[12:40] New bug: #117460 in launchpad "Linking to upstream bugs is counter-intuitive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117460 [12:41] mwh: are you looking after loggerhead yet? [12:49] elmo: to some extent, i'm not sure how much i'm supposed to be looking after the running of it [12:49] elmo: is it wedged again? [12:49] mwh: well, it was using 1.5Gb of RSS memory which was causing the box to thrash [12:49] but since I asked it seems to have calmed down [12:50] someone was probably looking at the inventory view [12:51] https://bugs.launchpad.net/loggerhead/+bug/116869 [12:51] Launchpad bug 116869 in loggerhead "viewing the file listing consumes a lot memory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [12:52] it's on the list of things to look at this week [12:53] k === jml [n=jml@121.44.221.16] has joined #launchpad === OGDA [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.108.210.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #launchpad === jcs is now known as jcs-sleep === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db4473d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@121.44.221.16] has joined #launchpad === tokj [n=tk@151.82.0.184] has joined #launchpad === ndim_ [i=hun@193.7.177.249] has joined #launchpad === ndim_ [i=hun@foobar.n-dimensional.de] has joined #launchpad === kiko is now known as kiko-fud === lfittl [n=lfittl@213.129.230.12] has joined #launchpad === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@stwgw.stw.com.au] has joined #launchpad === ndim__ [i=hun@foobar.n-dimensional.de] has joined #launchpad === ndim [n=hun@193.7.177.249] has joined #launchpad === merriam__ [n=merriam@85-211-245-180.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === ndim [i=hun@foobar.n-dimensional.de] has joined #launchpad === tokj [n=tk@151.82.1.12] has joined #launchpad === Martinp23 is now known as Martinp23|Away === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@121.97.250.198] has joined #launchpad === mholthaus_ [n=mholthau@197.145.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === OGDA is now known as BFTD === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.48] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad === ASCIIGirl [n=mlt@debian/developer/mlt] has joined #launchpad [05:35] hello world! I found this --> "Fixed in RF 4082" closing a bug, can anybody tell me what RF refers to? , appears on bug #70074 [05:35] Launchpad bug 70074 in rosetta "Add direct link downloads" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70074 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos) === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.146.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [05:40] I *think* the RF is something like a revision # [05:42] LaserJock, any idea if ubuntu has something like a dictionary of those words? cause I been googling and checking the wiki without finding anything useful :( [05:43] well, it isn't Ubuntu-specific [05:43] and it's an internal thing [05:43] aw that makes my search a bit more difficult :-) [05:44] anyway, thanks LaserJock [05:45] you could email launchpad-users mailing list [05:45] that might be a good way to draw attention to the issue ;-) [05:45] ah, or ask Fujitsu ;-) [05:47] heheheh..so means rocket fuel.... :) [05:51] ASCIIGirl: yes it means rocketfuel [05:51] and the number is the bzr revision number for our main development branch [05:55] thumper, on this bug just says a "fix released" and speaks about few problems on the same bug... [05:55] I would like to know which of the problems of that bugs were fixed on that revision and which was the solution given...any idea where I can find that? [05:56] if it's marked Fix Released then the bug should be fixed with that revision [05:57] Fix Released is when that revision hits production. [05:57] Fix Committed is when it's committed to rocketfuel. [05:58] the point is that on the bug tells about 2 steps....that means both steps were implemented? [06:07] ASCIIGirl: A fix released bug should mean all issues with this bug have been dealt with and all relevant changes are running on the production systems. [06:07] stub, thanks ... [06:08] ASCIIGirl: If that is not the case, then someone made a mistake or was not clear enough (eg. I'm opening up a new bug on this seperate issue) [06:09] stub Im checking in rosetta if the 2nd step of the bug its also fixed... [06:13] if there is any rosetta expert around: is it possible to do daily exports so upstream can fetch translations automatically? === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #launchpad === Martinp23 [n=Martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #launchpad === BFTD [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.221.22.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-131-30.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === samiam [n=samurai@74-134-139-205.