| ubotu | New bug: #117460 in launchpad "Linking to upstream bugs is counter-intuitive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117460 | 12:40 |
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| elmo | mwh: are you looking after loggerhead yet? | 12:41 |
| mwh | elmo: to some extent, i'm not sure how much i'm supposed to be looking after the running of it | 12:49 |
| mwh | elmo: is it wedged again? | 12:49 |
| elmo | mwh: well, it was using 1.5Gb of RSS memory which was causing the box to thrash | 12:49 |
| elmo | but since I asked it seems to have calmed down | 12:49 |
| mwh | someone was probably looking at the inventory view | 12:50 |
| mwh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/loggerhead/+bug/116869 | 12:51 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 116869 in loggerhead "viewing the file listing consumes a lot memory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 12:51 |
| mwh | it's on the list of things to look at this week | 12:52 |
| elmo | k | 12:53 |
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| ASCIIGirl | hello world! I found this --> "Fixed in RF 4082" closing a bug, can anybody tell me what RF refers to? , appears on bug #70074 | 05:35 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 70074 in rosetta "Add direct link downloads" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70074 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos) | 05:35 |
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| LaserJock | I *think* the RF is something like a revision # | 05:40 |
| ASCIIGirl | LaserJock, any idea if ubuntu has something like a dictionary of those words? cause I been googling and checking the wiki without finding anything useful :( | 05:42 |
| LaserJock | well, it isn't Ubuntu-specific | 05:43 |
| LaserJock | and it's an internal thing | 05:43 |
| ASCIIGirl | aw that makes my search a bit more difficult :-) | 05:43 |
| ASCIIGirl | anyway, thanks LaserJock | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | you could email launchpad-users mailing list | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | that might be a good way to draw attention to the issue ;-) | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | ah, or ask Fujitsu ;-) | 05:45 |
| ASCIIGirl | heheheh..so means rocket fuel.... :) | 05:47 |
| thumper | ASCIIGirl: yes it means rocketfuel | 05:51 |
| thumper | and the number is the bzr revision number for our main development branch | 05:51 |
| ASCIIGirl | thumper, on this bug just says a "fix released" and speaks about few problems on the same bug... | 05:55 |
| ASCIIGirl | I would like to know which of the problems of that bugs were fixed on that revision and which was the solution given...any idea where I can find that? | 05:55 |
| LaserJock | if it's marked Fix Released then the bug should be fixed with that revision | 05:56 |
| Fujitsu | Fix Released is when that revision hits production. | 05:57 |
| Fujitsu | Fix Committed is when it's committed to rocketfuel. | 05:57 |
| ASCIIGirl | the point is that on the bug tells about 2 steps....that means both steps were implemented? | 05:58 |
| stub | ASCIIGirl: A fix released bug should mean all issues with this bug have been dealt with and all relevant changes are running on the production systems. | 06:07 |
| ASCIIGirl | stub, thanks ... | 06:07 |
| stub | ASCIIGirl: If that is not the case, then someone made a mistake or was not clear enough (eg. I'm opening up a new bug on this seperate issue) | 06:08 |
| ASCIIGirl | stub Im checking in rosetta if the 2nd step of the bug its also fixed... | 06:09 |
| ASCIIGirl | if there is any rosetta expert around: is it possible to do daily exports so upstream can fetch translations automatically? | 06:13 |
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| thumper | lifeless: ping | 08:02 |
| thumper | lifeless: AU reviewers meeting? | 08:02 |
| jml | review my branch, reviewers | 08:03 |
| lifeless | thumper: Mondays... | 08:43 |
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| `23meg | has anyone run into upstream project being incorrectly filled in as "rebuntu" when marking a bug as affecting upstream? looks like a bug. | 08:46 |
| `23meg | looks like specific to gnome-terminal | 08:49 |
| LaserJock | I've seen some things with rebuntu | 08:50 |
| thumper | lifeless: last week we moved it to Tuesday and updated the wiki | 08:50 |
