel
[04:02] <Minataku> dr_willis: I upgraded my Macintosh Classic
[04:02] <Nivuahc> DaSkreech: I tried --purge and --remove but both give dependency errors and refuse
[04:02] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: it is breaking things
[04:02] <Minataku> Added 2MB of RAM to it, for a total of 4MB of RAM
[04:02] <dr_willis> Minataku,  heh heh - i got one of those still :)
[04:02] <strabes> Nivuahc: use force
[04:02] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: installing it crashes the computer at initrd
[04:03] <dr_willis> Minataku,  i want to put in an EPIA motherboard. and a little LCD screen.. but cant find one.
[04:03] <Minataku> dr_willis: Speaking of, is that garage safe yet?
[04:03] <Minataku> dr_willis: I had that idea today
[04:03] <dr_willis> Minataku,  also not sure how to  get the original keyboard working
[04:03] <Minataku> But then, it's a fully working Macintosh Classic
[04:03] <intelikey> "kernels rarely break things,"   then why would there ever be a patch ?
[04:03] <dr_willis> Minataku,  been running around all day :)  not had time to get out there.
[04:03] <Minataku> So I don't quite want to do that
[04:03] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: can you expunge the list of things that are to be installed
[04:03] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heehee
[04:03] <Admiral_Chicago> DaSkreech: really? first I heard of a new kernel.
[04:03] <dr_willis> Minataku,  too many specialized machines. :) when i can use emulators. heh
[04:04] <Minataku> dr_willis: Just remember, you said I could have those Amigas... and anything else you don't want that I do :D
[04:04] <Minataku> I'm up to 22 machines
[04:04] <Admiral_Chicago> blah, I meant to say something different...
[04:04] <dr_willis> Minataku,  come mow my lawn and clean out the pool for me. :)
[04:04] <Minataku> Always looking for more
[04:04] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heehee, I said I'd pay shipping, at least ;3
[04:04] <dr_willis> HOW can swimming Pools get so filthy...
[04:04] <dr_willis> it looks like a fish pond. :)
[04:04] <Minataku> dr_willis: Simple. Because you don't want them to.
[04:05] <dr_willis> Cousian had TadPoles in hers..
[04:05] <dr_willis> then had frogs...
[04:05] <dr_willis> then dead frogs...
[04:05] <DaSkreech> then hail!
[04:05] <dr_willis> Thats not good for the filters.
[04:05] <Admiral_Chicago> dr_willis: offtopic Z)
[04:05] <DaSkreech> and gnats locusts and darkness
[04:05] <Minataku> Haha
[04:05] <dr_willis> Frogbuntu!
[04:05] <intelikey> DaSkreech and flys
[04:05] <Minataku> Admiral_Chicago: If it's about me getting free old computers, it's on topic
[04:05] <Minataku> XD
[04:06] <dr_willis> Heh.
[04:06] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heehee, sorry, I get excited
[04:06] <angasule> konqueror seems to display gmail.com as xml text, not html, anyone experienced this?
[04:06] <Minataku> I don't have any Amigas yet, and they're incredibly hard to find
[04:06] <dr_willis> they are?
[04:06] <Minataku> Around here, anyway
[04:06] <dr_willis> ebay had tons last i looked.
[04:06] <Minataku> Bah... eBay pisses me off
[04:07] <Minataku> More specifically, people outbidding me on eBay piss me off
[04:07] <dr_willis> never bought anything on ebay :)
[04:07] <Minataku> Which is why I figured I'd just ask you for your "trash" when you clean out your garage :D
[04:07] <stdin> Minataku: dude, -offtopic :p
[04:07] <dr_willis> i keep ebay away from the wife.. she would buy too much
[04:07] <intelikey> only shil's
[04:08] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heehee, I know I have to keep myself in tight check, too
[04:08] <intelikey> or is that two l's ?
[04:08] <dr_willis> gmail seems to be working for me fine in Konqueror
[04:08] <Minataku> I use Firefox, so, yeah
[04:08] <dr_willis> oh wait.. i spoke too soon
[04:08] <Minataku> Can't help. Sorry. >.<
[04:08] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee
[04:08] <DaSkreech> Nivuahc: how goes?
[04:09] <dr_willis> gmail mail page/newmail - looks like garbbage to me under Konqueror
[04:09] <dr_willis> the page befor that looked ok
[04:09] <Nivuahc> I've been trying to take out things one at a time and I'm about to try --configure again
[04:10] <angasule> dr_willis: same here :(
[04:10] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech
[04:10] <angasule> dr_willis: you think it's a temporary google hiccup?
[04:10] <stdin> hola Hobbsee :)
[04:10] <Minataku> Could be
[04:10] <angasule> dr_willis: I just installed feisty so... I'm unsure
[04:10] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Can you clear the list of of programs to install from apt
[04:11] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: huh?
[04:11] <intelikey> DaSkreech aptitude maybe.
[04:11] <Minataku> WFM in Firefox 2.0.0.2 on Gentoo
[04:11] <DaSkreech> intelikey: aptitude what?
[04:11] <jasant> hi every body
[04:11] <intelikey> DaSkreech the program.      sudo aptitude
[04:12] <DaSkreech> intelikey: to clear the list?
[04:12] <intelikey> yes
[04:12] <BluesKaj> I like Opera's download manager. It has the ability to read and download pdf files that FF and konq can't handle.
[04:12] <dr_willis> angasule,  i think so
[04:12] <angasule> dr_willis: ok, cool
[04:12] <intelikey> i make you no promices DaSkreech but i think you can from there
[04:12] <jasant> opera is the best
[04:13] <jasant> hola, algun latino por estos rumbos
[04:13] <m_> I'm having a problem with Ubuntu. I can't find the upgrade for "My Blender" in Adept. So I'm stuck on figuring out how many shots of tequila to put in the margarita. Should I just drink straight out of the bottle? Something like "sudo apt-get install guzzle" ?
[04:13] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: someone has a problem where installing a program locks up the computer
[04:13] <BluesKaj> it's agood browser but it tries too hard to be like Netscape was in the 90s
[04:14] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: if they try to install anything it tries to complete the list of programs not yet installed which locks up the computer
[04:14] <hakaisou> m_  what?!
[04:14] <K1765> Who has installed a nvidia driver on kubuntu, if you have please private message me
[04:14] <m_> lol
[04:14] <m_> hey, it's a holiday
[04:14] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: then they need to use apt-get remove --purge
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[04:15] <DaSkreech> Nivuahc: you said you tried that?
[04:15] <stdin> !es | jasant
[04:15] <ubotu> jasant: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:15] <jasant> opera is to useaful
[04:15] <intelikey> m_ 3
[04:15] <BluesKaj> try this : sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:15] <K1765> "
[04:15] <K1765> You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before
[04:15] <K1765>          installing.
[04:15] <Nivuahc> DaSkreech: I tried using --remove with dpkg
[04:15] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: that locks up the computer
[04:15] <K1765> Oops..
[04:15] <Skiff> how can I enabled my Audio (AC97) on NFORCE 2 mobo ? so I have sound in linux ?
[04:16] <K1765> What does this mean... "You appear to be running an X server"
[04:16] <stdin> K1765: use the ubuntu nvidia package :p
[04:16] <DaSkreech> Nivuahc: oh. try apt-get remove <package name> --purge
[04:16] <hakaisou> m_:  screw the flash.  pound that bottle like a red headded step child
[04:16] <K1765> Where can I get it stdin
[04:16] <stdin> !nvidia | K1765
[04:16] <ubotu> K1765: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:16] <BluesKaj> hmm DaSkreech , it unlocks the pkg manager when there broken pkgs still trying to install
[04:16] <m_> only 3?!?  Can someone FTP me a straw?
[04:16] <stdin> K1765: read the link from ubotu
[04:16] <K1765> Thanks
[04:16] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Right but installing the programs crashes the computer
[04:16] <m_> or an IV bag?
[04:16] <hakaisou> hold on m_
[04:17] <m_> is this a non-smoking channel? cuz I'm lightin' up a cig
[04:17] <intelikey> m_ 2
[04:18] <ace_suares> !ops look at m_
[04:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ops look at m_ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:18] <ace_suares> !ops
[04:18] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[04:18] <BluesKaj> well  run it and see :) ... if it crashes, , reboot ... won't harm anything
[04:18] <m_> lol - new kernel update deserves tequila on behalf of the devs - ops look at m_
[04:18] <Jucato> m_: please keep on topic
[04:18] <nixternal> hrmm
[04:19] <m_> you guys are no fun. I answer and help here. can't I inject some humor?  sheesh
[04:19] <m_> free support - with a twist of lemon
[04:19] <stdin> m_: or take it to -offtopic, and have a good chat :)
[04:19] <hakaisou> there ya go m_  a nice bendy straw for ya
[04:19] <ace_suares> m_ how do I remove all files from /etc/X11/Session ?
[04:19] <nixternal> m_: please stay on topic or go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:19] <lordofthepigs> Hey, the last kernel update screwed up the hda->sda transition
[04:20] <lordofthepigs> I mean the transition didn't happen for me
[04:20] <Skiff> does anybody have that onboard audio (ac97) that they were able to enable? if so how can i do it ?
[04:20] <lordofthepigs> but the fstab was modified as if it did happen
[04:20] <stdin> K1765: Just follow this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#head-1549d676e3de65ec1342cf2c8e25df0d9745b5a7
[04:21] <BluesKaj> Skiff, is it listed if you do a 'lspci' ?
[04:21] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: the ac97 uses the intel8x0 module iirc
[04:21] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, what does that mean?
[04:21] <lordofthepigs> It seems that the bugs.ubuntu.com suggests using UUID instead of hda, hdb to name the partitions: How can I find out the UUID of a partition?
[04:21] <intelikey> lordofthepigs so edit your fstab
[04:21] <jayteelin> Hi - I *can't* seem to boot the kubuntu liveCD on a dell e1505 (ati graphics card and intel 3945abg wireless card).  I never get a screen.
[04:21] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: that's the kernel module that needs to be loaded for alsa to use it
[04:21] <intelikey> lordofthepigs blkid
[04:21] <jayteelin> when I hit ctrl+alt+f1, I can get a console
[04:22] <jayteelin> but it gives an error when I try startx
[04:22] <Skiff> BluesKaj, and hitmanWilly thats my lspci http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23014/
[04:22] <linuxnoob> moin moin
[04:22] <DaSkreech> jayteelin: do you have X running?
[04:22] <BluesKaj> ac97 is merely a standard , it isn't a make or model of soundcard
[04:22] <intelikey> lordofthepigs blkid  reads the UUID's
[04:22] <linuxnoob> <--- hilfe beim installieren von kubuntu braucht
[04:22] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, how do I load it
[04:22] <jayteelin> no...I had to re-boot back into vista (yuck) to get back on the internet
[04:22] <jayteelin> i'm currently using pidgin to get into IRC
[04:23] <DaSkreech> !de
[04:23] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:23] <stdin> !de | linuxnoob
[04:23] <ubotu> linuxnoob: please see above
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: with modprobe to test it
[04:23] <lordofthepigs> thanks intelikey, I'll try that
[04:23] <intelikey> lordofthepigs NOTE!  fstab is not needed to successfully boot a box,  if the issues is causing boot issues it's prolly grubish
[04:23] <DaSkreech> Nivuahc: how are you doing?
[04:23] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, " modprobe intel8x0 module iirc " ?
[04:23] <lordofthepigs> intelikey: do NTFS partitions have a UUID?
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: no, hold on
[04:23] <Skiff> or just  modprobe intel8x0
[04:24] <intelikey> lordofthepigs yes
[04:24] <Skiff> ok
[04:24] <jayteelin> DaSkreech: Is there a 'shortcut' way to get into the liveCD
[04:24] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I gotta ask you something
[04:24] <intelikey> DaSkreech shoot
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: try sudo lsmod to see if its already loaded
[04:24] <DaSkreech> intelikey: how do you get a linux install portable between machines?
[04:24] <jayteelin> DaSkreech: I read somewhere about a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org or something like that?
[04:24] <lordofthepigs> intelikey: It actually boots fine, just my NTFS partitions are not mounted properly anymore. The default fstab entries have been correctly updated during the kernel upgrate
[04:24] <lordofthepigs> but NTFS entries were not
[04:24] <linuxnoob> i become no support in /de- channels - can anybody help me here ?
[04:24] <DaSkreech> jayteelin: oh live Cd. did you try safe graphics mode?
[04:25] <linuxnoob> all german gys sleeping ...
[04:25] <TheCreationist> Hey, guys... got a problem here.  I installed the command-line only version of Kubuntu (since nothing else would work).  How do I go about installing the entire KDE environment from the CL?
[04:25] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: Ask your question
[04:25] <jayteelin> that didn't work, either-  It still freezes at boot - x-server never seems to start
[04:25] <intelikey> DaSkreech some fancy scripting aka "knoppix technology"
[04:25] <stdin> linuxnoob: ask your question, we will try to help
[04:25] <DaSkreech> TheCreationist: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:25] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, its not
[04:26] <intelikey> DaSkreech have a look at the way knoppix does it.   it's pretty awsum
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: can you pastebin the output?
[04:26] <Skiff> yes
[04:26] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I seem to remember being able to take my linux install and take it anywhere. Now it seems locked to this motherboard
[04:26] <TheCreationist> DaSkreech: I tried that, but when I entered startx, it said unknown command.  So I installed the package xserver-xorg, and now it simply says there are "No screens."
[04:26] <linuxnoob> i had problems to install kubuntu from bootcd - he boot and say "kernel alive - kernel direkt mapping tables to ...... " and than i have a blackscreen
[04:26] <DaSkreech> TheCreationist: Eh? :)
[04:26] <DaSkreech> you have kubuntu-desktop installed ?
[04:26] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23015/
[04:27] <TheCreationist> DaSkreech: I installed the kubuntu-desktop metapackage (and all packages associated with it).
[04:27] <TheCreationist> DaSkreech: Do I need to reboot for that to take effect?
[04:27] <BluesKaj> Skiff, nForce2 External soundcard ?
[04:27] <DaSkreech> TheCreationist: Yeah sure
[04:27] <Skiff> BluesKaj, yeah
[04:27] <TheCreationist> DaSkreech: Ah... didn't think of that one ;)
[04:27] <Skiff> BluesKaj, well not external its built in
[04:27] <jayteelin> i've heard that my issue is related to the ATI X1400 graphics card built-in to the e1505 laptop
[04:27] <TheCreationist> DaSkreech: I'll give that a try, I guess... but I don't see how that would help lol
[04:27] <BluesKaj> aha Skiff , usb connected ?
[04:27] <intelikey> DaSkreech yeah  the initramfs.img has a lot to do with that.   your kernel/initramfs.img pair are the key to mobility   and using UUID in fstab is good for that purpose
[04:27] <TheCreationist> I'll be back to yell at you when it doesn't work ;)
[04:28] <Skiff> BluesKaj, its those that are with the motherboard
[04:28] <DaSkreech> intelikey: It .. helps?
[04:28] <Skiff> BluesKaj, on the same board
[04:28] <DaSkreech>  how does UUID help?
[04:28] <intelikey> DaSkreech why did you have him reboot ?
[04:28] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: i know, i have one, hold on
[04:28] <linuxnoob> i had problems to install kubuntu from bootcd - he boot and say "kernel alive - kernel direkt mapping tables to ...... " and than i have a blackscreen
[04:28] <DaSkreech> intelikey: startx doesn't work :)
[04:28] <Skiff> BluesKaj, http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.21.html
[04:28] <BluesKaj> ok Skiff ...looks like you need to install linux drivers
[04:28] <lordofthepigs> intelikey: Do NTFS partitions have a UUID?
[04:29] <intelikey> DaSkreech because UUID is writen in the fs   not hardware dependant.
[04:29] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, thanks
[04:29] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: the live cd or the alternate Cd ?
[04:29] <Skiff> BluesKaj, thats what Im trying to do :)
[04:29] <Assassin`> !xgl
[04:29] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:29] <lordofthepigs> and how do I find out the exact kernel version I'm running
[04:29] <DaSkreech> intelikey: ahm ok Right got you
[04:29] <linuxnoob> kubuntu-7.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[04:29] <intelikey> lordofthepigs  you have ntfs formated partitions ?   (partitions don't have UUID's file systems do)    run blkid   and see.
[04:30] <DaSkreech> intelikey: the initramfs.img now. what does that do?
[04:30] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: ok, try sudo modprobe snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec
[04:30] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: it won't start normally?
[04:30] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: did you try the second menu item?
[04:30] <lordofthepigs> intelikey: Yeah, I dual boot with windows XP
[04:31] <lordofthepigs> well... more like 1.1 boot with windowsXP
[04:31] <lordofthepigs> rather than dual :)
[04:31] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23016/
[04:31] <Skiff> error
[04:31] <linuxnoob> i become the installermenu screen - and than i click everyone (start or install) and 10 sec. after that i have a blackscreen
[04:31] <jayteelin> soooo.... I'm going to assume nobody knows how to boot on a dell e1505, then?
[04:31] <linuxnoob> second meny item ?
[04:32] <intelikey> DaSkreech loads modules (hardware drivers) so that the system can continue on and finish the boot process.     thus if the hardware changes (different box) the initramfs.img tests and loads the modules for the "new" hardware and the disk is then recognized and mounted.  thus you can boot without kernel panic.
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: ok, run dmesg and pastebin that
[04:32] <linuxnoob> i have only one menu with 5 or 6 points (install cd check and so ..)
[04:33] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: under start/install there is something else
[04:33] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: try that one
[04:33] <linuxnoob> didnt know what you mean
[04:33] <intelikey> linuxnoob also there is     f1 "help"   at the boot prompt of the CD
[04:34] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: start/install is at the top right ?
[04:34] <linuxnoob> ups- inderstand - yes there is somethink
[04:34] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: it'll be long...
[04:34] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23017/
[04:34] <linuxnoob> 7 points i think
[04:34] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: there is one under that
[04:34] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: choose number 2
[04:34] <linuxnoob> memorytest , cdcheck and others i mean ...
[04:35] <intelikey> [f1] 
[04:35] <intelikey> [f2] 
[04:35] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: there is one for safe graphics
[04:35] <intelikey> [f3] 
[04:35] <DaSkreech>  I don't know what it is in de
[04:35] <TheCreationist> DaSkreech: Didn't work
[04:35] <DaSkreech> TheCreationist: where did it reach ?
[04:35] <linuxnoob> yes - safe graphiks i have read
[04:35] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: that doesn' work?
[04:35] <linuxnoob> but it have no effects i think
[04:35] <intelikey> TheCreationist wasted boot.   now what do you need ?
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: ok, that's weird...it almost looks like an error in the module itself...
[04:36] <linuxnoob> but i will go to test that ....
[04:36] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, any suggestions?
[04:36] <jayteelin> .... I'm going to try an older version of kubuntu - looks like people have had better luck with that
[04:37] <jayteelin> bye :)
[04:37] <jayteelin> /exit
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa stop
[04:37] <TheCreationist> intelikey: I had to install Edgy with the command-line only option.  Now I'm trying to get the entire Kubuntu package installed (KDE, xserver, etc).  I tried installing both kubuntu-desktop and xserver-xorg, but I still can't get X to startup.
[04:37] <jayteelin> doh...
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: then try sudo modprobe snd_intel8x0
[04:37] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, skiff@LinuxBox:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/alsa stop
[04:37] <Skiff> sudo: /etc/init.d/alsa: command not found
[04:38] <intelikey> TheCreationist sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core
[04:38] <Skiff> ok
[04:38] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Okay.  After that, then what?
[04:38] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, done it just return to ~ w/o saying anything
[04:38] <intelikey> TheCreationist startx
[04:38] <Skiff> skiff@LinuxBox:~$ sudo modprobe snd_intel8x0
[04:38] <Skiff> skiff@LinuxBox:~$
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: ok, that means it probably loaded
[04:38] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Will that start X every time the system boots then?
[04:39] <intelikey> no we'll deal with that after you confirm that xorg works propperly TheCreationist
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: sudo lsmod | grep snd_intel8x0
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: see if that returns anything
[04:39] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Okay, I'll be back.  THank you.
[04:39] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23018/
[04:40] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, thats what I have loaded?
[04:40] <BluesKaj> Skiff, here's a page you might find informative as well : http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dolby_Digital_Out_(AC3,_SPDIF)
[04:40] <TheCreationist> intelikey: It said that it is provided by a virtual package and that x-window-system-core has no installation candidate.
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: yup, its loaded, now run sudo /etc/init.d/alsasound restart
[04:41] <Skiff> BluesKaj, thank you
[04:41] <Dragnslcr> Skiff- possibly stupid question, but what output are you using?
[04:41] <intelikey> TheCreationist ok did you run   startx  ?
[04:41] <BluesKaj> interesting tho...no mention of alsa in Skiff's paste ?
[04:41] <Skiff> $ /etc/init.d/alsasound restart
[04:41] <Skiff> -bash: /etc/init.d/alsasound: No such file or directory
[04:41] <Skiff> skiff@LinuxBox:~$
[04:42] <ubuntu__> :O
[04:42] <ubuntu__> WHOAHHHH!!
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> ok, thats weird...hold on
[04:42] <Skiff> Dragnslcr, output as in speakers? I use headphones, and whatever software came as default
[04:42] <ubuntu__> pssht
[04:42] <ubuntu__> im new to this
[04:42] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: Welcome to Kubuntu
[04:42] <TheCreationist> intelikey: No.  I figured if trying to install that package fail then it wouldn't make a difference.  The last time I tried running startx, it crashed with an error saying that there were "No screens," whatever that's supposed to mean ;l()
[04:42] <BluesKaj> Skiff, needs to choose alsa in the system sound settings
[04:43] <ubuntu__> :)
[04:43] <DaSkreech> TheCreationist: a screen is a combination of a video card and a mointor/output
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> its been a while since i set this up in kubuntu :P
[04:43] <intelikey> TheCreationist go try it.      the fact that it's "provided by a vertual package" means you have it.    so run startx
[04:44] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Okay, here I go again.... :P be right back
[04:44] <intelikey> TheCreationist if it errors out with ""No screens," found~"
[04:44] <intelikey> run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver.xorg
[04:44] <intelikey> then try again.
[04:44] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Okay.
[04:44] <Skiff> BluesKaj, ok just did
[04:44] <Skiff> same crap :/
[04:45] <stdin> !language
[04:45] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:45] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, Dragnslcr BluesKaj when I click on the volume control it says no volume control gstreamer plugins and/org devices found
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> ok, where is the alsa rc script in ubuntu? anyone?
[04:46] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Okay, startx gave the same error.  Running dpkg-reconfigure xserver.xorg says that xserver.xorg is not installed.
[04:46] <intelikey> TheCreationist are you using one console for irc and testing X  ?
[04:46] <BluesKaj> Skiff, 'alsamixer' in the terminal
[04:46] <TheCreationist> intelikey: The same console.  I tried doing a CTRL-ALT-F1 to change consoles, but nothing happened.
[04:47] <stdin> hitmanWilly: in /etc/init.d/ like all the rc scripts
[04:47] <intelikey> TheCreationist hehhehhe well   hit [alt] +[f2]    you are in tty1   so alt+f1 is here   alt+f2   is tty2 ....
[04:47] <hitmanWilly> that's what ive been trying, not there or its named something really weird
[04:47] <TheCreationist> intelikey: So what should I try this time?
[04:47] <Skiff> skiff@LinuxBox:~$ alsamixer
[04:47] <Skiff> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[04:47] <Skiff> BluesKaj, ^
[04:48] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Same thing just in a different console?  Should that really make a difference?
[04:48] <illriginal> Anyone know if the new update is safe to download and install?!?
[04:48] <intelikey> TheCreationist ok.   run this in tty2   sudo apt-get install -f
[04:48] <intelikey> TheCreationist and yes it makes a differance.   you don't have to logout/in all time.  :)
[04:49] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Okay, that didn't report any errors to fix.
[04:49] <intelikey> ok.
[04:49] <illriginal> Anyone know if the new update is safe to download and install?!?
[04:49] <intelikey> TheCreationist check this one.    dpkg -l | grep xorg
[04:49] <illriginal> Using Ubuntu Feisty
[04:49] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, anything?
[04:49] <intelikey> should be a page and an half
[04:50] <TheCreationist> intelikey: It was at least that, yes.
[04:50] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: ok, im a little over my head here...ubuntu does things in strange ways and im not familiar enough with it to give you the help you need
[04:50] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, thanks man
[04:50] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, any help is better than none ;)
[04:50] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: sorry, if this was gentoo you'd be up and running by now :P
[04:50] <intelikey> TheCreationist i think you muxt have typo'd the reconfigure command.       sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:51] <BluesKaj> Skiff, sudo apt-get install alsa-base
[04:51] <intelikey> muxt habe.  no othwe explanatuib for it
[04:51] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Yeah, I think the last time you wrote xserver.xorg (period instead of -) :)
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: but the root problem is that its not loading the proper kernel modules for your card
[04:52] <TheCreationist> intelikey: I'll give it a try again.  Are most onboard video cards just plain "vesa"?
[04:52] <intelikey> yep.
[04:52] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, gotcha thanks
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: or you don't have alsa set up
[04:52] <Skiff> BluesKaj, 1 sec
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: or both
[04:52] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Okay, I'll try again :)
[04:52] <intelikey> TheCreationist if you want to see what your hardware is    lshw
[04:52] <Skiff> BluesKaj, sudo apt-get install alsa-base
[04:52] <Skiff> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:52] <Skiff> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:53] <BluesKaj> hitmanWilly, he doesn't have alsa installed for one thing ..which is kinda strange since it's default
[04:53] <intelikey> TheCreationist and you do know about   [shift] +[page-up]   in the console don't you ?
[04:53] <Skiff> BluesKaj, its a fresh install
[04:53] <intelikey> until you switch tty's (which clears the vidio ram) you can page up and read what scrolled.
[04:54] <BluesKaj> Skiff,  do you have synaptic or adept or another terminal open ?
[04:54] <Skiff> BluesKaj, yeah wait
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> lsmod
[04:54] <Skiff> BluesKaj, close it?
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> crap
[04:54] <Skiff> BluesKaj, worked
[04:54] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Okay, I ran the reconfigure program and tried running startx... still the same fatal error "No screens found"
[04:54] <intelikey> TheCreationist ^ ^^
[04:55] <Skiff> BluesKaj, actually it didn
[04:55] <Skiff> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:55] <BluesKaj> ok Skiff, sudo apt-get install alsa-base
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> i hate when that happens :P
[04:55] <Skiff> BluesKaj, yeah I did that
[04:55] <TheCreationist> intelikey: I didn't know how to scroll, but now I do.
[04:55] <Skiff> BluesKaj, Im uptodate
[04:56] <BluesKaj> ok,' alsamixer 'in the terminal , again
[04:56] <marcelol> Anyone here already upgrade to 3.5.7 ?
[04:56] <BluesKaj> yup
[04:56] <TheCreationist> intelikey: I ran lshw, but I can't scroll more than about 5 pages worth.
[04:56] <intelikey> TheCreationist ok.   lshw --class vidio    reconfigure with your hardware.
[04:56] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Didn't see anything about video.
[04:56] <marcelol> you notice, BluesKaj that a lot of packages are now broken ?
[04:56] <Minataku> TheCreationist: lshw | less
[04:57] <Minataku> If it's ever too much, pipe it into less
[04:57] <Minataku> Little protip for ya :3
[04:57] <intelikey> less is good.     but limiting to the class works too
[04:57] <BluesKaj> no , marcelol , not really
[04:57] <marcelol> like for instance, Beryl's no longer listed in Adept, nor KDevelop
[04:57] <Minataku> Right, but piping into less is gonna be useful all over the place
[04:57] <Skiff> BluesKaj, still says no such device
[04:58] <intelikey> Minataku thus the first statement.
[04:58] <marcelol> i.e. I did a fresh install, then updated to 3.5.7 before updating much of anything else...
[04:58] <Minataku> intelikey: Heehee
[04:58] <Skiff> BluesKaj,
[04:58] <Skiff> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[04:58] <Minataku> Sorry X3
[04:58] <TheCreationist> Minataku: Thank you.
[04:58] <Minataku> TheCreationist: np
[04:58] <spacx> can someone help me with my friends' computer?
[04:59] <TheCreationist> intelikey: I didn't see anything there that would help me out with reconfiguring.  It simply mentions the onboard video board and a couple of other non-consequential details.
[04:59] <Minataku> This protip has been brought to you by a generous grant from Nobody and the support of Viewers Like You.
[04:59] <BluesKaj> Skiff, sudo apt-get install dmix
[04:59] <TheCreationist> intelikey: And when reconfiguring, the video board listed in lshw doesn't have an option to be selected.
[04:59] <Skiff> BluesKaj, couldnt find the package dmix
[04:59] <marcelol> and what's weird is I get an error from us.archive.ubuntu.com under the feisty/universe component
[04:59] <Minataku> http://s95018220.onlinehome.us/random/auximages/ << You've all seen my pictures of A/UX, right? :D ( Heehee, sorry X3 )
[05:00] <intelikey> TheCreationist name of the onboard as revieled in lshw ?
[05:00] <intelikey> revealed
[05:00] <BluesKaj> Skiff, wow that's default ...are you runing kde or gnome desktop ?
[05:00] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Yeah, in lshw it's just 6 digit number (model number, I assume).  But that chipset isn't an option when reconfiguring.
[05:00] <Skiff> BluesKaj, gnome
[05:00] <marcelol> anyone else here running 3.5.7 ?
[05:00] <Skiff> BluesKaj, I also have kde installed
[05:01] <BluesKaj> ok, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:01] <marcelol> who ? me ?
[05:01] <Skiff> BluesKaj, I have it installed
[05:01] <marcelol> oh
[05:01] <marcelol> ok
[05:01] <Skiff> BluesKaj, I did it less than and hour ago
[05:02] <intelikey> TheCreationist system overload,  give me a sec.
[05:02] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[05:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:03] <Skiff> BluesKaj, did you mean KMIX?
[05:04] <Skiff> K instead of D
[05:04] <intelikey> TheCreationist the line    product:    from the lshw   what's it say ?
[05:04] <Skiff> BluesKaj, in the kmixer or in alsa it has blank for a mixer
[05:04] <BluesKaj> no dmix is the little mixer that controls the master volume in the panel
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> this is weird...my kubuntu box has no alsa rc script in init.d even tho alsa works fine
[05:04] <Skiff> BluesKaj, yeah I have it
[05:05] <BluesKaj> Skiff, check you repositories and make sure the #'s are deleted from the front of the debs... repostories like universe and multiverse
[05:05] <Skiff> but its kmix in kde
[05:05] <marcelol> So no one else had upgraded to 3.5.7 around here ?
[05:05] <BluesKaj> oh yes Skiff , correct ...sorry it's KMIX
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> i was wondering about that :)
[05:06] <BluesKaj> :)
[05:06] <BluesKaj> it's getting late here
[05:06] <intelikey> hitmanWilly nothing odd about that.   the module is inserted by the initramfs.img most likely
[05:06] <TheCreationist> intelikey: 82865G Integrated Graphics Accelerator
[05:06] <Skiff> BluesKaj, hehe
[05:06] <Skiff> BluesKaj, ok the mixer is blank
[05:07] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Controller, not "Accelerator" sorry
[05:07] <Skiff> BluesKaj, just like in gnome
[05:07] <intelikey> TheCreationist and the vendor: is?
[05:07] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Intel Corporation
[05:07] <BluesKaj> intelikey, but why would it be omitted in a normal install ... a blank kmix , never heard of that ..very strange
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: sorry, not used to doing things like that :P
[05:08] <strabes_> Is possible in Konqueror save the profile view for only a certain directory?
[05:08] <Skiff> BluesKaj, dont know
[05:09] <BluesKaj> skiff, do you have synaptic installed ?
[05:09] <Skiff> BluesKaj, yes
[05:09] <intelikey> TheCreationist there are several  i8* modules.   that's one of them.   so in the recongifure    look for   i8*
[05:09] <TheCreationist> intelikey: I only noticed an i810... I'll try that.
[05:09] <BluesKaj> ok try installing alsa-base from there
[05:10] <intelikey> TheCreationist where * matches everything.     maybe  i810    just guessing.
[05:10] <Gabz> #konversation
[05:11] <intelikey> TheCreationist also when asked about using kernel frame buffering.  just say on.
[05:11] <Skiff> BluesKaj, 1 sec
[05:11] <TheCreationist> intelikey: the only i8* anything was an i810 (and I did say frame buffering on)... same story.
[05:12] <intelikey> TheCreationist at the monitor section use the second   or the third option if you know the sync/refresh rates   if not use the second choice.
[05:14] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Yep, tried all that with i810.  Still "no screens found"
[05:15] <intelikey> TheCreationist for the record.  the "no screens found" error means there is nothing in the configuration that can be used with your monitor.     it's not telling you that it can't find the hardware.   it's telling you it can't use the settings you specified with that hardware.
[05:16] <intelikey> just so you'll know.
[05:16] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Yeah, I figured that... just don't know how to get the configuration properly set up. :)
[05:16] <ShadyTree> strabes_, yes
[05:17] <TheCreationist> intelikey: I would have preferred to just install the whole system right away, but all 6 of my different install CDs gave errors on this computer for some reason.
[05:18] <intelikey> probably the monitor/graphics card combo.   same reason it's not finding any screens now.
[05:18] <Skiff> BluesKaj, ok resintalled with a hwole bunch of other alsa stuff, still when I go to SOUND properties mixer is blank
[05:18] <intelikey> but when you stumble onto the settings that do work make a backup of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:18] <TheCreationist> intelikey: When installing, it was almost always errors about not being able to read files from the disc.  No idea why all 6 cds would have the same problem, though.
[05:19] <ShadyTree> strabes_, you there
[05:19] <strabes_> yeah
[05:19] <intelikey> possably shared irq between vidio and hd  or some other screwy hw issue.
[05:19] <BluesKaj> Skiff, logout and back in again , then check the sound system settings
[05:19] <ShadyTree> strabes, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=307576
[05:20] <strabes> ShadyTree: how did you do that
[05:20] <Skiff> BluesKaj, Ill restart
[05:20] <ShadyTree> strabes, you have to do that to get the option to Save Settings for each folder
[05:20] <strabes> ShadyTree: yeah how do i do that
[05:20] <TheCreationist> intelikey: So do you have any suggestions on how I can get Ubuntu installed on this system?  It's just a basic Dell-built, I would think it would be supported by either Edgy, Feisty or both.
[05:20] <ShadyTree> strabes, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=307576
[05:20] <wolf23> wb ardchoille
[05:21] <intelikey> TheCreationist also worth testing the ram.   that can cause anomilies consistant with multiple hardware issues.
[05:21] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Just installed new RAM today :)  That's not a happy idea....
[05:22] <strabes> ShadyTree: thanks. hopefully it works
[05:22] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Does the Ubuntu CD have a memory test utility on it?  Seems I remember that it did.
[05:22] <dr_willis> egads  my wife is driving me crazy.. set her up with a new pc.. and what does she spend the next 3 hrs doing.. Setting up her themes and icons.....
[05:22] <ShadyTree> strabes, It does.  I did it
[05:22] <dr_willis> and wanting me to show her how to do it.
