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| pwnguin | strange question: what's the "right" way to bring a newer kernel into a feisty install? | 05:52 |
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| RAOF | Build from kernel.org sources, and use make-kpkg? | 05:52 |
| pwnguin | what about ubuntu specific patches? | 05:53 |
| pwnguin | or at least, patches ubuntu picked up that linus hasnt | 05:53 |
| RAOF | Well, you could get the kernel source package from launchpad, I suppose | 05:54 |
| === pwnguin has done a git pull | ||
| pwnguin | from the kernel team | 05:54 |
| pwnguin | but im not sure how that works with restricted drivers. | 05:54 |
| RAOF | Well, I think make-kpkg should work. | 05:55 |
| RAOF | Heh, it doesn't, although you could use the module-assistant package | 05:55 |
| pwnguin | someone suggested installing the gutsy kernel, and that didnt go so well | 05:55 |
| pwnguin | im not entirely sure why, but it scares me a bit | 05:55 |
| RAOF | I hope that wasn't you in the forums I recommended against installing the gutsy kernel to :) | 05:56 |
| pwnguin | i rarely post in the forums | 05:56 |
| RAOF | Good, good :) | 05:56 |
| pwnguin | besides, i know what im doing most the time | 05:56 |
| pwnguin | i tried grabbing the kernel from launchpad like you said last nigth, but dependencies were being troublesome, so i figured id just add gutsy to sources.list for a second | 05:58 |
| pwnguin | install the kernel, then ditch the source | 05:58 |
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| pwnguin | worked surprisingly well, but the kernel locked up around acpi or something | 05:58 |
| pwnguin | could be related to not being able to find a /dev/disk/by-uuid/ =/ | 05:59 |
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| crimsun | likely unrelated. | 06:12 |
| pwnguin | well, loading acpi modules and not being able to find the root partition somehow would be related | 06:15 |
| crimsun | that's highly unlikely. | 06:16 |
| pwnguin | i would imagine so | 06:16 |
| pwnguin | unfortunately i dont have a serial port on that laptop | 06:17 |
| crimsun | by the time it rolls around to trying to find /dev/disk/by-uuid, it needs to have gotten the initramfs and pivotroot to get / | 06:17 |
| crimsun | if you get acpi errors, you'll get their unfortunate results long before it gets far enough in initramfs | 06:18 |
| pwnguin | i need to figure out which partition it can't find first obviously | 06:18 |
| pwnguin | well it was definately /dev/sda1, but that was windows. plenty of interesting BUG:s in dmesg. maybe i should go about repartitioning for a test partition | 06:23 |
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| afflux_ | my cryptsetup is working, but kindof buggy. It wait's a long time after I give the password and then says "Rendezvous with udev timed out for 'temporary-cryptsetup-4589'; stat failed: No such file or directory". After that it maps the volume directly, but this is far too long for booting ;) | 04:31 |
| afflux_ | s/wait's/waits/ | 04:31 |
| afflux_ | (it waits about three minutes) | 04:34 |
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| edgy | Hi, when I run: sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd gutsy /var/chroot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/, I got | 04:57 |
| edgy | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /var/chroot mount -t proc proc /proc | 04:57 |
| edgy | am I doing something wrong? | 04:57 |
| edgy | debootstrap = 0.3.3.3ubuntu4 | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | i think it's known about | 05:00 |
| Hobbsee | others were getting it earlier | 05:00 |
| edgy | $ sudo chroot /var/chroot/ | 05:00 |
| edgy | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory | 05:00 |
| afflux_ | 4 | 05:00 |
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| afflux_ | oh, sry | 05:00 |
| edgy | so how come people here manage to install gusty in chroot? | 05:01 |
| edgy | Hobbsee: have you manage to install gutsy in chroot yourself? | 05:02 |