| crimsun | no, it has struck every instance that I tried yesterday, but I wasn't able to follow through | 08:50 |
| crimsun | (the whole mantis isn't supported yet) | 08:50 |
| `23meg | LaserJock, I think the upstream product for gnome-terminal incorrectly points to rebuntu when marking as affects upstream | 08:51 |
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| lifeless | thumper: oh!. what time tuesdays ? | 08:56 |
| Fujitsu | `23meg: Right, the creator the rebuntu project assigned it as upstream for a number of Ubuntu packages. There's no UI to reverse that at the moment. | 09:03 |
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| === `23meg is reporting | ||
| `23meg | thanks Fujitsu | 09:04 |
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| carlos | morning | 09:11 |
| Fujitsu | Hi carlos. | 09:11 |
| beuno | mornin' carlos | 09:12 |
| beuno | how are you today? | 09:12 |
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| carlos | beuno: fine thanks, and you? | 09:13 |
| beuno | pretty good, getting ready to go to sleep | 09:13 |
| beuno | I've been working on some new rosetta specs, so expect to have a bigger queue pretty soon :D | 09:14 |
| `23meg | bug #117494 filed :) | 09:21 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 117494 in launchpad "Rebuntu incorrectly marked as upstream for some Ubuntu packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117494 | 09:21 |
| thumper | lifeless: 06:00 UTC | 09:23 |
| ubotu | New bug: #117494 in launchpad "Rebuntu incorrectly marked as upstream for some Ubuntu packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117494 | 09:25 |
| beuno | I'm off, night everyone | 09:26 |
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| lifeless | thumper: ok, I can do that. I do think its nice to have the convenor of the meeting present when its rescheduled though :) | 09:34 |
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| thumper | lifeless: yeah, sorry | 09:58 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #117508 in rosetta "Last translator field should handle accounts without email address" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117508 | 11:05 |
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| beuno | carlos: I'm triaging some rosetta bugs, trying to clean it up a bit, should I be doing this, or does this fall upon the launchpad devs exclusively? | 11:14 |
| carlos | beuno: any help is welcome. We do it from time to time | 11:15 |
| carlos | as long as you don't do weird things... you are free to help there too :-9 | 11:16 |
| carlos | :-) | 11:16 |
| beuno | ok, great, I'm drafting up a few specs, and I want to relate them to existing bugs/specs, but I keep bumping into duplicate bug reports, or some that just don't seem to apply anymore | 11:16 |
| beuno | (including 2 bugs I had reported a while back) | 11:16 |
| beuno | so I figured why not tidy that a bit while I'm at it | 11:17 |
| carlos | feel free to ask us if you have doubts about any of those | 11:17 |
| carlos | beuno: and thanks for your help | 11:17 |
| beuno | carlos: my pleasure, we all use rosetta, so I guess we should give back a bit anyway | 11:18 |
| beuno | if you can take a look at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/39291 | 11:18 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 39291 in rosetta "status bar on package listing wrong" [Medium,Confirmed] | 11:18 |
| beuno | I marked 3 of them duplicates to that bug | 11:19 |
| carlos | beuno: I guess it would be a duplicate, yes | 11:26 |
| carlos | either that or a bug in statistics that is already fixed | 11:26 |
| beuno | one last bug, then I'm off to work on my spec, https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/20 seems to be in place, right? | 11:28 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 20 in rosetta "Sort translatable applications with most-wanted translations first" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos) | 11:28 |
| carlos | beuno: we have priorities for templates | 11:29 |
| carlos | but that request goes further | 11:29 |
| carlos | I don't think we could say it's fixed | 11:29 |
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| beuno | right, I'll stay out of bugs that go that deep then | 11:30 |
| beuno | thanks carlos :D | 11:30 |
| carlos | np | 11:30 |
| beuno | <nag> I did get a bit frustrated that I run into so many specs located in Launchpad's wiki and can't access them </nag> | 11:30 |
