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[03:37] i neeeeeeed to test a bug [03:37] jmg: Download the feisty vmdk, and dist-upgrade. 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Stick === bonii [n=gsix@unaffiliated/bonii] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:37] heh === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:02] pitti: did you have a good holiday? [08:03] LongPointyStick: yes, reasonably; lots of flat cleaning and general household things that were long overdue :) [08:03] hehe === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.83.34] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xof [n=mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gizmo [n=gizmo@87.139.112.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir sighs at the technical board's email address being just about impossible to find. [08:40] Mithrandir: have you found it yet? i should have it here somewhere [08:41] i assume its' technical-board@l.u.c anyway [08:41] yes, I've found it now [08:46] cool === infinity2 [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-91809bb08b3e687d] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-85-27-113-187.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] hi Keybuk [09:50] morning pitti *hugs* [09:51] good morning, Scott === Keybuk hugs Mithrandir too === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-246.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:52] yay hugs === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@78.176-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] I reported a #117493 today on cryptsetup not working properly with udev anymore (gutsy). Shall I move that to udev instead? === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] hunger: unlikely to be a udev bug [10:10] it could be a devmapper problem [10:10] keybuk, so I'll leave it with cryptsetup. [10:11] failed to rendezvous with udev? that sounds like you have a strange mix of packages [10:11] the gutsy devmapper doesn't have any code like that [10:11] Keybuk: That is a message by the cryptsetup executable afaikt. [10:12] it used to be a message from libdevmapper? [10:12] Keybuk: It seems to wait for /dev/mapper/temporary-something-PID. [10:12] Keybuk: possible. I just straced cryptsetup. [10:12] can you attach the strace [10:12] keybuk: I'll try... === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:14] keescook: ping [10:14] Keybuk: I can not reboot right now (takes about 45min to start up due to cryptsetup timeouts), so I'll need to find some free space to put a crypted partition on:-) [10:15] hunger: Did some upgrade break that? [10:15] Fujitsu: It worked fine till tuesday. === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c58-107-52-79.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:18] Keybuk: Can't reproduce since cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/something fails without giving a reason. [10:18] Keybuk: are you aware that root on lvm is currently broken in gutsy? a small 'lvm vgchange -ay ; logout' makes the system boot again [10:18] right, but do you have the strace? [10:18] if so, is ioctl() returning -EINVAL? [10:18] siretart: no [10:18] I'll fetch the lp bugno === Fujitsu is glad he hasn't upgraded recently. [10:19] bug #87745 [10:19] Launchpad bug 87745 in lvm2 "Root fs on LVM fails to boot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87745 [10:19] siretart: mdadm hasn't been merged yet [10:20] Keybuk: strace of cryptsetup luksFormat contains only "write" statements after the read for "yes" to get this started. [10:20] Keybuk: this confuses me now. my md devices come up properly, just the lvm devices need a kick. how is the mdadm merge related here? [10:20] hunger, attache it to lp [10:21] siretart: your lvm devices are built on your md devices === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:23] as a possibly interesting datum, I've got ext3 / on LVM in gutsy, and it seems to boot fine with no manual intervention (under 2.6.22-5-generic). [10:23] crimsun: That's what I thought. [10:23] I also use LUKS, and it works fine. [10:24] crimsun: I am still on 2.6.20-15-generic. Maybe that is part of the problem. [10:24] Fujitsu: root on luks? [10:24] siretart: Not root, unfortunately. [10:25] keybuk: strace is on bug #117502 (about luksFormat failing). [10:25] Launchpad bug 117502 in cryptsetup "[gutsy] cryptsetup luksFormat fails." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117502 [10:25] I never could get that working well, though I'll try again in a few weeks when school holidays occur. === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] hunger: how odd, doesn't look like it's doing anything, does it? [10:27] Keybuk: Yes, that is what I told you before:-) [10:27] Keybuk: Same thing happens when I give an invalid device... [10:27] almost certainly a cryptsetup bug then [10:28] Keybuk: I tried to use the /dev/dm-XY directly, but that did not help. === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F7041D.