[12:50] <marseillai> Riddell: i've fix the problem with k3b in a clean way no symlink only patching source : here is the fix : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5322 it build and works fine. if you could look at it ?
[01:06] <marseillai> oki i've just learn that we don't need to revu those things
[01:06] <marseillai> and that this is enough : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/44524 with debdiff
[01:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44524 in k3b "k3b uses wrong normalize binary name" [Medium,Fix committed] 
[02:55] <yuriy> hmm so there is no way to use a kde3 part in a qt4 app right? cause i am looking at t-c-m and it would just make so much sense to stick ksysguard in there
[03:08] <yuriy> t-c-m has a "gtkimage" that it uses to watch screens through vnc. should i be using qgraphicsview?
[03:55] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[03:55] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[03:56] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you broke kde 3.5.7? :)
[03:59] <yuriy> still can't install kde4 packages :-\
[03:59] <ajmitch> no more info than that, of course :)
[03:59] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no, why?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: which part?
[04:00] <yuriy> is kdecopy supposed to replace the regular qt4 packages?
[04:00] <ajmitch> especially knetworkmanager
[04:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i didnt touch knetworkmanager
[04:00] <Hobbsee> but it's been playing up for me too, in the past couple of days
[04:00] <Hobbsee> i wonder if it's the new networkstatus, or osmething
[04:01] <ajmitch> I just saw "nothing really starting with K available"
[04:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:02] <Jucato> yuriy: that's what the announcement page says
[04:02] <ajmitch> hm, might not quite be as broken as though
[04:02] <Jucato> yuriy: which removes all the Qt 4 apps on Kubuntu and the kubuntu-desktop metapackage
[04:02] <yuriy> hmm must've missed that in the announcement
[04:03] <Hobbsee> there should be a new release in a couple of days, anyway
[04:03] <yuriy> anyways i guess i can't install it then... need pyqt4
[04:03] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: some miscommunication, seems like apps aren't dying, that was in reference to fetching stuff
[04:03] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:04] <Jucato> yuriy: "Install kde4base-dev, this will uninstall the normal qt4 packages and install the qt4 kdecopy packages." http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha1.php
[04:04] <Hobbsee> oh wait, no it's not.  beta1 is the 25th of may
[08:37] <_marseillais> hi
[08:50] <_marseillais> Riddell, did you see my message about k3b patch ?
[10:39] <Riddell> marseillai: nope
[10:40] <_marseillais> i've done a patch for k3b and normalize. in fact i just had to remove some changes in an existing k3b patch. i've test it and now it works fine.
[10:40] <_marseillais> i've attach a debdiff to bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/44524 including change in patches and changelog
[10:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44524 in k3b "k3b uses wrong normalize binary name" [Medium,Fix committed] 
[10:41] <_marseillais> Riddell, so if you have time ....
[10:42] <Riddell> ok, but k3b also needs a merge from debian
[10:42] <_marseillais> yes
[10:42] <_marseillais> i've take a look at it yesterday
[10:42] <_marseillais> but it was a little bit to late to start something so hard
[10:49] <mhb> good morning
[10:50] <Tm_T> good day
[10:50] <Tm_T> when I last time been active here?
[10:51] <Tm_T> 2 days ago, ok
[11:14] <kwwii> Riddell: thanks for the note about registration, nobody mentioned that to me
[11:15] <Riddell> kwwii: you should also ask on the e.v. list who else is going from kde
[11:19] <kwwii> Riddell: I noticed that Celeste and George are on the list of attendees
[11:20] <Riddell> kwwii: that may only be for previous events
[11:20] <kwwii> so are you attending?
[11:21] <Riddell> not that I've heard
[11:21] <Riddell> seems they want to send you instead
[11:22] <kwwii> well, I am going for UME
[12:55] <vprints> Riddell, do you remember fixing Bug #102544 ?
[12:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102544 in kdegraphics "Firefox uses not fully functional Kghostview to open PDF's in KDE instead of the system default KPDF" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102544
[12:55] <vprints> I think that you did fix that
[12:55] <Riddell> vprints: mm hmm
[12:55] <vprints> :P
[12:58] <vprints> I did a fresh install some days ago and it opens pdf's with kpdf now
[12:58] <vprints> so you could mark it fixed :)
[01:00] <vprints> or shall i just write fixed by riddell there ?
[01:00] <Riddell> oh, it is fixed
[01:00] <Riddell> phew, thought you were going to tell me it wasn't fixed :)
[01:01] <Riddell> set as fixed
[01:02] <vprints> thanks :)
[01:02] <vprints> and thanks fox fixing that
[01:25] <Riddell> hola morn|eri
[01:26] <morn|eri> hey
[01:27] <morn|eri> i have visited the kubuntu booth :)
[01:28] <Riddell> at linux tag?