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #launchpad === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #launchpad === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #launchpad [08:02] lifeless: ping [08:02] lifeless: AU reviewers meeting? [08:03] review my branch, reviewers [08:43] thumper: Mondays... === allenap [n=gavin@212.233.37.33] has joined #launchpad === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #launchpad [08:46] <`23meg> has anyone run into upstream project being incorrectly filled in as "rebuntu" when marking a bug as affecting upstream? looks like a bug. [08:49] <`23meg> looks like specific to gnome-terminal [08:50] I've seen some things with rebuntu [08:50] lifeless: last week we moved it to Tuesday and updated the wiki [08:50] no, it has struck every instance that I tried yesterday, but I wasn't able to follow through [08:50] (the whole mantis isn't supported yet) [08:51] <`23meg> LaserJock, I think the upstream product for gnome-terminal incorrectly points to rebuntu when marking as affects upstream === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad [08:56] thumper: oh!. what time tuesdays ? [09:03] `23meg: Right, the creator the rebuntu project assigned it as upstream for a number of Ubuntu packages. There's no UI to reverse that at the moment. === beuno feels a bug ready to be reported === `23meg is reporting [09:04] <`23meg> thanks Fujitsu === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #launchpad [09:11] morning [09:11] Hi carlos. [09:12] mornin' carlos [09:12] how are you today? === ASCIIGirl [n=mlt@debian/developer/mlt] has joined #launchpad [09:13] beuno: fine thanks, and you? [09:13] pretty good, getting ready to go to sleep [09:14] I've been working on some new rosetta specs, so expect to have a bigger queue pretty soon :D [09:21] <`23meg> bug #117494 filed :) [09:21] Launchpad bug 117494 in launchpad "Rebuntu incorrectly marked as upstream for some Ubuntu packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117494 [09:23] lifeless: 06:00 UTC [09:25] New bug: #117494 in launchpad "Rebuntu incorrectly marked as upstream for some Ubuntu packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117494 [09:26] I'm off, night everyone === ddaa [n=david@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === mwhudson [n=mwh@62-31-157-102.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [09:34] thumper: ok, I can do that. I do think its nice to have the convenor of the meeting present when its rescheduled though :) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [09:58] lifeless: yeah, sorry === mrevell [n=matthew@canonical/launchpad/mrevell] has joined #launchpad === ndim [i=hun@foobar.n-dimensional.de] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #launchpad === bigjools [n=bigjools@canonical/launchpad/bigjools] has joined #launchpad === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad === oojah [n=roger@cpc1-nott6-0-0-cust436.nott.cable.ntl.com] has joined #launchpad === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad === allenap [n=gavin@212.233.37.33] has joined #launchpad === fernando1 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-43b5e8490ae1ca78] has joined #launchpad === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad [11:05] New bug: #117508 in rosetta "Last translator field should handle accounts without email address" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117508 === rdale [n=rdale@158.Red-88-2-176.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [11:14] carlos: I'm triaging some rosetta bugs, trying to clean it up a bit, should I be doing this, or does this fall upon the launchpad devs exclusively? [11:15] beuno: any help is welcome. We do it from time to time [11:16] as long as you don't do weird things... you are free to help there too :-9 [11:16] :-) [11:16] ok, great, I'm drafting up a few specs, and I want to relate them to existing bugs/specs, but I keep bumping into duplicate bug reports, or some that just don't seem to apply anymore [11:16] (including 2 bugs I had reported a while back) [11:17] so I figured why not tidy that a bit while I'm at it [11:17] feel free to ask us if you have doubts about any of those [11:17] beuno: and thanks for your help [11:18] carlos: my pleasure, we all use rosetta, so I guess we should give back a bit anyway [11:18] if you can take a look at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/39291 [11:18] Launchpad bug 39291 in rosetta "status bar on package listing wrong" [Medium,Confirmed] [11:19] I marked 3 of them duplicates to that bug [11:26] beuno: I guess it would be a duplicate, yes [11:26] either that or a bug in statistics that is already fixed [11:28] one last bug, then I'm off to work on my spec, https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/20 seems to be in place, right? [11:28] Launchpad bug 20 in rosetta "Sort translatable applications with most-wanted translations first" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos) [11:29] beuno: we have priorities for templates [11:29] but that request goes further [11:29] I don't think we could say it's fixed === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #launchpad [11:30] right, I'll stay out of bugs that go that deep then [11:30] thanks carlos :D [11:30] np [11:30] I did get a bit frustrated that I run into so many specs located in Launchpad's wiki and can't access them [11:42] carlos: searching through the specs, I found one that is very similar to what I'm working on (again, can't be certain since I can't actually *see* it), does it make sense to draft it up considering I can't edit/see the current one? what are my options? [11:43] tell me the spec you are writing and I would be able to tell you whether is the same or not [11:43] (most of this is coming after a talk I gave on launchpad, and a profesional translator approached me and we talked for about half an hour about how to improve it) [11:43] we cannot publish our specs right now, but you can talk about that with kiko or SteveA [11:43] I'm referring to: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/rosetta-word-lists [11:44] the basic idea is for each language team to have a list of "prefered" words, so we can have some uniformity across packages [11:45] beuno: that spec is empty and we didn't write it yet [11:45] if that word would be on the string to translate, the pre-set translation recommendation should be suggested somewhere [11:45] if you want to draft it, you can do it on wiki.ubuntu.com and update the link to yours (or ask me to do it if you don't have enough rights) [11:47] carlos: great, I'll draft it then and add the link to the whiteboard so you can edit it in (I can't change it, I just checked), does that work? [11:48] yeah [11:48] I just removed the link to the empty one [11:48] thanks :D [11:49] just curious, what would give me rights to edit it? to be set as a drafter? [11:51] beuno: I think you need to be the owner of the project [11:51] like I'm [11:51] anyway, let me set you as the drafter [11:52] carlos: thanks again, I'll let you work now and start the draft on the wiki [11:52] beuno: you are now the drafter, check whether you have permissions now [11:53] carlos: yes I can :D [11:53] :-) [11:53] ok, so that's what I'll be bothering you next [11:53] :p [11:54] enjoy! :-) === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c58-107-52-79.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-131-30.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad [12:31] Gooooooooooooood evening Launchpadders! [12:33] heya mpt === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-131-30.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === jonathank [n=jonathan@client-82-3-250-140.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #launchpad [01:04] crud, just got a "Fobidden" error that I shouldn't have, but I can't reproduce it [01:29] whats being done about the ansewrs bug :( [01:29] sacater, there are 47 Answers bugs. Which one are you referring to? [01:30] mpt: the one where you enter nothing and you get an OOPS when you click 'find answers' === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.146.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [01:30] oh [01:30] New bug: #117525 in launchpad-answers "Retargeting and setting whiteboard are forbidden when done simultaneously" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117525 [01:30] ^^^ that's the 47th [01:32] mpt: you're supposed to be able to mindread. [01:36] I should have read the job description more closely [01:37] indeed. [01:42] sacater, according to the bug report, it's been fixed in the code, so it'll be fixed on launchpad.net in a couple of weeks [01:42] :o [01:43] how many... [01:43] It seems like doing an empty search is a pretty easy thing to avoid, though [01:43] in the meantime [01:43] oh [01:43] Does it happen when searching for (for example) all the Needs Info questions? [01:44] hmm, no, those controls aren't available on that page [01:46] So the problem doesn't occur when you specify a project [01:46] It doesn't occur on a project's Answers page [01:46] It occurs only if you search for nothing at all on https://answers.launchpad.net/ [01:46] sacater: launchpad is normally updated on tuesdays, so unless the fix creates problems in other places, it's probable that it will land by next week (unless mpt says differently) :p [01:46] I can't think of a reason for doing that [01:47] Not saying that it shouldn't be fixed (it will be), just that it doesn't seem urgent. === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200.103.136.168] has joined #launchpad [01:49] morning, guys. [01:59] beuno: that's not true anymore [02:01] beuno: we are doing an update once per month, usually third Thursday of the week (although it would change depending on the cycle) [02:01] we started with that this month === matsubara [n=matsubar@canonical/launchpad/matsubara] has joined #launchpad [02:04] matsubara, hi, you called me while I was asleep [02:05] cprov-fud: morning [02:05] mpt: hello matthew [02:05] mpt: new form of alarm. === sinzui [n=sinzui@pool-70-18-237-251.