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[12:20] yes [12:23] Riddell: does this hilight for you? kubuntu [12:23] oops, I hilighted your nick [12:23] kubuntu [12:23] ^^^ did that hilight? [12:25] well, yes [12:26] kubuntu ? [12:26] irssi is supposed to not hilight it if you insert junk like ^B^B in there. so I thought that the bot could be changed to do that. but that doesn't seem like it will work :/ === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@unaffiliated/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:44] Hi all === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-76-102-74-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:35] @schedule sydney [01:35] Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 30 May 01:00: Kernel Team | 30 May 07:00: Community Council | 30 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 31 May 06:00: Xubuntu Developers | 01 Jun 02:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Jun 07:00: Kubuntu Developers [02:17] @schedule denver [02:17] Schedule for America/Denver: 29 May 09:00: Kernel Team | 29 May 15:00: Community Council | 30 May 06:00: Edubuntu | 30 May 14:00: Xubuntu Developers | 31 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 15:00: Kubuntu Developers === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined 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31 May 13:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 18:00: Kubuntu Developers === kylem [n=kyle@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pkl_ [n=phillip@unaffiliated/pkl/x-764568] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:01] Ok, everyone here? === lfittl [n=lfittl@213.129.230.12] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:01] yes [05:01] yep [05:01] Anyone who wants to follow along, agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting although we only loosely follow it [05:02] This meeting, I wanted to start off with the team catching each other up on what we're doing [05:03] Kyle just reminded me that rtg (Tim) probably is on vacation [05:03] on a raft in Montana somewhere... === tideline [n=tideline@65.98.69.13] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:03] I'll start. but I'm pretty basic. Been merging patches from feisty into gutsy kernel, and sending those patches upstream. Working on a -6.12 upload right now [05:04] Today I'll start merging some more patches, some of the bigger ones like toshiba_acpi [05:04] I may end up doing that in linux-ubuntu-modules instead, and disable the one in the kernel [05:05] kylem: how you been doing? === pp [n=pp@189.169.26.169] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:06] i haven't really done anything kernel related in the las tweek. [05:06] getting intel X support up to snuff for gutsy and then back for feisyt. [05:07] mobile stuff? === BenC_ [n=bcollins@collinsap1.phunnypharm.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:08] BenC_, no. [05:08] Ok, we can catch up on the other stuff later then [05:08] pkl_: how's things with you? [05:10] I've been following post-feisty kernel upload bugs and emails. Going to start a new release, and integrate the current crop of patches to be put in. [05:10] pkl_: did you discover what caused the storage bug? [05:10] kylem: I noticed important changes to the intel X driver in gutsy such as support for rotation [05:10] In addition, done a bit of work on the mobile stuff, mainly Unionfs 2.0 status, and ODF (On disk format) investigation === j1mc [n=jim@157.199.22.10] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:11] Will be falling back to looking at Squashfs instrumentation to investigate the liveCD slowdown soon. [05:12] What storage bug BTW? There's lots of the upload broke booting, fstab, resume etc. All down to the reversion of libata support for PATA. [05:12] I don't think it's really a bug, but some people noticed hdX changing to sdX === avoine_ [n=avoine@69.70.0.36] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:13] I think they had hardcoded stuff in fstab, not using UUID's [05:13] or maybe it was sdX to hdX [05:13] Most seem to have noticed sdX changing to hdX... All the breakage seems to have been caused by hardcoding devices in various files. [05:14] one other common non-bug I noticed was people complaining we "broke" their locally compiled modules, so I'm suggesting to Kees to update the security notices on ABI bump kernels to include a note saying "ABI changes, recompile your locally compiled modules" [05:15] pkl_: any real regressions come out of that? === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@133.15.236.89.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:16] Couple of people complaining that the ps/2 fix doesn't fix VIA chipsets. Some VIA chipsets seem to be exhibiting the same problems as SiS chipsets, but the fix doesn't work and so the underlying cause is obviously different. What the cause is however is not apparent. [05:16] pkl_: Are the VIA chipsets a regression from edgy still? [05:18] I've not any regressions so far... There's been some complaints that some -16.28 packages have been missing, or dependencies still based on -15.27... [05:18] pkl_: what's the status of the mobile kernel flavour? [05:18] pkl_: did you receive the config from intel? [05:18] pkl_: We can discuss this more on kernel-team@ if you need some help with these bugs...sounds like overall there weren't any major issues with -16 vs. -15 [05:19] The VIA chipsets are a regression from edgy, in addition mice on VirtualPC are still broken. [05:19] mdz: I've received nothing from Intel. [05:19] Ok, I remember the VirtualPC one being the initial test case...I couldn't get VirtualPC working though [05:19] mdz: Re: Intel-Mobile stuff, we haven't gotten a single bit from them, that I know of [05:20] mdz: Should Phillip post to ubuntu-mobile requesting updates on kernel side? [05:21] BenC: he should contact rob rhoads directly [05:21] Ok === ubuntu_laptop [n=ubuntu_l@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:21] and then mail ubuntu-mobile to let folks know what's happening, once there's something to tell [05:23] Noted, thanks [05:23] I want to skip ahead to KVM/cr3 topic... [05:24] ahoy, the KVM has been connected to each desktop in the hardware certification lab [05:24] to access the hardware certification network, I have decided to configure a VPN with dynamic addressing so that multiple can connect at the same time [05:25] What software do we use to access it? [05:25] to access the machines, there is a Java client which enables the user to select the machine [05:26] to poweron the machines, the machines are connected to PDUs which can manage the power to the machines [05:26] the BIOS of the machines are all configured to poweron when power is detected on the power supply [05:26] this is necessary because the machines are still located in an office which becomes prohibitively hot when the machines are all turned on [05:27] So we should power them down when we aren't using them? [05:27] to address this problem, I will be sending quotes for colocation centers this afternoon which should be approved in a matter of a week or two [05:27] BenC: ideally, yes [05:28] the process of configuring the VPN and using the client software should be straightforward, the problem is mostly having to deal with the PDUs which I would like to spare for you guys [05:28] Is there a howto page where we can go on how to configure the vpn and client? [05:28] so, I see a couple options: 1. until we get a colocation center, the distro team could ping me to poweron machines; 2. I could provide detailed instructions on managing the PDUs sometime this week. [05:28] I have to be honest, it's been years since I used a VPN on Linux [05:29] BenC: not yet, but it's on my TODO list. when would you like the instructions, just for the VPN and client to start with? [05:30] yeah, just being able to test this setup would be a good first step [05:31] BenC: sure, I could aim to provide these instructions sometime tomorrow and how should I inform the distro team about it? === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:31] Any chance the machines could have a CDRW media inserted in them constantly so we can do "burn ISO, reboot to livecd, install, reboot to new system" tests? [05:32] cr3: I can give you an email address to send it to [05:32] BenC: about half the machines don't even have a CDROM device because I often receive bare motherboards from Intel [05:32] cr3: Ah, right...is there a PXE boot server? [05:33] BenC: yes, and I would like to spend the next couple weeks improving the usability of the PXE boot server which I call a certification appliance [05:33] the reason for this naming is that I would eventually like it to become a reusable component, for people like Intel for example [05:34] cool [05:34] mvo has also expressed interest in running a certification appliance, just for the automatic building process [05:35] so, we could schedule discussing the certification appliance at the next kernel meeting in a couple weeks [05:35] Sounds good...thanks for your time cr3 [05:35] BenC: does that seem like a reasonable timeline for you? [05:35] yes, right after Tribe 1 is when we'll probably want to start using it [05:36] that's when our bug level increases from more exposure [05:36] IOU: 1. VPN and KVM client instructions tomorrow; 2. certification appliance on June 12th. [05:36] we should also consider discussing the status of colocation at the next meeting [05:36] Ok, noted for next agenda [05:36] thanks! [05:37] have a