| beuno | carlos: searching through the specs, I found one that is very similar to what I'm working on (again, can't be certain since I can't actually *see* it), does it make sense to draft it up considering I can't edit/see the current one? what are my options? | 11:42 |
| carlos | tell me the spec you are writing and I would be able to tell you whether is the same or not | 11:43 |
| beuno | (most of this is coming after a talk I gave on launchpad, and a profesional translator approached me and we talked for about half an hour about how to improve it) | 11:43 |
| carlos | we cannot publish our specs right now, but you can talk about that with kiko or SteveA | 11:43 |
| beuno | I'm referring to: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/rosetta-word-lists | 11:43 |
| beuno | the basic idea is for each language team to have a list of "prefered" words, so we can have some uniformity across packages | 11:44 |
| carlos | beuno: that spec is empty and we didn't write it yet | 11:45 |
| beuno | if that word would be on the string to translate, the pre-set translation recommendation should be suggested somewhere | 11:45 |
| carlos | if you want to draft it, you can do it on wiki.ubuntu.com and update the link to yours (or ask me to do it if you don't have enough rights) | 11:45 |
| beuno | carlos: great, I'll draft it then and add the link to the whiteboard so you can edit it in (I can't change it, I just checked), does that work? | 11:47 |
| carlos | yeah | 11:48 |
| carlos | I just removed the link to the empty one | 11:48 |
| beuno | thanks :D | 11:48 |
| beuno | just curious, what would give me rights to edit it? to be set as a drafter? | 11:49 |
| carlos | beuno: I think you need to be the owner of the project | 11:51 |
| carlos | like I'm | 11:51 |
| carlos | anyway, let me set you as the drafter | 11:51 |
| beuno | carlos: thanks again, I'll let you work now and start the draft on the wiki | 11:52 |
| carlos | beuno: you are now the drafter, check whether you have permissions now | 11:52 |
| beuno | carlos: yes I can :D | 11:53 |
| carlos | :-) | 11:53 |
| beuno | ok, so that's what I'll be bothering you next | 11:53 |
| beuno | :p | 11:53 |
| carlos | enjoy! :-) | 11:54 |
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| mpt | Gooooooooooooood evening Launchpadders! | 12:31 |
| Hobbsee | heya mpt | 12:33 |
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| mpt | crud, just got a "Fobidden" error that I shouldn't have, but I can't reproduce it | 01:04 |
| sacater | whats being done about the ansewrs bug :( | 01:29 |
| mpt | sacater, there are 47 Answers bugs. Which one are you referring to? | 01:29 |
| sacater | mpt: the one where you enter nothing and you get an OOPS when you click 'find answers' | 01:30 |
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| mpt | oh | 01:30 |
| ubotu | New bug: #117525 in launchpad-answers "Retargeting and setting whiteboard are forbidden when done simultaneously" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117525 | 01:30 |
| mpt | ^^^ that's the 47th | 01:30 |
| Hobbsee | mpt: you're supposed to be able to mindread. | 01:32 |
| mpt | I should have read the job description more closely | 01:36 |
| Hobbsee | indeed. | 01:37 |
| mpt | sacater, according to the bug report, it's been fixed in the code, so it'll be fixed on launchpad.net in a couple of weeks | 01:42 |
| sacater | :o | 01:42 |
| sacater | how many... | 01:43 |
| mpt | It seems like doing an empty search is a pretty easy thing to avoid, though | 01:43 |
| mpt | in the meantime | 01:43 |
| mpt | oh | 01:43 |
| mpt | Does it happen when searching for (for example) all the Needs Info questions? | 01:43 |
| mpt | hmm, no, those controls aren't available on that page | 01:44 |
| mpt | So the problem doesn't occur when you specify a project | 01:46 |
| mpt | It doesn't occur on a project's Answers page | 01:46 |
| mpt | It occurs only if you search for nothing at all on https://answers.launchpad.net/ | 01:46 |
| beuno | sacater: launchpad is normally updated on tuesdays, so unless the fix creates problems in other places, it's probable that it will land by next week (unless mpt says differently) :p | 01:46 |
| mpt | I can't think of a reason for doing that | 01:46 |
| mpt | Not saying that it shouldn't be fixed (it will be), just that it doesn't seem urgent. | 01:47 |
