[12:29] <sid> RxDx: It's best to wait until October when it releases as stable. Otherwise you'll probably break your system and get angry.
[12:29] <RxDx> sure.. ill wait ;)
[12:29] <RxDx> thanks dude
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[12:32] <tritium> sid: why reboot?
[12:32] <sid> tritium: Because of the kernel changes?
[12:33] <tritium> sid: okay, that's fine.  Just making sure you know a dist-upgrade doesn't necessarily require a reboot
[12:33] <gnomefreak> sid: no kernel changes
[12:33] <gnomefreak> i had to install kernel by hand the other day
[12:33] <gnomefreak> i dont remember the meta being released
[12:34] <gnomefreak> udev changes will cause you to need to reboot
[12:34] <gnomefreak> hal and stuff liek that
[12:34] <gnomefreak> like
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[12:36] <sid> It did a generating initramfs-tools...
[12:36] <sid> So I figured I'd reboot. I needed to restart X anyway, so why not kill two birds with one stone.
[12:37] <sid> now let's see if DRI is enabled with dual monitors on this ATI 9100 card
[12:37] <sid> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[12:37] <sid> heh, it's still not enabled, but at least the latest xorg gives me more clues.
[12:39] <cps1966> if you want eyecandy buy a ps3
[12:40] <sid> no, my goal isn't eye candy
[12:40] <sid> some ati bug with dual monitors, and you need to use mergefb and other stuff, but it still won't work right.
[12:40] <gnomefreak> sid: the ati drivers havent changed
[12:40] <sid> But there are fixes in the latest xorg trunk.
[12:40] <sid> (which hasn't changed in gutsy)
[12:41] <sid> 7.3 will release in august
[12:41] <cps1966> you should be shot for using ati
[12:41] <tritium> uh, no
[12:42] <sid> cps1966: I'm using the "ati" driver from xorg(radeon)
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[12:42] <sid> I'm not using fglrx.
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[12:42] <cps1966> so you should get a real card
[12:42] <tritium> cps1966: give it a rest
[12:43] <gnomefreak> cps1966: please stop now
[12:43] <gnomefreak> tritium: beat me to it
[12:43] <sid> cps1966: What is a real card?
[12:43] <gnomefreak> sid: please dont
[12:43] <sid> You mean open graphics project?(I plan on buying one of those)
[12:43] <gnomefreak> opinions mean nothing in here and shouldnt show up in here
[12:44] <cps1966> facts are facts and you cant change that
[12:44] <gnomefreak> cps1966: give it a rest now please
[12:44] <tritium> cps1966: you haven't stated _any_ facts.  Enough, now.
[12:46] <cps1966> thats why hardware venders get away with there shit because you guys dont stand your ground
[12:46] <PriceChild> cps1966, calm down please :)
[12:47] <sid> cps1966: I stand my ground. I don't buy ATI or Nvidia. new machines I get Intel 950 graphics chipset
[12:48] <sid> This ATI card is 5 years old, before I knew they were selling me a card and not telling me how it works.(memory registers etc0
[12:48] <sid> While Intel doesn't tell you how it works either, they at least provide free/libre drivers.
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[12:48] <sid> Although my particular card, they did give most documentation for it and how it works.
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[12:48] <cps1966> you buy a linux certified machine
[12:48] <sid> But this is only because it's an older ATI card, the new ones they obviously don't give out docs.
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[12:50] <cps1966> that is if you intend to use linux
[12:50] <tritium> You can buy whatever you choose to.
[12:50] <gnomefreak> cps1966: stop with the opinions now
[12:50] <sid> So really.. my card is probably the most free card on the market.
[12:50] <sid> I don't think you could buy a better graphic chipset than a 9100.
[12:51] <sid> if your goal is freedom that is
[12:51] <crdlb> the 9250 :)
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[12:51] <sid> My chipset is more free than all the Intel chipsets, since there is full hardware documentation for it.
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[12:52] <pwnguin> speaking of freedom
[12:52] <crdlb> sid, are you trying to get it working?
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[12:52] <cps1966> gnomefreak:  what the hell is the difference noone saying anything anyway
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[12:52] <pwnguin> what happened to the gnewsense in ubuntu thing?
[12:52] <gnomefreak> cps1966: you are muted for ignoring the warnings that were given to you.
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[12:53] <gnomefreak> cps1966: it will last for 10 minutes please take this time to get it out of your system.