good week cr3, and thanks again [05:37] Alright, moving on to Tribe 1 preparation [05:38] 2.6.22-rc3, aka Ubuntu-2.6.22-6.12, was uploaded this morning, but I have a ppc build failure to contend with [05:39] I'll have that done by today, and do lum/lrm/meta behind it, so hopefully by the end of tomorrow, things will be stable [05:39] @schedule caracas [05:39] Schedule for America/Caracas: Current meeting: Kernel Team | 29 May 17:00: Community Council | 30 May 08:00: Edubuntu | 30 May 16:00: Xubuntu Developers | 31 May 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 17:00: Kubuntu Developers [05:40] that will give us only 8 days till tribe 1, so this is most likely the kernel that will be in that milestone [05:40] fyi, Tribe is scheduled for June 7th [05:40] *1 [05:41] I'm not aware of any showstoppers for this, but anyone have any known issues we should be worrying about? [05:43] Eerie silence :) [05:43] well assumed silence meant no from me :) [05:44] You guys running gutsy kernel yet? [05:44] yeah. [05:44] on all my machines. [05:44] nice [05:45] no, I've been running the test Feisty kernel. Now it's released, I could move to gutsy... [05:46] pkl_: you gotten a xeon mobo yet? [05:46] probably good if you could keep feisty on at least one machine [05:46] even if it's dual-boot [05:47] BenC: not yet (xeon mobo). [05:47] well, I think that's it for us...any topics anyone wants to bring up before we cut out? [05:49] Excellent, thanks for coming everyone, and have a good week...thanks to pkl and rtg (absent) for their first security uploads this past week === kylem [n=kyle@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === pp [n=pp@189.169.26.169] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === pkl_ [n=phillip@unaffiliated/pkl/x-764568] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === j1mc [n=jim@157.199.22.10] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:15] :) [06:16] eh, wrong chan === Lure [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:23] @schedule ljubljana [06:23] Schedule for Europe/Ljubljana: Current meeting: Kernel Team | 29 May 23:00: Community Council | 30 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 30 May 22:00: Xubuntu Developers | 31 May 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 23:00: Kubuntu Developers === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 29 May 21:00 UTC: Community Council | 30 May 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 30 May 20:00 UTC: Xubuntu Developers | 31 May 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 21:00 UTC: Kubuntu Developers | 05 Jun 19:00 UTC: Technical Board === simira [n=simira@aine.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Numer0bis [n=chris@80-219-77-159.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === simira [n=simira@aine.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === yoda_van [n=jim_fish@mobile-166-217-165-174.mycingular.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Martinp23 [n=Martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:13] @schedule chicago [07:13] Schedule for America/Chicago: 29 May 16:00: Community Council | 30 May 07:00: Edubuntu | 30 May 15:00: Xubuntu Developers | 31 May 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 16:00: Kubuntu Developers | 05 Jun 14:00: Technical Board === LuizArmesto [n=LuizArme@201-68-253-164.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:19] LuizArmesto, \o/ [07:20] n3t0: ;) === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Susana_ [n=Susana@bl6-6-162.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === profoX` [n=wesley@d54C0E764.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:59] !schedule Brussels [07:59] heh.. [07:59] @schedule Brussels [07:59] Schedule for Europe/Brussels: 29 May 23:00: Community Council | 30 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 30 May 22:00: Xubuntu Developers | 31 May 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 23:00: Kubuntu Developers | 05 Jun 21:00: Technical Board [08:00] @schedule berlin [08:00] Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 29 May 23:00: Community Council | 30 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 30 May 22:00: Xubuntu Developers | 31 May 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 23:00: Kubuntu Developers | 05 Jun 21:00: Technical Board === ExpresS [n=chris__3@dyn-83-156-71-21.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === amachu [n=amachu@122.164.54.101] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:15] hi.. it will be 2.30 AM here in India for me to attend the CC meeting [08:15] i will try my level best.. to wake up back.. [08:15] :-) === jeang [n=jeang@dsl-244-140-46.