| === Hobbsee uses pbuilder | ||
| Hobbsee | so, yes | 05:03 |
| edgy | Hobbsee: is using pbuilder better than this normal way of chroot? I have never tried pbuilder before | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | depends what you want to do with it | 05:05 |
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| edgy | Hobbsee: I want to try a gutsy system while it's in development | 05:07 |
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| edgy | Also, I have core 2 duo system, isn't this a 64-bit system? which kernel is best installed? | 05:10 |
| edgy | amd64? | 05:10 |
| Toma- | flip a coin and decide | 05:13 |
| Hobbsee | you could stick it on another partition, too | 05:13 |
| Hobbsee | you usually want -generic regardless | 05:13 |
| Hobbsee | iirc | 05:13 |
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| edgy | Hobbsee: i installed generic but the libs installed are 32-bits this is why I wonder! | 05:29 |
| === Hobbsee has no 64 bit machine, is no expert | ||
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| julo | hi | 05:42 |
| julo | GNOME's keyring seems to be broken in gutsy. Is it a known bug ? | 05:43 |
| Hobbsee | julo: have you checked in the bugtracker for it? | 05:45 |
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| julo | Hobbsee: yes, but I don't see anything that looks like my bug | 05:50 |
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| julo | Hobbsee: I just find it strange that nobody noticed it, given that the keyring is used about everywhere in GNOME... | 05:50 |
| Hobbsee | no idea how many people are actually running gutsy yet, either | 05:51 |
| Hobbsee | but it'd be a bit strange | 05:51 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt run gnome. | ||
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| crdlb | julo, in what way is it broken? | 05:52 |
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| julo | crdlb: every time I try to open a network server, it tells me that there is no default session, and that I should specify a password for the session. Then, the next time I open a network server, I get the same dialog. And when I restart my GNOME session, all my passwords are lost. | 05:54 |
| julo | crdlb: it seems that it simply can't create keyring sessions. | 05:54 |
| crdlb | hmm I'm running gnome 2.19 on my gentoo box | 05:55 |
| crdlb | and seeing the same problem | 05:55 |
| julo | crdlb: so I guess it's a bug in GNOME, not in Ubunut. | 05:55 |
| crdlb | at this point, it's kind of normal :) | 05:56 |
| Toma- | Id love to see the samba interface actually become useable | 05:56 |
| julo | crdlb: is there a bug report about it, or should I report one ? | 05:57 |
| crdlb | I haven't checked to be honest | 05:57 |
| crdlb | you should probably file it in launchpad | 05:57 |
| Hobbsee | if it's in gnome, you should file it in the gnome bugzilla | 05:58 |
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| Hobbsee | not ubuntu, as they wont fix it. they'll just refile it | 05:58 |
| julo | crdlb: I think it's better to report it in bugzilla.gnome.org. | 05:58 |
| crdlb | nm then :) | 05:58 |
| julo | crdlb: and that's what I'm gona do. | 05:58 |
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| edgy | Hobbsee: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/23153/. mount -t proc proc /proc | 06:09 |
| edgy | pbuilder: debootstrap failed | 06:09 |
| edgy | Hobbsee: so pbuilder fails for me too, what shall i do? | 06:10 |
| Hobbsee | wait | 06:10 |
| Hobbsee | until it's fixe | 06:10 |
| Hobbsee | d | 06:10 |
| Hobbsee | is usually the best strategy | 06:10 |
| Hobbsee | and file a bug, if there's not already one | 06:10 |
| Hobbsee | seems odd that there's not an error before that, though | 06:11 |
| Toma- | you did use sudo in there right? | 06:11 |
| Toma- | and you need to bind proc... "sudo mount -t proc -o bind oldproc newproc" | 06:12 |
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| edgy | Toma-: yes I did used sudo pbuilder create but I didn't sudo mount -t proc, let me try it | 06:19 |