[12:54] <gnomefreak> pwnguin: its not officially a ubuntu derivitive speak to ompaul about it he should know more
[12:54] <pwnguin> gnomefreak: i spoke with paul
[12:54] <gnomefreak> pwnguin: he is founder he would know about it. it doesnt belong in this channel
[12:54] <pwnguin> what i meant was, the gutsy announcement talked about an official ubuntu thing
[12:54] <sid> crdlb: yea, I'll have to use mergedfgb
[12:55] <sid> pwnguin: They are being folded into official Ubuntu I believe. iirc
[12:55] <pwnguin> sid: ompaul doesnt seem to think so
[12:55] <pwnguin> which is why i asked him about it
[12:55] <sid> pwnguin: There will be a 100% free version of Ubuntu made in part from the Gnewsense guys.
[12:55] <sid> pwnguin: Well according to Mark Shuttleworth's blog this is how it will be. iirc
[12:56] <pwnguin> sid: right, well, i didnt see a gutsy target so i followd up on the blog article
[12:56] <gnomefreak> !offtopic | sid pwnguin
[12:56] <ubotu> sid pwnguin: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[12:56] <pwnguin> what?
[12:56] <pwnguin> how is an announced goal of gutsy offtopic?
[12:56] <sid> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/date/2007/02/ "we have restarted the effort to produce a flavour of Ubuntu that includes no proprietary drivers or firmware at all. In fact, this flavour will take an ultra-conservative approach to all forms of content on the .iso, whether that be artistic or code."
[12:57] <gnomefreak> pwnguin: what does it have to do with gutsy support at all?
[12:59] <pwnguin> gnomefreak: its hard to file bug reports if you dont know where to get it from
[12:59] <gnomefreak> pwnguin: you file a bug against it out side of official ubuntu bug tracker. where ever they set thier bug tracker up
[01:00] <gnomefreak> or if a spec or a wish list file it under ubuntu in LP
[01:00] <pwnguin> thats the thing, i havent seen a spec or blueprint for it. i was wondering who and how it was being done
[01:01] <gnomefreak> than talk to ompaul about it or make one but it does not belong in here
[01:01] <pwnguin> ompaul suggested he talked with the ubuntu people, and that's the extent of his involvement
[01:01] <pwnguin> fine
[01:02] <pwnguin> its clearly not being supported by ubuntu officially. thats good enough information for the moment to me.
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[03:47] <r00tintheb0x> wow @ http://www.getdeb.net/
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[04:33] <Dana1> I figured something out:
[04:34] <Hobbsee> oh?
[04:34] <Dana1> The 2.6.22 kernels have broken suspend for me, but suspend still works with the 2.6.20 kernel.
[04:34] <Dana1> So the bug there must be in the kernel.
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[04:34] <DanaG> In about 2 weeks, I will be done with this quarter; so then I'll pay more attention to reporting the bugs.
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[04:37] <crimsun> wonder which suspend method is being used.
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[04:39] <DanaG> I think I have gone back to the default (i.e. not uswsusp or hibernate or powersaved).
[04:39] <DanaG> Though I disabled the 3 video-related things in /etc/default/acpi-support -- save vbe state, post video, save video PCI state.
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[04:42] <DanaG> Another bug I need to file is  about and brightness control: gnome-power-manager tries to fade the screen, but instead it makes the screen go bright-off-medium-off-dim (and it went off again until I manually fixed the gconf setting).
[04:43] <DanaG> It seems like it's trying to set brightness in increments of 1, while my BIOS only allows discrete steps of 12 or 13.
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[04:49] <DanaG> Oh, for some reason my iAudio6 shows up as a USB Mass Storage device even when I have it in MTP mode.
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[05:07] <DanaG> Hmm, unknown symbol in libhunspell.
[05:08] <DanaG> /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libspell680li.so: undefined symbol:_ZN8Hunspell5spellEPKc
[05:08] <DanaG> I'll have to boot Windows to work on the document, then.  Fine by me -- such is the nature of an alpha OS.
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[07:07] <jibberish> how does one copy text with keyboard? ctrl v pastes fine, ctrl +shift+c doesnt copy for me or ctrl +c, i have to use mouse
[07:11] <jibberish> how does one copy text with keyboard? ctrl v pastes fine, ctrl +shift+c doesnt copy for me or ctrl +c, i have to use mouse
[07:16] <jibberish> does anyone know the command to copy just text? i know cp is copy file
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[10:28] <edgy> Hi, I am reading in Accelerated C++ and it uses #include <string> but if I omit it still I can define std::string so the header is not needed?
[10:28] <crimsun> you should include it if you use it.
[10:29] <crimsun> don't count on non-conformant (or "less"-conformant) compilers fudging for you
[10:32] <edgy> crimsun: so there is nothing like string is already include in another header (iostream e.g) already?
[10:32] <crimsun> iostream definitely does not include string, no.
[10:35] <edgy> crimsun: so g++ is not conformant to standard in this aspect? won't this be  a bold claim?