[05:22] <dr_willis> "No.. I want Solitare to be the WinnieThePooh Icon!"
[05:22] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: I've been there... I sympathize with you 100% :P
[05:23] <dr_willis> Tigger is the  Tetrus game!
[05:23] <dr_willis> and shes learning how to use Vista...
[05:23] <dr_willis> and wants me to show her.. Ive never used it befor either! heh
[05:23] <strabes> ShadyTree: on feisty?
[05:23] <ShadyTree> strabes, yes
[05:23] <ShadyTree> do this first
[05:24] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Welcome to my world... I'm here trying to install Linux on a friend's computer because I've been raving about how great it is for days... now I've been here for 8 hours and STILL don't have a working system!
[05:24] <intelikey> TheCreationist if using vesa   and the simplest monitor settings.  640x480 @ 60Hz still says no screens.   then i don't know what to tell you TheCreationist.   as to installing ubuntu.  you are running it now.     your screen looks just like mine. :)      but my xorg will run yours wont...     and yes   testmem86+  is on the installed system.  should be a boot option.
[05:24] <ShadyTree> strabes, create this folder  ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles
[05:24] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Oh, and I completely removed her Windows installation because I was so confident in Linux... go figure.
[05:24] <Skiff> BluesKaj, nope same thing
[05:24] <ShadyTree> strabes, then you dont need to download those 4 profiles
[05:24] <BluesKaj> what's the normal mount point for the cd/dvdrom ?...mines says it's on /proc...is this correct cuz there's no indicator of a cd.dvd on the desktop anymore ...any suggestions ?
[05:25] <strabes> ShadyTree: that file already exists
[05:25] <intelikey> TheCreationist you have a working system.  you don't have a working xorg.     big differance.
[05:25] <illriginal> Hey guys, I have Ubuntu Feisty, and I Just got an update message, but it's for a newer version? It's a "ubuntu generic" update with a few other updates to go with it. Is it safe to download and install? Or should I wait to see if people have any problems with it?
[05:25] <ShadyTree> strabes, ok
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj: usually in /media
[05:25] <TheCreationist> intelikey: *I* have a working system because I know how to use a command line very fluantly.  The problem is this isn't MY computer ;)
[05:25] <ShadyTree> strabes, just follow the instructions in that post.  you need to do that
[05:25] <stdin> BluesKaj: the normal mountpoint (in (k)ubuntu) is /media/cdrom0/
[05:25] <BluesKaj> ok hitmanWilly , i'll change to /media
[05:26] <TheCreationist> intelikey: She's not happy about this "working" system, you know? ;)
[05:26] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Like dr_willis's wife, she wants pretty icons lol
[05:26] <intelikey> just cause my dog can't type doesn't mean my computer wont work     lol     sorry for the compairison.
[05:26] <strabes> ShadyTree: inside /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share there is not a directory called apps. there are only three directories: config, icons, mimelnk
[05:26] <TheCreationist> intelikey: She didn't like that analogy ;)
[05:26] <intelikey> i understand the "need".  not belittling the gravity of the situation.
[05:26] <ShadyTree> strabes, dont even touch that folder
[05:27] <illriginal> Hey guys, I have Ubuntu Feisty, and I Just got an update message, but it's for a newer version? It's a "ubuntu generic" update with a few other updates to go with it. Is it safe to download and install? Or should I wait to see if people have any problems with it?
[05:27] <ShadyTree> strabes, just follow the instructions
[05:27] <TheCreationist> illriginal: If you ever have a doubt about installing an update, it doesn't hurt to wait.
[05:27] <intelikey> TheCreationist tell "her"  it was only cause i didn't have a wife.
[05:27] <strabes> ShadyTree: it tells me to remove a folder that isn't there in the first step....
[05:27] <ShadyTree> strabes, then just keep going
[05:27] <TheCreationist> intelikey: So there's nothing else you can suggest for now?
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> illriginal: if its the 2.6.20-16 kernel, people have been having trouble with it, wait a little while
[05:28] <gan|y|med> hi
[05:28] <illriginal> ok cool
[05:28] <ShadyTree> strabes, basically, all you need to do is   sudo cp /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc
[05:28] <strabes> k
[05:28] <gan|y|med> i have applied a kernel patch and got a few rejections. just in general, are (or can be) those critical to functionality?
[05:29] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Even more frustrating because the Live CD's loaded just fine...
[05:29] <TheCreationist> I need a bloody cigarette.... brb.
[05:30] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, nvidia has these driver for my nforce2 mobo so naturally it also has the drivers, maybe I should try theirs, but I wouldnt know how to compile them, check the link http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.21.html
[05:30] <intelikey> TheCreationist just what a friend said.  "when but a lad his father had him spliting wood with an ax.   one large block of sweetgum he had hit many times with no sign of progress, turning to his father he said 'this one wont bust'.  who replied 'sure it will, just keep hitting it'"    just keep hitting it.
[05:30] <Skiff> also drivers are only for fedora,suse and rh
[05:30] <strabes> ShadyTree: ok i did that and restarted konqueror, where is the option
[05:30] <ShadyTree> Settings
[05:30] <Pollywog> I used qtparted to reorganize my partitions but now grub says error 22 at boot.
[05:30] <ShadyTree> Save View Changes per Folder
[05:30] <ShadyTree> is that option there now
[05:30] <strabes> ShadyTree: the settings menu is exactly the same as it was before i copied over that file
[05:30] <Pollywog> What is the best way to fix that?  Is there a way?
[05:31] <Pollywog> I am doaloading the live cd now
[05:31] <intelikey> TheCreationist i'm sure that in the   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  there is a workable combonation.
[05:31] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Pretty sure the last sentence was all that made sense and all I needed to hear ;)  But hitting it hasn't helped iether.
[05:31] <Pollywog> should I just reinstall kubuntu?
[05:31] <aldin> anyone in mood to help me set mailserver postfix? i have account on dyndns.org, and have install postfix, put someusername.dyndns.org for MailName
[05:31] <ShadyTree> strabes, did you copy and paste  sudo cp /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc
[05:31] <strabes> yep
[05:31] <strabes> ShadyTree: yet
[05:31] <strabes> yes
[05:32] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: since the liveCD is working, could he just copy over the xorg.conf from that? or is it some weird setup?
[05:32] <titanix88> Anyone know a good tutorial about bash scripting?
[05:32] <intelikey> hitmanWilly IF it is.
[05:33] <ShadyTree> strabes, I dont know.  Ive done this on all my fresh Feisty installs, no problem
[05:33] <titanix88> Anyone know a good tutorial about bash scripting?
[05:33] <strabes> ShadyTree: crap thanks anyway
[05:33] <intelikey> hitmanWilly if im not mistaken he said the reason for the server install was that the live didn't work in gui mode either
[05:33] <ShadyTree> strabes, maybe you have another Konqueror open
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> ok, missed that...
[05:33] <strabes> ShadyTree: i'll try restarting my computer =\
[05:33] <dr_willis> TheCreationist,  i was just spending the last 5 hrs getting her Vista Box to become a 'working system' go figure. :)
[05:34] <dr_willis> TheCreationist,  and what does she do.. first thing.. enables the Windows95 theme! :)
[05:34] <stdin> titanix88: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[05:34] <intelikey> hitmanWilly please do dubble check with him on that.  that would be a good idea.
[05:34] <dr_willis> TheCreationist,  and turns the res down to 1024x768
[05:34] <titanix88> dr_willis: ur using vista scrap?
[05:34] <dr_willis> At least i do have her trained now to use the "fileserver"
[05:34] <dr_willis> titanix88,  it came on the wifes new $350 laptop.
[05:34] <hitmanWilly> dr_willis: the last working system from M$ started with "C:\"
[05:34] <dr_willis> so shes playing Solitare on it for now
[05:35] <ShadyTree> wtf is it about people playing Solitatire on computers
[05:35] <titanix88> dr_willis: tell her to check out www.badvista.org
[05:35] <dr_willis> ShadyTree,  she wakes up in the night.. smokes a cig.. plays solitare for 10 min or so...
[05:35] <ShadyTree> ok sorry
[05:35] <stdin> ShadyTree: because they are sad loaners ?
[05:35] <ShadyTree> no
[05:35] <dr_willis> and hopefully dosent fall asleep while smoking again... :)
[05:36] <intelikey> L-users ?
[05:36] <dr_willis> Snoozers!
[05:36] <ShadyTree> most people that arent into computers only play Solitaire
[05:36] <hitmanWilly> TheCreationist: so does the liveCd work in graphics mode? or just a text(ncurses) interface?
[05:37] <titanix88> hitmanWilly: live cd is always graphics.
[05:38] <intelikey> titanix88 no.
[05:38] <ShadyTree> alternate cd has text installer as an option
[05:38] <intelikey> the live CD will run in console only mode too.
[05:38] <intelikey> won't install so easily from there but will run.
[05:39] <ShadyTree> I had to use text install for Ubuntu, but not Kubuntu
[05:39] <ShadyTree> Ubuntu used up all my laptop memory, so I couldnt install it from the desktop
[05:40] <ShadyTree> strabes, did that work
[05:40] <strabes> ShadyTree: no =\
[05:40] <titanix88> stdin:thnx.
[05:40] <intelikey> hmmm on one box i installed hoary a year later upgraded streight to dapper.  on another installed hoary and it's still at that stage.  on another installed dapper and still there.
[05:40] <stdin> titanix88: it's a great reference, I use it all the time
[05:40] <ShadyTree> strabes, oh well.  thats the only way youll be able to save View per Folder, by restoring the original Konqueror settings.  Kubuntu, for some reason, replaces them with simplified options
[05:41] <strabes> yeah
[05:41] <intelikey> ShadyTree how much RAM ?
[05:41] <ShadyTree> 256
[05:41] <ShadyTree> but the Kubuntu installed perfectly from th desktop on the same computer
[05:41] <ShadyTree> both were complete HD reformats
[05:41] <intelikey> hmmm   i installed with 196m on a desktop from the live
[05:41] <ShadyTree> Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[05:42] <intelikey> both
[05:42] <intelikey> actually
[05:42] <ShadyTree> Kubuntu worked, but Ubuntu didnt.  I had to use text installer for Ubuntu
[05:42] <intelikey> which version ?
[05:42] <ShadyTree> feisy
[05:42] <intelikey> ok i only have dapper live
[05:43] <intelikey> so they probably overloaded the ubuntu feisty live
[05:43] <ShadyTree> yeah
[05:44] <titanix88> intelikey:until next LTS i'm stiking to Dapper and upgrade it regularly. No feisty.
[05:44] <intelikey> but yeah i got shipit ubuntu and kubuntu live CD's of dapper when they first shipped.  cause i heard that dapper was the LTS release.
[05:44] <strabes> ShadyTree: i got it to work. I had to copy it to the home directory not the one in /usr
[05:44] <intelikey> titanix88 :)
[05:45] <titanix88> intellikey:Now they became 6.06.3
[05:45] <intelikey> they say great minds think alike.    looks like irc L-users type alike    :)
[05:45] <ShadyTree> strabes, ok good
[05:46] <titanix88> intellikey:it's just mother of all ubuntu :)
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> hey all, check this out :) http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/
[05:48] <intelikey> all in all i really don't have much to complain about with dapper.  there is a kernel/hardware issue unresolved that affects users trying to write to scsi disks without permission that boggs down the system and loads the memory with unrecoverable "false usage".    other than that i have no issues with this system.
[05:50] <intelikey> oh and the foomatic database is buggy.   they fixed it in breezy but reintroduced the same bug right back in (in one of the updates) in dapper.
[05:50] <gan|y|med> this is a bit unspecific, i know, but does anybody experience a comparatively slow performance of window creation/resizing in kde with the ati fglrx drivers?
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> honestly, ubuntu seems overly bloated to me, (at least compared to my gentoo box :D)
[05:51] <intelikey> hitmanWilly indeed.
[05:51] <aldin> server1.example.com, what this server1 means ( iam aseting postfix so i been asked for this)
[05:52] <gan|y|med> hitmanWilly: what do you mean?
[05:53] <ShadyTree> Thing's I'd change with default Kubuntu installation:  Change 1-click to 2-click file selection,  Start new sessions as Empty, Numpad key on, restore original Konq settings
[05:53] <intelikey> gan|y|med well 400m for console only ?    isn't that bloat.   i can do that with a floppydisk  1.44m
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> gan|y|med: ok, run lsmod and compare it to mine http://pastebin.ca/517782
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> gan|y|med: that's just a small example
[05:54] <gan|y|med> well, i know what you mean by that, but then again, isn't gentoo supposed to be slimmer due to install customisation?
[05:55] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/36923 hitmanWilly
[05:55] <hitmanWilly> gan|y|med: yes, but there's a point
[05:55] <_6StringKng_> so I tried setting Firefox to the default browser fromt he terminal as I have many different times...and no wit wont work for some reason
[05:56] <intelikey> hitmanWilly and mine is trim for a ubuntu box
[05:56] <hitmanWilly> also, on the default install when it wants to remove all of kde when i try to remove bluetooth support
[05:56] <_6StringKng_> I enter this sudo update-alternatives config x-www-browser
[05:56] <_6StringKng_> and I get this
[05:56] <_6StringKng_> update-alternatives: unknown argument `config'
[05:56] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: yeah, i know
[05:57] <gan|y|med> f***, deleted my initrd...
[05:57] <gan|y|med> ok, that kernel is gone
[05:57] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: i still run kubuntu on the laptop cause i really dont care about performance on it, and its a lot easier to set up than gentoo
[05:57] <intelikey> gan|y|med mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd[tabkey]  `uname -r`
[05:58] <titanix88> gna|y|med: YOU r DOOMED!! :)
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: especially for wi-fi related stuff
[05:59] <fogwar> hitmanWilly: hey man sorry to bother but how do i get my xchat minimized to my systray
[05:59] <intelikey> that i know nothing about, no hardware.
[05:59] <gan|y|med> titanix88: i know, i really am :)
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> fogwar: got me...don't use it
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> *I
[05:59] <intelikey> gan|y|med ?    just install a kernel/initrd pair
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: its very hit/miss, and a serious pain
[06:00] <gan|y|med> intelikey: was my own custom kernel. but i am trying realtime now anyway, so it won't kill me
[06:00] <fogwar> hitmanWilly: what do u use
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: luckily mine works well
[06:00] <intelikey> gan|y|med you only have issues if you poweroff/reboot.   as long as it's running you can fix it.
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> fogwar: usually irssi these days
[06:00] <fogwar> does it minimize to systray
[06:01] <hitmanWilly> fogwar: either that or kvirc
[06:01] <Admiral_Chicago_> yep, the latest kernel messes things up
[06:01] <hitmanWilly> fogwar: no, its a console app
[06:01] <hitmanWilly> fogwar: s/its/irssi
[06:01] <titanix88> Ever hard of Nethack? It's a wired game(hacker's game).Even though i dloaded Falcon's eye, it's kind of same thing.How come games be like this?
[06:01] <gan|y|med> intelikey: i got it back with the help of your nice little command
[06:02] <gan|y|med> thx
[06:02] <intelikey> np.
[06:02] <aldin> what ports should i open on router for postfix?
[06:02] <gan|y|med> intelikey: why?
[06:02] <intelikey> gan|y|med yes indeed why.
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> aldin: probably pop imap and smtp
[06:02] <dr_willis> falconswyw is a 3d/purtifed variant of nethack :)
[06:02] <gan|y|med> intelikey: better than searching each and every module to include in the kernel so that it will boot in the first place
[06:03] <titanix88> fogwar: konversation.
[06:04] <su> Hey there....I'm a noob, and was wondering how I could set permissions to write to an external hd in Ubuntu
[06:04] <intelikey> the use of initramfs.img or initrd.img is so you can "generic" the boot process for many possable hardware configurations   and a custom kernel is so easy to customize for the hardware that an init*.img is only going to slow down the boot process for a custom kernel.
[06:04] <su> It is ntfs
[06:04] <fogwar_> gm
[06:04] <intelikey> gan|y|med "searching each and every module to include"   hehhe  disk/fs support and it will boot.
[06:04] <fogwar_> titanix88: well, how do i set it to minimize to task? i cant see it in setitngs
[06:04] <hitmanWilly> su: you need to have ntfs-3g set up to write to ntfs
[06:05] <su> I have checked every single possible box in the user/group settings
[06:05] <intelikey> that's the point.
[06:05] <fogwar_> titanix88: NVM
[06:05] <hitmanWilly> !ntfs-3g
[06:05] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:05] <gan|y|med> i thought so myself, but then again, my kernel won't start because including the disk/fs support used to work, but now i could not find ALL the necessary drivers
[06:05] <hitmanWilly> su: see link from ubotu
[06:05] <titanix88> fogwar_: by default u can see a icon in the notification ares.don;t u?
[06:06] <gan|y|med> it worked until egdy, but i got confused with the new ide (ata=sata?) drivers
[06:07] <intelikey> gan|y|med 95% of what is done in the init*.img is redone in the init scripts anyway.       and as to the modules to include    lsmod | cut -d' ' -f1 > include      and you can shorten that with   | grep -v snd
[06:08] <Minataku> Heh, I compile my own kernels
[06:08] <gan|y|med> no output
[06:08] <Minataku> There's no point to an init* with one
[06:08] <intelikey> Minataku daz what i been saying.
[06:08] <su> hitmanwilly: how do i find this link
[06:09] <Minataku> intelikey: I was confirming :3
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> !ntfs-3g | su
[06:09] <ubotu> su: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:09] <gan|y|med> ok, i got that myself. again, it was just because of the ide drivers. usually p2x (something) driver is enough...
[06:09] <intelikey> me too  :)
[06:09] <su> my links are opening in bluefish! ha!
[06:09] <illriginal> Can someone help me get my Belkin Wireless USB Adapter to work? The Model is FSD7050, supposedly this is a compatible adapter but cannot see a wireless signal!
[06:09] <gan|y|med> anyway, still no output with that command
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> su: just copy and paste into your web browser
[06:10] <su> i just did that, thanks
[06:10] <hitmanWilly> np :)
[06:10] <gan|y|med> ok, thx a lot. trying the realtime-image now.
[06:10] <gan|y|med> goodnight
[06:11] <intelikey> gan|y|med oh   that command was intended for a generic ubuntu kernel where everything is modules.   not your custom where lsmod may not say anything.
[06:13] <intelikey> time for a pedicure.   back when.
[06:15] <su> so I typed in terminal: gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:15] <su> this is all I have done.  It says: Feisty users don't have to deal with additionnal repository, all is already in ubuntu repo
[06:19] <K1765> I've got World of Warcraft working, but the game is choppy.. I thought I fixed the driver for the graphics card.. how could i fix this.. ?
[06:19] <trakinas> hey there!
[06:19] <stdin> su: in kubuntu you replace "gksu" with "kdesu" and "gedit" with "kate"
[06:19] <hendaus> titanix88:  wb
[06:19] <su> im in ubuntu
[06:19] <stdin> su: then why are you in #kubuntu ?
[06:19] <trakinas> where can I disable boot services in kde? I want it to be weight less...
[06:20] <dr_willis> Cools Got a HD Enclosuer with NDAS support.. and got Ndas working Under Ubuntu now. :)
[06:20] <dr_willis> wee
[06:20] <trakinas> kopete + firefox + konversation and 432MB of ram...
[06:20] <su> um, because i have never used irc, and have't learned to configure a channel for ubuntu :(
[06:20] <K1765> do /j #ubuntu
[06:20] <dr_willis> thers a kde front end to alter the run level scripts and init.d stuff.. but  ive not messed with it in ages
[06:20] <stdin> trakinas: System Services -> Advanced -> System Services
[06:21] <su> thanks! <~Eager Noob
[06:21] <trakinas> so, since i dont have any hp print or scanner... in fact, none of those devices. no bluetooth stuff and other wireless gagets, i think i can disable them.
[06:21] <stdin> dr_willis: again, System Services -> Advanced -> System Services
[06:21] <trakinas> stdin: thank you
[06:22] <dr_willis> i just discovered the command...  blkid  :) cool
[06:22] <dr_willis> now where to mount my NDAS drive.
[06:24] <flake> the latest feisty update requires a restart?
[06:24] <flake> or linux headers
[06:26] <dr_willis> id heard there was a kernel update.. also heard it broke some systems..
[06:26] <dr_willis> so i will be waiting for a few more days till i update. :)
[06:26] <titanix88> hendaus: hi,did gnokii work?
[06:26] <flake> fraid to restart now..
[06:28] <flake> be right back.. maybe
[06:31] <flake> didn't feel a thing..  much
[06:31] <cescalante_> I'm on Kubuntu Edgey
[06:31] <cescalante_> no audio
[06:31] <cescalante_> says no mixer found
[06:31] <cescalante_> any idea?
[06:32] <Clinton__> !compiz
[06:33] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:48] <underdog5004> I'm trying to stream (or even just copy) a movie from my server to my desktop computer. Unfortunately, Konqueror gives me "Could not read file fish://192.168.2.35/path/to/file". I can't do scp from the server because I get the same error. I can't stream it because jinzora doesn't even see the main movie, just the darn sample....any ideas?
[06:51] <crazy_bus> I've got a mp4 that wont play in kaffeince.  It comes up with the error ""xine: couldn't find demux for <filename>"".  The same file plays in vlc player in windows.  Why is this and what can I do about it?
[06:53] <underdog5004> bummer...no ideas
[06:53] <underdog5004> oh well
[06:53] <fogwar>  how would i upgrade my open office? just install it over the old? or remove it first? cuz it says it is depended on by other progs
[06:53] <nahemoth> How can I use kwrite as root?
[06:53] <nahemoth> I want to modify a file which requires to be root
[06:53] <underdog5004> nahemoth, have you tried kdesu kwrite?
[06:54] <underdog5004> try that from the konsole
[06:54] <dr_willis> the power of sudo! use it wisely
[06:54] <dr_willis> for good not evil! :)
[06:54] <nahemoth> yea, but it says, cannot start X window or something like this
[06:54] <underdog5004> With great power comes great responsibility
[06:54] <raylu> ...
[06:54] <nahemoth> underdog5004:  it says can not connect to X server
[06:55] <raylu> with great power comes the ability to +w to all files.
[06:55] <raylu> nahemoth, alt+f2, kdesu kate
[06:55] <underdog5004> nahemoth, that's a problem...
[06:56] <raylu> !mp4 | crazy_bus
[06:56] <ubotu> crazy_bus: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:56] <illriginal> Does anyone have a clue about wireless usb adapters, with ubuntu feisty???
[06:56] <raylu> fogwar, what are you using to upgrade it?
[06:56] <underdog5004> nahemoth, does that happen when you type in kdesu kwrite?
[06:56] <raylu> illriginal, what's wrong with yours? have you tried ndiswrapper?
[06:56] <crazy_bus> raylu: the stange thing is that all other mp4's play
[06:56] <illriginal> yeah but i can't find the inf file for this usb device.
[06:56] <illriginal> i don't have the cd for it.
[06:56] <raylu> crazy_bus, it's possible it has some sort of DRM
[06:57] <michael__> hey guys can someoen please upload the files msfonts-rules.conf misc.conf local.conf in /etc/fonts/ in rapidshare.com
[06:57] <raylu> illriginal, do you happen to have a copy of Windows on this computer?
[06:57] <crazy_bus> it's from archive.org.  So I doubt it has drm
[06:57] <illriginal> wait
[06:57] <raylu> michael__, why?
[06:57] <illriginal> i do have the disc!
[06:57] <michael__> raylu, i changed mine and now i hate it
[06:57] <illriginal> raylu, let me see if i can extract the inf file from the disc onto ndiswrapper
[06:57] <michael__> and i dont have backups
[06:57] <michael__> : (
[06:58] <raylu> woah...what in the world?
[06:59] <nahemoth> underdog5004: thanks it worked
[06:59] <raylu> michael__, have you tried moving/renaming them? they may be recreated to default
[06:59] <raylu> michael__, they should also be on the install cd
[07:00] <underdog5004> nahemoth__, uh...no problem
[07:00] <michael__> raylu, i found out how, just delete /etc/fonts/local.conf
[07:03] <illriginal> Hey raylu, I installed the driver via .inf file with ndiswrapper
[07:03] <illriginal> but still nothing, i don't think.
[07:03] <raylu> ndiswrapper -l
[07:03] <raylu> ?
[07:03] <illriginal> hold
[07:04] <illriginal> raylu... i didn't get a response from the terminal after i typed that command
[07:04] <raylu> o.0
[07:04] <raylu> that's not good
[07:04] <illriginal> raylu
[07:04] <illriginal> im sorry
[07:04] <raylu> ctrl+c; it may require sudo
[07:04] <illriginal> rt73 : driver installed
[07:04] <raylu> oh
[07:05] <raylu> hm. if that's the right driver, i'm out of ideas. i've never really used ndiswrapper
[07:05] <illriginal> how would I check a wireless range?
[07:05] <raylu> you'd have to find a spec sheet
[07:05] <illriginal> or see if the wireless adapter is working but just not connected?
[07:06] <illriginal> i wanna know if it's pickin up a wireless transmission, and try to connect to it.
[07:06] <raylu> knetworkmanager
[07:07] <raylu> or you can install kwifimanager
[07:07] <cmvo> Hi! It seems with the latest kernel update (edgy, 2.6.17-11) sometimes the keys of a PS/2 mouse get stuck down. Anybody seen similar problems?
[07:07] <illriginal> sudo get-apt install kwifimanager ?
[07:08] <raylu> yes
[07:08] <raylu> !aptitude
[07:08] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[07:14] <trakinas> !beryl
[07:14] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:16] <trakinas> cheers all
[07:17] <illriginal> yeah raylu, not pickin up any wireless networks
[07:17] <dsmith_> hi
[07:17] <illriginal> is there a way i can check to see if my usb wireless adapter is connected?
[07:18] <raylu> sorry, I don't know
[07:18] <dsmith_> one cannot install proprietary Nvidia drivers in Fiesty?
[07:19] <stdin> dsmith_: one can if one wants to
[07:19] <ahmed> guys pls help,, the kde kmenu and showdesktop icons are shifted by some space to the right now and i cant just drag them back to the most left as they where how to do that  ???
[07:19] <dsmith_> ok..
[07:19] <dsmith_> i guess it must be compiled
[07:19] <stdin> dsmith_: just follow the guild for edgy
[07:20] <ahmed> hello
[07:20] <dsmith_> stdin: I did
[07:20] <dsmith_> i'll have to go back and read my notes
[07:20] <dsmith_> thats all
[07:20] <ahmed> guys pls help,, the kde kmenu and showdesktop icons are shifted by some space to the right now and i cant just drag them back to the most left as they where how to do that  ???
[07:21] <raylu> i have no idea what you mean, ahmed
[07:21] <stdin> dsmith_: in feisty there are 3 versions, "nvidia-glx", "nvidix-glx-legacy" and "nvidia-glx-new"
[07:21] <raylu> please be more patient, though
[07:21] <dsmith_> ahmed: keep playing with it
[07:26] <Rictoo> how do I see my current hd space?
[07:26] <Rictoo> aka free space :p
[07:27] <stdin> Rictoo: there is a GUI way, but "df -h" in konsiole will shoe you
[07:28] <raylu> o.0
[07:28] <Rictoo> thanks, stdin
[07:30] <ahmed> dsmith_, u know the k menu icon in the task bar ???
[07:30] <ahmed> its shifted (moved a bit to the right ,, not sticking to the left border of the screen )
[07:30] <ahmed> know wat i mean ??
[07:30] <Jucato> ahmed: middle-click and drag
[07:31] <ahmed> lol
[07:31] <ahmed> THANKS :D
[07:31] <Jucato> :D
[07:31] <ahmed> first time 2 use linux
[07:33] <innernaut> I have a question for the gurus... searched and can't find anything relevant
[07:33] <nahemoth__> how can I create a new folder in a directory where only root is allowed?
[07:33] <raylu> sudo mkdir
[07:33] <nahemoth__> sudo makedir /foldername ?
[07:34] <ahmed> how to apply a  new theme for kde - kubuntu ?
[07:34] <nahemoth__> is that it?
[07:34] <ahmed> i have the theme file already
[07:34] <ahmed> dont know how to  use it
[07:34] <Jucato> !changethemes | ahmed
[07:34] <ubotu> ahmed: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy for a guide. [Kubuntu]  For a Kubuntu guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[07:34] <raylu> nahemoth__, no /
[07:34] <Jucato> innernaut: sudo mkdir foldername
[07:35] <nahemoth__> raylu ok thanks
[07:35] <innernaut> Obviously, the wifi card on this machine is working fine... although, occasionally my machine will COMPLETELY freeze, usually in relation to my router hanging.  Then I was accessing this machine from a windows machine earlier (via samba share that has always worked) and although it accessed the drive, when I tried to run something it froze the entire machine... I think it is something with my network settings
[07:36] <ahmed> Using Settings->Appearance and Themes->
[07:36] <ahmed>  Theme Manager
[07:36] <ahmed> guys this doesnt exist in kubuntu
[07:36] <ahmed> i wanna access the theme manager
[07:36] <ahmed> and i cant
[07:36] <ahmed> pls hek
[07:36] <ahmed> help*
[07:36] <raylu> ahmed, kmenu > system settings
[07:36] <innernaut> lspci yeilds:  02:03.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01)
[07:36] <Jucato> ahmed: did you even check the guide above?
[07:37] <innernaut> and iwconfig:
[07:37] <raylu> innernaut, i assume you can't get to tty1?
[07:37] <innernaut> o        no wireless extensions.
[07:37] <innernaut> wifi0     IEEE 802.11b  ESSID:"GRATiTUDE"  Nickname:""
[07:37] <innernaut>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 00:0F:B5:1B:47:62
[07:37] <innernaut>           Bit Rate:11 Mb/s   Sensitivity=1/3
[07:37] <innernaut>           Retry limit:8   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[07:37] <innernaut>           Power Management:off
[07:37] <Jucato> !paste | innernaut
[07:37] <innernaut> wlan1     IEEE 802.11b  ESSID:"GRATiTUDE"  Nickname:""
[07:37] <ubotu> innernaut: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:38] <innernaut>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 00:0F:B5:1B:47:62
[07:38] <innernaut>           Bit Rate:11 Mb/s   Sensitivity=1/3
[07:38] <innernaut>           Retry limit:8   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[07:38] <innernaut>           Power Management:off
[07:38] <innernaut>           Link Quality=22/70  Signal level=-78 dBm  Noise level=-100 dBm
[07:38] <innernaut>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[07:38] <innernaut>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:267   Missed beacon:0
[07:38] <innernaut> yes sir
[07:38] <innernaut> no
[07:38] <innernaut> I can
[07:38] <raylu> o.0
[07:38] <Jucato> innernaut: next time, don't paste in the channel
[07:38] <raylu> you could kill whatever froze it from there, then
[07:46] <ahmed> ok i know how to access the theme manager now but i cant install a theme,, when i click on install theme and browse to the theme file extracted folder , i find lotsa folders inside and unable to locate the theme file,, plzz help
[07:47] <raylu> where did you get the theme from?
[07:47] <raylu> and when you downloaded it, what was it's filename? was it a .theme?
[07:49] <Jucato> ahmed: you don't have to extract the theme. first what kind of a theme is it? is it a .kth file?
[07:49] <raylu> oh haha. it's .theme in windows :P
[07:50] <Jucato> O.o
[07:50] <Jucato> you're trying to apply a Windows theme on KDE?
[07:50] <ahmed> jucato now i know there is 2 types of theme, theme manager themes,, and other themes
[07:50] <ahmed> how to install this other themes cause its not a .kth file
[07:50] <raylu> no. i just assumed it would be .theme :P
[07:50] <Jucato> ahmed: did you read the link the bot gave?
[07:51] <ahmed> yea
[07:51] <ahmed> didnt get anything from it
[07:51] <Jucato> ahmed: ok, what are you trying to install?
[07:52] <Jucato> what kind of theme. that's the first thing you have to know
[07:59] <Lynoure> Since the latest upgrades my kpilot has been rather non-interactive. Any ideas what to do about it?
[07:59] <raylu> !kpilot
[08:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kpilot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:00] <raylu> !info kpilot
[08:00] <ubotu> kpilot: KDE Palm Pilot hot-sync tool. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu6 (feisty), package size 1915 kB, installed size 4400 kB
[08:00] <raylu> o.0
[08:00] <raylu> grub loader should have your old kernel...or do you mean kpilot upgrade?
[08:01] <Lynoure> raylu: I don't think the kpilot upgraded.
[08:02] <cagara> hey, how can i turn off this annoying session saving
[08:02] <Lynoure> raylu: Is this a known bug with the new kernel? Any idea of the workaround?
[08:02] <raylu> so did your kernel get upgraded? (linux-headers package, i believe)
[08:02] <cagara> every time i restart all the programms i were running before start again
[08:02] <cagara> id like to start with a blank session everytime i reboot
[08:03] <raylu> cagara, yes, but i don't remember where the option is
[08:03] <Lynoure> raylu: yes, 2.6.20-16-generic
[08:03] <raylu> Lynoure, grub loader should still have your old kernel, right?
[08:03] <Lynoure> raylu: yes.
[08:04] <raylu> then try booting into that
[08:04] <Lynoure> raylu: I cannot do that right now, but it is not much of a workaround. Any idea of the cause?
[08:05] <raylu> cagara, kcontrol > session manager
[08:05] <cagara> thanx
[08:05] <raylu> Lynoure, i assume something in the kernel doesn't agree with kpilot...but i've never used either and i think i'm still on the old kernel :P
[08:07] <Lynoure> raylu: kpilot just totally freezes now, whether or not I have palm plugged in, or visor module loaded. hmmm. It's a bit more radical than the previous problems :0
[08:08] <Lynoure> s/0/)
[08:10] <Lynoure> But I better look at it more after work...
[08:10] <Lynoure> stracetime maybe then.
[08:14] <cagara> other thing, every now and then my KNetworkManager does no longer work, means it starts saying "NetworkManager not running" ... internet still works and it does only happen sometimes
[08:14] <cagara> any ideas?
[08:15] <raylu> seems unimportant to me
[08:16] <raylu> can you restart it?
[08:18] <cagara> yes i can restart it, but its very annoying when, while im working, the networkmanager dissapears so i cant change my network or anything
[08:18] <_6StringKng_> when I try to set Firefox to the default browser through the command line I get an erro, and I've doe this on a previous installation and it worked fine...  update-alternatives: unknown argument `config'
[08:19] <cagara> _6StringKng_: what is the command, i would also want it as the default browser
[08:19] <alok> hi
[08:19] <raylu> _6StringKng_, --config, not -config, i think
[08:19] <_6StringKng_> k
[08:19] <alok> i have few doubts .. can some help
[08:19] <raylu> !question
[08:19] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:20] <cagara> _6StringKng_: can you please tell me the command for setting firefox as default
[08:20] <_6StringKng_> sudo update-alternatives config x-www-browser
[08:20] <cagara> thank
[08:20] <cagara> you
[08:20] <_6StringKng_> np
[08:20] <_6StringKng_> I just cant get the damned thing to work for some reason
[08:20] <u123> hi everybody
[08:20] <cagara> i will try it
[08:20] <cagara> mom
[08:20] <_6StringKng_> k, well it worked when I changed it to --config, lmao
[08:20] <alok> is it possible to create plugins for this client.. so that v can use it in web browser
[08:21] <_6StringKng_> thanks raylu
[08:21] <raylu> it says so in --help for that command :P
[08:21] <raylu> alok, this client = ?