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| Toma- | -o bind | 06:20 |
| edgy | Toma-: what shall put in place of oldproc and newproc? | 06:20 |
| Toma- | /proc /path/to/chroot/proc | 06:21 |
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| edgy | Toma-: I am following this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto and it never mentioned where is the chroot is and I am just executing the first command of sudo pbuilder create | 06:23 |
| edgy | Toma-: am I asking a stupid question? | 06:29 |
| Toma- | edgy: looks like pbuilder is indeed broken. you can fix it if you like? :D | 06:30 |
| edgy | Toma-: i prefer to let the developers fix it so it would be a training session for them. I won't be available to help all the time ;) | 06:30 |
| Toma- | edgy: failing that, you could install gutsy with qemu to a virtual harddrive, mount it in ubuntu, then transfer the files to a folder, then chroot into it? | 06:31 |
| edgy | Toma-: how can I install it using qemu? it has no iso yet | 06:32 |
| Toma- | or simply keep it in a virtual drive and mount -o loop into it + chroot into that, leaving you with a stable snapshot | 06:32 |
| Toma- | edgy: feisty minimal then update | 06:32 |
| edgy | Toma-: thanks for the idea | 06:33 |
| Toma- | no problem | 06:33 |
| Toma- | Personally, i prefer the whole virtual harddrive thing, as its so easy to maintain | 06:33 |
| edgy | Toma-: can I mount -o loop an image installed via qemu? I am getting this: mount: you must specify the filesystem type | 06:35 |
| Toma- | no, make a harddrive/filesystem first then install into that, then mount it. dont use a qemu drive | 06:35 |
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| Toma- | sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=gutsy.ext2 bs=1M count=2147 (for a 2GB drive) | 06:36 |
| Toma- | count = size in MB's | 06:36 |
| Toma- | then sudo mkfs.ext3 gutsy.ext3 | 06:37 |
| Toma- | err | 06:37 |
| Toma- | 2 | 06:37 |
| Toma- | you get the idea | 06:37 |
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| edgy | Toma-: ok. thx | 06:40 |
| Toma- | no problem | 06:40 |
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| fdoving | i have this issue with the latest gutsy kernel, my trackpoint stops working. | 07:55 |
| fdoving | anyone else experiencing that? | 07:56 |
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| easytiger | anyone get vmware server 1.0.3 to work on ubuntu 7.10? | 07:57 |
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| Chetwin | Hi all. I was just read that shuttleworth is pulling out all non-free additions in gutsy. No more auto installs for wireless drivers and video? | 08:39 |
| pwnguin | Chetwin: i havent seen this; perhaps he means a seperate distro? | 08:39 |
| pwnguin | Chetwin: url? | 08:40 |
| Chetwin | http://www.builderau.com.au/news/soa/Ubuntu-s-Gibbon-gets-free/0,339028227,339274828,00.htm | 08:40 |
| Chetwin | This worries me | 08:40 |
| pwnguin | i think the intention is to create an official distro, like kubuntu | 08:41 |
| Chetwin | Although, the nvidia-glx package that installs in feisty is a crap chute | 08:41 |
| pwnguin | i dont think it will directly impact Ubuntu | 08:41 |
| Chetwin | Locks up my system after a few hours | 08:41 |
| pwnguin | Chetwin: which nvidia card? | 08:41 |
| Chetwin | Well the auto notification and installation of my ipw3945 wireless drivers was a nice little gift when it first popped up | 08:41 |
| Chetwin | 7300 Go | 08:42 |
| Chetwin | It's not eleigible for legacy drivers | 08:42 |
| pwnguin | try nvidia-glx-new | 08:42 |
| pwnguin | nvidia's habit of dropping support is unfortunate for users currently | 08:42 |
| Chetwin | Bah, I just installed the binary from the nvidia site with --no-precomiled-interface option | 08:42 |
| pwnguin | well, as long as it works better for you | 08:42 |
| Chetwin | It seems to be fine, but time will tell | 08:42 |
| pwnguin | the nvidia-glx-new should carry some security fixes etc | 08:43 |
