[03:08] nothlit, ok... I need your opinion on the mockup for the text entries (first mockup for glory, yay!). not that it was done really quick, so the contrast of light/shadow is off, but its approximate enough to get the general idea [03:08] http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/520599323/ === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nothlit [n=nothlit@fluxbuntu/developer/nothlit] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === andreasn [n=andreas@h125n2fls306o1003.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54957fe3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === andreasn [n=andreas@h125n2fls306o1003.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@CPE-58-168-254-25.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:02] hiya klepas [11:09] klepas, just a mockup, but working on/improving the actual pixmaps for the text-entries in roughly this style http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=520599323&size=o [11:09] whatcha think? [11:12] darkmatter: looks nice (although you didn't ask me) [11:13] beats the current one :) [11:13] i'm still using MorningGlory [11:13] darkmatter: I assume you [11:13] (when is that release coming?) [11:13] erm....I assume that you will put this in Gutsy? [11:15] i hope so :) [11:15] hopefully [11:15] working on it [11:15] darkmatter: in one of your screenshots i see a gnome menu in the middle of the screen (as if it were a xfce menu) [11:15] how did you do that? [11:16] http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=502007263&size=o [11:16] klepas, kwwii just trying to squash a few bugs atm... the majorityof the theme should be done by next week.. as in usable but not finl as far as tweaks go [11:17] klepas, ctrl+F1 [11:18] doesn't work for me? [11:18] maybe because of beryl? [11:19] darkmatter: killer, let me know if you need any help with packaging, etc. [11:19] maybe.. check the beryl setting [11:19] in the default gnome and in compiz ctrl+f1 pops up the main menu [11:19] kwwii, nice [11:20] I'll keep you at the top of the list :) [11:20] ;-) [11:21] kwwii, I think once I up the contrast on the shadows a bit the text-entries should be killer [11:22] then I can extend the "ouline this!!" motif across the rest of the shadows n widgets in general [11:22] feels more natural, lends a bit of dimension where before things seemed flat [11:23] plus its a little bit closer to photorealistic (and if I wasnt stuck drawing with a boulder it would be photorealistic) [11:23] damn mouse [11:23] darkmatter: yeah, the line could be a bit darker probably at least [11:26] kwwii, of course its just a mockup (I claned it up... the damn pixmap engine repeats the shadows (since entries like that are actually two entries) [11:26] so just gimped the bugger [11:26] ;-) [11:26] to see what it'd look like one it goes to code [11:26] roughly [11:26] that is the best way to start, especially with pixmap based stuff [11:26] yup [11:28] kwwii, basically, once the general feel is ironed out (almost there), I want to put it in engine form with all the bells n whistles.. full custom widget support for the panels (including bg gradients, etc).. and subtle yet lovely animations throughout [11:29] sounds sweet [11:29] like.. say a pulsating glowy line inside the text entry for focus... just an underline of the text [11:29] stuff like that [11:29] glow on the buttons [11:29] although I am pretty busy with artwork atm, please don't hesitate to ask for anything [11:30] nothing to dramatic [11:30] how are those done? [11:30] kk [11:30] the animations, I mean [11:30] are they hard coded or a series of bitmaps or a transition from one bitmap to another? [11:30] kwwii, I'll need to look at the code again.. kinda studying another engine that does them [11:31] cool [11:31] but I know with most its just a stepped translucency (not pixmap... just shade [11:32] though I may use a pixmap or two in engine once I get a good start on the code [11:33] right [11:33] have you ever coded anything like this before? [11:34] my first widget-theme was in gtk but that was about 8 years ago [11:34] not in a while, and not gtk or cairo.. I mean.. I've worked with gtk.. just not engines [11:35] right, same as me - only I haven't done it in a long time :-) [11:35] cairo is a must because of all the pretty drawing code [11:35] yeah, when we worked on clearLooks I realized how nifty it is [11:36] I can play around with general api and ui drawing well enough.. but an engine is a bit different [11:36] have you made a wiki page for this yet? [11:36] meh.. it'll come in time [11:37] yeah, might be better to wait until you have something in hand [11:37] nope.. just a bzr branch.. but hasnt been updated since I formatted and installed feisty [11:37] I'm hoping that we can get a few community based themes and such in Gutsy [11:37] in fact, I was kinda told by the boss to make sure it happens ;-) [11:37] I just want to finish the basics of this thing for next week, then I can start a wiki page [11:38] right, making a wiki page too early will only lead to confusing discussion [11:40] the idea is to really define a set of style guidelines.. basically redefine the ui themewise (nothing solid exists in that area yet). reduce visual cacophony to a minimum (one reason I'm not partial to clearlooks etc are the bold oulines, you want widgets distinct.. but not distracting) [11:41] also would *love* to push a real move for consistency in gnome [11:41] I think that the bold outlines just make it look old and it leads the eye too much [11:41] ala the way widgets are used [11:41] hehe, good luck on that [11:41] beleive me that kde has the same problems [11:42] it seems that oss developers love to use widgets in ways they were never intended [11:42] kwwii, I said I'd *love* too.. never said there was a chance in hell it'd fly though [11:42] kwwii, yup [11:42] ;-) [11:44] look at things like nautilus even... for all its "HIGiness", ots still crap... graphically inconsistent.. I mean.. at least use frames around the bloody sidepane/main if ya get the picture [11:45] just such small little tweaks/patches [11:45] but thing that users notice from the get-go [11:45] definitely [11:46] darkmatter: ah, like in thunar? [11:46] andreasn, yeah.. kinda [11:47] make the window non-flat [11:47] thunars widgets look great [11:47] helps distinguish things visually [11:47] should be pretty easy to fix probably, nautilus use glade, right? [11:48] I believe so [11:48] havent looked at the beasts code [11:49] kwwii, another crazyassed dream is to get devs to actually document the custom widgets n classes etc that an app uses [11:50] like that'll ever happen... -_- [11:50] lol, good luck [11:50] thats what really makes theming a pita [11:51] its pretty much a matter of experimenting till something finally works [11:52] yeah, that has been my experience [11:52] I have a 3000ish line gtkrc template already.. and it grows bigger every day [11:52] scary [11:52] the hardest thing is accepting that you are limited by all this stuff - makes the artwork side of it no-fun at all [11:53] yah [11:54] well, time for lunch....bbl [11:55] kwwii, like how I would love to do a seperate skin for the nautilus pathbar with breadcrumb style buttons... problem is.. though you can custom apply a skin to it.. it goes on the main toolbar too [11:55] bummer [11:55] ouch, yeah...that sucks [11:56] it would de-fatten nautilus nicely [11:56] anyway... go get yer lunch [11:57] thanks :-) see you in a bit === bersace [n=bersace@81.185.32.206] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PWill [n=paul@unaffiliated/pwill] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@60-242-104-119.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === dborg [n=daniel@e182055113.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@60-242-104-119.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === andreasn [n=andreas@h125n2fls306o1003.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bersace [n=bersace@81.185.32.206] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nothlit [n=nothlit@fluxbuntu/developer/nothlit] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === andreasn [n=andreas@h125n2fls306o1003.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork