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[02:00] <rogue780|mythser> does anyone here have a toshiba laptop?
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[02:17] <defendguin> hey jono
[02:20] <jono> hey defendguin
[02:22] <defendguin> i'm a member of the local houston ubuntu users group and i was wondering what the heck we should be doing is there some master plan for ubuntu adoption we should be following
[02:22] <defendguin> ?
[02:42] <rogue780|mythser> defendguin, eh?
[02:42] <rogue780|mythser> there are ubuntu users groups?
[02:43] <defendguin> rogue780|mythser: many of them
[02:46] <defendguin>      /join #ubuntu-yournearestbigUScity
[02:47] <rogue780|mythser> nope
[02:47] <rogue780|mythser> nothing in baltimore
[02:47] <rogue780|mythser> and one person in washington
[02:49] <defendguin> maybe their irc channel isn't very active
[02:52] <Daviey> rogue780|mythser: try http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/
[03:11] <defendguin> is there some way to stop the TV display from going to sleep while i have the music play in visualization mode?
[03:16] <keescook> defendguin: I use "xset s off" and "xset -dpms" in my mythtv sessions
[03:17] <defendguin> i thought their might be some built in setting i could adjust
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[06:47] <aLeSD> hi all
[06:49] <aLeSD> is this the official mythtv forum ?
[06:49] <superm1> Hi aLeSD
[06:50] <superm1> this is a channel for support and development of ubuntu packages of mythtv
[06:50] <superm1> for general mythtv problems, see #mythtv-users
[06:51] <aLeSD> thanks
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[06:56] <defendguin> superm1: i saw you were featured on planet.ubuntu.com  congrats ;-)
[06:56] <superm1> hehe yup
[06:56] <superm1> i'm a star
[07:26] <defendguin> superm1: i just found out that my TV has an hdmi port on the back of it  if i were connecting the mythtv box to the TV that way it could turn off the monitor when it goes to sleep?
[07:26] <defendguin> its an odd looking hdmi port though nothing like i see on my video card
[07:27] <superm1> your video card probably has dvi
[07:27] <superm1> but not hdmi
[07:27] <superm1> hdmi is a dvi signal with audio on the cable too
[07:27] <superm1> how are you currently hooking it up?
[07:28] <defendguin> right
[07:28] <defendguin> svideo
[07:28] <defendguin> so i need dvi to hdmi
[07:28] <superm1> you'll get a **much** better picture out of dvi->hdmi
[07:28] <superm1> or even out of vga
[07:29] <superm1> i hook up to my hdtv via vga
[07:29] <superm1> even though it has hdmi
[07:29] <superm1> because then i dont have to fuss around with overscan
[07:29] <defendguin> well my tv is not a hdtv
[07:30] <defendguin> it's maybe a 2 year old JVC CRT
[07:30] <defendguin> 35 inch
[07:31] <superm1> ah
[07:31] <defendguin> when i set the sleep timer on mythtv will it be able to power down the tv?
[07:31] <superm1> Unfortunately no, there is no such thing in the protocol used for any video signals
[07:32] <superm1> you can turn off dpms
[07:32] <superm1> and the tv may go into a sleep mode
[07:32] <defendguin> dpms?
[07:32] <superm1> but the only way for a full "off" will be an ir transmitter, or a serial port on the back of the tv
[07:32] <superm1> dpms is what puts monitors to "sleep"
[07:32] <defendguin> bummer
[07:33] <defendguin> i doub't i have a serial connection there
[07:33] <superm1> well Daviey and i both do on our tvs
[07:33] <defendguin> yeah yeah
[07:33] <defendguin> stop bragging
[07:33] <superm1> haha
[07:34] <defendguin> you told me a while back
[07:34] <superm1> i think he told you?  I dont recall doing so
[07:34] <defendguin> hmm
[07:34] <defendguin> its possible
[07:35] <defendguin> i was hoping the hdmi thing would be enough
[07:35] <defendguin> it could turn off a monitor through the dvi though right?
[07:36] <superm1> just low power mode
[07:36] <superm1> is the best you can get
[07:36] <defendguin> ohhh
[07:36] <defendguin> yeah
[07:36] <superm1> but even if you dont like the low power mode, i really say get an hdmi-dvi cable
[07:36] <superm1> your dvds will look better
[07:36] <superm1> you can run stuff in higher res
[07:36] <defendguin> low power mode would be enough
[07:37] <defendguin> right now the screen just looks like it putting out all black pixels
[07:37] <defendguin> like the ggun is still hot and working
[07:38] <superm1> well this is provided your TV is energy star compliant
[07:38] <defendguin> don't normal TVs only support 640x400 anyway?
[07:38] <superm1> most are
[07:38] <superm1> well if you have an HDMI port, your tv can do some magic here and show larger resolutions
[07:39] <defendguin> i'm pretty sure this is
[07:39] <defendguin> mmmm
[07:39] <defendguin> that sounds delicious
[07:39] <superm1> you'll find out for sure after getting the cable
[07:39] <superm1> i say pick it up from a retailer with a return policy
[07:39] <superm1> so in the event it really says no to the higher res
[07:39] <superm1> you can get money back
[07:39] <defendguin> i'm sure best buy would be helpful
[07:39] <superm1> yup
[07:40] <defendguin> wal will take back anything i wonder if they carry it
[07:40] <defendguin> wal mart
[07:40] <superm1> and if you really want to save a buck, just get it from bby and then use it for a bit
[07:40] <superm1> bring it back
[07:40] <superm1> and get it online
[07:40] <defendguin> lol huh?
[07:40] <defendguin> oh for the cheaper online price
[07:40] <superm1> best buy has a 30 day return policy :)
[07:41] <defendguin> any chance of mythweather getting fixed in the feisty packages?
[07:42] <superm1> well as soon as keescook uploads the gutsy packages, i can request a backport
[07:42] <superm1> i have it built for feisty (and fixed) on a personal repository though
[07:43] <superm1> see http://www.mythbuntu.org/~supermario/personal/
[07:44] <defendguin> hmm
[07:45] <defendguin> thanks
[07:47] <defendguin> bby is not nearly as cheap as some online retailers on these cables
[07:49] <superm1> they are good for testing out though (at least initially) and then returning to purchase online
[07:50] <defendguin> too much hassle
[07:51] <superm1> well your call
[07:52] <superm1> best buy's "rental" program has saved me countless times :)
[07:52] <defendguin> http://www.directron.com/cbdvhdmim24ddm.html   12 bucks
[07:54] <defendguin> so audio is transmitted over this cable too?
[07:55] <defendguin> that seems hard because its going from my video card to the tv
[08:01] <superm1> well when you use dvi->hdmi, the audio signal won't be transmitted.  traditional "hdmi" includes the audio however.
[08:02] <defendguin> ahh good enough
[08:03] <superm1> anyhow.  i need to get to bed.  more travels again tomorrow morning (and then i'm finally stationary for a few days)
[08:03] <defendguin> the svideo wouldn't support the low power mode?
[08:03] <superm1> afaik no.
[08:04] <defendguin> ok then i'll get this cable
[08:05] <superm1> okay, look forward to hearing back the results :)
[08:05] <superm1> night
[08:05] <defendguin> thanks again for the help
[08:05] <superm1> np
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[09:42] <gardenhermit> re
[09:42] <gardenhermit> darn, missed superm1 again :(
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[10:48] <Daviey> arg!
[10:48] <Daviey> me to
[10:48] <ompaul> jono, morning!
[10:49] <jono> hey ompaul
[10:50] <ompaul> jono, loco issue if you got a mo - I had to scarper to the bank shortly (tax man wants his blood)
[10:50] <ompaul> I have to make a donation
[10:51] <jono> ompaul: shoot :)
[10:51] <ompaul> pm on the way
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[05:27] <Daviey> hey jono, are you around?
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[05:51] <Hugolp> Hi
[05:51] <Hugolp> anyone arround?
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[06:45] <keescook> superm1: you and Daviey are both showing up for CC today, is that right?
[06:45] <superm1> Yes
[06:46] <keescook> excellent.
[06:46] <superm1> majoridiot will be coming too
[06:46] <superm1> and I think DaveMorris
[06:46] <keescook> cool, is it just for the team stuff, or do some of you need ubuntu membership?
[06:47] <superm1> just team stuff
[06:47] <keescook> cool.
[06:47] <superm1> keescook, did you get the gutsy package update in these last few days by chance?
[06:48] <keescook> sorry, I've either been far far away from my computer or doing emergency uploads.  :P
[06:48] <superm1> ah :)
[06:48] <superm1> i've been traveling all weekend too.  this is my first time sitting down in front of a computer for more than 20 minutes
[06:49] <keescook> btw, I ran head-long into the encoder device ordering udev problem yesterday.  :)
[06:49] <keescook> I'm working on some udev rules to help sort that out.
[06:49] <superm1> wonderful
[06:49] <superm1> you think udev will be able to solve it entirely?
[06:49] <keescook> afaict, we can just make it part of the backend packaging
[06:49] <keescook> udev will be able to _help_
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[06:49] <keescook> I'm not sure how to get MythTV to use the "new" names
[06:50] <superm1> well that should be a pretty straightforward build time patch I think
[06:50] <keescook> i.e.  /dev/video-pcHDTV-HD3000-0 etc
[06:50] <keescook> I'd like to discuss naming conventions, etc.
[06:50] <keescook> there are a few wikis floating around that discuss the problem and offer some solutions, but they're very specific.
[06:50] <superm1> it appears that the mythdora and knoppmyth folk have been doing a mess of rmmoding all possible modules
[06:50] <superm1> and then remodprobing them
[06:50] <superm1> in a particular order
[06:50] <superm1> which just feels messy
[06:51] <keescook> I'd like to write some _general_ udev rules to come up with a full solution
[06:51] <keescook> eeeew
[06:51] <keescook> nah, udev is the way to go, I think.
[06:51] <superm1> i agree
[06:51] <keescook> I'm going to see if the video4linux folks have any thoughts on it too.
[06:51] <superm1> the only problem is how to handle new hardware
[06:51] <superm1> that doesn't have a udev rule written yet
[06:51] <keescook> (since, honestly, it's really a bug due to missing udev rules for v4l)
[06:51] <keescook> right, that's why I want a general solution
[06:52] <keescook> I think, based on the v4l driver details, I can still generate unique names
[06:52] <superm1> have you spoken with folks in #v4l then about it yet? (or thats on the todo)
[06:52] <keescook> there is a "name" ATTR that v4l sets, that seems to be unique
[06:52] <keescook> that's on the todo
[06:53] <keescook> Basically, I've seen how some mythtv folks want to solve it, I see how I'd like to solve it, and now I want v4l input, and once I've got that, hopefully there can be something that works for everyone.  :)
[06:53] <superm1> indeed
[07:00] <superm1> Okay i'm gonna run off to lunch right now keescook.  See you in 4 hrs
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[08:05] <keescook> superm1: best I can do on finding u-live sponsorship is for you to ask vee@oreilly.com if anything is available.  doesn't sound like there is anything available from canonical.  :(
[08:05] <superm1> Well I already asked vee
[08:05] <keescook> d'oh
[08:06] <superm1> unfortunately no go there :S
[08:07] <superm1> Well it will help to find someone to split a room with, once people start adding names to the room sharing board i'll throw myself up there
[08:07] <superm1> or better yet i'll ask andrew, i mean we are presenting together and all :)
[08:09] <superm1> oh keescook.  i got the hd home run on friday! I played with a bit while i was traveling.  its very easy to use
[08:10] <keescook> nice! yeah, my buddy just finished setting his up with both tuner inputs.  great stuff
[08:10] <superm1> I also packaged the utility that they give you to compile if you want command line control: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5277
[08:10] <keescook> I got myself an oooold pcHDTV card and an antenna so I'm going to play around with HD shortly
[08:11] <superm1> need to get it revu'ed yet and such though :)
[08:11] <keescook> oooh! nice
[08:11] <keescook> I wish I had more hours in the day. w hew
[08:11] <superm1> yea an hour or two on a plane gave me plenty of time to toy with the thing
[08:11] <keescook> I think I've hit this bug too, I might try an SRU for lirc: http://www.nabble.com/lircd-%22delay%22-that-lasts-a-minute-or-so--t3675370i20.html
[08:12] <superm1> are SRU's valid on universe packages?
[08:12] <superm1> oh wait, lirc is main isnt it
[08:12] <keescook> yawp.  the approval process is different between main/universe I think, but it's the basic idea in both.
[08:13] <superm1> are you thinking to make a new checkout, or just this particular patch backport?
[08:15] <keescook> I'd backport a patch; there's very little chance of a new checkout getting through SRU
[08:15] <superm1> are you using lirc_serial too or is it a different kernel module?
[08:18] <superm1> keescook, might be easier to do a new checkout into gutsy and then a backport possibly than an SRU?
[08:19] <keescook> I'm using lirc_serial, yeah
[08:19] <keescook> I'd like to go through the SRU with a package I'm familiar with, so I'm happy to do it.