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === svaksha [n=svaksha@unaffiliated/svaksha] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-101-115.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:23] @schedule Brazil [08:24] @schedule Brazil/West [08:24] Schedule for Brazil/West: 29 May 17:00: Community Council | 30 May 08:00: Edubuntu | 30 May 16:00: Xubuntu Developers | 31 May 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 17:00: Kubuntu Developers | 05 Jun 15:00: Technical Board [08:24] @schedule SaoPaulo === Zelut [n=christer@ubuntu/member/zelut] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === josevitor [n=josevito@201.64.83.242] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-4c77743100b55acb] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=jack@p508D9413.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === atoponce [n=aaron@oalug/member/atoponce] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === bandb|work [n=fasldf@72.54.149.108] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tapH20guru [n=sbarber@wsip-24-249-169-46.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tapH20guru [n=sbarber@wsip-24-249-169-46.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-130-142.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Toxicity999 [n=bryan@unaffiliated/Toxicity999] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-130-142.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=jack@p508D8ACD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-130-142.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === amachu [n=amachu@122.164.190.75] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slackwarelife [n=slackwar@host138-96-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === WaVeR [n=Cobra@80-218-191-254.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:34] Hi [09:34] hi WaVeR [09:37] Man... I hope I don't miss my turn for member interview. I'm supposed to be off around 6-8, but then it's a *huge* list. [09:38] hehe, the meeting will be starting at 23:00 here, I hope it'll end up before 04:00 :) [09:38] Oh yea, I was talking eastern === superm1 [i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:39] So I suppose that means 24-02 I'm *supposed* to be gone. [09:39] Your time anywho. === bashelie1 [n=bashelie@gov91-1-82-234-91-6.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === GazzaK [n=Dogbert@colchester-lug/pdpc.supporter.active.GazzaK] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:42] I hope it works out =[ I don't have much of an option, I'm generally off that time every night So we can occasionally get a phone call (hehe, dialup right now) === Tribaal [n=tribaal@174.71.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:49] Hi folks === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:54] room is pretty quiet for a council... [09:54] Tribaal, it doesnt start for 1hr 5min i thought? === towsonu2003 [n=towsonu2@c-69-251-20-244.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:55] yeah, its an hour away [09:55] err forgive me, I messed up the timezone settings :) === bdmurray [n=bdmurray@mylar.outflux.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:04] @time [10:04] Current time in Etc/UTC: May 29 2007, 20:04:53 - Next meeting: Community Council in 55 minutes === Zelut [n=christer@ubuntu/member/zelut] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === jeang [n=jeang@dsl-244-140-46.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === he1ix [n=ehrenfeu@fachschaft.informatik.uni-freiburg.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === FaBMak [n=fabricio@201-40-12-111.gnace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:20] FaBMak, ae [10:20] opa === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === he1ix [n=ehrenfeu@fachschaft.informatik.uni-freiburg.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === WRATHCHILD [i=WRATHCHI@190.37.187.122] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === afflux [i=fnord@pentabarf.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [10:32] @time [10:32] Current time in Etc/UTC: May 29 2007, 20:32:38 - Next meeting: Community Council in 27 minutes === aerials [n=aerials@3.167.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ablomen [n=ablomen@unaffiliated/ablomen] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === C7 [n=C7@77-56-188-114.