[08:21] <alok> ya
[08:21] <_6StringKng_> yeah but I had done it that way before is why it was confusing me, lmao
[08:21] <raylu> um...that wasn't a yes or no question
[08:22] <alok> i mean this konversation chat client
[08:22] <raylu> no, that won't be easy. i believe there is a firefox plugin already for irc. opera has one too
[08:22] <Jucato> alok: might want to ask in #konversation but afaik, this client is really meant to be a standalone program
[08:23] <alok> actually i m intersted in creating a chat client for official use
[08:23] <alok> so that only the employee can login to that and chat
[08:23] <alok> how can i do it
[08:24] <raylu> huh?
[08:24] <alok> :)
[08:25] <Pollywog> I had to reinstall Ubuntu because of a mbr problem, but now kuser says it can't create backup file for /etc/password and it also reports that it cannot open /etc/shadow
[08:26] <Pollywog> Why is Feisty still so broken?
[08:26] <raylu> sounds like you didn't run kuser as root
[08:26] <raylu> also sounds like you didn't install grub properly
[08:27] <Pollywog> well grub is fixed but you are right about kuser
[08:27] <Pollywog> ty
[08:28] <Pollywog> but a reinstall seemed to be the only way to deal with the grub problem that resulted from moving partitions
[08:28] <Pollywog> at least I did not lose /home
[08:29] <raylu> you can install grub from the livecd
[08:29] <Pollywog> I tried that
[08:29] <raylu> o.0
[08:30] <Pollywog> and also tried to start a normal install and then finish just before partitioning, and going directly to the grub install
[08:30] <Pollywog> the way ppl do if they install windows after Linux
[08:30] <Pollywog> I got debootstrap errors so that did not work
[08:30] <raylu> you cut the install short?
[08:31] <Pollywog> yes that is how one fixes installing windows after linux
[08:31] <raylu> ...
[08:31] <raylu> no...
[08:31] <Pollywog> it did not work so I did the entire install
[08:32] <raylu> cutting an install short isn't a solution to anything. it causes more problems, if anything...
[08:32] <raylu> i installed linux, then windows, and  used the livecd to reinstall grub
[08:32] <Pollywog> well it has worked for me before
[08:33] <Pollywog> but I tried the livecd and it could not find my mbr
[08:33] <underdog5004> raylu, to reinstall grub, just boot the livecd and from a terminal (konsole) type grub-install
[08:33] <Pollywog> yes I did that
[08:33] <underdog5004> maybe grub-install /dev/device (/dev/hda)
[08:34] <Pollywog> so now I have to rebuild my setup but I did not lose /home and become /homeless
[08:34] <Pollywog> all this because I ran out of space on / this morniong
[08:34] <illriginal> Does anyone know how to enable Hyperthreading?
[08:36] <crimsun> (I'm helping you with that...)
[08:37] <basanta> does kubuntu kernel have  madwifi
[08:38] <crimsun> in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.2x, yes
[08:47] <illriginal> Can anyone help me enable Hyperthreading please?
[08:49] <_6StringKng_> !ATI
[08:49] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:51] <Rictoo> How would I do a system restart without it loading up the same aps I had open when I logged out?
[08:51] <Rictoo> apps*
[08:51] <defcon_> what is the best firewall monitor
[08:51] <Jucato> Rictoo: System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Session Manager
[08:52] <Rictoo> thanks Jucato <3
[08:52] <n3trunner> hello everyone! i've encountered a weird problem...after i restarted my machine..upon loggin in, it immediately goes back to my KDM...
[08:53] <crimsun> make sure /var and /tmp exist with proper permissions and that you have plenty of free space on both partitions.
[08:53] <crimsun> also, make sure that the lo interface is up.
[08:53] <makuseru> !Multimedia Converter
[08:53] <makuseru> !!Multimedia Converter
[08:54] <n3trunner> crimsun: is your answer for me?
[08:54] <_6StringKng_> so none of my sounds work in Gaim, anyoen know why?
[08:54] <crimsun> n3trunner: yes.
[08:55] <nbcb> how to run a command in background
[08:56] <n3trunner> crimsun: i was wondering what cause it that way?
[08:57] <n3trunner> crimsun: the system was fine and running for more than 2 months
[08:57] <n3trunner> crimsum: mainly free space issue?
[08:57] <_6StringKng_> so...
[08:57] <crimsun> n3trunner: I don't mean to sound rude, but what _was_ is irrelevant currently.  What is its current status?
[08:58] <illriginal> Can someone help me enable my hyperthreading, this is what I get in my dmesg: http://www.pastebin.ca/518161
[08:58] <illriginal> Claims that it's disabled.
[08:59] <n3trunner> crimsun: no no no its ok...hehehe...ahhmmm...actually its not my machine...its for someone....i'll have to get back on her and ask her to check her disk space....
[09:06] <Gursikh> Anyone around?
[09:07] <makuseru> ya
[09:08] <Gursikh> Cool, Q: using Kubuntu, I did something I think and now the icons in the system tray are a single row (tkaing up a lot of space), how do I get the system tray to stack the icons back in two rows?
[09:08] <makuseru> stretch the tray back out
[09:09] <makuseru> they go into one row when its too small for two rowas
[09:09] <Jucato> Gursikh: set your panel size to Large or Custom size of 48
[09:09] <makuseru> rows*
[09:09] <Gursikh> 48 doesn't do it :-(
[09:09] <Gursikh> though Large does
[09:09] <Rictoo> in screenshots of kubuntu, I see many people with a dock on the right side of their screen showing cpu usage, ram usage, cpu temp, etc.,
[09:09] <Rictoo> what is it?
[09:10] <Jucato> Gursikh: after setting it to large, set it to 48
[09:10] <Gursikh> Jucato: ah yes, that worked
[09:10] <Jucato> !superkaramba | Rictoo
[09:10] <ubotu> Rictoo: superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[09:10] <Gursikh> thanks a bunch!
[09:10] <Rictoo> Ahh, I see
[09:10] <Rictoo> Thanks alot!
[09:11] <Gursikh> Any way I can get those icons smaller?
[09:11] <Jucato> nope
[09:11] <Jucato> system tray icon size is fixed
[09:12] <titanix88> hendaus_:
[09:12] <Gursikh> Jucato: Thanks for the help :-)
[09:20] <Boje> moin
[09:26] <titanix88> Everyone silen?
[09:26] <titanix88> Everyone silent?
[09:26] <titanix88> hendaus_:
[09:27] <kraut> moin
[09:29] <KevinAlaska> <--- silent because I am getting sick and at this time I run normally on fewer brain cells then could be found sea spung.  With the sickness a sea spung as the upper hand. :S
[09:30] <ardchoille> titanix88: Shh, we're sleeping, lol
[09:31] <adminit> Hello all
[09:31] <KevinAlaska> sorry I can't keep the volume down.  The enjoyment of banging pots and pans is to much fun for the simpleton life I am currently leading.
[09:31] <KevinAlaska> hello adminit
[09:31] <Rictoo> does anyone have any unused ram they can send me?
[09:31] <Rictoo> O.O
[09:31] <Rictoo> PC3200 (DDR400) DDR SDRAM
[09:31] <Rictoo> :p
[09:32] <titanix88> ardchoille: rock a bye baby.......Z Z z z !! :)
[09:32] <ardchoille> lol
[09:32] <titanix88> Rictoo: Where do u live?
[09:32] <KevinAlaska> (THUMP!!) "head to deaktop"
[09:32] <Rictoo> titanix88: South Texas :p
[09:33] <michael> how can i get rid of this error when launching from konsole
[09:33] <michael> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[09:33] <michael> i know the applicatinos still start fine but it seems this is a cause of slowness
[09:33] <Rictoo> I think everyone gets it
[09:33] <Rictoo> I sure do
[09:33] <titanix88> Rictoo: Almost on the other side of the world(from Bangladesh) :p
[09:34] <Rictoo> haha
[09:34] <Rictoo> That reminds me... I love the internet :)
[09:35] <titanix88> Isn't it amazing to think how amazing the internet is (ahhhhh....8)
[09:37] <smile> #openoffice
[09:37] <michael> Rictoo, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=435864
[09:37] <michael> should speed up launching applications imo
[09:37] <Rictoo> :o
[09:37] <Rictoo> NICE FIND
[09:37] <Rictoo> <3
[09:38] <smile> hi ..i need a small help .. how to make number of pages in the footer of a texte ?
[09:38] <Rictoo> #openoffice
[09:38] <smile> Rictoo: no one is there :-(
[09:39] <Rictoo> :O
[09:39] <Rictoo> hmm
[09:39] <Rictoo> I remember a long time ago I added page numbers on openoffice
[09:39] <smile> Rictoo: how ? .. i know this under windoz
[09:40] <titanix88> Rictoo: How about a Desktop war to fire everybody up? :)
[09:40] <Rictoo> http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?p=6754&highlight=
[09:40] <michael> how do i restart x-server?
[09:40] <Rictoo> titanix88: What's that :O
[09:40] <Rictoo> michael: ctrl+alt+backspace
[09:40] <michael> thanks
[09:41] <titanix88> Ricto: People arguing about their favorite desktop environment:KDE 0r GNOME.
[09:41] <Rictoo> michael: TRY RUNNING SOEMTHING:D
[09:41] <Rictoo> Is it faster?
[09:42] <Rictoo> titanix88: Linus Trovalds likes KDE better
[09:42] <Rictoo> so I do too
[09:42] <michael> hold on lol my programs are all restarting
[09:43] <michael> id say its faster
[09:43] <michael> and no more error, which was the main thing bugging me
[09:43] <michael> anyways, it cant hurt to do it
[09:43] <titanix88> Rictoo: U got it. Wars are(desktop, text editor or distro) the best way to keep a channel running. :)
[09:44] <Rictoo> I say sleep
[09:44] <Rictoo> haha
[09:45] <Rictoo> It's 2:45am here
[09:45] <Rictoo> :P
[09:45] <MaTiAz> Bah, isn't it obvious? KDE IS better :P
[09:45] <MaTiAz> 10:45 am here :)
[09:46] <MaTiAz> And I gotta go watch some 7th-graders in some amusement park -_-
[09:46] <titanix88> 1.46 p.m. here.
[09:46] <michael> linus torvalds says kde is better, so it is
[09:46] <Rictoo> "I have used the Mem86 memory testing software to test 3 of them, and running time up to 30+ hours overnight testing,"
[09:47] <Rictoo> Is it just me, or does that make 0 sense?
[09:47] <MaTiAz> KDE would be even better if Beryl worked for me, now that I got my nvidia drivers working :)
[09:47] <titanix88> I would also say KDE is better  only i didn't have to see kCrashNotifier so often.
[09:48] <titanix88> I would also say KDE is better  only if i didn't have to see kCrashNotifier so often.
[09:48] <titanix88> GNome is just ugly in oter distro, but in ubuntu;it's amazing.
[09:50] <smile> Rictoo: thx
[09:54] <titanix88>  Is everyone from North America? If not then why r u sleeping?
[09:54] <vyoman> my brother printer prints only the header and footer but no body text in Kate - I believe it was working fine before the yesterdays kernel upgrade, anyone can help?
[09:57] <aldin_> how to find out is my ISP blocking port 25
[09:59] <vyoman> that is now the second time in three month that kubuntu upgrades break my printer - it is monday morning and i have a meeting - getting totaly fucked by upgrades again *&$
[10:00] <vyoman> (% ask my neighbour again to print my (^%&^% letter on (*^(* windows
[10:00] <KevinAlaska> aldin_ call your ISP?
[10:31] <crazy_bus> I installed Kerry to see how good it is.  However it wont find anything.  How can I tell it to index things?
[10:37] <tulga> I installed compiz-kde and trying "compiz --replace gconf &" from terminal. but it said couldn't load plugin 'gconf'. howto fix it?
[10:44] <_4strO> yop yop
[10:44] <adaptr> gconf is a gnome component, why would you want to do that ?
[10:46] <_4strO> !paste
[10:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:48] <tulga> I installed successfully
[10:48] <tulga> where is compiz configuration file?
[10:50] <ishtob> hi
[10:53] <rdallarmi> hi, I am having a strange problem with feisty. the only way I can boot it (amd64) is to boot it in recovery mode and then ctrl-d if I start normally the system hang. It was doing the same with the installation cd, the solution back then was tochange the default video resolution to any other value. Where, in the startup sequence, the default screen reloution (for text mode, kde runs fine) is set?
[10:54] <foug> hi, can anyone tell me why they like KDE more than gnome?
[10:54] <rdallarmi> fog, have you used kde ever?
[10:54] <foug> nope
[10:55] <foug> pretty new to linux, only been using ubuntu itself for about a month
[10:55] <foug> but a good friend of mine uses SUSE with KDE and said KDE is way better than gnome
[10:55] <foug> so i figured i'd come here and see why you people chose KDE over gnome
[10:56] <adaptr> you can go one better and just install it: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[10:56] <adaptr> then you can choose which one to run whenever you log in
[10:56] <ishtob> does anyone knows how to set up the stylus for hp tc1100 tablet?
[10:56] <noiesmo> foug, you can run both
[10:56] <foug> adaptr: i don't have to restart to switch over to KDE?
[10:56] <adaptr> restart ? go wash your mouth
[10:56] <foug> will beryl still function under KDE or will i have to install it again?
[10:56] <noiesmo> i like konquror and the addon service menus it has
[10:56] <foug> lmao, sorry sorry i forget linux is so good sometimes
[10:56] <ishtob> foug: just use login screen
[10:57] <foug> ishtob: just go to switch user?
[10:57] <adaptr> since beryl is hooked into Xorg, not really, no
[10:57] <adaptr> no, log out
[10:57] <foug> allright, i'll try it out, thanks
[10:57] <rdallarmi> foug, maybe you could install kubuntu on a spare system and make your uwn opinion up, for myself, at the beginning I found the duplicated effort of building gnome was a waste, but indeed it helpd clearing up the qt licencing issue. At the moment gnome has no application (firefox , evolution and openoffice are NOT gnome applications). KDE (to me) looks also cooler, but that is personal taste
[10:57] <KevinAlaska> if you install something that has dependencies, is there a command that will just get those... what would be the easiest way of getting them installed?
[10:58] <ksksersey> slm
[10:58] <foug> rdallarmi: can KDE be small at compact? gnome is pretty much set in the bottom left corner of my screen and nowhere else
[10:58] <Jucato> KevinAlaska: apt-get/aptitude/Adept does that automatically
[10:58] <rdallarmi> foug, not sure I understand your problem
[10:58] <Jucato> KevinAlaska: or do you mean something else?
[10:58] <foug> not a problem, really
[10:59] <rdallarmi> small at compact = ?
[10:59] <foug> o small AND compact
[10:59] <Jucato> foug: what exactly do you mean? how do you set GNOME in the bottom left corner of the screen?
[10:59] <rdallarmi> talking about memory footprint? I do not find KDE bloated but again, I am not sure what your system specs are
[11:00] <foug> Jucato: well i told it to make task buttons no bigger than 450 pixels, and i unchecked "expand" on both panels
[11:00] <KevinAlaska> well it was not an adept program... its called envy
[11:00] <KevinAlaska> jucato
[11:00] <KevinAlaska> :)
[11:00] <Jucato> foug: ah you mean the panel? then yes.
[11:00] <foug> Jucato: cool
[11:01] <Jucato> foug: actually, you have more control over the width of the panel. not just "expand" or not. you can go 10%, 50%, 73% 81%, etc
[11:01] <KevinAlaska> supposed to install nvidia drivers correctly for ubuntu feisty
[11:01] <noiesmo> KevinAlaska, try "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" before envy I had to once when I used it
[11:01] <foug> Jucato: ooo, now that's what i was asking for originally :) now KDE sounds more appealing than gnome hehe
[11:02] <mneisen> hi, I just installed gnupg2, but it did not create a configuration file (i.e., ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf). Is this normal? What should I do?
[11:02] <Jucato> foug: a common "comment" (or misconception?) about KDE is that it offers more choices/options upfront, which is both good and bad in a way (like making the menus/dialogs a bit crowded or confusing for some)
[11:03] <Jucato> foug: you might want to read this http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kdegnome
[11:03] <foug> Jucato: cool thanks man, this site looks like it'll be of some use
[11:04] <foug> Jucato: would you say KDE takes up less memory than gnome?
[11:04] <Jucato> !memory
[11:04] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[11:04] <Jucato> foug: see the last link ^^^^
[11:05] <foug> :)
[11:07] <KevinAlaska> noiesmo, I recieved this output from that command -->http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/917147
[11:07] <KevinAlaska> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/917147
[11:09] <noiesmo> KevinAlaska, well I run the "sudo apt-get -f install" and sort that then look at why the packages aint being installed what u running kubuntu fiesty
[11:10] <KevinAlaska> doh.. just JUST figured I didnt have the sudo first .. :S
[11:10] <rdallarmi> what is grub.conf called in ubunut?
[11:11] <tulga> howto find compiz package's files?
[11:12] <noiesmo> tulga, dpkg-query -l |grep compiz
[11:12] <tulga> noiesmo: packages installed. but I don't know which files copied which place
[11:13] <noiesmo> tulga, locate compiz
[11:13] <tulga> noiesmo: where is compiz configuration file?
[11:13] <tulga> I want change top and bottom image etc
[11:13] <noiesmo> tulga, ~/.compiz i thinks
[11:14] <tulga> .compiz not created in my system
[11:14] <noiesmo> tulga, using beryl isnt there a manager for that
[11:15] <tulga> I don't like beryl
[11:15] <c1|freaky> good morning all :D
[11:16] <noiesmo> tulga, fair enough but isnt there compiz-manager ot gnome-compiz-manger
[11:19] <KevinAlaska> restarting my computer.. =/  if I am not back in 10 minutes or more.. problems for me. heh. cheers folks
[11:22] <rdallarmi> is there anybody in here using a belking usb network card (rt73)
[11:22] <rdallarmi> ?
[11:30] <mneisen> hi, I just installed gnupg2, but it did not create a configuration file (i.e., ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf). Is this normal? What should I do?
[11:31] <tulga> howto change compiz top and bottom yellow color?
[11:34] <_4strO> incrediiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiible its the first time my battery say to me it's charged at 100% (i'm on the sector)
[11:34] <_4strO> first time it dont lie to me :)
[11:36] <_4strO> :/ now it came back to 73% :/
[11:40] <khaije1> anyone ever looked at ndiswrapper? for flash on amd64 in particular?
[11:40] <khaije1> any recommended approaches to this problem?
[11:40] <Jucato> !flash64
[11:40] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[11:44] <brokenthorn> Which is the latest KDE in Kubuntu?
[11:45] <Jucato> !kde
[11:45] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[11:45] <Jucato> brokenthorn: ^^^
[11:48] <fizi> wo kann man denn hier ne frage loswerden?
[11:50] <Jucato> !de
[11:50] <fizi> ja
[11:50] <Jucato> #kubuntu-de or #ubuntu-de
[11:50] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:51] <fizi> thx
[12:02] <ritalin> y0
[12:02] <ritalin> any docs on how to install flash?
[12:03] <adi> flash plugin?
[12:03] <ritalin> yes
[12:03] <ritalin> for firefox
[12:04] <adi> firefox installes it automaticcly
[12:04] <aldin> how to find out is my ISP blocking port 25
[12:04] <ritalin> o
[12:04] <adi> if not download it and run the install script
[12:04] <ritalin> yeah it wanted to i just didnt know if it was better to use the package manager
[12:04] <adi> if your isp blocks port 25 id leave them now:)
[12:04] <Jucato> ritalin: install flashplugin-nonfree
[12:05] <adi> just let firefox install it
[12:06] <ritalin> hmm
[12:06] <ritalin> i need the extra repo's i guess
[12:06] <ritalin> any idea on how to get those? the wiki only explains for ubuntu
[12:07] <Jucato> ritalin: what version of Kubuntu?
[12:08] <ritalin> latest stable
[12:08] <ritalin> whatever that is
[12:08] <adi> why do you want to install flash plugin manuallt when your browser does it for you?
[12:08] <ritalin> adi: i like to use package managers whenever possible
[12:08] <ritalin> just makes it easier
[12:08] <adi> ok:)
[12:08] <Jucato> adi: so that Flash will be installed properly not only for Firefox? (in case he wants to use it in Konqueror too)
[12:08] <adi> ok:)
[12:08] <Jucato> ritalin: multiverse, where the package is, is already enabled by default in Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty (latest stable)
[12:09] <Jucato> ritalin: just look for flashplugin-nonfree
[12:09] <Jucato> if you're using 6.10 (Edgy) or 6.06.x (Dapper), you have to enable the multiverse repository
[12:09] <ritalin> ok
[12:13] <ritalin> kubuntu is really great
[12:13] <ritalin> not very often you see a linux distro that just works(tm) out of the box
[12:14] <ritalin> even sound is all set up
[12:14] <Jucato> :)
[12:18] <ritalin> brb reboot
[12:20] <epimeth> really quick guys (and yes, I know its not a kubuntu specific question...)
[12:21] <epimeth> how would I use sed to make every ' </a>' be just '</a>' ?
[12:22] <widg3t> what does the dvd iso have that the cd iso doesn't?
[12:22] <Jucato> widg3t: lots of packages
[12:23] <widg3t> will i still need to burn a cd or can i install from a dvd?
[12:23] <epimeth> meh... got it :-)
[12:25] <PeterJB> hi
[12:29] <piksi__> anyone can helping setting my HP 1020 w?
[12:29] <piksi__> anyone can helping setting my HP 1020 ?
[12:29] <Graham> Setting it to what?
[12:31] <piksi__> my kubuntu
[12:31] <Graham> You want to get your printer to Kubuntu?
[12:32] <Nanu> hi there
[12:32] <Graham> I'm gonna assume that English isn't your best language.
[12:32] <Graham> Nanu: Morning.
[12:33] <Nanu> I wanna install kubuntu ..  anybody remind me how to install ?
[12:33] <piksi__> Graham: yes i am from indonesia
[12:33] <Graham> piksi__: Have a read through this, it's for Breezy but it'll be very similar for fiesty.
[12:33] <Graham> http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1020
[12:33] <Jucato> !kubuntu | Nanu
[12:33] <ubotu> Nanu: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[12:34] <piksi__> Graham: yes i had following those instructrion
[12:34] <piksi__> but it hasn't work well
[12:34] <Graham> Start the computer, put the CD in, boot it, press enter, wait, click install.
[12:34] <Graham> Any questions?
[12:34] <Maxdamantus> Any one know how to fully remove vmware player off Ubuntu?
[12:35] <Nanu> Graham you are talking to me?
[12:35] <sylvisj> how would I add an ide hard disk to the automount?
[12:35] <Graham> Nanu: Yes.
[12:35] <Maxdamantus> sylvisj, /etc/fstab
[12:35] <Graham> sylvisj: Add something like this to fstab
[12:35] <Maxdamantus> Look at the ones already listed.
[12:35] <Graham> Hang on.
[12:35] <piksi__> Graham: what should i do ?
[12:36] <Graham> Read them again.
[12:36] <piksi__> there are message error "/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed"
[12:37] <Graham> sylvisj: /dev/sdb3  /media/sdb3     vfat    defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[12:37] <piksi__> from my web base cups printer manager
[12:37] <Graham> Obviously you'll need to change the mount point, device and hopefully it's not a FAT drive :)
[12:38] <Graham> piksi__: I recommend you ask in a channel that knows more about printers.
[12:38] <sylvisj> actually
[12:38] <sylvisj> it is an old fat32 ide hdd
[12:38] <sylvisj> Was a windows drive, til it got swapped out for a bigger drive
[12:38] <Graham> Well, you know, format it :)
[12:38] <Graham> piksi__: Read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78272
[12:38] <sylvisj> hah, already have valuable data on it
[12:39] <Graham> Take it off, format it, put it back :)
[12:42] <epimeth> "take it off"... is that okay to say here?
[12:43] <epimeth> so once again I find myself asking the same question... this time I promise I'll write it down
[12:43] <piksi__> Graham : how can i installing new program by using Adept?
[12:43] <epimeth> whats the apt-get install for apache/mysql/php
[12:43] <piksi__> because i usually installing through the Internet update.
[12:43] <Graham> Type in the package name, wait for it to search, then right click and install it.
[12:43] <Graham> epimeth: I don't get you.
[12:44] <epimeth> what are the packages I need for a full a/m/p server?
[12:44] <Graham> epimeth: Can't you just search the packages on adept?
[12:44] <Graham> mysql-server php apache?
[12:45] <epimeth> I can, I don't know what the packages are... its like but that doesn't integrate them into apache... I remember its like "apache-mysql' and 'apache-php5' or something
[12:45] <Jucato> !lamp | epimeth
[12:45] <ubotu> epimeth: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[12:45] <tahsin> jucato: how do i install bootsplash images ?
[12:45] <epimeth> ahhh Jucato... I knew I could count on you :-0
[12:45] <Jucato> lol
[12:46] <Jucato> tahsin: bootsplash? the one you see after choosing Kubuntu in the GRUB menu? or the one you see after logging into KDE?
[12:46] <Maruko> hi everybody
[12:46] <tahsin> jucato: the one i see after choosing kubuntu in the grub
[12:46] <Maruko> can anybody help me install and configure compiz?
[12:46] <tahsin> jucato: i want to change the kubuntu loading screen
[12:47] <Jucato> tahsin: ah, that one's not so easy to do. you can't use most of the ones from kde-look
[12:47] <Jucato> !usplash | tahsin
[12:47] <ubotu> tahsin: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[12:47] <tahsin> jucato: which ones can i use?
[12:47] <Jucato> tahsin: only the ones that say USplash
[12:47] <tahsin> jucato: okay
[12:48] <rmd_> my sound has just stopped working (completely, cant even get volume icon in sys tray) and i dont even know where to begin looking
[12:48] <tahsin> jucato: thanks
[12:48] <tahsin> jucato: can you guide me through one ?
[12:49] <Jucato> tahsin: sorry, never tried to change the bootsplash.
[12:49] <Jucato> (too much headaches last time I tried)
[12:49] <tahsin> jucato: thanks anyways
[12:49] <tahsin> :)
[12:49] <tahsin> jucato: how do i go backwards with baghira ?
[12:50] <tahsin> jucato: i wana get rid of it completely
[12:50] <Jucato> sorry, don't know that one either. haven't tried it
[12:50] <tahsin> jucato: ok
[12:51] <tahsin> jucato: how do i put icons on my desktop like my computer and trash
[12:51] <sakabatou> configure: error: ls -t appears to fail.  Make sure there is not a broken alias, just got this error at compiling, any help would be apreciated
[12:51] <tahsin> jucato: i want the trash on the desktop on the panel
[12:51] <sakabatou> And i have a fresh kubuntu 7.04 install
[12:52] <Jucato> tahsin: right-click on the desktop -> Create New -> Link to Location (URL), and put in the location (URL) field "trash:/" (without the quotes)
[12:52] <Maruko> people
[12:52] <Maruko> please help me install compiz
[12:53] <Jucato> !compiz | Maruko
[12:53] <ubotu> Maruko: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:53] <tahsin> jucato: and that My computer icon ?
[12:53] <Jucato> tahsin: use "system:/"
[12:53] <tahsin> jucato: thanks
[12:56] <tahsin> jucato: how do i change the icon of trash ?
[12:56] <Jucato> tahsin: what do you mean?
[12:57] <tahsin> jucato: i want a different for trash
[12:57] <tahsin> jucato: i want a different icon for trash
[12:57] <tahsin> jucato: how do i change it
[12:57] <Stevethepirate> Um... someone whats the command line flag, when installing kubuntu to disable looking for floppy drives?. i'm getting buffer i/o errors on fd0
[12:57] <Jucato> tahsin: right-click on the icon -> Properties then click on the icon
[12:58] <tahsin> jucato: i mean change the icon of trash in the panel
[12:58] <Jucato> tahsin: ah that can't be changed
[12:58] <tahsin> jucato: so its impossible to change that ?
[12:58] <Jucato>  <Jucato> tahsin: ah that can't be changed <--- that would be a "yes"
[12:59] <tahsin> jucato: lol ok
[12:59] <Jucato> unless you want to dig into the source code
[12:59] <Stevethepirate> anyone?
[12:59] <tahsin> jucato: and the K-kicker icon ?
[12:59] <Jucato> !kmenu
[12:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmenu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:59] <Jucato> bah
[12:59] <Jucato> tahsin: hold on
[12:59] <tahsin> jucato: ok
[01:00] <Jucato> tahsin: <apt> Instructions for changing the K menu icon: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2551958 . Alternatively, use kbfx
[01:01] <Graham> Just replace the icon.
[01:01] <tahsin> jucato: i have kbfx but cant work with it....icons doesnt seem to change u knw why ?
[01:01] <Graham> Lemme find the location.
[01:01] <Jucato> tahsin: then just follow the guide there
[01:01] <Stevethepirate> !HELPME
[01:01] <Graham> It would work fine with kbfx
[01:01] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:01] <Graham> And don't yell.
[01:02] <Stevethepirate> is there a install commandline flag to disable floppy detection! plesae!!!
[01:02] <tahsin> Who is yelling ?
[01:02] <Jucato> Stevethepirate: sorry, no idea. otherwise I would have answered
[01:02] <Jucato> and someone would have answered if 1) they knew or 2) they are here and they knew
[01:03] <Stevethepirate> Jucato: would noacpi fix it?
[01:03] <Jucato> I'm not sure. I don't use the boot options in the CD
[01:03] <Jucato> I think there's a help menu there
[01:04] <rmd_> kde decided after the most recent update that it can't find my intel sound hardware... any ideas?
[01:04] <Graham> rmd_: Gime it some love and come chocolate and it might change it's mind.
[01:05] <Graham> Give*
[01:05] <Graham> Does lspci think it exists?
[01:06] <Jucato> most probably the kernel, not kde, decided that....
[01:06] <Jucato> (since the latest updates were kernel related)
[01:06] <rmd_> i tried booting the old kernel
[01:06] <rmd_> and it still didnt work
[01:07] <rmd_> 00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[01:07] <rmd_> (from lspci)
[01:08] <rmd_> but the device doesnt show up in kmix
[01:08] <Maruko> hey
[01:08] <Maruko> why there is no wiki for kubuntu feisty?
[01:09] <zerozero> if I want to upgrade from edgy to feisty, do I just change the source location in the sources.lst file?
[01:12] <rmd_> ok
[01:12] <rmd_> i take it back
[01:12] <rmd_> old kernel: sound works
[01:13] <thomax_> are there .deb packages released for lame 3.97 ?
[01:13] <Maruko> yes zerozer
[01:14] <Graham> Could someone gimme a hand with k3b? It only writes at 4x and I know it can write faster.
[01:14] <Maruko> you just have to change "feisty" in place of "edgy" in every line of your repositories and then give
[01:14] <Maruko> sudo apt-get update
[01:14] <Maruko> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:14] <Maruko> Graham perhaps it's a problem with your cd
[01:14] <Maruko> if the cd is set for 4x it will not write faster
[01:15] <zerozero> Maruko: thanks
[01:15] <Maruko> no problem
[01:15] <Graham> Maruko: I've wrote to the CD before faster, I recently formatted my computer.
[01:15] <Maruko> uh ok
[01:15] <Maruko> it's the same cd u used before?
[01:15] <Graham> dvd
[01:15] <Graham> And yes.
[01:16] <Maruko> hmmm
[01:16] <Maruko> sorry don't know why it writes only 4x
[01:16] <Maruko> it's strange to me
[01:17] <Graham> Actually...
[01:17] <Graham> No I must be wrong, the DVD has 4x written on it.
[01:17] <Maruko> ok
[01:18] <Maruko> that's what I meant before
[01:18] <Graham> I know.
[01:18] <Maruko> it's set fopr 4x
[01:18] <Maruko> ^^
[01:21] <uNk_> why kubuntu does not reconize my second disk (ext3) - it is on ATA.
[01:21] <Graham> Because Sata sucks shit.
[01:22] <toma> I want to install feisty, but X will not come up properly, is there an alternate way to install it from that cd?
[01:22] <uNk_> Graham, thnx but i need answer why does not work
[01:22] <olaff> hey all, how do i install firefox on kubuntu from a tar.gz ?? sorry very nuub question
[01:23] <Graham> uNk_: Have a look in k menu > system settings > advanced > filesystems.
[01:23] <Graham> You may just need to mount it manually.
[01:23] <Maruko> olaff
[01:23] <olaff> hello
[01:23] <Maruko> enter a console
[01:23] <olaff> k
[01:23] <Graham> toma: I'd be worried if X doesn't work, since it may not work when it's installed
[01:24] <Maruko> then type
[01:24] <Maruko> tar -xvfz packagename.tar.gz
[01:24] <Graham> olaff: Firefox comes with a GUI installer, extract it and run the bash file.
[01:24] <Maruko> but if you want it easier
[01:24] <Maruko> just type
[01:24] <uNk_> Graham, bios detect disk but kde doesnt. =/
[01:24] <Maruko> sudo apt-get install firefox
[01:25] <toma> Graham: i need the propietary drivers from ati. the installer default does not work.
[01:25] <Graham> Oh well if that's the case, try the safe graphics mode
[01:25] <Maruko> how is it olaff?
[01:26] <toma> Graham: the menu is 'start kubuntu in safe graphics mode', its missing the 'install' part
[01:26] <toma> Graham: oh, but i can start it from the desktop, non?
[01:26] <olaff> tar: z: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[01:26] <olaff> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[01:27] <Maruko> ??
[01:27] <Graham> You can't install it in Windows if that's what you're asking.
[01:27] <Maruko> uh
[01:27] <Maruko> sorry
[01:27] <Maruko> my fault
[01:27] <Graham> Maruko: You failed.
[01:27] <Maruko> tar -xvzf namepackage.tar.gz
[01:27] <toma> Graham: ok, thanks.
[01:27] <Maruko> yeah, sorry
[01:27] <olaff> it liked that better!
[01:28] <olaff> how to remember that now... :)
[01:28] <Maruko> hah
[01:28] <Graham> toma: Just try that safe graphics mode.
[01:28] <Graham> It doesn't say install, but I'm betting it does.
[01:28] <uNk_> Graham, what i have to do to detect it?
[01:28] <toma> Graham: ok, the bet is on
[01:28] <olaff> hmm so where does that install it Maruko?
[01:28] <Graham> uNk_: Ask in ##linux as they probably know more about it.
[01:29] <Maruko> olaff
[01:29] <Maruko> you just untarred the directory
[01:29] <toma> Graham: fails as well
[01:29] <Maruko> you didn't install it
[01:29] <olaff> ahh ok now what :)
[01:29] <Maruko> probably you have to compile the whole thing
[01:29] <Maruko> hehe
[01:29] <Maruko> ok
[01:29] <jileen> hi
[01:30] <Maruko> just enter the directory you estracted firefox in
[01:30] <olaff> k
[01:30] <Maruko> done?