[01:28] <morn|eri> yup
[01:28] <Riddell> did they recognise your fame?
[01:29] <morn|eri> nah, but they had adept running on the machine so i said i know that program (and why :-)
[01:29] <morn|eri> i'm wearing a redhat t-shirt though
[01:29] <morn|eri> so it's a bit odd
[01:29] <morn|eri> i'll have a kde one for tomorrow
[01:30] <Riddell> I'm working on a red hat article for the dot, so it's all good :)
[01:32] <mhb> Riddell: started bug 117731 we talked about a minute ago
[01:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117731 in python-kde3 "Python crashes after attaching pty to a konsole kpart" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117731
[01:34] <Riddell> mhb: can you send me some example code that has the problem?
[01:35] <mhb> Riddell: I'll push my latest changes, you can test it then
[01:35] <morn|eri_> there's a thing that sucks about wireless networks
[01:37] <morn|eri_> and having your home machine down because of electricity overhaul
[01:38] <Lure> Riddell: btw, python-qt4 test package works nicely with dbus/hal events - so we just need to wait to hit debian and then merge
[01:39] <Riddell> Lure: great
[01:42] <morn|eri_> eh, the xen talk is booring
[01:42] <Riddell> morn|eri_: got a camera to take photos?
[01:42] <morn|eri_> sure
[01:42] <Riddell> seeing the kubuntu and kde booths would be handy
[01:42] <morn|eri_> okey, i'll go over there in a while and take photos :-)
[01:49] <morn|eri_> Riddell: http://people.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/img_1789.jpg (and 1790 and 1791) are from before
[01:49] <morn|eri_> warning -- full resolution
[01:51] <Riddell> ooh, there's sebas
[01:51] <Riddell> although it looks more like a desk than a booth :)
[01:51] <morn|eri_> yup
[01:51] <morn|eri_> look at the second one
[01:51] <morn|eri_> with ossi
[01:53] <Riddell> morn|eri_: that's quite a step down from last year
[01:53] <Riddell> nice kubuntu poster, wonder who did that
[01:53] <Riddell> I've no idea who that is on the kubuntu stand
[01:53] <Riddell> but that happened when I was at linuxtag last year, lots of kubuntu people I never knew existed
[01:53] <morn|eri_> i don't know anyone of them
[01:54] <morn|eri_> apparently all are from kubuntu-de
[01:55] <vprints> The CD package looks great too
[01:58] <morn|eri> http://people.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/lucka.jpg ;-) when i'm looking at the directory...
[02:05] <Riddell> now that's not linuxtag
[02:06] <morn|eri> and Riddell wins the observer of the monthh prize ;-)
[02:07] <morn|eri> well, i'll go and make some photos
[02:07] <morn|eri> will log on later, cya
[02:25] <JuJuBee> Riddell : that email address you gave me yesterday got bounced back as undeliverable.
[02:25] <Riddell> JuJuBee: which?
[02:25] <JuJuBee> simon at simonzone dot com
[02:26] <Riddell> err, really?
[02:26] <JuJuBee> Ype.
[02:26] <JuJuBee> Yep*
[02:26] <Riddell> that's definately his address
[02:26] <Riddell> _Sime_: poke poke ^^
[02:29] <JuJuBee> Where can I get some assistance with NIS?  Weird behavior...
[02:30] <_marseillais> mmmmmmmm am i allow to change an existing patch to solve a problem he add and in the same time change this same patch to solve another bug wich is a little bit related with the first one?
[02:30] <_marseillais> or i should make another patch?
[02:32] <ScottK> _marseillais: Is that patch an Ubuntu unique patch or is it from Debian?
[02:33] <_marseillais> an ubuntu
[02:34] <ScottK> OK, then in that case I'd say (in my non-expert opinion) you are free to edit the patch as long as you carefully document it in debian/changelog.
[02:34] <_marseillais> oki
[02:36] <_marseillais> because the first patch try (and fail) to resolve only half of this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/45026 the normalize part and i was wondering if i should do another patch for the other part (emovix one)
[02:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 45026 in k3b "K3b dont find emovix-2 and normalize" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[02:38] <ScottK> _marseillais: My major thought on the matter was that if it was a Debian patch you ought to leave it alone to make future merging easier.  In this case I'd say do whatever will be clearer to the next person to touch the package.
[02:38] <_marseillais> oki
[02:38] <_marseillais> so edit patch! :)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> eveningall
[02:56] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[02:56] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> yay, injuries
[02:56] <Riddell> Hobbsee: are you going to sync/merge kguitar?  it's got your name on it http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-manual.html
[02:56] <Hobbsee> er, cant type
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: mmm...yeah....