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === C7 is now known as akvo === arualavi [n=Iva@84.76.94.4] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === OgMaciel [n=omaciel@ubuntu/member/gnukemist] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sfair [n=sfair@200.145.13.81] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:46] hello [10:46] Seveas: ping [10:46] hi OgMaciel [10:47] hey Seveas... just wanted to leave my +1 for sfair and n3t0... I may not be around === OgMaciel needs to drive back home [10:48] Seveas: would you pass my message on to the CC? === Bonzodog [n=bonzodog@unaffiliated/bonzodog] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:48] Given that I'm last on the list for member interviews, anyone have a good approximation of when I'll be up? I have to leave for like an hour through the meeting =S not my choice. [10:48] hi [10:49] Toxicity999, the list is too long for one meting, i expect that only half of the people on the list will get called === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Current meeting: Community Council | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 30 May 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 30 May 20:00 UTC: Xubuntu Developers | 31 May 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 21:00 UTC: Kubuntu Developers | 05 Jun 19:00 UTC: Technical Board [10:50] Seveas Ah okay, cool. [10:50] its 2:20 AM here in India === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === yann2 [n=yann2@cpc2-oxfd2-0-0-cust288.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === vaiursch [n=erwin@84-72-190-106.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F7041D.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:51] heh, bdmurray is going for membership? [10:51] bdmurray: ummmmmmm ;) [10:51] sorry for this - @time [10:52] nixternal: indeed I am [10:52] has the meeting started? [10:53] no [10:53] it starts in seven minutes === pleia2 [n=lyz@clockbot.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:53] Seveas: big YES from me for Tm_T (Jussi Kekkonen), bdmurray (the bug god), txwikinger (Ralph Janke), effie_jayx (Efrain Valles) [10:53] nixternal, OgMaciel: yes/no means nothing. Arguments please :) === Daviey [n=daviey@ubuntu/member/daviey] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:54] they rock! [10:54] ;) [10:54] and you suck. Next! [10:54] :p [10:54] grr [10:54] @lart lart lart! [10:54] Seveas: I have written testimonials for both of them === ajmitch wonders if bdmurray has done quite enough bug work yet [10:54] hahahahaha [10:54] Seveas: be nice, or I might have to remove your membership ;) === MikeB- [n=dbasinge@ubuntu/member/MikeB-] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:54] OgMaciel, on their wikipages? [10:54] nixternal: if you can tell us why, it will help [10:54] ajmitch, barely [10:54] Seveas: yes. just wanted a "vocal" +1 ;) === bluekuja [n=andy@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:55] man, I need to run....but everyone knows bdmurray already [10:55] Seveas: you think another few thousand would help? [10:55] ~time === welp [n=welp@gentoo/developer/welp] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:55] ~time [10:55] Seveas: in other words, you could say: "Og said +1 from him" :) [10:55] ~time [10:55] @time [10:55] Current time in Etc/UTC: May 29 2007, 20:55:25 - Current meeting: Community Council [10:55] Tm_T is a big help in Kubuntu with a ton of things, if Riddell is around I am sure he will pimp him and so with the other Kubuntu guys [10:55] sacater, stop it [10:55] afternoon all [10:55] Seveas: cant get the keys right [10:55] please excuse sacater tonight, he didn't seep at all last night. [10:55] effie_jayx rocks out a lot of marketing stuff and does way more than I do with Marketing [10:55] welp: 36 hours now :D === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:56] imbrandon: *nod* [10:56] and txwikinger is in that crowd as well for rocking the marketing scene and I am sure Corey can attest to it as well [10:56] man sacater too....jeesh === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === elmo [n=james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === keescook [n=kees@ubuntu/member/keescook] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Brunellus [n=tdeguzma@unaffiliated/brunellus] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:57] sacater: wait until you didn't sleep for 3 full days ;) [10:57] and pleia2 is rocking the Ubuntu US LoCo scene --- I thought for some reason she was already a member...under a new name :) [10:57] JanC: im doing a sorta sleepathon [10:57] JanC, sssh, don't give him ideas! [10:57] JanC: im aiming for all of half-term [10:57] sriramadas, superm1: around? [10:57] ... [10:57] Hi Seveas [10:57] nixternal: heh, a few people thought I was already a member [10:57] I did that at a festival, so I didn't have anything important to do :) === sabdfl_ [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:58] so, how many of the CC are here now? [10:58] yeah, sacater chose a *really* idiotic time to "not sleep" === sabdfl_ [n=mark@87-194-36-33.