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #launchpad [02:05] mpt: so, I was trying to get the ies4linux to work [02:05] mpt: is there any special trick to make the rendering work? (I installed it fine, but it doesn't render the page) === cprov-fud is now known as cprov === cprov <- was eating for a long time (gaim == crap) === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad [02:11] cprov: is it possible that the ppa chroots have only 'main' activated? [02:11] cprov: ffmpeg is still waiting for liba52-0.7.4-dev, again. and that should be available in gutsy/universe [02:13] siretart: yes, you were *victim* of ogre-component algorithm (sources in main can only build-depend on main and so on ...) [02:14] siretart: are they open to all of ubuntu-dev, or just specific people? [02:18] Hobbsee: you need to ask this cprov [02:18] cprov: ^ [02:18] cprov: so I cannot do anything about it? [02:19] hm. okay, then I need to look for something else === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad === OgMaciel [n=omaciel@ubuntu/member/gnukemist] has joined #launchpad [02:21] siretart: you can re-upload the package to 'universe' [02:21] carlos: good to know, I'll have to update a few slides for that [02:23] cprov: sorry? how to do that? === barry [n=barry@canonical/launchpad/barry] has joined #launchpad [02:24] cprov: you mean uploading to "~siretart/ubuntu/gutsy/universe"? [02:24] matsubara, I didn't do anything special [02:24] Sorry I don't know what your problem might be there [02:24] siretart: nope, you have to change the package section metadata 'universe/devel' [02:25] matsubara, unless you have Desktop Effects turned on (just a guess, haven't tried it) [02:26] carlos, will this be the earliest in the release cycle that translations have opened for any Ubuntu release? [02:26] mpt: indeed [02:26] That's cool! [02:26] That should make life a lot easier for LOTE Ubuntu users [02:27] mpt: well, I'm using the beta version. I'll read documentation and see if I can find anything. thanks anyway. [02:27] Well done, sir [02:27] s/sir/team/ [02:27] ;-) [02:27] indeed [02:28] cprov: oh. that sounds great. thanks === kiko-fud is now known as kiko === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.48] has joined #launchpad [02:40] cprov, might be interesting to allow overriding component via the directory as well === kiko runs [02:40] heya kiko! === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad [02:40] hey Hobbsee [02:40] nice to hear you around [02:40] kiko: hear me around? *didnt think she'd been stomping* === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad [02:41] Hobbsee, these electrons make a lot of noise [02:41] hehe [02:41] kiko: it's possible [02:42] cprov, dunno if we actually want to. might be something to ask our users, distro guys and sabdfl [02:42] kiko: since we are catching users too often with "ogre" trap [02:43] cprov, why are they uploading to main? ah, they don't provide a component in the Section: line, right? [02:43] slightly tricky [02:43] I think components for PPAs are bong anyway === BjornT [n=bjorn@213.226.144.3] has joined #launchpad [02:43] kiko: well, they have to cope with it if they are intended to fit in ubuntu [02:44] kiko: but I understand that they are two different concerns (to work vs. to fit in ubuntu) [02:45] cprov, right, but then during the NSS step they'd get a component overridden in. [02:47] kiko: yes, and that might make the source FTBFS since we force 'ogre' [02:47] oh, because the section in the DSC won't match. you're right. [02:48] kiko: that too, the main problem is that it won't build again in ubuntu because it doesn't respect ogre (main can only build-dep on other main, and so on ) [02:49] it might not, right === Fujitsu wonders how things like overrides/removals etc. are going to work with PPA. [02:55] Fujitsu, we probably won't offer overrides. removals will be done initially via admin request, and then you'll have a UI for doing it [02:55] Fujitsu: via the web UI [02:56] What will happen if something from Debian is uploaded with component contrib or non-free? [02:57] Fujitsu, it will be rejected. it should be changed before uploading. [02:57] Hmm... [02:57] I don't like that very much though [02:57] I think we should consider components more carefully for PPA [02:57] That means introducing more changes, which is somewhat silly. [02:59] kiko: did you come to any conclusions on what you said you'd have to go and think about, with the bugs at UDS? === Hobbsee is curious, now [02:59] Hobbsee, I did list a large number of enhancements for BjornT to consider [03:00] kiko: are they public? [03:00] I could make them public [03:01] that'd be interesting to see, at least. [03:01] even if you dont want input on them [03:01] I'll email you the wikitext [03:01] hang on [03:02] great :) === salgado [n=salgado@canonical/launchpad/salgado] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad [03:02] hi [03:03] kiko: any news on the "rebuntu" tasks hijack? [03:03] seb128, I'm going to sort it out today. [03:03] cool [03:03] I contacted the guy and wanted to wait for him to reply [03:03] but now I say boo [03:05] right === Hobbsee reads [03:07] Hobbsee: what do you read? [03:09] seb128: possible enhancements for LP. was from before you came in [03:09] ah, k [03:09] URL? ;) [03:11] kiko: all looks sane, except = Collapsing all bug comments = [03:11] seb128: via email [03:11] k [03:12] seb128, https://launchpad.canonical.com/SevillaBugTrackerProposals#preview [03:12] Hobbsee, I like collapsing all bug comments, though [03:13] kiko: they're annoying to open all of them - particularly if there are lots [03:13] Hobbsee, they'd be all collapsed at once [03:13] I guess I need to clarify that in the spec [03:13] one of the blogs i sometimes read did that - the screams *still* havent stopped, and it was changed a month or so ago. [03:13] a single twistie for the whole comment section [03:13] ah right. not quite so evil then. [03:14] if you collapse comments please make possible to change the default [03:15] To make bug reports more concise, we could collapse all the bug comments and the comment field. Comments would be collapsed using a single twisty, meaning that they would either all be collapsed or all be uncollapsed (this does not address the deletion/hiding of specific comments). [03:15] or that would mean one extra click every time triagers open a bug [03:15] seb128, the default would be persistent, yes. [03:15] good === flacoste [n=francis@canonical/launchpad/flacoste] has joined #launchpad === jonathank_ [n=jonathan@client-82-3-250-140.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #launchpad === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #launchpad [03:32] kiko, I'm not sure that "concise" is quite what you mean there [03:32] It wouldn't be reducing the amount anyone had to read [03:32] s/had/needed/ [03:32] mpt, they can choose to not read the comments if they don't want to. [03:33] I don't think the use of "concise" is mine but whatever [03:33] People can already choose not to read them. :-) [03:33] mpt, not really [03:33] I mean, try not reading the comments in bug #1 [03:33] Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 - Assigned to Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl) [03:34] the load time for that bug is pretty impressive [03:34] I think the #1 beneficial way of decreasing the number of comments people have to read would be making editing the description more obvious and quicker to do. [03:39] But if you're the relevant developer, I think not reading a comment that's already posted is safe only if someone you trust has already marked that particular comment as not being relevant. [03:39] (I dare you to diagram that sentence!) [03:41] i'd love to see a different colour for posters in ~ubuntu-dev or something [03:41] particularly for kernel bugs, with a lot of traffic [03:41] no idea fi that's feasible - but if you're kicking around new ideas... [03:42] Hobbsee, we're working on that [03:42] It is feasible, we're considering something similar for Answers [03:42] it's very hard to see who's official, and who's not, seeing as they're all offering advice, saying it must be fixed immediately, etc [03:42] ah, great. [03:42] also highlighting the reporter [03:42] (comments from them, I mean) === Fujitsu wonders if we can have "Affects, but doesn't need fixing in" tasks at some point. [03:44] Fujitsu, you mean rejected/wontfix? [03:45] kiko: No, as in the bug manifests itself in this package primarily, but is in fact a bug elsewhere. I don't want the task in that package open as such, as it's not a bug there. But it should be visible as people will look for it there. [03:46] Fujitsu, in a single word? :-) [03:47] No idea. [03:48] SEP!!! [03:48] Heheh, yes! [03:48] Fujitsu, so you want "Not For Us" [03:48] mpt, it's more SEP than NFU [03:48] NOP [03:48] SEP? [03:48] ooh, i want a SEP!!!! [03:48] mpt: Not quite. kiko: Right. [03:48] someone else's problem [03:48] mpt: Someone Else's Problem [03:48] not our problem [03:48] etc [03:49] oh === Hobbsee definetly wants a wontfix too, as kde is using that a fair bit at the moment [03:49] what is SEP? [03:49] I want fewer bug statuses [03:49] ah, I get it [03:49] highvoltage: see 5&6 lines up [03:49] someone elses problem [03:49] mpt: But I want to be able to handle this use case. [03:50] I understand [03:50] because it'll reduce duplicates [03:51] We had a long long discussion about what this status should be called [03:51] I don't remember anyone suggesting SEP [03:51] though [03:51] bug 36059 [03:51] Launchpad bug 36059 in malone ""Rejected" should be split into "Not a Bug" and "Not For Us"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36059 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) [03:51] I've seen that. [03:51] mpt, Not For Us is slightly different [03:51] But NFU is somewhat different. [03:51] But then Ubuntu's Mozilla team disillusioned me [03:52] How is it different? [03:52] it means that we /could/ fix the problem but we don't want to [03:52] whereas in this cas [03:52] Right. [03:52] e it means that the problem needs to be fixed somewhere else [03:52] for us to benefit [03:52] I'm not really interested in a difference in meaning [03:52] I'm interested in a difference in use case [03:52] in effect, I mean [03:52] I just explained though === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #launchpad [03:52] Is there a listing on which Not For Us bugs should appear but Seomeone Else's Problem bugs should not, or vice versa? [03:53] it depends [03:53] you could say there's a useful listing of things broken in X that depend on work done elsewhere [03:54] SEP is included in my definition of NFU in the bug report: "for example, it should be fixed in a toolkit or kernel instead" [03:54] have 2 categories of bugs, easy for developers to split. "fixable in $product" and "not for us" [03:54] or whatever [03:55] kiko, you could get that with an advanced search (which could be a canned search, even) === tokj [n=tk@151.82.7.254] has joined #launchpad [03:55] mpt, yeah.. I don't care so much TBH. [03:55] In the SearchingBugs-spec syntax, it would be "status:not-for-us elsewhere:open" [03:57] ah right === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.41] has joined #launchpad === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db444e3.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === ] TesLa[ [n=Gban@213.87.72.126] has joined #launchpad === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host122-198-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad === ] TesLa[ [n=Gban@213.87.72.126] has left #launchpad [] === ubuntu_laptop [n=ubuntu_l@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === Rinchen [n=joey@canonical/launchpad/rinchen] has joined #launchpad === johan [n=jdahlin@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [04:44] Hi. Is codebrowse.launchpad.net known to be down ? === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #launchpad [04:46] the man has arrived. mthaddon: Hi. Is codebrowse.launchpad.net known to be down ? [04:46] matsubara: yes, restarting it now [04:46] mthaddon: thank you [04:46] thanks! [04:47] ok, should be working now [04:47] yeah, seems to be working, excellent [04:47] grumble === christoph [n=christop@p57a095cb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #launchpad === lfittl [n=lfittl@213.129.230.12] has joined #launchpad === christoph [n=christop@p57A095CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #launchpad === barry is now known as barry-away === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch === johan [n=jdahlin@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #launchpad ["Remote] [05:20] New bug: #117565 in launchpad-bazaar "Seems to use URL quoting instead of HTML in links" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117565 === ubuntu_laptop [n=ubuntu_l@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #launchpad === lool [i=lool@debian/developer/lool] has joined #launchpad === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #launchpad === lool [i=lool@debian/developer/lool] has left #launchpad [] === ramki_ [n=ramki@72.16.168.213] has joined #launchpad === cprov-lunch is now known as cprov === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db446d2.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad [06:41] New bug: #117582 in launchpad "Duplicated bugs in bugs.launchpad.net/~user" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117582 === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch === salgado is now known as salgado-afk === flacoste is now known as flacoste_lunch === kiko is now known as kiko-afk === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #launchpad === mholthaus_ [n=mholthau@johnny33.dersbach.ch] has joined #launchpad === barry-away is now known as barry === bigjools is now known as bigjools-afk === matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara === flacoste_lunch is now known as flacoste [08:06] edge.launchpad.net is going to - server being rebooted === kiko-afk is now known as kiko === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #launchpad [08:11] hi kiko [08:13] edge.launchpad.net is back up [08:14] hey LaserJock === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #launchpad === gianmt [n=gianmt@host221-162-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-101-115.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db446d2.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === BjornT_ [n=bjorn@ip-213-190-58-210.static.b4net.lt] has joined #launchpad === fernando1 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-92f1d54f702541f5] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@213.207.210.231] has joined #launchpad === salgado-afk is now known as salgado === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host122-198-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #launchpad === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ubuntu/member/gwaihir] has joined #launchpad === bigjools-afk is now known as bigjools [09:31] good night! === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #launchpad === jcs [n=jcspray@82-41-200-49.