[12:30] <aliasrush> anyone use xubuntu+beryl+xgl+ati?
[12:31] <aliasrush> Jester45:why not anymore?
[12:31] <Jester45> i did i used aglx
[12:31] <Jester45> i use*
[12:31] <Jester45> my card became opensource supported
[12:32] <aliasrush> oh... which one is that?
[12:32] <scot1967> Anyone here familiar with Rdesktop?
[12:34] <Jester45> aliasrush: radeon 9250
[12:36] <aliasrush> yeah... open source drivers have yet to come out for my radeon x1600
[12:36] <Jester45> :)
[12:36] <aliasrush> but just for the heck of it I loaded xubuntu on my laptop with xgl and beryl
[12:37] <Jester45> mine was a lot cheaper... free
[12:37] <aliasrush> so far I like it.... it just does not seem as smooth as gnome+beryl
[12:37] <Jester45> are you sure it wasnt gnome+compiz?
[12:39] <aliasrush> yeah... positive... still have it installed on another partition
[12:40] <Jester45> k
[12:40] <Jester45> i just notice that cmpiz is faster
[12:40] <M_42> got a weird bug
[12:41] <M_42> if I run a java app it hogs all my cpu... and my system becomes unbearably slow.. but I have a dual core
[12:41] <aliasrush> craziest thing just happened though... lost my desktop and icons after installing adept
[12:41] <emdash> what is the difference between the desktop and alternate iso images?
[12:41] <M_42> alt isn't a livecd
[12:41] <M_42> if im not mistaken
[12:42] <GrueTamer> the alt cd is not a livecd, you are correct
[12:42] <Jester45> emdash: the desktop iso is a live cd (gui) the alternative is just an installer
[12:42] <Jester45> both are simple to use, and if you have a older computer the alt is much faster
[12:43] <scot1967> Running from the command line RDesktop coredumps :(
[12:43] <scot1967> Segmentation fault...
[12:43] <scot1967> ANyone have any ideas?
[12:43] <vidd_laptop> scot1967, what is rdesktop?
[12:43] <Jester45> remote desktop
[12:44] <scot1967> It's an app used to connect to terminal servers
[12:44] <Jester45> darn
[12:44] <Jester45> i need to stop guessing
[12:44] <jimmicaboolie> BOOM!
[12:44] <scot1967> :)
[12:44] <jimmicaboolie> HAHAHA
[12:45] <jimmicaboolie> HOHOHO
[12:45] <jimmicaboolie> HEHEHE
[12:45] <jimmicaboolie> HELLO, WORLD!
[12:45] <jimmicaboolie> HI, WORLD!
[12:45] <jimmicaboolie> I'M GREETING YOU!
[12:45] <jimmicaboolie> O GREAT WORLD!
[12:45] <jimmicaboolie> HI!
[12:45] <Jester45> hi
[12:45] <Jester45> !spam
[12:45] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[12:45] <jimmicaboolie> CARROTS ARE YUMMY
[12:45] <jimmicaboolie> BOOM!
[12:45] <jimmicaboolie> LETTUCE IS YUMMY!
[12:45] <jimmicaboolie> BOOM!
[12:45] <jimmicaboolie> BYE!
[12:45] <TehRealNexGen> lol
[12:45] <M_42> lol
[12:46] <scot1967> What was that?
[12:46] <TehRealNexGen> spam
[12:46] <Jester45> a little kid who figured out irc
[12:46] <M_42> sounds like an exploding fagtard to me
[12:46] <TehRealNexGen> probably has no life so is probably spamming the whole of freenode
[12:47] <scot1967> Anyone here know how to remove Rdesktop?
[12:47] <scot1967> I would like to try to re-install
[12:48] <Jester45> he got owneded
[12:48] <scot1967> lol
[12:56] <T`> hi.. anyone know how t make xchat not quit when i press Ctrl + X? thats the shortcut for cut!!
[12:57] <scot1967> apt-get remote rdesktop
[12:57] <scot1967> opps...  apt-get remove rdesktop
[12:59] <scot1967> removed and re-installed still core dumps...  bummer eh?
[01:03] <scot1967> Found a bug report.... In the Ubuntu form...  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=403592
[01:12] <scot1967> I am not sure how to fix this..  It says this was fixed in 7.04 which is what I am running.
[01:17] <Catoptromancy_> wow
[01:17] <Catoptromancy_> managed to kill my sound
[01:17] <Catoptromancy_> when i figured out to redownload
[01:18] <Catoptromancy_> this new driver is extremely loud
[01:18] <Catoptromancy_> extremely...
[01:18] <Catoptromancy_> hopefully fix my old crackling problem
[01:46] <test3r> HiHi! Does anyone have experience using "dd" to copy from cdrom to an image file?
[01:46] <test3r> I keep getting this trying to backup a very tricky disk - dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error
[01:47] <test3r> it will only do the first part then it fails out.  Is there another way to make the disk image better?
[01:50] <Pumpernickel> It's probably one of a) a broken disk, b) a broken drive, or c) a non-standard disk e.g; DRMed, part audio, etc.
[01:51] <test3r> it is the disk for Postal2:STP.  It has StarForce / similar encryption and/or crazy method of messing me up making a backup of a software I have legaly purchased   =(((
[01:52] <test3r> is there another way to make an image of it that possibly wont fail out ?
[01:53] <Catoptromancy_>  hmm Starforce is tricky
[01:54] <Catoptromancy_> Im sure starforce is probably the problem, it isnt scratched too badly
[01:54] <Catoptromancy_> Starforce wasnt suppose to let people make copies
[01:55] <test3r> On RunningWithScissor's forums (back when they were still Up - the guys who make Postal) they said if you could make a backup of the disk you were allowd to.
[01:55] <Catoptromancy_> starforce may only run in windows
[01:55] <Catoptromancy_> and probably counts the number of times you make copies
[01:55] <test3r> It may or may not be starforce. there is something goofy on it, though. Even ALCEE 120 has a glitch in it's image it makes of it.
[01:56] <test3r> I can mount the image and the game thinks it is in the drive, but the game will crash randomly in the middle of itself probably due to a direct call where there should have never been one
[01:56] <silvertip257> I'm looking to make a custom LiveCD of Xubuntu, but cannot find very good instructions/tutorials
[01:57] <test3r> So I figure if I can burn a 1:1 copy of the thing, I'll be set
[01:57] <Catoptromancy_> sounds more like a glitch
[01:57] <test3r> well - Only Alcee can copy the thing. So you KNOW it has something goofy on the disk.
[02:00] <test3r> AH HA ! I found an article that says i should try interface to Scd0
[02:00] <test3r> it is a stream reference in the system. lets see if i can
[02:01] <test3r> does not exist.   =(
[02:02] <test3r> would it make any difference if I manually mounted it thru loopbak?
[02:05] <test3r> oh poo, it says /mnt is a directory so it doesnt want to dd it
[02:09] <test3r> ok hopefully This will do it-  i added a conv=noerror  on that sucker hopefully it will keep going and do it Perfect.
[02:14] <test3r> it's still going! It's gana make Something. I'll just have to burn it and test it.
[02:28] <Jester45> does anyone know how stable phpbb3 is
[02:37] <T`> anyone here using xchat?
[02:44] <GrueTamer> T`: ive used it in the past, what do you need?
[02:44] <T`> GrueTamer: it exits if i press Ctrl X
[02:44] <T`> so trying to figure how to make it not do that
[02:44] <T`> thats the shortcut for cut
[02:44] <T`> so its annoyyong
[02:45] <GrueTamer> hmm...
[02:47] <GrueTamer> look in settings > advanced > keyboard shortcuts
[02:47] <GrueTamer> there *might* be something in there
[02:56] <test3r> Wow the image of that CD came out quite large - 707473408.  looks like it might be over-burned, too. Can the "Xfburn" overburn auto like Nero will? Or should I try to use "growisofs" ?
[02:57] <Jester45> xfburn usees growisofs i think
[02:58] <test3r> hmmmmm......  6 in 1 half dozen in the other, then?
[02:58] <test3r> i mean between those two, and say, wodim?
[04:10] <carolyn_> is 7.04 out of the beta stage now?
[04:10] <carolyn_> like will it be safe to download if i'm dual-booting?
[04:10] <ibb> it should be
[04:11] <ibb> what kind of worries do you have?
[04:11] <carolyn_> i mostly just would like my other partition to be as safe as possible
[04:12] <Pumpernickel> It should be fine, so long as you have decent partitioning skills.
[04:12] <carolyn_> because it's a pain to have to wipe and reinstall
[04:12] <Pumpernickel> It's been out of beta for a month, and there haven't been any disasters that I've heard about.
[04:13] <carolyn_> ok. it probably won't be a huge problem anyway. i would just hate to lose all of my bookmarks and saved passwords and such
[04:13] <carolyn_> mostly i would just lose my iTunes library
[04:16] <Pumpernickel> One thing worth noting ahead of time is that, because of the kernel's change re: libata, ide devices will now be named /dev/sd*.
[04:17] <carolyn_> Pumpernickel, ide?
[04:18] <Pumpernickel> Devices that used to be named /dev/hd*.
[04:19] <carolyn_> ok
[04:19] <carolyn_> thanks
[04:31] <test3r> hey Pumpernickel - I ended up using CDRDAO tool that is pre-installed with Xubuntu. I just let it create it's own type of CUE sheet (it calls it a TOC file), and told it to burn the image at 16X. I had to use Raw-Mode reading to create the image with it.
[04:40] <Pumpernickel> Cool.
[04:45] <fogwar> !java
[04:45] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[04:48] <fogwar> !multiverse
[04:48] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[04:50] <fogwar> hey, i have java installed but its not working with my firefox?
[04:58] <infamy> automount on the xubuntu live cd is preventing me from installing xubuntu am i the only one with this issue?
[05:05] <BFTD> I hate sansa
[05:12] <xub-nub> anyone feel up to helping me set up my printer?
[05:33] <test3r> fogwar: have you looked into Automatix?
[05:35] <test3r> Pumpernickel: Yeah, it was great. I just tested for a good 30min & it seems the game is happy with the backup cdrdao made.
[05:35] <fogwar> test3r: dude im having such a hard time installing java..
[05:36] <fogwar> i dont know wtf is up
[05:36] <fogwar> java for firefox plugin
[05:36] <test3r> yeah Automatix installed it fine for me I'm pretty sure
[05:36] <test3r> you will need to click the output window to show Details so that you can accept the JAVA liscense thing
[05:36] <test3r> you will see because it will just be sitting there.
[05:37] <fogwar> ..
[05:37] <test3r> have u installed a native Deb packedge yet from manually on your system?
[05:37] <fogwar> yeah
[05:37] <fogwar> 1.4.2
[05:37] <test3r> from within X?
[05:37] <fogwar> i did thru root
[05:38] <test3r> OK then automatix will look like that did when it comes up, only hopefully by the time its done, it will setup better for whatever reason it does
[05:38] <fogwar> im talking about firefox java
[05:38] <fogwar> plugin
[05:38] <test3r> yes so am i
[05:38] <test3r> just google Automatix. you will see.
[05:49] <fogwar> test3r: its tring to install wine but it says  it will runa config and once im done configuring it, i should hit ok but no config came up
[05:59] <test3r> not all of it is in perfect order it might launch winecfg when it's all completely done I'm not sure. Worse comes worse just manually launch the config option.
[06:09] <test3r> fog did you get it?
[06:28] <carolyn_> ok, something's wrong with my screen...but only in firefox so far...
[06:29] <carolyn_> i just updated to Feisty
[06:30] <carolyn_> and the entire screen of firefox is distorted. it's like stretched diagonally and the part that gets cut off is repeated on the opposite side
[07:57] <test3r> This ATX case is missing a 3-side-wrap cover. The outsides. Can linux fix me a new one?  ;9
[07:58] <test3r> i would laugh if there is a prog like PCB for cases
[08:17] <Jester46> i know my question is offtopic and outdated but... i have a 80gb drive that i used as extra storage on my old win98 machine i figured, why not install a fresh copy to the 80 to see how fast it is.. and well when i try to do a lot of i/o the whole system freezes, is this somthing to do with win98 or the drive
[08:17] <Jester46> i was thinking that the drive is to advance
[08:36] <test3r> a fresh copy of What, jester?
[08:36] <Jester46> win98
[08:36] <test3r> OSs dont like to be on removable media.
[08:36] <Jester46> it just puzzeled me
[08:36] <test3r> although youd think win98 would b better about it
[08:36] <Jester46> ?? its a 80gb harddrive
[08:37] <Jester46> it worked fine as a 2nd drive
[08:37] <Jester46> but when i installed the os to it
[08:37] <test3r> if i remember correct didnt FAT32 and win98 have gig limitations?
[08:37] <Jester46> i couldnt do much i/o
[08:37] <test3r> did you patch the 'kernel;' ?
[08:37] <Jester46> thats whats weird, when it was storage it was 80gb
[08:38] <Jester46> but shoulded it of been less
[08:38] <test3r> even winXP needed a fix to see my 160Gig back two years ago when i installed that
[08:38] <test3r> how is the 80gig partitioned?
[08:38] <Jester46> fat32 all of it
[08:38] <test3r> make a small partition for the WIn98 maybe that will help.  just keep all partitions in fat32
[08:39] <Jester46> could it of been becuase i used a downloaded cd? i lost mine
[08:40] <test3r> could b.  I know I didnt sent it to u so it could b anything on it
[08:40] <test3r> u scanned the thing, yes?
[08:40] <test3r> mount the iso and gut it with at Least AVG?
[08:40] <Jester46> i burned it then installed
[08:40] <Jester46> well.. i dont care what happens to the machine
[08:40] <Jester46> at long as the hardware is fine
[08:41] <test3r> it might not Damage the machine. perhaps it is supposed to Root it
[08:41] <test3r> c?
[08:41] <test3r> id recommend using the tools from that security site...   shucks what is it.  You can trace running processes
[08:41] <test3r> it is the guy that found the sony kit
[08:42] <[g0t0] > hello i need help on intalation
[08:42] <test3r> he made some freeware tools to trace stuff
[08:42] <[g0t0] > if i pxe boot (i already success on it) can i use ubuntu iso that i already download
[08:43] <[g0t0] > my connection at home rather slow
[08:43] <test3r> you mean thru network??? booting from a network?  erm, how is the CD in the system? network-wide shared drive?
[08:44] <Jester46> test3r: there is a thing called netboot
[08:44] <[g0t0] > yes using tfttpd
[08:44] <Jester46> [g0t0] : maybe have a look at
[08:44] <Jester46> !install
[08:45] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[08:45] <[g0t0] > cd can be shared through my another computer it has http server on it
[08:45] <test3r> ah ha= jester- it is at  www.sysinternals.net
[08:45] <test3r> so than boot from flop[py and mount thru loopbak
[08:46] <test3r> wait no ud have to launch it up in stuff somehow
[08:46] <test3r> see a boot CD works because it is tricking the BIOS kind of
[08:46] <Jester46> not really
[08:46] <test3r> boot CDs have a small "floppy boot" image in the first part of the disk.
[08:46] <Jester46> its acting like a harddrive no trick
[08:47] <test3r> the BIOS reads that and boots it just like a floopy would
[08:47] <test3r> so yes, it does kind of trick it
[08:47] <[g0t0] > yes but on instalation using pxe u must redownload packages from ubuntu server
[08:47] <Jester46> the bios knows its a cd
[08:47] <test3r> your saying a boot cd has an MBR>? or how would it do that???
[08:48] <[g0t0] > if i would like to mirror feisty.. which one i need to download..
[08:49] <test3r> the packedges should be on the cd itself . use apt-get on them somehow pointing to the disk.    LoL  there are system Reqs for the different versions. AND it depends what you are trying to do with the install cd itself
[08:49] <test3r> easy route? Get the LiveCD
[08:49] <test3r> put it in. reboot your computer.
[08:50] <[g0t0] > well let see i have 100pc i want to install ubuntu.. i dont want each of them connect to ubuntu server asking packages.. so its better if i can mirror it...
[08:51] <Jester46> download the packages to your http then have each computer download the packages to apt's cache
[08:51] <test3r> than you need to make a custom install disk possibly.  make scripts onto the disk image that will point to your own network locations for the packs (a giant server-mirror in your own network)
[08:51] <Jester46> then when you try to install apt all ready has them and installes
[08:52] <test3r> yes get them all in apt cache
[08:53] <[g0t0] > ubuntu cd seems compress the packages in casper/filesystem.squashfs
[08:54] <[g0t0] > hmm well gona try something...
[08:54] <[g0t0] > thank you
[08:55] <test3r> ./var/ap/cache/archives
[08:55] <test3r> ./var/cache/apt/archives
[08:55] <test3r> i mean
[08:55] <Jester46> minus the . at the front
[08:57] <test3r> naturally.
[09:10] <test3r> man, i dont think i can find Just The Top to an ATX case to buy Anywhere it seems
[09:11] <test3r> everyone wants to sell you a full new case again. sheesh!  I hope my buddy can find an Extra top for this case.
[09:20] <Boje> moin
[09:21] <test3r> Hello!
[09:21] <test3r> greetings fellow tuxer, how are you doing today?
[09:25] <TheoMurpse> So I just installed xubuntu 7.04 on my laptop, and am now trying to get a certain program compiled. However, when I do ./configure.sh, I get "Please install (or upgrade to) GTK+ 2.6.0, at least." How do I do this?
[09:27] <Catoptromancy> sudo aptitude install gtk
[09:29] <test3r> you might want "build-essential," too, if you plan on using MAKE at all
[09:29] <TheoMurpse> test3r: yes, I plan on using MAKE. Do you mean I should sudo aptitude install build-essential? or what exactly is this "build-essential"?
[09:31] <Myrtti> it contains c++ compiler etc
[09:31] <Myrtti> all the stuff essential for compiling and building stuff
[09:31] <TheoMurpse> Catoptromancy: I tried "sudo aptitude install gtk" and got Couldn't find package "gtk", and more than 40 packages contain "gtk" in their name.
[09:31] <Myrtti> except automake, packaging stuff etc
[09:35] <test3r> isnt it apt-get ?
[09:35] <test3r> try sudo apt-get install gtk
[09:35] <test3r> you might need a full file name though and not just "gtk"
[09:35] <Myrtti> test3r: aptitude is in many ways better than apt-get
[09:35] <sutabi> Is there a way to upgrade xubuntu without downloading the .iso and putting it into a cd/etc
[09:35] <test3r> lol- use synaptic.
[09:36] <Myrtti> for instance, if you remove programs installed with it, it also remove redundant packages
[09:36] <test3r> click the little button and Search    =9
[09:36] <Myrtti> sutabi: sure there is
[09:36] <Myrtti> sutabi: gksudo "update-manager -c"
[09:36] <TheoMurpse> test3r: what is the full name of gtk? gimp toolkit?
[09:36] <test3r> no that is for the program GIMP
[09:37] <test3r> a photoeditor
[09:37] <sutabi> Myrtti, ah thanks!!!
[09:37] <Myrtti> test3r: try libgtk-dev
[09:38] <TheoMurpse> I know what GIMP is. However, I need GTK+ 2.6.0? sudo apt-get install gtk 2.6.0?
[09:38] <test3r> mmmmm, i remember whan i looked for GTK i had trouble finding it also.  yes that might be it. i remember it wasl Already Installed I believe
[09:40] <test3r> libgtk2  is the newest i can see and it is installed on my system here. I am using Xubuntu 7.04 though
[09:40] <Eagle_101> Ok, I'm trying to get the LiveCD to work for whatever the latest (7.04) cd to start up. I am stuck in the "auth window, I can't even play around in the enviroment, because I can't log in
[09:41] <TheoMurpse> I tried sudo apt-get install libgtk2 and got Couldn't find package libgtk2
[09:41] <sutabi> Hm.. doing the update but it stops and errors with Execption from gpg: GnuPG exited with non-zero, with code 131072
[09:41] <test3r> you booted from the CD-ROM ?  The CD has no install / login window.
[09:41] <Eagle_101> yes I booted from the CD-ROM
[09:41] <Eagle_101> put up the xubuntu login screen
[09:41] <TheoMurpse> Someone just tell me how to get at least GTK 2.6.0 on my system, that's all I need. Isn't this a major component of running a lot of LInux apps? should't it be easier to update this?