[01:30] <jacques_> hi there
[01:30] <olaff> sorry, yeah
[01:30] <Maruko> open a console in that directory
[01:30] <jacques_> I am a kubuntu user from China
[01:30] <olaff> done
[01:30] <Maruko> ni hao jacques
[01:30] <jacques_> ni hao
[01:31] <Maruko> and now type ./configure
[01:31] <Maruko> ni y
[01:31] <jacques_> ni hui shuo zhomgwen ma?
[01:31] <Maruko> en
[01:31] <jacques_> zhongwen
[01:31] <Maruko> wo shi weinisi daxue zhongwen xi biye de
[01:31] <jacques_> Maruko
[01:31] <Maruko> wo zai zhongguo zhule yi nian de
[01:31] <Maruko> yep?
[01:31] <Maruko> how is it olaff?
[01:31] <jacques_> ni shi zhonguoren
[01:32] <youlin> *
[01:32] <Maruko> bu shi
[01:32] <Maruko> yidaliren
[01:32] <jacques_> ni shi riben de
[01:32] <olaff> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[01:32] <jacques_> yidali
[01:32] <pag> !en
[01:32] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[01:32] <jacques_> wo shi Mali de
[01:32] <Maruko> uh???
[01:32] <Maruko> olaff please paste the result of ls
[01:32] <Maruko> mali?
[01:32] <jacques_> danshi wo zai zhongguo xuexi
[01:32] <jacques_> dui
[01:32] <Maruko> feizhou ren dui ba?
[01:33] <jacques_> zai xifei
[01:33] <Maruko> en
[01:33] <jacques_> wo anjuan le Beryl danshi wo xianzai you yidian wenti
[01:33] <Maruko> hai you biede zhongguo ren ma?
[01:33] <jacques_> dui a
[01:33] <Maruko> weishenme?
[01:33] <olaff> Maruko http://pastie.caboo.se/65586
[01:34] <Maruko> olaff
[01:34] <jacques_> wo shi zai liuxue
[01:34] <Maruko> are you running kubuntu?
[01:34] <olaff> yeah
[01:34] <Maruko> type "firefox"
[01:34] <Maruko> en
[01:34] <Maruko> ni xihuan beijing ma?
[01:34] <jacques_> bu shi hen xihuan
[01:35] <Maruko> haha
[01:35] <Maruko> wo ye shi!!
[01:35] <jacques_> wo xianzai zai wuhan
[01:35] <Maruko> oooo
[01:35] <Maruko> mei quguo de chengshi
[01:35] <olaff> says "command not found"
[01:35] <Maruko> yinggai hen you yisi
[01:35] <pag> olaff, you can run it with ./firefox  (or ./firefox-bin  I'm not sure which) As far as I know FF with ships the ready binary in it's package.
[01:35] <jacques_> danshi wo bijiao xihuan yunnan
[01:35] <Maruko> uh?
[01:35] <Maruko> how come?
[01:35] <jacques_> bu hao
[01:35] <genii> olaff try:  mozilla-firefox
[01:35] <olaff> yeah ./firefox ran it pag
[01:35] <charlles> hi there
[01:35] <jacques_> dongtian tai leng le
[01:35] <jacques_> xiatian ye hen re
[01:35] <Maruko> shi de
[01:35] <Maruko> keshi wo xiguanle leng de dongtian
[01:36] <jacques_> ni keyi ban wo ma
[01:36] <Maruko> bei yidali de dongtian feichang leng
[01:36] <Maruko> kan yi xia
[01:36] <jacques_> dui
[01:36] <olaff> didnt like that either genii
[01:36] <jacques_> women feizhouren shou bu liao
[01:36] <Maruko> hmmm
[01:36] <Maruko> olaff:
[01:36] <jacques_> wo zai shuo
[01:36] <Maruko> exit that directory and give sudo apt-get install firefox
[01:36] <Maruko> en
[01:36] <jacques_> wo de beryl you yidian wenti
[01:36] <Maruko> shenme yang de wenti
[01:37] <jacques_> wo anjuan le zoutian hen hao yong
[01:37] <olaff> so ./firefox ran it.... to clarify for eveyrone so kind as to help
[01:37] <genii> olaff It can sometimes be different names from the apt-get name, I think the name for the binary is firefox-bin     so if in that directory, do ./firefox-bin
[01:37] <jacques_> danshi xianzai wo yi kai dou shi baiping de
[01:37] <olaff> sudo apt-get firefox is now getting an istalling the package
[01:37] <Maruko> baiping????
[01:38] <Maruko> zenme hui shi?
[01:38] <Maruko> olaff
[01:38] <Maruko> yes
[01:38] <jacques_> dui pinmu jiu shi bai de
[01:38] <Maruko> and it will set everything you need automatically
[01:38] <Maruko> with icons and so on
[01:38] <Maruko> oooo
[01:38] <nuu> guys, this is an english only channel
[01:38] <Maruko> zhe ge
[01:38] <Maruko> ok
[01:38] <Maruko> translation for you guys
[01:38] <olaff> cool, i forgot this the buntu was so good!
[01:39] <Maruko> Jacques has a problem: he installed Beryl yesterday, it worked but now he restarted everything and all he got is a white screen
[01:39] <Maruko> anyway sorry
[01:39] <olaff> LOL so that installed it and added nice shortcut to the internet menu!
[01:39] <jacques_> olaff ubuntu is the coolest distro I has ever seen
[01:39] <Maruko> but I really think we didn't harm anybody
[01:39] <ardchoille> jacques_ should go to a channel which speaks his language
[01:39] <olaff> thanks guys!!
[01:39] <olaff> :D
[01:39] <Maruko> olaff: no problem
[01:40] <genii> ardchoille Well, with an interpreter present it's not so horrible LOL
[01:40] <Maruko> right
[01:40] <jacques_> I speak english and french so ardchoille no problem there
[01:40] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[01:41] <Maruko> we are just practicing our chinese
[01:41] <olaff> can you get internet explorer for kubuntu, (for testing dodgy css) ?
[01:41] <Maruko> hmmm
[01:41] <Maruko> olaff
[01:41] <Maruko> I don't know
[01:41] <jacques_> I have installed beryl and yesterday was working fine
[01:41] <Maruko> I know you can get opera Firefox Konqueror and so on
[01:41] <jacques_> even this morning it was ok
[01:41] <Maruko> but internet explorer....
[01:41] <olaff> ahh found it.. good old google
[01:42] <jacques_> Maruko: can it be a problem with the kernel upgrade
[01:42] <genii> olaff No, there is only 1 non-windows version of Microsoft Explorer , but it is not for any Linux (Just an old Unix) and it is no longer found anyplace
[01:42] <Maruko> when you upgraded it?
[01:43] <olaff> apparently genii there is one called ies4linux
[01:43] <jacques_> around 2:00 bejing time
[01:43] <Maruko> ok
[01:43] <johannes_> I installed it yesterday it works great!
[01:43] <Maruko> was it this morning?
[01:43] <genii> olaff There may be some reverse-engineered version, but I am speaking of from Microsoft
[01:43] <jacques_> this afternoon
[01:43] <Maruko> hmm
[01:43] <johannes_> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[01:43] <Maruko> then I tthik it might definitely be a problem with the new kernel
[01:44] <Maruko> have you tried using the old kernel?
[01:44] <olaff> ahh yeah genii, they dont like to share source, oh and then integrate the whole thing with their os loco
[01:44] <jacques_> ok Maruko let me restart with the old kernel and let you know
[01:44] <Maruko> ok
[01:44] <Maruko> no problem
[01:44] <olaff> is it good johnannes?
[01:44] <jacques_> so see in 1mn
[01:44] <Maruko> see you
[01:44] <johannes_> I don't use for advanced stuff but it seems to be quite good
[01:45] <olaff> johannes_: does it render the same as ie on win?
[01:45] <johannes_> it's a little different with the fonts
[01:45] <genii> olaff There was a version 5 of Microsoft IE for Solaris or HP Unix, but it has not been around for awhile now, and the source code was also never (of course) supplied
[01:46] <olaff> ahh thanks genii, bloody m$ eh!
[01:47] <genii> olaff :)
[01:47] <johannes_> olaff: 5.2, 5.5 and 6 is avaible in ies4linux...
[01:48] <olaff> sweet, thanks johannes_: ie 5.5 ~ shudder
[01:48] <johannes_> ;)
[01:48] <Maruko> how is it jacques_?
[01:50] <jacques_> Maruko: it is a problem with the new kernel
[01:50] <jacques_> I boot the old one and every thing is fine
[01:51] <sebastien__> lu le monde
[01:51] <Maruko> ok
[01:51] <sebastien__> vous etes des vrai ?
[01:51] <Maruko> na mei wenti a
[01:51] <genii> olaff BTW if you need to check css stuff, try running it thru  http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator.html#validate-by-upload to see if it's valid code
[01:51] <Maruko> so it's ok then
[01:51] <sebastien__> ou alors des bot ?
[01:51] <jacques_> dui mei wenti
[01:52] <Maruko> ;)
[01:52] <sebastien__> english boulet
[01:52] <olaff> good old ctrl+ shift + a in ff genii:
[01:52] <olaff> :
[01:52] <olaff> :)
[01:52] <Maruko> jacques_ baochi lianxi
[01:52] <jacques_> i think that you did a good job with this ubuntu
[01:53] <olaff> damn it oly does that in windows genii:
[01:53] <jacques_> keyi ni de zhongwen hen hao
[01:53] <sebastien__> cc
[01:53] <sebastien__> re
[01:53] <olaff> or perhaaps its my toolbar i forget curse this brain
[01:53] <sebastien__> hello
[01:53] <sebastien__> hi
[01:54] <sebastien__> whatds do you are doing ?
[01:54] <sebastien__> whatds do you do
[01:54] <sebastien__> ii me a serial flooder
[01:54] <sebastien__> ii me a serial flooder
[01:54] <sebastien__> ii me a serial flooder
[01:54] <sebastien__> ii me a serial flooder
[01:54] <sebastien__> ii me a serial flooder
[01:54] <Maruko> nalinali
[01:54] <sebastien__> ii me a serial flooder
[01:54] <sebastien__> ii me a serial flooder
[01:54] <sebastien__> ii me a serial flooder
[01:54] <sebastien__> ii me a serial flooder
[01:54] <sebastien__> ii me a serial flooder
[01:54] <sebastien__> ii me a serial flooder
[01:54] <jacques_> maruko: i hen hao
[01:55] <Maruko> jacques_ ni de youjian dizhi shi shenme ? MSN ne?
[01:55] <_4strO> too late Jucato :p
[01:55] <genii> It still beats me why ppl spam for no reason other than boredom like that
[01:55] <_4strO> except for a ban :p
[01:55] <jacques_> ni hai zai zhongguo ma?
[01:55] <genii> Jucato Hi BTW :)
[01:55] <jacques_> benini_8@hotmail.com
[01:55] <Jucato> hi genii! long time!
[01:55] <jacques_> yahoo ye keyi
[01:55] <Jucato> jacques_: English only please
[01:55] <_4strO> Jucato: where do you from ?
[01:56] <Jucato> _4strO: huh?
[01:56] <jacques_> from mali
[01:56] <genii> Jucato Yeah I've been working some construction at nights when I usually would be haunting the IRC :)
[01:56] <_4strO> sorry Jucato i should ask to jacques_ :p
[01:56] <Jucato> genii: explains the long absence. glad to see you back :)
[01:57] <genii> olaff I'll share the coffeepot with you LOL help yourself
[01:57] <Maruko> ok jacques added you
[01:57] <genii> Jucato thanks :) :)
[01:57] <jacques_> ok you can add yahoo too
[01:57] <olaff> mmm, what a nice channel :) just like the os
[01:57] <Maruko> ok
[01:57] <Maruko> tell me
[01:57] <jacques_> jacwuhan2003@yahoo.fr
[01:58] <_4strO> jacques_: where do you from ?
[01:58] <olaff> i guess france :)
[01:58] <johannes_> stripper point! I take my panties off...
[01:58] <Jucato> !language | johannes_
[01:58] <ubotu> johannes_: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:58] <jacques_> yes it is
[01:59] <johannes_> sorry... :|
[01:59] <_4strO> ni hai zai zhongguo ma? < wich language is it ?
[01:59] <olaff> whoo, call me sherlock holmes! :)
[01:59] <Maruko> jacques
[01:59] <jacques_> chinese
[01:59] <Maruko> seems like I cannot add you to yahoo
[01:59] <jacques_> no problem
[02:00] <Jucato> jacques_: this is an English channel. please speak in English. thanks
[02:00] <_4strO> thx jacques_
[02:00] <jacques_> jucato i will
[02:00] <mogul> hello
[02:00] <Maruko> jacques_: I cannot add you to yahoo
[02:00] <Maruko> it gives me an error
[02:01] <jacques_> you can tell me your yahoo nad I will add you
[02:01] <_4strO> chinese firewall Maruko ?
[02:01] <_4strO> lol
[02:01] <Maruko> ....
[02:01] <Maruko> ok
[02:01] <Jucato> Maruko, jacques_: please take the conversation in private. thanks :)
[02:01] <Maruko> solitary_sanity
[02:02] <Maruko> ok
[02:02] <Maruko> Jucato, sorry
[02:03] <genii> Unusually quiet for support issues this hour :) Must be a Good Thing
[02:03] <olaff> why isnt there a good translation thing around yet?
[02:03] <jacques_> ok I will
[02:03] <mogul> I've just tried to install kubuntu 7.04 but it fails to start the x server. When I switch to another (character) screen I can log in, but cannot start x even.
[02:03] <Jucato> genii: it's a good thing.means that I can get back to studying :)
[02:03] <jacques_> Maruko!
[02:03] <mogul> If somebody knows a solution please tell me.
[02:03] <Jucato> mogul: what happens when you type "startx"
[02:04] <mogul> fatal error
[02:04] <mogul> 104
[02:04] <chuen> Hi. Can someone tell me where my lp0 migh be located - or how I find out? It's a USB printer.
[02:04] <Jucato> mogul: what did you install before this happened?
[02:04] <jacques_> I think that there is a problem when using scim chinese
[02:04] <mogul> nothing, it is from the live cd
[02:04] <Jucato> oh.. hm...
[02:04] <genii> mogul The livecd itself fails to boot into X server?
[02:05] <mogul> yesterday I've tried it in vmware, it worked fine
[02:05] <mogul> yes
[02:05] <mogul> even in safe graphics mode
[02:05] <Jucato> mogul: well, VMWare isn't really a good test of hardware compatibility
[02:05] <mogul> i know
[02:05] <_4strO> chuen: did you configure your printer ?
[02:05] <jacques_> mogul
[02:05] <Jucato> if it runs in vmware, doesn't mean it will run on your hardware
[02:06] <kurt> erm in kubuntu feisty where is the restricted drivers manager
[02:06] <_4strO> chuen: K / system settings / printer
[02:06] <mogul> you've right
[02:06] <chuen> _4strO: Um, kind of.
[02:06] <jacques_> what graphic card are you using?
[02:06] <Jucato> mogul: maybe it's a problem with your video card. have you tried other Linux distros?
[02:06] <mogul> ati mobility radeon x1300
[02:06] <chuen> _4strO: What I mean is where will it be located on my system? which directory ..
[02:07] <mogul> of course
[02:07] <genii> mogul Since you can access the TTY screens, it may be that the video is being shown on a secondary video card. If you have more than one video plug for monitors, try the others to see if it comes up there
[02:07] <mogul> I used linux mint, which is Edgy based
[02:07] <_4strO> chuen: it's a printer why should have it a directory ?
[02:07] <_4strO> chuen: it's a printer why should it have a directory ?
[02:08] <mogul> OK, I try to connect a monitor
[02:08] <chuen> _4strO: I mean (for example  is located /dev/usb/lp0
[02:08] <johannes_> chue: I think it's in dev directory in root
[02:08] <Maruko> jacques_: yes?
[02:08] <chuen> _4strO: It odesn't seem to be, and I can't locate it.
[02:09] <chuen> johannes_: Thx I'll have a look.
[02:09] <_4strO> chuen: in a console : locate lp0 ?
[02:09] <jacques_> scim chinese is working fine but I found that when I install it I have a segmentation fault with some applications
[02:10] <chuen> _4strO: Ok, thx.
[02:10] <chuen> That's found it.
[02:10] <_4strO> nice :)
[02:11] <genii> mogul Did you find the X server was showing on the other monitor plug?
[02:13] <mogul> I've seen the same output in the monitor as in the lcd screen
[02:14] <kurt> erm in kubuntu feisty where is the restricted drivers manager
[02:14] <mogul> I switched to the monitor so the laptop's screen switched off, and tried to start x, but the same result
[02:14] <johannes_> kurt: i'm sitting on the same question
[02:16] <genii> mogul OK. It is likely then that when run in the VM it works because the hardware is translated to the virtual machine which runs the install, but when running the cd directly, the driver by default for the video is not good. With ATI this is often the case. You may need to do a command line install from the alternate CD, then afterwards edit the xorg.conf files
[02:17] <jacques_> mogul: what graphic card are you using?
[02:17] <mogul> ati mobility radeon x1300
[02:17] <genii> mogul Especially the vesa driver on the newer ATI goes strange
[02:17] <mogul> genii: do you mean, that I should download the alternate kubuntu cd?
[02:17] <jacques_> I am using ati mobility radeon 9000 and everything is ok
[02:18] <mogul> witch this card is ok everything in the previous version
[02:18] <jacques_> did run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[02:18] <genii> mogul That would be my recommendation. From there you can do a basic installation. Then to put on the KDE you can do:   sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:18] <mogul> not yet. Should I try?
[02:19] <jacques_> yes
[02:19] <jacques_> and after do <startx>
[02:19] <genii> mogul Likely even after that it will not begin, but from a console login you will be able to change the settings in the xorg.conf file to make the card work properly
[02:20] <jacques_> I have an old ati mobility rage 4mb
[02:20] <jacques_> and kubuntu is running very fine
[02:24] <genii> The post-radeon cards are often problemmatic
[02:26] <mogul> I've tried
[02:26] <mogul> no success
[02:27] <MrDigimon> Can anyone help me? i had to cancel the dist-upgrade because of thunder
[02:27] <MrDigimon> and now i cant fix it
[02:27] <mogul> xio: fatal io error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on x server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
[02:28] <MrDigimon> kde wont start and the same with X
[02:28] <_4strO> MrDigimon: the dist-upgrade was stop by the thunder ?
[02:28] <MrDigimon> no i had to cancel it
[02:28] <Ash-Fox> !pidgin
[02:28] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It wasn't released in time for Feisty. Expect it in gutsy. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info.
[02:28] <_4strO> so why dont just finish it know ?
[02:28] <_4strO> now*
[02:29] <MrDigimon> some of the packs took damage (i guess) so now i cant install even if i force it
[02:29] <juan> my kubuntu installation hangs whenever i try to run it graphically
[02:30] <juan> my ubuntu / kubuntu live cd hangs, but not my alternate install cd
[02:30] <_4strO> MrDigimon: what's happen whenn you : sudo dist-upgrade ?
[02:30] <MrDigimon> i already run it as root
[02:30] <_4strO> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (i dont remeber the exact command :)
[02:30] <MrDigimon> its that but i already run as root
[02:31] <_4strO> and what happend ?
[02:31] <juan> using an nvidia card
[02:31] <MrDigimon> it cant correct the depencies
[02:31] <MrDigimon> that is what it says
[02:31] <_4strO> can you past the error message ?
[02:32] <MrDigimon> i use another comp just now because i cant use anything with X
[02:33] <MrDigimon> some of the lib packs cant be fixed or something like that
[02:33] <MrDigimon> can i put in an live cd and run dist-upgrade?
[02:33] <MrDigimon> or must i try to solve it
[02:34] <adaptr> ..or you could just use a console
[02:34] <_4strO> MrDigimon: adaptr is right
[02:35] <adaptr> fark those X-addicts
[02:35] <_4strO> MrDigimon: the errror message give you a command (dpkg ..) to fix
[02:35] <MrDigimon> it says something about some packs that it cant correct the depencies but it dont give me any command
[02:38] <_4strO> MrDigimon: try to : apt-get update
[02:39] <MrDigimon> ok i try it
[02:39] <_4strO> MrDigimon: and then apt-get upgrade
[02:39] <MrDigimon> didnt work
[02:40] <_4strO> apt-get update ??
[02:40] <MrDigimon> yeah
[02:40] <MrDigimon> didnt work
[02:40] <_4strO> what he said ?
[02:40] <MrDigimon> it upgraded the list
[02:40] <BluesKaj> !upgrade
[02:40] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[02:41] <MrDigimon> and then i dist-upgraded again
[02:41] <MrDigimon> but it came the same error
[02:41] <MrDigimon> should i try apt-get upgrade only?
[02:41] <ubuntu_> hi
[02:41] <BluesKaj> what error MrDigimon ?
[02:41] <ubuntu_> i broke my kubuntu :(
[02:41] <_4strO> yes MrDigimon
[02:42] <ubuntu_> well it wasnt really me as it was the nvidia driver
[02:42] <MrDigimon> E: cant correct depencies
[02:42] <ubuntu_> after i installed the new-nvidia-driver X11 wont load
[02:42] <ubuntu_> im on livecd now
[02:42] <ubuntu_> any reasons why?
[02:42] <BluesKaj> MrDigimon, dpkg --configure -a
[02:43] <MrDigimon> ok
[02:43] <MrDigimon> will try
[02:43] <_4strO> that the one i searched :)
[02:43] <_4strO> dpkg --configure -a
[02:44] <WeeJeWel> hey all
[02:44] <MrDigimon> looks like its trying to fix the pack now :D
[02:44] <_4strO> :)
[02:44] <WeeJeWel> anyone knows how to turn off the automatic file system checking on every boot?
[02:44] <_4strO> weird he didn't give you the command in the previous error message
[02:44] <_4strO> gave*
[02:45] <ReMiiRuru> Where can I check if a tablet will work with linux? ._.;
[02:46] <BluesKaj> ubuntu_  : sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:46] <MrDigimon> will it install every program from the feisty list or only the ones with errors?
[02:46] <MrDigimon> the command u gave blueskaj
[02:48] <BluesKaj> it doesn't install any as far as I know, it just removes dependencies and leaves it up to you to go to the app site to found out what dependencies have to installed beforehand
[02:48] <_4strO> MrDigimon: you should sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade after it finish
[02:48] <MrDigimon> it gave a error about that qtparted & kdelibsomething aint working
[02:49] <ubuntu_> how big should /boot be on #ubuntu?
[02:49] <BluesKaj> anyway , i have to go ...bb in 6-7 hrs
[02:49] <atze> hiya
[02:50] <_4strO> MrDigimon: try : apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:50] <ubuntu_> anyone know how big /boot should be?
[02:50] <atze> does anybody know how to pass arguments to the xserver when starting kdm?
[02:50] <atze> i need to run it with -verboselevel 6
[02:50] <gamienator> Hello
[02:50] <_4strO> ubuntu mind is about 40Mo
[02:50] <atze> to check the log...
[02:50] <llutz> atze: edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[02:50] <_4strO> mine*
[02:50] <gamienator> I need the plugin which i can play mp3 Files
[02:50] <epimeth> !msfonts
[02:50] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[02:50] <ubuntu_> !boot
[02:50] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[02:50] <atze> llutz: thnx!
[02:51] <gamienator> I need the Packagename
[02:51] <_4strO> gamienator: use apt-cache search or adept :)
[02:51] <ubuntu_> _4strO: 40mb /boot?
[02:51] <atze> llutz: that was easy, thnx!
[02:51] <juan278> is the only problem with the new kernal changing the sda sdb to hda hdb ?
[02:51] <_4strO> ubuntu_: yes but i have 3 kernel atm
[02:51] <llutz> atze: np
[02:51] <gamienator> w00t ?
[02:52] <MrDigimon> how can i configure the depencies in a specific pack
[02:52] <_4strO> MrDigimon: i dont understand, did you try apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade now ?
[02:53] <MrDigimon> the dpkg --configure -a returns a error on 2 packs
[02:53] <gamienator> I don
[02:53] <MrDigimon> i cant run dist-upgrade before these 2 packs are fixed
[02:53] <gamienator> i don't understand ^^
[02:53] <_4strO> MrDigimon: you think or it say it to you ?
[02:54] <_4strO> gamienator: use the package manager adept
[02:54] <MrDigimon> it returns tha same error every time
[02:54] <_4strO> MrDigimon: ok
[02:54] <gamienator> I need the NAME ...
[02:54] <gamienator> i need the name of the package that must download xD
[02:54] <MrDigimon> on what?
[02:54] <_4strO> gamienator: how can we give you the name ?
[02:55] <MrDigimon> kdelibsomething and qtparted
[02:55] <gamienator> to play mp3 Files
[02:55] <gamienator> and Shoutcast streams
[02:55] <MrDigimon> they dont work!
[02:55] <_4strO> !codecs | gamienator
[02:55] <ubotu> gamienator: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:55] <MrDigimon> help
[02:56] <juan278> MrDigimon:  i think you can force the updates but im not sure if its -f or -m
[02:57] <epimeth> okay... so how do I install Tahoma?
[02:57] <epimeth> or fonts in general?
[02:58] <epimeth> oohh.... hrm
[02:59] <MrDigimon> i can use -f with apt-get but how do i force dpkg?
[02:59] <_4strO> MrDigimon: try to : rm -rf /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:59] <gamienator> oos, i have forget, that i have here Kubuntu 6.06 Can I update Kubuntu with synaptic ?
[03:00] <niclas> hi, I am extremely new to this so forgive me if I do something wrong
[03:00] <_4strO> !upgrade |  gamienator
[03:00] <ubotu> gamienator: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[03:00] <niclas> but I need som help with kubuntu feisty
[03:01] <_4strO> !ask | niclas
[03:01] <ubotu> niclas: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:01] <MrDigimon> ok _4stro i will try that
[03:01] <Ace2016> _4strO: maybe he is typing the question
[03:01] <niclas> two things, can't get to my Lacie external HD and my keyboard stops functioning after a while
[03:01] <_4strO> MrDigimon: you should probably remove all the file in the  /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ too
[03:02] <Ace2016> niclas: time to get a new keyboard?
[03:02] <niclas> hm, I never had any problem with it in Win XP
[03:02] <juan278> niclas: what connection does the keyboard have
[03:03] <niclas> USB
[03:03] <MrDigimon> _4stro: im deleting the archives now
[03:03] <niclas> and my mouse to, but I put an adapter on it so they wouldn't interfere withh eachother
[03:04] <MrDigimon> i will delete everything in partail soon
[03:04] <_4strO> ok
[03:04] <Ace2016> niclas: what bios do you use?
[03:04] <Ace2016> niclas: what motherboard?
[03:04] <epimeth> is it enough to just move the two tahoma fonts to /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/ or do I need to do something more in order to see them in firefox?
[03:04] <juan278> what have you tried, to mount your HD, i assume its an external USB drive? my friends just needed to be unpluged and then replugged, but if your running the latest kernel there are lots of problems
[03:05] <niclas> hm, don't know, I'm now that into computers, but wait and I'll check
[03:05] <Ace2016> i was just reading this: http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/9/27/110
[03:06] <niclas>  Asus P5N32-SLI SE Deluxe, nForce4 SLI X16, Socket-775, GbLAN, DDR2, PCI-Ex16
[03:06] <gamienator> lol
[03:06] <gamienator> I cant open the update Site :(
[03:06] <niclas> can that be my motherboard?
[03:07] <niclas> my HD uses firewire
[03:07] <mogul> I've got a strange problem. The gtk applications became black surfaced, and of course the black text don't appear on that.
[03:07] <juan278> does anything happen when you plug the HD in?
[03:07] <Ace2016> niclas: no idea, if you have a Legacy support option in bios maybe turning it off would work
[03:07] <niclas> and is NTFS configured, but I have installet ntfs-3g so that shouldn't be a problem
[03:08] <Ace2016> all the problems seem usb related
[03:08] <MrDigimon> guess i have to reinstall the whole damn thing, i hit enter before i finished writing so it became: rm -rf /var/cache/apt/archives/partail/*
[03:08] <niclas> legacy support?
[03:08] <MrDigimon> so now is the whole directory lost lol
[03:08] <_4strO> MrDigimon: no pb
[03:08] <niclas> how do I turn it off?
[03:08] <Ace2016> niclas: try running dmesg|grep usb  in konsole, that may show the errors
[03:09] <_4strO> MrDigimon: that was exactly what you should do :)
[03:09] <MrDigimon> is there anything to do or must i reinstall
[03:09] <gamienator> the update notes are for Ubuntu !!!
[03:09] <juan278> niclas:  to turn legacey support of you have to go into your bios settings, F2 at boot
[03:09] <_4strO> MrDigimon: try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[03:09] <MrDigimon> ok
[03:09] <gamienator> lol
[03:09] <gamienator> sorry
[03:09] <gamienator> there is it for Kubuntu sorry xD
[03:09] <MrDigimon> i have to copy 6gb from my homefolder if else
[03:09] <avantasia_> exit
[03:10] <niclas> ok, could it do any damage if I turn it off?
[03:10] <Ace2016> gemidjy|out: well dmesg should show the error with bios, he doesn't have to bother restarting
[03:10] <Ace2016> niclas: damage what? run that command first to find out if you even need to
[03:10] <MrDigimon> it dont work ARCHIVES MISSING lololol
[03:10] <niclas> the command to turn it off?
[03:11] <Ace2016> niclas: Alt+F2, type konsole, then run it, then type dmesg|grep usb  at the prompt
[03:11] <gemidjy|out> Ace2016: ??
[03:11] <gemidjy|out> :)
[03:11] <MrDigimon> guess i have to copy 6gb from my homefolder then lol
[03:11] <MrDigimon> but now is all my fine progs lost, sob...
[03:11] <Ace2016> gemidjy|out: sorry wrong person
[03:12] <_4strO> MrDigimon: ???
[03:12] <niclas> I'm in the console and typed what you asked me, but I don't understand what that which came up means
[03:12] <_4strO> MrDigimon: ARCHIVE MISSING with apt-get update ?
[03:12] <MrDigimon> nope upgrade
[03:12] <Ace2016> !pastebin | niclas
[03:12] <ubotu> niclas: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:12] <MrDigimon> partail is lost lol
[03:12] <Ace2016> copy the output there, then someone who knows more can help
[03:13] <_4strO> MrDigimon: your box is xonnect to the internet right ?
[03:13] <MrDigimon> yep
[03:13] <MrDigimon> why do u ask?
[03:14] <_4strO> because of the error message
[03:14] <_4strO> weird
[03:14] <Ace2016> niclas: and also copy the output of  dmesg|grep USB  to pastebin
[03:14] <MrDigimon> problem is that i use wireless so i cant connect lol
[03:14] <niclas> [    3.225437]  usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs
[03:14] <niclas> [    3.225458]  usbcore: registered new interface driver hub
[03:14] <_4strO> MrDigimon: loool put an ethernet in it
[03:14] <niclas> [    3.264975]  usbcore: registered new device driver usb
[03:14] <niclas> [    5.437148]  usb usb1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[03:14] <niclas> [    5.539625]  usb usb2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[03:15] <Jucato_> !paste | niclas
[03:15] <ubotu> niclas: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:15] <niclas> [    5.962615]  usb 1-9: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3
[03:15] <niclas> [    6.100863]  usb 1-9: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[03:15] <niclas> [    6.740004]  usb usb3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[03:15] <MrDigimon> dont have a cable thats long enough lol
[03:15] <niclas> [    7.145547]  usb 3-1: new low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2
[03:15] <niclas> [    7.379354]  usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[03:15] <niclas> [    7.475163]  usb usb4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[03:15] <niclas> [    7.490513]  usbcore: registered new interface driver hiddev
[03:15] <_4strO> MrDigimon: so move your box :)
[03:15] <Ace2016> stop
[03:15] <niclas> [    7.501285]  input: USB HID v1.11 Keyboard [Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000]  on usb-0000:00:0b.0-1
[03:15] <Ace2016> niclas: stop
[03:15] <niclas> [    7.518268]  input: USB HID v1.11 Device [Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000]  on usb-0000:00:0b.0-1
[03:15] <niclas> [    7.518278]  usbcore: registered new interface driver usbhid
[03:15] <niclas> [    7.518281]  drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver
[03:15] <niclas> [    7.577832]  usb usb5: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[03:15] <Jucato_> ugh why isn't chanserv responding
[03:16] <niclas> [   16.891984]  usbcore: registered new interface driver xpad
[03:16] <Jucato_> !ops
[03:16] <niclas> [   16.891988]  drivers/usb/input/xpad.c: driver for Xbox controllers v0.1.6
[03:16] <niclas> [   17.221220]  usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl818
[03:16] <niclas> :) sorry if I seem stupid, I'm REALLY new to this!
[03:16] <niclas> ok
[03:16] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[03:16] <MrDigimon> cant, the hub is unreachable where it is now lol
[03:16] <MrDigimon> guess i have to reinstall the whole damn thing :D
[03:17] <MrDigimon> its the third time i have to do it lol
[03:17] <_4strO> MrDigimon: if you cant connect to the internet you dont have choice, but remember that if you connect the box to the internet, your problem might be solved ;)
[03:18] <niclas> I think I got kicked out
[03:18] <niclas> ...
[03:18] <MrDigimon> what can i do if i get it to internet?
[03:18] <_4strO> MrDigimon: or you can try with a CD
[03:18] <Ace2016> niclas: go to   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/   then type in your username, go into konsole, run:   dmesg|grep usb && dmesg|grep USB   ,copy the output paste it into the box on the website, then click paste, then copy and paste the url into here,
[03:18] <_4strO> MrDigimon: just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[03:18] <niclas> aha, the url
[03:18] <niclas> sorry!!!
[03:18] <Ace2016> niclas: you got kicked for pasteing that huge thing here
[03:18] <MrDigimon> but see u later guys i reinstall the shit now
[03:19] <niclas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23081
[03:19] <niclas> is that right?
[03:19] <MrDigimon> (even if its booring)
[03:19] <Dodo> !nvidia
[03:19] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:19] <_4strO> MrDigimon: ... windows style :p
[03:19] <MrDigimon> bye
[03:19] <_4strO> alalalalala ....
[03:20] <niclas> I realized that, but I couldn't figure out what else to do with it
[03:20] <Ace2016> niclas: run this:  dmesg|grep usb && dmesg|grep USB && lsusb
[03:20] <Ace2016> then give us a link to the paste
[03:20] <Ace2016> it'll show the usb info and whats connected to it
[03:22] <niclas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23083/
[03:22] <Ace2016> niclas: is your hard disk plugged in?
[03:23] <niclas> the firewire one?
[03:23] <niclas> yes, and turned on, but I can't get to it
[03:23] <Ace2016> was it turned on when the command was run?
[03:23] <niclas> by the way, are you trying to help me with the keyboard or the HD now?
[03:24] <niclas> yes, it has been all day
[03:26] <Ace2016> does ls /dev/sd* show anything? it should show sd0 or sd1
[03:27] <_4strO> Ace2016: not even now with the new kernel ;)
[03:27] <Ace2016> _4strO: new kernel?
[03:27] <niclas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23084/
[03:27] <_4strO> Ace2016: they turn back on hda ...