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [09:50] siretart, ping? [09:50] kiko: pong [09:50] these ppa's are giving me headaches... [09:50] siretart, did you do https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rats/+bug/63561/comments/8 yourself? [09:50] Launchpad bug 63561 in rats "Segmentation fault when auditing code" [Undecided,Fix released] [09:50] siretart, or was it done through changelog-closes-bug? [09:51] kiko: this was done via changelog-closes-bug. [09:51] siretart, you are a genius! I love you [09:51] kiko: I'm using it now in every upload :) [09:51] ROCK ON! === siretart hugs kiko === Prognatus [n=bjorn@2.80-203-143.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad [10:00] siretart: wow, awesome [10:01] LaserJock: can you add the following to your sources.list: [10:01] deb http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/siretart/ubuntu gutsy main universe multiverse [10:01] deb-src http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/siretart/ubuntu gutsy main universe multiverse [10:01] and check if you have the package emacs-snapshot-common with version 1:20070521-1 in your apt-cache? [10:02] It doesn't show up for me, but it does appear in http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/siretart/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz [10:02] cprov: ^^^ [10:03] siretart: one sec [10:04] siretart: yes, I've got it [10:05] siretart, thanks for testing, I really appreciate it [10:05] mantha@luck:~$ apt-cache madison emacs-snapshot-common [10:05] emacs-snapshot-common | 1:20070521-1 | http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net gutsy/main Packages [10:05] emacs-snapshot-common | 1:20070302-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages [10:05] emacs-snapshot | 1:20070302-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Sources [10:05] emacs-snapshot | 1:20070521-1 | http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net gutsy/main Sources [10:05] LaserJock: are you on i386 or amd64? [10:05] i386 [10:06] I'm on amd64, and only see the version from archive.ubuntu.com, not the one from dogfood [10:06] siretart: 1:20070521-1 0 [10:06] 500 http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net gutsy/main Packages [10:06] cprov: amd64 or i386? [10:06] siretart: i386 [10:06] please try on amd64 [10:07] siretart: not [10:08] cprov: puh, then the problem is (at least) not on my side :) [10:08] siretart: apt-cache madison on amd64 lists only the source for emacs-snapshot-common but not the binaries [10:09] which is why I cannot install emacs-snapshot :/ [10:09] but I've a file /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net_siretart_ubuntu_dists_gutsy_main_binary-amd64_Packages [10:10] interesting. there, I get the package version in question [10:10] what the heck is going on here? [10:10] and Package: emacs-snapshot-common has Architecture: i386 [10:11] apt-cache policy emacs-snapshot-gtk lists also your ppa version [10:12] that package is listed with Architecture: amd64 [10:13] geser: hmmm. it should be arch: all [10:13] cprov? can you imagine whats wrong here? [10:14] wow. manually fiddling in /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net_siretart_ubuntu_dists_gutsy_main_binary-amd64_Packages indeed helps [10:14] geser: good eye, http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/siretart/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz is indeed fishy [10:15] siretart: well, it's quite possible that I'm generating the index in the wrong way [10:15] siretart: geser: why should it be 'all' ? [10:16] cprov: because it is an architecture: all package [10:16] cprov: Filename: pool/main/e/emacs-snapshot/emacs-snapshot-el_20070521-1_all.deb [10:16] (pasted from the Packages.gz file) [10:17] whole cow, you're right .. I'm annotating the arch where it was built, i386 [10:17] siretart: ok, can you file a bug about it [10:18] s\whole\holly ... [10:18] holy [10:18] :) === kiko is now known as kiko-afk [10:19] and here I thought PPA was perfect [10:19] all my hopes have been shattered ;-) [10:22] LaserJock: come one, I'm glad that it's such simple bug [10:22] LaserJock: i can fix it in a minute. [10:24] cprov: you still want a bug about that? against what? [10:25] siretart: soyuz [10:25] k [10:26] siretart: thanks a lot for identifying this. [10:29] \o/ for testing :-) === cprov is now known as cprov-out [10:29] LaserJock: indeed === asabil [n=asabil@142.80-203-109.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad [10:32] hello all [10:32] does launchpad provide any sort of wiki ? [10:40] cprov-out: I think this is https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/40096 [10:40] Launchpad bug 40096 in soyuz "do not show architecture 'all' builds as i386" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Diogo Matsubara (matsubara) === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad [10:42] siretart: not really, we have a much more specific issues like 'PPA archive indexes do not properly list architeture-independent package' [10:43] cprov-out: filed as https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/117625 [10:43] Launchpad bug 117625 in soyuz "architecutre: all packages appear as architecture: i386 packages in Packages.gz" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [10:44]