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:58] Seveas: we are short jerome and mikeb [10:58] here [10:58] MikeB-, is here [10:58] mako's not === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ubuntu/member/gwaihir] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach is around [10:58] I won't be able to stay for that long. How many members are we hoping to get through today? All of em? [10:59] mdke, let's hope not... === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:59] We really need to start delegating membership to teams === imbrandon pops his head in [10:59] I'll stay ~2h max too [10:59] jono around? [10:59] Good evening everyone [10:59] I will have to leave in 2 - 2.5 hours [10:59] how many new members are there for you lot to recruit? [10:59] has jono vetted the member candidates? === sacater bows at sabdfl_ === Brunellus genuflects at sabdfl_ [10:59] ok, let's get started. Order in the room please === nixternal has to go learn how to be a programmer - GOOD LUCK to the candidates === abruederli [n=abrueder@197-78.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:00] agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda, first on the agenda is superm1 with the mythtv team [11:00] sabdfl_: don't see him, is he traveling today to LinuxTag === Ubuntuser [n=ubuntuse@ubuntu/member/ubuntuser] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:00] (sriramadas is not here for derivative team) [11:00] MikeB-: I though he'd travel tomorrow [11:00] MikeB-: yes about Jono (read blog) [11:00] Okay, i'll get started then: [11:00] Hi, i'm Mario Limonciello and I'm one of the folks here representing the Ubuntu MythTV team. We were formed roughly 8 months ago, unofficially. My teamates and I have been working to make MythTV on Ubuntu a very solid experience that is easy to use. You can see our wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MythTVTeam === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === spaceinvader [n=server@unaffiliated/spaceinvader] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:00] and some information about our upcoming Ubuntu remix, Mythbuntu at: http://www.mythbuntu.org. [11:00] welp: :P [11:01] and I'm here on behalf of the MythTeam too [11:01] Seveas: does anyone know what the issue that is referred to in the link under the derivative topic is? [11:01] spaceinvader: please leave, this is not a good time [11:01] and Daviey and keescook too :) === Admiral_Chicago_ [n=freddy@adsl-68-255-99-153.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === spaceinvader [n=server@unaffiliated/spaceinvader] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["bye!"] === keescook waves === ubuntu_demon [n=ubuntu_d@ubuntu/member/ubuntudemon/-x-12083] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:01] hey :) [11:01] mdke, I don't and from the part of the discussion I saw last time, not many people do [11:01] yep, i'm here [11:02] there is some reference to problems with Canonical [11:02] I'll poke sriramadas for next meeting [11:02] sabdfl_: know anything? [11:02] (I've also worked with superm1 from -mythtv) [11:02] Seveas: ok, we'll chase it up via email. === javamaniac [n=gerardo@unaffiliated/javamaniac] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Klaidas [i=Klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === blizzzek [n=blizzz@p57B53109.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:02] the mythtv team looks well organised and well supported to me [11:03] hi === rulus [n=rulus@d54C1A033.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:03] it looks quite well to me too, and I'm happy to see so many people in it [11:03] how many of the mythbuntu changes go directly into Ubuntu? [11:03] we've also got several folks that regular the forums to troll and help posts [11:03] mdke: problems in connection with? [11:03] so far everything but ubiquity [11:03] dholbach, 100% [11:03] (I didn't see the splash screen package in Ubuntu yet, that's why I asked ;-)) [11:04] hi all [11:04] imbrandon: excellent [11:04] crimsun uploaded it a week or so ago [11:04] ah ok [11:04] (the splash) [11:04] superm1: i've had very good feedback from people about mythtv on ubuntu, thanks to your team's work [11:04] it needed a bit of work, but we're striving to do everytign in the archive [11:04] sabdfl_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2007-April/001281.html is the thread referred to [11:04] dholbach: were trying to get it in :) [11:04] (yes) [11:04] @schedule Vilnius [11:04] Schedule for Europe/Vilnius: Current meeting: Community Council | 30 May 15:00: Edubuntu | 30 May 23:00: Xubuntu Developers | 31 May 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Jun 00:00: Kubuntu Developers | 05 Jun 22:00: Technical Board [11:04] do you have close ties to the upstream folks? are there any in the team too? === mode/#ubuntu-meeting [+o Seveas] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-meeting [+b %*!