[09:41] <TheoMurpse> please
[09:42] <Catoptromancy> sudo aptitude install gtk+
[09:42] <test3r> Theo you are running it right now if you are using Ubuntu OR Xubuntu
[09:42] <Catoptromancy> whatever is packages it lists
[09:42] <Catoptromancy> copy and paste
[09:42] <Eagle_101> no test3r I'm running gentoo linux at the moment
[09:42] <Eagle_101> version me ;)
[09:42] <sutabi> Myrtti, and idea on why update-manager would give me this? http://dpaste.com/11219
[09:42] <test3r> then, WHY, are you in This support channel?
[09:43] <Eagle_101> test3r,  because I want to install xubuntu
[09:43] <Myrtti> sutabi: wow, no idea
[09:43] <Eagle_101> but the LiveCD won't let me play around or get into the install window
[09:43] <TheoMurpse> Catoptromancy: I tried sudo aptitude install gtk+ and it couldn't find a package called gtk. 0 packages to update.
[09:43] <Myrtti> sutabi: try #ubuntu?
[09:43] <sutabi> Myrtti, thanks will do
[09:43] <test3r> wait I thought gentoo was the end all of end alls? At least some of the die-hards would have me believe that.
[09:44] <Eagle_101> test3r, heh ;) it is unless you want to use wireless ;)
[09:44] <test3r> I just got slack running on a Pentium One with 16MB Ram though
[09:44] <test3r> hmmmmmm- yes- auditing my own WiFi is nice & i like it.   ^ ^
[09:44] <Eagle_101> I want to try xubuntu to see if I can't make my wireless owrk on that :)
[09:44] <Eagle_101> *work
[09:45] <test3r> there is a page about what cards will work what brand is your wifi card?
[09:45] <test3r> lspci
[09:45] <Eagle_101> but I can't get the live cd to work, forget the card
[09:45] <Eagle_101> test3r, I'm running broadcom 4318 if I recall correctly, I've spent hours trying to configure this on gentoo
[09:46] <test3r> hmmm the name doesnt ring a bell but that doesnt mean it wont work
[09:46] <Eagle_101> test3r, yeah I've seen some promising guides on ubuntu forums
[09:46] <test3r> mine is some AirLink from WORSTbuy stores  some grace of god it is a great card to have apparently
[09:46] <Eagle_101>  which would be nice if I could only use the CD
[09:47] <test3r> Yeah - the cd gave you a Login? That is really weird.  did u try "root" ?
[09:47] <Eagle_101> I'm getting some login screen thats all blue (pretty much blue background) with two options language, and something else
[09:48] <Eagle_101> yeah I've tried root, I've tried putting nothing, I've tried putting my old name for my gentoo install
[09:48] <Eagle_101> (and yes the MD5 hashes match)
[09:48] <test3r> boy- thats what i woulda done. You got Me. !!! No clue  =(
[09:49] <Eagle_101> so yeah... I've got a useless CD here :(
[09:49] <test3r> maybe yolu need to pass the kernel a boot option at start time?
[09:49] <test3r> because root should be starting up X for you
[09:49] <Eagle_101> mmm what would I want to pass it... I thought this was for new folks to linux >.>
[09:50] <test3r> it is but perhaps you have goofy hardware
[09:50] <Eagle_101> and at no point does the CD seem to allow me to interrupt its start up
[09:50] <test3r> I just ran across an INTEL graphics chip that GParted wont boot on
[09:50] <test3r> i now have to get a PCI graphics card for the box
[09:51] <test3r> its at the first first first menu
[09:51] <test3r> the one with "start Xubuntu"  and "test memory"
[09:51] <Eagle_101> http://rafb.net/p/L1c7F189.html
[09:52] <Eagle_101> thats my lspci output
[09:52] <test3r> there is an option to pass things to the kernel at that spot
[09:52] <Eagle_101> ok, what would I want to pass it?
[09:52] <Eagle_101> I saw 5 options
[09:52] <TheoMurpse> OK, for anyone who is curious, I got my problem solved by going to synaptic and selecting to install libgtk2-dev
[09:52] <test3r> that link is 404 for me, & my net is obviously working
[09:53] <Eagle_101> http://rafb.net/p/L1c7Fl89.html
[09:53] <Eagle_101> try that sorry
[09:53] <Eagle_101> I'm in terminal only mode. (no Xfce)
[09:53] <test3r> no way- you needed the Development pak huh?  Thanks Theo! I'll write it down actually on my cheat sheet
[09:54] <TheoMurpse> test3r: yeah, as soon as I added the dev pack, ./configuration.sh worked like a charm
[09:54] <test3r> oh crap, so you cant even spawn a new tab and search forums even   =/
[09:54] <test3r> u can spawn new tty tho
[09:55] <test3r> ?
[09:55] <Eagle_101> yeah :)
[09:55] <test3r> kewllliiio
[09:55] <Eagle_101> If I wanted to I could start up X
[09:55] <Eagle_101> but I was hoping one of you folks would be able to say, you dunderhead you should be doing X
[09:57] <test3r> lynx is nice i like it
[09:57] <Eagle_101> it is :)
[09:57] <test3r> !kernel option
[09:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kernel option - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:57] <test3r> !boot option
[09:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about boot option - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:57] <test3r> !boot
[09:57] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[09:57] <Eagle_101> well be right back I'm going to start up X
[09:57] <test3r> there check that spot there
[09:57] <test3r> NO
[09:58] <test3r> can u believe the dumb luck. at least i know what to show him when he returns.
[09:58] <Eagle_101> back
[09:58] <Eagle_101> !boot
[09:58] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[09:59] <test3r> yes exactly - hopefully the answer is there 4 u
[10:00] <Eagle_101> ok :)
[10:00] <Eagle_101> this is really odd though, why does the CD even have a login window O.o
[10:01] <test3r> I have never had that window happen pre-installation.
[10:02] <Eagle_101> thing i I had at one time the Dapper
[10:02] <Eagle_101> and it had no problems >.>
[10:04] <Eagle_101> test3r, none of those links above seem to be helping anything :(
[10:04] <TheoMurpse> What si the default password for root? I need to run something as root, not just through sudo (linux tenderfoot here, so perhaps I'm wrong about this, but my program instructs that I must run make install as root).
[10:05] <Eagle_101> TheoMurpse, when you use the install CD you should *be* root
[10:05] <test3r> no just use SuDo, running as true-root on *buntu is a bad idea
[10:05] <test3r> oh he is on the LiveCD?
[10:05] <Eagle_101> at least that was how the dapper cds work
[10:06] <TheoMurpse> Eagle_101: I'm not running off the livecd right now.
[10:06] <test3r> sudo runs a command as root would either way.
[10:06] <test3r> it is equal
[10:06] <Eagle_101> ok test3r if I were to ask a question in the forums, where is the best place to ask something of the nature I just asked you?
[10:06] <test3r> but you are setup for One
[10:06] <TheoMurpse> test3r: sudo elevates My privileges, but doesn't make me root. It just makes my user account a "privileged user". Am I mistaken?
[10:07] <test3r> are you talking about running with -i ????  just use the command you need as root by " sudo COMMAND"
[10:07] <Eagle_101> TheoMurpse, sudo makes you root
[10:07] <TheoMurpse> Eagle_101: OK. I keep getting conflicting statements on this account. Thanks, Eagle, I'll take your word for it.
[10:07] <Eagle_101> welcome ;)
[10:08] <test3r> if Quake3 Shareware can install from source using SuDo, you can install the command you want using sudo
[10:08] <test3r> it is equal to root, as I said back up there ^^^^
[10:10] <TheoMurpse> test3r and Eagle_101: I'm from an XP world, where "Admin" (root) and "runas" (su) are different.
[10:10] <TheoMurpse> Just get confused sometimes.
[10:15] <test3r> Eagle: I wish I knew why the CD is giving you a login prompt when you havent even installed yet.
[10:15] <Eagle_101> test3r, me too, I"m going to ask a question in the forums... my first post there! yey :P
[10:18] <MaxFrames> hello channel
[10:18] <TheoMurpse> hello visitor
[10:20] <test3r> hey
[10:20] <test3r> Eagle for Ubuntu the login name i read is "ubuntu"  and no pass
[10:20] <test3r> so try "xubuntu"  no pass
[10:21] <test3r> all i did was webcrawler for "buntu livecd login prompt"
[10:21] <test3r> its the 11th link.  OS News it says as title
[10:24] <Eagle_101> tried that
[10:24] <Eagle_101> 'xubuntu' does not work
[10:24] <Eagle_101> sorry :(
[10:25] <Eagle_101> (and sorry for the delay in the response, I'm typing up a forum post)
[10:25] <test3r> oh it is also the 8th link as well.  Oh no you are kidding? And you said your MD5 is perfect??????? No corrupt disk?
[10:25] <Eagle_101> dead sure
[10:25] <Eagle_101> perhaps I should try "ubuntu"?
[10:25] <test3r> lol maybe so eh?  =D
[10:25] <test3r> give it a shot.
[10:25] <Eagle_101> I will, /me saves forum post ;) )
[10:27] <Eagle_101> ok I'll be back shortly... hopefully ;)
[10:27] <Eagle_101> thanks test3r :)
[10:28] <Eagle_101> bye for now :)
[10:36] <test3r> .nn=n=total
[10:36] <test3r> T` > your nick name has a "n=" inside of it it looks like
[10:37] <test3r> actually you are not the only one now that i look above.
[10:39] <Catoptromancy> what the bash command to show kernel version?
[10:39] <Catoptromancy> like "kernel --version"? something
[10:39] <Merchelo> uname
[10:39] <Eagle_101> no good test3r
[10:39] <Catoptromancy> nope
[10:39] <Merchelo> Catoptromancy: uname -a
[10:39] <Catoptromancy> uname "linux"
[10:40] <Catoptromancy> heh
[10:40] <Catoptromancy> thx
[10:44] <test3r> That was my last suggestion. I had seen that work for another In This Room prob a yr ago. Someone will know what to do.  Good Luck!
[10:44] <Merchelo> who's looking for the password for root?
[10:44] <test3r> Eagle cant boot LiveCD as it drops him at prompt
[10:44] <test3r> er, at login prompt graphical boot tho- so X is up.
[10:44] <Merchelo> strange
[10:45] <test3r> exactly. he has tried ubuntu//null , ubuntu//ubuntu, xubuntu//xubuntu,  and maybe more.  Oh- his current linux login.  he has Gentoo installed I think ?