[08:20] <superm1> i've had issues with lirc serial for a while now too: debian bug 373871.  Wonder if at all resolved by the new lirc serial too :)
[08:20] <ubotu> Debian bug 373871 in unknown "IR Transmitting broke (ubuntu dapper pulling debian package)" [Important,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/373871
[08:21] <rogue780|mythser> is there a way to make xchat automatically log into a server and join specific channels?
[08:21] <keescook> it's actually a bug in lircd, the serial driver itself is okay.  :P
[08:21] <keescook> (my bug, that is)
[08:22] <superm1> Right
[08:22] <superm1> rogue780|mythser, if you check skip network list at startup, and for the network that you want to connect to, there are settings for auto connect
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[08:41] <rogue780|mythser> sweet. it worked like a charm
[09:38] <superm1> Daviey, there?
[10:06] <rogue780|mythser> I'm downloading the newest build of mythbuntu att
[10:07] <Daviey> superm1: call back the search party
[10:07] <Daviey> I'm here
[10:07] <superm1> phew :)
[10:07] <superm1> i'll msg you what i'm planning on opening up with
[10:07] <superm1> let me know what you think
[10:07] <Daviey> sure
[10:08] <Daviey> Although, i have left my laptop power cable in the car
[10:08] <superm1> rogue780|mythser, which one?
[10:08] <Daviey> and cba to get it, what should i do?
[10:08] <superm1> i just built one early this AM
[10:08] <superm1> cba to get it?
[10:08] <superm1> and rogue780|mythser i'm really really close to having some big installer changes in
[10:09] <superm1> i think last night's build iwll have a broken installer still
[10:09] <rogue780|mythser> superm1, mythbuntu-7.04~070529-i386.iso
[10:09] <rogue780|mythser> I'm mostly interested in seeing if it'll boot on my computer...the last one I tried did not.
[10:09] <superm1> rogue780|mythser, yup thats the one from last night.  it should fix one *big* outstanding installer issue, but the buttons wont be active yet for choosing install types
[10:09] <superm1> they will just control page control, but nothing more
[10:10] <rogue780|mythser> coolness
[10:10] <rogue780|mythser> well I've gotta go sign some papers to get my mortgage underway...bbl. oh, and if there's anything ya'll need me to gimp just let me know
[10:10] <superm1> rogue780|mythser, will do - and actually i do have something up and coming
[10:11] <superm1> so let me know when you get back
[10:11] <superm1> Daviey, well throughout my travels this weekend I did manage to get some ubuntu stuff done yet, and the installer should hopefully be functional within a day or two
[10:11] <rogue780|mythser> right-o
[10:12] <superm1> there were some big big bugs in the ISO build script that were causing issues
[10:13] <Daviey> superm1: cool
[10:14] <Daviey> superm1: cba = can't be a$$ed
[10:14] <superm1> *can't?
[10:16] <superm1> ah crap. majoridiot just mailed and might not be able to make it
[10:18] <Daviey> >:(
[10:21] <superm1> Daviey, any updates regarding the mythbuntu-live package from this weekend? Or too busy throughout the weeknd?
[10:21] <Daviey> been a joke this weekend
[10:21] <Daviey> had family staying - couldn't do much
[10:22] <superm1> ah.  i was traveling all weekend too, so my only productive time was when i was on the plane or before going to bed myself - so hear you there.
[10:22] <superm1> i counted it out, i traveled a total of 1606 miles this weekend within three states :)
[10:23] <Daviey> you yanks and your states... ;)
[10:24] <superm1> what do you use instead, provinces or something?
[10:26] <Daviey> dunno really
[10:26] <Daviey> I suppose our equivilant to states is England, Scotland etc
[10:27] <superm1> hm
[10:33] <ompaul> Daviey, that would be accurate
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[10:51] <Daviey> superm1: if your matching the meeting when it starts - can you buzz me when we are due?
[10:52] <superm1> i'm in there already :)
[10:52] <superm1> but sure i can buzz when we're up
[10:52] <superm1> you should just join now, and i'll ping as needed
[10:54] <Daviey> arg!