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:31] hello [10:31] Goodmorning, dholbach. [10:31] heya shawarma [10:31] hi shawarma [10:31] hi, pitti [10:34] morning dholbach [10:35] heya highvoltage === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] did anyone else than me notice strange linewraps in po files of debconf translations? === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] any idea why .po files in ubuntu packages tend to be linewrapped, while the debian ones don't? shall we keep the ubuntu ones, or take the debian ones? [10:46] am I the only person who thinks that reCAPTCHA is a great way of getting users of your system to help you bypass other CAPTCHAs? :p [10:46] I mean for packages in main [10:46] siretart: msgmerge damage, usually [10:47] siretart: don't worry for .po files in main; we have Rosetta for that [10:47] siretart: IOW, there should not be any Ubuntu delta for .po files in Ubuntu main [10:47] pitti: so just revert to the debian .po files to minimize the diff. okayt [10:47] pitti: could you look at bug 73384 sometime for SRU? [10:47] Launchpad bug 73384 in kubuntu-docs "Localized Kubuntu documents missing" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73384 === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:49] Riddell: hm, let's just hope that there will never be a .1 CD image for edgy and feisty === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-177d9ad7029cec65] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] Riddell: diffs look ok, but I'm not sure whether you'd want to inflict this huge download to Kubuntu users === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye!"] [10:52] Riddell: right before Feisty release I changed ubuntu-docs to downsize the package a bit, btw (bzip2 compression and removing all translations with < 30% coverage) [10:53] well, s/a bit/9 MB -> 2 MB/ [10:57] Keybuk: FYI, I've just prepared an mdadm merge, which I just uploaded to upload.dogfood.ubuntu.com's test ppa. I cannot easily build nor test it atm, since a) lvm snapshots are broken now, and b) I'm not at home atm [10:57] in case you're interested, I can publish my bzr branch for that === StevenK raises an eyebrow. upload.dogfood.ubuntu.com ... [10:58] StevenK: yes, cprov asked my to stress test it. :) [10:58] Heh === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] ah, the wonders of Euro-time === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] siretart: it needs a patch applied as well to work [11:08] I already have a finished merge [11:08] oh. ok [11:09] I'm waiting until we've understood and fixed the issues with pure devmapper, and with LVM, before complicating the matter by throwing in mdadm [11:09] one step at a time, etc. === StevenK sighs. I need to stop reading debian-project. === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye!"] === iwj__ [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj__ is now known as iwj === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491E104.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero_1 [n=jga@pD9E63110.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === roico [n=roico@bzq-88-153-137-16.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:57] Mithrandir: can you please give-back gimp? [11:59] pitti: given-back [11:59] Mithrandir: merci [11:59] bitte sehr [12:05] does anybody know why all merges on MoM are in red? === Gman is now known as GmanaFK [12:07] how odd [12:07] Priority missing from the source? [12:08] hardly, it changed over the weekend for merges that haven't been touched since then [12:08] hmm, Priority is missing from Sources for everything ? === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] today is Tuesday, no? [12:13] Keybuk: yep [12:13] LP roll-out last night, by any chance? === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] yup [12:14] Priority field has been lost from Sources.gz on LP [12:14] They've all been red for at least two or three days. [12:15] dunno when the last roll-out was === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === roico [n=roico@bzq-88-153-137-16.red.bezeqint.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:24] err [12:25] boo [12:25] xyy [12:27] Keybuk: do you happen to develop devmapper in a bzr branch? [12:28] siretart: no [12:29] I haven't yet found a workflow of bzr-branch-for-package that I'm happy with [12:30] I personally like this mode: http://wiki.tauware.de/misc:vcs-packaging#importing_upstream_releases_only === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-131-30.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] yeah, that's a huge amount of work for no benefit though, no? [12:33] the benefit is that I can use 'bzr merge' for merging new upstream releases [12:34] siretart: you can also copy the debian directory to the new source [12:34] siretart: how is 'bzr merge' different to just applying the previous diff.gz to the new upstream release? [12:35] in both cases, some stuff applies, and some stuff rejects and needs manual fixing [12:35] siretart: I guess that only pays off if you manage patches directly rather than in debian/patches? [12:35] I fully agree with "*REPLACE* the source packages with a bzr archive" [12:35] pitti: yes, patch systems are really annoying for this. I'm currently looking for a way how to convert dpatches to inline and vice versa for that [12:35] but I don't agree that staging source packages through a bzr archive is useful [12:36] since the source package archive also has all of the properties of an RCS [12:36] having the source stored to bzr is extra work [12:36] seb128: this doesn't get me anything for merging new upstream versions when I have done changes to the upstream source [12:36] you have to keep them in sync [12:36] I still find it useful for several people working on a package (like hal), or merging with Debian's svn [12:36] but those are limited cases [12:36] siretart: you have to merge patches which don't apply by hand anyway [12:36] Keybuk: I'm more confident if I can track the changes while resolving conflicts [12:36] yeah, it does make some sense if you have a team working on each release [12:36] you can as well use dpatch-edit [12:36] or upstream/Debian use an RCS as well [12:37] siretart: emacs provides me that workflow [12:37] but for a drive-by patching affair like devmapper, it's minimal tweak changes, upload, round of testing, you or someone else tweaks again, upload, round of testing [12:39] Keybuk: It's hard for me to review your changes. I surely want to understand and learn the devmapper/mdadm/lvm chaos, and I wanted so see what steps you have done in the past [12:39] why is it hard? [12:39] you can look at the debdiffs, no? [12:39] I'm currently downloading all past devmapper uploads [12:39] a ready bzr branch and bzrk would have helped me here [12:40] that's lot of extra work for little win though [12:40] http://patches.ubuntu.com/by-release/ubuntu/d/devmapper/ [12:41] oh. I didn't know that url. that's indeed helpful. [12:41] actually [12:41] thanks [12:41] http://patches.ubuntu.com/by-release/atomic/ubuntu/d/devmapper/ [12:41] even more helpful [12:42] since if you look at the 1ubuntu4 patch, it's only the changes made from 1ubuntu3 -> 1ubuntu4 [12:42] Wow... [12:42] that sure beats the crap out of extracting the old versions from launchpad and debdiff'ing them. === shawarma feels really silly now [12:43] too bad that I missed the announcment of the by-release directory :/ [12:43] *cough* err, it's one of Keybuk's secret little toys that he's not got around to documenting [12:43] just like the e-mail interface that lets you subscribe to uploads per-package/per-distro [12:44] e.g. subscribe to all Debian changes to a particular package [12:44] Sounds shiny! [12:44] I'm looking forward to see that e-mail interface advertised :) [12:45] involves my CFT [12:45] CFT? [12:46] copious free time [12:48] now that's cool [12:48] seb128: what do you think about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mobile/2007-May/000182.html ? [12:50] Mithrandir: can you give-back kdegraphics to pick up new poppler (and make kubuntu-desktop installable again)? [12:52] Lure: no, it's not FTBFS [12:52] Lure: that requires a no-change upload [12:52] pitti: ok, did not know that. will talk with Riddell then [12:53] thanks === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] Mithrandir: I'm not sure of why it's useful. What do they change to the fileselector? the interface? [12:56] seb128: they reimplement it, since the default one isn't too suited on a small screen === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-131-30.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] Mithrandir: patch looks fine, we can apply it only to the new arch anyway, no? [12:57] seb128: we could, but I'd like people to be able to easily develop hildon-based apps natively on their desktop. [12:58] so if you don't mind too much, I'd like us to apply it on all arches. [12:58] it "only" exports some private headers into "semi-public", which means no ABI/API guarantees [12:58] I don't like much changing the public API over upstream but since it's prefixed correctly hildon_ that's ok [12:59] Mithrandir: well, it adds hildon_gtk_file_chooser_install_properties to the API no? [12:59] it should go away eventually when we get gvfs and upstream is comfortable exporting the API [01:00] which means not this cycle [01:00] patch is fine with me, I'll try building GTK+ with it now [01:00] seb128: true, it adds that function [01:00] sorry I didn't see it before [01:01] and it's guarded with defines so you have to tell the system "I know this might/will break". [01:02] right === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] seb128: Hi, is there any special reason that justifies libgtop2 removal from Gutsy? [01:13] seb128: we detected it while testing Gutsy translation opening and Danilo told me it's still a GNOME 2.19 dependency [01:13] ot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thevoyagers/518750492/ google in 20 years ;] === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj is now known as iwj_ === Hobbsee pokes pitti [01:28] Hobbsee: eek [01:28] pitti: were you going to look into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poppler/+bug/117388 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poppler/+bug/114186? I believe you did the last poppler upload [01:28] Launchpad bug 117388 in poppler "missing header file in libpoppler-qt-dev" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] Hobbsee: can do, a bit later === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.37.20] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nuu [n=neuro@host119-68-static.104-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] Ah, that's better. === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.146.