[10:45] <Eagle_101> http://rafb.net/p/SXD0RO27.html
[10:45] <T`> test3r, ?
[10:45] <Eagle_101> yes
[10:45] <test3r> T` >  yes?
[10:45] <T`> test3r, should i be concerned?
[10:46] <T`> test3r, regarding the n=
[10:46] <T`> heh
[10:46] <test3r> about the n= thing????  no i thought it messed up your name at first
[10:46] <T`> haha ok
[10:48] <test3r> id say -   Wipe the gentoo.  I compiled that sucker for THREE days and it couldnt get Auto-DHCP from a PCI-3COM card to get internet from my network here at my house.  as far as im concerned, if you want a minimal dist- use slack.
[10:48] <Eagle_101> oh test3r its not letting me put in passwords
[10:48] <Eagle_101> test3r, heh ;) my gentoo works flawlessly other then my wireless card
[10:48] <test3r> yeah but I installed slack in hours.
[10:48] <test3r> not says.
[10:48] <test3r> *days
[10:49] <Eagle_101> hehe :)
[10:49] <test3r> from floppy.
[10:49] <Eagle_101> test3r, I'm seriously thinking about axing the microsoft
[10:50] <Eagle_101> well I'm going to put a post in the ubuntu forums
[10:50] <test3r> out of curiosity - which loader did u go with?
[10:51] <test3r> GRUB or LiLO/?
[10:51] <Eagle_101> GRUB
[10:52] <test3r> hmmmm-   well that logically should play well with *buntu, as long as it is a newer up to date version I'd guess
[10:53] <test3r> I dont imagein they make much changes to those
[10:54] <Eagle_101> test3r, yeah and I can't see how that would affect the LiveCD
[10:55] <test3r> it wouldnt. X had already started!  the whole thing is bizzar
[10:55] <Eagle_101> affecting the install I can imagine, especially if it wants to put in LiLO
[10:55] <test3r> no it uses GRUB as GRUB is supposidly better with dualboot I guess
[10:55] <test3r> but I know gentoo can choose either
[10:55] <test3r> it is in their manual which i read front-2-back
[10:56] <Eagle_101> yep :)
[10:56] <Eagle_101> gentoo is like the ultimate in terms of getting to choose
[10:57] <test3r> choices are great once you know what to choose.
[10:57] <test3r> for my first tux box though it was a bit much obviously
[10:57] <Eagle_101> heh :)
[10:57] <test3r> even Following the instructions
[10:58] <Eagle_101> oh I dumped my question into absolute beginner talk >.>
[10:59] <test3r> that's probably better-  less change of flame-edge & prob low response time
[10:59] <Eagle_101> hopefully ;)
[11:00] <test3r> and then when they Solve it you will be plenty prepared to issue any piece they have you changing.
[11:00] <Eagle_101> yep
[11:00] <test3r> well - I hope they do.  I have to get to bed it is 5 AM where I am
[11:01] <test3r> take care
[11:01] <Eagle_101> ok night :)
[11:01] <Eagle_101> thanks for your help.
[11:49] <jlehto> Hi. I have some core.xxxx files in my home directory, where xxxx are numbers. What all those and can I delete those?
[11:50] <jlehto> All of those are over 100 MB
[11:51] <Eagle_101> mmm have not a clue, I don't see any in my gentoo install (I'm still working on trying to install xubuntu) though I don't know if they are required for ubuntu
[11:52] <jlehto> Thunar says that those are some kind of programs crash information
[11:53] <Eagle_101> jlehto, I don't know if you can or not, I don't think those are critical to the distro, but as I'm not running it I can't tell you for sure
[11:55] <grazie> jlehto: As you've already discovered, they are core dump files that can be produced when an app crashes
[11:58] <jlehto> So can I just remove those and my system work as before after it?
[11:58] <Eagle_101> jlehto, yeah I think
[11:58] <Eagle_101> sounds like all they are, are dump files
[12:00] <jlehto> okei. I removed all of those
[12:01] <grazie> jlehto: you remove then without problems, yes. They can be used to debug why a program is crashing.
[12:02] <grazie> Eagle_101: which livecd?
[12:02] <Eagle_101> http://rafb.net/p/SXD0RO27.html
[12:02] <Eagle_101> I wrote the whole problem out there >.> :P
[12:02] <Eagle_101> its really odd :O
[12:05] <grazie> Eagle_101: it actually difficult to read that page, but iirc the gentoo livecd does need username/password. Unfortunately, I can't remember what it is. I use ppc gentoo which has no livecd as yet. It must in the docs which are usually excellent.
[12:06] <Eagle_101> no no, I'm using the xubuntu liveCD
[12:06] <grazie> Eagle_101: that's really odd?
[12:06] <Eagle_101> I already have gentoo installed
[12:06] <Eagle_101> I'm trying to install xubuntu
[12:06] <Eagle_101> feisty 7.04
[12:07] <grazie> Eagle_101: you haven't downloaded a tweaked version of the iso?
[12:09] <Eagle_101> grazie, nope, this is the one from the website
[12:12] <grazie> Eagle_101: I don't know how ubuntu handles login, but some livecd distros generate a random password. Maybe this is where you are failing?
[12:12] <Eagle_101> grazie, no random pass, all I'm getting is a request for me to enter a username
[12:13] <Eagle_101> this is the first thing that I see after it boots into the CD
[12:14] <grazie> Eagle_101: again I don't know, but the user will probably be root. I think you'll need to contact one the devs to sort it
[12:14] <Eagle_101> :S bug?
[12:15] <grazie> Eagle_101: seems like it...did the md5 check out? Can you try the cd on another machine?
[12:16] <Eagle_101> don't have a second machine to test on... if it were a bug, the forums would be full of cries for help
[12:16] <Eagle_101> I can't install the distro without getting past this login screen
[12:16] <Eagle_101> md5 did check out
[12:17] <grazie> Eagle_101: not necessarily...there may be something unusual about your machine
[12:17] <Eagle_101> mmm :S
[12:19] <grazie> Eagle_101: don't you get the boot menu with check memory etc?
[12:19] <Eagle_101> I would rather not try to re burn the CD... it took 3 hours to download O.o
[12:19] <Eagle_101> yes
[12:19] <Eagle_101> I get that, and the CD checks out there
[12:20] <grazie> Eagle_101: you tried the recovery mode?
[12:20] <Eagle_101> :S recoery mode...
[12:20] <Eagle_101> um... I don't have it currently installed...
[12:20] <grazie> Eagle_101: sorry...I'm getting confused
[12:21] <Eagle_101> grazie, I don't have xubuntu installed, so how would the recovery information help?
[12:21] <Eagle_101> err the recovery mode.
[12:21] <grazie> Eagle_101: like I said ...I was getting confused
[12:22] <Eagle_101> ok :)
[12:22] <jlehto> Eagle_101: Can't you just install it from alternative install cd?
[12:23] <grazie> Eagle_101: Do you have VirtualBox  or similar installed?
[12:24] <Eagle_101>  I have gentoo installed, and I'd rather not install it with the alternate as I would like to see if my wireless will work
[12:25] <Eagle_101> as to do so means I'm over writing gentoo
[12:26] <grazie> Eagle_101: No...do you have virtualisation software on  XP (vmware, etc) or gentoo (qemu, vmware, virtualbox,etc)?
[12:26] <Eagle_101> no... :(
[12:26] <Eagle_101> would having any of that help?
[12:27] <Eagle_101> and if I were to try that, which one should I try?
[12:28] <Eagle_101> well I'm installing virtualbox now
[12:28] <grazie> Eagle_101: yes....you can see if the the livecd boots correctly under virtualisation. On XP would be quickest...no building required...vmware would be a demo...virtualbox is now open source
[12:29] <Eagle_101> grazie, I've just run emerge virtualbox ;)
[12:29] <Eagle_101> so in about 30 minutes I will have it working hopefully :)
[12:30] <grazie> Eagle_101: how much ram you got though?
[12:30] <Eagle_101> I'm only keeping my microsoft XP at the moment as it has wireless... and at my house thats all we have
[12:30] <Eagle_101> 256MB
[12:30] <grazie> a bit tight...
[12:30] <Eagle_101> grazie, yeah I know...
[12:30] <Eagle_101> but gentoo is lightweight
[12:30] <Eagle_101> I'll shut down firefox and non-essential stuff.
[12:31] <Eagle_101> hopefully I won't hit swap O.o
[12:33] <Eagle_101> what I don't get is why the CD even has that login screen to start with >.>
[12:50] <jlehto> I'm upgrading my xubuntu 6.06 to 7.04. Should I replace the /etc/login.defs. The upgrading thing is asking it
[12:54] <grazie> jlehto: you should upgrade to 6.10 first if you are not already doing this
[12:57] <Eagle_101> http://freeshells.ch/~jargoman/ndiswrapper.html << that makes me hopefull that someday my wireless will work ;)
[12:57] <Eagle_101> iff I can get my CD to work first ;)
[01:01] <Eagle_101> grazie, when I get the virtualbox thing installed, what do I do to get the CD going?
[01:04] <grazie> Eagle_101: can't give exact instructions for vb as it's not installed on current machine, but it should be pretty obvious. Create a virtual machine and use the livecd
[01:06] <Eagle_101> ok :S use the CD or the .iso file on my cd?
[01:06] <Eagle_101> err the .iso on my harddisk?
[01:09] <grazie> Eagle_101: iso image would be faster...think vb supports that
[01:10] <Eagle_101> ok
[01:10] <Eagle_101> if it will ever finish installing O.o
[01:14] <grazie> i think an hour to compile is more realistic, maybe more with 256M of ram
[01:15] <Eagle_101> yeah I see that ;)
[01:30] <Merchelo> yeah, i didn't get that, just  a clean install for me
[02:45] <Eagle_101> is there a commend in windows similar to wget?
[02:54] <pleia2> there is a version of wget for windows
[03:17] <homebrewcider> got a bit of a problem, trying to install libxine-extracodecs to get mp3 support for amarok, says " Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate", can someone help please
[03:18] <pleia2> homebrewcider: do you have multiverse in your /etc/sources.list ?
[03:19] <homebrewcider> in synaptic? is that what you mean?
[03:19] <pleia2> yeah
[03:19] <pleia2> libxine-extracodecs is part of multiverse, so you'd need it added to your sources
[03:19] <homebrewcider> all the boxes are checked as far as repositories go
[03:20] <pleia2> what version of xubuntu are you using?
[03:20] <homebrewcider> dapper shows it's head in the repositories lists
[03:21] <homebrewcider> they're shown as 6.06
[03:21] <homebrewcider> that's dapper isn't it?
[03:21] <gnomefreak> yes
[03:21] <gnomefreak> homebrewcider: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file to pastebin
[03:21] <homebrewcider> ok hang on
[03:22] <pleia2> gnomefreak: gah, gnomefreak thanks :)
[03:22] <gnomefreak> pleia2: yw ;)
[03:22] <gnomefreak> he may have them #
[03:22] <gnomefreak> or a fun mixed list
[03:22] <pleia2> mhmm
[03:22] <pleia2> libxine-extracodecs is in dapper multiverse
[03:23] <gnomefreak> should be
[03:24] <homebrewcider> http://paste.uni.cc/15879
[03:24] <leobloom> hallo
[03:24] <gnomefreak> homebrewcider: you dont have multiverse
[03:24] <gnomefreak> homebrewcider: you have backports/multiverse
[03:25] <leobloom> could somebody tell me where I can find a listofthe common problems with xubuntu feisty? Id lik e to know if they've fixed that damned troublewith the menu that edgyhad
[03:25] <homebrewcider> ah okay
[03:25] <homebrewcider> how do I rectify that please?
[03:25] <gnomefreak> homebrewcider: open that file up with gksudo <yourchoiceofeditors> and add a space than the word multiverse after all lines ending in universe
[03:25] <gnomefreak> or sudo nano
[03:25] <homebrewcider> ok
[03:26] <gnomefreak> homebrewcider: than save it than close it and run sudo apt-get update than sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[03:26] <homebrewcider> ok
[03:27] <homebrewcider> hang on
[03:28] <gnomefreak> homebrewcider: when you are done editing it before you close it please pastebin it and type my nick like gnomefreak linktopastebin  i have to look away for a little bit saying my nick will alert me
[03:30] <homebrewcider> every line, even security lines?
[03:31] <homebrewcider> gnomefreak
[03:31] <homebrewcider> every line, even security lines?
[03:31] <gnomefreak> homebrewcider: yes as long as they end in universe
[03:31] <gnomefreak> if they end in anything but universe leave them alone
[03:31] <homebrewcider> nearly done
[03:32] <gnomefreak> should be ~4 lines
[03:32] <gnomefreak> that need to be changes
[03:33] <homebrewcider> http://paste.uni.cc/15881
[03:34] <gnomefreak> homebrewcider: save it and close it
[03:34] <homebrewcider> done
[03:34] <homebrewcider> did it look right?
[03:40] <jlehto> Hi. I'm upgrading my xubuntu system to 7.04. I'm not sure was it 6.06 or 6.10. Can it cause bad damages if it was 6.06?
[03:41] <jlehto> I used the Update manager and it seems to go well
[03:42] <homebrewcider> gnomefreak, many thanks
[03:42] <gnomefreak> homebrewcider: yw
[03:42] <homebrewcider>  :)
[03:42] <homebrewcider> goodnight, it's late here
[03:42] <gnomefreak> homebrewcider: it looked right just do sudo apt-get update than install the package
[03:42] <gnomefreak> night
[03:42] <homebrewcider> I now have mp3
[03:43] <homebrewcider>  :)
[03:45] <jlehto> so what kind of damage can upgrading from 6.06 to 7.04 do?
[03:50] <Merchelo> jlehto: not much
[03:50] <Merchelo> jlehto: use the update manager to upgrade
[03:50] <jlehto> Merchelo: I used it
[03:50] <Merchelo> any problems?
[03:51] <jlehto> Merchelo: Not yet. It is still doing the upgrade
[03:53] <jlehto> Merchelo: Maybe it was already 6.10 if it was released last year and I installed my xubuntu in January
[03:53] <jlehto> I'm not sure
[03:53] <Merchelo> did it have a nice feisty upgrade icon on the update manager?
[03:54] <jlehto> I don't remember what that icon looks or was it there
[03:54] <jlehto> The update manager just said that there is version 7.04 available
[03:54] <W8TAH> im having issues with vmware -- when i try to run it, it complains that it needs to be re-configured when i try to it complins it cant stop all the services
[03:55] <W8TAH> im on fiesty
[03:55] <W8TAH> what do i do?
[03:55] <Merchelo> jlehto: yeah, thats it, did you click on it?
[03:55] <jlehto> yes I did and it started upgrading
[03:55] <Merchelo> cools, best way to do it, ^5 jlehto
[03:56] <jlehto> so maybe it will work okay
[03:57] <jlehto> I'm just quite new xubuntu user
[03:59] <jlehto> Do I have to install nvidia drivers again after upgrading?
[03:59] <Merchelo> fglrx ?
[03:59] <Merchelo> oh wait, thats ati, it should be fine
[04:00] <jlehto> I just got those drivers installed this morning
[04:01] <Merchelo> should be no change under fiesty
[04:01] <jlehto> okei
[04:02] <Merchelo> your not relation to JJ lehto ?
[04:03] <jlehto> no im not but I am too from Finland
[04:03] <Merchelo> cool, fins rock
[04:04] <jlehto> maybe they do
[04:07] <jlehto> btw is it easy to get logitech web cams work with xubuntu?
[04:08] <Merchelo> i don't know, but i remember reading about a guy who wrote drivers for over 2000 webcams :)
[04:08] <Merchelo> !webcam
[04:08] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:08] <jlehto> I have read something about those drivers
[04:16] <silvertip257> I've recently tried to customize a xubuntu liveCD, but the md5sum on the CD fails and of course the CD will not run the live distro
[04:58] <djuuss_> how to install Xfce 4.4.1 ?
[04:58] <djuuss_> can i use the debian unstable repository?
[04:59] <TheSheep> djuuss_: you can upgrade to Gutsy
[05:00] <djuuss_> :O how!
[05:00] <TheSheep> !upgrade
[05:00] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[05:00] <djuuss_> some stuff (most notably focus changing when changing desktops) that are annoying me atm are fixed in 4.4.1 so i'm looking forward to it      (gotta love dual-head and cedega)
[05:01] <TheSheep> djuuss_: but remember that it's an early alpha version
[05:01] <djuuss_> can i selectively pick packages to upgrade to or do i get the whole thing? are you using it atm?
[05:01] <TheSheep> djuuss_: yes and yes
[05:02] <TheSheep> djuuss_: just add the gutsy repositories and do a refresh in synaptic
[05:02] <djuuss_> cool, theres nothing about Gutsy on that link you gave me tho,  just put 'gutsy' after 'main universe' etc
[05:02] <djuuss_> ?
[05:03] <TheSheep> djuuss_: just copy the entries for feisty and replace all the 'fesity' with 'gutsy;
[05:04] <TheSheep> 'feisty' with 'gutsy'
[05:04] <djuuss_> Will do
[05:07] <djuuss_> i prefer Xfce4 over gnome and kde quite a lot, mostly look and feel and memory footprint, tho i think KDE handles dual-head setups a bit better
[05:07] <tobias> Hi, how do I install Skype in Xubuntu? I've got something wrong.
[05:07] <tobias> tobias@hakkburk:~$ sudo dpkg -i skype_debian-1.3.0.53-1_i386.deb
[05:07] <tobias> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[05:09] <djuuss_> if i have more questions should i ask in private or is this channel ok TheSheep?   I have one, why does XFCE metapackage upgrade demand the removal of gimp and swfplayer
[05:09] <djuuss_> tobias, kill synaptic first
[05:10] <tobias> thanks!
[05:11] <TheSheep> djuuss_: ask here
[05:11] <TheSheep> djuuss_: thexfce metapackage is obsolete, I think
[05:11] <TheSheep> !info xfce
[05:12] <ubotu> Package xfce does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:12] <TheSheep> yup
[05:12] <TheSheep> djuuss_: it's no longer in feisty even
[05:13] <TheSheep> djuuss_: install particular components instead
[05:14] <djuuss_> tobias, did that help? 'database area is locked' means some apt process is already running, so if its not synaptic then check your terminal(s) to see if apt is running in any of those
[05:18] <Rocito> ah
[05:19] <Rocito> !info xfce4
[05:19] <tobias> Where do I change the volume at my microphone?
[05:19] <ubotu> xfce4: meta-package for xfce4 dependencies. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.3.99.1 (feisty), package size 4 kB, installed size 48 kB
[05:19] <tobias> !info microphone
[05:19] <tobias> :(
[05:19] <ubotu> Package microphone does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:20] <Rocito> tobias, run 'alsamixer' in a terminal
[05:20] <Rocito> tobias, do you use the microphone on your sound card or is it an external usb headset?
[05:21] <tobias> soundcard.
[05:21] <tobias> how do I save the settings?
[05:21] <tobias> Just close it?
[05:21] <tobias> (it's working)
[05:22] <Rocito> ye
[05:22] <Rocito> your done
[05:22] <tobias> wooh \o/
[05:22] <tobias> You'r so kind :)
[05:22] <tobias> Now I've got skype up 'n working :)
[05:23] <Rocito> TheSheep, you seem to be an authority on this channel.. Can we use it for general 'oh i love xfce4 / Ah nice, this package i was looking for!'  chat, or only ask/answer questions
[05:24] <TheSheep> !ot
[05:24] <ubotu> #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[05:24] <TheSheep> :)
[05:26] <Rocito> Grey area i say, 'Oeh nice, 'xmove' is a brilliant new utility for people who use dual-head'  doenst sound offtopic to me ;)
[05:27] <TheSheep> Rocito: if you want to please the developers, better say it on #xfce
[05:27] <tobias> Just don't talk about your mother having sex at the next door. ;-)
[05:27] <tobias> THAT would be off-topic.
