[03:30] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[03:36] <jml> mpt: :D
[05:35] <Hobbsee> bah.  i still hate the way that launchpad handles the kde bugtracker.  i should really file a bug
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #117677 in soyuz "PPA uploads appear equal to normal uploads in distro `Latest Uploads' listing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117677
[06:20] <Hobbsee> what????
[06:20] <Hobbsee> there's no duplicate bug header.
[06:54] <mpt> Hobbsee, did you report the bug about the KDE bugtracker?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> mpt: no.  i've been trying to figure out where it's getting that info - if it's a pebkac error, and just unclear, or what
[06:55] <mpt> Common pebkac error = interface design error
[06:56] <Hobbsee> true that
[06:56] <Hobbsee> there's only one upstream bugtracker for kde, so there's no need for a kdebase contact, kdepim, and whatever else - which is still missing some packages anyway
[06:57] <mpt> What's a "kdebase contact"?
[06:57] <Hobbsee> nfi
[06:57] <Hobbsee> upstream for kdebase
[06:58] <Hobbsee> ah ha!  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/85303/+add-affected-product?field.product=kdebase is correct
[06:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 85303 in kdebase "No warning before reboot, when harddrive full" [High,Confirmed]  
[06:58] <Hobbsee> just why cant we do that for all kde packages, easily?
[06:59] <Hobbsee> that's the way it's supposed to work
[06:59] <Hobbsee> although, then https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdebase/+bugs is created, which is odd.  kdebase upstream is not using launchpad to track it's bugs
[07:09] <Hobbsee> mpt: i'm slightly hesitant to report a bug until i figure out what it's actually trying to do
[07:11] <mpt> That page should have a disclaimer saying something like "These are only bug reports that Launchpad tracks because of their relationship to bug reports on software that uses Launchpad for bug tracking. See _KDE's bug tracker_ for a complete list of bugs in upstream kdebase."
[07:11] <mpt> or something much less wordy than that.
[07:12] <Hobbsee> i'm more wanting to know why there isnt a kde project or something that means you can just "mark as upstream", pick kde, not kdebase, or whatever k* looks interesting, and add the URL.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> mpt: but something like that'd be good.  mind you, it's hard to find that page anyway.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> i think a list of all kde upstream bugs might not be so bad anyway.  *shrug*
[08:56] <SteveA> morning!
[09:39] <dholbach> good morning
[09:39] <dholbach> can somebody take care of https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/6626 ?
[09:55] <carlos> morning
[11:53] <dholbach> can somebody take care of https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/6626 ?
[11:55] <mrevell> dholbach: I'll mail salgado, I think he's the person who could do that.
[11:55] <dholbach> alrighty
[11:55] <dholbach> thanks mrevell
[11:55] <mrevell> dholbach: np :)
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #117723 in soyuz "override generation broken for gutsy" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117723
[02:17] <jam-laptop> hi all. Does anyone know how to clear out spam from the Q&A section?
[02:17] <jam-laptop> https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr/+question/7363
[02:17] <jam-laptop> seems to have a lot of port spam
[02:17] <jam-laptop> porn spam
[02:18] <jam-laptop> Originally, they had put it in an edited form of the original question
[02:18] <jam-laptop> but they seem to have gone for a comment
[02:18] <jam-laptop> which needs to be removed
[02:18] <jam-laptop> and probably the user needs to be banned
[02:21] <kiko> jam-laptop, I'll talk to tom about it.
[02:21] <jam-laptop> kiko: thanks
[02:22] <vorian> how do you "run update" on a bzr branch?