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| cprov-fud | morning, guys. | 01:49 |
| carlos | beuno: that's not true anymore | 01:59 |
| carlos | beuno: we are doing an update once per month, usually third Thursday of the week (although it would change depending on the cycle) | 02:01 |
| carlos | we started with that this month | 02:01 |
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| mpt | matsubara, hi, you called me while I was asleep | 02:04 |
| carlos | cprov-fud: morning | 02:05 |
| matsubara | mpt: hello matthew | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | mpt: new form of alarm. | 02:05 |
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| matsubara | mpt: so, I was trying to get the ies4linux to work | 02:05 |
| matsubara | mpt: is there any special trick to make the rendering work? (I installed it fine, but it doesn't render the page) | 02:05 |
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| siretart | cprov: is it possible that the ppa chroots have only 'main' activated? | 02:11 |
| siretart | cprov: ffmpeg is still waiting for liba52-0.7.4-dev, again. and that should be available in gutsy/universe | 02:11 |
| cprov | siretart: yes, you were *victim* of ogre-component algorithm (sources in main can only build-depend on main and so on ...) | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: are they open to all of ubuntu-dev, or just specific people? | 02:14 |
| siretart | Hobbsee: you need to ask this cprov | 02:18 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: ^ | 02:18 |
| siretart | cprov: so I cannot do anything about it? | 02:18 |
| siretart | hm. okay, then I need to look for something else | 02:19 |
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| cprov | siretart: you can re-upload the package to 'universe' | 02:21 |
| beuno | carlos: good to know, I'll have to update a few slides for that | 02:21 |
| siretart | cprov: sorry? how to do that? | 02:23 |
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| siretart | cprov: you mean uploading to "~siretart/ubuntu/gutsy/universe"? | 02:24 |
| mpt | matsubara, I didn't do anything special | 02:24 |
| mpt | Sorry I don't know what your problem might be there | 02:24 |
| cprov | siretart: nope, you have to change the package section metadata 'universe/devel' | 02:24 |
| mpt | matsubara, unless you have Desktop Effects turned on (just a guess, haven't tried it) | 02:25 |
| mpt | carlos, will this be the earliest in the release cycle that translations have opened for any Ubuntu release? | 02:26 |
| carlos | mpt: indeed | 02:26 |
| mpt | That's cool! | 02:26 |
| mpt | That should make life a lot easier for LOTE Ubuntu users | 02:26 |
| matsubara | mpt: well, I'm using the beta version. I'll read documentation and see if I can find anything. thanks anyway. | 02:27 |
| mpt | Well done, sir | 02:27 |
| carlos | s/sir/team/ | 02:27 |
| carlos | ;-) | 02:27 |
| mpt | indeed | 02:27 |
| siretart | cprov: oh. that sounds great. thanks | 02:28 |
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| kiko | cprov, might be interesting to allow overriding component via the directory as well | 02:40 |
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| Hobbsee | heya kiko! | 02:40 |
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| kiko | hey Hobbsee | 02:40 |
| kiko | nice to hear you around | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: hear me around? *didnt think she'd been stomping* | 02:40 |
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| kiko | Hobbsee, these electrons make a lot of noise | 02:41 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:41 |
| cprov | kiko: it's possible | 02:41 |
| kiko | cprov, dunno if we actually want to. might be something to ask our users, distro guys and sabdfl | 02:42 |
| cprov | kiko: since we are catching users too often with "ogre" trap | 02:42 |
| kiko | cprov, why are they uploading to main? ah, they don't provide a component in the Section: line, right? | 02:43 |
| kiko | slightly tricky | 02:43 |
| kiko | I think components for PPAs are bong anyway | 02:43 |
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| cprov | kiko: well, they have to cope with it if they are intended to fit in ubuntu | 02:43 |
| cprov | kiko: but I understand that they are two different concerns (to work vs. to fit in ubuntu) | 02:44 |
| kiko | cprov, right, but then during the NSS step they'd get a component overridden in. | 02:45 |
| cprov | kiko: yes, and that might make the source FTBFS since we force 'ogre' | 02:47 |
| kiko | oh, because the section in the DSC won't match. you're right. | 02:47 |
| cprov | kiko: that too, the main problem is that it won't build again in ubuntu because it doesn't respect ogre (main can only build-dep on other main, and so on ) | 02:48 |
| kiko | it might not, right | 02:49 |
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| kiko | Fujitsu, we probably won't offer overrides. removals will be done initially via admin request, and then you'll have a UI for doing it | 02:55 |
| cprov | Fujitsu: via the web UI | 02:55 |
| Fujitsu | What will happen if something from Debian is uploaded with component contrib or non-free? | 02:56 |
| kiko | Fujitsu, it will be rejected. it should be changed before uploading. | 02:57 |
| Fujitsu | Hmm... | 02:57 |
| kiko | I don't like that very much though | 02:57 |
| kiko | I think we should consider components more carefully for PPA | 02:57 |
| Fujitsu | That means introducing more changes, which is somewhat silly. | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: did you come to any conclusions on what you said you'd have to go and think about, with the bugs at UDS? | 02:59 |
| === Hobbsee is curious, now | ||
| kiko | Hobbsee, I did list a large number of enhancements for BjornT to consider | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: are they public? | 03:00 |
| kiko | I could make them public | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | that'd be interesting to see, at least. | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | even if you dont want input on them | 03:01 |
| kiko | I'll email you the wikitext | 03:01 |
| kiko | hang on | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | great :) | 03:02 |
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| seb128 | hi | 03:02 |
| seb128 | kiko: any news on the "rebuntu" tasks hijack? | 03:03 |
| kiko | seb128, I'm going to sort it out today. | 03:03 |
| seb128 | cool | 03:03 |
| kiko | I contacted the guy and wanted to wait for him to reply | 03:03 |
| kiko | but now I say boo | 03:03 |
| seb128 | right | 03:05 |
| === Hobbsee reads | ||
| seb128 | Hobbsee: what do you read? | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: possible enhancements for LP. was from before you came in | 03:09 |
| seb128 | ah, k | 03:09 |
| seb128 | URL? ;) | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: all looks sane, except = Collapsing all bug comments = | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: via email | 03:11 |
| seb128 | k | 03:11 |
| kiko | seb128, https://launchpad.canonical.com/SevillaBugTrackerProposals#preview | 03:12 |
| kiko | Hobbsee, I like collapsing all bug comments, though | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: they're annoying to open all of them - particularly if there are lots | 03:13 |
| kiko | Hobbsee, they'd be all collapsed at once | 03:13 |
| kiko | I guess I need to clarify that in the spec | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | one of the blogs i sometimes read did that - the screams *still* havent stopped, and it was changed a month or so ago. | 03:13 |
| kiko | a single twistie for the whole comment section | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | ah right. not quite so evil then. | 03:13 |
| seb128 | if you collapse comments please make possible to change the default | 03:14 |
| kiko | To make bug reports more concise, we could collapse all the bug comments and the comment field. Comments would be collapsed using a single twisty, meaning that they would either all be collapsed or all be uncollapsed (this does not address the deletion/hiding of specific comments). | 03:15 |
| seb128 | or that would mean one extra click every time triagers open a bug | 03:15 |
| kiko | seb128, the default would be persistent, yes. | 03:15 |
| seb128 | good | 03:15 |
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| mpt | kiko, I'm not sure that "concise" is quite what you mean there | 03:32 |
| mpt | It wouldn't be reducing the amount anyone had to read | 03:32 |
| mpt | s/had/needed/ | 03:32 |
| kiko | mpt, they can choose to not read the comments if they don't want to. | 03:32 |
| kiko | I don't think the use of "concise" is mine but whatever | 03:33 |
| mpt | People can already choose not to read them. :-) | 03:33 |
| kiko | mpt, not really | 03:33 |
| kiko | I mean, try not reading the comments in bug #1 | 03:33 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 - Assigned to Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl) | 03:33 |
| Spads | the load time for that bug is pretty impressive | 03:34 |
| mpt | I think the #1 beneficial way of decreasing the number of comments people have to read would be making editing the description more obvious and quicker to do. | 03:34 |
| mpt | But if you're the relevant developer, I think not reading a comment that's already posted is safe only if someone you trust has already marked that particular comment as not being relevant. | 03:39 |
| mpt | (I dare you to diagram that sentence!) | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | i'd love to see a different colour for posters in ~ubuntu-dev or something | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | particularly for kernel bugs, with a lot of traffic | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | no idea fi that's feasible - but if you're kicking around new ideas... | 03:41 |
| kiko | Hobbsee, we're working on that | 03:42 |
| mpt | It is feasible, we're considering something similar for Answers | 03:42 |
| Hobbsee | it's very hard to see who's official, and who's not, seeing as they're all offering advice, saying it must be fixed immediately, etc | 03:42 |
| Hobbsee | ah, great. | 03:42 |
| mpt | also highlighting the reporter | 03:42 |
| mpt | (comments from them, I mean) | 03:42 |
| === Fujitsu wonders if we can have "Affects, but doesn't need fixing in" tasks at some point. | ||
| kiko | Fujitsu, you mean rejected/wontfix? | 03:44 |
| Fujitsu | kiko: No, as in the bug manifests itself in this package primarily, but is in fact a bug elsewhere. I don't want the task in that package open as such, as it's not a bug there. But it should be visible as people will look for it there. | 03:45 |
| kiko | Fujitsu, in a single word? :-) | 03:46 |
| Fujitsu | No idea. | 03:47 |
| kiko | SEP!!! | 03:48 |
| Fujitsu | Heheh, yes! | 03:48 |
| mpt | Fujitsu, so you want "Not For Us" | 03:48 |
| kiko | mpt, it's more SEP than NFU | 03:48 |
| kiko | NOP | 03:48 |
| mpt | SEP? | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | ooh, i want a SEP!!!! | 03:48 |
| Fujitsu | mpt: Not quite. kiko: Right. | 03:48 |
| kiko | someone else's problem | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | mpt: Someone Else's Problem | 03:48 |
| kiko | not our problem | 03:48 |
| kiko | etc | 03:48 |
| mpt | oh | 03:49 |
| === Hobbsee definetly wants a wontfix too, as kde is using that a fair bit at the moment | ||
| highvoltage | what is SEP? | 03:49 |
| mpt | I want fewer bug statuses | 03:49 |
| highvoltage | ah, I get it | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | highvoltage: see 5&6 lines up | 03:49 |
| highvoltage | someone elses problem | 03:49 |
| Fujitsu | mpt: But I want to be able to handle this use case. | 03:49 |
| mpt | I understand | 03:50 |
| mpt | because it'll reduce duplicates | 03:50 |
| mpt | We had a long long discussion about what this status should be called | 03:51 |
| mpt | I don't remember anyone suggesting SEP | 03:51 |
| mpt | though | 03:51 |
| mpt | bug 36059 | 03:51 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 36059 in malone ""Rejected" should be split into "Not a Bug" and "Not For Us"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36059 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) | 03:51 |
| Fujitsu | I've seen that. | 03:51 |
| kiko | mpt, Not For Us is slightly different | 03:51 |
| Fujitsu | But NFU is somewhat different. | 03:51 |
| mpt | But then Ubuntu's Mozilla team disillusioned me | 03:51 |
| mpt | How is it different? | 03:52 |
| kiko | it means that we /could/ fix the problem but we don't want to | 03:52 |
| kiko | whereas in this cas | 03:52 |
| Fujitsu | Right. | 03:52 |
| kiko | e it means that the problem needs to be fixed somewhere else | 03:52 |
| kiko | for us to benefit | 03:52 |
| mpt | I'm not really interested in a difference in meaning | 03:52 |
| mpt | I'm interested in a difference in use case | 03:52 |
| mpt | in effect, I mean | 03:52 |
| kiko | I just explained though | 03:52 |
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| mpt | Is there a listing on which Not For Us bugs should appear but Seomeone Else's Problem bugs should not, or vice versa? | 03:52 |
| kiko | it depends | 03:53 |
| kiko | you could say there's a useful listing of things broken in X that depend on work done elsewhere | 03:53 |
| mpt | SEP is included in my definition of NFU in the bug report: "for example, it should be fixed in a toolkit or kernel instead" | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | have 2 categories of bugs, easy for developers to split. "fixable in $product" and "not for us" | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | or whatever | 03:54 |
| mpt | kiko, you could get that with an advanced search (which could be a canned search, even) | 03:55 |
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| kiko | mpt, yeah.. I don't care so much TBH. | 03:55 |
| mpt | In the SearchingBugs-spec syntax, it would be "status:not-for-us elsewhere:open" | 03:55 |
| kiko | ah right | 03:57 |
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| johan | Hi. Is codebrowse.launchpad.net known to be down ? | 04:44 |
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| matsubara | the man has arrived. mthaddon: <johan> Hi. Is codebrowse.launchpad.net known to be down ? | 04:46 |
| mthaddon | matsubara: yes, restarting it now | 04:46 |
| matsubara | mthaddon: thank you | 04:46 |
| johan | thanks! | 04:46 |
| mthaddon | ok, should be working now | 04:47 |
| johan | yeah, seems to be working, excellent | 04:47 |
| mwhudson | grumble | 04:47 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #117565 in launchpad-bazaar "Seems to use URL quoting instead of HTML in links" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117565 | 05:20 |
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| LaserJock | hi kiko | 08:11 |
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| kiko | hey LaserJock | 08:14 |
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| carlos | good night! | 09:31 |
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| kiko | siretart, ping? | 09:50 |
| siretart | kiko: pong | 09:50 |
| siretart | these ppa's are giving me headaches... | 09:50 |
| kiko | siretart, did you do https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rats/+bug/63561/comments/8 yourself? | 09:50 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 63561 in rats "Segmentation fault when auditing code" [Undecided,Fix released] | 09:50 |
| kiko | siretart, or was it done through changelog-closes-bug? | 09:50 |
| siretart | kiko: this was done via changelog-closes-bug. | 09:51 |
| kiko | siretart, you are a genius! I love you | 09:51 |
| siretart | kiko: I'm using it now in every upload :) | 09:51 |
| kiko | ROCK ON! | 09:51 |
| === siretart hugs kiko | ||
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| LaserJock | siretart: wow, awesome | 10:00 |
| siretart | LaserJock: can you add the following to your sources.list: | 10:01 |
| siretart | deb http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/siretart/ubuntu gutsy main universe multiverse | 10:01 |
| siretart | deb-src http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/siretart/ubuntu gutsy main universe multiverse | 10:01 |
| siretart | and check if you have the package emacs-snapshot-common with version 1:20070521-1 in your apt-cache? | 10:01 |
| siretart | It doesn't show up for me, but it does appear in http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/siretart/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz | 10:02 |
| siretart | cprov: ^^^ | 10:02 |
| cprov | siretart: one sec | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | siretart: yes, I've got it | 10:04 |
| kiko | siretart, thanks for testing, I really appreciate it | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | mantha@luck:~$ apt-cache madison emacs-snapshot-common | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | emacs-snapshot-common | 1:20070521-1 | http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net gutsy/main Packages | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | emacs-snapshot-common | 1:20070302-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | emacs-snapshot | 1:20070302-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Sources | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | emacs-snapshot | 1:20070521-1 | http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net gutsy/main Sources | 10:05 |