[05:28] <Rocito> Will do TheSheep, last time i checked that channel it was empty but apparantly you need to register with nickserv before it shows anything, did that now (djuuss is my pc login name, fallback for xchat apparantly)
[05:28] <tobias> I liek irssi :)
[05:30] <Eagle_101> Finally got the liveCD to work >.>
[05:30] <TheSheep> wierd, you only should need to register to send private messages
[05:30] <TheSheep> Eagle_101: \o/
[05:30] <Eagle_101> :)
[05:30] <TheSheep> Eagle_101: generated own checksum? :)
[05:30] <Rocito> !commands
[05:30] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[05:31] <tobias> Something I could do with linux, wich is fun or necessary? I'm total newbie :)
[05:31] <Eagle_101> TheSheep: no I had to pass it a boot command :S
[05:31] <Eagle_101> tobias install it :)
[05:31] <tobias> I've done so :)
[05:31] <TheSheep> tobias: anything you can do with a computer in general. personally I find programming fun, but your mileage may vary ;)
[05:31] <Rocito> Will installing xserver-xgl instead of xserver-xorg affect 3d gaming performance negatively? (or positively!) Anyone know?
[05:32] <tobias> I've done some basic VB anc C# before, but... they are bound to Windows :'(
[05:32] <Eagle_101> TheSheep: new problem it does not like mounting my file systems... anything change since dapper on dual boot systems?
[05:32] <TheSheep> tobias: untrue, there is mono and pnet for linux
[05:32] <Eagle_101> tobias: pick up something like php or perl ;)
[05:32] <TheSheep> tobias: for example, beagle and tomboy are both written in c#
[05:32] <Eagle_101> TheSheep: mono sorta sucks... it does not work well with windows forms
[05:32] <tobias> What does tomboy?
[05:32] <tobias> +do
[05:33] <TheSheep> tobias: a note-taking program
[05:33] <tobias> aha :-)
[05:33] <TheSheep> tobias: zim is something similar, only written in perl and faster
[05:35] <Eagle_101> are there any changes in how ubuntu does partitions since dapper?
[05:36] <TheSheep> Eagle_101: no
[05:36] <Eagle_101> mmm ok
[05:36] <TheSheep> Eagle_101: I think the interface to the partitioner migth have changed in the GUI installer, I never used it though
[05:36] <tobias> brb :)
[05:36] <Eagle_101> yeah it has
[05:37] <Eagle_101> and its not as good for daul boot systems >.>
[05:37] <TheSheep> :(
[05:37] <Eagle_101> I don't know what its problem is.
[05:38] <TheSheep> Eagle_101: there are some bugs about automounter preventing formatting of pertitions
[05:39] <tobias> bah! no job for me this summer. Unless they find some speciality I know >.<
[05:39] <TheSheep> tobias: penguin rising
[05:39] <tobias> w00t? :D
[05:40] <TheSheep> and penguin training
[05:40] <tobias> ah ;o
[05:40] <tobias> is it installed?
[05:40] <TheSheep> tobias: I was proposing some specialities
[05:41] <tobias> :o
[05:55] <Eagle_101> interesting problem :S
[05:55] <tobias> Oh noes, I haet problems.
[05:56] <Eagle_101> I'm trying to make an ext2 partition into an ext3 partition (from my older gentoo install) Its throwing a tempertantrum :(
[05:56] <Eagle_101> http://rafb.net/p/TT5AMZ87.html
[05:56] <Eagle_101> telling its mounted, even when I unmount it
[05:59] <Eagle_101>  mmm nice... it has fdisk :)
[05:59] <tobias> Whats the difference of man and xman?
[06:00] <Eagle_101> man is the mauals... dunno about xman... sounds like it is a graphical ting
[06:02] <Eagle_101> ah I see... the CD has a really nasty tendency to want to mount drives right when you don't want it to
[06:10] <Eagle_101> mmm making me reboot to set the partition table >.<
[06:10] <Eagle_101> back in a sec
[06:25] <Laibsch> what do you guys suggest as an XML editor?
[06:31] <Jester46> Laibsch: scite
[06:37] <Laibsch> Jester46: Thanks, I'll give it a try.  I have so far googled "conglomerate".  I'll test them both
[06:37] <Laibsch> Other suggestions welcome
[06:46] <Merchelo> bluefish
[06:47] <TheSheep> nvu
[06:47] <Merchelo> nvu is nice
[06:52] <Eagle_101> one gripe, way too much work to do the partitions...
[06:52] <Eagle_101> other then that its working fine :)
[06:57] <test3r> Hey I have an eMachines box here with WinXP already on it and I wanted to dualboot it. I cant get GParted livecd to boot up though because of the graphics chip, apparently. However, I just tried the 704 BETA livecd on a hunch, and here I am.
[06:57] <test3r> is there a way I can get my vid driver this is using and use it on the GParted livecd?
[06:58] <test3r> *funnies part- its an INTEL graphics, it should work like a charm. All hardware call SHOULD work to it, you'd think.
[07:00] <test3r> anyone that says our dist sucks is out of their mind. this can come up but gparted wont even come up for me
[07:03] <test3r> (Watch-  I'm immitating what INTEL must have been thinking making this graphics chip - ) "OH gee, all we have exp w/ is crappy INDEO video that died the week it was made, but let's make a Graphics Card! We shouldn't use other manufacturer's codes, either, as that would be too logical, might save time/R&D, and would actually allow our chip to FUNCTION!"          ^ ^
[07:05] <Eagle_101> heh
[07:05] <test3r> =D   rofl.  Hi there, Eagle. Did you get that boot prob sorted, yet?
[07:06] <TheSheep> test3r: I think that there is also gparted on the livecd
[07:06] <test3r> oh my god it would be the saving grace! so if i type that at prompt it should come up?
[07:10] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: hiho
[07:10] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: you're a good server admin, right?
[07:10] <Eagle_101> TheSheep: the graphical partition thingie on ubuntu is broken >.>
[07:12] <hyper__ch> Eagle_101: what's the problem?
[07:16] <test3r> by the time i realised it was too late-  when you launch term from the Apps menu on the liveCD, it switches to TTY1, mmm?
[07:16] <test3r> I thought it freeked out and didnt shutdown proper either
[07:31] <test3r> n/m i just recieved special delivery-  the top/sides to an ATX case and a PCI-based graphics accell...  ^ ^
[07:31] <test3r> peeeeeeeeeeee iece
[07:33] <Eagle_101> hey test3r I did get the LiveCD to work finally ;)
[07:33] <tobias> Teh install to?
[07:34] <Eagle_101> hyper__ch: it kept mounting the drives when I told it not to >.> so it would error out when I tried to change the formats... luckly there is a commandline editor :)
[07:34] <hyper__ch> Eagle_101: your wifi card works now?
[07:35] <Eagle_101> hyper__ch: no :( but I"ve not played with the tuturials yet
[07:35] <Eagle_101> I'm installing it now, I found a really promising tuturial, one thats speciicially for my card
[07:35] <test3r> holy crap- nice 1, Eagle.
[07:35] <tobias> If I want to autostart Skype, I go in to "Autostarted application", when I browse for the files I go to hidden files, and then Skype. What file should I choose?
[07:36] <test3r> see - you'll learn some nittygritty doing it too  ;)
[07:41] <tobias> Eagle_101: You know the awnser to my autostart question?
[07:41] <test3r> you want to choose the one that says .x86  or the such
[07:41] <test3r> you might b able to use a link in BIN if exists, too
[07:42] <test3r> check in /bin , and see if your cmnd is there
[07:42] <tobias> it was not :-( And I don't find any .x86 @ .skype
[07:43] <tobias> That might be the settingsfolder?
[07:43] <Eagle_101> tobias: sorry what was your question?
[07:43] <tobias> I want to start skype per default when booting the computer
[07:44] <test3r> ur not going to believe this- the PCI card wont fit it is a midge of nothing away frrom the length it needs to be
[07:44] <Eagle_101> tobias: get crontab
[07:44] <Merchelo> is there a winscp type app with a  nice GUI
[07:44] <Eagle_101> !crontab
[07:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about crontab - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:44] <Eagle_101> :S
[07:44] <test3r> yes use cron
[07:44] <Eagle_101> !cron
[07:44] <ubotu> cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[07:44] <test3r> daily
[07:44] <Eagle_101> there you go
[07:44] <Eagle_101> and set it to @reboot skype
[07:44] <test3r> set it up how you would setup PG
[07:45] <test3r> is there a reboot tab? i thought cron ran by day month year etc
[07:45] <Merchelo> test3r: you on xubuntu?
[07:45] <Eagle_101> test3r: yeah there is a reboot
[07:45] <test3r> either way- chek about yusing a cron tab with it
[07:45] <test3r> yes i am
[07:45] <Eagle_101> you just do @reboot in the crontab
[07:45] <tobias> does cron have GUI?
[07:45] <test3r> aaaaaa OK
[07:45] <Eagle_101> no
[07:45] <test3r> no no gui for cron
[07:45] <test3r> ull need to edit those with SUDO
[07:45] <Eagle_101> you just put the command in :)
[07:46] <Merchelo> ah wait, tobias are you on xubuntu? menu->settings->autostarted applications
[07:46] <Eagle_101> like if you want something to go daily at midnight
[07:46] <Eagle_101> 0 0 * * * /your/command/here
[07:46] <Eagle_101> oh! xubuntu has that O.o
[07:46] <test3r> yes you should learn it it is vital for any linux admin to know.
[07:46] <tobias> Well, I'm looking for the file witch is like windows .exe? :P
[07:46] <tobias> I'm total newb to linux.
[07:46] <Eagle_101> tobias: don't worry :)
[07:47] <Eagle_101> tobias: linux does not have .exe
[07:47] <Eagle_101> err it does, but you run those through wine
[07:47] <test3r> "Biggie SQUEEEEEEEEZE it ta make ch*t fit"  horray that card barely slid in
[07:48] <tobias> I know linux don't have .exe, but how does an application start? Linux don't use something similar?
[07:48] <test3r> its an S3, too.
[07:48] <test3r> gparted livecd should have NO pro with it
[07:48] <test3r> prob
[07:48] <test3r> board made 6/6/95 t says on the sticker on the back side of the board
[07:49] <grazie> tobias: easiest solution is to exit xfce with skype still running ensuring to check the save session. Next time you start xfce, skype will start up too.
[07:49] <Eagle_101> test3r: I was having problems with it, configuring my dual boot, so I just used the command line fdisk
[07:49] <test3r> tobias > i told you there should be one that says *.x86
[07:49] <test3r> thats the one that will come up In Here
[07:49] <test3r> not in terminal
[07:49] <tobias> I'd got it now. It's just to write "skype" in consol, witch would make it easy to write "skype" in the commandline to ;) I'm so stoopid.