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm hoping that upstream will release a new version
[03:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: oh, what's happening with knetworkmanager?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it will be a straight sync, last i looked, when upstream releases a new version, and debian packages it.  i'll have to look again, though
[03:00] <Hobbsee> didnt tonio_ say that upstream were releasing 0.2?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> so he was wanting to wait for that?
[03:01] <Riddell> that rings a bell
[03:08] <Lure> Hobbsee: our knm has networkstatus patch, not sure about debian
[03:08] <Lure> Hobbsee: 0.2 should be out soon, but no date yet
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's networkstatus supposed to do?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> it seems that the last few days, my uni wifi has been on crack - connecting to it
[03:08] <Lure> Hobbsee: that is the buggy stuff that makes your konqueror/kopete not working if knm is not aware about your network connection ;-)
[03:08] <Hobbsee> the fact that one cant acutlaly authenticate to it via the webpage shouldnt effect that?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Lure: ahhh.  that stuff :)
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Lure: it even sometimes works, too
[03:09] <Hobbsee> kopete will still try to connect, sometimes.
[03:09] <Lure> Hobbsee: it works if knm is managing connection or static IP ethernet, but does not work for PPP/dialup
[03:09] <Hobbsee> cue me killing 5 windows from it
[03:09] <Hobbsee> right
[03:09] <Hobbsee> s/works/mostly works/
[03:10] <Lure> Hobbsee: not all protocols in kopete have the support for it (yet)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> ahh
[03:10] <Hobbsee> this'd be fairly standard - jabber, msn, yahoo, icq..
[03:12] <Riddell> Lure: you also have an entry on universe-manual (eqonomize)
[03:12] <Lure> Riddell: I can look into it tonight
[03:12] <Hobbsee> mmm....i remember uploading that package
[03:13] <Lure> Riddell: -manual are packages that were packaged from scratch for ubuntu, right?
[03:13] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[03:14] <Lure> Riddell: ryanakca might not be happy since his first package will be overriden by debian packaging ;-)
[03:18] <Riddell> he can always package more :)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hi mornfall
[03:25] <morn|eri_> afternoon Hobbsee
[03:25] <morn|eri_> well, whatever it is at your lattitude ;-)
[03:26] <morn|eri_> make that longitude
[03:26] <Hobbsee> it's almost midnight
[03:28] <morn|eri_> :-)
[03:48] <_marseillais> k3b devs really speak a langage different that mine...
[03:48] <Riddell> how's that?
[03:48] <_marseillais> their code
[03:48] <_marseillais> it's clear and clean
[03:49] <_marseillais> but it gives me headhache to understand it
[03:55] <Lure> Riddell: why is this build taking older (0.3.1) version of strigi build-dep then latest in repo (0.5.1), causing build to fail: http://librarian.launchpad.net/7879200/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.strigiapplet_0.5.1-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[03:57] <Riddell> Lure: strigi 0.5 isn't in the archive, it's probably stuck in NEW for something
[03:58] <Hobbsee> it's in NEW, yes.
[03:58] <Lure> Riddell: true, it works here as I have locally build one ;-)
[03:59] <Lure> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=strigi
[03:59] <Lure> Hobbsee: is new regularly processed now, or not at all? (there are 186 packages waiting)
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Lure: depends - they cna cherry pick if needed
[04:14] <Lure> fabo: [16:10]  <seb128> Lure: any reason to have "libcluceneindex.so -> libcluceneindex.so.0" rather than to the real lib (libcluceneindex.so.0.5.1)?
[04:15] <pgoodall> kwwii: ping
[04:15] <Lure> fabo: nothing of major concern, just one symlink too many
[04:33] <kwwii> pgoodall: pong
[04:43] <pgoodall> kwwii: don't know if the /msg is working
[04:43] <pgoodall> kwwii: how are you?
[04:43] <kwwii> pgoodall: yeah, I think you have to have a registered nick to make that work
[04:43] <kwwii> pgoodall: doing well :-)
[04:43] <kwwii> pgoodall: and you?
[04:43] <pgoodall> pretty good
[04:44] <pgoodall> no longer w/ Novell :-)
[04:44] <kwwii> I heard about that
[04:44] <pgoodall> I was looking for your e-mail address
[04:44] <pgoodall> only have your mobile
[04:45] <kwwii> kwwii@ubuntu.com
[04:45] <repete> thx. :-)
[04:45] <repete> You going to this Ubuntu Live thing?
[04:46] <kwwii> nope, looks like I will be at another meeting
[04:46] <repete> ah...
[04:47] <kwwii> my life is filled with business trips these days :-(
[04:47] <repete> really?  Moved on from the artwork thing?  Or playing ambassador?
[04:47] <Riddell> he never was very good at artwork :)
[04:48] <repete> hehe
[04:48] <kwwii> still doing artwork stuff but doing it with other companies these days
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you're not supposed to say that while he's around :P
[04:48] <kwwii> thanks Riddell
[04:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I jest
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i know.  see the :P
[04:50] <kwwii> repete: actually, I have been working with tigert again - reminds me of old times :-)
[04:51] <repete> nice!
[04:51] <repete> haven't spoken with him in a while, but always enjoyed working with him
[04:51] <kwwii> now if I could only get him to leave nokia and join canonical ;-)
[05:06] <kwwii> repete: btw, my jabber account is kwwii@jabber.org
[05:08] <repete> cool.  Thx.
[05:08] <repete> looks like you are offline
[05:11] <asimon> Hello, the name convention for KDE3 widget styles is 'kde-style-name'. What about KDE4 styles? Should they be named kde4-style-name?  I ask because I want to package the qt4/kde4 version of qtcurve (for revu). Thanks.
[05:13] <Riddell> hi asimon, that convention comes from debian packagers.  there's no convention for kde 4 yet since no packages exist but that seems sensible
[05:14] <Riddell> asimon: also I wouldn't bother turning on the kde 4 bits yet, just the qt ones (but may as well call the package kde4- for when that does become sane to use)
[05:14] <kwwii> repete: funky, it shows me online :-(
[05:14] <asimon> Riddell: Okay, thanks.
[05:15] <repete> kwwii: try adding pete@yellowhouse.org as a buddy
[05:16] <repete> that's on gmail hosted, so should work as a jabber account
[05:16] <kwwii> lol, great error message:  Your message could not be delivered: "ping?", Reason: ""
[05:16] <kwwii> miht be my client, one second
[05:17] <Riddell> repete: have you converted to KDE yet?
[05:17] <mhb> that's what jabber says when gmail account isn't online
[05:17] <mhb> kwwii: ^^
[05:17] <mhb> kwwii: rather: that's what the gmail server responds
[05:18] <repete> Riddell: nope.  :-/
[05:19] <repete> Riddell: you guys make some impressive stuff, but I just couldn't get used to it
[05:19] <Riddell> repete: humbug, well any day now I'm sure you will :)
[05:19] <repete> every now and again I give it a try
[05:19] <repete> anxiously awaiting kde4
[05:20] <repete> have to admit I'm quite addicted to the Computer menu in SUSE's GNOME
[05:20] <kwwii> repete: yeah, it says "404 error" in Gaim
[05:21] <repete> kwwii: I wasn't logged in as I was trying to configure gaim
[05:21] <repete> try again
[05:25] <kwwii> repete: no luck :-( you'd think I could figure this out
[05:26] <repete> computers are hard
[05:26] <repete> hehe
[05:26] <kwwii> in the good old days if we wanted to talk to someone we had to walk 8 miles through the snow to talk to them :p
[05:32] <ScottK> Up hill. ...  Both ways.
[05:33] <kwwii> *exactly*
[05:36] <kwwii> well, my yahoo account is kennethwesleywimer, maybe that works :p
[06:23] <Jucato> lol
[06:23] <Jucato> I just watched the Qt 4 dance this morning :)
[06:23] <nixternal> Jucato: that was just gas, that wasn't a qt4 dance ;p
[06:23] <Jucato> roflmao
[06:28] <JuJuBee> I still have not resolved my problem with User Management being broken.  Is there anyone that can help? Please...
[06:32] <Daskreech> JuJuBee: what was the problem?
[06:32] <JuJuBee> User manangement from kcontrol will not load.  Neither will userconfig from cli....
[06:32] <JuJuBee> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23115/
[06:34] <Daskreech> which release?
[06:35] <Hobbsee> loads fine here...
[06:35] <Daskreech> Here too
[06:35] <JuJuBee> Feisty, just upgraded some packages yesterday morning
[06:35] <Hobbsee> JuJuBee: did you get onto sebas, etc?
[06:35] <JuJuBee> Was working prior to the upgrade...
[06:35] <Hobbsee> were these 3.5.7 packages?
[06:35] <JuJuBee> or maybe I should say update?
[06:36] <Daskreech> How did the kde-guidance reintall go?
[06:36] <JuJuBee> Did not help.  Seemed to go fine...
[06:39] <JuJuBee> When I click on the user management link in kcontrol, it just gives me the welcome screen for kcontrol when you launch kcontrol.
[06:41] <Hobbsee> JuJuBee: did you get onto sebas, etc?
[06:41] <JuJuBee> I spent the last week installing software and configuring this computer preparing to be imaged.  I will deploy this image to the rest of the computers in my classroom.
[06:41] <Hobbsee> were these 3.5.7 packages?
[06:42] <JuJuBee> How do I find out?  What is sebas?