*@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] by Seveas === mode/#ubuntu-meeting [-o Seveas] by ChanServ === c7 [n=c7@77-56-188-114.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Klaidas [i=Klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [11:04] (remove noise during meeting) [11:05] thanks Seveas [11:05] sabdfl_, we've tried to follow as much input on the forums as possible with things that needed work for feisyt [11:05] I've been unhappy with some of their packages when doing reviews of them; I haven't reviewed enough of them to know whether it's a problem with a couple of people who just haven't had enough training or if it's a systemic problem. I suspect the former, in which case it's much easier to fix than in the latter case. === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ypsila [n=opera@wrzb-590ce95f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === bashelie2 [n=bashelie@gov91-1-82-234-91-6.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:05] I think it can be fixed by trying to pull them more into the normal workflow, though. === tapH20guru [n=sbarber@wsip-24-249-169-46.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:06] is there a process in place to deal with the problems Mithrandir mentions? [11:06] within the team, I mean [11:06] Well that was one of the big reasons we are running to be recognized here, we were looking to get a mailing list made [11:06] mdke: oh, no further news from dfarning afaik, and i'm still not sure what he was referring to there [11:06] Mithrandir: I've been trying to help where I know how and to get other MOTU to comment on things I'm less familiar with. [11:06] we currently have IRC at #ubuntu-mythtv [11:06] mdke, yes myself and i know crimsun and keescook atleaste have been working on getting everythgin 100% upto standards packing wise [11:06] but not everyone is on at all times [11:06] mdke, sabdfl_: I'll prod him again by mail. === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:07] sabdfl_: weird. ok We'll follow up with him by email maybe [11:07] (I tend to be pretty rigorous/harsh in reviewing.) [11:07] superm1: a mailing list sounds like a very good idea. [11:07] also, this was a couple of months back, so it might well have improved. [11:07] mdke: We applied for it over two months ago - not sure what the holdup is. [11:07] Mithrandir, yes - i think i know which upload your referring too also. putting some stuff into /home [11:07] and such [11:08] Daviey, general too-much-work-ness in the admin department [11:08] Seveas: heh :) [11:08] Daviey: we have a bit of a problem with mailing list creation at the moment; jono is supposedly working on it so hopefully you will have good news soon === luzi [n=luzi@77-57-12-10.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:08] superm1: if you guys are committed to making your changes in the archive, then i see no problem with official recognition of the team, and also of your dedicated derivative [11:08] mdke: that would be really good. Where we work on so many different timezones - irc doesn't always work out [11:09] sure [11:09] sabdfl_, the only questionable change to commit back to archive will be the ubiquity - because its such a drastic patch that we are applying to it [11:09] perhaps use -motu for now, and poke jono regularly :) === kalon33 [n=kalon33@i02v-62-34-145-118.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:09] superm1: this is to make the system boot straight to myth, right? [11:09] superm1: can't it be modularised or made conditional somehow? === enragedchip [n=ian@colchester-lug/member/enragedchip] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:09] mythbuntu will create a system that boots right into myth and configures myth [11:09] yes sabdfl_ [11:10] Mithrandir, I was going to work with the ubiquity guys after we have our patch fully completed and see how feasible that is === enragedchip [n=ian@colchester-lug/member/enragedchip] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] === markvandenborre [n=mark@ubuntu/member/markvandenborre] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:10] but atm there are a few things yet for us to finish and determine how much needs changing [11:10] superm1, isn't it possible to separate that from ubiquity so people can turn their existing ubuntu boxes into mythtv machines? [11:10] and hook the separate program into ubiquity in your derivative === ScottK has been reviewing superm1's packages on #ubuntu-motu and they definitely seem committed to getting things into the archives and doing things correctly. [11:11] We have docs explaining how to do that right now, but no seperate program yet [11:11] Seveas, yes, thats also done quite easliy now with