[07:50] <test3r> youhave to launch that file from some type of command line, tyou see? BUT THEN it will make a window in here ad come up
[07:50] <test3r> I'll laugh if I confused my extentions too
[07:50] <test3r> im 99% sure you wanta .x86 file
[07:51] <W8TAH> hi folks - im lookin for suggestions here - - i have been using adobe premier to do all my video editing in, but for this vacation i'll have my xubuntu laptop with me -- i can capture using kino but it does not seem to want to do titling etc
[07:51] <W8TAH> what editor would you recomend
[07:51] <test3r> pinnacle
[07:51] <test3r> heh....  ^ ^
[07:52] <test3r> being as it takes a fration of the time to mux down compared to adobe
[07:52] <W8TAH> is pinnacle available for xubuntu?
[07:53] <test3r> probably not,but you can ask them
[07:53] <W8TAH> ok
[07:53] <tobias> Do I have to get cedega if I want have the possibility for my brothers kids to play counter-strike 1.6 on my computer?
[07:54] <Smygis> tobias, i think it works under wine
[07:54] <test3r> Adobe After Effects is nice though, because you can do alot of FX not in other prgs with it. But it still takes a rediculous amount of time to save anything down to usable video.
[07:54] <tobias> Do I have to install something else than Wine?
[07:55] <Smygis> dont think so
[07:55] <test3r> yes, wine luv valve
[07:55] <test3r> you have to run winecfg
[07:55] <test3r> did u do that yet? still dont go?
[07:56] <W8TAH> test3r, ya - i use AE here too - - i guess im looking for a program that is similar / equivalent to premier for this trip
[07:57] <test3r> my best guess would b pull up synaptic and search for key words related to what you want
[07:57] <test3r> "non-linear" should show a vid editor if its out there
[07:58] <Smygis> W8TAH, LiVES, Cinellera, Avidemux, Cinepaint and so on, Have not tryed (And definetly not AE) many of them so i dont realy know
[07:59] <W8TAH> cool - thanks
[07:59] <Smygis> Not realy my feald of expertis
[07:59] <W8TAH> ya -- i understnad -- my heavy duty editing i do on our premier bay here at school, but im gonna be out storm chasing for 2 -3 weeks, and i wanna be able to trip / title stuff if we get good stuff that i may wanna sell / upload
[08:01] <SlimG> What's the password of the Xubuntu Live disk?
[08:01] <SlimG> 7.04
[08:01] <test3r> why not just copy the files onto a FAT32 partition on the same disk? tux can read/write to FAT32
[08:01] <test3r> and then a winblows box will see and copy the files with ease
[08:02] <test3r> slim > ask Eagle he might know. he has same prob
[08:04] <Merchelo> jees, two in the one day :/
[08:05] <SlimG> test3r: mkay, I currently see no Eage thou
[08:07] <test3r> ut o he mustve left.  just webcrawl for "buntu livecd login"
[08:10] <Jester46> ok im thinking about dual booting a machine
[08:11] <Jester46> win 2000 pro and xubuntu
[08:11] <test3r> kewl.  and livecd boots on the hardware?
[08:11] <SlimG> Either the login is the biggest secret I've encountered or there is an error on the Live disk
[08:11] <Jester46> it has a 80gb drive i was thinking 30 for windows 10 for linux ~40 for shared and some for linux swap
[08:12] <Jester46> what would be a good filesystem for windows and xubuntu to share
[08:13] <Jester46> i was thinking FAT32 because i know both OS can use it but would ntfs be faster?
[08:13] <tobias> ntfs is a windows-file-system?
[08:14] <CHORUSS> hello
[08:14] <tobias> hi
[08:14] <Smygis> Jester46, EXT2/3, or (the evil) NTFS
[08:14] <CHORUSS> can u help me?
[08:14] <Smygis> yes?
[08:14] <tobias> CHORUSS: dont ask to ask.
[08:14] <tobias> Please :(
[08:14] <CHORUSS> :-) sorry..
[08:14] <Jester46> !ask
[08:14] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:14] <CHORUSS> I installed Network manager in my Xubuntu
[08:14] <tobias> :-D
[08:15] <Smygis> ok?
[08:15] <CHORUSS> but I dont know how to use it... I cant see its systray...
[08:15] <Jester46> Smygis: so how hard is it to get win2kpro to use ext3
[08:15] <CHORUSS> there should be a service and systray running, but i cant prove it
[08:15] <Smygis> Jester46, http://www.fs-driver.org/
[08:16] <CHORUSS> I need help way how to get network manager systray on panel
[08:18] <Myrtti> CHORUSS: nm-applet?
[08:18] <hyper__ch> Jester46: you're jester45?
[08:18] <Jester46> yes
[08:18] <hyper__ch> :)
[08:19] <Jester46> my bot is taking over Jester45
[08:19] <test3r> "It's a Secret to Everyone"
[08:19] <test3r> grumblegrumblegrumble^ ^
[08:19] <CHORUSS> y, network manager applet...
[08:20] <hyper_ch> you are controlled by a bot? *g*
[08:20] <test3r> How do i r tell winblows to use new PCI card instead of onboard? The onboard should be Disabled at BIOS.
[08:20] <tobias> I am a bot ;o
[08:20] <hyper_ch> test3r: try in #windoze
[08:21] <test3r> There - devicemanager, properties of the vid device then goto box that says "Enable"
[08:21] <test3r> ez enuf
[08:22] <CHORUSS> ok, solved
[08:23] <test3r> Now i just have to gut this dumb "webshots" backdrops that is lagging Everything
[08:26] <Jester46> if i use the driver from http://www.fs-driver.org/ should i make the shared partition ext2 or 3 ? i tend to crash windows alot so one that is more crash resistant would be nice
[08:27] <test3r> aw man, it can only 800x600 at 32bit color.  =(  and its a 64MB card!
[08:27] <hyper_ch> Jester46: ext3 is backwards compatible
[08:27] <hyper_ch> Jester46: so you can make it ext3
[08:27] <hyper_ch> at least the say so in the wiki/faq/howto
[08:28] <Jester46> but would it make any diffrence once i come back to linux
[08:28] <hyper_ch> I don't think so
[08:29] <test3r> if i remember correct ext3 is ext2 with journaling
[08:29] <test3r> so that is the diference there. not much.
[08:29] <hyper_ch> ext3 is with journaling
[08:29] <hyper_ch> ext2 isn't
[08:29] <hyper_ch> that's the only difference between those two
[08:29] <test3r> yeps  exactly =)
[08:30] <Jester46> If you mount an Ext3 file system as an Ext2 file system and the file system is not cleanly dismounted, (e.g. due to a system crash), you have to run the e2fsck tool. (Linux does it automatically.) Running e2fsck can take several hours on large volumes. You do not benefit from journaling the Ext3 file system, because you have to run e2fsck.
[08:30] <test3r> So is gparted itself on the Xubuntu 704 LiveCD then??
[08:31] <Jester46> i think i will make it ext2 i dont really want to have to run that
[08:31] <Jester46> yea it is
[08:31] <hyper_ch> Jester46: you only need to run it if windoze crashes
[08:31] <hyper_ch> sort of 3-4 times a week ;)
[08:31] <Jester46> i will probly crash it each day
[08:32] <test3r> being as ive used it already, and i know it works, thats what i would like to use. and only buntu is loading up with the lame Intel eMachines graphics accel
[08:32] <test3r> so if i can use gparted on the xubuntu livecd im gold.
[08:33] <test3r> also- all i have is the beta live cd right now can i install from that and then just run Update?
[08:33] <Jester46> yea
[08:36] <test3r> jester > up there that says it has to scan itself it was mounted as the Wrong Thing and then not umounted At ALl
[08:37] <test3r> how many times are you gaa incorrectly guess the filesystem of your drive?
[08:37] <test3r> letalone forGET how to shutdown   =)
[08:38] <Jester46> ??
[08:41] <test3r> at 2:30:38  say ext3 is bad for that reason there, but what it is really saying to you is, if you mount ext3 as the wrong thing, then proceed to pull the plug from the back of the box- not umounting anything, then there will be complaining when you reboot
[08:41] <test3r> that is what that says
[08:43] <test3r> (I think)
[08:43] <test3r> (which is like, lol, obviously)
[08:45] <test3r> speaking of shutting down -
[08:45] <test3r> if i am on a dist that dumps me at prompt after exiting X
[08:45] <Jester46> yea so if i make it ext3 and use windows and its moutns at ext2
[08:45] <Jester46> and i crash it then i have to run that program
[08:46] <Jester46> type sudo halt now
[08:46] <test3r> i try to issue sudo shutdown now, right?  well it does SOME f the shutdown then puts me back at a prompt again. Is it safe to shutoff at that point?
[08:47] <test3r> if i type at that point it yells and says "if you are rly sure u need to, here, i put u bak at prompt"  and then when i shutoff the power that time there it didnt like that
[08:47] <test3r> =(
[08:48] <test3r> oh yes I suppose so in that case of mounting it through winblows.  will winblows ONLY mount it as ext2 ? and why cant you use FAT32 as the shared partition for files between the OSs?
[08:49] <Jester46> idk
[08:49] <Jester46> is there a speed diffrence
[08:49] <test3r> Slack has a dist that runs entirely on the FAT32 filesys itself
[08:49] <test3r> you can inject it into a win98 box i suppose.
[08:50] <test3r> well yes it is as long as win98 takes to access a file I suppose (if it was on your newer, faster machine you are using)
[08:50] <test3r> There is prob a way to get *buntu to write to fat32, too, im guesing
[08:51] <test3r> if slak can
[08:51] <Jester46> i think buntu can by default
[08:51] <test3r> Nice! prob solved. go 4 it, playa
[08:51] <test3r> ;D
[08:53] <Jester46> FAT doesn support permissions
[08:54] <test3r> I haven't had the chance to do it yet, myself, I have 3 OSs on this laptop so not much room for a FAT32 partition. However, you can format some of the old first JumpDrives with FAT32, and that might work for sharing / temp storage
[08:54] <test3r> not fat16
[08:54] <test3r> fat32
[08:54] <test3r> and i think it did somehow because I remember those settings inside win98
[08:54] <test3r> might have gbeen the SE update
[08:54] <Jester46> ok so i will make the shared FAT32 mounted at /home/ryan/storage
[08:54] <test3r> you should have 98se anyway
[08:55] <test3r> mount it whereever u lik whe ur in linux i suppose
[08:55] <test3r> the tricky will be getting winblows to accept it being there
[08:55] <test3r> i suggest rebooting into win after creating the new FAT partititon
[08:55] <Jester46> winblows will not know
[08:56] <test3r> ^ ^     it can see it if it is an official partition on the disk,though.