[02:22] <jam-laptop> 'bzr update path/to/branch"
[02:22] <vorian> ty jam-laptop :)
[02:36] <ubotu> New bug: #117741 in launchpad "need ability to flag and hide off-topic comments" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117741
[03:01] <siretart> cprov: excuse me, https://dogfood.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/ffmpeg/3:0.svn20070525-0ubuntu1~ppa3 is broken, and I think it should show my ppa upload
[03:01] <siretart> hi Hobbsee 
[03:01] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:02] <cprov> siretart: just a second and I will check that for you
[03:02] <cprov> siretart: pages should not work for ppa
[03:03] <siretart> cprov: well, then they shouldn't be linked from https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~siretart/+packages
[03:03] <siretart> cprov: is there any way to see a list of packages, along with their build logs from some page in launchpad/
[03:03] <cprov> siretart: yes, they should not
[03:03] <siretart> ?
[03:04] <cprov> siretart: not yet, no UI for PPA other than the builder history and spread build records
[03:05] <cprov> siretart: sorry for that, I thought I was clear about the current lack of specific UI for PPAs
[03:05] <siretart> cprov: no problem
[03:05] <siretart> cprov: can you remove packages from my ppa for me?
[03:06] <cprov> siretart: only if you say that it's mandatory ;) 
[03:07] <cprov> siretart: right now, it's quite time consuming (I'm still working on the script or removals)
[03:08] <siretart> no, its just that I made a mistake, and I don't want to update ffmpeg to 20070525, but stay at 20070303 for now. it would be great if I could test it in my ppa
[03:08] <siretart> cprov: no problem, leave it. would be great if you could ping me if you want to test your removal script when you get to it ;)
[03:09] <cprov> siretart: sure, will do
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #117752 in malone "Any logged in user can delete any attachments" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117752
[04:01] <BjornT> time for this week's non-au reviewer meeting
[04:01] <BjornT> == Agenda ==
[04:01] <BjornT>  * Roll call
[04:01] <BjornT>  * Next meeting
[04:01] <BjornT>  * Queue status
[04:01] <BjornT>  * Other business
[04:01] <BjornT> who's here?
[04:01] <flacoste> me<
[04:01] <bac> me
[04:02] <salgado> me
[04:02] <statik> me
[04:03] <flacoste> barry: ping
[04:03] <BjornT> barry might still be on the phone with sabdfl 
[04:04] <BjornT> == Next meeting ==
[04:05] <BjornT> next meeting will be 2007-06-06 at 1400 UTC as usual.
[04:06] <BjornT> == Queue status ==
[04:07] <BjornT> there are 13 (same as last week) open reviews, 6 of them are slightly over the 2 day service target.
[04:07] <BjornT> SteveA: you still have mpt's text-change branch in your queue, which is more than one month old.
[04:07] <flacoste> and one of those is unassigned
[04:08] <BjornT> oh, right, that's the one statik rejected.
[04:08] <BjornT> i'll re-assign it after the meeting.
[04:09] <BjornT> overall the queue doesn't look too bad, though, but please review your branches soon salgado and barry 
[04:10] <BjornT> == Other business ==
[04:10] <BjornT> anything else?
[04:10] <salgado> I'll do mine today
[04:10] <BjornT> thanks salgado 
[04:11] <BjornT> ok, that's it, short meeting today. meeting ended.
[04:11] <BjornT> thanks for coming!
[04:11] <salgado> thanks BjornT 
[04:12] <statik> thanks BjornT
[04:16] <barry> just got off the phone w/sabdfl.  i'll review my branch today.
[05:17] <bdmurray> bug 92488 seems to have gotten some spam
[05:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92488 in Ubuntu "Lost USB Cable Modem Detection After Dapper" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92488 - Assigned to Brian Murray (brian-murray)
[05:18] <bdmurray> but the user account seems / was okay at one point
[05:36] <jam-laptop> mthaddon: ping
[05:37] <mthaddon> jam-laptop: pong
[05:37] <jam-laptop> mthaddon: thanks for deleting the spam. I was just curious what the standard procedure for that sort of thing is
[05:38] <mthaddon> at the moment, notifying admins will get spam comments deleted, but we're working on a better infrastructure for this...
[05:38] <jam-laptop> k
[05:49] <SteveA> mthaddon: I'd like to talk with you about writing some scripts to analyze the launchpad logs, and get the IP addresses used by the spammers, so we can consider banning those addresses
[05:50] <mthaddon> SteveA: sounds good - want to do that now or later/part of infra meeting?
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #117780 in soyuz "packages unnecessarily symlinked to other component" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117780
[05:51] <SteveA> mthaddon: tomorrow in the meeting please
[05:51] <mthaddon> great
[07:13] <salgado> flacoste_lunch, can you review https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/salgado/launchpad/bug-65488/full-diff for me today?
[07:39] <flacoste> salgado: no problem, what is the bug that this branch address?
[07:40] <salgado> bug 65488
[07:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 65488 in launchpad "Need a whiteboard for distribution mirrors" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65488 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[07:43] <flacoste> salgado: i have a few small things to finish first and i'll be on your review next, expect a reply later this afternoon
[07:43] <salgado> cool. thanks a lot, flacoste 
[08:38] <seb128> hey
[08:38] <seb128> kiko: around?
[08:38] <kiko> seb128, yeah
[08:38] <seb128> kiko: do you know what's going on with bugs nominated for gutsy and access control?
[08:39] <seb128> it's pretty frustrating to have people opening random ones and not been able to clean them
[08:39] <kiko> seb128, you can reject them, and drivers can deny nomination -- matsubara, can you chat a bit with seb128 to see what his concern is?
[08:40] <matsubara> seb128: do you have an example?
[08:42] <seb128> matsubara: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/117814
[08:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117814 in pidgin "upgrade pidgin to 2.0.1" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[08:42] <seb128> I used to have accept/deny next to the nomination text
[08:48] <BjornT> seb128: only drivers can accept/deny nominations atm, it has always been like that. you probably were in the driver team before.
[08:48] <BjornT> seb128: this will change in the next rollout, though; then all uploaders will get permission to accept/deny nominations.
[08:49] <seb128> BjornT: ok, thanks, that has been discussed on the list but I was not sure of what changes were planned now and for when
[09:06] <keescook> so, who is able to approve release nominations now?
[09:07] <matsubara> keescook: drivers only. according to BjornT that will change in the next release. Uploaders will get the permission as well
[09:08] <keescook> matsubara: since I do security updates for all the stable releases, it would be really handy if I could approve them too.
[09:08] <keescook> what is a "driver", and does it make sense for me to be one?
[09:09] <matsubara> keescook: as an workaround I think you could be added to the Ubuntu Drivers team
[09:10] <keescook> matsubara: okay, I will ask colin about it.  thanks!
[09:10] <matsubara> BjornT: is there a bug/spec where you're tracking "uploaders should get permission to approve nominations" work?
[09:11] <LaserJock> keescook: I think ubuntu-core-dev is a driver
[09:11] <keescook> LaserJock: doesn't seem to be :(  I can't approve nominations, anyway.
[09:11] <LaserJock> or at least they were, but seb128's comment makes me wonder if that's changed
[09:16] <seb128> keescook: that has been discussed on the distro list and will be fixed with next update
[09:16] <keescook> seb128: ah, what will the solution become?
[09:16] <seb128> keescook: that's annoying not only for security, only for people targetting bugs to fix for gutsy, SRU to do, etc
[09:16] <seb128> keescook: 
[09:16] <seb128> "<BjornT> seb128: only drivers can accept/deny nominations atm, it has always been like that. you probably were in the driver team before.
[09:16] <seb128>  seb128: this will change in the next rollout, though; then all uploaders will get permission to accept/deny nominations."
[09:17] <seb128> I asked like 10 minutes before you joined :p
[09:17] <keescook> Ah, I misunderstood what "uploaders" meant here.  I get it now.  thanks!
[09:19] <seb128> no problem ;)
[09:21] <ubotu> New bug: #117829 in soyuz "Allow PPA only for 'launchpad-beta-testers' members" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117829
[09:33] <BjornT> matsubara: although it's a bit misnamed maybe, this is the spec: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/malone/+spec/motu-bug-persmissions
[09:35] <matsubara> BjornT: thanks. Any plan to fix bug 114766 in this cycle as well?
[09:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114766 in malone "Only bug contacts should be able to nominate a bug for a release" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114766
[09:49] <kiko> matsubara, BjornT: I'm not even sure that makes sense
[09:56] <carlos> night!
[10:02] <Kmos> https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaCalculation
[10:03] <Kmos> it's normal help.launchpad.net don't check user authentication ?
[10:03] <Kmos> it says on top.. "Login"
[10:10] <kiko> Kmos, that's a separate site.
[10:10] <kiko> yes it's confusing
[10:11] <Kmos> ok
[10:23] <LaserJock> kiko: what version of launchpad is launchpad.net running now?
[10:23] <kiko> LaserJock, 1.1.5
[10:24] <LaserJock> oh really?
[10:24] <LaserJock> I thought it was older
[10:24] <LaserJock> and is beta. at 1.1.5 too or are they separate altogether
[10:25] <czr> is it possible to use launchpad to host the whole oss project?
[10:25] <czr> (sry for the stupid question, but I can't seem to find that info on the about-pages :-)
[10:30] <kiko> LaserJock, beta is frozen but I believe edge is auto-updating.
[10:35] <BjornT> matsubara: no, 114766 is not targeted for this cycle. i think it's better to see how the current system (after the next rollout) works. it might be that there's no need to fix that bug.
[10:36] <kiko> agreed
[10:39] <matsubara> BjornT: thanks. I'll add that to the report. it also answers the question I asked you there. :-)
[10:40] <LaserJock> cprov: how does PPA currently handle sending packages to different components, i.e. Universe, or does it?
[10:41] <cprov> LaserJock: it works exactly like the main soyuz, including ogre-model for building
[10:42] <cprov> LaserJock: so, you are probably going to need it at some point
[10:42] <mantiena> Hi all
[10:42] <cprov> LaserJock: have you uploaded new packages ?
[10:44] <matsubara> Kmos: bug 104848 seems fixed, btw
[10:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104848 in hwdb-client "Bad english translation on hwdb-client" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104848
[10:44] <matsubara> Kmos: nm me. just spotted the error.
[10:45] <Kmos> matsubara: i checked the translation and still there
[10:45] <matsubara> Kmos: yeah, my mistake. misread it
[10:46] <LaserJock> cprov: I just did that one with you on Monday
[10:47] <LaserJock> but it put it into Main, and I wondered how the PPAs will handle that
[10:47] <cprov> LaserJock: shame on you ;) 
[10:47] <LaserJock> currently aren't overrides used in the Ubuntu archives?
[10:48] <LaserJock> cprov: yes, I know. and it was a FTBFS too, I should fix that ;-)
[10:48] <Kmos> https://launchpad.net/products/ -> Sorry, you can't do this right now
[10:49] <cprov> LaserJock: yes, we use auto-override in ubuntu archive, but we also support proper rich sections syntax like 'universe/misc'
[10:49] <LaserJock> ah
[10:49] <mantiena> are there any launchpad admins ? There is a big problem, which makes another Ubuntu-based distros do not use launchopad for bugs, etc
[10:50] <LaserJock> cprov: I'll give it a try next upload
[10:50] <LaserJock> mantiena: I think it's helpful to explain your problem/question, then the appropriate people can respond
[10:50] <mantiena> I'm main developer of Ubuntu-based distro - Baltix and ~2 years ago I started to use launchpad for bugs and other task
[10:51] <mantiena> but more than one year I can't register new milestone or new release in launchpad for Baltix :(
[10:51] <cprov> LaserJock: great, thanks 
[10:52] <mantiena> look at https://launchpad.net/baltix/+milestones
[10:52] <mthaddon> Launchpad is down - issue with the DB server - currently working on it
[10:52] <mantiena> mthaddon: I'm talking not about this issue
[10:53] <mthaddon> mantiena: ok, I wasn't notifying just you...