| Chetwin | I'm not very confident. Hopeful is a better explination | 08:43 |
| pwnguin | Chetwin: try reading his actual email | 08:43 |
| Chetwin | It was strange because it would only happen when I was listening to music, made no sense | 08:43 |
| pwnguin | http://lwn.net/Articles/230229/ | 08:43 |
| pwnguin | oh | 08:43 |
| pwnguin | you meant nvidia | 08:43 |
| shatrat | Chetwin, were you listening to music using a player with an openGL visualization pretty thingy? | 08:44 |
| Chetwin | Nope | 08:44 |
| Chetwin | banshee | 08:44 |
| Chetwin | Or rythmbox | 08:44 |
| Chetwin | Or totem | 08:44 |
| Chetwin | Doesn't matter | 08:44 |
| Chetwin | It just makes the HD race then lock up | 08:44 |
| shatrat | I blame sunspots | 08:44 |
| pwnguin | you sure it's nvidia causing this? | 08:44 |
| Chetwin | I switched back to the nv driver and had no problems | 08:45 |
| Chetwin | But I need 3d for my games | 08:45 |
| Chetwin | Odd to say about linux, but times are-a-changin *thank God* | 08:45 |
| cps1966 | sure is better than vista ultimate | 08:46 |
| Chetwin | Sick | 08:46 |
| Chetwin | cps1966: I think I just threw up in my mouth | 08:46 |
| cps1966 | well i had to try it on my old dually | 08:47 |
| cps1966 | it'll never see this box | 08:47 |
| Chetwin | I admit, I fell victim to the vista hype for about 6 hours | 08:47 |
| pwnguin | if its any consolation the nvidia vista drivers suck too | 08:47 |
| Chetwin | Then I took my pill'buntu and was back in the game | 08:48 |
| Chetwin | If it's an consolation, Microsoft is still trying to pic lawsuits on other people for no reason lol | 08:49 |
| Chetwin | any* | 08:49 |
| cps1966 | they are connered | 08:49 |
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| cps1966 | all m$ should be in jail | 08:50 |
| Chetwin | I don't think they have any room to point fingers. We'd all be better off if they would just take a huge steaming dump inside all computers before they're shipped so we could smell it ahead of time | 08:50 |
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| Chetwin | It would help the general public avoid all of the issues presented | 08:51 |
| cps1966 | reboot to new kernel | 08:51 |
| Chetwin | *sarcasm* I'm very upset that I don't have to pay 30-90 bucks an hour for phone support on a product I paid 200+ for in the first place | 08:51 |
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| Peaker | If I fix some packages on gutsy to work with each other, will package patches (to debian/* files) be accepted by Ubuntu? | 09:10 |
| Peaker | scipy isn't installable in gutsy - and I am trying to fix that | 09:11 |
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| andreas23 | hello | 09:25 |
| pwnguin | Peaker: ask in #ubuntu-motu; they'll tell you how to make sure it happens ^_^ | 09:26 |
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| Peaker | any estimates on the chances of beryl being enabled by default in gutsy? :) | 10:32 |
| crdlb | beryl, no | 10:34 |
| crdlb | compcomm, very possibly | 10:34 |
| Peaker | ah it was unforked, I forgot | 10:37 |
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| cps1966 | whats the name after gutsy | 10:57 |
| gnomefreak | cps1966: let us get gutsy done first | 11:00 |
| cps1966 | well i want to know | 11:00 |
| gnomefreak | cps1966: it wont be picked until gutsy is about done | 11:01 |
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| cps1966 | i thought all were planned out to z | 11:01 |
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| gnomefreak | no | 11:02 |
| gnomefreak | cps1966: mark picks them at end of each cycle | 11:02 |
| cps1966 | hefty hog next | 11:02 |
| cps1966 | if it has OO as office package | 11:03 |
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| cps1966 | OO should be an option | 11:04 |
| gnomefreak | cps1966: please talk about gutsy+1 somewhere else its offtopic for in here. | 11:05 |
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| cps1966 | oh gee i was just asking | 11:08 |