[08:56] <test3r> if u use, say, gparted to make a free space OK. then use a dos dsk to partition that space into fat32
[08:57] <test3r> it doesnt add ur linux ones because (yep) they are in ext3,,raiser, watever
[08:57] <test3r> doesnt know wat 2 do
[08:57] <Jester46> umm... im going to be formating the drive
[08:58] <test3r> oh thats too ez! do the whole thing leaving te orig win intact
[08:58] <test3r> =D
[08:58] <test3r> thats what i did on this laptop.
[08:58] <test3r> u can do eeeet!
[08:58] <test3r> hp laptop can do it- YOU can do eeet!
[08:58] <test3r> ;D
[08:59] <Merchelo> ...
[08:59] <Jester46> well... im done backing up
[08:59] <test3r> Does anyone know yet if gParted is on the buntu live cd? or what- shouldi just sudo apt-get install gparted once im in?
[09:00] <Jester46> i think its on there but you can just apt-get it
[09:19] <kalikiana> Alex is a fake, seriously: http://w3collective.com/node/9
[09:20] <kalikiana> *Alexa
[09:27] <tobias> how do I burn an .img file to a DVD-disc? (it's a movie)
[09:29] <hyper_ch> well, use a burning program :)
[09:30] <tobias> Gief example of one of the best? :-)
[09:30] <hyper_ch> tobias: xfburning is included in xfce... however I prefer k3b
[09:30] <tobias> ok thanks :-)
[09:30] <hyper_ch> tobias: the "best" depends on the criteria you apply :)
[09:30] <hyper_ch> and burn it as cd-image
[09:32] <tobias> kipi-plugins, do I need them for k3b?
[09:32] <hyper_ch> no clue what they are
[09:32] <tobias> ok
[09:46] <yknott> tobias: i thought those were the plugins that show in konqueror, for example audiocd:/
[09:52] <tobias> hey my xarchiver is freezed :<
[09:52] <tobias> how do i kill it?
[09:54] <predaeus> tobias, applications/system/process manager   rightclick on process
[09:54] <predaeus> tobias, first try "term" then "kill" if it does nothing
[09:55] <tobias> what is
[09:55] <tobias> xfce4panel?
[09:56] <tobias> and abiword?
[09:56] <tobias> they take like... 84% of my CPU
[09:56] <predaeus> xfce4panel is the panel (the bars) on top and bottom
[09:56] <predaeus> of your desktop, abiword is a word processor as far as I know
[09:57] <tobias> abiword took 94% of my processor. GLHF :D
[10:10] <tobias> I can't open my DVD-burner
[10:10] <tobias> Failed to eject "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_TSSTcorpCD/DVDW_SH_S162L".
[10:10] <tobias> Given device "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_TSSTcorpCD/DVDW_SH_S162L" is not a volume or drive.
[10:10] <tobias> sry
[10:24] <st3-f> my panel disappeared, how can i get it back?
[10:24] <st3-f> btw, hi all
[10:29] <Merchelo> panel?
[10:32] <st3-f> found it - thx though
[10:33] <Merchelo> eh, no problem?
[10:41] <aliasrush> does anyone know how to disable tooltips in xfce?
[10:51] <wildcat430> need help with sound card
[10:55] <kalikiana_> aliasrush, I am not aware of an xfce specific option for tooltips. You might ask in #gtk+ (freenode or gimpnet) for gtk programs.
[11:01] <hyper_ch> why does this take up extremly much cpu?       4767 10.3 10.0 127568 103652 tty7    SLs+ May26 485:23 /usr/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
[11:03] <crimsun> that really shouldn't be a surprise at all if you're using any sort of gui.
[11:03] <hyper_ch> crimsun: 90% cpu?
[11:03] <hyper_ch> crimsun: just only somteims
[11:04] <hyper_ch> for like 1-2min
[11:05] <TheDarkKiller> Hey
[11:05] <GrueTamer> hi
[11:05] <TheDarkKiller> Today, I tried to change from Xubuntu to Ubuntu...
[11:05] <hyper_ch> TheDarkKiller: why?
[11:06] <TheDarkKiller> Well
[11:06] <TheDarkKiller> I'm going to use it for a server now
[11:06] <hyper_ch> thought so.. there is no real reason to switch
[11:06] <hyper_ch> what do you want then gnome for?
[11:06] <TheDarkKiller> It has more server utilities
[11:07] <hyper_ch> running a server with gui?
[11:07] <TheDarkKiller> I mean, reason for switching to Ubuntu
[11:07] <TheDarkKiller> Yes
[11:07] <st3-f> server != gui
[11:07] <xjkx> i cant play dvds
[11:07] <TheDarkKiller> Well, I like shiny interfaces
[11:07] <hyper_ch> you don't run a server with a gui
[11:07] <TheDarkKiller> So I just typed
[11:08] <TheDarkKiller> Oh
[11:08] <TheDarkKiller> Well
[11:08] <TheDarkKiller> I need Wine
[11:08] <hyper_ch> for two reasons:
[11:08] <hyper_ch> (1) waste of server power that can be put at better use
[11:08] <TheDarkKiller> Some of my server applications needs to be run my Wine
[11:08] <TheDarkKiller> *by
[11:08] <hyper_ch> (2) a matter of security... the more stuff is installed the more likely it will be hacked
[11:09] <TheDarkKiller> Yeah
[11:09] <TheDarkKiller> But I still need Wine, tough
[11:10] <hyper_ch> TheDarkKiller: what for?
[11:10] <TheDarkKiller> Well
[11:10] <TheDarkKiller> It is a bit complicated, but let me explain
[11:11] <TheDarkKiller> A game I'm currently making (for Windows) has a specific protocol that's currently not 'defined'
[11:11] <TheDarkKiller> Also
[11:11] <hyper_ch> why don't you make it for linux?
[11:11] <TheDarkKiller> Well
[11:11] <TheDarkKiller> Because I can't code in Linux
[11:12] <TheDarkKiller> And
[11:12] <TheDarkKiller> Because almost every gamer uses Windows, sadly
[11:12] <hyper_ch> TheDarkKiller: c++
[11:12] <TheDarkKiller> I hate C++
[11:12] <TheDarkKiller> Or
[11:12] <hyper_ch> make it open source... then it should be simple to convert
[11:12] <TheDarkKiller> I have a C++ handicap, so to say
[11:13] <TheDarkKiller> Well, my development enviroment is a bit easyfied
[11:13] <hyper_ch> anyway, what is the problem now?
[11:13] <TheDarkKiller> It has a Lua interpreter with alot of functions
[11:13] <xjkx> libdvdread3  is in its newer version and i cant play dvds
[11:14] <Eagle_101> !broadcom
[11:14] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:14] <hyper_ch> TheDarkKiller: no clue what Lua is
[11:14] <TheDarkKiller> The problem is, that after I did 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' and
[11:14] <TheDarkKiller> removed xubuntu
[11:14] <TheDarkKiller> then restarted
[11:15] <TheDarkKiller> I don't seem to have Gnome, but XFCE
[11:15] <xjkx> noone plays dvds?
[11:15] <hyper_ch> are you sure you remove xubuntu?
[11:15] <hyper_ch> xjkx: dvd play fine here
[11:15] <xjkx> hyper_ch: libdvdread3  is in its newer version and i cant play dvds
[11:15] <TheDarkKiller> 'sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop xubuntu-artwork-usplash' + 'sudo apt-get autoremove'
[11:15] <xjkx> what have i done wrong
[11:16] <hyper_ch> I guess you need libdvdcss2
[11:16] <TheDarkKiller> Also, it didn't ask me what gm I wanted.
[11:17] <xjkx> hyper_ch: u use gxine?
[11:17] <hyper_ch> TheDarkKiller: for proper removal, now that you screwed up, search on google for "psychocat ubuntu" --> there is a small guide on how to uninstall desktops and switching them in case you have f**** up something before :)
[11:17] <hyper_ch> xjkx: nope
[11:17] <xjkx> what u use
[11:17] <hyper_ch> vlc
[11:48] <aliasrush> anyone use openoffice with xubuntu?
[11:49] <aliasrush> anyone have a problem with openoffice being really huge while running in xubuntu?
[11:49] <TheSheep> aliasrush: disable java
[11:50] <aliasrush> really... how do I do that?
[11:50] <aliasrush> you mean in the actual program?
[11:50] <aliasrush> I think I found it
[11:54] <aliasrush> TheSheep: it is still doing it
[11:55] <aliasrush> it is real ugly too... not sure why and I am using v2.2.0
[11:56] <TheSheep> aliasrush: screenshot?
[11:57] <aliasrush> should I pastebin it?
[11:58] <aliasrush> and how do I take a screenshot in xfce... I am used to gnome
[11:59] <TheSheep> aliasrush: there is a panel applet, or you can use gimp, or you can install scrot
[11:59] <aliasrush> I will do the applet... and should I send it to ya?
[12:00] <TheSheep> aliasrush: just upload it to some imageshack or something
[12:00] <TheSheep> aliasrush: or you can dcc it to me if you know how
[12:01] <Eagle_101> now if I can only figure out how to configure the wireless connection :S
[12:02] <aliasrush> TheSheep: I will use imageshack
[12:05] <Eagle_101> ok how do I make my wireless card actually scan for networks?
[12:05] <aliasrush> TheSheep: http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8545/ooscreenshotsj6.png
[12:06] <TheSheep> Eagle_101: I only ever used 'iwconfig --ESSID=any" or something like that
[12:06] <TheSheep> aliasrush: looks like it uses a qt frontend, not a gtk one
[12:07] <aliasrush> ok what does that mean?.... and how do I change it to look like gnome
[12:08] <TheSheep> aliasrush: install openoffice-gtk
[12:08] <aliasrush> ahh.... ok
[12:08] <TheSheep> and removet he openoffice.org-kde one
[12:10] <Eagle-101> TheSheep: thanks :D I'm on the wireless now :D
[12:13] <aliasrush> thank you... already fixed it