[11:00] <superm1> we're up Daviey
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[11:01] <Daviey> ta
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[11:13] <keescook> nice work guys!!  :)
[11:13] <imbrandon> w00t
[11:13] <superm1> That went too easy :)
[11:13] <imbrandon> congrats everyone
[11:13] <keescook> \o/
[11:13] <imbrandon> well you all put alot of hard work into makin it easy :)
[11:13] <imbrandon> plus with 2 core devs and 3+ motu and motu hopefulls it helps
[11:14] <superm1> indeed
[11:14] <imbrandon> ( and the token canonical emp lol )
[11:14] <Daviey> woooo
[11:14] <imbrandon> now we just need to get you and Daviey to me MOTU's
[11:14] <imbrandon> that wont be long
[11:14] <Daviey> imbrandon: you'd be suprised
[11:14] <Daviey> I'll have my hand held for a little longer :)
[11:15] <superm1> imbrandon, I've been toying with when to apply.  I think once i have my first clean revu without needing changes i'm ready
[11:15] <Daviey> superm1: you're already a motu....
[11:15] <Daviey> i saw your interview with 'behind motu'
[11:16] <Daviey> :)
[11:16] <imbrandon> lol
[11:16] <Daviey> How did you wangle that then eh?
[11:16] <superm1> haha
[11:16] <Daviey> I might apply to be interview with, behind core-dev :)
[11:16] <superm1> well maybe thats a sign its time to apply?
[11:16] <superm1> haha
[11:17] <Daviey> superm1: in your desk photo - i noticed your ibm pass placed in shot
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[11:18] <superm1> woah, was it on my desk at taking
[11:18] <superm1> i didnt really pay attention
[11:18] <superm1> just snapped the pic
[11:18] <superm1> ah so it is...
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[11:25] <superm1> Daviey, did you catch sabfdl giving us the okay on the name mythbuntu too?
[11:25] <Daviey> tep
[11:25] <Daviey> yep
[11:25] <Daviey> really suprised by that tbbh
[11:26] <superm1> which is good given the worry last week
[11:26] <superm1> very happy for it
[11:26] <Daviey> it was a non-issue
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[11:26] <superm1> esp since only stipulation is that our changes come back into upstream
[11:26] <superm1> which the ubiquity debdiff...... yuck
[11:28] <Daviey> i dob't think that will really be enforced
[11:28] <Daviey> as were not improving/bug fixing
[11:28] <Daviey> just adding specific funtionaility
[11:28] <Daviey> non use upstream IMHO
[11:29] <superm1> well we can always try to commit it as ubiquity-mythtv too
[11:29] <superm1> once i get this last set of changes figured out, i guess we can "look" at modularizing it
[11:29] <superm1> so that it can be added as a switch
[11:29] <superm1> ubiquity --mythtv
[11:29] <superm1> or something
[11:29] <superm1> ubiquity --mythbuntu
[11:37] <Daviey> That's an idea
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[11:37] <superm1> the thing is that some of the files have such *drastic* changes.  I don't know how kindly the ubiqiuty guys would feel about them
[11:41] <superm1> there was a comment in -motu after the meeting.  <tritium> superm1: if you end up modifying ubiquity, please allow it to resize the installer windows.  tritium> my mythtv box is connected to my TV, and I always have to use alternate install images, as the installer window won't fit on the screen :)
[11:42] <superm1> <tritium> superm1: if many people have their boxes attached to TV's, they'll likely have low resolutions until they enable restricted drivers.  The other issue with TVs is overscan, which can be accomodated in myth, but is a pain to address completely.
[11:42] <superm1> What is the best way to address this you think?
[11:42] <superm1> Make it compatible w/ 640x480?
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[12:25] <DaveMorris> superm1:
[12:25] <DaveMorris> Daviey:
[12:25] <DaveMorris> anyone else that I've forgotten
[12:26] <superm1> hey DaveMorris
[12:26] <superm1> we got +1 on the team officially
[12:26] <DaveMorris> When is the 1st release slated for
[12:26] <superm1> well at the latest - 7.10 release
[12:26] <DaveMorris> and sorry I missed the CC and Daivey said it went alright though
[12:26] <superm1> but ideally soner
[12:27] <DaveMorris> 7.10 is the Gibbon?
[12:27] <superm1> yup
[12:27] <superm1> if all of this installer mess works this week, i can see us having a beta in a week or two, and a release by july or august
[12:28] <DaveMorris> ok, can I suggest this auto dectection stuff I'm looking at, be put in Gibbon+1
[12:28] <superm1> Is it looking that complicated?
[12:28] <DaveMorris> so we can focus on having a really good working 1st release, otherwise people will get put off by it and not use it again