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| sid | How is Gutsy.. is it functional.. ie gnome works etc? | 11:33 |
| cps1966 | kde works | 11:33 |
| sid | cps1966: Does gutsty break often? ie, the system won't start every other week after an upgrade? Or is it "unstable" like debian sid is "unstable"? | 11:34 |
| cps1966 | its not there yet | 11:35 |
| sid | Will an upgrade from edgy work.. or is it best to do a fresh format from a daily snapshot? | 11:35 |
| gnomefreak | sid: its not even been released to the public for testing | 11:35 |
| sid | gnomefreak: I know. | 11:36 |
| gnomefreak | there is no working ISO | 11:36 |
| cps1966 | well i did upgrade only one glitch | 11:36 |
| sid | o, there are no dailys | 11:36 |
| gnomefreak | sid: so to ask does it break. yes it breaks | 11:36 |
| Pumpernickel | It'll break extremely often for awhile, still. | 11:36 |
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| === sid upgrades | ||
| cps1966 | gutsy is a safer bet | 11:40 |
| Pumpernickel | cps1966: errr... gutsy? | 11:41 |
| gnomefreak | cps1966: nothing is safe about gutsy | 11:41 |
| cps1966 | ah its safe for me | 11:41 |
| crdlb | safer than what? | 11:41 |
| gnomefreak | what works for you doesnt mean it will work for everyone | 11:41 |
| cps1966 | sid | 11:41 |
| gnomefreak | sid is much safer | 11:42 |
| cps1966 | you can have it | 11:42 |
| gnomefreak | cps1966: i do i also have 2 gutsys 2 feistys a dapper + a bunch of chroots | 11:42 |
| sid | What is best to use, aptitude, apt-get, update-manager? | 11:43 |
| sid | I'm assuming update-manager. | 11:43 |
| Pumpernickel | Update-manager, usually. | 11:43 |
| crdlb | does update-manager work this early? | 11:43 |
| gnomefreak | sid: either way you will more than likely see breakage since the poppler merge is still kind of going on | 11:43 |
| gnomefreak | crdlb: yes and no. it will try to upgrade you but will more than likely fail unless michael has changed things for gutsy | 11:44 |
| sid | gnomefreak: I know, I expect breakage, I'll deal with the broken deps etc as they come. | 11:44 |
| gnomefreak | sid: do it using apt-get | 11:44 |
| sid | Need to get 347MB of archives. | 11:45 |
| sid | After unpacking 87.6MB of additional disk space will be used. | 11:45 |
| sid | gutsy is 87 megs larger than feisty. that's a lot | 11:45 |
| sid | (I have stock install) | 11:45 |
| gnomefreak | sid: that depends what you have installed | 11:45 |
| sid | only defaults | 11:46 |
| gnomefreak | that is not a accurate estimate | 11:46 |
| gnomefreak | if you have any other repo other than main than you are no longer default | 11:46 |
| gnomefreak | example feisty-updates repos | 11:46 |
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| sid | so far no errors, everything is going smoothly. | 12:15 |
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| RxDx | how can i chance my Feisty to get Gutsy unstable atualizations? | 12:26 |
| sid | RxDx: What is your goal? | 12:27 |
| RxDx | i want a very up to date system | 12:27 |
| gnomefreak | RxDx: stack with feisty for now | 12:27 |
| sid | RxDx: Edgy is a very up to date system. Gutsy is unstable and will likely break your system(often) | 12:27 |
| gnomefreak | sid: -edgy +feisty | 12:27 |
| sid | RxDx: And if you fix it, it will break again as updates flood into the repositories. | 12:27 |
| RxDx | ok.. thanks | 12:27 |
| RxDx | edgy is bugged.. feisty rullez ;) | 12:27 |
| sid | er | 12:28 |
| sid | s/Edgy/Feisty/ | 12:28 |
| sid | RxDx: Is there a package Gutsy has that Feisty doesn't? | 12:28 |
| RxDx | i dont think.. but if theres i want to have it | 12:28 |
| gnomefreak | sid: not yet maybe 1 if you are lucky | 12:29 |
| tritium | RxDx: not necessarily. There are some regressions. | 12:29 |
| RxDx | ahh.. thanks | 12:29 |
| gnomefreak | oh yeah the slow as crap gcc is in gutsy ;) | 12:29 |
| tritium | e.g., atherois AR5212 support in edgy works, but in feisty doesn't work on all hardware | 12:29 |
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