[01:34] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-mobile) agoliveira: hiya; I started on hildon-desktop this morning.  It's slowly getting there now.
[01:34] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-mobile) agoliveira: also, your mce-dummy branch seems to not have any commits in it, do you have any idea what's up with that?
[01:35] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: I think I made a mistake with this one, I was about to ask you btw. I started it but I figured out later that there is a mce-dev in the gutsy repository already.
[01:36] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-mobile) yes, there is
[01:36] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: They are actualloy the same. What to do in that case?
[01:37] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-mobile) agoliveira: I'd fix up the branch so it's in a sane state, then just move on
[01:37] <agoliveira> agoliveira: Fine. Thanks.
[01:38] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Fine. Thanks.
[01:38] <agoliveira> Mithrandir:BTW, I'm working on hildom-fw.
[01:38] <agoliveira> I mean fm.
[01:39] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-mobile) you've seen the branch in LP?
[01:39] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-mobile) also, we might be able to revert most of my hacks from it; seb's agreed to take the patch posted to the mailing list with the minimal set of changes we need for gtk
[01:40] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Hmmm... now you got me. So should I jump it for now?
[01:42] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-mobile) yes, just skip it for now
[01:42] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-mobile) if you could grab osso-af-settings that'd be good
[01:42] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Righto!
[02:31] <mdz> agoliveira: I just synced in mce-dev from maemo directly, since it was trivial and didn't require modification
[02:32] <mdz> it's pretty much just two .h files
[02:32] <agoliveira> mdz: Yes, it's just that.
[03:09] <Mithrandir> yay, hildon-help compiles now.
[03:13] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: I believe we can safelly ignore osso-af-utils, osso-af-startup and osso-app-killer for now. They are specific to booting and organize the Nokia devices. There is one dependency for osso-af-startup in hildon-application-framework but I'll deal with it when the time arrives as I guess I'll have to bypass, addapt or mock-up the app start procedure anyway.
[03:14] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Cool :)
[03:15] <Mithrandir> move them to ignore on the todo list, then?
[03:18] <agoliveira> Sure do.
[04:10] <Mithrandir> ok, libhildonhelp should really be good now.
[04:10] <Mithrandir> I'll update the todo, then go home
[04:13] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Nice. I'm checking out hildon-control-panel. It should be going to hildon-1 but it's not even into the trunk yet.
[04:13] <Mithrandir> ok
[04:14] <Mithrandir> did you get anywhere with osso-af-settings?
[04:16] <agoliveira> It compiled just the way it is. No changes required.
[04:16] <Mithrandir> ah, you said.  Goodie
[04:16] <Mithrandir> I'll get to it tomorrow.
[04:17] <agoliveira> Cool. Have a nice evening.
[04:34] <mdz> Mithrandir,adilson-lunch: do the intel guys ever come by the channel here
[04:34] <mdz> ?
[05:28] <Mithrandir> mdz: I've seen them on-channel, but they don't speak much
[05:42] <adilson> mdz: They hang out more often over the ML. I don't remember anyone around here.
[06:48] <mdz> Mithrandir: did rusty send you his image builder yet?
[06:48] <Mithrandir> no.
[06:48] <Mithrandir> I'll note it down and prod him about it.
[06:49] <mdz> thanks
[09:09] <edmondt> looks like a tight deadline for ubuntu mobile
[09:24] <adilson> edmondt: Yes, it is but we believe that it's feasible.
[09:26] <edmondt> I would be great tho... support for smart phones, synchronization with evolution
[09:27] <Mithrandir> it won't be able to both sing, dance and make coffee at first go, but two out of three should be doable.
[09:28] <lucasr> hei
[09:28] <Mithrandir> hiya lucas
[09:29] <lucasr> Mithrandir, hei :-)
[09:32] <seb128> hey lucasr
[09:33] <adilson> edmondt: Right now we want to create a common and stable base that allows applications to do the the stuff you're talking about to be built.
[09:33] <adilson> lucasr: Oi Lucas.
[09:34] <Mithrandir> apparently, the eds-sync bits were just opened up from Nokia
[09:34] <Mithrandir> so we'd want to pull that in too
[09:36] <lucasr> Mithrandir, cool
[09:36] <lucasr> Mithrandir, very nice piece of software
[09:36] <lucasr> adilson, oi!
[09:36] <lucasr> seb128, yo!
[09:36] <Mithrandir> and I had a chat with pvanhof earlier today, he seemed interested in getting modest or something tinymail-based into ubuntu mobile
[09:50] <lucasr> Mithrandir, I would try to use modest
[09:51] <lucasr> Mithrandir, it will be already integrated with Hildon
[09:51] <lucasr> Mithrandir, integrated = use Hildon
[09:51] <Mithrandir> yup
[09:51] <Mithrandir> that was my thought too.
[09:52] <lucasr> Mithrandir, let me know if you need any help with this. I can talk to Modest developers if needed
[09:52] <lucasr> Mithrandir, they are only a few meters from me :-P
[09:52] <Mithrandir> great. :-)  It'll certainly be interesting once we have hildon-desktop up and running here.-
[09:52] <Mithrandir> s/-$//
[09:53] <Mithrandir> until we have a basic hildon UI, trying to get apps running is a bit insane.
[09:56] <tko> lucasr: btw, why is control panel trunk still not using hildon-1?
[09:56] <lucasr> tko, because the new code is not in trunk yet :-)
[09:57] <lucasr> tko, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/branches/hildon-control-panel/refactoring/
[09:57] <lucasr> tko, I need to merge this thing :-P
[09:57] <lucasr> in trunk
[09:58] <Mithrandir> lucasr: are you a good person to feed our changes to the packaging?
[09:58] <Mithrandir> or should we talk to somebody else?
[09:59] <lucasr> Mithrandir, depends on the package
[09:59] <lucasr> Mithrandir, but if it simplifies to you, you can send me and I forward to the correct person
[09:59] <lucasr> Mithrandir, or tko or fer
[09:59] <lucasr> :-)
[10:00] <Mithrandir> ok
[10:00] <Mithrandir> do you want it by email or is being hassled on IRC good enough?
[10:00] <lucasr> hmm, I can't access irc at work
[10:00] <Mithrandir> ok
[10:00] <Mithrandir> so email then
[10:00] <lucasr> Mithrandir, email me
[10:00] <lucasr> Mithrandir, there's this firewall there
[10:00] <lucasr> :-/
[10:01] <tko> I think the @nokia person in the maintainer field should be able to handle them.. or use bugzilla?
[10:01] <lucasr> tko, yep
[10:02] <lucasr> tko, it's just that *maybe* the maintainer could possibly not be interested in ubuntu mobile stuff and just ignore it
[10:02] <lucasr> :-P
[10:02] <Mithrandir> lucasr: especially when it's fixes like "makes this compile on amd64".
[10:02] <tko> lucasr: true.. thus bugzilla :)
[10:02] <lucasr> tko, Mithrandir, and add us to CC maybe?
[10:03] <Mithrandir> ok
[10:04] <Mithrandir> I'm fine with more or less any workflow, but I'd like there to be a workflow which eases our work since we'll have less of a delta to maintain and gives you fixes you can apply easily.
[10:04] <lucasr> Mithrandir, ok
[10:05] <lucasr> Mithrandir, I guess things will get simpler when we move to gnome infra
[10:05] <tko> I've been considering setting a git mirror of your bzr mirror of our svn for tracking :)
[10:05] <tko> (I already run git-svn on our svn)
[10:05] <tko> too bad git-bzr doesn't exist atm :-(
[10:05] <lucasr> ok, gotta go
[10:05] <Mithrandir> tko: it's called "tailor"
[10:06] <lucasr> night all!
[10:06] <Mithrandir> night, Lucas
[12:25] <landley> mdz: got your email. :)
[12:26] <landley> So I've been pondering bootstrapping Ubuntu on non-x86 platforms for a while.
[12:26] <landley> I spent a largeish chunk of last year making a bootstrapping environment thing (Firmware Linux), which cross compiles a minimal native build environment for various platforms, allowing you to build packages natively under an emulator (usually qemu).
[12:27] <landley> I got it mostly to the point where I could then bootstrap a distro.
[12:27] <landley> I was initially looking at gentoo, but most of the users I talked to wanted debian or ubuntu...