[06:42] <Hobbsee> sebas is a person, usually in this channel
[06:42] <JuJuBee> No then.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> and you'd have to have a look at your sources.list
[06:42] <JuJuBee> let me go check.
[06:43] <yuriy> generally you'd only have kde 3.5.7 if you added it on purpose
[06:43] <Hobbsee> exactly
[06:43] <yuriy> i thought sebas did powermanager and sime did the rest
[06:44] <Hobbsee> ahh.  not sure.  either will point to the correct person, though
[06:44] <Hobbsee> actually, that's probably right
[06:44] <JuJuBee> no mention of 3.5.7, I have not edited this file manually since installing feisty.
[06:45] <JuJuBee> Dont know what that is, so probably not.
[06:45] <yuriy> hmm so it's choking on your uid or something..
[06:45] <JuJuBee> Just using apt-get and adept
[06:46] <yuriy> what happens if you use python 2.4? (don't remember how to change it without uninstalling 2.5)
[06:47] <JuJuBee> Should I unistall it and install 2.4?
[06:47] <JuJuBee> Should I try to log in as root and test?
[06:47] <yuriy> hmm..were there any updates to guidance?
[06:47] <Hobbsee> ick, no.
[06:47] <Hobbsee> yuriy:
[06:48] <Hobbsee> JuJuBee: you do odd things to your system doing that.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> JuJuBee: try kdesu kcontrol, see if it comes up then
[06:48] <JuJuBee> K
[06:48] <Daskreech> yuriy: does he have a non standard UID?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> yuriy: no.  only thing was adept, kernel update
[06:49] <yuriy> what do you mean "original exception was"?
[06:49] <yuriy> nvm it's the same thing anyway
[06:50] <Hobbsee> JuJuBee: your username actually *has* sudo powers on that machine, doesnt it?
[06:51] <JuJuBee> Yes, it is supposed to and did have prior to this.
[06:51] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[06:51] <JuJuBee> My uid is 1000 and when I run kcontrol at cli, it throws a bunch of python 2.5 errors
[06:51] <Hobbsee> i have no idea.  i just want to sleep
[06:54] <nixternal> Riddell: I am trying to get the Kubuntu docs at least dual licensed
[06:54] <nixternal> it is killing me actually to be CC-by-SA and not GFDL or GPL to a point because i can't use any of the KDE docs
[06:54] <yuriy> JuJuBee: are there any lines in /etc/passwd that don't fit the format? (7 things separated by colons)
[06:54] <JuJuBee> How can I install python 2.4 to test?
[06:55] <nixternal> if the reason behind the license change was to be able to use the Official Book, that don't make sense, since the book is *ubuntu* only except for a small portion (i.e., chapter 7)
[06:55] <JuJuBee> I will go look...
[06:55] <nixternal> jjesse: you see that?
[06:56] <nixternal> it is my fault for not following those discussions a little more closely
[06:59] <JuJuBee> yuriy : passwd looks fine...
[07:01] <yuriy> JuJuBee: that's the only thing i can think of.  would you mind pastebinning it?
[07:03] <JuJuBee> The passwd file?
[07:03] <yuriy> yeah
[07:03] <JuJuBee> give me a min...
[07:05] <Daskreech> yuriy: that's so cool :)
[07:06] <yuriy> Daskreech: hmm?
[07:07] <JuJuBee> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23290
[07:07] <Daskreech> you can pastebin something called the passwd file and your system is still secure
[07:07] <Daskreech>  *hugs UNIX*
[07:07] <yuriy> oh, yeah :)
[07:08] <yuriy> JuJuBee: the last line in there
[07:08] <yuriy> can't imagine how it got there, but delete that line and you should be fine
[07:08] <JuJuBee> Im using NIS for student logins.
[07:08] <JuJuBee> Has been there since I installed feisty and nis from getgo
[07:09] <yuriy> and userconfig worked before? looks to me like it would definitely choke on that. if that's valid, then that would be a bug in userconfig, unless i'm missing something
[07:09] <JuJuBee> Yes, worked before...
[07:10] <xerosis> are koepte bugs filed against kdenetwork?
[07:10] <fdoving> JuJuBee: if you edit passwd, make sure to use 'vipw' to do so. it does some checks before actually replacing the file.
[07:10] <yuriy> xerosis: yes
[07:11] <JuJuBee> Oh, I been using pico or kedit...
[07:11] <xerosis> yuriy: how come it lets you file them against kopete?
[07:11] <yuriy> xerosis: for earlier releases i think.. unless it changed again
[07:11] <fdoving> xerosis: there once was a separate source-package named kopete.
[07:11] <JuJuBee> I don't know how to use vi
[07:12] <xerosis> ah ok, makes sense
[07:12] <fdoving> JuJuBee: it doesn't use vi, it uses your preferred editor, set by the update-alternatives resouce 'editor' (nano on ubuntu systems by default).