[10:58] <kiko> mthaddon, garr
[11:03] <mantiena> I'm talking about forbiding to register new milestones/releases of other distros :(
[11:11] <mantiena> kiko: AFAIK you told me ~6 months ago, that maintainers of other distros will be able to use launchpad in this spring...
[11:11] <ubotu> New bug: #3158 in soyuz "policy needs extending to support > 1 binary build per upload" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3158
[11:11] <mthaddon> Launchpad is back up again - please let us know if there are any issues
[11:12] <pochu> mantiena: are you a driver for Baltix?
[11:17] <mantiena> pochu: yes
[11:18] <pochu> So you're Mantas... hi :)
[11:19] <mantiena> pochu: but problem is not only for Baltix - look at https://launchpad.net/distros - all distros, except Ubuntu don't have releases or milestones registered :(
[11:19] <mantiena> pochu: yes, hi ;)
[11:19] <pochu> mantiena: is there a bug report about it?
[11:20] <mantiena> pochu: I think so, you need the number ?
[11:21] <mantiena> pochu: btw, why you are asking my name ? You know me ?
[11:22] <pochu> mantiena: no, but there's just one Driver for Baltix, and maybe you thought you were a driver and you weren't... :)
[11:23] <mantiena> :)
[11:24] <mantiena> yea, it would be pretty strange situation if I think, that I'm a driver, but I aren't...
[11:27] <LaserJock> cprov: hmm, I uploaded a new package ~20 min ago but haven't gotten an email, package is plotdrop again
[11:28] <LaserJock> cprov: did the LP outage mess something up?
[11:28] <cprov> LaserJock: let me check
[11:28] <mantiena> so, it seems all launchpad admins are away ? :(
[11:30] <mantiena> cprov: do you get an "Forbiddent" error when go https://launchpad.net/baltix/+addrelease ?
[11:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[11:30] <mantiena> mpt: morning ? ;)
[11:31] <cprov> mantiena: Unauthorized, since I'm not Admin in that context
[11:31] <pochu> mantiena: Bug #58250
[11:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58250 in launchpad "Unofficial distribution releases should not be allowed to use milestones" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58250
[11:35] <mantiena> pochu: why this bug is unconfirmed ?
[11:36] <pochu> mantiena: because nobody has confirmed it :p
[11:36] <LaserJock> cprov: doh, rejected. is there a way to get that plotdrop package in my PPA removed? 
[11:37] <cprov> LaserJock: I'm working on the archive-maintenance scripts for PPA
[11:38] <cprov> LaserJock: i.e., not right now, neither quickly 
[11:38] <tormod> hi I am angry >:( My eyes are dead tired after reading minuscule text in light-gray on white background!
[11:38] <cprov> LaserJock: why was it rejected ?
[11:38] <tormod> this has been complained about since the "new" launchpad was pushed on us
[11:38] <tormod> what's the reason for not doing anything about it?
[11:39] <tormod> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/87471
[11:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87471 in launchpad "Grey text is unnecessarily difficult to read" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[11:42] <LaserJock> cprov: because I used a Debian version number on the first upload
[11:43] <LaserJock> cprov: since this is just messing around I'll just bump the version up so it's bigger than the first one ;-)
[11:44] <cprov> LaserJock: you could also use new epoch, but simply bumping the version will do too
[11:47] <LaserJock> cprov: it was just a -1 vs -0ubuntu1, I just made it -1ubuntu1
[11:49] <cprov> LaserJock: your PPA, your rules ;)
[11:49] <LaserJock> mwuahahaha
[11:49] <LaserJock> ^^ evil laugh
[11:50] <cprov> LaserJock: ehe