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt scratches his head at bug 117256 [01:30] Launchpad bug 117256 in Ubuntu "Thats What She Said!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117256 [01:31] pitti: thanks. then i can fix koffice and such :) [01:32] Retrieving message nnn (of 357) from .... oh dear. And that's not including what's still queued up at my MX. [01:34] iwj: introduce a data loss bug. problem solved. === jvw_ is now known as jvw === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin_ [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin_ [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] carlos: it has been renamed "libgtop" [01:53] seb128: oh, cool! === carlos moves old translations to the new package [01:53] carlos: can translation be migrated? [01:53] cool [01:54] carlos: do you want to be pinged when a package is renamed? control-center has been renamed gnome-control-center [01:55] seb128: I will discover it while approving manually translations, but if you notify us, that's more easy === stdin_ [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === binary2k2 [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:05] Riddell: fyi, http://merges.ubuntu.com/main-manual.html has some outstanding kde merges, including new upstream versions === mderk [n=ubiq@116.21.98.195] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] doko: ack. today it going through e-mail backlog day but I'll get to those soon === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] Riddell: If you want to throw one to me, feel free. === ogra-classmate [n=teacher@p548afd32.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:13] StevenK: take them all if you want :) [02:13] Heh [02:14] I dealt with kio-apt a few days ago, that was painful. :-) [02:14] not knetworkmanager though [02:18] what does one do with http://librarian.launchpad.net/7834592/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.freemind_0.7.1-6_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? It's failing as j2re1.4 and j2sdk1.4 are build-deps, and the licence file isnt being accepted on the buildds. [02:18] Hobbsee: it should have been preseeded on the buildds. [02:19] I'll ask Adam to fix it. [02:19] okay, thanks === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === antonym55 [n=antony@116.24.106.28] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@195.244.169.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ion_ [n=ion@heh.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mako_ [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tiagoboldt [n=tiagobol@87-196-91-35.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye!"] === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@vawad-xen1.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] shawarma: thanks for getting in touch with charlie === persia [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:00] dholbach: No problem. I was a bit afraid to open the tarball I got, but it's looking really good, actually. [03:00] nice :) [03:02] the only major problem was copyright stuff that needs to be settled. The technical side of things were 92% done. :) [03:02] rock and roll - maybe Charlie can help with documenting that [03:05] Definitely. === kent [n=kent@82.145.145.164] has joined #ubuntu-devel === binary2k2 [i=stdin@82-37-240-159.cable.ubr07.smal.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tiagoboldt [n=tiagobol@87-196-91-35.net.novis.pt] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === agoliveira [n=adilson@201.86.100.210.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] hi, anyone know why debootstrap is broken in Gusty? [03:15] mruiz: you mean debootstrapping gutsy doesn't work, or debootstrap itself is broken? [03:16] pitti: debootstrapping feisty in gutsy doesn't work today. [03:17] pitti: I was creating my gusty environment to process a merge, but I had this error: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/16442/. mount -t proc proc /proc [03:17] pbuilder: debootstrap failed === cypher1 [n=cypher1@c-68-83-184-230.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpytasz [n=dduck@81.219.176.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] I actually quite like LVM [03:32] I must be unwell [03:32] Bwahaha [03:32] Keybuk, heh, i like not having a gazillion partitions on disk... === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:33] ZFS FTW! === StevenK twitches. [03:34] Yes, now if someone could just make a zfs for everyone without solaris love. ;) [03:34] Keybuk, rock on! [03:34] Hopefully, ZFS doesn't need the pox of Sun disklabels. [03:34] we could call it the Filesystem That Works [03:34] StevenK, heh, it doesn't care about partitions [03:34] StevenK, you have to feed it whole disks. [03:35] Ahh [03:35] then we could "mount -t ftw ..." :p [03:35] kylem: strictly speaking, I think you can feed it anything, it just prefers whole, single, disks [03:35] aye [03:35] maswan, ah, i've only used disks. [03:35] Keybuk: And then we get bug reports saying "File system name tells lies!" [03:36] StevenK: Easy to fix, just add a alias for Filesystem That Lies. :) [03:36] Keybuk: i thought that was reiser? :P [03:36] racarr will tell you! [03:36] hobbsee: Haha [03:36] Hahah === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye!"] [03:36] Hobbsee, aw, don't be mean. [03:36] the evmsishness of ZFS is really appealing [03:37] kylem: but...but... [03:37] Keybuk, indeed. [03:37] "here are my disks; now give me a 4GB" [03:37] Keybuk, the temptation to NIH something better is strong. === desrt sees a keybuk [03:37] it's like evms, but without the soul-crushing pain [03:37] Does its license prevent it from being used in Linux? [03:38] Keybuk, it's a pity you took off to the airport early, we met Jeff Bonwick that friday [03:38] yeah :-( [03:38] ion_: CDDL is GPL-incompatible, unfortunately. [03:38] bit of luck I did too, by the time I'd got checked in and through customs, I didn't have long [03:38] yow. [03:38] Fujitsu: but there's a gpl-ed port, I thought? [03:38] we had a good 2 hour wait at SFO [03:38] taxi took an age to arrive [03:38] There's a FUSE port. [03:38] Mithrandir, no, it's FUSE based. [03:38] Sun said they mihgt license the whole of opensolaris as gpl in some point in the future. I hope that includes zfs. [03:38] kylem: oh, ok. [03:39] Speaking of evms, is it going to get it's comeuppance and get demoted to universe? [03:39] There's a very basic GPLed read-only implementation for grub [03:39] kylem: Oh, you've met him too, he's quite interesting to talk to. Him and Bill Moore was at a storage workshop I went to a couple of months ago [03:39] So someone /could/ go from there [03:39] StevenK: upstream refuse to support Linux 2.6 ... morgue could be a destination [03:39] maswan, yeah, bill moore was there too. [03:40] Keybuk: Oh, even better. [03:40] Actually, wait a sec? [03:40] What does EVMS have over LVM? [03:40] evms has an upstream? I thought it sprang from hell, fully formed?! [03:40] Fujitsu; enterprise support [03:41] Keybuk: eh? It works just fine with 2.6. [03:41] Keybuk: eh? [03:41] Mithrandir: tried it on gutsy? [03:41] Fujitsu; lvm doesn't work on enterprises :) [03:41] fujitsu: From what ive heard you tell it e.g. please resize this to 10GiB and it does all the steps involved correctly, whereas with poking plain filesystems, LVM and md, you might have to do multiple steps and you might be able to break something along the way. [03:41] Keybuk: my machines still boot. [03:42] kylem: oh, btw, did you send anything yesterday? [03:42] Mithrandir: do you have any non-evms block devices? [03:42] maswan, ah, shit, i forgot. [03:42] maswan, 1sec. [03:42] maswan, it's already uploaded, just need to untar & mv [03:42] Keybuk: yes. [03:42] thom: evms attempts to make a devmapper device for every block device on the system, whether it intends to do anything with them or not [03:42] ugh [03:42] thom: this fails if any of them are in use, e.g. mounted [03:42] aye [03:43] upstream's approach to this is to patch out the kernel features that cause this [03:43] Yowch! [03:43] StevenK: since you have done exiv2 sync, do you have any plans with digikam (note: 0.9.2 beta2 was just released, but not yet in debian) [03:43] Lure: I didn't, I can. [03:43] Keybuk: or rather, to tell you to not run evms and non-evms volumes on the same physical device. === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:44] StevenK: since allee (debian packager) is on vacation, we could to Beta2-0-ubuntu1 and then he can merge back in debian after he is back [03:44] Lure: We could, yes. [03:45] StevenK: ok, I can prepare package, but will need core-dev for upload ;-) [03:45] Lure: You can file a bug and subscribe u-m-s. [03:45] Alternatively, you can pick on me, if you wish. [03:45] Lure: why not get a DD to upload it to debian, if allee's fine with that, then sync it? [03:46] Mithrandir: it still fails because evms still tries to make the devices [03:46] There's that, too. [03:46] or can you not abuse NMU like that? [03:46] it's default configuration is to assume all volumes are for evms [03:46] Hobbsee: You can, it's just frowned upon. [03:46] StevenK: even if the maintainer says it's fine? :P [03:46] Keybuk: don't tell my machines, since they work fine. :-P [03:46] IIRC, it was strongly encouraged by evms upstream to not mix evms and non-evms managed devices on the same disk [03:46] Hobbsee: yep, we can try fabo or somebody to sponsor debian upload === Hobbsee points Lure to StevenK [03:47] Ssshh! [03:47] oh. wait. i didnt say that. [03:47] Hobbsee: oh, did not know he is DD too ;-) [03:47] sorry steve :P [03:47] digikam is maintained by "Debian KDE Extras Team" - this implies more than one person. [03:47] Hobbsee: Hmph. [03:48] Lure: might push pusling/ana to upload it, then. [03:48] or their sponsors. although i thougth ana was a DD [03:50] Keybuk: should we think about having evms be removed by the upgrader if it isn't in use? [03:51] mdz: we've never been able to define "in use" :-/ [03:51] Lure: #debian-qt-kde on oftc - just dont get them onto ubuntu policies. [03:51] and they wont bite [03:51] much [03:51] Keybuk: the existence of any evms volumes other than compatibility volumes [03:51] mdz: if there's a way to detect that, it would be a great idea [03:52] since this appears to bite the people who have evms installed because we once installed it by default [03:52] and the people who actually use it, seem completely happy and unaffected [03:52] kinda a corner case, but that will break systems where people only have evms on hotplugged drives. === johanbr [n=j@JBrannlund.MathStat.Dal.Ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] if they don't have any /dev/evms mount points in fstab, i think we can probably get away with removing it on upgrade [03:53] (it does still use /dev/evms, right?) [03:55] mdz: no, you can't do that. I use cryptsetup on evms, for instance. [03:56] evand: do you know what the current state of the installer is? Does it make sense to start building daily cds again? [03:56] Mithrandir: do you even use the release upgrader? :-P [03:56] mdz: no, it refused to upgrade to gutsy two weeks ago. [03:56] so yes, I tried, but it failed since it didn't know about gutsy yet. [03:57] Mithrandir: Negative, I do not know the answer to that, unfortunately. [03:57] evand: ok. [03:57] I'll be happy to test it in a short while though, if you have not already. === highvoltage [n=highvolt@196.1.61.41] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] evand: I haven't, no. Usually, we've hold off dailies until they make sense, but I haven't spoken with colin in a little while so I'm not sure about the status. [03:59] Mithrandir: is there any point anyway until the desktop packages are actually installable? [03:59] Hobbsee: we build server CDs, and it helps highlight the problems. [03:59] ahhhh === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:01] the evms failure mode right now seems to be 1) install evms 2) reboot 3) computer fails to mount root filesystem because it's "in use" [04:01] or 1) being "have evms already installed" [04:01] oh damn that poppler bug. [04:02] Keybuk: we could switch evms into only claiming the devices it actually uses? [04:02] or is that hard? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:03] Mithrandir: that would be the ideal solution, however no idea how hard that is === Hobbsee waits for pitti to fix it. [04:04] Hobbsee: yeah, yeah, I'm still Mithrandir's slave ATM; but you are high on the list now :) [04:05] pitti: hooray! === j_ack [n=jack@p508D80A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:07] pitti: just dont make me get out the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P [04:07] Hobbsee: "Oh no, not again!" [04:07] pitti: (all of the kde packages are failing due to this, it seems, so i'm kinda interested in it) [04:07] hehe [04:08] Hobbsee: ready with NEW; so, it's only those two bugs? [04:08] pitti: i think so. i havent seen more. check for poppler bugs in the package though, i guess === fnordus [n=dnall@24.85.128.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:10] pitti: maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poppler/+bug/74366 too. Hobbseeparser is dying on that one [04:10] Launchpad bug 74366 in poppler "Missing dependency" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [04:11] Hobbsee: I just dup'ed that to #114186 === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host122-198-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:12] pitti: even better. i thought ti might be === ubuntu_laptop [n=ubuntu_l@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:17] doko: do you wan't to look at the syslinux debdiff before I upload it? [04:17] s/'// === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@dsl-151-121.aei.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:17] tepsipakki: did you test it? [04:18] yes [04:18] colins test suite worked fine [04:18] with the new gfxboot-patch from suse [04:18] then go ahead and upload [04:19] ok, thanks [04:19] tepsipakki: out of interest, did it still need fixes for -fno-stack-protector? [04:19] pitti: upstream has those === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.99.169] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:19] tepsipakki: sweet [04:19] where needed [04:19] so I dropped the patch [04:22] ok, uploaded.. === pitti hugs tepsipakki for relieving him of a TIL package he doesn't understand well === tepsipakki hugs pitti back [04:24] I hate the TIL rule at work. [04:25] StevenK: well, it's still the one that makes most sense without introducing a lot of bureaucracy [04:25] pitti: Yeah, that's true. === afflux_ [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:26] pitti: were you doing binary NEW or source NEW? [04:26] Hobbsee: both (specifically for the Mobile project, since it's not my archive day) [04:26] ah right. no problem [04:27] anything that's urgent for you? [04:28] pitti: there's kde-tweak, the guy's uploaded a new version on it. so only urgent to kick another thing off revu. poppler stuff is more important [04:30] pitti: ie, no [04:35] doko: Thanks for the offer, I've joined pythoneers. [04:36] Hobbsee: poppler uploaded === sn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:36]