[07:12] <fdoving> vim on my system :)
[07:12] <JuJuBee> OK
[07:13] <Daskreech> emacs :-)
[07:14] <JuJuBee> OK,I removed the line with +:::::: from the end of /etc/passwd and tried kcontrol and still same behavior.  When it opens and I click on User Management, I get the same thing on the right as I do when I open kcontrol.
[07:15] <yuriy> JuJuBee: how about when you run userconfig?
[07:16] <JuJuBee> Same as before, bunch of errors about kde-guidance
[07:16] <fdoving> JuJuBee: might want to check out 'vipw -s' to edit the shadow file, might have an bogus entry aswell.
[07:16] <yuriy> JuJuBee: same errors, including the one with self._uid = int(self._uid) ValueError
[07:16] <yuriy> ?
[07:17] <JuJuBee> Not uid, gid...
[07:17] <yuriy> oh, interesting
[07:17] <fdoving> is the error some where on a pastebin or something ?
[07:18] <yuriy> fdoving: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23115/
[07:18] <JuJuBee> Thanks, was just about to
[07:19] <fdoving> that is feisty?
[07:19] <JuJuBee> BRB : fire drill
[07:19] <yuriy> JuJuBee:can you paste the new error? is it gid at line 1019 or somewhere else?
[07:39] <JuJuBee> Well, thats a problem.  I removed the last line from /etc/group (+:::) as well as passwd and now it works.
[07:39] <JuJuBee> This will cause a problem for NIS as I understand it.
[07:40] <JuJuBee> yuriy : still want the paste?
[07:44] <Lure> Riddell: eqonomize sync requested - bug 117805
[07:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117805 in eqonomize "sync eqonomize 0.4-1 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117805
[07:44] <Riddell> nice
[07:45] <Lure> Riddell: if orig.gz is same, then sync should be ok for -manual, right?
[07:45] <Riddell> Lure: sure
[07:46] <Riddell> so long as md5sums match
[07:49] <JuJuBee> Now what do I do about using NIS?  NIS needs the +:::::: at the end of /etc/passwd and +::: at the end of /etc/group
[07:50] <Riddell> JuJuBee: so the problem is caused by the NIS line?
[07:51] <JuJuBee> Seem that way. I removed those lines and now userconfig and user management work fine.
[07:51] <Riddell> JuJuBee: ah well, that'll be a bug then :)
[07:52] <JuJuBee> I Kinda need NIS...
[07:52] <JuJuBee> Sucks for me ...
[07:53] <fdoving> write a patch then.
[07:53] <JuJuBee> Way beyond me...
[07:53] <fdoving> is that line always at the end of the file?
[07:54] <JuJuBee> Yes.
[07:54] <fdoving> can't be that hard to make userconfig ignore the last line.
[07:55] <JuJuBee> Where is the source for userconfig ?
[07:55] <fdoving> apt-get source it.
[07:57] <Riddell> kde-guidance
[07:57] <Riddell> trunk is in KDE SVN
[07:59] <JuJuBee> when I apt-get -d source kde-guidance, where is it stored?
[08:00] <Jucato> current directory (-d is redundant)
[08:00] <JuJuBee> found it
[08:00] <JuJuBee> what is the .dsc file?
[08:04] <Riddell> JuJuBee: description.  dpkg-source -x *dsc  will extract the package
[08:05] <Riddell> JuJuBee: although you are probably better off not worrying about building the package and just editing the /usr/bin/userconfig file
[08:11] <Lure> Riddell: digikam 0.9.2beta2 is in debian - will work on merge
[08:11] <Lure> Riddell: will need you to sponsor upload
[08:12] <Daskreech> hunger: Hey
[08:13] <Riddell> Lure: can do
[08:13] <Riddell> glatzor: do you have the patch for displayconfig backend?
[08:14] <glatzor> Riddell: which one?
[08:14] <Riddell> glatzor: all of them :)
[08:15] <glatzor> I keep my patches in the patches folder of the displayconfig-gtk source repository
[08:15] <Riddell> glatzor: I'm splitting guidance package into guidance-backend
[08:15] <glatzor> Riddell: Cool!
[08:15] <glatzor> Riddell: pitti has got a patch to use tabs instead of spaces in the backend
[08:16] <glatzor> since ubuntu uses tabs for the indention
[08:16] <glatzor> https://code.launchpad.net/~displayconfig-gtk/displayconfig-gtk/ubuntu
[08:16] <Riddell> got it
[08:22] <fdoving> Riddell: did you consider dropping the tabs in system settings and display everything on the first page?
[08:23] <Riddell> fdoving: tab tabs or the things down the side?
[08:24] <Riddell> can't say we have
[08:24] <fdoving> Riddell: remove the "general" and "advanced" options.
[08:24] <Riddell> oh, well, we only added them in edgy
[08:25] <fdoving> ok, I hope they disappear in gutsy :)
[08:27] <Daskreech> I just want two things
[08:27] <Daskreech> To be able to navigate by keyboard
[08:28] <Daskreech> (very annoying to try and configure the mouse when there is no mouse)
[08:28] <Daskreech>  and when you search for something tab only goes through the ones highlighted
[08:34] <jovans> i am going now to testing gutsy i have burned the alternate cd one questing are there problem using a few feisty packages on gutsy or generally no problem?
[08:35] <Riddell> they may not install
[08:37] <jovans> so fesity packages not work on gutsy too diferent or what u mean?
[08:38] <Lure> Riddell: ups, we need libkdcraw MIR first for digikam
[08:38] <Lure> Riddell: this is just extracted code from digima
[08:38] <Lure> Riddell: this is just extracted code from digikam
[08:38] <Riddell> bother
[08:39] <xerosis> i can't seem to find the bug relating to scripts not working in mounted drives, am i going mad?
[08:39] <Lure> Riddell: will do, and libexiv2 0.14 needs to pass NEW
[08:46] <jjesse> wow only 475 packages upgraded in a feisty -> gutsy move :)
[08:48] <nixternal> jjesse: we are still young yet
[08:48] <jjesse> yeah i know, i just thought it would be more
[08:53] <jovans> so i have tried to install the gutsy daily alternate cd for testing only but don't works  there are difference betwenn modules in the kernel that is load at start and in the pool tree
[08:53] <jovans> so
[08:54] <nixternal> ya, don't expect the CDs to work for a bit yet...they aren't getting love and probably won't until we prepare for our first pre-release
[09:00] <marseillai> Riddell: a question. Is it a good way to merge to take the debian package and adapt it to include what ubuntu packages has as improvment ?
[09:28] <Riddell> marseillai: that what I usually do
[09:28] <marseillai> oki
[09:28] <marseillai> so normally i should have finish merging k3b this afternoon
[09:28] <Daskreech> jovans: do a feisty install and dist-upgrade
[09:29] <nixternal> Riddell: going to have a hell of a time trying to get a double license w/o any solid evidence of needing it
[09:30] <Daskreech> Hmm
[09:30] <Daskreech> what does alt+<- do in Kopete?
[09:40] <Lure_> Riddell: can you review? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLibKdcraw
[09:40] <Lure_> marseillai: I am currently working on digikam merge (have seen your bug)
[09:41] <marseillai> Lure_: for what i've seen there are no regression with digikam but i'm not sure
[09:41] <marseillai> if it was me i would have just change changelog
[09:41] <marseillai> but as i just sayed i'm absolutly not sure
[09:41] <marseillai> and i would be happy to see your debdiff when it's done Lure_
[09:42] <Lure_> marseillai: it is only one Depends and one additional patch (which I will commit to KDE svn now, so we get it in final)
[09:42] <Lure_> marseillai: will let you know
[09:42] <Lure_> marseillai: I will also include one post-Beta2 fix from svn
[09:46] <Daskreech> anyone heard of LINA?
[09:46] <Riddell> Lure_: looks fine
[09:46] <Lure_> Riddell: thanks for review
[09:47] <Riddell> Lure_: although now I think about it, it's possible they'll be happy to just put it into main since it was previously part of another package in main
[09:48] <jovans> so dist-upgrade not works
[09:48] <Lure_> Riddell: yep, I will ping pitti tommorow and buildd-admin (as we need to get exiv2 and libkdcraw past NEW)
[09:49] <jovans> i dont know hy the error message "U are not allowd to upgrade to gutsy because u are using a newer version than 7.10"
[09:49] <jovans> what is that?
[09:49] <jovans> hm
[09:50] <Riddell> Lure_: you want ubuntu-archive not buildd-admin
[09:50] <jovans> lsb_release says as follows:
[09:50] <jovans> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[09:50] <jovans> Description:    Ubuntu 8.04
[09:50] <jovans> Release:        7.04 Pre
[09:50] <jovans> Codename:       feisty
[09:50] <Lure_> Riddell: right, I need buildd-admin for strigiapplet give-back ;-)
[09:51] <jovans> what i have for a release?
[10:09] <Daskreech> jovans: How .. blast!
[10:22] <Lure_> marseillai: this should be digikam merge debdiff: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/digikam/digikam-debian.debdiff
[10:22] <Lure_> marseillai: you can ignore last patch (that is additional fix from KDE SVN)
[10:25] <ryanakca> Lure_: pitty :(
[10:25] <marseillai> lure oki i look this and try to understand what you've done! i'm not very good at merging
[10:27] <Lure> marseillai: best is to start with debian package and understand ubuntu differences and re-apply if they still make sense
[10:27] <Lure> marseillai: in this particular case, quite some ubuntu changes were included either in KDE SVN or by debian
[10:27] <marseillai> where i have some problem is when ubuntu package is base on upstream and not on debian package
[10:28] <mhb> I just wondered ... can't we do a simple k3b mp3 codecs install dialog as we do for amarok?