[03:28] <_4strO> 2.6.20-16
[03:28] <Ace2016> _4strO: so whats new with it? i'm running 2.6.21
[03:29] <_4strO> the new ubuntu official ;)
[03:29] <Ash-Fox> pidgin has a strange configure script: checking for me pot o' gold... no
[03:29] <Ace2016> niclas: what does df show, it should show all the partitions and their mount points, i'm guessing one  isn't mounted
[03:29] <Ace2016> Ash-Fox: lol
[03:29] <Maruko> hi people
[03:29] <niclas> df?
[03:29] <Maruko> anybody can help me?
[03:30] <Ace2016> niclas: yea df
[03:30] <Maruko> I want to install gnome, just the DE not all the programs
[03:30] <Maruko> only the DE
[03:30] <Maruko> how can install it?
[03:30] <niclas> I don't know what df is...
[03:30] <_4strO> niclas: just type : df -h in a console ;)
[03:30] <_4strO> you will see
[03:31] <Ace2016> niclas: df is a command, to run in konsole, output looks something like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23088/
[03:32] <niclas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23087/
[03:33] <Ace2016> _4strO: looks like /dev/sdb1 isn't mouned
[03:33] <niclas> hehe I don't understand a shit of what we've been doing here
[03:33] <niclas> I feel like the stupidest sod there is
[03:34] <_4strO> niclas: the df command is very usefull to know space on your HD
[03:34] <Ace2016> niclas: just comparing what devices have been detected, and the mounted ones
[03:34] <Ace2016> niclas: the reasoning being, if your external disk is detected then it may not be mounted, and if its not mounted its not giong to be used
[03:35] <niclas> ok, but I don't really know what to look for in df
[03:35] <Ace2016> cd /media, sudo mkdir disk, sudo mount /dev/sdb1 disk,
[03:35] <niclas> I see the text, but I don't know what it means
[03:35] <_4strO> niclas: try to unplugged your HD and replug it
[03:36] <niclas> ok
[03:36] <Ace2016> niclas: not looking in df, we're comparing df with the output of ls /dev/sd*
[03:36] <Ace2016> _4strO: oh yea good idea, ls /dev/sd* with the device unplugged and with it plugged will show which one it is
[03:38] <_4strO> niclas: something happend ?
[03:38] <niclas> does ls /dev/sd* show the detected ones and df show the mounted ones?
[03:38] <Ace2016> yup
[03:38] <niclas> the same thing happened as when I just turn it on
[03:39] <waspius> hello...i have a question..i have been told about some exploding windows under kubuntu and i read about it also..it is a kubuntu package or can it be used on other distros as well?
[03:39] <niclas> a window comes up asking me what to do with the new drive
[03:39] <Ace2016> niclas: its detected fine, just click ok, it should open in a window
[03:40] <^RiaN^> _4strO: can i ask something
[03:40] <Ace2016> open in a new window, choose that
[03:40] <niclas> and I always choose "display in new window" or whatever it says in english...running the swedish version myself
[03:40] <_4strO> ^RiaN^: ?
[03:40] <^RiaN^> _4strO: how to open music file from ssh
[03:40] <_4strO> ^RiaN^: ouch :)
[03:40] <niclas> but there is no window, that is my problem
[03:40] <rmd_> are there any desklets in superkaramba worth using?
[03:41] <_4strO> ^RiaN^: open on the remote box ?
[03:41] <Ace2016> niclas: so the window never pops up?
[03:41] <niclas> nope
[03:41] <pc_> cs
[03:41] <pc_> valaki segtene?
[03:41] <_4strO> pc_: speak english plz
[03:41] <Ace2016> niclas: Alt+f2, type media:/ click run, it should open a window and show you the drives, click on the external one
[03:41] <waspius> does anyone know?
[03:42] <pc_> can anyone help me pls?
[03:42] <^RiaN^> _4strO:  what's the command
[03:42] <Ace2016> !ask
[03:42] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:42] <pc_> i installed
[03:42] <pc_> ntfs client
[03:42] <^RiaN^> _4strO:  i've open my ws now usiong ssh
[03:42] <pc_> but it doesnt work on my kubuntu
[03:42] <^RiaN^> _4strO:  i've open my ws now using ssh
[03:42] <_4strO> waspius: you talk about beryl or composite ?
[03:42] <niclas> found it, but a messege of error pops up: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[03:43] <waspius> _4strO: well i am using beryl..i dont know though what is used under kubuntu for doing that
[03:43] <pc_> :S
[03:43] <_4strO> niclas: it's a NTFS hard drive ?
[03:43] <pc_> ?
[03:43] <niclas> yep
[03:43] <pc_> nobody helps me:S
[03:43] <niclas> but that shouldn't be a problem
[03:44] <_4strO> pc_: ^RiaN^ you should try mplayer yoursong
[03:44] <_4strO> oups
[03:44] <niclas> I think, I installed ntfs-3g so that I could read and write to a ntfs HD
[03:44] <pc_> but where can i dl it?
[03:44] <Ace2016> niclas: well i can't help with ntfs sorry, i have to go
[03:44] <Ace2016> bye all
[03:45] <_4strO> pc_: did you install ntfs-config ?
[03:45] <Daisuke_Ido> pc_: probably because you haven't given us any idea of what the problem is
[03:45] <_4strO> bye Ace2016
[03:45] <niclas> ok
[03:45] <^RiaN^> _4strO: i've open my workstation pc and want to play music from my workstation from ssh connection
[03:45] <niclas> thanks anyway!
[03:46] <waspius> _4strO: any ideas?
[03:47] <_4strO> waspius: dont understand your problem, if you talk about 3d effects and all stuff like this, you should search on the web about beryl
[03:47] <_4strO> beryl-manager
[03:47] <titanix88> hendaus_: :)
[03:48] <waspius> _4strO: i am currently using beryl..but i dont seem to have the option of exploding windows etc...which i have only seen under kubuntu
[03:51] <guillermo> hi
[03:52] <guillermo> how do i make kaffeine use usbtitles
[03:52] <guillermo> ?
[03:53] <_4str1> oups
[03:53] <_4str1> ^RiaN^: still there ?
[03:53] <^RiaN^> yes
[03:54] <^RiaN^> u change ur nick
[03:54] <_4str1> ^RiaN^: your music is on your server and you want play it on your workstation ?
[03:54] <ahmed> guys , how to remove kde, without removing its applications ?/
[03:54] <_4str1> ahmed: think it's impossible
[03:55] <Jucato> ahmed: what do you mean? KDE is made up of applications.
[03:56] <_4str1> ^RiaN^: sorry for my nick, internet deconnection
[03:56] <^RiaN^> no prob
[03:56] <_4str1> so am i right with this : your music is on your server and you want play it on your workstation ?
[03:57] <^RiaN^> _4str1: i've an cyber cafe, im using ssh connection to my ws
[03:59] <_4str1> ^RiaN^: did you try mplayer yoursong ?
[03:59] <^RiaN^> _4str1: exsample, im connect to 192.168.0.1 and want to playing music from that ws
[03:59] <^RiaN^> i jus want to surprise them
[03:59] <^RiaN^> :)
[03:59] <^RiaN^> :D
[03:59] <_4str1> oki oki
[04:00] <henrik_s_> hi, my linux is booting and don't pass one thing about LDAP connection, how I ignore that and proceed?
[04:00] <^RiaN^> _4str1: i've try "open" command
[04:00] <^RiaN^> but it doesn't play
[04:00] <_4str1> ^RiaN^: try : mplayer yoursong
[04:00] <^RiaN^> what command should im use
[04:01] <^RiaN^> ok
[04:01] <^RiaN^> i'll try
[04:03] <_4str1> ^RiaN^: i had try, it works fine at home ;)
[04:03] <rmd_> ok
[04:03] <rmd_> i downloaded the ubuntu emerald theme for kde... but how do i install it?  there is no theme file (except for theme.ini)...
[04:04] <_4str1> rmd_: you're using emerald ?
[04:04] <^RiaN^> _4str1: how do i resize my swap partition
[04:04] <_4str1> rmd_: right click on the beryl icon in the systray and select the emerald theme manager
[04:04] <^RiaN^> :)
[04:04] <_4str1> ^RiaN^: did you try mplayer ?
[04:04] <rmd_> oh
[04:05] <^RiaN^> _4str1: what is beryl
[04:05] <rmd_> i wasn't aware that emerald was its own thing
[04:05] <^RiaN^> yes
[04:05] <^RiaN^> it's playing
[04:05] <_4str1> ^RiaN^: i cant advise you about resizing partition, didn't want to break your box ;)
[04:05] <^RiaN^> ok
[04:05] <niclas> anyone that can help me with my keyboard, it stops working after a while, I'm using feisty and an USB Microsoft keyboard
[04:05] <_4str1> and i'm not sure about the manipulation, didn't do it myself
[04:06] <_4str1> ^RiaN^: beryl is a window manager that give you many beautifull effects
[04:07] <_4str1> !beryl | ^RiaN^
[04:07] <ubotu> ^RiaN^: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:07] <^RiaN^> ohh
[04:07] <_4str1> if you try it, you will definitkly be addict
[04:08] <^RiaN^> im only using 256mb of ram
[04:08] <^RiaN^> can i use beryl
[04:09] <_4str1> ^RiaN^: i think it's possible, but your box will became a little slow
[04:10] <_4str1> (sorry for my uggly english)
[04:10] <^RiaN^> my english is not so good
[04:10] <_4str1> niclas: sorry i have no solution for your keyboard
[04:11] <_4str1> ^RiaN^: so you didn't notice anything about my english, fine :)
[04:11] <^RiaN^> :)
[04:12] <^RiaN^> _4str1: how to change zip format to tar.gz
[04:13] <_4str1> dont know if you can do it in one time, you probably have to unzip then tar gz it
[04:13] <_4str1> ^RiaN^: tar --help ;)
[04:14] <JuJuBee> When I go to kcontrol or system settings, I cannot open User Management.  Why? and How do I fix?
[04:15] <_4str1> JuJuBee: what's happend whenn you try ?
[04:15] <^RiaN^> i got error when try to unzip zip file
[04:15] <JuJuBee> When I am using kcontrol, I just get the same thing as when I click on system settings. (THe list of options available).
[04:16] <JuJuBee> When I use system settings app... I get a message about an orphaned module during last upgrade.
[04:16] <_4str1> JuJuBee: sudp apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:16] <JuJuBee> Did upgrade this morning.  Seems that after upgrade, I lose user management.
[04:18] <_4str1> JuJuBee: or just type userconfig in a console
[04:18] <_4str1> kdesu userconfig
[04:20] <JuJuBee> kdesu userconfig returned many errors
[04:21] <bbeck_> I was just wondering if anyone can see the text in the "more" drop down on google using Konqueror 3.5.7?
[04:22] <ubuntu_> hello
[04:23] <MaxDao> right now  installing ubuntu on my PC, decided to chat while waiting
[04:23] <JuJuBee> kdesu errors - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23091/
[04:23] <JuJuBee> *kdesu userconfig
[04:24] <JuJuBee> Any ideas how I can get back the user manager in kcontrol/system settings
[04:26] <Jucato> JuJuBee: try reinstalling the "kde-guidance" package
[04:28] <Kubuntu^user> any active user willing to help me ?
[04:29] <forcerain> Kubuntu^user: what's up?
[04:29] <ubuntu_> !anyone | Kubuntu^user
[04:29] <ubotu> Kubuntu^user: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[04:29] <Kubuntu^user> kubuntu installation hang at 82%
[04:29] <WindowsUninstall> Hi all
[04:29] <forcerain> Kubuntu^user: check the CD
[04:29] <forcerain> use the CD test on the boot menu
[04:29] <Kubuntu^user> checked..no errors
[04:29] <forcerain> what stage does it show?
[04:29] <Kubuntu^user> it hang at 82% "configuring atp"
[04:29] <Kubuntu^user> any ideas
[04:30] <forcerain> and it always does that?
[04:30] <ubuntu_> Kubuntu^user: Do you have a network card plugged in?
[04:30] <WindowsUninstall> I've a question: Can I order about 100 kubuntu CDs or more for a very important event (called PLUTO meeting (last pluto meeting page: http://www.pluto.it/files/meeting2001/english/index.html ))?
[04:30] <Kubuntu^user> ubuntu_: yes....im connected to a router
[04:30] <Kubuntu^user> which is adsl - router - pc
[04:31] <ubuntu_> Kubuntu^user: Plug it out before you start
[04:31] <forcerain> Kubuntu^user: could try turning as many devices off as you can on the BIOS
[04:31] <Kubuntu^user> ubuntu_,forcerain: ok i will
[04:32] <forcerain> actually do what ubuntu_ says.. sounds like he knows what's up here
[04:32] <ompaul> WindowsUninstall, go to shipit.ubuntu.com
[04:32] <forcerain> :)
[04:32] <ubuntu_> WindowsUninstall: Technically yeah :-)
[04:32] <Kubuntu^user> ubuntu_,forcerain: thanks guys, i'll try ur tips :D
[04:32] <ubuntu_> Kubuntu^user: It's trying to reach the server and having some issues. it knows that it's on the network so it keeps trying
[04:33] <Kubuntu^user> ic2
[04:33] <WindowsUninstall> ompaul, Also I need to get a reply in less time as possible, can i send a mail to anyone?
[04:34] <ompaul> WindowsUninstall, that is the place with an email address attached to it if I recall correctly
[04:34] <ompaul> you need to order first
[04:34] <The_Machine> A few questions!  1.)  How to make it so that whatever random programs I had open 10 days ago don't automatically start when I restart X?
[04:35] <ubuntu_> Kubuntu^user: Not sure why that was there. I think it was to download all the patches released since the Cd was printed
[04:36] <JuJuBee> Jucato_ : No good.  Still get error.
[04:36] <JuJuBee> Something about last upgrade and orphaned control module.
[04:37] <JuJuBee> I did recently install the KDE theme manager.  Could that have something to do with it?
[04:41] <dr_willis> Minataku,   You awake?!?!?!
[04:43] <_dac_> Jisao,morning
[04:44] <JuJuBee> Any suggestions ? Last upgrade broke user management.  Won't load due to orphaned control module.
[04:47] <WindowsUninstall> ompaul, I have another important question: does kubuntu/ubuntu CDs cotains only free software?
[04:47] <ompaul> they are totally free to copy and redistribute
[04:47] <linija2> Need help: Trying to mount lvm encrypt usb but it's saying "must specify filesystem type" (-t ext3 /dev/xxx doesn't work)
[04:48] <linija2> any ideas?
[04:48] <WindowsUninstall> ompaul, That means that each thing on the cd respect the 4 foundamental freedom?
[04:48] <WindowsUninstall> *freedoms
[04:49] <The_Machine> How to make it so that whatever random programs I had open 10 days ago don't automatically start when I restart X?
[04:49] <The_Machine> (in KDE)
[04:49] <dr_willis> WindowsUninstall,  never heard of that befor.. :) they follow the GPL guidelines
[04:50] <dr_willis> The_Machine,  in most cases you can close the programs. log out. and kde 'should' save the session.
[04:50] <dr_willis> thers also a save-session menu item some where.
[04:50] <dr_willis> Unless stuff is getting ran from the Autostart dir.
[04:50] <The_Machine> ;)  nothing is in the Autostart dir - and i have made sure all programs are closed when exiting.
[04:50] <The_Machine> :/
[04:50] <ompaul> WindowsUninstall, you should read the website, some of the stuff does not have source
[04:51] <dr_willis> !find startup
[04:51] <ubotu> Found: libstartup-notification0, libstartup-notification0-dev, startup-tasks
[04:51] <dr_willis> thers some kde tool for that as well.. but i forget its name
[04:51] <dr_willis> !find start
[04:51] <ubotu> Found: libstartup-notification0, libstartup-notification0-dev, startup-tasks, system-config-kickstart, upstart (and 12 others)
[04:51] <WindowsUninstall> dr_willis: see it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software#Definition
[04:52] <ompaul> I am now busy
[04:52] <ompaul> :)
[04:53] <dr_willis> Most free software uses a small set of licenses. The most popular of these are:    GPL.
[04:53] <dr_willis> so that site says - GPL software follows your     freedoms.
[04:53] <Subsonic_> hey guys
[04:54] <WindowsUninstall> dr_willis, also MIT, BSD and others
[04:54] <Subsonic_> anyone running linuxmce?
[04:54] <dr_willis> yes..
[04:54] <dr_willis> Subsonic_,  no to that : )
[04:54] <dr_willis> heh
[04:54] <The_Machine> hmm.  so what's startup-tasks
[04:54] <Subsonic_> hehe thanks
[04:54] <dr_willis> what the heck is linuxmce?
[04:54] <Subsonic_> thought I was in then :-)
[04:54] <dr_willis> !info startup-tasks
[04:54] <ubotu> startup-tasks: definitions of essential tasks to run on startup. In component main, is required. Version 0.3.8-1 (feisty), package size 1 kB, installed size 32 kB
[04:54] <WindowsUninstall> dr_willis, I'm asking because I'm not sure about wich softwares are distributed with the CD
[04:54] <Subsonic_> have you heard of ms mce
[04:54] <Subsonic_> ??
[04:55] <dr_willis> the ubuntu/kubuntu site has a list of what all is included.
[04:55] <Subsonic_> linuc media centre edition
[04:55] <Subsonic_> linux media centre edition
[04:55] <dr_willis> Subsonic_,  Thats a scary idea. :) in many ways
[04:55] <dr_willis> Subsonic_,  got a MythTV box - thats close. heh
[04:55] <Subsonic_> tp compete with windows media centre edition
[04:55] <Subsonic_> do you wa me to pm you the url?
[04:56] <dr_willis> Subsonic_,  i dont really need it. :)
[04:56] <dr_willis> WindwsMediaCenter is like -- being cancled i thought.
[04:56] <Subsonic_> it is not my product I am jumt about to install it
[04:56] <Subsonic_> not likely
[04:56] <Subsonic_> they just released a new version in vista
[04:56] <dr_willis> well the actualk "media center os' is being cancled. its all getting merged into vista
[04:56] <dr_willis> no more HP media center  pc's and so on.
[04:57] <dr_willis> now if MS would just eliminate the 10+ variants of vista...
[04:57] <dr_willis> (like that will happen)
[04:57] <melina> greetings. How can I localize (greek) my apps?
[04:58] <melina> I added Greek as the default in the control center, but only firefox switched to greek
[04:58] <thomax__>  does anyone know a console app to read mp3 headers?
[04:59] <WindowsUninstall> ompaul, Does stallman has said anything about kubuntu? I'm doing this questions because stallman is coming in our city and for the event we wan't to distribute CDs but we can't do distribute cd's that aren't 100% free. :) Sorry If I'm too verbose
[04:59] <zhangkai> How can i drag the windows from one destop to anther desktop?
[05:00] <dr_willis> thomax__,  provberly several dozen of them out. check the repos yet?
[05:00] <dr_willis> !find mp3
[05:00] <ubotu> Found: libgmp3-dev, libgmp3-doc, libgmp3c2, beep-media-player, checkmp3 (and 41 others)
[05:00] <dr_willis> !info checkmp3
[05:00] <ubotu> checkmp3: Identify MP3s that do not follow the MP3 format. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.98-6 (feisty), package size 20 kB, installed size 116 kB
[05:00] <ompaul> WindowsUninstall pm
[05:00] <ompaul> WindowsUninstall pm me
[05:00] <|lostbyte|> thomax__, maybe easytag
[05:00] <WindowsUninstall> ompaul, OK
[05:01] <dr_willis> !info easytag
[05:01] <ubotu> easytag: viewing, editing and writing ID3 tags. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 788 kB, installed size 2552 kB
[05:01] <thomax__> tags != headers
[05:01] <dr_willis> Guess its off to google then. or fire up the package manager and start searching.
[05:02] <thomax__> yeah
[05:02] <thomax__> thanx for the help :)
[05:02] <dr_willis> since i imagine no one in here knows what you mean by 'headers'
[05:02] <dr_willis> My  Word Processing Docs have a header and Footer. :)
[05:03] <thomax__> dr_willis: very funny
[05:04] <hakaisou> pardon the interruption, but is there linux software that can record video off my desktop?
[05:05] <dr_willis> hakaisou,  you mean make a video of your desktop - like ot make a tutoruial video?
[05:05] <hakaisou> more like to make a video file out of a flash loop so i can youtube it
[05:05] <thomax__> hakaisou: recordmydesktop
[05:06] <thomax__> !find recordmydesktop
[05:06] <ubotu> Found: gtk-recordmydesktop, recordmydesktop
[05:06] <thomax__> !info recordmydesktop
[05:06] <ubotu> recordmydesktop: Captures audio-video data of a linux desktop session. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-1 (feisty), package size 40 kB, installed size 128 kB
[05:06] <thomax__> !info recordmydesktop | hakaisou
[05:06] <ubotu> hakaisou: please see above
[05:07] <thomax__> hakaisou: you can specify an area you want to record on you desktop with x,y cordinats
[05:07] <_4strO> hakaisou: if you're using beryl you can also see seom
[05:08] <dr_willis> i thought Youtube used flash videos?
[05:10] <z3x> can anyone help me? I just upgraded my laptop from edgy to feisty and now my graphics are utterly screwed.  lspci shows the adapter as [SiS} 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIEE VGA Display Adapter, and won't go out of a resolution larger than 640x480, and glxinfo fails because of "BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation).  my laptop is an Averatec 3500c tabletpc
[05:12] <z3x> oh and in reality my integrated card is a SiS m741
[05:12] <spawn57> z3x in console do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, tehre' will be an option there for choosing resolutions
[05:14] <Jucato> JuJuBee: reinstalling kde-guidance didn't work?
[05:14] <JuJuBee> no.
[05:14] <Jucato> um.. not sure what do to next...
[05:15] <paolo> hi. how can i redirect to a BINARY file stdout of a shell? thnks
[05:15] <AFaith> hello people!
[05:15] <AFaith> hello my friends from #kubuntu
[05:16] <AFaith> hello Admiral_Chicago!
[05:16] <spawn57> hey hey
[05:16] <AFaith> i'm having a little trouble with swat :)
[05:16] <spawn57> paolo: ...using > ?
[05:16] <spawn57> ohh samba stuff
[05:16] <AFaith> yep :P
[05:16] <Jucato> JuJuBee: how about the other kde-guidance stuff? arfe they working? displayconfig, mountconfig, serviceconfig ?
[05:16] <paolo> spawn57: i want a binary file
[05:16] <paolo> not a text file
[05:16] <Jucato> JuJuBee: how about running userconfig w/o kdesu?
[05:16] <AFaith> i'm following this tutorial to enable samba http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/SWAT.html
[05:17] <AFaith> oh ... hello Jucato! i've almost forgot you :P
[05:17] <paolo> i see
[05:18] <AFaith> and if i want to acces : localhost:901 it simply shows me that firefox isn't able to establish a connection
[05:18] <AFaith> can you tell me what should i do ?
[05:18] <JuJuBee> I tried a few other of kde-guidance apps and they seem to work fine.  I will try w/o kdesu...
[05:18] <Jucato> so it's only userconfig that doesn't work...hm... :(
[05:18] <JuJuBee> No go...
[05:18] <JuJuBee> Bunch of errors involving kde-guidance...
[05:18] <spawn57> AFaith: what's the trouble?
[05:18] <Jucato> JuJuBee: displayconfig works though?
[05:18] <Jucato> hm...
[05:18] <_4strO> JuJuBee: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade offer you to update something ?
[05:18] <Jucato> heh hi AFaith!
[05:19] <spawn57> lemme try it out
[05:19] <spawn57> how did you install it?
[05:19] <JuJuBee> jucato_ yep
[05:19] <JuJuBee> _4str0 : nope
[05:19] <AFaith> spawn57: i've already said .. i can't make swat working
[05:19] <AFaith> i'm following this tutorial : http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/SWAT.html
[05:19] <spawn57> AFaith: I hope you used apt-get ?
[05:20] <Jucato> JuJuBee: ok, try putting the errors (don't include the X Errors: BadDevice) in a pastebin, and dare to ask in #kubuntu-devel :(
[05:20] <z3x> spawn57:: thx that worked
[05:20] <AFaith> of course
[05:20] <AFaith> i have swat installed :)
[05:20] <JuJuBee> Jucato_ : OK, I will, thanks...
[05:22] <spawn57> z3x: np
[05:22] <spawn57> AFaith: got inetd/xinetd configured?
[05:23] <AFaith> yep!
[05:23] <AFaith> spawn57: root@pc1:/home/udrescu# cat /etc/inetd.conf
[05:23] <AFaith> ftp     stream  tcp     nowait  root    /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/proftpd
[05:23] <AFaith> swat            stream  tcp     nowait.400      root    /usr/sbin/tcpd  /usr/sbin/swat
[05:23] <AFaith> root@pc1:/home/udrescu#
[05:23] <spawn57> why do people always paste things in hwere whent I talk to them...you're the first one that didn't paste 200 lines
[05:24] <AFaith> :)) lol
[05:24] <AFaith> i usually use pastebin
[05:24] <AFaith> but now ... i'm a bit in a hurry
[05:25] <spawn57> haha thank god for that
[05:25] <spawn57> you restarted inetd after setting the configs right?
[05:26] <AFaith> spawn57: i didn't have to do that, because the settings were already there :)
[05:27] <spawn57> hmm yeah..
[05:27] <spawn57> try restarting it, invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
[05:28] <spawn57> i just did and it works for me ..using firefox
[05:28] <d0uglas> what's the procedure to convert an xvid into a conventional dvd image to burn?
[05:29] <_6StringKng_> uh, I use convertxtodvd, works great
[05:29] <_6StringKng_> http://www.vso-software.fr/products/convert_x_to_dvd/
[05:29] <d0uglas> thanks man
[05:29] <AFaith> spawn57: i've tryed invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart but it keeps telling me that he can't find openbsd-inetd ... i'm wondering if you've got it right :-?
[05:30] <_6StringKng_> it converts about any format too
[05:30] <spawn57> oh
[05:30] <spawn57> lemme check hehe
[05:30] <_6StringKng_> and they look great on a tv, I downloaded all the episdoes of smallville I missed, hehe
[05:30] <AFaith> :P
[05:30] <spawn57> you could do /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart        ..use tab to autocomplete the file name..
[05:31] <spawn57>  invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd start is what I typed
[05:31] <d0uglas> _6StringKng_: ummm anything on linux for this?
[05:31] <d0uglas> like some k3b plugin?
[05:31] <AFaith> if you don't belive me, here is the paste of the problem : sudo: /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd: command not found
[05:31] <d0uglas> or ffmpeg maybe?
[05:31] <spawn57> d0uglas: transcould?
[05:31] <spawn57> transcode even
[05:31] <spawn57> AFaith: do you have it installed ?????
[05:31] <spawn57> do dpkg -l | grep openbsd ..
[05:31] <spawn57> otherwise install it
[05:32] <AFaith> big ooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuppppppppsssss!!!! :">
[05:32] <spawn57> hahahaha
[05:33] <AFaith> apt-get install openbsd or apt-get install inetd ?
[05:33] <_6StringKng_> douglas, no clue about that
[05:33] <spawn57> openbsd-inetd
[05:33] <AFaith> thanks
[05:35] <AFaith> spawn57: big thanks! now, it works :P
[05:36] <spawn57> AFaith: np
[05:36] <_6StringKng_> douglas, you still in here?
[05:39] <d0uglas> spawn57: yikes big man page... can i get transcode to crank out a bin/cue?
[05:40] <spawn57> haha use konqueror to skim through it, or google for mor help on it.  I dunno much about transcode myself
[05:41] <spawn57> man:/transcode should bring it up in konquorer
[05:42] <d0uglas> _6StringKng_: yeah man right here
[05:43] <_6StringKng_> k, you get what I sent you in pm?
[05:44] <_6StringKng_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=323825
[05:44] <d0uglas> got it
[05:44] <d0uglas> thanks
[05:46] <_6StringKng_> you have aim or anything?
[05:47] <_6StringKng_> brb
[05:57] <nagyv> hello! is here any lm_sensors expert? I just ran sensors-detect, and than added the 3 modules it recommended to add, but sensors is still complaining about not having any sensor module
[05:59] <yuriy> my lock screen seems to be broken
[06:00] <phpcode> what program is easy to burn ios as a boot cd?
[06:00] <yuriy> nagyv: did you add the modules to be added at start up or did you load them with modprobe or both?
[06:00] <angasule> anyone else having trouble with gmail and konqueror?
[06:00] <phpcode> ..easy to use*
[06:00] <Jucato> phpcode: K3b
[06:01] <yuriy> i can log into the computer, but when i lock the screen from either kde or gnome, it says incorrect password when i try to unlock
[06:01] <Pollywog> is  it safe to remove the dhcp3-client from Feisty?  I think it had its own ideas about what my IP address should be and it ignored the interfaces file and hosts file
[06:01] <Jucato> yuriy: how is it broken?
[06:01] <yuriy> angasule: it's broken when you identify as mozilla. there's a patch floating around. for now you can change it to identify as konqueror or safari
[06:01] <phpcode> Jucato: k, thx :-)
[06:02] <yuriy> Jucato: see last msg^
[06:02] <Pollywog> I don't want to go back to Debian but kubuntu is making some tasks harder for long-time Linux users
[06:02] <dwidmann> !lm-sensors | nagyv
[06:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lm-sensors - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:02] <angasule> yuriy: ah, thanks, I wouldn't have thought the default install would have changed the id
[06:02] <Pollywog> uobtu is a bot
[06:02] <nagyv> I have already read after it, but there is still a problem
[06:02] <yuriy> angasule: well normally it works better as mozilla so it was changed by default
[06:02] <dwidmann> !sensors
[06:03] <Jucato> angasule: I think they included the patch in the KDE 3.5.7 packages
[06:03] <dwidmann> There we go. I do believe the key is that you have to runs some sort of script before you run sensors-detect
[06:03] <Jucato> yuriy: hm... sounds familiar but I can't seem to recall the solution to that... something with kcheckpass I think
[06:03] <angasule> funny, I don't see the option of identifying as 'konqueror' :(
[06:04] <yuriy> Jucato: you think that would affect gnome too?
[06:04] <nagyv> I will set the powermanager CPU for powerwave, hope this way I will be able to avoid shutdowns :(
[06:04] <angasule> working \o/ thanks a bunch
[06:04] <Jucato> angasule: where?
[06:04] <yuriy> Jucato: there isn't a package called kcheckpass
[06:04] <roman_> hi
[06:05] <angasule> Jucato: nevermind, it worked :)
[06:05] <Jucato> yuriy: oh GNOME, right... sorry then :(
[06:05] <yuriy> Jucato: well it's both
[06:05] <Jucato> heh ok
[06:07] <cyt> hi all, does anyone know how to let vim show an ident line, like this http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/commun/screenshots/scrsh_bookmark.gif (The lines under for and if)
[06:07] <n8k99> Jucato: do you use konversation?
[06:08] <Jucato> n8k99: yep
[06:08] <n8k99> do you get it to automatically sign into the NickServ?
[06:08] <Jucato> yep
[06:09] <n8k99> hmm... what am i messing up?
[06:09] <Jucato> F8 -> Auto Identify fields?
[06:09] <n8k99> service is irc.freenode.net? or freenode.net
[06:10] <Jucato> service is NickServ
[06:10] <n8k99> oh duh!
[06:10] <_6StringKng_> what was that mp3 plugin called for K3b?
[06:11] <Jucato> n8k99: this is in the Identities dialog box (F8)
[06:11] <n8k99> lawl- thanx Jucato
[06:11] <n8k99> ja, dat is where i goofed!
[06:11] <Jucato> _6StringKng_: libk3b2-mp3 I think
[06:12] <llutz> _6StringKng_: this tells you: apt-cache search k3b mp3
[06:13] <_6StringKng_> k, thanks
[06:14] <morobo> does anybody have an idea why my JACK server doesn't start, saying: jackd: symbol lookup error: jackd: undefined symbol: _jack_get_microseconds ?  I can't find anything like that on the web.
[06:17] <_6StringKng_> man, I don't knwo what I would do without this place, lol
[06:17] <_6StringKng_> know*
[06:17] <_6StringKng_> so many helpful people
[06:19] <yuriy> Jucato: i found 2 threads about the problem and the solution so far seems to be to set the password using kuser..
[06:21] <K1765> How do I run Restricted Devices Manager
[06:23] <K1765> How do I run Restricted Devices Manager? anyone know.. ?? it says System -> Administration -> Restricted Devices Manager but.. there isnt a system -> admin
[06:23] <morobo> what do you mean by restricted devices?
[06:24] <K1765> For installing drivers.. thats where it says to go
[06:24] <K1765> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#head-7f830fe17ae6da7c546decbb10c32ff61471258e
[06:24] <LjL> yes, drivers, not devices
[06:24] <LjL> however, i don't think that's available in Kubuntu but only in Ubuntu
[06:25] <LjL> afraid you'll have to install it manually by following the other instructions
[06:25] <LjL> i.e. "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" and then "sudo nvidia-xconfig" or whatever
[06:26] <morobo> K1765: use synaptic or adept package manager and go to the repository settings. there you can activate the restricted repositories
[06:26] <K1765> I've done that.. but is there anything else?? Because the game is still choppy..
[06:36] <decapitated> Hi, all
[06:37] <K1765> If anyone is an expert on how to install nvidia drivers on kubuntu plz private message me..
[06:38] <easytiger> !envy
[06:38] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[06:38] <decapitated> Anybody here?
[06:38] <DJServers> yo yo yo
[06:38] <DJServers> ehm...
[06:39] <DJServers> were is the file /.wine/drive_c/         ? someone nows?
[06:39] <llutz> DJServers: it's a directory and should be in your home-dir
[06:39] <LjL> DJServers: that looks like a directory, not a file, and with the syntax you used, it is just in /.wine/drive_c/, as that's an absolute pathname.
[06:39] <LjL> you probably mean ~/.wine/drive_c/ however
[06:40] <decapitated> I think it is in the etc folder
[06:40] <LjL> which is in your home directory
[06:40] <LjL> decapitated: hardly
[06:40] <DJServers> no i mean where is that dictonery?
[06:40] <LjL>  /home/yourusername/.wine/drive_c/
[06:40] <llutz> .wine is a hidden folder
[06:40] <K1765> how do you view all hidden folders?
[06:40] <LjL> ls -a
[06:40] <DJServers> i i've got it
[06:41] <decapitated> Does anybody here kno how to upgrade from Dapper (6.06) to Feisty (7.04)??
[06:41] <LjL> !upgrade
[06:41] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[06:41] <decapitated> ok
[06:41] <decapitated> thanks
[06:43] <Jucato> decapitated: you will have to upgrade to Edgy first
[06:43] <decapitated> I just found out :(
[06:43] <mharrison> can anyone help me with a wireless issue please?
[06:43] <decapitated> Damn
[06:44] <mharrison> can anyone help with a wireless issue please?