the currect meta packages [11:11] imbrandon, excellent [11:11] i guess there are two use cases: (1) the box is dedicated, and (2) you want to work on it, then turn it into a myth box, then work on it again [11:11] sounds good. The team clearly has some good peopl behind it and good communication, especially considering they don't have a mailing list yet [11:11] (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV) [11:11] Seveas: We are trying to get everything to work from exisiting repo's - so you don't need the dedicated release === Seveas cheers for the team [11:11] +1 from me [11:11] +1 from me, anyone else want to take a view? [11:11] +1 from me [11:11] I'm very happy with the team as it is, +1 from me too [11:11] +1 from me [11:12] nice [11:12] 5 out of 6, elmo care to cast a vote? [11:12] or are you already hiding for the next subject? ;) [11:12] :) [11:12] +1 [11:12] woo [11:12] excellent, moving on quickly to covr more [11:12] Yay, unanimous vote :) [11:13] Burgundavia, you're on (planet ubuntu editorial) [11:13] superm1: write to us if you don't get your list [11:13] right === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db446d2.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:13] Okay mdke thanks [11:13] we are considering the following spec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntuEditorialPolicy#preview [11:13] the idea was mind, kicked up with the recent dell issue and brought again into the light with the \sh issue [11:14] the primary idea behind the spec is to create 1) a palce for people to contact to get illegal crap removed from planet, including accidential breaches of embargo [11:14] 2) a clearly defined procedure for objectionable content [11:14] mdke and myself have been working on the language over the past day [11:15] could we please tone down the 'censorship' language on there? [11:15] this afternoon I added some thoughts which I found in a previous discussion of these issues, by silbs, sabdfl and cjwatson; so it should have a reasonably cc-ed direction, I hope [11:15] I see it's been improved, but it's still all over the use cases [11:15] i am not particularly happy with the "Material is posted which (generally unintentionally) offends another community member." :( [11:15] 2nd use case looks problematic === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:15] yann2: just to be clear, that is in the Rationale. If you read the spec, it doesn't actually ban such material, far from it [11:16] by illegal, i take it you also mean content which causes legal problems for companies or individuals as well as stuff that is genuinely illegal? [11:16] yann2, me neither, there is too much stuff that might offend at least one person [11:16] "Melanie is a north american conservative catholic feminist, and is _Extremely_ offended by a post from a west european boy" [11:16] what should be very clear: we are not defining what should or should not be banned [11:16] (not related to melissa, but as example) [11:16] just the process for addressing it [11:16] ok :) [11:16] yann2: I don't think you've read the spec very carefully. You've just got stuck at the beginning [11:16] i think the spec could use a little work [11:16] but yeah, the use cases need work [11:16] mdke > i did read it :) [11:16] and the spec in general should have more consultation, I think. It has come onto the agenda rather quickly [11:16] it basically says "it's ok for us to take some stuff off, go here -> to get that done if you think something should come off" [11:17] a very good point was brought up on this in -women, where do we draw the line between offensive/inappoprate and ok to post. [11:17] Since planet is just a mirror, what would be the point of removing information due to breaches of confidentiality? Once something's on the internet, you can't really get it off. [11:17] i brought it up for consulation. I full expect it to require more work [11:17] ScottK: it is about best effort [11:17] in \sh comments, it was proposed to divide the planet in planet ubuntu and ubuntu universe, i would support this idea [11:17] ScottK: because of the wide readership [11:17] ScottK, but on planet it is representing Ubuntu. [11:17] You're going to have to be very clear and explicit about what you consider to be objectionable material that's not suitable for planet. If you're not, your simply going to end up with arbitrary decisions being made for every case. [11:17] it would allow to be more laxist on the "universe" and maybe define stronger guidelines on the planet [11:18] yann2: that is a seperate issue === j_ack_ [n=jack@p508db8e9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:18] i don't think we should aim to please everyone [11:18] PriceChild: so hiding things that happen inside Ubuntu is good ? :) [11:18]