[10:28] <Lure> marseillai: digikam is not such case, as we are pretty alligned - allee does most work on both sides ;-)
[10:28] <Lure> marseillai: but sometimes we are just faster then debian (due to freezes and similar)
[10:29] <Lure> Riddell: merged digikam sources are here: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/digikam/
[10:29] <Lure> I have build them locally (you need to apt-get source exiv2 libkdcraw and compile + install)
[10:30] <Lure> just to satisfy build-dep (they are in binary NEW queue)
[10:30] <Lure> Riddell: I think you can upload, it will just bi in "Dependancy Wait" state until we get NEW accept + MIR approved
[10:41] <ryanakca> Should I add to tomorrow's agenda a poll to see if people are still interested in the eGroupWare server I offered to setup?
[10:41] <ryanakca> or just assume that they are :P
[10:43] <mhb> ryanakca: you can use the time to set it up, instead :o)
[10:46] <ryanakca> mhb: elmo said he'd look into a groupware.kubuntu.org, but no garantees... I'm just waiting to see if it's a yes or a no...
[10:51] <glatzor> Riddell: could you patch the backend to use the MonitorsDB from hwdata and the pci table (pci.ids) from pciutils?
[10:52] <glatzor> glatzor: Currently the data gets shipped twice
[11:07] <marseillai> Lure: did you look at my debdiff for digikam ?
[11:08] <Lure> marseillai: yep, but it had bunch of translation diffs which were wrongly put in by MoM
[11:08] <marseillai> Lure: i added a second one
[11:08] <marseillai> without this
[11:09] <Lure> marseillai: bug id?
[11:09] <marseillai> the same
[11:09] <marseillai> wait
[11:09] <marseillai> Lure: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/117457
[11:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117457 in digikam "sync digikam from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[11:10] <Lure> marseillai: digikam-svn-r649833.diff is already included in original package
[11:11] <Lure> marseillai: and 11-add-service-menu-translations.diff had to be reworked as it did not apply
[11:11] <Lure> marseillai: did you try to build package?
[11:11] <marseillai> i must tell that no
[11:11] <marseillai> i didn't
[11:12] <Lure> marseillai: you should always try to build in chroot/pbuilder before requesting sync
[11:12] <marseillai> oki now i know
[11:12] <Lure> marseillai: you do not want to get a blush after the build on build farm fails ;-)
[11:12] <Lure> marseillai: np, we all went through that ;-)
[11:16] <Lure> marseillai: it depends - some merges are simple, some are pain-in-the-xxx
[11:19] <Riddell> Lure: looking at digikam
[11:25] <Lure> Riddell: btw, we will have some transition issues though with other photo apps
[11:26] <Lure> Riddell: due to exiv2 change from 0.12 -> 0.14
[11:26] <Riddell> Lure: uploading
[11:26] <Lure> Riddell:  we will have to re-upload several apps to pick up new version
[11:26] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[11:26] <Lure> Riddell: I will upload digikam-doc (universe) soon
[11:30] <ScottK> Lure: Why is digikam-doc still in universe when digikam is in main?  That seems odd to me...
[11:31] <Lure> ScottK: agree
[11:31] <Lure> ScottK: do you want to write MIR?
[11:31] <Lure> ;-)
[11:31] <ScottK> Maybe.
[11:31] <ScottK> No promises
[11:31] <Lure> ScottK: it should be easy ;-)
[11:31] <Lure> emphasis on "should" ;-)
[11:32] <Riddell> remember that our DVD was oversized for feisty
[11:32] <ScottK> Not everything in Main goes on the DVD does it?
[11:32] <Lure> Riddell: really?
[11:33] <Lure> Riddell: I recall couple of releases back we had 1 GB left or similar...
[11:33] <Riddell> Lure: I had to remove a bunch of things like linux-debug
[11:33] <Riddell> ScottK: just kubuntu desktop and supported seeds
[11:33] <Riddell> and those below
[11:48] <Lure> Riddell: we will need to retire digikamimageplugins (now part of digikam) - who does that?
[11:49] <Lure> Riddell: will merge kipi-plugins now
[11:51] <Riddell> Lure: file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[11:52] <Lure> Riddell: will do that as soon digikam is built and in archives
[12:15] <Lure> Riddell: kipi-plugins need sync - can you approve bug 117858
[12:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117858 in kipi-plugins "sync kipi-plugins 0.1.3-5 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117858