[06:44] <LjL> !ask
[06:44] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:44] <mharrison> ok
[06:45] <mharrison> I'm funning a wireless network with WPA-PSK(TKIP) and Kubuntu with Gnome
[06:45] <mharrison> I can't connect using WPA
[06:45] <mharrison> I tried in KDE, but I got stuck at 28%
[06:50] <K1765> mharrison: sometimes no1 answers.. lol
[06:50] <mharrison> it's ok, I'm able to run with wires for now, just I'm moving house and there are no inbuilt wires there
[06:50] <_4strO> lol
[06:51] <_4strO> it's because i have no response to give :p
[06:51] <K1765> me either.. lol
[06:51] <mharrison> wireless has always seemed to be a headache for me, especially using linux
[06:51] <mharrison> suse was the worst
[06:51] <webito> what is better kubuntu or ubuntu?
[06:52] <K1765> kubuntu.. most likely?
[06:52] <mharrison> both the same really, kubuntu has kde though
[06:52] <webito> and ubuntu has the gnome?
[06:52] <jacques> kubuntu seems better
[06:52] <mharrison> yeah
[06:52] <epimeth> hehe.... "the gnome"
[06:52] <mharrison> kubuntu is my preference
[06:53] <mharrison> the gnome...
[06:53] <mharrison> that's a floyd song haha
[06:53] <jacques> 4str0!
[06:53] <webito> most of the gui programs are programmed for gnome or for kde?
[06:53] <epimeth> jacques: you forgot the underscore....
[06:53] <jacques> can you tell me about firewire
[06:53] <jacques> ok sorry
[06:53] <epimeth> webito: really, its QT vs GTK
[06:53] <K1765> Anyone here know something about installing nvidia drivers.. message me plz..
[06:53] <mharrison> you can use  KDE and GNOME apps in either
[06:53] <mharrison> I do
[06:54] <epimeth> K1765: I do.... whats the problem?
[06:54] <decapitated> Does any of you have Debian?
[06:54] <MrDigimon> how do i get the TSL pack to work? aMSN doesnt find it...
[06:54] <epimeth> decapitated: guilty
[06:54] <decapitated> What?
[06:54] <epimeth> I have debian...
[06:54] <K1765> well.. epimeth
[06:54] <decapitated> Is debian good?
[06:55] <epimeth> decapitated: that depends on your definition of "good"
[06:55] <decapitated> Better than Kubuntu maybe
[06:55] <LjL> !better
[06:55] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[06:55] <MrDigimon> how do i install the TSL pack or at least get it to work?
[06:55] <decapitated> I'm thinking about buying it
[06:55] <mharrison> thing with the ubuntus is they are best if you like comunity support
[06:55] <K1765> I did, sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run, and.. it comes up saying, Your running an X server, please exit X before installing
[06:56] <mharrison> K1765
[06:56] <mharrison> you need to swith to run level 3
[06:56] <epimeth> decapitated: buying?
[06:56] <mirax> Hey, I'm trying to help a friend with setting up kubuntu and I was wondering if I could get some help on two little issues.  The first she uses msn messanger, and wants something similiar to it.  The closer to it it is, the better.  I've tried aMSN and she seems okay with it, but I know she'd be happier with something even closer to MSN Messanger.  The other question I have is there anyway to get the thumbnail preview of pictures in folders like there is in
[06:56] <mirax> Windows XP?
[06:56] <mharrison> mirax
[06:56] <mharrison> you can use kopete
[06:56] <K1765> What do you mean mharrison
[06:57] <mirax> ok, what about the thumbnails for folders?
[06:57] <mharrison> k1765, you need to go to the nvidia site, all is explained in 100% detail
[06:58] <mharrison> or you could just install it from the add/remove prompt
[06:58] <mharrison> *not prompt, dialogue
[06:58] <K1765> What would I be looking for in the add/remove dialogue
[07:00] <epimeth> K1765: you have to shutdown X and install it from the command line
[07:00] <K1765> lol how do I shutdown X =)
[07:01] <epimeth> are you currently using the same computer that you want to install the drivers on?
[07:01] <K1765> yeah >.>
 you can use kopete :)))
[07:01] <epimeth> decapitated: you still here?
[07:01] <decapitated> Yes
 good )))
[07:02] <epimeth> decapitated: so first of all, "better" is a very relative term... what do you mean by that.  second, what the hell do you mean "buying"????
[07:02] <epimeth> K1765: so listen very carefully... in fact, you should probably write this down
[07:02] <epimeth> K1765: the first step is to log out of X by clicking K-> Log out
[07:03] <epimeth> K1765: then you hit alt+ctrl+f1
[07:03] <Rictoo|SLP> How do I see my mount points?
[07:03] <Rictoo|SLP> What's the file?
[07:03] <epimeth> Rictoo: /etc/fstab
[07:03] <Rictoo> thanks
[07:03] <K1765> ok epimeth
[07:03] <Rictoo> Actually, I'm confused
[07:03] <epimeth> K1765: you can do that now... hitting lt+ctrl_f7 will get you back into the x terminal
[07:03] <Rictoo> I'm looking at this guide-type thing, and it says:
[07:04] <Rictoo> #!Change /dev/sda to Your harddisk
[07:04] <epimeth> K1765: don't log out!
[07:04] <Rictoo> well,/dev/sda is NOT my main HDD
[07:04] <Rictoo> So how do I find out where it is?
[07:04] <epimeth> K1765: just hit alt+ctrl+f1, then alt+ctrl+f7
[07:04] <sivaji> how to mount a partition at boot time
[07:04] <K1765> ok
[07:04] <K1765> got it epimeth, anything else
[07:04] <epimeth> Rictoo: you should know where you installed to :-)
[07:05] <Rictoo> ...
[07:05] <epimeth> K1765: yes, a bit more :-)
[07:05] <K1765> install it there?
[07:05] <serghei> hi
[07:05] <Rictoo> I forgot O.O
[07:05] <K1765> okk=p
[07:05] <epimeth> K1765: you saw the login prompt?
[07:05] <Rictoo> epimeth: Anyway to find out now though?
[07:05] <rafal> hi ;] 
[07:05] <K1765> yes
[07:05] <epimeth> Rictoo: then hold on a sec... I'll be with you
[07:05] <serghei> i am new in Linux world, want to install firefox :)
[07:06] <creadorcreativo> serghei: sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:06] <epimeth> K1765: after you log out of x, you can still get to that terminal.  you log into there
[07:06] <Quinn_Storm> hey guys, quick question (finally back to kde!), I'm wondering, is there any way to make kde-guidance-powermanager do something other than "Ask" on the powerbutton event?  I know I could hack it in /etc/acpi.d but I am hoping there is a nice solution like gnome-power-manager has
[07:06] <Quinn_Storm> (I want the power button to be a sleep button, if it matters)
[07:06] <epimeth> K1765: then you type in the following (no '$') $sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[07:06] <ahmed> guys how to remove kde without removing its applications ??
[07:07] <K1765> epimeth: ok
[07:07] <epimeth> K1765: this will shut down x and kdm completely
[07:07] <aseigo> ahmed: "remove kde".. you mean kdesktop/kicker/kwin?
[07:07] <epimeth> K1765: then you can run the script...
[07:08] <K1765> ok.. thanks.. im going to try it lol
[07:08] <epimeth> K1765: bit wait
[07:08] <K1765> ok
[07:08] <epimeth> K1765: first:
[07:08] <ahmed_> uys how to remove kde without removing its applications ??
[07:08] <epimeth> K1765: backup your xorg.conf
[07:08] <epimeth> if the nvidia script doesn't work you replace xorg.conf with your backed up file so you can get back into X
[07:08] <K1765> wheres that at to backup.. I cant remember haha
[07:09] <epimeth>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:09] <ahmed_> guys how to remove kde without removing its applications ??
[07:09] <rafal> someone speak in polish here ?:>
[07:09] <epimeth> ahmed_:  aseigo asked you a question.....
[07:10] <ahmed_> didnt see it
[07:10] <ahmed_> was dc
[07:10] <K1765> ok epimeth, here i go
[07:10] <ahmed_> aseigo , sry wat were u sayin ?
[07:10] <epimeth> good luck!
[07:10] <aseigo> ahmed: "remove kde".. you mean kdesktop/kicker/kwin?
[07:10] <epimeth> Rictoo: oooookay
[07:10] <epimeth> Rictoo: where were we?
[07:10] <Rictoo> lool
[07:10] <Rictoo> well
[07:10] <epimeth> Rictoo: and what, exactly, are you trying to do?
[07:10] <Rictoo> I need to know where my main hdd is (/)
[07:11] <Rictoo> it's not /dev/sda
[07:11] <epimeth> Rictoo: $mount
[07:11] <epimeth> erm
[07:11] <ahmed_> aseigo,, remove everything related to kde except its applications
[07:11] <Rictoo> rictoo@rictoo-desktop:~/TEMP/53736-BuildAMon1.1.2/BuildAMon$ echo $mount
[07:11] <ahmed_> including kdesktop, the kde session from login
[07:11] <ahmed_> and so on
[07:11] <Rictoo> nothing :|
[07:11] <epimeth> Rictoo: $mount | grep 'on / type'
[07:12] <Rictoo> I get nothing
[07:12] <Rictoo> ..
[07:12] <epimeth> hrm... pastebin $mount for me?
[07:12] <lupul> hy there. does anyone know a program to record and take pictures from a webcam?
[07:12] <aseigo> ahmed_: so you want to remove some of the kdebase- packages probably. you're going to save probably all of a dozen MB =)
[07:12] <Rictoo> nothing from that either
[07:12] <epimeth> ???
[07:12] <epimeth> what is it you are typing, man???
[07:12] <aseigo> ahmed_: and they don't have any overhead when not being run.. so i'm not sure if you're time invested will be worth the return
[07:13] <yknott> lupul: webcam
[07:13] <Rictoo> rictoo@rictoo-desktop:~/TEMP/53736-BuildAMon1.1.2/BuildAMon$ $mount
[07:13] <Rictoo> rictoo@rictoo-desktop:~/TEMP/53736-BuildAMon1.1.2/BuildAMon$
[07:13] <Rictoo> :D
[07:13] <epimeth> Rictoo: please note what you pasted.... do you see the double $?
[07:13] <Rictoo> Ahh.
[07:13] <epimeth> Rictoo: the $ just means "do it in a terminal"
[07:13] <epimeth> Rictoo: :-)
[07:14] <lupul> yhanks yknott
[07:14] <ahmed_> aseigo am a linux noob,, wat exactly should i do
[07:14] <aseigo> ahmed_: i'd suggest "nothing"
[07:14] <Rictoo> rictoo@rictoo-desktop:~/TEMP/53736-BuildAMon1.1.2/BuildAMon$ mount | grep 'on / type'
[07:14] <Rictoo> IT WORKS
[07:14] <Rictoo> OMGOMGOGM <3
[07:14] <aseigo> ahmed_: you'll run the risk of breaking things you don't mean to for very little in return.
[07:14] <Rictoo> haha
[07:14] <epimeth> ahmed_: why do you want to remove kde?
[07:14] <epimeth> Rictoo: lol
[07:14] <epimeth> Rictoo: so where does it say root is mounted to?
[07:14] <aseigo> ahmed_: and by "very little" i mean "pretty much nothing"
[07:15] <ahmed_> why do i want to remove kde.. kinda cleaning undeeded stuff
[07:15] <coreymon77> ahmed_: removing kde entirely is a bit more than just cleaning uneeded stuff
[07:16] <K1765> epimeth: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run is in /home/michael .. so i did sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run , but it doesnt work.. says like cannot find.. what would i do when im in the command line to make that run?
[07:16] <yknott> K1765: you may try sh ./NVIDIA...
[07:16] <epimeth> ahmed_: there's no point... you will "clean" a very little bit and run the risk of breaking a *lot* of stuff. we strongly suggest you not do that if you want to keep the programs
[07:16] <K1765> ok will do, thanks
[07:17] <coreymon77> ahmed_: most programs will not work without a desktop enviroonment
[07:17] <yknott> ahmed_: what about kde do you wish to remove?
[07:17] <epimeth> K1765: not sudo sh NV....   just sudo NV.....
[07:17] <nagyv> !laptops
[07:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about laptops - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:18] <epimeth> yknott: he needs root privs to run it...
[07:18] <yknott> coreymon77: perhaps he wishes to use xfce or so but still use amarok and the like
[07:18] <epimeth> yknott: oh well :-)
[07:18] <epimeth> yknott: he'll be back....
[07:18] <nagyv> is there a good resource to decide which laptops are kubuntu-compatible?
[07:18] <yknott> epimeth: yes understood, but the message he mentioned was that it could not be found
[07:18] <coreymon77> nagyv: what do you mean by kubuntu-compatible, most will be
[07:18] <Quinn_Storm> btb
[07:18] <epimeth> nagyv: yes... lemme check
[07:18] <Quinn_Storm> err
[07:18] <Quinn_Storm> brb
[07:19] <yknott> epimeth: besides, he typed that he did "sudo sh NVIDIA..."
[07:19] <coreymon77> cant you install kubuntu on pretty much all laptops?
[07:19] <yknott> coreymon77: i thought so
[07:19] <epimeth> nagyv: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
[07:19] <nagyv> coreymon77: I would like a "database" that I can search, etc. now I have an asus, the two main problems are ATi and sensors
[07:20] <nagyv> I would like to avoid similar (small) problems in the future
[07:20] <alusiq> shit
[07:20] <epimeth> Rictoo: so?  everything okay?
[07:20] <coreymon77> nagyv: oh, so you mean which ones have hardware that will work easily
[07:20] <nagyv> coreymon77: yes
[07:20] <coreymon77> nagyv: when it comes to laptops, i believe you will always have a problem or two
[07:21] <coreymon77> nagyv: mostly because of the fact that you cant change your hardware
[07:21] <K1765> epimeth: it says no libc header files installed
[07:21] <nagyv> coreymon77: given that I am travelling a lot I need a laptop, and I need my Linux too :)
[07:21] <epimeth> nagyv: yea... I've got a laptop which is *similar*, but not identical to, one of the tested ones... my sound didn't work and my "increase brightness" hotkey didn't work :-(
[07:21] <arun> anyone here use picasa for linux?
[07:22] <coreymon77> nagyv: i have switched out alot of my hardware on my desktop to make it compatible
[07:22] <yknott> arun: i have ,yeah
[07:22] <epimeth> K1765: brb
[07:22] <nagyv> epimeth: sounds great!
[07:22] <coreymon77> nagyv: and also, dont expect all of the special keys on t\a laptop to necessarily work in linux
[07:22] <arun> yknott: it seems to work fine for me, but when i try to run a slideshow, it doesn't show the images full screen, even though i have that option enabled
[07:23] <sivaji> how to mount a ntfs or fat partition at boot time
[07:23] <yknott> nagyv: i would not expect all of them to work out of the box, though there may be no reason why you could not bind them as you saw fit
[07:23] <coreymon77> nagyv: such as the special volume/brightness slider buttons and the like
[07:23] <coreymon77> nagyv: although for laptops, do not expect everything to work out of the box
[07:23] <lupul> is there any software for taking pictures and recording with a webcam? and it should have GUI
[07:24] <yknott> arun: it does the same for me
[07:24] <nagyv> coreymon77: it does not have to work out of the box, but for example ATi is clearly out of question
[07:24] <yknott> lupul: something like vlc could do that xawtv
[07:24] <arun> yknott: know any solution for it?
[07:25] <coreymon77> nagyv: true, so for example, you would want a laptop with a Nvidia card
[07:25] <coreymon77> anyways
[07:25] <coreymon77> i gtg
[07:25] <lupul> ok thanks
[07:25] <yknott> arun: thus far i do not
[07:25] <niclas> anyone know how to get gmail-notify to autostart?
[07:25] <arun> also, i've been thinking about buying a new laptop.. been wondering if i should get a macbook, or get a laptop pc and run windows/kubuntu dual boot (like i am now)
[07:25] <nagyv> coreymon77: I have heard that Nvidia is better, but is it good (or just better than ATi)?
[07:25] <niclas> kinda loses it's meaning if I have to start it everytime I turn on my computer
[07:26] <yknott> nagyv: nvidia better supports linux drivers, it seems
[07:26] <nagyv> niclas: probably you should put a small script under ~/.kde/Autostart
[07:26] <yknott> nagyv: though amd/ati has recently commited to improving the fglrx driver
[07:26] <niclas> how do I do that, I'm really new at this
[07:26] <nagyv> yknott: I know this, but are there differences between nvidia cards support on linux?
[07:27] <yknott> nagyv: well i suppose you could view what is covered/supported by the nvidia-glx driver
[07:27] <K1765> arun: never used a mac, got i'd duel boot vista/kubuntu if I were you..
[07:27] <nagyv> niclas: 1. make a new file, 2. copy the first line of whatever script that ends on .sh into this file, 3. write the path to the gmail-notifier into the file, 4. Change it to become executable. The 1-3 can be done in Kate, 4 in Konqueror after Right click and Properties.
[07:28] <Rictoo> guys
[07:28] <Rictoo> I want to be able to run a program without being sudo:
[07:28] <arun> K1765: i really don't like vista
[07:28] <Rictoo> Smartctl open device: /dev/hda2 failed: Permission denied
[07:28] <Rictoo> so I edited /etc/sudoers to let me
[07:28] <Rictoo> but I still can't
[07:28] <yknott> arun: so request windowsxp; you have through the end of the calendar year
[07:28] <LjL> Rictoo, eh? /etc/sudoers controls what you can do when you *are* using sudo
[07:28] <flake> Rictoo - you mean from the gui ?
[07:28] <Rictoo> this is what I put in /etc/sudoers: rictoo ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/smartctl
[07:28] <nagyv> yknott: not a bad idea, but there are also some other things to look at, this is why I was asking if anyone knows about a good and well done database
[07:28] <LjL> it cannot control what you do when you *aren't* using it
[07:29] <Rictoo> flake: what?
[07:29] <arun> so you dont recommend a mac?
[07:29] <Rictoo> LjL: Then how can I make it let me?
[07:29] <arun> i can run kubuntu on it as well
[07:29] <LjL> Rictoo: you can't.
[07:29] <Rictoo> because the guise I'm using says this:
[07:29] <Rictoo> guide*
[07:29] <Rictoo> ########To run as user, smartctl requires the following inserted into /etc/sudoers file
[07:29] <flake> what do you want to run
[07:29] <yknott> nagyv: i think someone pasted one in the channel - [12:19]  <epimeth> nagyv: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
[07:29] <Rictoo> ########your_user_name ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/smartctl
[07:29] <Rictoo> I did that, but I still need to run it as sudo
[07:29] <LjL> Rictoo: yes, you do, but no password will be asked. that's what the guide meant.
[07:30] <Rictoo> ohhhhhhhh
[07:30] <Rictoo> Ok, thanks <3
[07:30] <niclas>  is it ok if you give me some more detailed descriptions?
[07:30] <K1765> Anyone know where I can get Libc header files?
[07:30] <niclas> I've just opened kate and don't know what to do
[07:30] <LjL> Rictoo: it's not necessarily a good idea, either. with smartctl you can do some potentially nasty things, like making the drive execute long, invasive self-tests
[07:30] <LjL> you don't normally want "any" user to be able to do that.
[07:30] <Rictoo> but my system monitor requires it :\
[07:31] <nagyv> yknott: thx, but I don't call this a database, they are just tables. (I could also use linux-laptop.net )
[07:31] <flake> since the kernel upgrade, my drives went from sda1...sdb5 etc to hda1..hdb5...    eg.. from being recognized as SCSI (and they aren't scsi)
[07:31] <yknott> nagyv: i see, well i know of none better, yet
[07:31] <K1765> Anyone know where I can get Libc header files?
[07:32] <flake> now I got DRV2_VOL1_ and a DRV2_VOL1, the latter being empty
[07:32] <epimeth> K1765: back
[07:33] <epimeth> K1765: what did you need again?
[07:33] <niclas> what script should end on .sh?
[07:34] <sivaji> kopete has crashed i cant run it is there any way to run
[07:35] <adi> niclas none its just a convention
[07:35] <epimeth> K1765: $sudo apt-get install libc6-dev
[07:35] <LjL> or just sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:35] <epimeth> sivaji: ctrl+esc, kill kopete.  then apt+f2 "kopete"
[07:35] <niclas> I don't get it...
[07:35] <LjL> which will give other 99% likely useful things
[07:36] <epimeth> K1765: what LjL said... sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:36] <epimeth> K1765: this will give you many things you don't need... but you might also need some of them for the installation
[07:36] <epimeth> K1765: better safe than sorry....
[07:36] <flake> if one of my wine programs hangs and i can't alt-tab back, instead of the ctrl-alt-backspace, is there a way to force quit the winey program without logging out?
[07:36] <niclas> is there anyone who can give me a more detailed description on how to get gmail-notify to autostart?
[07:36] <niclas> or explain the previous one...
[07:37] <niclas> :) I'm really new at this
[07:37] <epimeth> flake: click on the "x" until you get a popup asking you if you want to kill it... or ctrl+esc and select the process you want to kill
[07:38] <flake> sometimes i test out a full-screen dx app
[07:38] <epimeth> don't you guys just hate it when you're helping someone and they just dissapear?
[07:38] <epimeth> :-)
[07:38] <flake> lol
[07:38] <flake> i clicked on konvo
[07:39] <flake> thanks, faster to c-a-b
[07:39] <niclas> yknott: apparently I haven't registered
[07:39] <niclas> can't talk to you in there...
[07:40] <yknott> niclas: no worries
[07:40] <niclas> by the way, how do I register?
[07:40] <flake> that's how i earned the username I gave myself
[07:40] <epimeth> flake: whups... thought you were the guy with the kopete problem
[07:40] <flake> aww
[07:40] <epimeth> oh... if you still want it you can have it
[07:40] <yknott> /msg nickserv register help
[07:41] <nagyv> niclas: sorry, I get lost in a website. But if I see, then yknott will help you now.
[07:42] <niclas> where should I write that
[07:42] <niclas> right here?
[07:42] <epimeth> niclas: yes
[07:42] <niclas> all of it
[07:43] <epimeth> yes
[07:43] <philippon> ok, had to change my name
[07:43] <philippon> think Im registered now
[07:44] <K1765> thanks epimeth
[07:44] <Maruko> hi
[07:44] <Maruko> can I ask u a question?
[07:44] <Subsonic_> hey guys
[07:45] <epimeth> K1765: everything work out?
[07:45] <hendaus>  /join #gnokii
[07:45] <Subsonic_> can I get some assistance with setting screen resolution
[07:45] <epimeth> !ask | Maruko
[07:45] <ubotu> Maruko: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:45] <Maruko> if I want xfce and gnome along with my kde I must give : sudo apt-get install xfce-desktop && gnome-desktop
[07:45] <Subsonic_> I have just installed the nvidia driver, the quality is good however, the best res I can go to is 640x480
[07:45] <Maruko> I just want the two DE not the programs
[07:45] <K1765> im about to go try again right now
[07:46] <epimeth> mark_: no... sudo apt-get install xfce-desktop gnome-desktop
[07:46] <Maruko> ok
[07:46] <epimeth> Maruko: what?
[07:46] <Maruko> bu IO just get the DE or all the packages, programs and so on?
[07:46] <n8k99> Maruko: the programs are also part of teh DE as well
[07:46] <Maruko> I once installed XFCE but I didn't have all the XFCE programs
[07:46] <Maruko> just thunar
[07:46] <Subsonic_> anyone fancy giving me some help with graphics drivers?
[07:47] <epimeth> Maruko: ummm.... depends on what you mean by "programs"  you'll probably get nautilus and whatever the PIM for gnome is... same for xfce
[07:47] <dwidmann> subsonic: tried running "sudo nvidia-settings"?
[07:47] <n8k99> then you don't want teh *-desktop packages Maru
[07:47] <epimeth> Subsonic_: maybe... whats the problem?
[07:48] <Maruko> cannot find xfce-desktop
[07:48] <Subsonic_> i'll give it a go
[07:48] <n8k99> Maruko: xubuntu-desktop
[07:48] <n8k99> ubuntu-desktop
[07:49] <n8k99> those are the metapackages to install those two environments
[07:54] <Dinithion> I installed fiesty just now, but when I try to start k3b nothing happens. When I try to start k3b from a terminal i doesn't say anything. It doesn't start and no debug information at all. Have someone expirienced that?
[07:54] <epimeth> Dinithion: does your mouse cursor change?
[07:55] <Subsonic_> right, I tried sudo nvidia-settings
[07:55] <Subsonic_> still no joy
[07:55] <Rictoo> LjL: I setup the smartctl in /etc/sudoers, but I still have to enter a pass to use it
[07:56] <Subsonic_> for some reason it seems to think that my lcd screen can only do 640x480
[07:56] <Dinithion> epimeth Yes it does, but nothing else. It doesn't read from the harddisk either
[07:56] <epimeth> ctrl+esc and kill the k3b process
[07:56] <epimeth> then try running it again
[07:56] <MrC_> hi there ,i would to add PcLinuxOS 2007 to my pc,does anyone knows if ubuntu/kubuntu works well with dual-boot,i have install full HD for ubuntu/kubuntu
[07:56] <Thehound666> I have an issue, I did sudo aptitude hold linux-image linux-image-generic linux-headers linux-headers-generic linux-generic in hopes to not have adept force the kernel upgrade on me
[07:56] <Thehound666> it didn't work
[07:57] <easytiger> !vmware
[07:57] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[07:57] <Thehound666> what did I do wrong or is it a very annoying bug?
[07:57] <Subsonic_> dwidmann: do you have any other ideas?
[07:57] <sivaji> easytiger: whether linux supports vmware
[07:57] <Rictoo> LjL: I setup the smartctl in /etc/sudoers, but I still have to enter a pass to use it
[07:57] <easytiger> sivaji: sorry?
[07:58] <sivaji> easytiger: ok fine
[07:58] <easytiger> what are you on about
[07:58] <Subsonic_> anyone fancy giving me some help with a graphics problem?
[07:58] <Thehound666> I do have a good reason for refusing the kernel update
[07:59] <Dinithion> epimeth There were several k3bs "running", but one of them won't be killed
[07:59] <Rictoo> Guys, I setup to be able to use smartctl without root in /etc/sudoers, but I still have to enter a pass to use it
[07:59] <Thehound666> I got fglrx working and don't want to break it
[07:59] <sivaji> !ask | Subsonic_
[07:59] <ubotu> Subsonic_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:59] <epimeth> Dinithion: then open a terminal window
[07:59] <K1765> epimeth: my kubuntu wont start back up. I restart the pc, now it goes to the loading screen, and loads, then goes to another loading screen and does nothing
[07:59] <Subsonic_> I am having a problem with my nvidia card
[07:59] <psykidellic> hi...i have a init  script which i copied to /etc/init.d folder .. now i want to configure it for varioys rc.d ... which tool should i use? my frnd said that i should not do it manually but rather use the tool but he couldnt tell me the tool :)
[08:00] <psykidellic> *various
[08:00] <epimeth> Dinithion: $ps fuxa | grep k3b
[08:00] <Dinithion> epimeth still won't even with -9
[08:00] <Thehound666> the proprietary driver do you use that?
[08:00] <Thehound666> installs very easy
[08:00] <Subsonic_> nvidia-settings seems to see it ok however, it doesn't let me move the resolution about 640x480
[08:00] <Thehound666> but you need to do a konsole login
[08:00] <epimeth> Dinithion: odd that... try a reboot?
[08:00] <epimeth> K1765: what happens when you alt+ctrl+f1?
[08:00] <Subsonic_> oops
[08:00] <sivaji> i could see more than 100 process are but all most of them are doing nothing can i kill that
[08:00] <Subsonic_> nvidia-settings seems to see it ok however, it doesn't let me move the resolution above 640x480
[08:01] <K1765> epimeth: it goes to the login prompt
[08:01] <Subsonic_> any ideas?
[08:01] <Thehound666> proprietary driver?
[08:01] <Thehound666> or open source
[08:01] <epimeth> Dinithion: did you try killing it as sudo, btw?
[08:01] <epimeth> K1765: okay, so your os is fine, its just a driver problem
[08:01] <Dinithion> epimeth I'll try
[08:01] <epimeth> K1765: this is whty we backed up xorg.conf first
[08:02] <ahmed> guys ,, when i try to access the login in the administration of gnome i get this message : GDM (The GNOME Display Manager) is not running.,,, its true because i installed kde but how to switch back to gnome login manager ??
[08:02] <K1765> epimeth: yea.. so how do i get back on kubuntu lol
[08:02] <epimeth> K1765: log in through term1 and copy back xorg.conf... remember to do it as sudo
[08:02] <Subsonic_> Anyone got anything I can try?
[08:02] <epimeth> Subsonic_: you tried adding the resolutions manually to xorg.conf?
[08:03] <Thehound666> try answering questions when they are asked and you might get better ideas from people =/
[08:03] <K1765> epimeth: did i tell you im a complete noob
[08:03] <Subsonic_> nope
[08:03] <Subsonic_> vi xorg.conf?
[08:03] <epimeth> K1765: lol... yup
[08:03] <epimeth> Subsonic_: I prefer emacs
[08:03] <K1765> epimeth: term1?
[08:03] <epimeth> Subsonic_: :-)
[08:03] <Subsonic_> loation?
[08:03] <Subsonic_> oops
[08:03] <hendaus> helpers, i install from wine nokia suite program, can anyone tell me how to uninstall it? thanx
[08:03] <epimeth> K1765: terminal one... its the terminal you get to when you alt+ctrl+f1
[08:03] <Subsonic_> location?
[08:03] <Thehound666> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:03] <Subsonic_> thanks
[08:03] <yuriy> does (k)ubuntu use some particular uid to lock the screen?
[08:03] <epimeth> Subsonic_: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:04] <epimeth> oh
[08:04] <yuriy> (Jucato, my problem from before has something to do with that ^)
[08:04] <epimeth> damn you Thehound666!
[08:04] <epimeth> :-)
[08:04] <Thehound666> I had to deal alot with that file
[08:04] <Thehound666> I have a newer ati card
[08:04] <K1765> epimeth: I backed up xorg.conf in /home/ so how do i copy it to /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[08:04] <Dinithion> epimeth It seems to be a tough application :P I just rebooted so that seems unlikly aswell :/
[08:04] <Thehound666> now you got room for me
[08:05] <epimeth> $sudo cp /home/<your user name>/xorg.conf.back /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:05] <Thehound666> I am trying to kill the kernel upgrade in adept
[08:05] <Thehound666> aptitude hold is doing nothing
[08:05] <Thehound666> it says held back
[08:05] <Thehound666> but adept still wants to upgrade
[08:05] <epimeth> if it says held back it should be held back....
[08:05] <K1765> kk ty epimeth
[08:05] <Thehound666> what I thought too
[08:05] <Thehound666> not the case this time
[08:05] <K1765> epimeth: Did I install the wrong driver??
[08:06] <epimeth> oohhhh... aptitude wants to upgrade?  you sure it doesn't just tell you that it's upgradeable?
[08:06] <epimeth> K1765: aparently
[08:06] <hendaus> any helper please!!! i install from wine nokia suite program, can anyone tell me how to uninstall it? thanx
[08:06] <nagyv> philippon: I'm back
[08:06] <epimeth> hendaus: you tried running the uninstaller using wine?
[08:06] <K1765> epimeth: I have a geforce fx 5500, i got it FX series driver..so what else could be wrong??
[08:07] <K1765> i got the*
[08:07] <Andeh> Hello
[08:07] <Andeh> Is there a way to move inactive/unused processes to swap to save memory?
[08:07] <highlandcairn> does anyone know how to access the "commercial" repo for feisty?
[08:08] <Andeh> Or do i need to wait for it to get full?
[08:08] <Quinn_Storm> ok, another question -.-, I'm looking to replace kde-guidance-powermanager with kpowermanager, but I can't even find the upstream source of kpowermanager let alone a package...anyone have any idea about this?
[08:08] <hendaus> epimeth:  i install from a live cd a program for nokia phone call nokia suite from wine, and i want to uninstall it
[08:09] <epimeth> K1765: dunno.... try sudo apt-get install restricted-manager
[08:10] <epimeth> hendaus: I dunno... never installed it :-)
[08:10] <epimeth> hendaus: try a google search... "kubuntu nokia phone call suite uninstall"
[08:11] <Andeh> Can I use MySQL to store an entire website? And if this is too irrelevant (probably is lol), is there an IRC channel for PHP, etc.?
[08:11] <daaaman64> Andeh
[08:11] <daaaman64> no
[08:12] <epimeth> Andeh: ummmmm.... that is incredibly open ended
[08:12] <Andeh> Store as in the html content. PHP would then get this and put it in the pages.
[08:12] <daaaman64> Andeh, yes there is a PHP channel on freenode
[08:12] <hendaus> ok thanx epimeth
[08:12] <Andeh> open-ended?
[08:12] <Andeh> LOL i got kicked due to overflow
[08:13] <epimeth> Andeh: content management systems technically "store" websites in a database (ie mysql)... but they have to be loaded using the php... therefore the php is the actual website, it just takes the content from the db
[08:13] <Thehound666> hey guys I found a pastebin that works
[08:13] <Thehound666> maybe you can see something wrong with the dialog I get back
[08:13] <frojnd> can someone take a look at this error, CINELERRA gives me this error when I start cinelerra. What does it mean??? I screened it since I wasn't able to copy the text.
[08:13] <Thehound666> http://paste.uni.cc/15884
[08:14] <epimeth> Andeh: so what exactly is it you are asking?
[08:15] <Andeh> epimeth: Yay, good to see you're learning. I just wanted to know if it is suitable to store a large website's content in mysql databases with IDs for every page. I know it's definately better than having loads of flat files, or one huge one  (php would have to load all the content and find the page then filter it and echo it) so i thought i could use MySQL.
[08:15] <Andeh> yay
[08:15] <epimeth> Thehound666: I don't see anything wrong with it... except for maybe you don't specify the version?
[08:15] <Thehound666> hmmm
[08:16] <epimeth> Andeh: learning?
[08:16] <Thehound666> give it a shot though linux-generic is still in adept's list
[08:16] <Thehound666> with no version after it
[08:16] <Andeh> epimeth: lol?
[08:16] <epimeth> Andeh: ;-)
[08:16] <Andeh> :-)
[08:17] <epimeth> Andeh: as I told someone earlier, 'better' is a relative term.  flat files will load fastest, followed by pure php, and lastly a mysql solution
[08:18] <epimeth> Andeh: but flat files lead to much confusion and are almost impossible to rewrite when the site is redesigned
[08:18] <frojnd> If I do like this: sudo echo "0x7fffffff" > /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax    what will do this?? It was in error note when I started the cinelerra: http://shrani.si/?cinelerra11fvi.png
[08:18] <Andeh> I want a CMS but most are crappy and bloated, mostly i was going for a forum system with a VERY light home page/etc that has loads of stuff and can load content from the forum.
[08:18] <Andeh> i gtg
[08:18] <epimeth> Andeh: the ideal solution is the have a mix of php pages which load content from the database.. ie a CMS
[08:18] <Andeh> bi
[08:18] <Andeh> yes
[08:18] <Andeh> bye
[08:19] <yuriy> Quinn_Storm: i think you're thinking of kpowersave
[08:20] <firecrotch> Anyone know how I can get custom smileys to work in Gaim?