| siretart | LaserJock: are you on i386 or amd64? | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | i386 | 10:05 |
| siretart | I'm on amd64, and only see the version from archive.ubuntu.com, not the one from dogfood | 10:06 |
| cprov | siretart: 1:20070521-1 0 | 10:06 |
| cprov | 500 http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net gutsy/main Packages | 10:06 |
| siretart | cprov: amd64 or i386? | 10:06 |
| cprov | siretart: i386 | 10:06 |
| siretart | please try on amd64 | 10:06 |
| cprov | siretart: not | 10:07 |
| siretart | cprov: puh, then the problem is (at least) not on my side :) | 10:08 |
| geser | siretart: apt-cache madison on amd64 lists only the source for emacs-snapshot-common but not the binaries | 10:08 |
| siretart | which is why I cannot install emacs-snapshot :/ | 10:09 |
| geser | but I've a file /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net_siretart_ubuntu_dists_gutsy_main_binary-amd64_Packages | 10:09 |
| siretart | interesting. there, I get the package version in question | 10:10 |
| siretart | what the heck is going on here? | 10:10 |
| geser | and Package: emacs-snapshot-common has Architecture: i386 | 10:10 |
| geser | apt-cache policy emacs-snapshot-gtk lists also your ppa version | 10:11 |
| geser | that package is listed with Architecture: amd64 | 10:12 |
| siretart | geser: hmmm. it should be arch: all | 10:13 |
| siretart | cprov? can you imagine whats wrong here? | 10:13 |
| siretart | wow. manually fiddling in /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net_siretart_ubuntu_dists_gutsy_main_binary-amd64_Packages indeed helps | 10:14 |
| siretart | geser: good eye, http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/siretart/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz is indeed fishy | 10:14 |
| cprov | siretart: well, it's quite possible that I'm generating the index in the wrong way | 10:15 |
| cprov | siretart: geser: why should it be 'all' ? | 10:15 |
| siretart | cprov: because it is an architecture: all package | 10:16 |
| siretart | cprov: Filename: pool/main/e/emacs-snapshot/emacs-snapshot-el_20070521-1_all.deb | 10:16 |
| siretart | (pasted from the Packages.gz file) | 10:16 |
| cprov | whole cow, you're right .. I'm annotating the arch where it was built, i386 | 10:17 |
| cprov | siretart: ok, can you file a bug about it | 10:17 |
| cprov | s\whole\holly ... | 10:18 |
| kiko | holy | 10:18 |
| kiko | :) | 10:18 |
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| LaserJock | and here I thought PPA was perfect | 10:19 |
| LaserJock | all my hopes have been shattered ;-) | 10:19 |
| cprov | LaserJock: come one, I'm glad that it's such simple bug | 10:22 |
| cprov | LaserJock: i can fix it in a minute. | 10:22 |
| siretart | cprov: you still want a bug about that? against what? | 10:24 |
| cprov | siretart: soyuz | 10:25 |
| siretart | k | 10:25 |
| cprov | siretart: thanks a lot for identifying this. | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | \o/ for testing :-) | 10:29 |
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| cprov-out | LaserJock: indeed | 10:29 |
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| asabil | hello all | 10:32 |
| asabil | does launchpad provide any sort of wiki ? | 10:32 |
| siretart | cprov-out: I think this is https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/40096 | 10:40 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 40096 in soyuz "do not show architecture 'all' builds as i386" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Diogo Matsubara (matsubara) | 10:40 |
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| cprov-out | siretart: not really, we have a much more specific issues like 'PPA archive indexes do not properly list architeture-independent package' | 10:42 |
| siretart | cprov-out: filed as https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/117625 | 10:43 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 117625 in soyuz "architecutre: all packages appear as architecture: i386 packages in Packages.gz" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 10:43 |
| cprov-out | siretart: perfect | 10:44 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #117625 in soyuz "architecture: all packages appear as architecture: i386 packages in Packages.gz" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117625 | 10:51 |
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