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[10:36] <crimsun> edgy: huh?
[10:36] <crimsun> edgy: no, the point is that you _should_ include string if you use it.
[10:37] <crimsun> don't count on things like Visual Studio or Visual C++
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[10:38] <edgy> crimsun: ok thx a lot. btw do you believe that I though I am on #c++? ;) It's just strange that you replied to me in #ubuntu+1 and didn't send me away
[10:39] <crimsun> well it's certainly off-topic, true.
[10:42] <_4strO> yop yop
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[11:49] <spheard> hey has anyone had a problem with firefox on kde? when I click links it does all the loadin stuff but doesnt display the new page, Its driving me to distraction, refreshing the page has no effect
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[11:50] <sivaji> spheard try run u r browser from console and see what error u get
[11:50] <sivaji> to
[11:51] <spheard> sivaji:kdesu?
[11:51] <mikkael> spheard: getswiftfox.com :)
[11:51] <mikkael> nope, just run "firefox"
[11:51] <mikkael> from a terminal
[11:52] <spheard> mikkael that works
[11:52] <spheard> no error
[11:52] <sivaji> open some web page
[11:53] <spheard> yep, http://getswiftfox.com/ looks nice
[11:55] <spheard> http://www.moonet.co.uk/
[11:55] <spheard> is this page serving properly
[11:56] <sivaji> ya
[11:56] <spheard> okay, this is odd. www.moonet.co.uk is the page that Im currently writing causes problems but google works fine
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[11:57] <sivaji> spheard what is u r problem
[11:57] <spheard> (10:49:12) spheard: hey has anyone had a problem with firefox on kde? when I click links it does all the loadin stuff but doesnt display the new page, Its driving me to distraction, refreshing the page has no effect
[11:58] <spheard> its a really odd intermittant error
[11:59] <gnomefreak> what page is giving you issues?
[11:59] <gnomefreak> 3 if you have 3
[12:00] <gnomefreak> also what version of ubuntu and firefox are you using?
[12:03] <spheard> gnomefreak: ubuntu 6.10, firefox 2.0.0.4. www.moonet.co.uk, www.akiratech.com and various other sites. Everything works fine in konqueror.
[12:03] <gnomefreak> spheard: please join #ubuntu-mozillateam and ill look at these sites in the mean time
[12:04] <spheard> gnomefreak: thanks!!
[12:04] <sivaji> spheard better u reinstall it
[12:04] <gnomefreak> sivaji: not accurate
[12:05] <spheard> I have done in the past, Ive had this problem on and off for ages
[12:05] <spheard> a reboot usually fixes it
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[12:05] <sivaji> gnomefreak what else can be done tell me
[12:05] <spheard> usually
[12:06] <gnomefreak> sivaji: as soon as i have something to test it against i will let you know but im one of the devels for ubuntu mozilla
[12:06] <spheard> gnomefreak: oh thank god
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:Hobbsee] : The In Development Version Channel | Please ***don't*** run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependancies, bug fixing and the like.  Things break, this is normal | Ubuntu 7.10 will be nicknamed the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape!
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[04:09] <pgoodall> Anyone seen kwii?
[04:12] <gnomefreak> kwwii?
[04:12] <gnomefreak> pgoodall: kwwii (kubuntu devel)?
[04:12] <_4str1> !seen kwwii
[04:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen kwwii - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:13] <pgoodall> gnomefreak: yea, kwii from kubuntu
[04:13] <gnomefreak> pgoodall: kwii or kwwii?
[04:14] <pgoodall> Might have his nick wrong... Ken Wimer
[04:14] <pgoodall> artist
[04:14] <gnomefreak> pgoodall: hes in #kubuntu-devel not talking atm
[04:14] <pgoodall> thx!
[04:14] <gnomefreak> yw
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[06:40] <MacSlow> Can somebody tell me how to create a core dump one can load with gdb under Ubuntu?
[06:40] <MacSlow> I only seem to find this (seemingly) uuencoded .crash files in /var/crash
[06:41] <MacSlow> but that's not directly usable by gdb
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[08:39] <luis_lopez> what version of ALSA is included in gutsy?
[08:45] <DanaG> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.14rc4 (Wed May 09 09:51:39 2007 UTC).
[08:45] <DanaG> Though I haven't booted the newer kernel.
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[11:44] <macogw> any chance of gutsy's installer being "smarter" about what it installs? its kind of ridiculous that it installs 30 graphics drivers when you lack that many graphics cards and that it sets it to start services (like bluetooth, in my case) for which you don't have hardware, by default.  changing it might require creating something that notices new hardware though
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[11:50] <llol> hello folks
[11:51] <llol> anyone in here today
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[11:55] <llol> is there anyway to shorten the password sizes
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