[08:20] <Quinn_Storm> yuriy: you are correct
[08:21] <apokryphos> ubotu: info kpowersave
[08:21] <sivaji> is any developer here please tell me
[08:21] <ubotu> kpowersave: HAL based power management applet for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.2-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 3271 kB, installed size 5080 kB
[08:21] <apokryphos> !helpme
[08:21] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:21] <epimeth> sivaji: kubuntu developer or just any developer?
[08:22] <epimeth> sivaji: cuz I'm a developer....
[08:22] <sivaji> kubuntu
[08:22] <epimeth> sivaji: what is it you need from them?
[08:22] <apokryphos> !anyone
[08:22] <sivaji> can u tell me what disk scheduling algo u r using
[08:22] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[08:22] <K1765> epimeth: sudo cp /home/michael/xorg.conf.back /etc/X11/xorg.conf didnt work
[08:22] <K1765> epimeth: said they dont exist.. >.>
[08:23] <epimeth> K1765: lol
[08:23] <sivaji> epimeth can  u tell me what disk scheduling algo u r using
[08:23] <epimeth> K1765: sudo cp /home/michael/WHATEVER_YOU_CALLED_THE_BACKUP /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:24] <K1765> epimeth, what is the name of the backup in /etc/x11/
[08:24] <sivaji> epimeth :
[08:24] <epimeth> sivaji: right... you're looking for a kernel developer
[08:24] <epimeth> K1765: I told you to back up the file... you said you put it in your home
[08:25] <epimeth> sivaji: I'm sure that info is publicly available... do a google search
[08:25] <K1765> epimeth: I did, what would it copy has, i copied /etc/x11/xorg.conf to /home/./ would it just be /etc/x11/xorg.conf?
[08:25] <K1765> epimeth: i mean xorg.conf
[08:25] <K1765> hha
[08:26] <epimeth> K1765: so yes... you just copy it back
[08:26] <epimeth> K1765: sudo cp /home/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:26] <K1765> kk
[08:26] <epimeth> or even just sudo cp /home/xorg.conf /etc/X11/
[08:26] <K1765> k lol
[08:26] <epimeth> erm /home/michael
[08:27] <highlandcairn> has anyone successfully installed vmware server using feisty?
[08:27] <K1765> if this doesnt work im screwed.. ey?
[08:27] <Thehound666> put the version
[08:27] <Thehound666> no love
[08:27] <epimeth> K1765: it will work... the only thing the Nvidia install did that could break your system was replace xorg.conf
[08:27] <K1765> im about to love windows again.. seeing how i cant even get the drivers to work
[08:27] <Thehound666> or is the version I supposed to put is my current kernel
[08:27] <Thehound666> I said hold version of the upgrade
[08:28] <K1765> brb
[08:28] <epimeth> K1765: bite your tongue!
[08:28] <Thehound666> I really don't want to be the guinea pig of seeing if the ati driver works on the new kernel
[08:28] <MaTiAz> K1765: That was the same feeling I had when I didn't get stuff working :)
[08:29] <epimeth> Thehound666: just run the upgrade... if it doesn't work you can always boot into an older kernel!
[08:29] <epimeth> of course, back up anything important first....
[08:30] <K1765> lmao epimeth
[08:30] <K1765> epimeth: it says /etc/x11/ doesn't exist
[08:30] <Thehound666> but fglrx is in the kernel, should I uninstall it? might seem decent to just take it and change my default boot to the old kernel
[08:30] <Thehound666> just so adept shuts up
[08:31] <epimeth> K1765: X
[08:31] <epimeth> K1765: x != X
[08:31] <epimeth> K1765: linux is case sensitive
[08:31] <K1765> oh well go figure LOL
[08:31] <epimeth> Thehound666: exactly what I'm saying :-)
[08:32] <Thehound666> thanks for the help
[08:32] <Thehound666> will have to do that after I finish ftping up stuff
[08:33] <Quinn_Storm> yeah I'm back with another annoying question...I've got a strange bug with my volume hotkeys where mute toggle works, but volume change doesn't (its detected fine, but instead of changing I get a display that shows 11% no matter what if I push volUp, and 0% no matter what on volDown)
[08:33] <epimeth> Thehound666: hope everything will be okay... google your card and the kernel vers... see if anyone has problems
[08:34] <K1765> epimeth: ok.. i type sudo cp /home/michael/xorg.conf /etc/X11/ and it just goes to the next line and does nothing or says nothing
[08:35] <asso_> salut
[08:35] <epimeth> K1765: now type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[08:35] <K1765> wooh.. ok brb lol
[08:35] <Thehound666> I am one of the few that got my card working
[08:35] <Thehound666> :)
[08:35] <Thehound666> took some surgery to the modules
[08:35] <ubuntu_> hello
[08:36] <Thehound666> Radeon X1950PRO XGE
[08:36] <epimeth> Thehound666: ooohhhh... so you know what you're doing then... be a man and upgrade, then get the card working again! and tell the world how you did it :-p
[08:37] <Thehound666> lol
[08:37] <Thehound666> I actually tried a 2.6.21 kernel but fglrx is not ready for it yet
[08:37] <epimeth> show off you're mad driver haxx0ring skillz
[08:37] <Thehound666> or I would have kept it
[08:37] <epimeth> we're on 20, right?
[08:37] <Thehound666> yes
[08:37] <epimeth> kay
[08:37] <epimeth> :-)
[08:38] <epimeth> I just let the upgrade do whatever it wants :-)
[08:38] <epimeth> I want my HDA sound card to actually work without a hack :-( *sobs*
[08:38] <Thehound666> the kernel rejects fglrx like the freaky guy down the street
[08:38] <Thehound666> :P
[08:38] <Thehound666> that is 2.6.21
[08:38] <Quinn_Storm> epimeth: what's wrong with your HDA card?
[08:39] <epimeth> Quinn_Storm: it doesn't work properly...
[08:39] <epimeth> duh :-p
[08:39] <Quinn_Storm> epimeth: I gathered that much :-P
[08:39] <Quinn_Storm> epimeth: what specifically is wrong?
[08:39] <epimeth> pre-patch or post-patch?
[08:39] <Quinn_Storm> either, as I did come into this late
[08:39] <Subsonic_> epimeth:  I had a look in the xorg.conf and it lists the monitors modes correctly
[08:40] <Subsonic_> I am guessing it is the driver
[08:40] <epimeth> Quinn_Storm: you didn't... we were just talking about drivers so I brought up the fact that my sound card is patched :-)
[08:40] <Quinn_Storm> ah
[08:40] <Quinn_Storm> patched how, then?
[08:40] <epimeth> Subsonic_: the only thing I know about display drivers is that I installed the 915resolution package in order to fix mine....
[08:41] <Robban> Anybody know a utility to change registers in the chipset, like WPCREDIT for widows?
[08:41] <Subsonic_> how do I get that?
[08:41] <epimeth> Quinn_Storm: patched with an alsa driver specific to a laptop very similar (but juuuust different enough) to mine
[08:41] <epimeth> Quinn_Storm: I'll find the bug report for you....
[08:41] <Quinn_Storm> did you first try all the 'model=' varieties for your chipset?
[08:42] <Subsonic_> epimeth: how do I get that?
[08:42] <cloyette> hi guys cn you tell me how to configure n connect to my wiresless network
[08:42] <epimeth> !915resolution
[08:42] <cloyette> i am using feisty
[08:42] <Subsonic_> !915resolution
[08:42] <Subsonic_> just type that?
[08:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 915resolution - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <epimeth> Quinn_Storm: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=2725
[08:43] <epimeth> Quinn_Storm: so now I have the following problems:
[08:43] <Quinn_Storm> epimeth: it seems it won't let me see it without loging in, moment
[08:43] <Quinn_Storm> ah nevermind, found it
[08:44] <epimeth> Quinn_Storm: PCM does not have a 'mute' option, so the 'mute' button doesn't work
[08:44] <Quinn_Storm> PCM never has 'mute'
[08:44] <Quinn_Storm> you have to make Front the main channel
[08:44] <Quinn_Storm> or whatever it is there
[08:44] <epimeth> Quinn_Storm: nope... then plugging in a mic doesn't mute the speakers and move the sound control to the mic :-)
[08:45] <titanix88> Quinn_Storm: Did u configure ur keyboard layout?
[08:45] <cloyette> someone help me with my wireless pleeez
[08:45] <Quinn_Storm> epimeth: then your driver isn't really supporting your chipset just yet
[08:45] <epimeth> well, it *does* mute the speakers... but sound control is still on 'front', so volume unmutes the speakers and changes *their* volume
[08:45] <Quinn_Storm> titanix88: my keyboard layout isn't the problem, as I mentioned before, it responds to the keys, just not correctly
[08:45] <epimeth> Quinn_Storm: exactly :-)
[08:45] <titanix88> Quinn_Storm: i mean keyboard brand or identification?
[08:45] <Quinn_Storm> titanix88: that has nothing to do with it, honest, it worked before a recent update even
[08:46] <Quinn_Storm> (gutsy update that is)
[08:46] <epimeth> Quinn_Storm: that reminds me... acpi isn't fully supported for the keyboard yet, either :-)
[08:46] <Rictoo> Guys, I setup to be able to use smartctl without root in /etc/sudoers, but I still have to enter a pass to use it
[08:46] <Quinn_Storm> epimeth: weird laptop you have there
[08:46] <epimeth> fn+f11 doesn't register as anything
[08:46] <titanix88> hendaus: hi
[08:46] <epimeth> Quinn_Storm: no... just ultra new and friggin awesome :-p
[08:46] <Quinn_Storm> heh
[08:46] <Quinn_Storm> yeah well I'm on a Darter
[08:46] <Rictoo> rictoo ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/smartctl
[08:46] <Rictoo> That's what I put in sodoers
[08:47] <Rictoo> but whenever I run it as root, I still have to enter a passsword
[08:47] <epimeth> ooooohhhh ubuntu certified
[08:47] <ubuntu_> hello
[08:47] <K1765> epimeth: that didnt work, it restarted, the Kubuntu logo came up, the loading bar didnt move, then it went to a blank black screen, with the cursor _
[08:48] <Thehound666> how is this for glxgears anyways? My drivers seem optimal?
[08:48] <Thehound666> 28539 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5707.703 FPS
[08:48] <Thehound666> 28745 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5748.863 FPS
[08:48] <Thehound666> 28343 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5668.575 FPS
[08:48] <Rictoo> Guys, I setup to be able to use smartctl without root in /etc/sudoers, but I still have to enter a pass to use it. I put this in /etc/sudoers: rictoo ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/smartctl
[08:48] <epimeth> K1765: send me a pastebin link of your xorg.conf
[08:49] <epimeth> Thehound666: well color me jealous!
[08:49] <K1765> .......im on a different pc and couldnt anyways cuz dunno how lol
[08:49] <Thehound666> not sure what average is
[08:49] <Subsonic_> guys where can I get instructions on how to install the latest nvidia drivers?
[08:49] <epimeth> 4462 frames in 5.0 seconds = 892.224 FPS
[08:49] <epimeth> 4009 frames in 5.0 seconds = 801.714 FPS
[08:49] <epimeth> 5179 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1035.609 FPS
[08:49] <epimeth> 5320 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1063.990 FPS
[08:50] <K1765> subsonic_: lol ive been trying the past 3 hours to get mine working.. good luck..
[08:50] <Quinn_Storm> ugh if even I knew what packange *handled* it in kubuntu that'd help...as often is the case, its not something standard
[08:50] <Thehound666> me. mark the .run file as executable and place in home folder
[08:50] <Thehound666> logout
[08:50] <Thehound666> then do a console login
[08:50] <epimeth> Subsonic_: go to help.ubuntu.com/community and type in nvidia in the search bar on top
[08:50] <Thehound666> do sudo ./filename
[08:50] <stupid_cupid> hello
[08:50] <Thehound666> then follow the prompts
[08:50] <Thehound666> boot into recovery mode and choose nvidia
[08:51] <Rictoo> Guys, I setup to be able to use smartctl without root in /etc/sudoers, but I still have to enter a pass to use it. I put this in /etc/sudoers: rictoo ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/smartctl
[08:51] <stupid_cupid> hi
[08:51] <Zhanev> hi
[08:51] <Thehound666> if you have issues and have intel on-board blacklist intel_agp
[08:51] <K1765> epimeth: =/
[08:51] <epimeth> K1765: best I can offer you at the second :-(
[08:51] <Thehound666> oh forgot to say what to type in recovery mode
[08:52] <epimeth> K1765: actually!
[08:52] <Thehound666> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:52] <K1765> epimeth: boo?
[08:52] <Thehound666> also choose kernel framebuffer off
[08:52] <epimeth> K1765: yea... do what Thehound666 just said
[08:52] <epimeth> K1765: and if *that* doesn't work:
[08:52] <Quinn_Storm> ok nevermind its just normal kmilo...
[08:52] <K1765> epimeth: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg??
[08:53] <cox377> does anyone have any idea what the commandline would be to restart azureus from command line, it's the full azureus not the headless?
[08:53] <cloyette_> guys can someone plleeeeez help me with my wireless
[08:53] <epimeth> K1765: open the xorg.conf file and see if you can find where it says driver nvidia... and change nvidia to nv
[08:53] <apokryphos> !wireless | cloyette_
[08:53] <ubotu> cloyette_: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:53] <Thehound666> -java azureus.jar?
[08:53] <epimeth> K1765: yea, what you said :-)
[08:53] <Zhanev> Q: I've observed some problems with youtube recently.  My bandwidth is 10 times slower when downloading from youtube than from anywhere else (I've tried dailymotion for example and works fine).  Anybody else has seen this?  It's my provider?  Or is it youtube/google?
[08:53] <Thehound666> from the directory
[08:54] <epimeth> cloyette_: what's the problem?
[08:54] <K1765> epimeth: now im confused to hell.. so how do i open it and change it.. in term1 lol
[08:54] <cloyette_> it's not connecting epimeth
[08:54] <epimeth> Zhanev: its youtube/google and/or your provider :-)
[08:54] <epimeth> K1765: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:54] <epimeth> K1
[08:55] <cloyette_> it says there are no detectable wireless networks
[08:55] <Zhanev> epimeth: both? fucking hell :(
[08:55] <K1765> epimeth: do i do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg also?
[08:55] <epimeth> K1765: then you edit it and hit ctrl+x to exit. it will ask you if you want to save, you type "Y", then hit enter
[08:55] <epimeth> :-)
[08:55] <epimeth> K1765: you do the dpkg reconfigure first
[08:55] <epimeth> Zhanev: what?
[08:55] <Thehound666> it's a good idea but you can try without and if it boots fine
[08:55] <Thehound666> check xorg.conf
[08:56] <Thehound666> should say nvidia for device
[08:56] <epimeth> cloyette_: open a terminal and type in iwconfig
[08:56] <cloyette_> ok epimeth
[08:56] <cloyette_> it says no wireless extensions epimeth
[08:56] <epimeth> cloyette_: then your driver isn't installed properly
[08:57] <cloyette_> ok...can u help me installing it?
[08:57] <epimeth> cloyette_: I would but I'm itching to get the hell out of work... its 10pm here
[08:57] <Thehound666> drivers are the worst thing about Linux I must say. You're home free once you get past that
[08:57] <epimeth> cloyette_: in the meanwhile check this link out:
[08:57] <epimeth> !wireless | cloyette_
[08:57] <ubotu> cloyette_: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:58] <epimeth> cloyette_: if that doesn't help you then come back here... someone will help you out
[08:58] <epimeth> Thehound666: totally
[08:58] <cloyette_> ok thanx
[08:58] <epimeth> good luck :-)
[09:01] <dwidmann> Subsonic_: I may
[09:02] <Subsonic_> dwidmann: are you still able to help?
[09:03] <Rictoo> Guys, I setup to be able to use smartctl without root in /etc/sudoers, but I still have to enter a pass to use it. I put this in /etc/sudoers: rictoo ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/smartctl
[09:03] <dwidmann> Subsonic_: I was downstairs, sorry for the (rather long) delay
[09:03] <Subsonic_> no problem
[09:04] <Subsonic_> I am in a spot with my nvidia drivers and need to install some new ones.
[09:04] <cloyette_> ok guys...is there anyone else in here that can help me with my wireless problem??
[09:04] <Subsonic_> are there any packages available to do this for me easily?
[09:04] <dwidmann> Subsonic_: new ones eh? Are you using Kubuntu 7.04 or an earlier release?
[09:04] <dwidmann> Subsonic_: also, how did you go about installing them to begin with (yes, this matters)
[09:05] <Subsonic_> they were fine on the default installation
[09:05] <Subsonic_> I then went to install a product called linuxmce
[09:05] <Subsonic_> the first thing it did was complain about my drivers and ask if I wanted to update them
[09:06] <Subsonic_> I said yes and have had this problem since then
[09:06] <Ferodin> How do I instal the MP3 codecs? Im pretty new to Kubuntu :/
[09:06] <Subsonic_> the monitor reolutions are all listed fine in xorg.conf
[09:06] <Subsonic_> oops
[09:06] <dwidmann> Subsonic_: the answers to the questsions I asked?
[09:06] <Subsonic_> the monitor resolutions are all listed fine in xorg.conf
[09:06] <Thehound666> about right, there is this graphic driver installer the ubuntu community raves about. All it results for me is wrong driver and unable to start xserver
[09:07] <dwidmann> !mp3 | Ferodin
[09:07] <Subsonic_> sorry first one didn't see it
[09:07] <ubotu> Ferodin: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:07] <Thehound666> trying to remember its name
[09:07] <Thehound666> because I say avoid it
[09:07] <Subsonic_> 7.04
[09:07] <dwidmann> and the second (I never got an answer for that either)
[09:07] <Subsonic_> also, how did you go about installing them to begin with (yes, this matters)?
[09:07] <Ferodin> thank you very much Ubotu
[09:07] <Subsonic_> this one?
[09:07] <dwidmann> Yeah, that one
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> Ferodin: thats a bot..
[09:08] <Ferodin> haha :>
[09:08] <Subsonic_> I then went to install a product called linuxmce, the first thing it did was complain about my drivers and ask if I wanted to update them, I said yes and have had this problem since then
[09:08] <Subsonic_> the monitor resolutions are all listed fine in xorg.conf
[09:08] <Thehound666> all I can say is the standard windows way only Linuxed
[09:08] <voicu> what was the command to get the uuid of the harddrives?
[09:09] <Thehound666> remove that program
[09:09] <pabligeno> hi .|
[09:09] <pabligeno> alguien que hable espaoL?
[09:09] <Thehound666> then purge all your drivers configs
[09:09] <Thehound666> reinstall the right drivers
[09:09] <Subsonic_> the reolution before linuxmce got involved was 1280x1024 or something similar
[09:09] <dwidmann> Subsonic_: okay ... try this: "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new"
[09:09] <voicu> pabligeno: try #kubuntu-es or #ubuntu-es
[09:09] <cloyette_> plz somebody help me with my wireless
[09:09] <cloyette_> plz plz plz
[09:10] <Subsonic_> will do
[09:10] <Thehound666> I could try if it's basic cloyette but I only have 1 wireless card, which Kubuntu auto-detected fine
[09:10] <voicu> so, can someone please tell me the command that returns the harddisk uuid's?
[09:10] <cloyette_> really??
[09:10] <Subsonic_> brb
[09:11] <cloyette_> well uhm thehound666 what did u do to connect to the wireless
[09:11] <cloyette_> ??
[09:11] <Thehound666> yeah it's hit or miss with Kubuntu
[09:11] <Ferodin> bah, When I open amarok and try to download the MP3 codecs, It just hangs, and I have to terminate it... any suggestions?
[09:11] <Thehound666> it pretty much detected the pci card and activated it as my lan connection
[09:11] <Thehound666> not much fiddling iirc
[09:12] <Thehound666> I did have to kill eth0
[09:12] <Thehound666> made my connection a bit less stable
[09:13] <Thehound666> don't ask me why
[09:14] <Thehound666> Ferodin: Amarok is junk for that for some bug. try a konsole and type
[09:14] <Thehound666> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[09:14] <Thehound666> with amarok closed
[09:14] <Thehound666> should work fine after
[09:14] <Ferodin> ah, cheers, il try that
[09:14] <Subsonic_> dwidmann: i have done that and it installed
[09:15] <Subsonic_> do I need to change the linking within xorg.conf from nvidia to nvidia-glx-new?
[09:16] <dwidmann> Subsonic_: no, but you do need to restart x
[09:16] <Thehound666> no nvidia is proper if you're using proprietary. I thinks it's "nv" for open source
[09:17] <Thehound666> I do a full reboot to let the kernel reload
[09:17] <Subsonic_> I have just rebooted
[09:17] <Thehound666> my preference
[09:17] <Thehound666> since these drivers do install kernel modules
[09:17] <Subsonic_> just coming back up now
[09:18] <dwidmann> Subsonic_: try running "sudo nvidia-settings" and changing the res, see what it does
[09:18] <hinesd> helloo
[09:18] <sorsis> how do i make windows cascade in a way macosx does while selecting next active application?
[09:18] <hinesd> is there anyone in here?
[09:18] <hinesd> anyone know  if when you boot
[09:18] <hinesd> it gives error 16
[09:18] <hinesd> from grub
[09:18] <hinesd> andone know how to fix that\
[09:19] <Thehound666> maybe reinstall grub from the live cd if I can recall how it's done
[09:20] <philippon> how do I register
[09:20] <philippon> ?
[09:20] <hinesd> reinstalling from a live cd?
[09:20] <Thehound666> do /msg nickserv register password email
[09:20] <Thehound666> or the other way around
[09:20] <hinesd> ok
[09:20] <Thehound666> I always mix it up
[09:20] <hinesd> but heres the thing
[09:20] <Subsonic_> Just crashed the machine
[09:20] <hinesd> what i did
[09:20] <Meglo> http://lolcode.com/home
[09:20] <Subsonic_> won't boot
[09:20] <hinesd> was installed xp
[09:20] <Subsonic_> lol
[09:20] <Ferodin> Thehound666: I've installed the extracodecs, but it still wont work ...
[09:20] <Subsonic_> I am re-installing
[09:20] <hinesd> yeAG
[09:21] <Subsonic_> :-)
[09:21] <hinesd> i JSU CRASHED MINE
[09:21] <hinesd> AND I CNA'T GET THE THE XP PARTITION TO get my data back
[09:21] <hinesd> oops caps
[09:21] <hinesd> haha
[09:21] <hinesd> jsut sayes error 16
[09:21] <Thehound666> hmm odd did it close while you did? sometimes a hung proggie shows in ksysguard
[09:21] <Subsonic_> I will install new and then run that apt-get nvidia-glx-new command instead of the open off the cd
[09:21] <Thehound666> after you think it's gone
[09:21] <Subsonic_> will the glx driver run open gl apps?
[09:22] <Ferodin> I open the file with amarok, It loads, but then it just closes  :S
[09:22] <Thehound666> yes I know what happened is ntldr erased your MBR and it's not finding windows on the partition it expects, instead it's launching grub
[09:22] <Thehound666> a grub reinstall should fix it
[09:24] <Thehound666> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[09:24] <gan|y|med> hi
[09:24] <Ferodin> ah, yes! Kaffeine saves my day!!
 ah, yes! Kaffeine saves my day!!
[09:25] <Thehound666> usually ruins mine
[09:25] <Thehound666> jk lol
[09:25] <Ferodin> haha :P amarok ruins mine
[09:25] <Thehound666> hinesd link was for you
[09:26] <Thehound666> that should solve it all unless you weren't careful
[09:26] <Thehound666> and overwritten Ubuntu
[09:26] <Thehound666> I hope not
[09:26] <Thehound666> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[09:26] <Thehound666> if you missed it
[09:29] <hinesd> hi srry went to bathroom
[09:30] <hinesd> this is actually the exact process i used
[09:30] <hinesd> to install it
[09:30] <hinesd> the one on the link you posted
[09:30] <hinesd> and now it sayes
[09:30] <hinesd> error 16
[09:30] <hinesd> which i do beleive is
[09:30] <hinesd> inconsistent files system
[09:30] <andre> hello, I jus removed my master optical drive and replaced it with my secondary one, now the drive is not recognized, what can I do?
[09:30] <diego_> hi
[09:31] <LjL> !enter
[09:31] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[09:31] <hinesd> ok
[09:31] <diego_> ok
[09:32] <diego_> who manages here
[09:32] <hinesd> so basically i followed the directions on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[09:32] <andre> I jus removed my master optical drive and replaced it with my secondary one, now the drive is not recognized, what can I do?
[09:33] <diego_> did you check the switches on the unit
[09:33] <andre> was that for me?
[09:33] <diego_> yes
[09:33] <andre> yes i did
[09:34] <diego_> ok
[09:34] <Thehound666> if by some freak occurance your partition got set inactive you can use gparted in the live cd to set it active
[09:34] <Thehound666> can install it right in the live session
[09:34] <Thehound666> how I modify partitions
[09:35] <rock_> jou
[09:35] <rock_> was geht
 any ideas what could be wrong?
[09:36] <Andeh> Hello...
[09:36] <diego_> are you talking about a cdrom unit, or something like that?
[09:37] <andre> yes...dvdrom
[09:37] <Andeh> How does a raid01 array work? I know raid 10 has several raid0 sets, but how does raid 01 work then?
[09:38] <hinesd> ok, so if i messed everything up if i get the partitioner on the live-cd to work then i cna reinstall on a new partition or the same partition?
[09:38] <diego_> my question is if did you check the master/slave phisical switch in the unit
[09:38] <andre> yes i did...i disconnected them and reconnected
[09:38] <Andeh> And another question, why are there 421 people in the room and only 5 active?
[09:38] <andre> the drive can open just isn't detected by the filesystem
[09:38] <diego_> ahh
[09:39] <cloyette> guys...i'm really desperate
[09:39] <cloyette> can someone pleez help me with my driver?
[09:39] <diego_> i just dont know,sorry
[09:39] <Andeh> cloyette: Get a taxi.
[09:39] <andre> thanks anyways
[09:39] <Andeh> Wow... silence
[09:40] <cloyette> ok...i have a serious problem with my wireless driver
[09:40] <cloyette> can someone help me pleez??
[09:40] <neverblue> ?
[09:40] <neverblue> begging?
[09:40] <neverblue> you have resorted to begging?
[09:40] <hinesd> look on the driver's site
[09:41] <Andeh> Apparently the #ubuntu channel made her beg, right?
[09:41] <neverblue> how do u know its a her?
[09:41] <Andeh> The *AAARGH* people in there are *twitch* rude.
[09:41] <philippon>  /msg NickServ help IDENTIFY
[09:41] <Andeh> Because I bought my dolphin.
[09:42] <titanix88> hendaus: wb
[09:42] <Andeh> (CORRECTION: @post 9 lines away: "Him or Her")
[09:43] <Andeh> ViRgiLiO's looks like his modem is rebooting.
[09:43] <Andeh> lol
[09:44] <Andeh> All my neighbours, the ones close enough anyway, have passwords on their wireless.
[09:44] <Andeh> Is there a simple tool to hack their connections so I can have their internet? Mine sucks.
[09:44] <Andeh> (Not the kind of thing you get asked often eh?
[09:44] <Andeh> )
[09:44] <gan|y|med> i have a compilation problem with an ubuntu-rt kernel and fglrx. could anybody have a look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23147/ please?
[09:45] <hinesd> I first setup ubuntu from a live cd then installed xp, now xp made my linux grub disapear(inactive?) so  i tried to reinstall it using the commands from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351 and now it jsut sayes error 16 every time i boot up.
[09:45] <Cosmoboy> hi!
[09:45] <Cosmoboy> I need help to delete an interface in iwconfig, i've just readed the man file but nothing
[09:46] <Cosmoboy> does omeone can give me the command please?
[09:46] <Andeh> A slightly less stupid question might be: "My graphics card is an obsolete ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9200 that the website doesnt even have a WINDOWS download for, let alone linux!
[09:46] <Andeh> Can i still get drivers/acceleration for this? BERYL sucks without them, even crashes X sometimes!
[09:46] <yknott> Cosmoboy: what do you mean by delete an interface? ok i understand delete and interface, but what do you wish to accomplish?
[09:46] <hendaus> thanx titanix88 :)
[09:47] <Cosmoboy> i've just putted an usb wifi key
[09:47] <Andeh> yknott: Probably means to remove the device from the list and disable it?
[09:47] <Cosmoboy> and i've got 2 interface for the wifi
[09:47] <innernaut> anyone know of a package for ubuntu that can convert word 2007 docx files to pdf?
[09:48] <Andeh> innernaut: No, but there are ones form converting DOCX to something a PDF program can handle...
[09:48] <Cosmoboy> and when i launch wifi-radar in a shell it gives me wmaster0  Interface doesn't support scanning : Operation not supported
[09:48] <yknott> innernaut: oowrite?
[09:48] <yknott> oowriter?
[09:48] <Cosmoboy> but there is a wlan0
[09:48] <innernaut> Andeh: like what?
[09:49] <Andeh> innernaut: Well, OpenOffice Writer (oowriter) is like MS Word, and can open Word documents. It has a PDF export function in the File menu.
[09:49] <Andeh> I am not certain about XDOC but it's worth a try
[09:49] <cloyette> guys...plz wireless help
[09:49] <cloyette> i'm beggin
[09:50] <Cosmoboy> yknott: had you understood? i've got bad english :)
[09:50] <innernaut> Andeh: yeah, I tried it... no go, I am checking to see if they might have an update or something...
[09:51] <yknott> Andeh: for the windows driver of mobility radeon 9200, seems you would use  http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/xp/radeon-prer300-xp.html  and http://www.driverheaven.net/modtool/
[09:51] <Andeh> innernaut: There is probably a plugin for Writer, but I am certain there is a converter for docx to doc.
[09:52] <Andeh> The whole point of docx is to make it more flexible, compatible and smaller because it is written in XML.
[09:53] <Andeh> yknott: Yay thanks!
[09:53] <yknott> Andeh: and yet?
[09:53] <Andeh> yknott:?
[09:54] <yknott> Andeh: and for gnu/linux, i have the mobility 9600, which i can use the generic ati driver or the fglrx driver
[09:54] <yknott> i am not sure if the radeon mobility 9200 fits under that too
[09:54] <Andeh> yknott: I tried the lowest one i could find but it messed up X...
[09:54] <Cosmoboy> yknott: any idea?
[09:55] <innernaut> andeh:  yes, but for some reason, when I convert my document from docx to doc and load the doc in word 2003, it isn't properly formatted...  so I am hoping a conversion to pdf will yield an accurate conversion
[09:56] <Andeh> innernaut: Exporting to PDF leaves the document exactly as it is, so if it looks crap now, the pdf will look crap.
[09:56] <yknott> Cosmoboy: i am not familiar with wifi-radar;
[09:57] <yknott> innernaut: may i know why you are using docx?
[09:57] <Andeh> innernaut: Do you only have access to the docx version?
[09:57] <Andeh> yknott: If innernaut made it, he would have exported it to something more compatible by now. I am guessing it is not his document.
[09:57] <Cosmoboy> yknott: ok...but how can i delete it?
[09:58] <fredo> hello
[09:58] <ozzicle> Anyone have any ideas on a twinview setup that lets me maximize certain programs across both monitors as opposed to just the monitor the window is locate don?
[09:58] <Cosmoboy> i saw in ifconfig I can down any interface I want yknott
[09:58] <Cosmoboy> but with iwconfig I didn't found
[09:58] <Andeh> yknott: Both pages are windows specific (my drivers).
[09:59] <yknott> yeah iwconfig lets you configure the wireless options; ifconfig would let you down/up any of the hardware
[09:59] <yknott> Andeh: yeah, they were both for the windows versions; i thought you mentioned that you could not even get the windows driver for it ;)
[09:59] <Andeh> yknott: "They dont even have windows drivers, LET ALONE LINUX" lol
[09:59] <yknott> :D
[10:00] <Andeh> innernaut: I am reading that DOCX is simply lots of XML files and a doc inside a zip.
[10:00] <Andeh> innernaut: So basically, try renaming your docx to a zip, and open the DOC. It might work, probably will look crap but i reccomend trying
[10:00] <hinesd> mine sayes  when i type setup (hd0,0) it sayes it finds stage 1 but not stage 2
[10:00] <Andeh> innernaut: Rename it to a zip, then open it and look thru the folders for a doc
[10:00] <tidrion> how do I add repositories to adept
[10:00] <tidrion> and is Feisty out for PPC?
[10:01] <yknott> Andeh: which driver are you using now? "ati" ?
[10:01] <Andeh> yknott: OK, i need Mob. Radeon 9200 support under LINUX. Kubuntu.
[10:01] <Andeh> yknott: Driver? I didn't specify anything but the screen is fine (apart from Beryl which has tearing) so i am assuming Ubuntu was smart enough to select the ATI option.
[10:02] <yknott> Andeh: perhaps the regular radeon driver will work for the mobility version, i am not sure though    http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon-prer200.html
[10:02] <yknott> Andeh: so then you already have support for your hardware through the "ati" driver
[10:02] <Andeh> yknott: Yes but acceleration is shit
[10:02] <innernaut> yknot & andeh:  actually it is my resume, I am just using a new template that isn't supported in 2003...  so this thing needs to look perfect...  It prints great from word2007, but i assume most employers who i would send it to are still using word 2003...
[10:02] <Andeh> yknott: lol sorry. I'd prefer anything to speed it up.
[10:03] <Andeh> innernaut: Again, why are you using docx?
[10:03] <innernaut> andeh:  for the new template
[10:03] <Andeh> innernaut: Do you have ONLY linux access now?
[10:03] <yknott> so from word2007 make it into a pdf
[10:04] <Andeh> innernaut: Cause you locked yourself into a Microsopht issue...
[10:04] <innernaut> andeh: no... I have vmware runnning...
[10:04] <yknott> innernaut:  so use pdfcreator on windows
[10:04] <Andeh> innernaut: oh. Vista?
[10:04] <Andeh> lol
[10:04] <innernaut> andeh: no, just xp...
[10:04] <yknott> innernaut: then "print" from word2007 to the pdfcreator printer
[10:04] <Andeh> innernaut: Using Office 2007 right?
[10:04] <yknott> innernaut: which will make a pdf
[10:05] <Andeh> innernaut: Office itself has a PDF creator.
[10:05] <Andeh> innernaut: LOL next time tell us you have office 2007 :-D
[10:06] <Andeh> LOL ATIs program sucks. If i had a $300 graphics card, they would make me buy a worse one and give me a 50 dollar discount :)
[10:06] <innernaut> andeh & yknott: yeah...  It is "not responding"... gotta love the MS error feedback
[10:07] <hinesd> grub> root (hd0,0)
[10:07] <hinesd> grub> setup (hd0,0)
[10:07] <hinesd>  Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... yes
[10:07] <hinesd>  Checking if "/boot/grub/stage2" exists... no
[10:07] <hinesd> Error 25: Disk read error
[10:07] <Andeh> innernaut: ROFL
[10:07] <yknott> innernaut: from office2007 can you not save it as doc (97/2000/xp)?
[10:07] <Andeh> yknott:                                                  The ATI Proprietary Linux driver currently supports                           Radeon 8500 and later AGP or PCI Express graphics products,                           as well as FireGL 8700 and later products.  We do not                           currently plan to include support for any products                           earlier than this. Drivers for earlier                           pr
[10:07] <Andeh> So 9200 mobility will work right?
[10:07] <innernaut> yknott: yes... but when you open the doc in 2003 it still garbles the template
[10:08] <yknott> innernaut: but really for a resume, for control over the page layout, you should be using a page layout program, perhaps scribus
[10:08] <Andeh> yknott: Can't you export it directly to a PDF from Office2007??
[10:08] <innernaut> innernaut:  is that for ubuntu?
[10:08] <Andeh> yknott: Will the thing work then?
[10:08] <yknott> Andeh: i do not know - i thought innernaut replied that he could but that office responds "not responding"
[10:09] <Andeh> yknott: Oh. Um...
[10:09] <yknott> Andeh:  i do not know if it will work, but you could try it anyhow;
[10:09] <innernaut> yknott: not responding issue is true...
[10:09] <innernaut> yknott: it freezes word completely... haha.. what a piece
[10:09] <Andeh> yknott: "Try"ing resulted in 7 times spent reading unix manuals and restoring XORG.CONF backups... LOL...
[10:09] <yknott> well press "Print Screen" save it in ms paint as a bmp, lol :)
[10:10] <yknott> innernaut: so then you may try pdfcreator  pdfcreator.sf.net
[10:10] <innernaut> heheh
[10:10] <Andeh> innernaut: You should run whatever you are running on my hardware... Guarantees weeks of fun...
[10:10] <yknott> Andeh: o so you tried it already and found that the fglrx driver does not work ?
[10:10] <Andeh> innernaut: If your perspective of fun is clicking repeatedly at the END TASK button
[10:10] <yknott> with the mobility 9200?
[10:11] <Andeh> yknott: No, i tried it half a year ago when ATI was a company.
[10:11] <innernaut> andeh: yes...  and don't forget "Send error report?"  ... what rubbish
[10:11] <Andeh> Back then everything they had for linux blew my system up
[10:12] <Andeh> innernaut: Send error report works when my internet is unplugged. Apparently if you DO have internet it checks how crappy your connection is and slows down the simulation accordingly.
[10:12] <Andeh> innernaut: Apparently my schools 30MB/s internet does it faster than this crap.
[10:13] <yknott> Andeh: feel like sharing your X log?
[10:14] <innernaut> andeh:  Oh great...  now windows wants to reboot after claiming it installed the updates I told it not to install... the glory
[10:15] <yknott> Andeh: it appears that the fglrx driver supports MOBILITY RADEON 9200 (M9+ 5C61), MOBILITY RADEON 9200 (M9+ 5C63),
[10:15] <Andeh> innernaut: Oh joy! Now we can sit and happily stare at the rolling bars!!!
[10:15] <Andeh> yknott: Yay. I'm glad ATI got its 3.2 billion and left AMD with the job to not screw my system every time i install drivers!
[10:16] <Andeh> I am very random today
[10:16] <Andeh> So, i'll install this crap shall I?
[10:16] <Andeh> LOL the driver only supports 32 bit linux... oh the glory
[10:17] <Andeh> LOL luckily this is crap hardware from years ago (is 32bit)
[10:17] <yknott> i have the fglrx operating on 64bit
[10:17] <Andeh> yknott: Yes, it supports AMD
[10:18] <yknott> :D
[10:18] <innernaut> andeh & yknott:  found something that could be valuable...  trying it...  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2352335&postcount=3
[10:20] <yknott> innernaut: even if you can read the docx file, that does not mean the import will be flawless
[10:20] <Andeh> If i bought the most expensive dual core availible from intel i would gape in horror at the drivers inability to accelerate my uber crap graphics card.
[10:20] <yknott> innernaut: and one may wonder the degree to which ms has made it so
[10:20] <yknott> Andeh: intel makes dual core graphics chips? ;)
[10:21] <Andeh> yknott: DOC has been around for 12 years and reading is 80% perfect, writing is 60% good.
[10:21] <Andeh> yknott: Dual core PROCESSOR. Using this crappy 9200 graphics card.
[10:21] <yknott> Andeh: nor should it increase the performance of the graphics card
[10:22] <Rictoo> How do I change the resolution at the login screen? Because my normal user resolution is 1280x1024, but kubuntu always puts the login screen at 1600
[10:22] <Rictoo> :\
[10:22] <innernaut> yknott:  I am keeping my fingers crossed
[10:22] <Rictoo> Oh, and my monitor only supports 1280x1024 (highest)
[10:22] <Rictoo> :p
[10:22] <yknott> Andeh: but essentially you want to run beryl ?
[10:23] <Andeh> yknott: Essentially i want to throw this crap at my window. And beryl is too slow for the rest of my PC anyway, so no. I want drivers.
[10:23] <Andeh> Wow that was good
[10:23] <yknott> Andeh: and you have drivers ;)
[10:23] <yknott> Andeh: interesting how beryl is too slow for the rest of your pc, rather than the rest of your pc being too slow for beryl, lol
[10:24] <yknott> Andeh: so it seems you can use the open source "atI" generic driver or the proprietory fglrx driver
[10:24] <Rictoo> How do I change the resolution at the login screen? Because my normal user resolution is 1280x1024, but kubuntu always puts the login screen at 1600
[10:24] <yknott> Rictoo: we caught it the first time, thanks; perhaps you could remove the 1600x so on entries from the xorg.conf file
[10:25] <Rictoo> yknott: There are no 1600x entries in xorg.cong
[10:25] <Rictoo> conf*
[10:26] <yknott> Rictoo: is there not an option to set that from within system settings?   systemsettings
[10:27] <Rictoo> Ah, my mistake, I removed the 1600x from xorg.conf
[10:27] <yknott> Rictoo: ok i see nothing there about screen size
[10:27] <Rictoo> It should work now, thanks :)
[10:27] <yknott> Rictoo: np
[10:27] <yknott> Rictoo: let me know if that helped
[10:27] <Rictoo> sure ;)
[10:28] <Goliath23> hi. does anybody know a dvd-software that can play dvd .iso images?
[10:29] <ulrich> hey gunys
[10:29] <ulrich> guys*
[10:29] <yknott> Goliath23: no but i would guess mplayer or vlc
[10:29] <Rictoo> yknott: Oddly it is still 1600x
[10:29] <Rictoo> :\
[10:30] <yknott> ha ;)
[10:30] <ulrich> okay i have a problem... i cant find my windows applications.. i guess normally they can be found in /home/myname/drive_c/ but it isnt =/
[10:31] <cvill64> hello, has anybody had problems playing h264 encoded files in mkv containers after installing all necessary codecs ?
[10:33] <yknott> Rictoo: not sure, something to do with virtual desktop size?
[10:33] <Goliath23> yknott: cool, vlc does it with menus! great!
[10:34] <seu> salut
[10:36] <leiar> I've never used bluetooth on my laptop. How can I find out if the laptop has got device for bluetooth?
[10:37] <hatekilldestroy> Laptop manual :)
[10:38] <leiar> hatekilldestroy: I know. But then I have to stand up and leave the chair.. Isn't there a command in konsole to find if it is present or not
[10:39] <hatekilldestroy> haha. god forbid you leave your chair. i'm sure there's a command but i don't mind getting up as much as you do :-/
[10:40] <hatekilldestroy> wouldn't ubuntu automatically find it anyways? it would be in a menu or something then.
[10:40] <yknott> Goliath23: awesome ;)
[10:40] <Goliath23> yknott: even .img files
[10:41] <yknott> Goliath23: gotta love the french!
[10:41] <rolnyzx> leiar, what do you want to find?
[10:41] <Goliath23> :)
[10:42] <leiar> rolnyzx: If there is a bluetooth device on my laptop. It doesn't work and it doesn't report any devices in system settings
[10:42] <fdoving> leiar: 'lshw' might give you some hints.
[10:43] <rolnyzx> leiar, can't help :(
[10:43] <yknott> Rictoo: still there?
[10:43] <trakinas> hey there!
[10:43] <yknott> Rictoo: do you see a "virtual" in a display section in the xorg.conf file?
[10:43] <trakinas> I just can't copy a file from a DVD-R to my /home/
[10:43] <fdoving> leiar: 'lshw -short|less' to be able to read it all
[10:44] <trakinas> it says the file isnt accessible
[10:45] <leiar> ok, thanks all (two). No bluetooth on my laptop :-(
[10:45] <trakinas> anyone??
[10:45] <rolnyzx> trakinas, have you mounted the DVD via gui, or via command line?
[10:46] <trakinas> rolnyzx: gui.
[10:46] <rolnyzx> try to do it from the command line
[10:46] <trakinas> KDE auto mounted it. or ivman... whataver it is controlling them...
[10:46] <trakinas> ok
[10:49] <Andeh> LOL ViRgiLiO has internet problems
[10:49] <Andeh> He has connected/disconnected 79 times
[10:49] <Andeh> probably more
[10:50] <rolnyzx> again
[10:50] <rolnyzx> lol
[10:50] <|lostbyte|> Hi, how do i see the prerouting table of iptables ?
[10:50] <Andeh> Ummmm
[10:51] <trakinas> rolnyzx: io eror
[10:51] <trakinas> *error
[10:51] <Andeh> yknott: You here?
[10:51] <trakinas> it mounts, but cant copy
[10:51] <Andeh> Creating directory fglrx-install
[10:51] <Andeh> Verifying archive integrity... All good.
[10:51] <Andeh> Uncompressing ATI Proprietary Linux Driver-8.28.8....Extraction failed.
[10:51] <Andeh> Signal caught, cleaning up
[10:51] <leiar> how do I renew IP adresse on wireless device?
[10:51] <rolnyzx> trakinas, maybe it's scratched
[10:52] <Haffe> Hmmm. Is there any way to make the hibernate script work with the nvidia module?
[10:52] <trakinas> it is an dvdrw... :/
[10:52] <trakinas> used TWO times...
[10:52] <trakinas> you HAVE TO be WRONG. hehehhe
[10:52] <yknott> Andeh: yeah
[10:52] <rolnyzx> maybe it's the DVDdrive
[10:52] <Andeh> Um... i dont think i have enough disk space...
[10:53] <yknott> leiar: dhclient device (such as eth1 or wlan0)
[10:54] <Andeh> yknott!! No space on drive!
[10:54] <yknott> Andeh: well you could find out if enough space is available
[10:54] <trakinas> rolnyzx: i dont think so! i will try another media. (or whatever it is spelled )
[10:54] <yknott> Andeh: so did the fglrx driver consume all of your space? :)
[10:54] <Andeh> 0 bytes lol
[10:54] <Andeh> yknott: It said it was "cleaning up" after failiure
[10:54] <Andeh> so it shouldnt have
[10:55] <Arwen> anyone here using an ATI card with fglrx?
[10:55] <Andeh> Arwen: I am trying...
[10:55] <yknott> Andeh: no i was just thinking you would blame ati anything that was not going well
[10:55] <yknott> Arwen: yes
[10:55] <Andeh> yknott: lol
[10:55] <Arwen> yknott, have you ever had the problem where random blank lines appear on the screen after exiting a fullscreen gl app?
[10:55] <yknott> Arwen: no not yet
[10:55] <Arwen> hmm'
[10:56] <Andeh> yknott: I have 1 GB free space on / (home seperate partit is full)
[10:56] <Andeh> yknott: Can i run it in / ?
[10:57] <Arwen> Andeh, I think it's time to buy a new hard drive :-P
[10:58] <Andeh> arwen: Laptop...
[10:58] <aztun> hi
[10:58] <Arwen> Andeh, bah, you can put new hard drives in a laptop, lol
[10:58] <Andeh> They guaranteed 80 GB but it only came with 30 and 90% of that got eaten by windows which i cant remove cause my mum has too much stuff on it.
[10:58] <Andeh> lol
[10:59] <Arwen> it's true... you can get em on newegg and similar
[10:59] <Andeh> ./ati-installer.sh: 165: Syntax error: Bad substitution
[10:59] <Andeh> yknott: I run the ATI installer and I get THIS!!!
[10:59] <Arwen> up to 200GB only though..
[10:59] <Andeh> It extracts fine tho
[10:59] <Arwen> Andeh, try using "bash ./ati-installer.sh"
[10:59] <sredna> the version of current kmail used by kubuntu is broken
[10:59] <Andeh> I cant beleive the integrity is ok and they have a SYNTAX ERROR!!!
[10:59] <Andeh> oh ok
[10:59] <sredna> the forward functions does not work
[10:59] <Arwen> /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/dash so sometimes stuff breaks
[10:59] <sredna> they replace the email i try to forward to with nonsens
[10:59] <sredna> !"#/()"!#/()))=(/(=)/"!#()=/#"%
[11:00] <yknott> Arwen: thanks
[11:00] <Andeh> No, the ati installer removes the dir :((!
[11:00] <Andeh> ill try running THAT in bash
[11:00] <yknott> Andeh: i usually have the installer create packages rather than installing directly
[11:00] <trakinas> damn... lets try with another dvd...
[11:00] <Andeh> Um... and i do this how?
[11:00] <yknott> Andeh: you should also be able to use the fglrx driver in the repositories
[11:00] <innernaut> andeh:  this docx crap is a bastard...  I am about to redo my resume
[11:00] <yknott> ati-installer --help
[11:01] <Arwen> Andeh, "installerblah.sh --buildpkg Ubuntu/feisty"
[11:01] <aztun> can anyone tell me which driver should I use with nvidia gforce5500?? nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?
[11:01] <yknott> Arwen: exactly
[11:01] <Andeh> yknott: Umm... and you waited 3 and a half hours to tell me this now why?
[11:01] <yknott> lol
[11:01] <Arwen> Andeh, lolz
[11:01] <Arwen> anyway, back to watching Kanon... don't talk to me
[11:02] <Andeh> yknott: No, the bastard .run file gives a syntax error and deletes everything to make sure i cant check what it was...
[11:02] <trakinas> same error... =(
[11:02] <Andeh> AAARGHHH!!!!
[11:02] <Andeh> Ok, what's the frrrrrglexpigley driver package name?
[11:02] <yknott> there is an option to instruct the installer to not delete the tmp folder it makes
[11:02] <trakinas> fuck!
[11:02] <trakinas> sorry..
[11:02] <trakinas> =x
[11:02] <PriceChild> trakinas, No you're not :) Please don't use language like that,
[11:02] <Andeh> yknott: Yes, unless this installer is a gaycrap made by AMD/ATI.
[11:02] <yknott> --keep
[11:03] <Andeh> oh
[11:03] <Andeh> language
[11:03] <Andeh> lol
[11:03] <PriceChild> Andeh, Please watch the language and don't use gay as a derrogatory term.
[11:03] <Andeh> yknott lol who cares just tell me the package please
[11:03] <Andeh> PriceChild: What is derrogatory?
[11:03] <PriceChild> Andeh, bad :)
[11:03] <trakinas> sorry, really... but see... how shoud I feel when you have a drive that look like is not working?
[11:04] <Arwen> Andeh, the way you used "gay". Let's drop it.
[11:04] <Andeh> Gay means happy, which is in turn not rude, and not bad, since people who find happy bad are jumping off skyscrapers anyway. Now what  is the package name?
[11:04] <trakinas> I will try with a film...
[11:04] <Arwen> trakinas, buy a new one? :-)
[11:04] <trakinas> Arwen: it is a new one
[11:04] <trakinas> Pioneer 112
[11:04] <yknott> Andeh: lol
[11:04] <Arwen> trakinas, then ask for a refund?
[11:04] <trakinas> *112D
[11:04] <trakinas> I can't.
[11:04] <Arwen> wow, you got screwed over, lol
[11:04] <Andeh> yknott: lol... please... what is the package name for the flgrphkdgx drivers?
[11:04] <trakinas> bought over internet 3 months ago already.
[11:04] <Andeh> yknott: Spelling lol
[11:04] <trakinas> no warrenty anymore.
[11:05] <yknott> Andeh:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[11:05] <Andeh> lol that messed x up too
[11:05] <jovans> The current Ubuntu official packages update policy (described here) is limited to critical bug fixes, meaning after each release there will be no regular bug fixes or improvement updates. This a good practice for stability purposes specially if you are planning to do an enterprise level support but it also means that until the next release you will not be able to get the latest and greatest software versions for your system.
[11:05] <Andeh> lol this sucks. I'm going to bed now
[11:05] <Arwen> Andeh, xorg-driver-fglrx.... but just installing that won't help
[11:05] <aztun> can anyone tell me which driver should I use with nvidia gforce5500?? nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?
[11:05] <jovans> so what to do using inofficial sources to be upd2date?
[11:05] <Andeh> Arwen: Why, is it just meant to take up disk space?
[11:05] <trakinas> seriously... I can burn, *rip*,  and open dvd's. but I cant copy files to my hd?
[11:05] <ulrich> hey guys... the german channel isnt helpful as always.. does anybody has a good software for the motorola rizr mobile phone?
[11:05] <spark_> aztun:  sry i dont know the glx-new driver just use nvidia.glx
[11:05] <trakinas> weird.
[11:05] <Arwen> Andeh, no, it's just that you have to configure it
[11:05] <Jack3> how do i tell what graphics card i have
[11:06] <Arwen> otherwise, nothing will happen (other than you losing any direct rendering you mighta had if you were using r300)
[11:06] <aztun> Jack3: use lscpi
[11:06] <Andeh> Arwen: I am sleepy. *sleeps*
[11:06] <Arwen> hehe... and I just wanna watch Kanon damn it...
[11:06] <Arwen> STOP TALKING TO ME! :-)
[11:07] <Andeh> Arwen: Are smileys derragotory too?
[11:07] <trakinas> (btw, can I say bullocks?)
[11:07] <Andeh> You look angry yet you used a *YAY* smiley.
[11:07] <Arwen> Andeh, err, let's just drop it?
[11:07] <Andeh> err
[11:07] <Andeh> *sleeps*
[11:07] <Arwen> trakinas, to be fair, nobody really cares if you swear
[11:07] <trakinas> Arwen: just asking.
[11:07] <Andeh> lol
[11:08] <Andeh> yes i got kicked from
[11:08] <yknott> aztun: either or
[11:09] <yknott> aztun: nvigia-glx is provided by either nvidia-glx-legacy or nvidia-glx-new
[11:09] <Andeh> ubuntu
[11:09] <Andeh> lol
[11:09] <Andeh> If i get 8 GB of ram can i load my filesystem into ram and run ubuntu?
[11:09] <Andeh> That sounds like fun
[11:10] <Arwen> Andeh, yeah, that's called a ramdisk
[11:10] <Arwen> still not smart though, lol
[11:10] <Andeh> Arwen: Why? DSL is smart...
[11:11] <Arwen> Andeh, pre-loading your filesystem? err.... then you'd have no RAM left for normal stuff, lol
[11:11] <trakinas> now, I cant open a dvd film i could on gentoo... hmmmm
[11:11] <Andeh> Oh great... i run the restricted manager and get this "you need to install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-ck1"
[11:11] <Andeh> Apt-get doesnt find it!!
[11:12] <trakinas> maybe fstab config?
[11:12] <Andeh> *still trying to install ATI graphic drivers here!*
[11:12] <trakinas> in gentoo it was configure at /dev/hdd
[11:12] <Andeh> Arwen: And with 128 GB of ram no money left for life either!
[11:12] <Arwen> Andeh, hehe :-P
[11:12] <Andeh> Anyone know what to do about this?
[11:13] <Andeh> Oh great... i run the restricted manager and get this "you need to install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-ck1"
[11:13] <Andeh> Apt-get doesnt find it!!
[11:13] <Andeh> That
[11:13] <Andeh> I added a kernel patch that claimed to speed things up
[11:13] <Arwen> Andeh, uh... are you running a weird kernel?
[11:13] <Andeh> ck1 is my kernel
[11:13] <Andeh> and now it wants that package, one that shouldnt exist
[11:13] <Andeh> lol
[11:13] <Andeh> D-:
[11:14] <trakinas> well... I have to go now. time to go to college.
[11:14] <trakinas> cheers all!
[11:14] <Arwen> Andeh, well, that's what you get for building your own kernel :-)
[11:14] <Arwen> speaking of that, that also makes you ineligible for support!
[11:14] <trakinas> good lucky for you all.
[11:14] <Andeh> Arwen: I didnt build it lol, the patch did :P
[11:14] <Andeh> So what do i DO!!?
[11:14] <Andeh> ;O
[11:14] <Andeh> Will all packages do this to me?
[11:14] <Arwen> Andeh, um, yes. Lol
[11:14] <Daisuke_Ido> sucks to be you...
[11:15] <Andeh> Arwen: *cries*
[11:15] <Andeh> So i need to reboot to a less retarded kernel and try again? Sounds simple/
[11:15] <Arwen> we don't like it when people use "retarded" as an insult either, but yeah, get a stock kernel.
[11:15] <Andeh> kernel ck1 "increases responsiveness" ive had 9 crashes since then lol...
[11:16] <Arwen> Andeh, revert. That's what happens when you use custom kernels.
[11:16] <Daisuke_Ido> Andeh: if you feel the need to build your own kernel and tweak it endlessly...  kubuntu's probably not the distro for you
[11:16] <Andeh> Arwen: It was not an insult.  It was a typing mistake from the croatian word retrodiran which means old style homebrew as in non-stock kernels which are used extensively in croatia.
[11:16] <Daisuke_Ido> while you can, it isn't recommended, for all of the above reasons
[11:17] <Andeh> I expected the english word to be similar and remembered this word from movies.
[11:17] <Andeh> But whatever.
[11:17] <Andeh> So i need to reboot,... ok
[11:17] <Andeh> be back in... 10 seconds (lol this kernels not so bad after all)
[11:17] <Andeh> bye
[11:18] <Graham> Hey, could anybody help me with a problem I have? Basicly my microphone, which works, doesn't work in flash player 9, and I don't know why.
[11:18] <Andeh> I chose *buntu because i wanted to learn more about linux the non-hard way
[11:18] <Andeh> Ubuntu is excellent but hardcore linux users seem to prefer debian over it due to more control
[11:19] <Graham> Andeh: They don't, trust me.
[11:19] <Alarm> hello , does anyone know if there is a math application that solves integrals step by step ?
[11:19] <Andeh> Graham: Then that man is not a hardcore user. yay.
[11:19] <Andeh> I need a shower. brb
[11:19] <yknott> hardcore users are still users, or did you mean hackers?
[11:20] <Graham> Andeh: You get the same control over any Linux system, it's just the expirienced users wouldn't be seen dead on a "easy distro"
[11:20] <Graham> Unless they have to use the console 5 times to prove "i can fix linux" then it's the cancer that's killing it.
[11:20] <Andeh> Graham: My point exactly. Well... maybe not, but i meant that too.
[11:21] <Andeh> I make up really complex explenations for anything bad i accidentally did that confuse the accuser and he drops it. Works mostly.
[11:21] <Andeh> Did twice here
[11:21] <Andeh> :D
[11:21] <Andeh> What's a non-easy distro then?
[11:22] <Andeh> That a linux hardcore would be caught dead on
[11:22] <Graham> Slack, Gentoo.
[11:22] <Nostferka> theyre all the same really in hardness
[11:22] <Graham> Gentoo used to be a horrible to install distro, you had to literally do everything yourself, partition, copy, setup users.
[11:22] <Graham> There was litterally a book on installing gentoo.
[11:22] <Nostferka> slack is quite easy now
[11:23] <Andeh> lol
[11:23] <Andeh> my friends first distro was slack
[11:24] <Andeh> :D
[11:24] <Andeh> said it was great
[11:24] <Graham> I think Gentoo has an easy GUI installer now.
[11:24] <Arwen> Gentoo? easy? what has the world come to :-\
[11:24] <yanis> I have Ubuntu.What do I apt-get to install Kubuntu?
[11:24] <Arwen> yanis, kubuntu-desktop
[11:25] <Graham> kubuntu-desktop
[11:25] <Arwen> or kde-core
[11:25] <yknott> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:25] <Nostferka> whats better?
[11:25] <Nostferka> gnome or kde?
[11:25] <Arwen> Nostferka, matter of choice
[11:25] <Graham> KDE!
[11:25] <Nostferka> or x?
[11:25] <Graham> FOR SPRTA!
[11:25] <Arwen> and err, if you wanna use X by itself, um... have fun
[11:25] <Nostferka> i cant tell the difference
[11:25] <yknott> xfce, lol
[11:25] <Nostferka> orryt lol
[11:26] <Graham> x is the program that manages the desktop :)
[11:26] <Arwen> well no. that would be the DE
[11:26] <Arwen> X just creates a framebuffer to draw nice pretty pixels on
[11:26] <Graham> Arwen: You know what I mean!
[11:27] <Graham> The DE uses it to... buffer... stuff...
[11:27] <Kr4t05> Has anyone else ever managed to install Descent 3?
[11:28] <Graham> What the fuck is that?
[11:28] <Sanne> Kr4t05: I have
[11:28] <Kr4t05> Graham: 1, it's a game.
[11:28] <PriceChild> !ohmy | Graham
[11:28] <ubotu> Graham: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:28] <Kr4t05> Second, what ubotu said.
[11:29] <Kr4t05> Sanne: What version?
[11:29] <Kr4t05> (Or Kubuntu)
[11:29] <Kr4t05> of*
[11:29] <Kr4t05> ><
[11:29] <Graham> As much as I could give a flying fuck what ubotu says... don't give me that family friendly crap.
[11:29] <Sanne> Kr4t05: I'm using dapper still
[11:29] <PriceChild> Graham, you either abide by our guidelines or leave :)
[11:29] <Sanne> Graham: please
[11:29] <PriceChild> Graham, We need to keep this work safe and family friendly please :)
[11:29] <Graham> Are you offended?
[11:30] <Kr4t05> Sanne: I keep gettings this: /media/cdrom0/setup.sh: 9: function: not found
[11:30] <n8k99> Jucato ping
[11:30] <Kr4t05> Gr
[11:30] <Graham> Offended, are you?
[11:30] <Kr4t05> Gr
[11:30] <Kr4t05> Ugh...
[11:30] <n8k99> Graham:  yes it is offensive
[11:30] <Graham> Hmmm?
[11:30] <Kr4t05> Graham: Now, you're being a troll.
[11:30] <Graham> Are you offended?
[11:30] <Kr4t05> Stoppit. kthnx.
[11:30] <PriceChild> Graham, > pm please.
[11:31] <Graham> If I was a troll I'd post yiff all over here yelling furfags and pictures of my nob on 4chan
[11:31] <Kr4t05> Graham: Sadly, I understood that phrase...
[11:31] <Sanne> Kr4t05: I had bought the windows version a long time ago and so didn't install from the cd, so I don't know what your problem might be. But I can try to help you find out.
[11:31] <sakabatou> Guys how to recover erased data ?
[11:31] <Arwen> Kr4t05, lol... 4chan is for perverts
[11:31] <Kr4t05> Sanne: That would be great.
[11:32] <PriceChild> !offtopic
[11:32] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:32] <PriceChild> !ohmy
[11:32] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:32] <Kr4t05> lol
[11:32] <Kr4t05> nalioth: High five?
[11:32] <Arwen> huh?
[11:33] <Sanne> Kr4t05: please tell me exactly what you did that caused the error
[11:33] <n8k99> !kops
[11:33] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[11:33] <gnomefreak> n8k99: ?
[11:33] <Kr4t05> Sanne: $ sudo sh /media/cdrom0/setup.sh
[11:33] <Kr4t05> Just that, nothing more.
[11:33] <n8k99> read back Graham comments
[11:34] <Sanne> Kr4t05: what if you use: sudo sh /media/cdrom/setup.sh
[11:34] <nalioth> n8k99: ?
[11:34] <gnomefreak> n8k99: it was taken care of
[11:34] <n8k99> we had a trollish
[11:34] <n8k99> ok thanks
[11:34] <Kr4t05> Sanne: Well, I looked at the script itself... Let me pastebin the offending portion.
[11:34] <Sanne> Kr4t05: ok
[11:35] <basesystem> hello, got a quick question..
[11:35] <Kr4t05> Sanne: http://pastebin.ca/520227
[11:35] <basesystem> anyone knowlegable to answer it? :-)
[11:35] <Sanne> Kr4t05: looking...
[11:35] <Sanne> !ask | basesystem
[11:35] <basesystem> i'm following this tutorial to get kubuntu running on dmraid: http://www.ubuntu-in.org/wiki/SATA_RAID_Howto
[11:36] <ubotu> basesystem: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:38] <Sanne> Kr4t05: hmmm, that doesn't tell me much. If it's possible, I would like to look at the whole script.
[11:39] <Kr4t05> Sanne: http://pastebin.ca/520238 Done
[11:40] <Sanne> Kr4t05: I'm just reading some instructions for installing D3 and it says there should be a loki installer on the cd called loki-installer-descent3.run. Do you have such a file?
[11:40] <Ace2016> Hi all
[11:40] <ubuntu_> erm.. i'm basesystem.. I server-splut
[11:40] <Kr4t05> Sanne: Nada
[11:40] <Sanne> Kr4t05: ok. I'm looking at the script now.
[11:41] <Kr4t05> Geez... Now I know why Linux does have many gamers. :/
[11:41] <ubuntu_> so.. anybody know what I need to install to get the system to boot?
[11:41] <Zeelot> does anyone know how to use thunderbird for hotmail accounts?
[11:41] <Ace2016> how do i install beryl, what repo is it in?  i looked here http://www.beryl-project.org/distros.php but no help, and i did a package search here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages  for unstable, no luck
[11:42] <nalioth> Zeelot: ask uncle google "hotpop"
[11:42] <Kr4t05> !beryl Ace2016
[11:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beryl ace2016 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:42] <Kr4t05> Oops...
[11:42] <Kr4t05> !beryl | Ace2016
[11:42] <ubotu> Ace2016: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:43] <Ace2016> thanks
[11:43] <Ace2016> wrong channel :(
[11:43] <Ace2016> i have beryl in kubuntu already
[11:43] <Kr4t05> Ace2016: In Feisty, you should be able to just install via apt.
[11:43] <Ace2016> i need to find out how to install it in debian sid for my livecd
[11:43] <Kr4t05> oh
[11:44] <Arwen> hey any ops here? what do you do when you're under an attack from proxied hosts?
[11:44] <PriceChild> Arwen, who, where?
[11:44] <nalioth> Arwen: can you be a bit more detailed?
[11:44] <Zeelot> nalioth: hotmail popper?
[11:44] <Arwen> PriceChild, nalioth, sorry, just my personal channel - some guy keeps coming back with different hostnames
[11:44] <nalioth> Zeelot: dunno what it is called, but it gets your POP mail and puts it into mbox format
[11:44] <Ace2016> Kr4t05: well the debian people said they don't even have packages
[11:45] <Zeelot> hotmail popper is not free though
[11:45] <Kr4t05> Ace2016: You'll have to compilie it, most likeyly.
[11:45] <Sanne> Kr4t05: well, the error message doesn't come from the script, it must come from the system. Can you try to cd into the  /media/cdrom/ directory and there do: sudo sh ./setup.sh
[11:45] <Graham> potatoes
[11:45] <nalioth> Zeelot: there are others similar
[11:45] <Ace2016> Kr4t05: yea, hoping to avoid that
[11:45] <Arwen> hotmail popper?
[11:46] <Ace2016> Anyone know any countdown timer app?
[11:46] <Zeelot> nalioth:  well I'm asking if anyone knows of one that works
[11:46] <Arwen> Ace2016, sleep
[11:46] <Ace2016> sleep?
[11:46] <Ace2016> no i mean like a nice flashy count down timer till birthdays and stuff
[11:46] <Arwen> Ace2016, oh, lol... sorry, no idea.
[11:47] <Graham> Ace2016: kmail?
[11:48] <Ace2016> Graham: how would that work?
[11:48] <Graham> Iuno I thought it had a calander
[11:49] <Ace2016> thats kontact
[11:49] <Kr4t05> Sanne: Any luck, yet?
[11:49] <Graham> Well sorry...
[11:49] <Sanne> Kr4t05: well, the error message doesn't come from the script, it must come from the system. Can you try to cd into the  /media/cdrom/ directory and there do: sudo sh ./setup.sh
[11:50] <Kr4t05> Sanne: Yeah, I tried that. Same error.
[11:50] <SeanTater> How is this possible: "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"  ?
[11:50] <SeanTater> I just compiled a program with it a minute ago..
[11:50] <Kr4t05> Sanne: Maybe it's the fact that dash is the default CLI as of Edgy?
[11:50] <Kr4t05> As opposed to bash.
[11:50] <Ace2016> found it kdoomsday
[11:51] <Ace2016> and i only have 49 hours of broadband left :(
[11:51] <gianluca> hi
[11:51] <Kr4t05> Sanne: That did it!
[11:51] <Sanne> Kr4t05: Aaah!! That may be. Hm. As you can't edit the script itself, you could change the symlink manually temporarily.
[11:51] <gianluca> Italian?
[11:51] <Sanne> Kr4t05: ah, you're fast ;)
[11:51] <Kr4t05> Sanne: I executed with 'bash' instead of 'sh'
[11:51] <gianluca> SOME ITALIAN?
[11:51] <Kr4t05> :)
[11:51] <SeanTater> !it > gianluca
[11:51] <Ace2016> bye all, going to make the most of it,  using precious bandwidth,
[11:52] <gianluca> I need an italian
[11:52] <SeanTater> gianluca: go to #kubuntu-it -- I think
[11:52] <Sanne> Kr4t05: oh, that's an even better way! So, I didn't really help you, but I learned what to tell people with similar problems, so thanks :)
[11:52] <gianluca> How?
[11:52] <SeanTater> gianluca: type this in : /join #kubuntu-it
[11:53] <Kr4t05> Sanne: I ran into a similar problem with the proprietary nvidia drivers on edgy. :)
[11:53] <Sanne> Kr4t05: good to knwo also. I read a bit about bash vs dash on launchpad and that there are lots of scripts with "bashisms" that would break with dash.
[12:03] <basesystem2> oh well, nobody could help.. I'll just reboot and prey..
[12:04] <jacek_> jest Polak?
[12:08] <athena> WTF?
[12:09] <Andeh> Hey, whoever told me to go to the restricted drivers panel to install my ATI drivers, it says i dont need any
[12:09] <Andeh> so they are already installed?
[12:09] <Andeh> Cause if they are, they suck
[12:09] <Andeh> lol
[12:10] <josnier> hola
[12:10] <bcasanov> Hola
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> Andeh: ati and linux aren't friends
[12:11] <athena> ATI and Windows aren't friends either o.O
[12:11] <mhb> hi folks, I'm having a bit of a problem. I'm trying to run X apps in a chrooted environment, but they refuse to access the X server even though I ran "xhost +" earlier...
[12:12] <Andeh> Daisuke_Ido: Woot.
[12:13] <Andeh> athena: I spent days finding drivers after a reinstall :D
[12:13] <Andeh> windows that isd
[12:13] <Andeh> is*
[12:13] <athena> meh, the only driver I need for Windows is display :-\
[12:13] <athena> all the rest are part of my install CD
[12:13] <Andeh> lol
[12:14] <fdoving> mhb: might want to start an ssh server inside that chroot, and ssh in, with xforwarding enabled. then run x apps.
[12:14] <space_ninja> is kde 4 finished?
[12:14] <fdoving> space_ninja: no.